The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Adding to the Kiss List

Episode Date: September 9, 2020

It’s the finale of The Bachelor: The Greatest Seasons Ever and Ben & Ashley are hanging out with the ladies in the middle of the action! Sharleen Joynt gives us a behind the scenes look at Juan Pablo’s season and we hear some secrets from her time with Clare. We find out if Sharleen always thought Clare had “Bachelorette” vibes. Amy Long gives us her honest take on getting to know Juan Pablo and she spills on why she turned down an invite to Paradise!Plus, all the Bachelor Nation news!!Becca Kufrin moving out and Kaitlyn Bristowe’s claim that DWTS will be her “last hurrah”. Heather Martin from Colton’s season tells us about why Ben was watching her and Hannah B in a bathtub together! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, hey. So first we're going to be a little bit. run down some bachelor headlines then we have got some interviews with Juan Pablo's girls and Heather Martin who is a she's got a hot guy in a music video we got to ask whether she has kissed this hot guy and she's she's added one to you know what do you call it not the many she's had it added one to not the many of who she's kissed that was her big storyline or what they call it the bed the bed post notch but like in yeah and Heather in my world it's the kiss notch because like I one time you know I had a kiss list at one point

you would have a kiss list you would definitely have a kiss list Ashley that's hilarious I was really proud of it I was like all these guys are hot oh Ashley you're one of a kind and I love you for it um Heather's also on a trip right now with Hannah Brown so maybe we can get some details about what they're doing why they're together and what it is that they're experiencing on this girls retreat. Ashley, before we bring on all our guests, we do have to break down this week's goat episode and also the Bachelor headlines because there is many. So let's just dive in. The very first topic is one that we've been hinting at, you know, wondering about Bachelor Nation has been up in arms about and wondering what is going on. It's Becca Kufrin and

Garrett have officially now announced they ended their engagement. We do think that all signs were pointing to this. However, we just hadn't gotten clarity, but now we can confirm that this has happened. So I want to read the quote that Becca put out there. She said after many conversations, we came to this decision, it wasn't something that just arrived one night. It wasn't based solely off one Instagram post or somebody else's opinions or comments. There's much more to it. To any relationship, there's lots of layers. And it's not for me to divulge the details. It's no one's business other than what I am telling you right now. But that being, said we have to analyze it a little bit right so i haven't seen becca since february but you are way

closer to her you were on the road with her for almost a month do you mind me asking you ben if you think that they would still be together if it weren't for what went down in june it's so hard and i and i have to take her words for it right like i can't assume in anything more than that it was a lot leading up to it. And I think in relationships you can always point to there's going to be conflict and there's going to be things that your partner does that you don't agree with. If it is a healthy relationship, then you make those things work. You work through them, you talk them out, you come to compromise on them.

If it was coming from a foundation that maybe wasn't the healthiest, then I could see where there would be some final straws that would break. And you would say this isn't going to work. I, you know, I can speak to a little bit more of this now because I didn't want to assume too much before, but I did get to spend a lot of time with Becca. She is a terrific human. And I feel very similar to Becca that I feel about you. Like I get, I've told you this. I'm lucky enough to be able to host and co-host things with some people who I'm just really fond of and who I care about a lot. I didn't though within our time together get to speak a lot to where her and Garrett were at because they were together on the bus for the most part

and I saw their relationship look good from the outside but again this is where I can speak to it it's always you always want to put up a good face when you're around people and I then know how hard it is to go through a public breakup especially in this bachelor world and there there's no easy or right way to break up within it because you know that it's going to be a story you know you're going to have to talk about it you know that there's going to be assumptions made and so it's it's more i think when ashley and i have been able to talk about it we're just

coming out at this and like it it sucks like this sucks and it's not fun and we we it sounds cliche but like we just hope the best for them moving forward and that they can separate and separate cordially and both pursue whatever it is now that's next in their lives and move on from this relationship that they obviously didn't see being forever. Yeah, so maybe, I mean, I don't want to make assumptions either, but maybe if it weren't for the post in June and how he dealt with it that maybe their relationship would have gone longer but it didn't have the forever

to it because maybe there were issues that they just could never see eye to eye on and they were too important to not and then maybe they had different ways of like talking out issues it's just

it is kind of it's for me it just seemed like they had a great relationship until then but again I was watching from afar. Well, and you have to see, you know, I think we all have to see this and we have the benefit and also for them sometimes the demise of they both, you know, especially Becca lives a very public life. And we've gotten to listen to her podcast with Rachel. She was really experiencing

a lot of learning and growth throughout the last few months as many of us have. And I think when it comes to these like some of these foundational viewpoints that really determine how you see people and what you want to stand for those do come into conflict if you don't agree like they do become major issues in relationships if you can't see eye to eye and who knows you know again we have to take beck's word for it and and say hey this wasn't the final deal but i think that we can all understand that like it was a part of it and now they're moving on. In fact, the next headline in this is that Becca has completely moved on now and she's moved to Los Angeles. She announced just a little while back that she has moved fully to

Los Angeles and she's starting life there. Yeah, I was thinking that she wasn't going to continue to live in Carlsbad, California, which is about an hour and a half, two hours south of L.A. without Garrett. I feel like Garrett probably was the kind of guy who didn't want to live in a major city and now that Becca's single. She's like, I'm going to go live around people that I know. She said that she signed a lease

without even seeing the apartment, making a giant step. And we should also mention that the dog is staying with her. Of course. I was not shocked because I... No. I knew that Minnow and Becca

had a really special relationship. I mean, if you, it's similar to you, Ashley. If you talk to Becca about her life, Minow is within the first couple words. The dog is a big deal. So that's not a shock to me, but it is now confirmed that Minnow is staying with Becca in Los Angeles. From one bachelorette to the next, Caitlin Bristow says, Dancing with the Stars is her last hurrah. This is a huge topic.

This is actually a really big statement by Caitlin, because she's referencing that she wants to start a family. So just Dancing with the Star's experience is her last hurrah. Now, Ashley, this is why I want to get your insight into. Not only that statement, but then now she's also referencing that I'm assuming that Jason is a part of this next step for her. I know. I was like, this puts pressure on Jason.

I feel like a proposal is just around the corner. She's saying that she's ready to start having babies. and this is going to be like the last big exciting travel experience that she's going to have before that they like settled down crazy but the greatest thing is that we don't have to suspect anything because we can just ask and that's because Jason is going to be on our in-depth podcast we're recording it next Thursday so we'll ask him all about you know their their future it's it's exciting i mean this is a just a huge statement that i feel like kind of got like thrown underneath some of these other headlines i know i was like wait a second

what kately's been saying she wasn't sure when for a long time but we wish her the best i mean this is going to be an exciting time for her obviously dance with the stars felt like it was always made for kately it's not made for everybody it was made for kately she's going to thrive and shine during this and what better way to kind of say for black of better word goodbye to a lot of the entertainment world other you know for her it stands with the stars like what a cool way to do that it's her celebration but it hasn't always been celebration for kately in fact this week we also have seen kately kately kateland break down um the trolls got to her and in fact the headline reads Caitlin Bristow cries after trolls criticize her appearance ahead of Dance with a Star's debut.

She states, and I quote, it got to me. Yeah, so on Saturday, she shared a picture of herself crying on Instagram. Her eyeliner was still pretty perfect. And she said, I forgot how mean people are when you go on TV. Just so many, she looks old and plastic comments everywhere. You win today, trolls, you got to me. So she also She also says that she's PMSing

And that she's really tired Not a great combo She got really emotional But Ugh Yeah trolls suck I mean these people suck And for any of you out there

Who would write such a thing Like could you imagine getting that yourself Like I can't imagine Just going to somebody's Instagram profile Typing those words out So that they could see it it's uh you know ash what i what i think of here is the best response is as katelyn if this is her last hurrah

um then i hope dance for the stars is a magical success for her and anybody that's criticizing her right now as she preps for it uh is silenced due to her success and i think that will happen i've had full confidence in that um but it's unfortunate and it's not fun to watch It's not fun to watch a friend break down, especially publicly. You know that haters, they hate success. So sometimes success can feel more hate, but you just have to remember that. Well, there is a great statement that says that with your worst enemies, you need to heap coals of kindness over them.

And so I think Caitlin's best way and all of our best ways to do this is to say, hey, I don't like it. It's not fun for me. but I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to go down to your levels. I'm going to shine in her place, and she's going to shine. We know that. Question for you. Do you think that acknowledging the fact that you're seeing the hate comments

fuels their fire and makes them comment more because they're getting satisfaction and attention out of it? Or do you think the best case is, and do you think the best case is to ignore? Or do you think it's more powerful to say like these are the effects of your work? that's a good question my my approach now originally it went to i'm going to ignore that was impossible because they come up in places that you can't ignore them at i i now see that you're gonna you and we know this on an almost famous podcast in fact this is a good point to bring up our facebook group um you know who you know we get messages saying hey there's there's there's hate

being spread on them and then there's great things but there's there's hate here's what you i think we got to look for it and and i'm not a an expert in this but you're going to find your select few who are outstanding humans who have your back who you have their back who you become a team together who you enjoy uh each other and you want to lift those people up you also want to show what you also want to show those those trolls what it's like to respond positively and maturely to those comments i think approaching it is great i think it's it's an important thing to do i think it's showing them that hey you've hurt me I'm going to show you've hurt me, but I'm not going to stoop to your level, but I'm going to show you that there's pain here.

And I believe that when you show that, the people who actually want to support, who actually care about your well-being, who actually enjoy people putting themselves out there, will get more fuel to their fire to say, I've got your back. And so you're building that team and the people that don't want a part of the good things in life, well, you can't force them to like those good things. but you've got to show them that they've hurt you because I think it's important for people to know, hey, your words do still matter and we're not just going to ignore them because I don't think they're going away. So, well, we'll move on to a little happier, funnier topic. We just talked about Caitlin excited to have kids and start a family. Well, there's one Bachelor Nation couple who have definitely started a family.

They've done it quickly and their kids are growing up. The headline reads, pregnant Jade Roper is pretty. sure Tanner Tolbert will get a vasectomy after third baby. Snip, snip, snip is the comment. Wait, why does the expression, Snip, Snip make me feel so uncomfortable? Oh, because it is uncomfortable. Actually, you've got to think about what you're doing here. You're literally sticking something up between our legs. Now, granted, you guys have your own uncomfortable more than ours. Yeah. Yes, yes. There's more, but like, it doesn't take away from the fact that a vasectomy is not a fun experience. Nobody looks forward to it in Snip, snip, snip.

Just, I think, best categorizes the idea that you are cutting off something that that just cannot be fun to be cut on. Yeah. And you guys, ficectomies are reversible in case you decide to have more children. But yeah, I know Jaden Tanner, they kind of just want to have these three grow up and all together in a chunk. So like when they're done with the baby phase, they're done with the baby phase. And then they can all, there's like a certain freedom when kids get to.

be able to like walk have conversations all that stuff you know because say emmy is like getting to that point now she's so fun and conversational and really cool to be around becoming independent and then you bring a like a newborn into it and everything kind of falls back you're like well we still can't do this or we still can't do that because now we have to take care of the baby so even though emmy can do it we can't like go on a family trip you know with three kids but like once they get to the of, well, it's seven, seven, five, and four, then you'll be like, okay, now we can like tote them around a little bit more differently, a little differently. Does that make sense? Yeah, Ashley, I have waited patiently to not interrupt you, but you just said something

a little bit ago that is just really made me squirm. Wait, what? You said, you prefaced all this by saying vasectomies are reversible. If at any time, Jessica looks at me and says, I need you to get a vasectomies. but don't worry honey it's reversible if we ever choose not to be i would go bonkers are you kidding me that that's even an option if you're getting a vasectomy i'm keeping my vasectomy you are not touching my vasectomy more than one time and i'm sure there's people out there have been like yeah i had my husband do it reversed it two or three times like we just life changed i get that that happens in unique scenarios but nobody goes into getting a vasectomy saying hey i'm going to do this

as like preemptive just in case one day we want to start again that's so funny and i'd like to share that tanner is the kind of guy who passes out at everything so he had this like cyst on his head and he needed to get it removed a couple months ago he fainted in the chair and that is something that he couldn't even see it was on top of his head and it was very surface you know what i mean so like this is definitely the guy that's not going to be able to handle the bisects me very well I get it, man. I get it. If you only knew all my stories, you knew I can relate.

Hey, we have a lot of topics to fly through here. Bachelor X's Nick Vile and Vanessa Grimaldi reunite for first time since our 2017 split. We talked to Nick about this. This is on his Nick V trash TV and his exes tell all. It's kind of a summary of his season and speaking with the girls from his season. Ashley, what more do you know about this? Well, they like hash out a lot. It's definitely not just a surfacy fun conversation.

And if you guys want to listen to it, you have to just type in Nick V. Talks Trash TV. It's a couple dollars to listen to this interview, but it's definitely worth it. So moving on now to dating, there are some Bachelor contestants that are now publicly dating. We're going to start with Hannah Ann from Peter's season. The headline reads, Bachelor Contestant Link could make NFL's team's locker room awkward, this according to the New York Post. Okay, so Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Josh Dobbs was just acquired off waivers to Pittsburgh. And very soon after that, she was spotted with Mason. Rudolph, who is the backup quarterback at the Steelers.

So basically, Dobbs and Mason Rudolph are going to be in the same meetings in the same locker room, and they both supposedly maybe had a flirtation hooked up with Hannah-Anne. I don't think this is a real rarity in the NFL. I don't think this is going to be as awkward as the headline is trying to make it. I also don't think either these guys are currently dating Hannah because she hasn't seen she has been spotted with Rudolph since March I don't think so yes the headline is is probably overstating the fact but hey what a coincidence what a coincidence can we say that what a coincidence more dating rumors but now actually not a rumor is confirmed bachelor nation star Jeff Holm confirms he's dating two or hot to handles Francesca Fraggo. Wow. Jeff Hohm would just confirm this. I don't think they've been seeing each other very long.

They, because like she was holding, she was holding hands with another guy a week ago. That's true. Yeah, right? So, so they're certainly not exclusively dating. And Jeff points that out. He says, people are quick to put a title on things, but we're taking it slow. It's in the beginning stages. Okay.

They were spotted on Tuesday, September 1st, out on a boat on Lake Powell and Arizona. And, yeah, Francesca is just, I think Francesca is just having fun right now. She's, she's super hot. Almost too hot to handle. Too hot to handle. Well, moving on now from dating to, we're going to kind of get, we're going to ramp this up to then Claire's season. And leading up to Claire's season, obviously, uh, we're going to, uh, we're going to, break down here in just a second um but wampablo season of the goat uh or the bachelor aired on

the goat here this week and uh well won pablo hasn't been thrilled about this in fact he's been tweeting ashley what do we know so we'll get into this later but i do think that they piled on one pablo a little bit last night they like made it seem like he was the worst man to ever exist like they like they they went beyond like he was our least liked bachelor and went more to like this is like a terrorist to women around america they called him the most hated man in america i'm like come on this is so ridiculous so juan pablo tweeted something a couple days ago saying interesting promo of claire and the season of the bachelorette six years later and I know who is the one that can't get over Juan would love if you take a guess. P.S.

Claire got over a long time ago just in case. Okay, so Juan Pablo was never especially articulate on Twitter. He had a lot of like sub-tweets, a lot of games used to play on Twitter that would just cause excess. speculation about things i think what he's trying to allude here is that the bachelor at franchise is obsessed with claire well as is obsessed with wampablo and bashing him and claire has no feelings attached to him and like has moved on extremely fine it's uh it's a an unfortunate time for Juan Pablo because obviously we will talk to the guests in a little bit and hear their ideas about how the Go episode was portrayed. But we've also now heard that Juan Pablo has quietly

split from his wife of two years. And that was announced on Us Weekly. Yeah. So I don't even know that it was really ever announced that Juan Pablo was married. I crept on his Instagram like a year ago and I figured that out she was a former Miss Venezuela and we know that Miss Venezuela's are always like smoke shows but they've been split up for a while now and they just

his ex-wife made it public in March so if you guys didn't know Juan Pablo got married and now he's divorced it is now over and speaking of over well Claire and Juan Pablo we obviously saw last night are over however claire's season of the bachelorette is just beginning and her promo came

out and claire crawley kisses one of her suitors and new bachelorette promo yeah so remember how last week we watched the promo together here on the podcast and it was on youtube on my computer screen and since i've seen it a number of times on ebc and i get super stoked like i love this this promo. I loved Hannah's promo as Cinderella and then she like transformed from the beauty queen into like the sophisticated woman. But I'm obsessed with this promo almost as much. Kiki Palmer's saying respect in the background. Claire looks super hot. And in it they flashed to a couple little like the quickest little splits to, uh, to scenes from the, the season. One of which is her Kissing a guy who looks like the one that everybody is speculating she left the show for.

Uh-oh. Well, that promo might speak some truth to this season, but we still do not know. In fact, we know very little, in fact, to this day. But get excited because Claire Crawley's season is now just beginning, and we're going to talk about it here on the Almost Famous Podcast. Well, that's all the hot topics we have for today. Again, we have some really great guests. we have Charlene Joint, Amy Long, and Heather Martin coming up in just a second.

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to Juan Pablo. She's picturing her future with him. She says that she can picture her settling down with Juan Pablo. She comes out the next morning, completely different attitude. She can't even stand him for another day. She's got to leave. What did she tell us on the podcast? She said that he just talked about himself the entire time, asked no questions about her. He seemed very self-absorbed, right? Yeah. I also think she kind of hinted. at there was things she wouldn't share publicly that happened that evening. And that's basically what she does with Harrison in her interview in the Goat episode. And that's what she did during the actual Juan Pablo season.

So maybe we don't know exactly what happened that turned her up so bad. But watching this back in the confrontation, it's so fun. It's a very girl power moment. But it does leave me wondering, does Andy just want Juan Pablo, to be like, no, I don't want you to leave. Like, I want you to stay. I really like you. Or, or did he, like, really royally eff up and we're not seeing it?

Because watching it back, I'm thinking, oh, she doesn't like him and he doesn't really care about her. But she still wants him to care about her. Well, I think, yeah, I mean, I would imagine that in most cases during this show, especially, you want the lead to care about you. sometimes as a lead, you really want one of the contestants to really care about you. And you're far enough along in the journey at the fantasy suites where you're probably pretty sure of at least who your final couple are. And you're pretty confident that the person, okay, for me, that last final few was the

hardest part because you start to see who you want to be with in the end and who you want to work through a few things with in the last couple weeks. and then you have this person there in my case it was Kayla who you care a ton about who you really respect and now you have to say goodbye to them what I think this didn't show was the mutual respect between each other and that's why it was so controversial it looked like they are both like this is stupid this is over and you're like wait you guys have been through some stuff already yeah I think she's frustrated because yeah exactly what you were saying like there's no emotion attached to him he's saying it's okay like she's like even though we both just

kind of decided that we we weren't into each other enough to continue I think like I would like you to acknowledge the fact that we got to know each other as humans and um we have we had something yeah this isn't just okay this hurts and I want you to tell me that you get that it hurts is probably what she was looking for right yeah and it didn't hurt and I think she just felt like oh okay, so you're just detached throughout this entire process. You're just not forming any bonds with these women. And I think that rolls over into the next historical moment when he tells Nikki that he really likes her. She goes, I love you.

And he goes, I like you a lot. And that was in addition to not proposing what she expected. But I think in hindsight, what a blessing that he didn't. didn't get down on one knee she didn't experience that with Juan Pablo she got to experience that with her husband but but the I really like you I guess Juan Pablo kind of he prides himself on being honest so he didn't want to lie and say I love you in that moment when he wasn't feeling love and maybe the Bachelor franchise does put him down a little bit for that like Harrison even said last night he was like I like you a lot like they're making fun of him for saying I like

like you a lot, but like, would we rather him say, I love you and not mean it? I don't know. I don't think that is that really something we should villainize him for? I think it's shocking. And I think it shows that he wasn't ready to be the bachelor and he shouldn't have been the bachelor. But I don't know that we can like make it seem like that's not a good, a good move. Anybody that comes to the show, my advice to them would be do what's authentic to you.

Like this is a, a life changing moment. and just because the show is telling you you need to you should get engaged in or that feels like the the path that you're going towards it doesn't mean that you have to nor do you need to yeah i i don't think wampablo did this whole thing well at all however i don't think we should villainize him for being authentic to his feelings even if they weren't what we wanted um because i i watch it going okay he he's confident enough in his feelings to not express what she's expressing it's unfortunate that it has to look and be like this however he he was true to he was true to how he's feeling and for that i i do think we celebrate his authenticity yeah and i think that's what wampablo wants because that's what he's always frustrated with he's like if you're not on it if you're honest they don't like you and the bottom the crux of all of this is that he wasn't the bachelor that ABC wanted him to be he wasn't the kind of woman that most people or at least from what we saw

he's he's not the the person that most women want to end up with like nobody watched that season and thought like this is the kind of guy I would like to be with but also we can't once he was chosen to be the bachelor he was just himself and we can't villainize him for being honest in these situations i i could go i could be a bachelor fan right now that is not come i mean i could i don't know if there's anybody agrees to me in fact it's a great question please email us at ben and ashartmedia com or tweet us at the almost famous podcast on twitter use the hashtag you know we talked about it every season i still stand firm in this i might change my mind at some point but as a fan i get now the ups and downs of the season i get that the first

couple weeks are ridiculous i get that there's weird dates i get that there's arguments i know that there's going to be drama i expect that however when it comes to the very last episode i watch it excited for somebody that i know to find love i also want to know if they really found love like i don't want this to just be a fake engagement because this is how it's supposed to go I want to be as a fan going, you know, for example, Colton, okay, Colton, you weren't, you know, you and Cassie weren't ready to get engaged. I can get behind that. Like, I know where your relationship stands. Uh, Juan Pablo, you weren't ready to get engaged. Fair enough. Like, I get where your relationship stands. But when there is that moment when somebody gets down on a knee and

looks somebody in the eyes and says, will you marry me? I want to be on my couch and tears going, this is beautiful. Yeah. Like, I don't want to be misled, I guess I should say. And I'm, I'm, I'm glad if he did one thing really well, it was that he did not mislead us on what his feelings were. Right. I will say that he didn't do it in a very heart felt. No, no, no, no.

He didn't, he doesn't seem warm. His delivery was terrible. His delivery is constantly terrible because we see Brad Walmack, who at the end of his season, doesn't pick anyone, yet you still feel for Brad, and like there's so much emotion there.

and here there's just coldness and logic and it just didn't it doesn't feel right and his character is definitely this is the moment where I'm like okay now now we can kind of villainize well when he says to Claire in a helicopter ride I don't really know you but I love screwing you and he not good no like that that's she talks it out with him in the in the in another fantasy suite but that last date where they get to sit on the couch and like have their last combo and she

I get that she gets clarity and like they have a good like hash out of the situation but man would that stick with me I don't it's it's not even like he was trying to be sexy and said like I love screwing you it was I don't

really know you but it's just bad it's the antithesis of romantic yeah that's not good no i'm i'm like sitting here and i'm like yeah in what scenario no in what scenario does that even work and it's like maybe in your most promiscuous like days that could work but like when you're looking towards the end and you're knowing you're already nervous because you're a few days away from something happening. Either you're just leaving the show together or you're engaged or you didn't broke up with and you're like pouring your heart out into somebody else. And they

look at you and go like, yeah, you know what? I don't know you. But like, you're, I just love screwing you. Like there's no way to say that and have good intentions behind it. That isn't probably one of the most jaw-dropping moments I've ever had as a viewer watching the show. Right? yeah not good not good there's no explanation for that one and i think that's so much of what she says to him in that scene where you know he dumps her and she has her girl power moment it's not so much that he dumps her it's that that convert it's that it's it's what went down in the helicopter coming out yeah i think yes you're right and i think that's where we forget

is like we watch this in clips and we see her getting you know angry or she's like on him and we're like well that kind of came out of nowhere wise but what we forget is that this was leading up to that moment by the things that he told her and how it made her feel and how she where she felt her relationship was out with him and where he felt his relationship was out with her and it's unfortunate it there's nothing about this moment actually that i enjoy watching there's nothing about this moment that i can even wrap my head around um but but But what it does do is it points me, and I'm sure it was kind of their hope, but it does point me to the excitement that is coming up with Claire, where I can go, now we get to watch her find somebody that cares to get to know her. And whenever they decide to one day,

we'll also enjoy being with her and do it in a way that's like caring. Right. Completely. The why I enjoy watching that scene is because she's just, such a badass and she had all the right things to say from the way that she even stopped him like with her hands and just continued and it was in my opinion you know what he says in the helicopter that makes her say i would never want you to be the father of my children and then to

make matters worse in this whole dumping scene she walks away and he goes whof i'm glad i didn't pick her. Now that just proves that you don't want to be with him. Like as if he had to like put the nail in his own coffin anymore. Yeah. Well it sets us up for this goat episode that

we obviously it was not in favor of Juan Pablo. He did not come off of this. I don't think anybody's going to know wow, I liked Juan Pablo more from it. I do think there'll be some maybe sympathy. I think there'll be some some

some opinions on hey wild you really dragged Juan Pablo through this all again which isn't super unexpected he didn't do things great or well or even halfway well however we don't know Juan Pablo but we have some women coming up that do know Juan Pablo and so I'm excited and ready to ask Charlene joint her opinion on Wild Pablo and her opinion on this good episode and see if he did you know get dragged through again if she felt like it was unfair unjust or maybe she's like yeah he deserves

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authentic and being real so thank you I think you are my role model ever since the day we ran into each other and met in the deli before I was ever on the show and I was like don't go on the show it's terrible it's so unbelievable it ends up changing your life and you met the love of your life it's like I'm going to give the worst advice in the world no it's okay at least I didn't take it seriously yes um okay so watching this back like I know that you you didn't love watching yourself back the first time around and people called out certain moments that they felt were awkward but I feel like with these goat episodes people are looking back with so much more clarity. How many people were responding to you on Instagram and Twitter last night

being like, oh my gosh, you're so amazing. Like how much positivity did you get yesterday? I got a lot and it was a little overwhelming because that truly was my only go on TV and it was a long time ago, like pre-instagram being as big as it is now. It was very sweet, but I am naturally, unfortunately, one of those people that tends to focus on the negative. I'm working on So as sweet as it is, you know, it's very sweet. But I also feel like whatever you see on TV is just such a tiny facet of who I am. It's like in no way doesn't really represent me. So it's flattering, but it's also like I take it with a grain of salt.

Do you, so with that being said, as you watch yourself back and then also as you watch the season back, what else would you have loved to show about yourself that you couldn't capture on television? I mean, that is. a that's a deep one then asked by a former lead you know I remember watching it back and thinking man I look like I have a giant stick up my ass like I just look really unfun and like I take myself and the whole thing way too seriously and I think it's possible to take that seriously but not take yourself too seriously and not take it all too seriously like there's a fine line as both of you know and I just I kind of wish I hadn't let it get to me a

especially in the later stages. Like, I was crying a lot. I was, you know, just really down. I was homesick. And as your friends get sent home, you're like, I'm alone. And I just, you get clarity when you're out of the bubble, like, immediately. And I just sort of wished I had taken it a little more in stride and just laughed about it all a bit more. And shown that side of myself, because it really represents me more than the, you know, oh, I'm so smart.

Like, that's just so not who I am. I really wish that I had just let's let loose a bit. You came across very smart, but not in like the Kelsey Poe way, where it was like, I'm intelligent and she's not. You just came across like, that was your natural self. Poised. Thank you. That's a nice way of putting it.

I think that I went into it really like paranoid. I was like, oh, the producers are out to get me. Like the first impression rose was the best example of that because I was convinced that they had told him to give it to me, and I was just like, I was just like overthinking everything and analyzing everything. And I think that comes off as, you know, thinking you're too good for it or too smart for it when it's not really my, it wasn't really in my intention. It was more that I had watched the season for so many years.

Actually, I think you had as well. Yeah. Yeah. And like I was just like, you know, you're in, you're seeing how the sausage is made and I was just, I was just too in my head, way too in my head. last night seemed like a pile on to me of Juan Pablo. He has tweeted a few times that he was obviously annoyed. What's interesting is that the show makes him seem like an actual horrendous person.

And you girls, a lot of you went on social media and kind of defended him. So how do you feel about how they represented him, especially last night? Like having bachelorette like Caitlin and Becca who have never met him and just rip on him. I'm so glad you touched on that. I, it was pretty painful to watch, if I'm honest. I think we all make mistakes and Ben, you certainly know that, you know, if you went back and we're in that position, and I can't speak to that position, but I'm sure you'd do some things differently, as we all would, but especially as the lead.

I just think so much, I think that people wanted to misunderstand him. There came a point where that happened and the show really leaned into that. He wasn't that bad, you know, he really. really, he was a lovely person, especially to the women he was genuinely interested in. Now, you can criticize him for not giving every woman that same treatment, but at the same time, would you not rather that authenticity on both sides? It's a bit of a quandary for sure, but I think that it is reprehensible to rake him over the cold one more time for good measure to remind us how great Claire is for Bachelorette.

when Claire's great for Bachelorette with her without that, in my opinion. Oh, absolutely. All right. We should talk about Claire. What was your relationship with her in the house? Claire, I have nothing bad to say about Claire. I honestly thought we were friends until I watched it back and she kind of said a few things about me. And that's always a little like traumatizing.

You're like, oh, I thought I was, as you know. but I have nothing bad to say about Claire. I think that she's perfect for the role. I've always thought that she would make a great bachelorette, and I thought there was a very good chance she would get cast actually right out of our season. And actually, I remember Alon telling me that he always, he was like, oh, Claire would make a great bachelorette.

That was so many years ago. And, you know, he's long gone, but he's getting his wishes. He is. You know, before we let you go, because I know we're in a tight time crunch here, I do want to just add a little bit of encouragement to you because we haven't, you know, we haven't done enough yet. We had Andy Dorfman on an in-depth episode about a week and a half ago, and she said something that I remember about you, Charlene, and we've never been on a meet in person, but I've heard a lot about you from mutual friends and girls from, you know, that were on my season who have a ton of respect for you. Andy said she on night one got out of the limo or was in a limo. I don't know the time.

I don't remember the exact time frame. and she saw you and the first thing that came to her mind was I don't belong here because this woman is absolutely gorgeous. And then I remember watching the season and there was a moment that you were sitting on a soccer field or a football field in the middle of like the field, right? You remember this? Yeah, you remember this? Do I remember that? And it was a super awkward scene because you couldn't even watch it. Yeah, sitting in the middle of a soccer field with nobody else around and you're talking. And that stands out to me because I do think. And I could be wrong, but there was just like, and the first word that comes to my mind is glamorous.

Or just like you stood out amongst the masses, which doesn't happen easily from this show. And I just wanted to give you some encouragement to say, Andy, who was a bachelorette, who was on your season. And then me years past, you know, that season airing still remembers that moment and goes, that woman stands out above the rest. And I think you have continued to do that. And so I just want to say, thank you for coming on the podcast. Thank you for sharing your time with us. and yeah we we loved you just as much during this goat episode as we did from your season to add on to that oh it's add on to that you're so memorable and you were only on one season and you were top six like wait to go

you're going to laugh at this one time nick was like wait you were only on that one season right and i'm like yeah he's like i don't know if there's anyone who's done more with so little than you that sounds very nickish yeah that sounds very yeah very nicklike it looks like a compliment that you're like I don't know what to say hey Charlene thanks for coming on we appreciate you and and we'll be keeping up with you as time goes on thanks thank you for having me bye hi my name is enya umanzor and I'm Drew Phillips and we run a podcast called emergency intercom If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

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Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. From a person who made a real splash on Juan Pablo season to somebody who was eliminated a little bit earlier. We have Amy Long joining us. Hey, Amy. Ashley, how are you? Good. How are you? So we know you were eliminated week two of Juan Pablo season. How well did you get to know the guy? I mean, not that much. Not that much, but more than what TV showed, of course. But there's always that. They always pick the most interesting part of the conversation and go with it. So then looking back on your experience, how could you summarize it, knowing that it

probably ended quicker than you were hopeful. Definitely ended quicker than I was hopeful, but I think also ended faster than even producers thought that it might. I mean, they said time to come out to my hometown, and I don't know, we're really, I don't know, they just seemed more encouraging. They probably do that to everybody to make them hopeful. But I thought I was going to be around a little more because I don't really feel like I got that fair of a shot.

I wasn't even really invited on a date. He just kept me around because, I don't know. but watching everything back last night on the greatest ever time I was it brought back so many memories of how excited I was and how open I was to that kind of relationship at that time and and I still felt that way I was like yes those were all very real feelings however watching it back I can kind of see how the whole experience was a little bit more I guess but it was it was still those feelings in that moment were all real kind of like how all of the girls came back and said oh my goodness yes that was that's like a fresh wound again

that's crazy watching his season back did you think oh I dodged a bullet by getting eliminated week two and I didn't waste time or were you like I would have rather gone along further so I could have just lived the experience more in the moment and still now I guess I would like to have lived the experience a little bit more. I don't, like I said, it was hard to get to know him too much. I wasn't there that long, but we did have interesting conversations. The whole premise of the show is to hopefully find love. And I knew from the very beginning, he interrupted me three times when I first got out of the limo

before I could even say my name. So I was like, well, this is not off to a great start. But I'm still like, maybe he's overwhelmed. I'm overwhelmed. This is completely new for all of us. So who knows? So I wish I were there a little longer, not only to get to know him, but even some of the other people that were on my season, I really enjoyed them a lot. But, you know, they went on this crazy journey then.

And, yeah, it was a crazy experience. I still can't believe I did it. I kind of wish it would have lasted a little longer in that aspect. But I'm glad that, like, nobody's time was wasted on my end anyway. It's always interesting, Amy, to sit down with people who were eliminated earlier than. they probably should have been um and i don't know you personally but i'm assuming that like you have things that juan pablo would have loved to get to know better right um how how for you was that if you can go back to that moment what was the feeling like knowing that you risked a lot

that you went on to this show that you put yourself out there and then the feelings of going home within two weeks like what was the emotions like around that i don't lie i don't I don't feel like anybody really could even get a good judgment of me. I work in TV news, so I'm very hyper aware of cameras. So I was like, I'm not gonna act like an asshole over here. We gotta keep it cool just in case grandpa's watching. But I was kind of humiliated just because it is a lot to be like, all right, a very, and as you guys know,

a very small pool of people even knew what I was doing in the first place. But then I was like, oh crap, I have to relive all. all of this in a couple of months. But thank goodness, I went to Florida State and the national championship game was on that night. So I was like, we're just going to watch that. Huge win. Yeah.

How well did you get to know Claire during your week there? I did actually, you know how they're like, everybody's so new. So certain producers, everybody's so kind too. Of course, everybody's in the house in the very beginning, putting their best foot forward for the most part. And so it was easy to get to know girls right away. Claire and I had a whole day at home together whenever, you know, there was a big group date.

So it was one to get to know where then we were actually the cameraman because, like I said, I work in TV news and I was my own one-man van reporter. So they let me like play with the cameras and I was shooting interviews with Molly's dog and playing like with Claire and she's like holding the boom. And I think my favorite parts of that whole season were outtakes. of that day probably but uh and then they were like hey why don't you go ask her about her kiss with von pablo and i was like well i don't want to know about her kiss with but sure i will go ask her about that because you need someone to prompt that conversation but um i feel like also clear very much had her head in the game i don't know it's not that she wasn't there to make friends she's a lovely human but she also like knew her end goal was to pursue this person

and not necessarily that really on at least be best friends with everybody, if that makes sense. So, Amy, confirm or deny the report that came out years ago that you were asked to be on Bachelor in Paradise. It is true. I was actually seriously considering it. And I still kind of am like, I wonder if they need another bartender. yeah always but there was a reason there was a reason that you didn't go on paradise and that was because you started dating drew kinney and he he who season was he on he he was he on desirate so the whole backstory was just kind of funny whenever I was doing the whole play and as you know we were

quarantining before it was cool over there but um you know staying to questured in your hotel room and all of that. During that process, they had kind of told me to check out Desiree's season because the potential bachelor is going to be on. Well, there were only three people left at that point. So I was like, I can do this. I can watch a couple episodes of this. But I think that, and I'll honestly, looking back, all of us girls on Montpablo season, and if you remember, they also added some girls. So there were extra girls at the end of the night. They were like, I thought they capped it at whatever number it was. But then they were in a up being like five more. I think we were all kind of picked for either like Brooks Forrester or

Drew Kitty. And that's why that's what they told me, hey, check it out. And there's three left and like let us know what you're thinking. And whenever they called me just to say, hey, this is going to be Juan Pablo. Do you still want to do it? I was like, sure, why not? But then after Juan Pablo, all of that was over. I was like, wonder what this Jew Kenny guy is up to? So whenever they flew me out to ask me, like hey do you want to be on bachelor in paradise it's this new show and my initial reaction was i kind of felt humiliated going home so early i don't know if i want to do that to myself again and things were also picking up in my career too so i didn't know that i can just leave it and run around on a beach because it's kind of the opposite of what i should be portraying if i want to be

taken seriously these were all thoughts that i were having i was having in my in my head at the time i kind of wish i could go back and be like yes let's do it together but um he made it through Kenny was runner up on Desiree season, and that was one season before me. He had been through enough at that point, and he didn't want to expose, you know, any more of his family, and he had just kind of had it. And we met actually on one of my trips out there to talk about being on Bachelor in Paradise because he lived in L.A. I lived in Florida still. So I actually messaged him. I was like, were you asked, like, what's the deal?

So we were kind of hooking up on Instagram before it was cool. and I was like, what's the deal? And, like, are you going to do it? And I'm not really sure about this show because it was the first time they'd ever even had mentioned it. So I was thinking, yeah, the first thing off, yeah. Yeah, I was like, what's the goal here?

Are we all going to look ridiculous or, I don't know? We both decided not to do it because we found each other instead and we were like, we don't really need that show to find each other. We already found each other. And funny enough, we went on a trip to Mexico that summer, and we just had a blast. And I flew out a day early because I had to get back to work. He ended up running into Alain Gail and Christopher and Chris Harrison and Chris Harrison in the airport on his way back from Mexico.

They were filming in Tulum. So that's awesome. How crazy. Yeah. So I was like, this is kind of funny. So I didn't mess out on a Mexican adventure, Mexico adventure over here. And I got to go with the person I love. So it was perfect.

How long were you together? We're still in L.A. together, so. Wait, you guys are together. For six years. Six years. No way, Amy, that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, so it's crazy because I think, like, oh, I wish that I were to stay in touch with some of the friends that really got along with.

And we still ping each other back on social media. It makes it really easy for that. But I guess I, I mean, I still get my best friend from my bachelor experience. It just happened after the fact. wait this is wild this is a story that hasn't been shared enough in bachelor nation pretty private like that i guess well hey from us to almost famous podcast congrats it's a big deal that's a bachelor success story we didn't even know about it thanks guys thanks guys how are you guys doing ben you're engaged i'm engaged Happily engaged, thrilled.

Ashley's happily married, I think, with two dogs. We are happily married and we have one dog, but that's fine. Well, there's always, she was at her parents' house. And so there's like six dogs barking up. Yeah, yeah. Oh, there she goes. She said, wanted to say hi. But yeah, depending on where we are in the country, we have a number of dogs.

Oh, Lois. Amy Long, you are a dream. Hey, congrats again on behalf of all of us. This is a bachelor success story that we will celebrate. Please tell Drew hello for us. And we really appreciate you coming on. And if all else failed, I think you made the right decision if my opinion matters at all by not going on Paradise and pursuing this relationship that has proven to stand the test of time. Amy Long, thank you. you great to see you guys bye amy thank you that's awesome amy thank you yeah of course i was actually hoping to stick up for one pavel a little bit more i'm not going to lie after rewatching his that episode i was like man i don't think that he had a fair shot uh we talked about it with charliean if it makes you feel any better okay yeah what she actually had to say i was like i agree 100% and I always admired the hell out of her because she is so sophisticated and elegant I was like wow she's killer yeah yeah she seems to be a consistent voice of not like reason and like

logic and just like a really caring voice um so yeah rough you don't just like you don't want to see these go yeah you don't want to see yeah you don't want to see these goat episodes go and drag somebody through it again and it kind of felt like it did right. right, which is tough, but yeah, he, that was rough. Well, I'm just, yeah, I was like, I wonder what he is doing today, but I don't know. I just, I was like, oh, man, he just got it so bad. But, you know, I'm really happy for you. It's really cool to be a bachelor family, and it was, this is a fun, like, revisit because

I won't lie, like, I kind of avoided it for a while, and I was really embarrassed. And then I was like, what am I embarrassed about? I was a student. No, you know, and I think there's always that moment where, you know, for me it was a little different because I got back, you know, I went from the Bachelorette to the Bachelor and I saw the beauty with, I think I got to see the beauty within the craziness of it all. And so I just like really have enjoyed meeting the different contestants and the people and their stories. And now seeing, you know, everybody come out on the better side of it all. Like I think that's good. It's not to be embarrassed by like, everyone.

Everybody has these crazy stories from the show. But yeah, I just appreciate you coming on because life has moved on. I'm engaged with somebody who's never been a part of the show. But it's fun to get to meet people like you who've done it, who've been in it. And, you know, I had no clue. And that's my fault that you were still, in a sense, in it. And I'm really happy to hear that. Ah, thank.

I'll pass that on to Drew. He'll like you a lot. Please do. So thanks, Amy. All right. Yeah, thanks, guys. Great to chat with you. me too well we want to thank charlene joint for uh joining this podcast she is a voice of reason

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Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts well our next guest was not a part of wampalo season we're getting a breath of fresh air from somebody that can offer it we have heather martin on the line right now heather has been working on a few projects she's been traveling the u.s and we have her live heather welcome to the podcast thanks for having me guys it's good to be here so Heather catch us up a little bit I know we have some specific things we want to talk to you about especially the new music video coming out some of your

projects that you're working on we also I have been following I think last uh evening this is going to come off so weird um and there's no other way to say it I watched you in the bathtub um with Hannah Brown answering questions to fans so you have been up to some stuff what's been going Yes. So, I mean, so right now, Hannah last minute last week, it was like, you want to come to this spa with me? So currently I'm at this insane health spa. So she said spa. I didn't realize. So I was thinking just like a relaxing spa. But we're at this like, it's called a health retreat. Yes. And it is insane. It's like absolutely stunning. And it's like European style in the hills. It's like absolutely beautiful. But it is insane. Like we're waking up at 6 a.m. And we're. And we're. working out like all day and then being like treated like queens and driving around in the golf cart and getting massages so it's been pretty cool but yeah we're you there for um it's a three day retreat so we leave today but that's awesome have you have you have you and hannah always been this close or has it been since she moved to california that you guys got closer oh no me and

Me and Hannah have always been super close. I haven't been able to see her as much just because she's been on TV shows, like, for the past year. But, no, yeah, we've all, we've been close forever since the show. The, this retreat. Yeah, again, I have been watching you. And this retreat does look amazing. Just for anybody out there listening who, you know, is like, hey, I need a girls get away or guys get away or couples get away whatever it is how are you feeling three days into a health and wellness

retreat has it been worth it for your friendship and for you personally it is totally been worth it i mean we're kind of i feel like we're not doing it in the way that everyone does it like last night we like so you're supposed to feel like 1500 calories a day and we just um we went crazy last night and like begged the front desk to let us get some popcorn and bachmoly and um sneak some pizza But no, it's been feeling amazing for the most part, as long as like, I feel like it would be even better if we're actually eating great. And but it's been, it's been great. And it's been so fun to, like, actually connect with Hannah again and, like, just have some one-on-one time. So, good for you guys.

So a new something, something that you have, Al, is a music video with Lawson Bates. It's a song called Song for a Girl. How did you get in a music video? So, so, so random. um it's been like my lifelong goal i'm like there's like if there's one thing i want to do in life is it was being a country music video which is like the most random thing but it was so he just randomly messaged gm me on instagram was like hey do i'm be in this music video and i was like no questions asked absolutely and so um yeah he like it would just message me in beginning of july

and then like two weeks later he like flew um 13 flew me and my little sister out to nashville and then yeah that's kind of how it happened That's so cool. You join a whole bunch of Bachelor girls who have been in music videos now. Tia has been in the country music video, right? And so is Hannah G. Hannah G. Am I making that up? Hannah G did a bunch. Like she was like, she like did a bunch of music videos, like even before the show. Is there anybody I'm missing? I think Hannah Ann. Oh yeah, Hannah Ann. Thank you. I knew there was another one. Yeah. I think she did on too. There's obviously a plan here. Country singers are singing, seeing that's a, target demographic did you know team that i was once in a country music video no but i was going to say i'm sure lauren bush now has been in a country music that would make sense yeah yeah that

that would make sense um i was in colt ford's uh country music video you can look it up i was a school teacher who was just greatly um hurt and confused by a girl it's it's a great a great watch wait what was what year is this This was last year. The song is How You Lose a Woman by Colt Ford. I do play a school teacher. I am, you know, in fact, I'm not going to give you too much away because I think you need to go out and watch this video. But before you do that, you have to watch Heather's video that just came out.

Ben, why wasn't this in Hot Topics last year? honestly i don't know you're like i eliminated it from the hot topics it is actually it's really fun um i was distressed but the crazy part is so heather i don't know if you had this experience but you're uh kind of acting out whatever it is that the the artist asks of you during this video and the kind of the music's playing in the background but you hear this song, 20, 30, 40, I don't know how many times. And it's, you know, there's multiple cameras and there's multiple camera crews and there's producers. It is a, it is an intensive experience. How long was your shoot? Was it one day or is it multiple days? There's just one day.

I like to consider myself a one take guy. So, yeah. And I, and I do know how to lose a woman no longer, but I did. And so I was pretty good at it. That's amazing. Was he in like the school the entire time? Like was she a fellow teacher? Uh, well, I don't really know who the woman was that he was referencing because she never showed up in the video. Oh.

Um, but, uh, Colt played, uh, the janitor who was kind of overhearing my complaints. And I was the school teacher in my office, frustrated, saddened her. I was making poor decisions. I was staying at work too late. Um, so when it comes to, though, Yeah, I'm not the topic here to talk about. I get to talk about myself all the time on this podcast. Heather, what is your song about?

It sounds amazing. What is the song that you played in? What is that about? So it's called song for a girl. So basically it's like a very like lighthearted song about he's singing a song. It's like a summertime vibe song that he's like singing it about. He can't like focus on. writing or anything that he's doing because he's just thinking about the girl so that's pretty

much it so yeah people magazine said it is depicting the early stage of a blossoming romance and when i see these pictures of you with lawson i think oh my god heather kissed another guy yeah what i'm saying that like i'm looking at these pictures and i'm feeling a blossoming romance between you two was there anything more than just co-stars here no yeah no no no there really wasn't there really wasn't he was he was literally he was so much fun but um yeah no unfortunately well according to last night's uh instagram live uh you are looking for a man with a servant's heart who is humble and kind I love that. Have you found this man?

I have not. I have not found this man yet. I feel like Ben, do you guys have any suggestions? They're few and far between. Well, we know a lot of people from the Bachelor franchise. I think some of them would fall into this category. For anybody out there right now that is single,

that is dating, how are you going about? finding this man or this partner for you me how am i yeah i'm really not i think that's the issue probably i mean start yeah i don't i don't really especially like right now it's like i don't know how do you meet people in this time it's really hard you know it's not easy i mean obviously you know there is the social distancing there is the pandemic i don't know if dating has ever been easy I don't remember any generation that said that, hey, dating is super simple. But I had some advice, and I got to give a shout out to our scrubbing in podcast friends, Becca and Tanya.

Tanya, a little over a year ago, gave me some advice to any single person out there. And this is what she told me. I think it's simple, but I think it's the best advice I've ever been given. She said, if you're single and you want a partner, some don't, that's great. if you're single and looking you can never stop dating keep dating go on bad dates go on good dates go on dates in between

it helps you not only get out there and find what you're looking for but it also helps you create stories and connect with people that you typically wouldn't connect with and I think for me I just took that and I've told any of my single friends at like if you're looking just don't stop dating get out there how fun people are interested

in all different sorts of people that is hilarious because it's the total opposite i recently told the friend she was like i'm just like i don't know i want to give up so bad um and i was like give up and i was like if you if you stop dating it doesn't mean that you're giving up it just means that like the universe is going to help is going to get your guide to you in a different way it'll just come in a different way no you know just like show up at your doorstep yeah like just going around life like go grabbing a coffee and like then there's a cute guy in line something like that i don't know you never know i know that's the thing is like i just i really i love meeting new people

and i love like connecting with people but i just i don't like i hate dating because like i hate going on a date and then then you just i feel like i kind of know immediately and it's like you have to say no to a second date it's just like I feel terrible it like stresses me out it makes me feel like a terrible human and so I just kind of try to avoid it which is probably the wrong move well you're young enough that if you want to avoid it you can go ahead and avoid it Ashley and I will disagree on this I think you just keep dating I think people can I think people can take getting said no to a few times I think you can you can take saying no to people a few times but you you are a catch you're a terrific human i hope you have a blast on this retreat and

and please from from ashley myself please pass on to hannah uh that we say hello and wishing her the best again if you want to find heather martin uh go listen to and watch song for a girl this is a beautiful song uh heather is in the video and it's by lawson bait song for a girl by Lawson Bates. Heather Martin, thank you for coming on. Awesome. Thanks, guys. Let's talk to you guys later. Bye. On this podcast, obviously at the beginning we topped on, at this podcast, obviously at the beginning, we hit some hot topics that are big in Bachelor Nation. We then went on to have some tremendous guests. We want to thank Charlene, Amy, and Heather for coming on the podcast today. They were all terrific and all insightful.

And then I want to thank my co-host, Ashley, for sitting, uh, with us for the last hour plus walking through everything Bachelor. Hey, we'll talk to you next week. We have a really great in-depth coming up, as we mentioned with Jason Tardick. It's going to be terrific. I'm super excited for that. Make sure you go back and check out our other in-depth over the last year. They're timeless.

You can get insight and gain insight from many past contestants. But until then, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. We'll talk to you soon, y'all. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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