The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - All’s Fair in Love and Roses with Chad Kultgen and Lizzy Pace from Game of Roses PART 2

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Our conversation with Chad Kultgen and Lizzy Pace (from the Game of Roses podcast and authors of “How to Win The Bachelor”) continues! We explore if Ashley would have ever graced the shores of Love Island and what we can expect from her on The Real Housewives of Rhode Island! Plus, what do our Bachelor game experts think about Taylor Frankie Paul???See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Search Lust, Cultureista. And listen to the full podcast now. This is the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast with IHeartRadio. We're back with Lizzie and Chad. From The Game of Roses podcast, we have more questions, more discussions. I'm intrigued. Ashley's intrigued. We just came off of a golden season

that you have both been publicly quoted by saying you did not enjoy it. I've also been like, wow, like Mel will never come on this podcast. I couldn't hold back. I think it would help us and our listeners because they've heard us for weeks now kind of walk through episode by episode

and break down what we liked and didn't like and what was missing and not missing. But we are doing it from an opinion and from our own personal opinions. We don't have any really study other than how we feel watching the show and how disconnected we felt watching this season. I also want to say this,

and I know I'm long-winded here, I had a lot of high hopes for the Golden Show. I did, and I still do. I don't think it's, I think somebody could take, take it over and really make it a success still. I think what we've seen this last season, it might be the death sentence for the current reality

that we know the golden to be. But what actually made from your opinions and the more study of it, what made this season so bad? And Mel is a lead so, you know, disconnected for the two of you. In my opinion, very simple. It's for TRR for the right reasons.

He was not. Before they even started shooting, he did that podcast where he basically said everything the Golden Bachelor is, I'm against it. And they were like, let's keep him. That's still a good guy to have. We don't need a recast. And then they shoot a whole goddamn season with the guy that

ends with him telling the two finalists, I'm not into getting married. Screw this. And even like Cindy said it. There's a wedding ring in the logo of the show, dude. What are you doing? So he was the antithesis of what the premise of the show is from before they started shooting to the final goddamn rose.

and on top of that this man was watching paint dry this is the most boring lead we have probably ever had so if you're going to be against the premise of the show and you're the lead at least be funny or crazy or something this guy gave us nothing most of his one-on-one conversations would be one of the players

being like so do you want to travel what do you like and he's just like yeah cool dude fun talk like it was unbearable to watch this man and unfortunately he had some incredible players on his season. And this goes back to what I was talking about earlier. You need to have like the lead

sole function really is kind of like the game master. You are selecting this order of 25 to 30 people which order they're getting kicked off. And the producers are manipulating that to some degree, but like you know who your top three are and the rest of it is just arranging those deck chairs in a way that is like entertaining enough and for the lead viable to be believable enough that they're kicking you off for a valid reason and the lead is not the asshole. Mel had this just smorgasbord of elite players in his season and they didn't get to play against him because I don't think he understood what he was supposed to be doing as a lead

he was just like I'm here to find somebody to date for two years and it's like oh my god dude what are you doing it's also season one we had Gary and you know whatever has come out now about Gary has come out but we were so emotionally connected to his storyline. And I'm, you know, I'm definitely the Ashley of Chad and I. Like, I'm extremely gullible and I cry a lot. And I cried in so many of those episodes.

Because Gary was like, he had this great PTC with his wife. And he was able to connect with these women and the players on that season were extraordinary. I wish they had had some repeats actually on this season. he felt very present with every person he's talking to at Mello couldn't I don't know where he was he was not in those conversations and they were they were pulling teeth there's an image from that season where it was right when Cindy self-eliminated which by the way is like a cardinal sin it's an error you never want to commit but I think she actually did it correctly yeah it's very rarely beneficial because it it immediately ends your screen time and who knows what you can do with any other screen time, you know. But I think she did it properly, actually. But there's a shot of Mel sitting there in a beach chair as the fireworks are going off behind him.

Just expressionless, just stone face in this moment that like usually in any other bachelor season, the lead is crying. The fireworks are a sad thing. He's just sitting there like, it looks like he's about to fall asleep. And that image to me was just like, that's it. That's the whole season right there. This woman that he's supposed. supposedly was on the way, in quotes, falling in love with her, whatever, left him.

And he's sitting under the fireworks by himself. It just doesn't give a shit. Now, my last comment to this, before I pass it back to Ashley, because she's probably over there, like, jumping up down on her chair wanting to talk. I literally am like raising my head over here. I'm not going to let her. There's one. There's one that I'm just burning for.

Yeah, I know. I know. I know you would be this way. And that's okay. But my only thing is, and I just want either reinforcement or I want to have the two of you as experts here shut me down. Coming off of the bachelor season, I've gotten, you know, people have talked to me about this comment I made. And some agree and some don't. But my argument is this season or the golden franchise in total would be better.

if they would have brought somebody in that's 83 years old who literally has, you know, a story maybe similar to Gary's or, you know, life has somehow passed them up. They've never met anybody, but they have that intimacy, that sweetness, that authenticity that we could relate with because I think that's why I liked the Golden Show was to watch my grandparents try to find this second chapter of life in a beautiful way.

So I guess my question is, would you, agree that this season, take Mel out of it, because I know you're going to say, well, anything would have been better than that. But do you think the Golden could be better if they were actually up the age group a little bit? I don't know if it has anything to do with necessarily the age. And I will give Mello the benefit of the doubt. I do kind of think that after after the podcast came out and he got so much hate, I do think he was very fond of. fearful and that maybe explains part of why he was so um tight-lipped during his season but like someone like charles coming off of um that's what i would love like to me that's like a sweet sweet man

i want to see that man find love i do think they had some candidates already he brought me more tears than any contested in history charles like legit like like tears in my eyes with my wife and I would watch it and we were like, I, I just love, I want this man to find that person. I think they would have had a really successful season with him. Exactly. That's 90% of it is like you are, the show for all of us in the fourth audience, myself and Lizzie included, is it's for us to live vicariously through these people, whether you're identifying with The Bachelor and you're like, oh my God, he's getting a second chance or she's getting a second chance at love later in life. We hope they find it. You're either on that

ride or you're on the ride with one of the players, whatever capacity that may be, like if you want them to win a rivalry or win a group day rose or whatever. And you just didn't have that with Mel. Nobody was living vicariously through Mel because it was unclear if he was even living at all in the program. It just like the decision is so bizarre to me. I know Jessica Castro came in as the showrunner of the Golden franchise for this season. It was her first season. And I don't think it was her fault. She got hamstrung. ABC was like, he's the guy. The podcast comes out. ABC is like, forget that. He's still the guy. They had time to recast this and they did not. So that begs the question, this is something that my Heather, my Heather, our producer, Heather, and I were talking

about last week, do you think that this was a choice by ABC executives? Like there was somebody in that upper echelon that was like, this must be. the Golden Bachelor, or do you think this was casting? I think it was ABC 100%. And I also, I think to me, this is just, again, my two cents. I have some data to back this up, if you will. But I think ABC, for the most part, has an attitude about the franchise. We've gotten what we've gotten out of it.

It's been a good run. I think they've kind of written it off. And they're just like throwing shit at the wall. And if it works, this is what I, this is what my little birdies are telling me. And so I think they're looking at it as like, yeah, whatever. We've already cast this guy. It's more work, more effort to try and cast somebody new. Who cares?

Golden does well for us. Or I guess even at that point, it was on a downward slope after John Vastos season. But the Taylor Frankie Paul thing, I think, is like them saying, let's do something crazy and see if we can revitalize this. We think it'll work, honestly. And hopefully the rising tide lifts all ships. And that'll be good for Golden and good for Bachelor and good for all the different pieces. the franchise. But, yeah, I think ABC just has this attitude of, like, it had a good run. Oh, okay. Wow.

I have no little birdies, but I think it's some sort of NFL conspiracy. To expand. I just think The Bachelor is super tied to the NFL, and they're like, okay, he's a football guy. He's good on paper. Because of Jesse and Colton and. Tyler Cameron. Yeah. I guess he was an NFL, Wake Forest, Matt James. They're like D1 college football and NFL is just a pipeline straight into the bachelor. How many cheerleaders you have and all that kind of stuff. What about Miss USA that? I feel like what's the pipeline for Missouism.

I think it's football and pageants. Those used to be the two pipelines. And by the way, I can confirm. I will confirm this that in the past, I don't know anymore. I can't speak to this current crew. know any of them. And Mike Fleiss is no longer he's still, I don't know, I think he's

still on the credit, so I don't really know what he's doing. Hiding in the shadows of the matcher. I don't really know what's happening there. But Ashley, I do know that there was an obsession with the NFL during our time and probably still exist

today with some executives that are still a part of it. Like a deep obsession with being close to the National Football League. not like a conspiracy tie. There's nothing secret about it other than this obsession. Wait, Jesse and Colton are the only people I can think that were actually in the NFL. And also this overlap where Jesse Palmer was hired because he's talented.

We love Jesse. He's great. He had an impossible role to fill. He also had a really, a really good contract with Disney that allowed him to be the host of The Bachelor for a lot. smaller amount of money than what Chris Harrison was getting paid. And so that just made sense. So there is that.

I do agree with that. Okay, well, I can keep you guys forever. Oh, no, no, no, you could continue. I was just going to say almost every season has at least one group date at an NFL stadium with a special celebrity NFL guest that's going to teach you how to play tackle football. And one player gets a concussion and they never mention it in the show. Something like that happens almost every season. And producer, Heather, is also saying that Ryan,

Ryan Sutter was in the NFL for a short time? What? Was he really? What? The poet? No, Ryan Sutter actually has the, and again, I love Ryan this, but I believe we can look this up. He has the shortest NFL in the history of the NFL. He was good, really good, played for, I believe, the Ravens. And on his very first play of the very first game got injured and never could play football again, I think it was a seven-second career he had in the NFL.

Why is this story so buried in our? lore for real I can't believe this yeah and then he became the poet laureate of Bachelor nation he's incredible yeah he's a great athlete I will I will actually find the article and send it to you guys

but we can fact check me he could have been great but he did get hurt that's incredible the question I've been dying to ask you guys for a bit now is your bachelor who never was especially we were talking about Cindy I thought that Cindy is probably my

golden bachelorette that may never be my ultimate bachelor who never was can i guess can i guess yes peter kraus yes that's that's mine too i still dream of the day it might it's not gonna happen he's engaged with a baby on the way we're so happy for him but that was a loss for us as a franchise oh god he's the one that got away for so many yes yeah it's rough even now you're bringing it up and i'm just like my day's ruined i know i know i I know. Almost like in my mind, he did have his own season. I know. Somewhere it exists in the multiverse, somewhere.

There is a planet Earth that has the Peter Carl's bachelor season in 2018 and we're all better off for it. I immediately think of Tyler Cameron and how hard everyone would fight if they were on that season. That's funny that like with time, Peter's, it's time that with time, with time, Peter's still the one that got away even though Tyler is like on the map I think Tyler's story played out perfectly the way that it did I think that Peter was

just such a bachelor I mean they gave him the edit of like he's the one that should be with Rachel and they kind of minimized Abasolo and that and I would say modern era Blake Moynes I think that guy got such a raw deal I know

it was dangled in front of him for many years and around And it was like, yep, this is going to happen. And then it just didn't. And he got passed over and passed over. And that guy has like some incredible stats. I think if he got the crown, he would be in contention for the greatest player of all time. I think he would, I mean, he won a ring.

So like that already puts him above Nick Viow, at least in terms of that one metric. But he also did what Viall did. He crashed a season, Katie Thurston's, and then won the ring of that season instead of coming in second place. He was also in Claire. Crawley's prior season. So he was in back-to-back seasons as a player, just like Vial. He did do some paradise. If he would have gotten the crown, I think that puts him over the top, but he never did. I also think Mike Johnson was robbed. Oh, God, yeah. We recently rewatch Hannah's season, and he is, he's electric on camera. Yeah.

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What do you guys think of Emily Maynard? Since Emily hasn't come up in conversation, I think she's a fantastic player. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And the stuff that they put her through was like wild. the race car group date. You're just like, are they doing this to her? I guess so.

Here we go. Like she had to endure some of the, I think some of the most malevolent producer practices, like maybe in the history of the show. And she came out of it like flawless. She was, her season was perfect as a rookie. Her bachelor at season was fantastic.

Yeah. She was definitely one of the, like on the Mount Rushmore Bachelor. She should be up there. We've also talked about her a lot recently, with Taylor Frankie Paul getting the call because she was a package deal. We know that they gave her like a record amount of money

to be the lead. And I'm like, if I'm Taylor Frankie Paul, I'm like, I want at least Maynard money. I might have a record for the lowest amount of money that any leads ever got paid. You're negotiating against yourself. You're like, I know you want to get me $200,000. How about?

we do it for 50? You're like, wait, you guys all didn't pay to be the lead? Yeah. I think it really could be a record. And yet, Ashley, we watch Emily Maynard have to go on a race car date and Ashley says, I trust these people. They have my best interest in mine. I totally would also.

Oh, my gosh. Despite all the evidence. I have just seen too much at this point in terms of like, we've been doing our show Game of Rose's for about six years over the course. of it every once in a while I just get a weird DM from a player a producer whatever meet me at the peninsula hotel 11 tonight I'll tell you everything and then I'm shown documents I'm shown all kinds of stuff that no civilian should ever have laid eyes on and it's like the the picture of what this thing is now to me is clear in a way that I think is maybe not clear even to players and stuff at

this point the uh to kind of close here let's uh we have five minutes and tell our next thing. Do you have any questions for us? Obviously, we can turn the table a little bit. I know there's probably some stuff sitting out there. Do you have any questions for Ashley or myself as we close? God. I'm like, oh, Jesus, how do I parse down 2,000 questions into one or two?

Well, okay, this could be our part too. For real. I would love to go through both of your rookie seasons with you, like play by play at some point if possible. But my question is, would you have done, I guess, let me ask this one. If you could be a lead, Ben, in any other era, what would you have changed it?

Or do you think you were a lead at the right time? I think I said earlier. I think I was a lead at the right time. I do think that, and this will be very self-promoting of me. I always get weirded out when I do. I think I could help the show today because I do think there's an like there was an earnestness and authenticity to my pursuit of if this doesn't work out at least I hope the contestants

enjoy being here. And so let's try to make the most of a really weird situation. And as a result of that, let me really focus on the human stories coming out of this because I think if anything else, at least their stories could be told and they'll get to know themselves a little better. I do think that could help the show today because I don't know how well the recent leads have pulled

those stories out of people and said, hey, no, this is going to be good. We're not going to expose you and hurt you. Let's do this and make it a good thing. So I do think today would be something that could be fun to be a part of. But I think I was at the right time because it was coming off of all these

so many different personalities leading a show. Caitlin and I could have been more different. Yeah. But the best of friends. But yeah, I think today. All right. Ashley, my question for you is, if you were back in your playing days and Love Island would have existed, would you have gone on Love Island? No.

I say this as somebody who's only watched one episode of Love Island, like during COVID. So it was years ago. Okay. I had to turn it off because I was so uncomfortable. based on how sexual was. Oh, I see. The guy was, like, showing off that he had slept with 400 women, and I was like, I just, this is so yucky to me.

So, like, that kind of raunchy just doesn't appeal to me, even though I would have been, like, some sort of weird unicorn in that universe. I still, I don't think it would, I would have fared well in that environment with, like, all these, like, horny people. I think you would have been a superstar popping out of whatever season you were on because of your, what we call a PVC personal virginity card. I think it would have isolated you from the other players and allowed you to play a certain structured game that they can't play where you can kind of like do a, you know, less,

as you put it, raunchy version of all the challenges. So you don't have to be twerking. You don't have to have the guys grinding on you. And because of that, you become kind of like an elevated player in that player pool. A better version of Bell Dash. If you watch that episode. I do want to ask you guys, like um where do i point up by like marrying somebody that nobody thought i would marry a million yeah i mean it's it's one of the greatest out of game plays while still in the player pool i mean legit it is because you kind of came into your paradise season with that as an agenda all laser focused on jared you know and now here you have this life with him and a family and a business and all this stuff. It's wild to me. And I think, like, Lizzie and I always talk about, like,

where do we define play? Is it only in game? Is it only in the document? Or does what happens to these people after the, like with Vial's podcast and Caitlin Bristow's podcast and all of her hosting jobs and stuff, is that part of their, you know, kind of career? I always think there's some gray area, but I will say your post game career is like it doesn't, you're, you're in like the top two or three, I think of all Bachelor players in the history of the game. I watched that whole, like, hour-long thing when you got together on YouTube, and I never watched YouTube. Me neither.

There's also this really beautiful, like, nobody that worked on the show didn't believe that Ashley and Jared would end up together one day. They just knew it. Nobody on the show. Oh, everybody knew. Like the producers. And so there was a really, I know so. There's a really beautiful, I think, way that the show navigator.

their relationship because they kept bringing them back into the right moments to elevate their time together. And I don't think we see that kind of, I'm just using your words, gameplay from the show today, that strategy of this is a couple that people are going to love. It's going to enhance our brand. It's going to help us get known as the show for love. And so let's keep bringing them back. Let's keep giving them touch points. Let's keep them around the live events together. And that was very strategic. That was very much a, they're going to figure it out one day. We just don't know when. And so let's keep them around until they do. God, that's almost heartbreaking to hear because it's like, it's so different now. Now it's just like, get him in there. We need three

engagements. Here's $500,000 separate into three arbitrary envelopes of random amounts of money. And you're just like, what am I watching? What is going on? I think we can all know, though, who masterminded that strategy and who was. in it long enough to say the long play here is better than the forced play of this. So let's keep this going. And if you were in that crowd at the time, if you probably weren't Ashley or Jared, you're like, no, this is 100% what they're doing. Ashley and Jared were just on their own little journey at the pace they needed to be so that they can have a beautiful family and a beautiful marriage.

We often think we know our type in dating. Tall, funny a certain job, but the research shows we're usually not the best predictors of who will actually make us the happiest. As we often say on the Happiness Lab, our minds lie to us about all kinds of stuff, and that definitely includes the kinds of things we need to be happy in a relationship. That's why it helps to stay curious. On Bumble, features like shared interests and prompts make it easy to notice right on someone's profile initial sparks of compatibility, like a shared love of cooking or the same nostalgic TV shows. Shared interests and prompts let you showcase your personality right on your profile and connect with people who get your vibe. And with photo and

ID verification, you can feel confident the person you're talking to is real, so you can date with a bit more confidence. When you treat dating as exploration, instead of sticking to a rigid type, you open yourself up to happier, more meaningful connections. So maybe your type isn't tall, dark, and mysterious. Maybe it's Love's podcast as much as you do. Stay open, stay curious, and let yourself be surprised. Download Bumble today. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the

notorious killer in New York since the son of Sam available now listen for free on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts hey there dr jesse mills here i'm the director of the men's clinic at ucla health and i want to tell you about my new podcast called the mailroom and i'm jordan the show's producer and like a lot of guys i haven't been to the doctor in many years i'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking but aren't because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their faces hanging off, or they've broken a bone. Depends which bone. Well, that's true. Every week, we're breaking down the unique world of men's health,

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And that is a huge part of somebody's life. Yes. And it was not on his season. Not only was it not on his season. Like he barely talked about why that relationship ended, whether it was because she now is going to be in, a relationship with a woman or not like the whole thing of of why that ended how he dealt with it just was never discussed and so even that like one of the biggest pieces of the golden franchise is have you been married before if yes what happened with that are you divorced is your spouse no longer

with us you know what are the the kind of particulars of those situations do a lot to paint sympathy for all of these different players and we never got that for him so i mean he was just like yeah we got divorce anyway. I like football. Huh? If we knew, if he was talking about like his wife leaving him for a woman, we would have definitely been more sympathetic, I feel like. It could have been not his story to tell though, either. Yeah, it could be that. You know, but I do agree there was a line there where it was like, could you tell any story? Like, you don't have to go into the details of her life and what happened and where she's at now. I know that could seem inappropriate and it's disrespectful.

But goodness, could you tell anything? Like, anything at all? Give us something to feel here. And I think we missed it. Lizzie, we haven't got to you. As we close up here, do you have any questions for Ashley or myself that you want to ask? Ashley, which housewife would you say?

did you try to model your play style after if you could pick one? This is a great question because I thought that the people that would go into The Bachelor without having watched The Bachelor were absolutely insane people because I was such a fan being part of it before I was part of it. And I actually have never watched the Housewives franchise. I know. Oh, my God. Maybe it was good that I haven't because maybe I would have been too scared.

it was definitely a debate on whether or not I would do it or not not I'll be a debate between me and Jared I mean like our minds just like the collective like lifestyle debate how did you end up doing it I had assumed you were an avid watcher

not at all my mom would watch the OG New York housewives so like I know Ramona and like that whole crew so I did not model my play after anyone and I wish I can speak more but I feel like PR would be like

if I say anymore but I would love to at one point like maybe with one of their reps on here like just give a little bit more my favorites are Potomac and Salt Lake City if you are going to start and for what it's worth I think just based on like what I know of your play style

in The Bachelor I think this has actually been official for you. Again, I think you're kind of like a Taylor Frankie Paul type player that just has it that understands the game of reality TV at like a cellular level. And I think if you if you go in with too many strategies and shit, it might actually screw up your play style. I love this. She said, thanks. She was born to be a reality star. Here's going to be the fun part and it's a good promotion. See, I would have heard that Ashley and I've been like, that's not a compliment. And you're like, no, thank you. I do. I was made for this moment. um unreal but it's going to be a fun ride so chad and lizzie we're going to break down obviously real housewives

rhode island here at the almost famous podcast i've never watched an episode and it is something like i had to watch perfect match this year and it threw me for a loop mentally for months you enjoyed it i did because it was so abnormally odd to me on how somebody can lick ice off as somebody else's thigh within 10 minutes of meeting them. I was like, I don't get it. I don't know how that happens. This is the only place it could happen where it's not like weird. And so we're going to be breaking it down. I think it's going to be a lot of fun because I'm assuming I'm going to have a lot of questions for Ashley, a lot of moments of, are you serious? What was this like? And I'm excited to watch it too for the first time. And we'll be doing it here. And so maybe when we do, Lizzie,

you can come back on and kind of give your breakdown of Ashley's performance. Yeah, like, Lizzie, you're going to need to train me. I cannot wait. I will say I watched the trailer. There was not enough Ashley I in it for me, but, you know, it's just one trailer. Well. I can't say anything. I know.

I was going to wait until you do it. Hey, again, the Game of Rose's podcast is a great listen, along with the book, How to Win the Bachelor. Chad and Lizzie, thank you for coming on. Thank you for chatting with us, giving us all your insights, all your things. If there's anything else, if there's any monumental moments in the franchise, where you're like, we got to talk to Ashley and been about it. Please let us know, you're a joy to talk to in an interview, unlike most we ever have. Still in when one of us are gone.

Yeah, come, jump on. I am about to go on maternity leave, but we should definitely, thank you. We would have no idea. You're prankers right there. I am dying. No, I'll be fine. But before Taylor Frankie Paul's season, we should definitely have you guys on.

Like, this is a true honor. Two of the dope. So fun. Thank you, guys. We appreciate it. Until next time, this has been the Almost Famous Podcast, and I've been Ben. I've been Ashley.

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