The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - A Moment of Serene-ity

Episode Date: March 16, 2022

After a finale LIKE THAT… Ashley needs someone from the front lines to help break it all down, so Serene Russell is here to share her thoughts on Clayton’s finale. Why did Clayton break up with Gabby and Rachel in a group?? Just one of the many questions we have after last night. Serene shares the moment she realized that Clayton was not “her person”.And we look at Jesse Palmer’s future as the host of The Bachelor. Do we like him?? Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Get your tickets today. AXS.com. This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast with IHartRadio. Hi, everyone. Welcome to like the zillionth almost famous podcast this week because after this one, we have another one. So today, right now today, I'm with the beautiful serene. And then in a couple hours, I'm going to be with Clayton and Susie.

So stay tuned for that episode. But hello, Serene. Let's talk about this finale. After watching the past two weeks back, the two weeks that you weren't a part of in real life, what are your feelings about everything? Are you glad you were eliminated when you were? That's the million dollar question, right? Yeah.

I kind of left before everything hit the fan. And, you know, I was so sad and heartbroken at the time. And obviously time helped with that. But, yeah, I'm glad I wasn't there. When did you feel recovered from the heartbreak? You know, maybe like a month after I have left, a month and a half, I had a lot of time to reflect and think I'm a teacher. And so I didn't come back. teaching until the next semester started and so I had some time off okay well during your hometown everyone fell in love with your brother he's awesome there was like chance that we should have him be the next bachelor how did he take that last week two weeks ago oh my goodness he is like still so shocked with everything um he is just excited to be here he was last night he was with me last night too. So it's a whole new world.

I'm a little more used to it at this point than he is, but oh, it would be so fun. Okay. I'm going to plant an idea that's probably already in the producer's heads, but I want to put it out there to the public. Why don't you bring him to Bachelor in Paradise with you?

Like, I brought my sister to Bachelor in Paradise. It's been done before. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, he's a good time. He's a good time. She's like, yes, we're doing this. But also he's my brother. And so I'm like, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. But, you know, I'm trying to let him, like, live in his moment and have his own experiences, too. So you can have separate experiences in paradise. Right. Right. He's just my big brother. So I'm like, I don't want you to, like, see me kiss anyone. Yeah.

You know, I'm like behind the palm tree. Right. Exactly. Okay. Well, um, overall, how much. would you say your your bachelor experience has been and are you willing to do paradise uh yeah i actually had a really good experience you know aside from it being really hard leaving at the time um and feeling like i didn't have what i needed in that in those moments leaving um it ended up

being a really good experience i learned so much about myself yeah you know so many friends that you know we've gone through this crazy experience together. No one else really understands, like, what we just went through. And so we're all really tight-knit. So it was a wonderful experience. Would do it again. I honestly would love to go to Paradise. I am still, you know, single and still wanting to find my guy.

And, you know, there are some cuties out there. So I'm just hopeful and excited that I'll get to be there. You can't say there are some cuties without naming who you think is cute. Oh, God. Come on. See, I shot myself in the foot with that one. Yeah, I mean, there are multiple. It's just hard, though, because I'm so big on personality that I don't want to say anything

and then be, like, glued to it because I feel like, you know, I can think someone's, like, attractive and then meet them, and then it's just, like, not the vibe. You know what I mean? So big on, like, personalities. So it's, I don't know. It's kind of hard to say, but there are a couple. Okay. Well, that's a great way of getting out of answering that question.

I'll give you one more chance. Who do you think is cute? No, it's okay. I already put you on the spot. It's fine. It's fine. We'll find out soon enough, I'm sure, who you're into, who you ask the producers that you want to be there.

And there's a whole other season of guys that you'll get to choose from when you see your friends, Gabby and Rachel. become Bachelorette and then you'll get their quote quote rejects how okay how do you feel about Gabby and Rachel both being Bachelorette I need to give my little two cents on this ever since Caitlin and um in Britt were you know seven years ago both chosen to be bachelorette I thought this is how that season was going to go when I initially heard two bachelette so I was like oh okay they'll like date together it will be like oh a group date with Gabby a group date with Rachel that's very much the way that Joe Millionaire went this year. I wonder if they were inspired by that. Okay. So I was like, that sounds like a cool idea. And then they ended up having to choose, you know, between Caitlin and Brett. And then that was like not so cool. But ever since I had, you know, not just me, but like that idea was planted that two girls could date the group at the same time. I thought they should do that. So I'm really excited. And I think like Rachel and Gabby are both.

very likable. I think we would be sad for the other one if they didn't get the opportunity. So back to my question for you. How do you feel about your, I'm assuming two friends becoming the Bachelorette together? I love them both so much and I don't think that there was a better scenario like at all. I hadn't thought about the chance of there being two of them just because we had to last, the last two seasons. So I wasn't really sure, like, what that men or how was going to hear about it. But I'm so happy for both of them. They so deserve it.

They are both, like, the kindest, most funny women. They're going to be entertaining to watch. And, you know, I'm here for the love stories, too. Like, it's living in the house with them, I fell in love with them, you know. So I think it'll be so easy for the audience. audience to do the same for 30 men to do the same they're both incredible it is going to be so interesting to watch i wonder how it's going to work i did not watch joe millionaire but i've heard about it but you know i've seen the tweets of people being like that would be interesting um

and now it's happening so hmm do they have similar taste in men do we know their type outside of Clayton? You know, I think that they're so different in every way. Yeah, they really are. Both obviously dated Clayton. And so, and you know, they had, they were both really invested in their relationships with him. And so I think there might be a little bit of crossing over, but like they have the same type. I can already foresee it, Serena. They're going to both like one guy. He's going to, well, they're like going to be really invested in one guy and I'm sure like they'll each have like a couple you know individually but then there's going to be this one guy who both of them want to take to top three and then he's going to say I love them both yeah but like that's so it's crazy

to think though like are they going to have to pick like for hometowns like are the guys going to have to pick who they go with or can they go with both or like I'm sure they're going to kind of make it up as they go. Whatever is the most dramatic scenario, they'll probably go with. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Wild to think about. Crazyness. All right. So many. Seriously. So many. It's going to keep each week interesting. And I love that. We definitely need something fresh. I'm excited. I think they're going to get a boost in viewers because of it. Let's take a quick break. And we will go through this finale. Straight through.

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Let's start with Clayton talking to Susie. Basically, she comes to his room, or I guess Jesse comes to Susie's room and is like, so Clayton really wants to be with you, basically. And then she knocks on the door. She says hello quickly to his parents, pulls him aside, and that's when he's basically like, I'm going, I just want to be with you. I love you the most again, right? You know, I still love you the most. And then she's, he basically says in that moment, I'm going to dump the other girls because, like, I want to be with you. Even if it turns out that you don't want to be

with me, I'm going to like let you go and linger this over. And, yeah, but my decision's made. Like, it's you or nothing so then he goes and he breaks up with the other girls together what are your thoughts on this why does he do everything together why are all these big moments together i have to say like kately bristow and i were talking a little bit yesterday it just seems like you know the poor guy was very had no backbone with like production suggestions I have no clue because I never would have done that. And I know it's easy to say that, having not been in his shoes, but I just,

I can't imagine the scenario of breaking up with people in a group like that. I mean, I even thought, like, telling, you know, them, you love them in a group together, even though he had said it, like, separately, I wouldn't have done that either. because in turn, you end up having to have two separate conversations anyway. I was so, like, that was what I was the most shocked by. I mean, I think pretty much every, I think, yeah, that was the moment that was the most jaw-dropping.

It was like, okay, I saw him wanting to be with Susie and like, you know, like trying to pursue that all the way. But I didn't foresee this group breakup. I think, you know, and I think no matter what it was going. to be you know it already turned into a mess it was going to be heartbreaking um for whoever and that was going to be hard decision an uncomfortable decision for him but at the same time like i get it like follow your heart like if you feel sick like you can't choose the other two i know like i get it but the breaking up with them at the same time thing was what i was the most jarred by yes um i it was really hard to watch and then it's like okay you're leaving with someone to go check on them and then leaving

someone there i just thought that there should have been like two separate conversations i mean it's for me to say like what i would have done but like i'm not the bachelor but like that i didn't agree with that and that was it was really hard to watch yeah we've seen similar situations where the bachelor the lead whatever goes and breaks up with multiple people at this point in the cool competition process process and it's always them like knocking on separate doors so very very bizarre and it's and when people i'm assuming when people say like the way that he treated like there's lots of comments online being like i can't believe the way that he treated gabby and rachel what's your take on that because my take is the fact that he's doing this in a group setting

and like not treating them like with a lot of empathy I think but like I think people need to realize this is something that Caitlin and I were talking about yesterday this is still the process this is still the bachelor process we still eliminate people down to the person that we want to be with and I think that like somewhere along the way in the past couple weeks that was muddled and maybe and again like guys I keep referencing the Caitlin conversation but we did really break this down. I think that possibly that's because we're rooting for these girls harder than we're rooting for Clayton. And that's probably because we didn't really know Clayton because you know, we didn't get attached to him on a previous season. So here we are knowing the girls

just as much as him. And I think that people are kind of forgetting that this is the bachelor process. Like he has to dump people in order to be with the person he wants to be with. Yeah. No, so true there is something i've been thinking about also though like as far as like you know empathy and like thinking things through yeah he didn't go to hometowns he didn't go to fantasy suites yeah that's that's the thing he doesn't know how that feels knew how it feels um you know i'm sure he had an idea of like how invested they both were like you could see it in his face when he talked to them but um yeah I mean, I think it was just a, you know, it's his first time doing this. And so he wasn't really, you know, I think at the time he thought he was doing the best thing.

I really have to wonder with him, you know, deciding to go in there in a group. Like, did we all know that he was just going to go break up with them together? Or did anybody say maybe we should have separate conversations or was he like, you know, this is how I want to do it? I don't know. He's like, I'm going to rip the Band-Aid off. I don't want to do this twice. Like he had to have two separate conversations anyway, so I don't know.

It's so tough. And it's, I, that was like the hardest part for me to watch, especially like them both being my friends and like, you know, convincing Gabby to stay. Like she wanted to leave and like my issue is not. There's that too. That there's the issue there too is like just begging for her to stay. saying that like staying is a testament to the relationship that's like a whole different thing though because then you get to like the elimination of it all like that is part of the process like when

I got broken up with my whole thing was I'm not mad you're breaking up with me I'm mad that like I feel like you're not really giving me answers yeah that's right I remember you saying that and so it's like you know I think for them it was probably similar a lot more painful because you know they did have like that intimate time and like hours on end together with like no interruption but like it's just it's so tough to think about like not like being addressed in a group

so often it kind of like Rachel makes you not feel like an individual yeah yeah well I'm thinking yeah I just like Gabby says you know you took two days away from me that I could have been with my friends and family and I told totally see that side where it's like you dragged me on for another two days after

begging me to stay it's so messed up but again to play devil's advocate it's kind of the process it's like you need the yeah you need like the amount of days that you need to make the decision i still love gap i love the way that gabby handled herself in that moment she just was like no BS she was like no yeah i don't really want to hear it from you like you're i'm over i'm really over this i think they handled this breakup exactly how we imagined which was basically how they didn't last the previous nights episode rachel extremely emotional just like would do anything to say it with him and then gabby just being like nah goodbye uh she just i feel like she really knew her worth yeah yeah i agree um i knew rachel was going to be a little

harder to watch just because I know Rachel. I knew Gabby would probably have a little different of a reaction. I was trying to think, I'm like, how would I react in this situation? And I feel like I would have been a little more like Gabby. So that's awesome. Caitlin and I were saying, we wish we could be Gabby, but we know we'd be Rachel. I know I would be Rachel. I'd be Rachel behind the scenes. I'd be right. I don't know if you saw my face. When I left, I was stone cold and then I cried as soon as I walked into the hotel. Well, good for you. I love that you're able to keep the poise and then break down. That is an admirable quality I wish I had. Oh, no. I wasn't tried. Like, I was just shocked. I hit you then. I was like stunned and a little like pissed at the same

time um yeah it was it was i knew rachel was going to be really hard to watch like i had tears in my eyes i'm like trying to like suck them back into my eyeballs like watching last night um yeah but i i mean i know ultimately you know it comes down to the decision it comes down to the process and like if susy was still there and susy like ended up meeting the family even briefly and that's what he decided he wanted i don't think either of them had an issue With that being his choice, it was just like the way that he got to that choice and the way he navigated the decisions like prior to that what was what, like that was what was so hurtful, I think because like no one wants to be chosen just because someone else isn't there. And they both made

that very clear. You know, and I think it's just like the process that like the actual process that was chosen, like the path that was chosen to get there is what was. so tough to watch and just so hard for both of them you know. Yes. A little synopsis of Gabby and Clayton on stage together with Jesse. Gabby tells Clayton that watching

it back makes her feel super misled. She said that she wasn't given all the information, especially when she was deciding whether she wanted to leave or not. And she said that's what hurts the most. She feels betrayed. And he said there's nothing I can do more than apologize. And he said, and he

says watching it back you know he wish he could have handled it differently and didn't have any bad intentions when she says that she wasn't given all the information is that the fact that what is that what didn't she say i guess i guess that he loved oh that he said yeah he forgot to tell them i love you both but i love susy the most right that's that's a big missing part yeah i think you know even watching you know the fantasy suite dates by the end of each of them i was like they they each think they're the one right definitely think they're the one which is like you know i assume part of the normal experience yeah if you've been if you're told i love you in the fantasy suite you're pretty sure that you're the one yeah yeah so um i don't know i don't know exactly what she meant by that i mean

there was a lot of information left out there was you know i think he was so focused on trying to keep them there that he was just sharing you know like i don't want you to leave like i want to see this through with you but then the other side of that was i guess he wasn't being like fully transparent about like his other feelings like yeah i'm shattered susie's gone but like i still want to explore this with you but like in his mind he was like oh my goodness this might be like over for me I guess I guess

but maybe am I like giving him too much credit and thinking that like it maybe didn't dawn on him that he wanted to go after Susie until after the two met his family I think he did but I think he did he was so mad when she had that conversation with him

at the end of their date that like that kind of blinded his view of like what he really wanted and he was like reacting I think to that and just trying to move on from that like you see him shut the door and he's like everything happens for a reason um and so I think maybe his like mind changed or maybe he thought differently in that moment but it was just like a rush of emotions and like his true feelings of like okay like I do love you the most were still there yeah like he needed time to soften a little bit right right

Okay, yeah. Okay, so then one other last thing about Gabby and Clayton up on stage together. Clayton says, I want you to know that I did have love for all of you. And then Gabby says, when you say love someone, you're, you are assuming responsibility to love them and to care for them. And you didn't do any of those things. What do you think about him actually truly being in love and using like I, I kind of, I agree with her. Yeah. Again, I was talking to Caitlin yesterday.

I really think that he was in lust with all of them and was just getting really confused because it didn't really seem like love, especially when we see the behavior. I don't know. And it's like, I've never been in love with multiple people at once. I've never thought I was in love with multiple

people at once. So it's like hard to imagine like where he's coming from with that. And like I thought it was interesting too when Gabby you know said I do think I could follow. in love with more than one person. Yeah.

She's like, I might just, like, navigate it differently or something. I can't believe. These girls are totally going to be haunted by this. There's going to be multiple loves in this coming season. Yeah. Yeah. But I think my issue was more of I had love for both of you. It's like you're still putting them in a group when you're having a singular conversation.

And I was like, again. But I do think he, like, deeply cared for them. I mean, and I'm saying that too, because I left right before all of this. Like, I felt like he maybe could love me too. And so I think it's just he had like a wild experience and, like, wasn't prepared for all of that. Yeah. I mean, I can't, I can't even. Like, I think.

you know falling in love and being in love are different things i get confused on you know he said he was in love or falling in love to who or what like i get confused about all of that i think he said he loved them both and he was falling in love with both of them but so many different ways of saying it on the bachelor yeah yeah um i think you know to be in love with someone like that, you would be a little more, I don't know, respectful of their boundaries at time. You know, if someone says I'm done, like, there's still multiple people there and, like, you're fighting for all of them.

Like, I think that there was love there, but, like, what that looks like for him, like, I don't know. Okay. Like, Rachel has the same thing about, like, she didn't know what his definition of love was. Like, I have no clue. Like, I'm confused as the rest of us. by all of this um yeah well you know the man so that makes me feel like i can listen to your opinion with like a little bit more strength yeah yeah for sure and i think i was i was blindsided

and confused when i left too so uh it's yeah i don't know well he's been getting so much criticism right i got to know from you somebody who actually knows him Do you watch these episodes and you're like, oh, I'm so glad I dodged this bullet? Or do you have more empathy than you think the average viewer does? It's a little bit of both because I think, I think knowing him, I expected a little bit better navigation of some of these situations. And, you know, like being someone who said, like, I was in love with him. Like, I felt like I knew him well enough to feel safe.

and I think kind of that's where Gabby was coming from with that comment and I would have hoped that he would have never done something like that to me. And so I can see where the girls are coming from, but also I have a lot of empathy for him because, you know, this is his first time doing this. And like he didn't make it to these parts of Michelle's season and, you know, was thrown right into it immediately as soon as he got home. And so I do have a lot of empathy for him. there are like so many different moving parts multiple people um i know that he had strong feelings for a lot of people and so it's just i think watching him navigate it for the first time like as someone that knows him and you know i had gotten over it and gotten my closure like you know

before the show started airing so it was more of hoping that he did it to the best of his ability because like you know you always care for someone and like you know that the shoes that he's in he's getting so much criticism and like so much like unnecessary hate so it's it's a little bit of both for me like I'm glad I wasn't there I do think everything happens for a reason um seeing like more now like I'm for sure like oh there's no way that was ever like the person for me but at the time like I do know him I do like I do like like care for his like well-being and his like mental health and like I do like you know I was it was hard sitting there at the women tell all and hearing some of the stuff that was being said too

and you know it sucks when some of it's true and like some of it's like warranted it doesn't like make it feel any better to like watch someone just be repeatedly like kind of harped on for the same things but like you know he is accepting of his um reactions and you know how he's like navigated through all of this and he's like learning from it and I think that's like all we can ask from him yeah yes yes all said and done you know that is totally true and like he said last night he was like I have learned more in like the past five months than basically ever before five years and five months is what they said five years and five months okay thank you for the exact quote um so i got to know your take on the way that he spoke to susy last week because that's what

i really can't get over when i see the two of them together now i'm like how did she get over that if i can't get over that yeah i mean it was hard like watching that like he said said he didn't know who he was looking at in my mouth. I don't know who you are. I'm looking at because like I dated him too. Like I was in love to and I was like, who is that? Like I didn't know there. And so that was like really scary, you know,

knowing that you can go through this process like and get that far and like not see, you know, there's like a dark side. Someone that they might need to work on too. But yeah, no, that was tough. And Susie is an. an absolute angel. She's so calm, well-spoken. She was like my roommate the entire time through this. So proud of how she handled herself through that. I don't know how I would have been,

but I think she was incredible and really proud of her for that. But yeah, no, that was insane to watch. Like, I was super uncomfortable with it and super shocked. I had no idea that that was coming. I was like, okay, maybe it's a disagreement, maybe it's a fight, but those words were, they were so hurtful. It was really hard to watch for sure. All right. Well, I want to talk to you more about Susie and Clayton and their relationship. We got to take a quick break. So we'll talk about that right after this. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend

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It's a celebration of life, backstage, behind the social media curtain, listen to Offa Vine wherever you get your podcast. Okay, Serene, when did you find out that Clayton and Susie were rekindling things? Because you say that you guys are roommates, so you must have a relationship outside of the Bachelor bubble as well. right um i didn't ever really ask any questions because i didn't want to know um with any of the top three so i found out like this week okay i'm so confused you guys we knew everything we had this big bachelor message and we were just like blah blah blah blah like i knew the entire way that this is going to unfold the season when i was on the show and now you tell me this and then jill because she's from Rhode Island and then we hang out she is like best friends with Rachel and I asked

her just a couple days ago I was like so like but you know like what happens with Rachel right and she's like no I really don't like what do you mean like why are you guys asking these things like good for you you're watching like fans and I like that well there was like I mean honestly there was so much love between all of us that we were all I think everyone was so respecting of Everyone is respectful. It just really feels respectful. Like the top four of us didn't even get added to like the big group chat until like way after everyone else because people were kind of like scared of. Are you okay? Like do you fuck? Like I don't know. Yeah. And I think for me, I didn't know like if I asked someone like am I asking someone to like spill the beans on their heartbreak and maybe they're not like ready to talk about it yet. I had no clue. you guys were right the way that everything ended for these girls was scary, you know?

It's something that they wouldn't want to talk about with the group for a while. I'm glad I didn't cry. Yeah. All right, well then this week when you found out that they were together, what were your thoughts? Especially since you found this out

while you're watching this happen on TV because if you're like the average fan, I think we're all like, Really, Susie? You sure? Yeah, that's the thing is like, I, like, knowing Susie and like being so close with her, like, I trust her judgment and like her decision making. And like, I know that she will stand up for herself through and through. I know that the conversations that they will have had to have, you know, before all of this, you know, within the couple of months had to have been, you know, big enough for them to be to be. together right now. You know, he was able to state her peace and, like, calmly leave. And then even after that, still having the feelings that she had for him, even though they were a little different than his, you know, I felt like her feelings were maybe a little jaded at that point.

You know, just that was like my interpretation of it is it's like you don't want like this magical moment, like a proposal starting of forever to be like meddled by like everything that we just went through and I think the way that she said that was you know she has such a way with words like she's so good at expressing yourself and um I think knowing her the conversations that they will have had in private up to this point I think that you know she's making an educated decision for herself um I don't know you know I haven't had a chance to talk to her since then and I can't wait to call her and get you know a little more of the details since you You know, we were so close in the house and everything, but, um, you know, I think if after all this,

she's decided, you know, to reach out to him. They said that she reached out to him. You know, she decided to reach out to him and they had those conversations. She did say it sounded like they had been like working on building a new foundation. And I was like, okay, girl, like snaps for you. Like they're, it sounds like they're thinking things through. Um, And they've really had, like, the time to talk a lot of this stuff out. I think we were all shocked by it. But at the end of the day, like, I think they're both just doing, like, what they want to do, like their heart desires, you know, what they came into this for.

And, you know, they didn't leave, like, engaged. And so I think it's good that they're, like, dating and, like, trying to navigate this as, like, a normal couple now. Yeah. Yeah. My biggest question for them, and I'm interviewing them in like about an hour, is Susie, how did you get from being at that altar and saying you're not my person? I don't even love you enough to date you. Or I don't even like, basically like I don't even like you enough to date you. I don't know. I know we skipped over that part a little bit. to happening last night that it just I know to where you are now to DMing him right like I really want to know

like what happened in your head and it wasn't just that it wasn't just like you know I discovered you're not my person it's also the whole conversation that they had last week where it's like I won't be able to get over the hump of you saying like of you sleeping with other people and with saying I love you

so there's like all these things it's like Susie how'd you get over and just DMM? Yeah. I think too, like the timing of I think the sleeping with other people and saying I love you to multiple people, I think it was more a timing thing of like, I don't want to get engaged to you two days after that happened.

Well, do you think that that was really an engagement thing? Like he did pull out the ring, which was kind of, but he pulled out the ring. I would have been shook to the core. I did. He pulled out that ring. I was like, God, I hope there's not a camera on my face right now because I'm shocked. The whole scene was awkward, okay?

When they were like going to meet up to like have this final conversation, I thought it would be like on a bench in Iceland, you know, in like a cute cafe at Reykjavik. Well, no, it was a full-blown bachelor finale rose ceremony. It was stunning in there. She wore the big gown. He had the ring in this pocket. Like I just was not expecting this. and I wonder if Susie was expecting that because that would have thrown me off

and made me so much more nervous. I mean, she had to have expected it. Did you see what she looked like? Like, he looked like she was ready to get married right there. Yeah. Like, Johnny, like, she had to have known. Yeah, you're right. With the dress, she knew.

It's like, I don't know. Like, I was literally thinking about that too. Like, she got ready, like, looks gorgeous, like, dressed to the nines like what was she thinking was going to happen i can't wait to listen to what to y'all's conversation thank you for um adding that question now to my list i didn't even think like she had to put that gown on so she definitely expected it to look like a final row ceremony which just adds the pressure to the conversation it's like at an altar i'm going to tell this man no thank you i mean there could have been the chance that she thought like okay he's just going to like

offer me the rose like but he had a ring in his pocket like I just had no clue I think that was really just to get the Neil Lane name in there yeah yeah shout out to Neil Lane though we love him he's so great yeah literally Jesse was like Clayton's about to pull the biggest tail Mary and I was like boom ring and I was like okay that's not what I thought was going to happen you know what question i've got to ask them um why did she say on the live show i would have to be the one proposing i don't know i think she was that's just like susie she's just like she just like blurted something and it has no meaning honestly like the biggest personality biggest goofball wild person like so i think she's like oh this is my man like i might be the one to

propose like I don't know okay all right that's cute I feel I felt like that maybe didn't carry as much weight as some people were thinking before okay okay so we won't be seeing Susie be like being a modern woman and getting down on one knee we might uh former miss virginia proposes to Clayton Eckerd uh all right so let's Let's just talk briefly about something that I, that we kind of skipped over. And that was Rachel and Clayton's sit down on the stage. My biggest takeaway from that moment is just like how she's just like, you never loved us. Like I, you know, I just don't believe.

I don't believe you. That was the big line. I don't believe you. And then we see her dad sitting there like, you know, Tony Soprano. He, I mean, come on, dude. He's like, there's no way. that he's not forcing himself to have that much of a straight face.

I think it's natural. You really? It's like, I don't think he's worried about the cameras looking at him or America. It's such a straight face. It almost looks like acting. He's like the security guard in the front row of a concert.

It's a fairing contest, yeah. So funny. Anything you feel like that stood out to you other than that moment where she said, like, you never loved us. Yeah, I think I think I'm really proud of Rachel for like standing up for herself. And that was something I kind of saw coming because, you know, with one person, they were a little more angry up front. And then they had, you know, Gabby had her conversation with him and has had a lot more time to like think about, you know, what she wanted to say and stuff like that because she said so much of it in the moment. And then with Rachel, like I've definitely been Rachel in a situation. before where you're so emotional at first and then you're like angry later you actually like you know your your vision is like foggy you know with all of this emotion and then like you look at it like

what was that you know yeah i think you try to put yourself in those shoes and i think that's what rachel did she loved him so much that she couldn't imagine doing the things that he did and so to her the answer is you weren't in love with us um but i think like love looks different to everyone and that's also something she said is she's like i don't even know what like your definition of love is after this yeah and he continues to stand by the you know the stand by the fact that he he did love them he says that she was the first person he said i love you too in six years and she says was it to sleep with me i think he said it to sleep with me i think he said it to sleep with me Well, your mouth fell open.

Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, I did not expect that one from her. But I think he was just living in the moment and he wasn't thinking about, like, he wasn't thinking things through. I think he just, he took experience all of this very literally and experienced all of it. Yeah. Yeah. Could you imagine being her dad?

bad and there's just like all this sex talk no no i was like across from him and like he was like looking at the floor a lot of the time like he didn't like you could tell he didn't want to watch some of it every time his baby girl was on the screen though every time she was on the screen his eyes were glued well i think we all hope to see more of him and and Gabby's grandfather as part of the season. We don't want to just see them at hometowns. We want to see them throughout. It's Tony and grandpa.

Totally. Is his name really Tony? I think so. I think it is. Yeah. Tony, big Tony. Yes, that's awesome. Serene, before I let you go, let's talk about Jesse Palmer coming back as host for the next season.

How did you like him as host? And how was he in real life? Jesse is so kind. He's so incredible. Like, so comforting. I remember being sent home and he did that thing. He put his hands together. And he's like, serene. It's time to say your final class. There could not have been a more comforting person to say those words. Like, I just remember kind of thinking, like, can I hug you? Oh, he is so sweet. There's something so, you're right, comforting about him.

Like, I can't put it out. He's just really. easy to talk to you he's really comfortable to be around yeah no he's incredible he's so nice and he's definitely um very hands on like he actually talked to us he wasn't just like a host i mean i don't know like how the other hosts were but like uh he wasn't just a host that like showed up when it was time to show up like i would see him around the hotel and he'd be like hey zreen what's up like what you've been up to like he's just a very nice guy like through um so love that for him I think he'll do great. I also think, you know, with what Rachel and Gabby went through, like he was there for that, you know, so they're comfortable with him.

And that is every. Yeah. Yes, yes. That's a good, good point. All right. Serene, you have been a fantastic guest, a fantastic bachelor contestant, and we really hope to see you getting with one of those cuties in paradise. Clayton is rooting for you, too. Did you hear last week that he said, you're.

like the one person that he just is really looking forward to finding love in paradise you know if you so choose to that's so nice and you know he knows some of them so i'm like do you know something i don't like spill the beans clayton who's interesting i'm kidding i'm sure i'm sure you'll get word from susie soon enough oh my gosh thanks so much for being here bye oh wait this is how we have to sign off that would be so disappointed pointed if I decided to just say bye. Okay, this is how we do it. I've been Ashley.

Oh, and I've been Serene. Yay. Awesome. We're so proud of people when they get a hang of it. I don't know why. I feel like it took me too long. No, it didn't. It's the weirdest thing. It's just something that's stuck.

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