The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous In Depth: Amanda Stanton

Episode Date: June 27, 2019

Ben and Ashley sit down with Amanda Stanton for an IN DEPTH honest conversation about her life. She tells us never before heard details about her break up with Bobby Jacobs and she shares a terrifying story when her pictures were hacked.And, what her life was like before going on Ben's season and what she has in the works for the future.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know why? I want to diet. I know I am too. I've been trying to be better, but like I've gone three days without it. So I'm drinking a glass of wine. We'll see what this takes me. This could get weird for me today. But we're here with one of our favorite people, Amanda Stanton.

Amanda Stanton was on Ben Higgins' season of The Bachelor. She's also appeared on Paradise. I had a couple relationships that we'll talk about during the podcast. A lot of lessons learned, a lot of amazing accomplishments along the way. But I want to set the mood right now. We're having a glass of wine. We're sitting across from each other at a beautiful table and a beautiful resort

with a fire going and it's raining outside. So if I start snoring, because I'm pretty relaxed. I feel like Ben's like doing a fireside chat right now. I might put you to sleep. It's kind of it. It's a fireside chat. Amanda, welcome to the podcast.

Thanks for having me. Can I ask her a little, like, warm up question? I would love for you too. Since we are in Napa and we are drinking wine, what is your wine of choice? So, well, right now we're drinking Chardonnay. So I'm a big white wine person. You are, okay. But I've been really into like the Sauvignon Blanc lately.

Isn't that white? It's white. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but I used to be like strictly Chardonnay. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.

You're like a housewife. of Orange County, basically. Basically, yeah. I'm on my way there. Okay. That could really be your next show. I'm sure you could find your way on there. Oh, gosh.

Amanda, I want to start this whole thing. Okay. We're talking about, let's backtrack. Let's start in the middle. We'll backtrack after that. Okay. I met you, obviously, during the Bachelor. I remember you from night one because you have this, like,

and I think Ashley will completely agree. with me. You have this beauty about you that radiates and stands out. And I remember on night one going, that girl is gorgeous and she doesn't talk. Yeah. Doesn't talk. Didn't say a word. Like we sat down. Really? I was terrified. When I think of Amanda, I think of her being a talker actually. She's just quiet, but I think her voice is awesome. Oh, thanks that. I do. No, I always thought that you had a bad rap. You really were that shy night one? No, yeah. So I think what a lot of people don't realize is like when I went on the show I was a single mom I like hadn't even got my nails done in two years I was with my kids all the time because my family lived across the country they lived in well not

across but in St. Louis so I was like far away from them and I had my kids full time at the time so like I just hadn't been social in a really long time and then I was kind of being like thrown into that so my mom's actually the one that nominated me for the show and I remember when the car was coming to pick me up to take me there I was like I don't think think I can do it. Like, I don't want to go. My mom was like, you better get in the car, Amanda. And so I went. But I was just like a deer in headlights. Like, I was so nervous just because, like, I had never been away from my kids. I'd never been social. I hadn't gone on the date and forever. So it was just like a lot for me. I was super overwhelmed. Was Ben your first date

since your husband? Yeah. He was, it was like my first date was like our Mexico date on the hot air balloon. This is my first date in like a very long time. Did you know that was fun? It was fun. Yeah. Yeah. It was great. But, um, it was my first date was like. But, um, It was just different for me because, like, you know, most of the girls that were going on the show had been, like, single for a while or they were young and just my life was just very different before then. So I was nervous. You know, one of the things that stand out to me about the season of The Bachelor is the only time I ever got really mad at the show. Yeah. They made me tuck Amanda's kids in the bed.

Oh. And I went to her hometown and I was excited about meeting her family. And I remember setting a ground rule. I'm not going to, I'm not going to tuck her kids in the bed. Yeah. And I knew that was something. that everybody wanted to have happen and I felt like at the time it was I remember the scenario we're sitting in the living room and somebody comes in and they go okay it's time for bed

Ben how about you go tuck the kids in and I felt like I was put on the spot in that moment and it was the only time I punched the window in the van on the way home because I was so angry because I felt like I was going to destroy those kids and also Amanda you know was sitting there and I knew that had to have a big impact because I was that first day I was those kids first interaction with another man that had been around their mom. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think the thing is, I mean, that day specifically,

there were so many other people around, and it was just a crazy day for them, too. I hadn't seen them in, like, six weeks. It was the longest I'd ever been away from them. And then we went to the beach, but it was like, you were there, but there was also producers and tons of other people around. So I don't think they really, like, understood the situation,

if that makes sense. They're a little older now, so now they get it. Like if I would bring a guy around, they'd be like, who is this? This is your boyfriend. But I mean, Charlie, it's so funny when I, like, watched that whole episode back. She was literally a baby. Yeah. She was so small.

So she, like, she couldn't even talk. So she didn't know. She couldn't talk yet? No. I mean, no. Yeah. Yeah. She was a baby.

Yeah. Oh. Ben, did you know going into top four that you thought that it would probably be the week that Amanda was going to go home? Or were you really just did not know where you stood with her? her, Kayla at the time, between the two of them. Quite honestly, I knew that that was the moment still that Lauren and Jojo were standing out. Which is why I singled out Kayla.

Yeah, and Amanda and Kayla were there. And I think, if I remember my thought process, which it was with Becca as well, right? I thought Becca was incredible, Tilly. Yeah. And still as day, I love Becca. But it was almost like, in my mind at the time, it was how long do you want? to keep somebody around when you know at the end it's going to be somebody else yeah yeah and after meeting amanda's kids i was like how much do you want to keep a mom away from kids

like how long can you continue to do that knowing that you know at the end of this it's going to be one of two other people and probably the one person but even then you know i know it gets weird and i i think i feel for any bachelor down to that final four or bachelorette because you do care about them all because you've met their families at this point and we had a great great hometown I got to meet the whole family, the sister. And like you said, there were two kids, and they were babies at the time. But Kinsey still had, I remember you told me in the show,

like, Kins had this personality that was, like, radiant. And you were like, I remember this, we're driving the car in Malibu, and you said, or no, it was Orange County. Yeah. And you said, Kinz is really my best friend. And I was like, that's funny. That's a really cute mom thing to say.

And then I met her. No, like, actually. Yeah. I mean, like, makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Tell us a little bit of who is, like, we see it on. Instagram they have this massive personalities yeah but why does she stand out like that like

why is she your best your daughter intimidates me to be honest no yeah she's yeah she's like she's something else um so when she was born it was funny because like as soon as we took her home from the hospital like she already had a personality it was the funniest thing like she's always just been like super funny and she just kids um but shortly after so a lot of people don't know this but when she was about 10 months old I actually split from her dad and I moved out and we moved this is before my parents moved to St. Louis. We moved back into my parents' house. So like we just kind of been through a lot and it was just us too. And so we just like kind of had this bond like it was just like me and her, you know? And so we had that for a while and then I ended up getting

back together with her dad. But then we had Charlie and she was kind of the baby and Kins was always like my helper she was my little sidekick like she's always looked out for me all the time and I think a lot of people don't understand that really kind of relationship but like she's like very protective over me she's really mature for her age I don't know I just I have a very different relationship with Kins and I do with Charlie Charlie's like my baby I'm like obsessed with her I still baby talker but me and Kins are just like best friends she's like my little sidekick we've been through a lot together so can you yeah I'm just intrigued because like for all the moms out there listening yeah like they get this I don't like I'm I said it last week

I'm always learning something new. Last week I learned about braw size. Yeah. I have no clue. But can you explain a little bit like how you believe that works? Like why is it that Kins has looked at you as a friend and like tried to protect you and had a maturity level that's far beyond her age? Yeah.

She's six or seven now. She just turned seven. I mean, I think part of it just like that's who she is like as a person. But then I think part of it also like I said is because we like went through a lot together like when she was younger and then she was kind of my helper always with Charlie and I don't know I think it's a lot of things but I also just think it's just kind of her personality she's just like an old soul and like a kid's body so does she grill guys that you bring home yeah so it's funny because she's very protective of me and she's I know a lot of people think that they've met all these guys and it's very far from the truth

that's my neck closure but yeah yeah so I'll explain that but um with my last relationship she was so weird about it she wouldn't even like throughout her entire relationship she wouldn't let us like sit next together on the couch like if she was around she'd have to like be in the middle like she's very protective she like wants me all to herself all the time but i don't know i think it also just depends on the person because when i was with josh after the show she wasn't like that so i think it's just kind of i don't know just depends that's super interesting yeah so the public bachelor nation does have this perception that you've brought four guys home specifically the ones that have been public relationships. Ben, Josh, Robbie, and then Bobby. Robbie and Bobby. But the girls

have met all of them, right? I know that they never got close to Robbie. Yeah. So they met Ben, but it was just that one day when we were filming. And then obviously they were close to Josh because you moved in with us for a while. But, you know, at that time, like I actually thought, like, oh, this is the person I'm going to be with. Like, this is the person I'm going to marry. So, you know, that didn't work out. Things don't always go as planned. But then Robbie, Robbie never met the kids. He was never around them, never came to our house when they were there. The only time he ever even saw them was like briefly in the car

when they were strapped in the back of their car seats for like two seconds. But he's never, ever met them. So I always thought it was weird. I think he's mentioned it a few times. I was like, you never met my kids. We could get a little of Robbie tangent, but I don't think that would be helpful for anybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyways, I get a little defensive there.

But yeah, no, he didn't. And then obviously Bobby met them. But I waited a while to introduce Bobby to them too. And he didn't live with us. Yeah. He didn't live with you until like the last month of your relationship or something? Last like two weeks. Okay.

Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. So we didn't live together. Would there be sleepovers with them with them around? Not really because they go to their dad's house. So I was always pretty good about like, well, only like you can only sleep over when the kids are with their dad. So yeah, not really.

Yeah. Let's, before we dive in, because I do want to make sure. that on this because the relationships that have been on the the show are public and I think there's been so much left to the imagination it really you know the questions of how many how many times who have these guys met the kids and how much time they've been around them and like this stuff doesn't get seen and I want to dive into that but before I do that I really want to focus because you launched off on the bachelor and and you were this quiet figure who kind of went through this whole process and it wasn't for a long time until I found out that you even had kids.

kids. Is there anything else during this time on the show that you wish you would have told me or that was kind of left to the imagination or there's anything you would have done differently and not to like win my heart over right? Like that's not the, that shouldn't be the ultimate goal. But like just to better express who you are. Yeah. No, actually I think I even said this on the show was like I'm like super happy on my own and I think the biggest misconception about me is I think people think that I'm, like, constantly searching for, like, a guy or, like, a dad for my kids or something, and it's so far from the truth. I actually enjoy being single. I love just doing my own thing with my girls. And I think I kind of even said that on your season. I think I said something, like, if I meet someone who makes my life better, then that's great. But I'm not, like, desperately looking for somebody. And I think that's, like, the one thing that just, like, shocks me, people are always like, oh, my God, you're so focused on, like, finding a guy. I think obviously because I was on a show where it's kind of what you're doing.

People assume that that's all I care about. But I think that's probably the biggest misconception about me just because I actually really like being single. And are you enjoying right now being single? Yeah. I'm like loving it right now. So I think a lot of people were like concerned about you at the end because people were like, oh my gosh, she's been so public with Bobby.

And you even made a comment, did you make a comment about how like you saw him being the person you were going to marry before the breakup? Gosh, so this was like probably two weeks or a week and a half before he broke up with me. We did an interview with us weekly because my clothing line was about to launch. And so we did this whole interview where they came to our house and they asked questions. And I remember they asked me that question. And like, you know, sometimes when you're doing an interview, they'll ask you a question that you're not like fully comfortable answering, but you answer it anyways. And I didn't even think they would use it because they asked so many.

And then they ended up running it. It was me being like, I can see him as like my future husband. But it wasn't like. I said that about Chris Sol's guys. So don't hold it too strong. It was more like, yeah, like I was put on the spot and I was asked. So like, you know, in the article, it looks like I was just like talking about him saying like, oh, I want to marry him. But really I was like being asked that and I was like a little uncomfortable.

But I mean, obviously when we moved in together, I kind of told him like this is a big deal for me because I have kids and I never wanted to move someone in with the kids if I didn't see that lasting. So I mean, I did. But I don't know. I just, I think I handled this breakup a lot differently than I have in the past. So to give a little bit of perspective, let's, can we, I want to do this in a timeline, right? Okay. So let's start with The Bachelor and let's move through these relationships. Got it.

Because I think what we're going to find and knowing you, the little bit that I do, this timeline is going to make more sense to the listener at the end that you're going to continue to have grown. I believe, you know, the famous quote is that we're products of our mistakes or failures, but we don't have to be presenters of it. And I think that's exactly true for you, right? you've continued to even though in the public's eyes we've seen a couple relationships a breakup and then you know we're like oh no it's happened again yeah and then we maybe see the next relationship because that's what you're going to promote but we don't see the in between and the lessons learned and and the things that you've built upon them so you know the bachelor left and as we just said like what would you have taken away what did you learn from that and and you just

mentioned, you know, it built the strength and, like, your character and you started to speak out about your family and you got maybe a little more confidence. Yeah. And then you went to Paradise. And Ashley is obviously, I always love to hear Ashley's perspective on Paradise because she's been there and she found her love there. And Ben hasn't experienced it. Yeah. And so it's fascinating. It's fascinating to me because I haven't been there and I don't know what that looks like. Yeah. But you met Josh. Yes. And that was, I think, I was with Lauren at the time. I was. I was still with Lauren when you met Josh. And I remember the phone call that she got from you saying,

hey, I'm with somebody and we said who. And you said, Josh. And I said, oh. But outside of the public, what drew you to him? I mean, okay. He has some good qualities. He also is, like, I want to let Amanda say this. But like from a girl's perspective, when you first get to know Josh,

like in your first encounters, extremely charming and he's like a magnet. He's a magnet for women. Yeah. He's a gaston, as I always call him. Yeah. So he's, he's very charming. He's like, he just, like, like, when I came off of The Bachelor, I was like finally being able to like put myself out there more. I was like becoming a little more confident. And I still kind of had a relationship in a long time because, you know, I guess, you know, Ben doesn't really count. So I think it was also, like you said, he's just so charming um but also just he was like so into me from like day one and i think that just felt so good to have somebody just be like so infatuated with me and he was cute he told me

all the right things um he really i mean he has a lot of good qualities you know so there were things that attract me to him well and i'm going to grill a little bit and you pull back if you're like okay this is was there enough for you why say yes to a proposal I mean, looking back now, I think it's ridiculous in general to get engaged after three weeks of knowing somebody. And I think in the beginning of a relationship, everyone's nice. And especially in we're in an environment where it's not really real life. We're not working.

There's really no stress. We're just sitting on a beach all day. I didn't meet his friends. I didn't meet his family. But I just think, you know, it was like that infatuation, I think. That was the reason why I was like, yes. Like everything that he was saying was like, oh, well, that's exactly what I want. Like he wanted kids.

He loved kids. You couldn't wait to meet my kids. Like everything that he said was just so exactly what I was looking for that I was like, oh my God, this is perfect. In paradise, you can talk like that too and you never show how you actually are. So what was she's-

I don't understand that. Like you can just like talk about what you like and how you deal with regular life and your morals and your values. But you're not actually that way. But you're not actually like in like an environment in which like they shine or are exposed. Yes. Yeah, exactly. So, I don't know. I mean, you can, you can attest to it. Like, he kind of like, he could be cool. Oh, I was, I'm going to be, I was totally pro of the two of them. I liked the way they were together. They were like so in love and infatuated and like the lust was heavy. And I couldn't

even, there was not an ounce of me that really wanted to be like, Amanda, you shouldn't. There's a reason that they never showed me talking to you, um, about my worries about. him or in ITM's worried about you with him because I just thought I liked you guys together a lot yeah and he had only shown me kindness yeah that makes sense I mean yeah and I haven't been there it makes sense when you watch Paradise so it's worked for a few but yeah you're showing your best side so every once in a we're getting really lucky you're actually I think when somebody is generally authentic from the beginning and you assume that about the person then it could work afterwards. But when that changes, things go bad. It's interesting, though, because now you're

really close with Andy Dorman. Yeah. Is that odd? Have you bonded over Josh? Is that odd? Okay, so it's funny because the first time we hung out was a while ago out in New York, probably like almost two years ago. And the first time we hung out, we talked about him a little bit, but it's funny because now we hang out and everybody will like, we posted a photo together at stagecoach and people will be like oh my god I bet you like they talk about Josh and we actually don't anymore it's like maybe the first time that we hung out we did but now like we we don't talk about him at all anymore yeah he's been out of your lives for years yeah exactly so like we don't really talk about him at all but yeah at first we did you know I want to I want to pause here for a second because I don't want

this to feel like we're going to continue to pull back your past through the whole podcast I don't want this to be a bachelor this isn't what the in-depth is it's not pulling back bachelor stories for the whole thing but we need to get through this to get to the end, which is where we're going to talk about you and where you're at today. Yeah. And the lessons learned. Okay. But I think these stories will help our listeners understand you more.

And so for everybody at the listening, Amanda is a lot more than this. And we have a lot to talk about at the end when it comes to some of the cool stuff that she's doing. But for now, let's continue to dive in to. Let's get back to the dirt. Let's get back into paradise. So your relationship with Josh ended. Yeah. Is there anything else that you feel like hasn't been communicated when your relationship with Josh that you want the public to know now?

I mean, that was the hardest breakup I've ever been through, like even to this day because like, I mean, I think you guys probably get it too. Like you've had that one relationship where like you were like so in love and like that spark was there. And I feel like that's the hardest thing to get over sometimes because I really thought for a while that like, oh my God, like this is too good to be true. like he's perfect um and so it was really hard for me because just as we as he moved in and just you know as time went on i could just tell that things weren't going to end up working but it was still really hard for me to break up with him because i cared about him um so after we broke up we actually went back and forth for a little while yeah like we were still talking and i mean things never really changed i feel like it just got kind of got worse after that because it was like a gray area

um but yeah it's still to this day like the hard of breakup i've ever gone through so going off off that um i think that when it comes to breakups when there is like that initial like crazy feeling the frenzy i think it's usually the daydreams dying the daydreams that you had about your life with that person dying that is the hardest thing to move on from it's not them it's like the daydreams that you had about your future yeah yeah yeah like all the plans that you had and and it's funny too like i think I recently was broken up with, but in the past I've always been the one to break up with somebody else. And I just think it's so much harder because I started doubting myself like, well,

should I have tried harder? Did I really need to do that? And I think that was kind of the hardest part was just like wondering if I made the right decision or not. But yeah. I know I've been talking a lot about Jared and my upcoming wedding, but the thing that you may not know that is my ultimate way of relaxing when I'm feeling overwhelmed with work and wedding planning which is basically a second job I take a long hot bath or shower and then when I get out I put my feet on the coziest bath mat ever that I got from our crate and barrel registry then I wrap myself in a Turkish robe they are the fluffiest thing and then I plop on the couch and I've got my lotions that I got from crate and barrel in all these nice little containers.

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I think we've gotten a lot of emails in the past about breakups yeah and about that back and forth can be friends with exes and how does that operate but with Josh it did linger and you've been open up to share that how did you know when it was done um so to be completely honest so we broke up back in I can't remember when it was and we were just going back and forth just but it was like private and I think like we didn't weren't very public about it I think we like got caught one time like out at dinner or something but like I didn't even told my family that I was hanging out with him um but I think it just wasn't going anywhere like after months and months and we were like we were fighting more when we were trying to work on things than we were when we were together just

because it was in that like gray area where there's like you don't really know the boundaries um and I just think it got to a point where we were both just kind of like exhausted so yeah did you break up with Josh spur on the idea of writing a book. Is Josh like the main reason that you wrote this book? And is he the result of now two Bachelorette books? I was, I was telling my mom actually was talking about it. I was like, he's like the reverse Taylor Swift. He write books about him. Because it was not fun. Not because it was whimsical. Yeah, but honestly, like I had always wanted to write a book and a lot of, The reason I wanted to write a book was more about, like, being a single mom and all that kind of stuff.

But he definitely, uh, that relationship motivated me a little bit more. And what's it called? It's called now accepting roses. And it comes out in September. Yeah. So it's weird because I've been writing it for so long. Like, it was a really long process, but I'm really excited for it to come out finally. We, uh, I was able to be a part of the process.

And later on, I can't, I can't wait to talk to you about it. Yeah. Um, and read it. You know, you've, you've obviously, I think you've, writing a book makes sense because then following Josh you started dating Robbie Hayes well kind of dating dating yeah when you say kind of what do you mean by kind of I mean okay anyone who watched Bachelor in Paradise could tell that I wasn't like that was a Josh status yeah and I think he just became my friend throughout it like everybody was coupled up everyone had their

people and like he was like my person like he was the person I hung out with the most and it wasn't really that I really liked him, it was more just like he was my friend, like he was my best friend there. So after I broke up with him on the show when I got home, like, he was the one that I wanted to like call and talk to you about everything. And he like hated me. So I was like, well, let's meet up, let's hang out. We ended up hanging out a few times after the show. He hated you? He hated me. On the show? No, no, after I broke up with him on the show. He like hated me. And then I felt terrible because I was like. You broke up with them on the show, but you still intended to hang out when you got back to L.A. You just couldn't like continue the show as like a committed couple.

But I think he was under the impression we were like going to leave the show together as a couple. So I think he was kind of surprised. And he hated me after like after that for like for like a couple days, not like a long period of time. You know, he was just like upset. So there's this phenomenon with Bachelor and Paradise where it is strongly encouraged for you to get engaged or, you know, leave alone. Because this show is about the show The Bachelor, The Bachelorette and Paradise is more about finding like lifelong relationships, not just somebody that you're going to like date for a while. like maybe you'll see for a couple months or you're going to continue to like test out the waters yeah so that's what you had with robbie it's what i had once and i think it's kind of

confusing to the audience because they're like oh why are they still talking it's like well because we probably figured that we weren't going to get married yeah but we still wanted to see each other a little bit yeah and i mean i just to bring up a couple that makes like there's breakups last year on the show that then they do they become friends and they get back together which happened to you and Robbie. Right? Yeah. I mean, you guys continue to talk. Where did that lead? Like, walk us through how that relationship ended up moving forward. And where did that end? So, I mean, before I was going on, Paradise, I already had this, like, idea of Robbie where I was just never thought in a million years that I would ever go for him.

But then throughout the show, I mean, he was really sweet to me on the show. And like I said, we became friends. Like, he was my best friend while filming that season. But I just knew it wasn't going anywhere. Like, you saw me in Paradise Season 1. Like, it just wasn't, it wasn't the same. I just didn't really have, like, strong feelings for him. So that's why we ended it.

But then when we got home, it was like, I still wanted to talk. I still wanted to hang out. And so we did a little bit. But after that, it was kind of, like, a different Robbie. Like, the Robbie that I heard about or the Robbie that I, like, thought that I would never go for is kind of who he was when we got home. Um, and it just, it was like, you know, like I said, I was the one that was saying, like, I, you could tell if you watch this story, I wasn't really that into him, but at the end of the day, it was kind of like a respect thing. Like, we don't have to date, but like, at least be respectful. Um, and I'm sure you guys know about everything that happened after that, the whole concert, all that stuff. It's bringing, you know, memories back to me. I can't remember specifically. Oh, the concert. The concert. Yeah. The red rocks. Yeah. So it was just like a respect thing, you know?

Yeah, and so then, like, those things come out and also emails. Yeah, I mean, he just really, yeah. I don't know why he was so, like, angry at me. But, yeah, I was actually not going to bring up the whole concert thing at the, what show, is it, after Paradise or some kind of talk show like that. And the twins brought it up, which, I mean, I think it was fine. But I know he was really upset about that being brought up, but I don't know. I always say like, I feel like this happened not just in my situation, but other situations where something gets brought up on the show and guys get so upset, but like they're the ones that

did it. You know what I mean? So it's like, I'm sorry that it got brought up. Do you feel like Robbie had stronger feelings for you than you had for him? Or do you think this was all a response for maybe not ending up a bachelor couple? I think he definitely, I mean, this is my, this is just how I feel. I don't know how he felt, but I think he probably had ulterior motives. I think he cared about being a bachelor couple. I think he really wanted that. I think he really cared about like the Instagram fame and all that kind of stuff. And how quickly it's fleeting.

Yes. Right? I mean, what was the last time you heard about him. Um, I don't know what he's doing. Yeah. But, uh, you're right. I mean, but it, and I mean that. Yeah.

But I also want to say that it's a good point for anybody out there is like fame is fleeting. it is not something worthy to chase after. No. No. No. So as a result, like, if your pursuit is that, you're going to spend years of your life chasing emptiness. And where do you have the turn?

You narrowly missed them this year at stagecoach. I heard that. So, yeah. I mean, I don't hate, like, now I could care less. You know what I mean? That's surprising to me. He said some really mean things publicly. I know.

I think I'm just too forgiving of a person. just in general. Or are you too afraid of conflict? You just want to avoid conflict? I think I just want to, I think it's a mix of both. I like, you know how they say like forgive, but don't forget? I feel like I forgive and forget too much. But yeah.

I mean, no. I mean, I would never be friends with Robbie again, but I don't hate him. Like if I saw him, I would say hi. I wouldn't try to linger around by any means. But you would say hi. I would probably say hey. Yeah. How was it to see him walk on?

the paradise sand a year later at the end of that season. I didn't even know that he went on. That's how much I don't keep track. He went on? You would know. Did he go on? Oh, I remember now.

I was like, am I making things up? No, I got to go back check myself now. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Well, it apparently didn't phase you. Yeah, it did not phase me.

So I totally forgot he even did that. That's right. That's surprising. Wow. We're getting close. Okay. We have one more. to talk about.

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Maybe a year and a half ago, I still would have been able to do it. Today I can. So, you know, Lauren and I broke up. Did you know that? I didn't know. Okay, wait. let's come up okay wait you tell a story then I'll ask the question so um we broke up and I was in Chicago at the time of the breakup I was on the road and and no matter what things weren't

good but I was on the road working we weren't like split and she called and things happened and so I went from Chicago to New York City and I flew to New York City for another business trip so this was on a I went to Chicago on a Monday New York on a Wednesday I was there Wednesday through Friday and I landed with my boss who is one of my best friends and he at the time I just when I landed I told him hey Warren and I have split and I was a mess I was and understandably so I think like I was just a mess and he's like all right well this is what we're going to do we're going to go through our meeting and I'm going to take you out to the best dinner is this a fart story no I'm going to take you out to the best dinner and then

and we're just going to drink a bottle of wine and we're going to talk and you can do whatever you want. I was like, perfect. Sounds great. He's like, but, and we're going to do that, we could close. He's like, let's go to Zara. And Lorne and I just did an event in Zara not long before that.

And this is, this is God's honest truth what happened. And he's like, let's go to Zara because it's on Fifth Ave or whatever and we're right here and our hotel was right there. And so we did. And I walked in and I don't know if you guys ever feel this way or if anybody out there ever feels this way,

but I started to get sweaty. and like anxious and I and I started to feel like and the last thing you want to do after a breakup is see your ex right like that's the last thing you want to do yeah I was like I feel like Lauren's here and he's like well maybe because you just did an event here and he knew that and I was like yeah it's probably it but like I have memories with her like recently right here like I feel like she's here and he's like this is this is weird you're being crazy like you are really are messed up like you got to get calm down so I was like you're right We bought our clothes.

And I'll try to tell the story. I don't want to undervalue this story. It's a weird story. Yeah. So we bought the clothes that we wanted for the night, went back to the hotel, showered up, changed. And my buddies that live in New York,

my college roommates called. And they're like, hey, what are you up to? And I told them we're going to dinner with my buddy, but I have an hour and a half. I'll meet you at a bar and let's have some drinks. And I invited my buddy with me. And they were at a bar just like six streets over.

And so we walked. and I started feeling that way again and I was like man I'm jacked up like I can't do this like I'm more messed up than I even thought it was I'm like feeling that Lauren's watching me like I'm feeling that she's close I'm sweating like he he literally looked at me he's like you're going crazy like you're having panic attacks and like there's no good reason why and I was like I know and so we get to the street corner where the bar is and we see the sign I remember he and I both looked up and we saw the sign and he goes stop we look down and you and Lauren are standing on the street corner across from us in New York City not more than 10

foot from us and I ran crazy I remember this story once you started telling it yeah what I ran and I ran did we didn't see you obviously I don't think you did I wanted to ask you if you did no we didn't I didn't see I was literally I was literally from you like 10 foot away from you guys standing there looking at you and and I'm not kidding you after on three different occasions that in those hours feeling like I and I and I and it could still be just weird because of the fact that like it was fresh and it was new and I just didn't the last thing I wanted to do is run into her and you know but literally that came true and you guys are standing across the street from us I don't know if you remember that trip what had to be it was the week we broke up yeah yeah I remember

yeah wait so yeah we definitely didn't see it was a second night or during the day it was during the day oh my god yeah so crazy you met up with me and Jared afterward yeah yeah yeah Did you know we were in New York? I had no clue. Oh my gosh. I thought she was in Denver because when she called, she was in Denver at the house, and she was going to start packing up her stuff. And then later that day, she was in New York?

And then, no, two days later, she was in New York because I was in Chicago and I flew in New York and she was there. And so I literally saw you two standing across the street, which was my worst nightmare. Yeah. And still to this day, well, still to this day it shocks me. Yeah. it's just a weird thing to think about that's crazy yeah okay well that leads into this question yeah so you guys are like super cool and like he always talks you up on the podcast he's always like Amanda

a really cool chick really cool chick right but you are his exes best friend from the show yeah you know we all have our real life best friends but you guys are the closest from the show so like is was there ever like some weird hurdle where you guys were like okay well because of this weird community we live in we're gonna have to be cordial and cool or what you just you guys you were never affected like by the he said she said thing wait with with Ben yeah with Ben and with okay I get it okay I get what you're saying um no I mean like I've always thought Ben was like the sweetest guy like I literally tell everybody that whenever people always ask me like has been really as nice as he is on the show and like no you guys like he really

is the nicest guy um and I mean I think even Lauren knew like Ben is such a nice guy like just because it didn't work out between him doesn't mean that he's not a good person um so I think I mean, honestly, I feel like it was a pretty cordial breakup. I mean, I'm sure it sucked for both of you, but it never really put me in a spot where I had to, like, hate Ben or choose sides. Like, it was pretty, it was a pretty, like, mature breakup, right? For the most part.

I think so. Yeah. I mean, I think it's mature as you can make it, right? Yeah, I mean, it always sucks. It's always hard, but. I would say, and I think we've, I don't know if we've ever talked about on the podcast or not, and if so, everybody out there listening,

I apologize, you're going to hear it again. There is an element, and I don't know if it exists in The Bachelor world, because there hasn't been a lot of breakups outside of, like, Caitlin and Sean. Yeah. With couples that have made it from the show, I did feel, not from you, from others, isolated. And, like, the army was out against me, and I couldn't understand why, right? I remember when she started dating Devin, and there was comments that were like, I've never seen you happier.

I'm so excited for you. This heart makes my heart happy, which are nice comments taken at a surface level, but I remember them, and this was the hardest part for me about the breakup, because the breakup definitely should have happened, but it was I felt like all of a sudden people that I thought were friends was mine as well.

I knew they weren't, I knew they weren't as close to me as they were with Lauren. I felt like I was an outsider. Yeah. And that really sucked. Yeah, that's hard. Do you do you let's let's try to break that down though. Do you know why like why does that have to happen in in relationships in general? We just talked about it with you and I Mm-hmm. We've also talked about it before some of your breakups like why does that a byproduct? I think

I think like whenever someone or whenever anyone goes through a breakup I think people feel like it has to be like somebody's fault or like this person was in the wrong where like sometimes like nobody's in the wrong like it just is what it is but I just think that ever everybody, whether it's just people on Instagram or friends of the person that you're with, like people always just think they have to blame somebody or like someone has to be the bad guy. And I think that's kind of where it comes from. And I also think breakups are hard and whether or not someone moves on faster than the other person. I mean, I'm sure it was like hard for both of you. But yeah, I don't, I never left a mean comment. Did I, did I? I don't think so. I think people from the show definitely did though. I know that. And it does. It confuses you because you're like, is that targeted at me?

Is it a target at me? Or my assumption goes to. And I think it caused a lot of resentment. And I think this is a good lesson to learn for anybody out there. What it did was it made my mind go to, Lauren is talking negative about me or there is something uncommunicated that's been harboring in her heart that she's angry at. And she's telling her friends, which is a result,

her friends are standing up for her and with her. And I was going, my question was, what did I do wrong? Where did we miss the mark? and what am I missing because you don't have answers, right? I'm not going to call Lauren six months later when she has a boyfriend and go, wait, why are your friends saying you're so happy now? You're not going to get those answers, but I feel like it's not just an isolated case, right? That's not unfamiliar to people out there that've gone through breakups and social media comes out against them. But you have insight now on the both sides.

You know that happened. You know those feelings were felt by me. and then say multiple people outside of that that have gone through breakups. Why is that the byproduct? Why are friends standing up saying, I'm so happy for you? They know that hurts that other person

and they know the ex is going to see it. Yeah. I mean, I feel like there's, I mean, like you said, I just really think there's not really like an explanation or a reason for it. I think it's kind of just like almost, it's sad to say.

Like there shouldn't be resentment there, especially if there was really no reason why you guys broke up. No one did anything wrong. But I just think naturally, we just resort to like feeling bitter in some kind of way about something because nothing's ever going to go fully your way in a breakup. Like the other person can be like super respectful to you, but you're just not going to agree

with like every single thing that that person's doing. And I just feel like it's really easy to get bitter about things, if that makes sense. Yeah, that's a good point. We resort to like bitterness. Yeah. And we lose like rationale sometimes and logic. Breakups are really hard. They're so hard.

And that leads us into. to this last one for you with Bobby. Yeah. It's the one, I mean, Ashley and I are both like, we were shocked.

I actually, you know how I found out about this? How? At Indiana University, I was doing a thing for a guy that used to own a restaurant in my hometown that I really liked, he opened up in Bloomington.

I was down there visiting it for dinner. Somebody came up and goes, how sad are you about Amanda and Bobby? I was like, I don't know about it. I think it cut us all off. guard. Yeah. I mean, I was pretty caught off guard, to be honest. How was Bobby the take, how do you take being sort of an Instagram celebrity without ever having kind of like a voice?

Because like all of us referred to like, oh, Amanda and Bobby, Amanda and Bobby, but like, I never met Bobby. Yeah. And I just had like an image of what Bobby must be like. Yeah. Did he like that attention? Yeah. I think he did. He did. And I think, I mean, I'll go, I'll like start from the beginning with that is just like okay so when I met Bobby we we just met online we started talking we were talking for a few months before we ever met in person um and in the past I've always dated guys not always but since since my divorce I've dated guys that were in the spotlight from the show like guys that loved attention um I mean Josh was like very outgoing friendly center of attention kind of guy like lots of energy um kins and charge dads like that also like very energetic outgoing

You always said that they were similar. Yeah, like, I've always dated guys that love being the center of attention, and I've always kind of been, like, the one that wasn't quite as much, like, the quieter one. And when I met Bobby, he was super quiet, he's shy, he was just so different. Like, he doesn't drink. He doesn't go out. Like, he's just very different than any other guy I've dated. And I think at the time I thought, like, oh, this is good for me.

Like, this is what I need. I need someone that's, like, more mellow and is a homebody, and, you know, is. quiet and all that. So I think I thought it was really good for me and something that I needed, like as a mom. So that's kind of like what attracted me to him in the first place. But our relationship wasn't as easy in the beginning as some of other relationships that I've had. Like you saw like the spark I had with Josh. Like it wasn't really like that with Bobby. It was more like, to be honest, it was almost more like a friendship throughout our relationship. And I think I was cool with that sometimes because I felt like we're best friends like we stay home all the time with the kids like

it's great but I do feel like I wasn't fully being myself throughout our entire relationship like I feel like I wasn't allowed to really be myself and I don't think I realized that our entire relationship until after we broke up you know how that happens sometimes you kind of have your blinders on and I told you guys with Josh or in the past when I've broken up with people I always thought like did I try hard enough so I really tried this time and I think I was so I was forcing it too much because I think in the past I felt like I didn't try hard enough and this time I think I tried too hard to wear like I just think we weren't right for each other because you felt like it was the right thing you were trying hard because the image of him being clean cut and tall

dark and handsome and then not a drinker and loving the kids was like what in your mind it was ideal good on paper good on paper and I think I was forcing it but I like I said I don't really think our entire relationship I was like fully myself like even my sister said and this this is not a job at him in any way I mean it's a job at me like my sister said she's after we broke up my sister and I went to New York this weekend this is going to sound so mean but I swear it's not meant to be mean but I was with my sister we were in New York and we were like having so much fun we went to dinner we went to catch like we were drinking we were just having a fun girl's night and my sister was like I'm not trying to be mean but she's like you are just so much more fun than when you're

with Bobby and I was like really she's like no offense but like I would have rather hung out with, like, a rock when you were with Bobby. You were so boring. So she told me. Yeah. And that's not anything on him. It's just on me. Like, I just don't think I was myself.

Okay. Yeah. I want to get back to Bobby. Okay. But I want to stop here. Okay. Because I think this is our first pivot point. Okay.

In your story. Yeah. I'm going to say something that you're probably going to not love. Okay. And you're going to have to respond. All right. Fine. I'm used to this.

I think you've consistently adapted to who the man is in your life to make it work. Yeah. it's true and you've done it now in the public a couple times and with bobby then once yeah what have you learned from that if anything and you don't have to have learned anything but if your sister is willing to tell you Amanda you were boring and now you're not yeah I think it's pretty clear what she's saying yeah um okay so I mean in the past yeah I mean I think I've I've tried really hard to make my relationships work but I don't actually feel like I've ever changed who I was, I think it was just more like, like I told you guys, I thought that this

was good for me, like, this is what I need. So I think it was more like in my head. It wasn't really that I changed, like, as a person or I didn't change my beliefs or my opinions or how I feel about things. And Bobby and I had very different beliefs on like a lot of things. It was more just like, yeah, like a lifestyle change. Like I was just boring. But that's suppressing like your personality. Yeah. Which is something that should be shining. You have a great, you are, you're, you know, let's love on Amanda for a second.

Terrific mom, bubbly, super personable and kind. You're very easy to talk. Easy to talk to. I think when you take those things away, you become a shell of yourself, which ultimately becomes you probably a less likeable or at least a less authentic version of yourself. Yeah. Which is unfair to any relationship. And if that's who you've been, how do we. stop that.

Exactly. I mean, and that's my thing now. Like, you know, you learn something from every relationship that you're in. And this time around, I think it just kind of taught me, like, I might have thought something was good for me. I thought I needed something that maybe I didn't. But, like, I never really, I think I just need someone, obviously, like anyone does, that you can fully be yourself around.

And it just likes you for you and doesn't judge you if you are different than them in certain ways. and yeah i mean i do think in my last relationship i definitely conformed to but it was also one of those things like i really cared about him and like he was just different and i it wasn't in a in any way that was like harmful or like toxic it was just like he was just different than me and probably different than the person that i'm going to end up with you know what i mean so yeah so with josh you went back and forth a little bit where you're like are you broken up and we're not broken up yeah with bobby was it just a clean break pretty much left he took all of his stuff

And after a few days of not talking, I was like, either you need to break up with me or you need to come back right now. But I'm done having this period of, like, us not talking. I don't even know what you're doing. He wouldn't even answer my phone calls. It was like strictly like a couple text messages here and there. And so he was like, fine, I want to break up. So I was like, okay, but I'm just letting you know if we break up, I'm not breaking up and getting back together because I feel like in the past. That's what's made my breakup so much harder is like continuing in that gray area.

I just don't do well with that. And so he's like, okay, I want to break up. Well, then a couple days later was like, well, you kind of gave me an ultimatum. I didn't really want to break up. But I also don't want to jump back into it. So I think we should like take things slow. I always feel like it's so dumb. Start dating like, you know.

No, you can't backtrack. Exactly. And I was like, we just moved into this house together. And he, I lived in Irvine before and I actually really like. like to, like, he's a, he plays beach volleyball, so he's like, I have to be by the beach. Like, he had, like, two cities he wanted to live in. It was either, like, Newport or Laguna. Like, he was, you know, like, a little picky when it came to, like, the house hunting process. So it's like, I got this house. I wouldn't have moved into that house if it weren't for him.

Yeah. So it was kind of frustrating. But I was like, I just got this house literally, like, for us, like, kind of for you. So how am I supposed to backtrack and be like, okay, like, let's go from taking this huge step in our relationship. to like dating just dating again I was like no you know

so yeah I don't think you can you can't I'm trying to process that is that a thing yeah I was like that doesn't even make sense and I also I don't do breaks

in relationships I don't know I mean I think some people could probably do it in a healthy way but I don't know I just don't like I said I don't do well with that like gray area it's either like

I don't know. I've heard of this method multiple times now and it is so wacky to me. It's like, no, you can't say I love you, be dating seriously to like a cohabitation. And we just took a huge step. So I'm like, how do we? And what, do I just keep this house for me?

You're not going to live here. You're going to get your own apartment. Like, it was just odd. I was like, no. I guess it matters what your definition of dating though is because I do think there is something sweet. And I'm just like processing this as you say this in my head about a couple that,

a couple that gets a divorce, they split and they go, we want to start dating again. That's totally different. I think like dating again. And so my mind is like, you just have to get that restart to say we need to intentionally start dating again, like having fun again and enjoying. To like regain like a spark or something.

Yeah. To bring romance. But you can't. Yeah. You can't be in a dating relationship break up and not say, yeah, but like let's just pull back, right? Let's not look for exclusivity. Let's pull back of our emotions and feelings.

And let's just like start hanging out. exactly and I think it makes sense because he's we're just like very different like you know we're just very different people so I think that's something that he would be able to do tell us more yeah you the public I mean it's not naive and you've read it like yeah she's had all these filled relationships this is how we know Amanda this is who she is of course this is going to happen is stuff that you have to hear all the time what is your response then I mean I think over the past four years, I think with being on the show and just having this last relationship, being a mom, having some of the opportunities that I've had, I think I've grown

a lot, and I think I've, I really, like, believe in myself and who I am, and I know myself pretty well now. So it doesn't really bother me, but I think there's just times where it's like, I know how hard I tried in a relationship or how good I was or all the, you know, things that I did to make a relationship work and other people don't see that. So I think sometimes that's frustrating, but I think that's something that you just have to deal with when you're in the position that we're in where people are never going to know every detail

and people are going to judge you and you kind of just have to accept it for what it is. You can't sit there and defend and say every detail of your life and, you know, it's just not worth it. I talked about that with Caitlin. We were talking about how when you break up with somebody in the public eye or even, even not breakups just like little actions that you make and you kind of part of you wants to go

and tell the entire story to everyone but then the other part of you knows like how petty that would look and how you want to be above it yes and you're like where do I find this fine line of getting my story out there in its entirety but also not looking like this person that is just so obsessed with appearances and what other people think of me that that's where it's like it's just not worth it you know at the end of the day Caitlin and I said at the end of the day it's not worth it isn't worth it so that's why we choose not to and to continue to have that lingering frustration inside us it is frustrating there is a really good time to share that and that's on the in-depth almost famous podcast yeah I was going to say is this making you feel better yeah because you're not

you did you did not ask we asked you to do this yeah and it gives you hopefully time to talk it out I mean like this is like therapy it's really nice thank you we just want to get to know you Because your story ultimately really matters to the people listening, and it really matters to us because I think what Ashley and I have seen is that this world gets confusing and gets hard in situations like this exist, and it looks ugly, and it may look like a soap opera at times, but ultimately we all need a place to be us, and we need a place to share our stories because stories do matter. And so like we said at the beginning, once you get to know somebody more, it's hard to hate them. Yeah. But yeah, like I was saying how, like I said, I was super blindsided at the time and he broke up with me. But then afterwards, I kind of, you know, realized that there were things like leading up to that. And then I think also like sometimes in your relationship, you have your blinders on. And after you start seeing things and there was like a couple of things that happened during our breakup and like how it was handled that I think made me realize a lot of things. Like one of those things was like obviously like I said, he broke up with me. And. And. And I was already going through a lot at the time, which I'm sure we'll talk about later, but I had the whole, like, hacker situation at my doctor's office, and I was just going through a lot.

And instead of asking me how I want to handle it or letting me confirm to everybody that we broke up, he just kind of went ahead and handled it himself. And then also, like, set his Instagram to private when people were speculating to, like, gain more followers. That's because I guess, like. I don't understand this concept. Yeah. It's, uh, yeah.

How do you gain more followers by going to private? Because if you're public, people can, like, lurk on your page and they can go speculate and not follow you. But if you go private, then they have to actually follow you. So it's like a tactic. And I don't know. I guess it just bothered me like you're using our breakup as a tactic to like gain followers. I don't know. It just kind of like, just kind of rub me the wrong way.

And it was just something I was like. Yeah. Something I never even heard of. Yeah. And I was just like, it just kind of not like made me insecure in any way, but I was like, I guess that's something you need to look out for is like, like he's never had a serious girlfriend before. and he's 33 yeah like he's never like you know had like a very serious committed relationship and i always kind of wondered like well like why with me like of course like there's the option like you just really love me but like how at that age like do you not have you not had like other

serious relationships and i think just like moving forward you just have to be kind of careful like oh what's intentions like do they want instagram fame or like we said with robbie like do you just want to be a bachelor couple like there's always ulterior motives of people sometimes and i'm not saying that that's that's what bobby had like i i don't know that but it's just like that made me feel that way a little bit you got me on the edge you know i was thinking about this and it's an interesting uh i think correlation i was trying to figure out how to date in the real world everybody always asked are you i was nervous about what people's intentions are is what i always got right and i was like i don't think so because i think you could read through them and then i was

I think about this a couple months ago you know I'm the only Bachelor as long as I can remember that's dating somebody outside the franchise What about Nick? I mean he's not dating anybody Right, okay So he's not in a committed relationship with anybody

So Bachelor's of recent memory Yeah, and so it is kind of a new frontier right? I mean every other Bachelor has somebody within the franchise or is not dating at all And so Amanda I get what you're saying And like, it is a frontier that we don't know how to navigate. Now, I, you know, I'm with Jessica, and I know her intentions are very pure.

Yeah. And it was very clear from the beginning what her intentions were. Because I reached out to her. Yeah. And she had, you know, no idea that was coming. But it is interesting. How do you think you do handle filtering through people's intentions? I mean, I just think that you just, you can, I feel like most people have, like, a gut feeling.

And you can kind of tell, like you said. You can tell if someone really likes you for you if they have ulterior motives with everything, but I think sometimes it's hard to tell. I think sometimes it can be a mix of both, you know? I think sometimes somebody can like you for you, but also be a little intrigued by whatever else it is. But yeah, it's hard because some people are really good at hiding things. A lot of Bachelor Nation who's like really invested in relationships after the show will say that they see a lot of Robbie and Bobby. Yeah. How'd you think about that?

I mean, I actually hated that when we were dating. I don't know. I didn't like that. But I guess I see what they're saying in a certain way. Like they do have like a similar look. Although like I don't think they look too similar, but I see they have like the same kind of coloring and eyes. And I can see why people think that. Yeah.

Very different people though. So how do you explain to your daughters when you're going through a breakup, whether it be with Bobby or Josh. Or Ben. Or Ben. Yeah. Um, so it was a lot different when I broke up with Josh than this time around when I broke with Bobby because it was, it was like about two and a half years difference, but I feel like that makes a pretty big difference when that kids.

Yeah, because they're older and they understand. Yeah. So like now they understand and I don't know. I have a pretty good and honest relationship with them and I don't really have a problem kind of telling him how it is and they knew Bobby was my way from just moving together and I kind I just told them like, oh, well, like, me and Bobby broke up. And I was just pretty honest with them about it because, I don't know, I don't, I know there's like a lot of people out there that think that, and a lot of times it's the people

that don't have kids that feel this way, but they're like, they just think that you need to raise your kids to just think everything's, like, happy all the time and put on this like front to your kids, like this world is like perfect. And I don't know. I just don't really agree with that. I'm pretty honest with them. Like, they know when I'm going through something like life has its ups and downs like people are together they can break up like obviously there are things that i don't show them and there's things that i'm super adamant about like i'll never argue with somebody in front of them you know stuff like that but for the most part i can be pretty honest about what's going on with them i think that's kind of how i handle it

i feel like that it is the i'm not a parent so i feel even yeah i feel weird even saying it has to be because you don't get a naive or an abstract view of life where everything's perfect and it's false because then once you get into the real world and you go to college or whatever, like people start, you experience heartbreak for the first time or people start arguing in front of you for the first time

and then all of a sudden there's, I forget what the realization is, but there's a moment in every person's life where you realize your parents aren't perfect. Yeah. And it's like a, it's one of those like major life changing moments. if that could happen in an early age,

I would imagine that it's a healthier foundation to build upon. I don't know. Or like I think if you, you know, raise your kids thinking like everything's perfect all the time and then they grow up to start having their own problems and they're like, wait, like this isn't normal, this isn't supposed to be this way, things are supposed to be perfect. And I think it's just like, and I always am like, so for this breakup, for example, they don't see me like broken or like not being motivated.

Like I'm still. That's not even how you feel right now. Exactly. Like I'm fine. So I think it's good for them to see that like, hey, like, this didn't work out. Like we're two different people, but like I'm still okay and I'm still happy and like life goes on. And I don't know. That's just personally how I choose to handle situations. But when you talk about parenting in general, I feel like it's so tricky because everybody parents in a different way and everybody has such different beliefs. And if people don't agree with the way you parent, they'll like shame you or say that your kids are going to be messed up someday because of how you're raising them. It's just like, such a crazy thing. So that's why I don't really talk too much about how I handle situations with my kids or talk about it because that's what I believe in, but not everybody believes in handling things that way. And a lot of judgment comes from that sometimes. Are the girls sad after these breakups? Are they like, are we ever going to see them again? I think you made a comment on Instagram that like the girls were going to see Bobby, but like does that change with time?

No, no. So I just think it's better. I mean, I was dating him for a year. He didn't even meet the kids for a few months into our relationship. So I just didn't see the need for him to still be coming around. I felt like that would just confuse them even more. So I just didn't think it was necessary. But so Charlie, Charlie was pretty close with him. She's like younger. She really gets along with everyone.

She really liked him. But Kinsley, like I said, she was different with Bobby than she was with Josh. Like with Josh, she was like, like, loved him, was fine. Like I could like kiss Josh in front of her. She didn't care. with Bobby she was very like I couldn't even hold his hand like she was very clingy I don't know she was very different this relationship and I don't know whether it's the guy's vibe yeah I have no idea and so I mean every kid's different every relationship's different but I don't know Kins was kind of

just like okay like that's fine like they've asked about him a couple times mostly when there's bugs in the house because they're like who was going to kill this bug who does yeah I don't not not me I mean Charlie usually kills him now. So cute. All right. My last question about your girls in relationships is you, you get so much flack and it drives me bananas. Yeah.

When you're away on a trip because people are like, who's taking care of your kids? Like, do you ever spend time with your kids? Or even every time you go to paradise or do The Bachelor, it's like three weeks, three, four weeks people, you know, right? Yes. And yes, that it's a very long amount of time. but the girls are always with a family member,

be their dad or their grandma. Yes. Okay, so I don't have a nanny. I actually don't even have a babysitter at all. Like a consistent babysitter. No, not even a once in a while babysitter. I literally do not have one at all. So the only people that watch my kids are either me, their dad, or my mom.

And my parents just moved back. My parents were living in St. Louis for a while. So I didn't have them back then. So it's kind of a newer thing for me. And it's nice to have their help. every Tuesday my mom will pick the girls up from school and take them to dance and then I'll pick them up later from dance. So it gives me Tuesday to like get work done and stuff like that. But besides that, I mean, Kins goes to school. I drive them to school, pick them up every day.

If I go on a trip, it's usually during their dad's weekend. Actually, 99% of the time it's during their dad's weekend. Because, I don't know, it's kind of, it's a lot for my parents to watch both kids, especially overnight. So it's not something that I do often. So, anytime like when I was at stage coach there with their dad that weekend um I was just in new york with my sister it was their dad's weekend so people will judge me for it but I'm like whether I was home or whether I'm in New York with my sister I'm not going to be with my kids either way so it is what it is and it's not like obviously I wish I could be with my kids all the time but it's just it's our life and that's just always how it's been ever since the girls were born

I've split custody with their dad so it's just how how it is How's your relationship with their dad? It's had its ups and downs, like, throughout the years. So when we first split up, obviously, it was not very good. And, but, like, over the years, we've had our ups and downs. But it's good right now. It's good. It's been good for a while.

I feel like we are also very different people. I think so I never post anything about their dad. But the other day, I've been getting a lot of crap lately because they've been traveling and people are, like, where are your kids? I'm like, you guys, they have a dad. It's funny. Someone actually commented. They're like, the dad like passed away. I'm like, no, he's, I'm like, he's very much alive. He's here. So I posted something the other day of like me dropping Charlie off at his house. And all these people were like, oh, like, that's their dad, blah, blah, because I don't think I've ever posted anything of him. But we would never like it back together or anything like that. But we have a fine relationship. We're not close, but we're fine. Like we said, breakups aren't easy. At least it's cordial. Yeah, no, we're cordial. I mean, we even like. We even like. talk sometimes about like random things like he can tell me about a girl he's dating or I can tell

him about it's not weird we don't get there's not that like ex like jealousy thing between it's like the only time we're ever on like bad terms is like sometimes things will come up with the kids but I feel like that happens even when you're married like you have arguments over like the kids you know so it's nothing we have a we have a pretty good relationship how old were you when you got married was 21 22 22 you're 21 when you had kids you're 21 when you had kids I was 21 when I got pregnant but I just turned 22 when I had her So I was really young

Yeah And my last question is You mentioned earlier that When before Char came along That it was just you and Kins And you were like And you kind of had her full time then Did you have her full time then?

Yeah So it was once Charlie was born That it was split custody Yeah so I had them full time Until Charlie was like Six months old Yeah And then we started splitting it up

Yeah. You know, it's, it is interesting. And I think, again, it's nice to be able to talk about it because the public does watch your social media. Yeah. And they say, you're gone all the time. And where are the kids? Yeah. And it's nice to be able to say, I hope, like, well, no matter what, I'm not going to be with them. Like, if I'm back and I'm going to be going to sit alone at home or I'm going to go, go out and live a life and do my thing. And I enjoy traveling. I enjoy doing things. So it's like, it's nice for me to have that time that, like, I'm not going to have with them. anyways you know what i mean who takes care of them primarily when you are doing paradise is it a split between your mom and then the dad so when i was in paradise my mom watched him fully and i mean unless it was like next time to have him then he would take him but it was like the same schedule that we have when i'm home but my mom was taking care of them yeah um Amanda we have a little bit more to talk about okay um a lot less to talk about with your relationships okay um but you have one more with your relationships yeah but we do want to want to close uh this session out um with the cheers to you

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which is great. I'll say women. I'm getting better at it. I'm working on it. We have a lot of women listeners. And they always respond in a very vulnerable way when stuff like this has talked about. Since you have publicly started stated this before, I want to ask you a few questions following this one is why do you think you're attracted to those types of guys i think to be honest i think i hate to say it like this i do think like it's just kind of my personality i also think those kind of guys are attracted to me and i think it's because i'm very nice and very forgiving um i kind of see the good in people so i kind of think i'm an easier easier target for somebody like that like to be manipulated by but the crazy thing is about like when you're with someone that you would consider

abusive as a lot of times they don't think they're abusive and so I think that's the hard part is it makes you feel like well was it really in an abusive relationship or am I just being dramatic by saying that because I think they don't believe that they're being abusive and I think there's so many different forms of emotional physical abuse that like if you feel like you're in an abusive relationship you probably are you don't really need you know proof for that so yeah i want to know i want to understand a little bit here okay when we oftentimes as we said on multiple occasions we see the negative in relationships when it's over and you look back on it is that the same thing when it comes to abusive relationships or as somebody that is the victim are you knowing at the time and it's just hard to get

out? Or are you looking back and saying, I was a victim of abuse? I think you can see it when you're in it, like you know, but then I think that, I mean, it's different for everybody. But I think when you're in an abusive relationship and you see those things when you're in it, a lot of times they have a way of making you feel like you're crazy or that it's you or that it's not that way or you're being dramatic. So I feel like you do see those things, but it really takes until after to look back and be like, and really see things more clearly. That makes sense. What are some of the lessons then for anybody out there?

Because I'm telling you, Amanda, we get some emails that are heart-wrenching. Well, I feel like it's so common. Like, whether it's- Why, why is it so common? Because I just, like I said before, I think there's really no way to, like, define an abusive relationship. Like, there's so many different ways that a relationship can be abusive, like, especially emotionally.

If somebody's, like, manipulative or controlling or there's just so many different ways that it can, like, really affect somebody's mental health. and that's considered abusive but like I said before I think a lot of people that are abusive don't actually think that they are even though they are. So I think that's why

there's so many people that are in relationships like that. But what the question was how do you like what would be my advice to somebody? I would just say like trust your gut and don't doubt yourself like if you feel like that's the case to trust yourself and just get out of it.

So I think that's the hardest part about getting out of a relationship. relationship like that is a lot of times you're being manipulated and you start doubting yourself or you think you're the crazy one or you're the problem and that's why you stay in it longer than you should because you start to believe that you're the problem so I think you just got to trust your gut it's it's in I mean I always found it and I was shocked and you know I've heard your stories and I've seen your relationships and I've been a fan of you and I've dated you and got to know you a little bit and then the headlines came out in Vegas yeah and all of these things started swirling around and it

And it felt like, in my eyes, at least as somebody that probably knows you, and I feel like I'm a little bit tainted because I know you a little bit more than maybe the public. Yeah. I felt like a paradigm shift where you now became the person that people were like, whoa, she's claimed this. Uh-huh. But now it's switched. Yeah. Two questions there.

Because I want you just kind of the freedom to explain it. I don't want to do. One is how did you handle that? How did that make you feel? and what did what do you do now yeah so obviously that whole situation was like just a complete nightmare um there you know there's like a truth to the situation that i can't really explain or i can't really talk about um but for the most part i mean i think anyone that knows me knows that that is not who I am. That's not also the kind of relationship the Bobby and I had.

I mean, we broke up now and our relationship wasn't perfect, but that was never something that was an issue. And yeah, I mean, everybody was just like, everyone that knows me was like, that doesn't really make any sense. And even, you know, it didn't. And I think it's easy to look at a situation like that and see it in the media and assume things or jump to conclusions or think, I think a big thing is people see somebody or think they know someone and they see something like that and they're like, oh, this is who you really are. And that's not the case. And I think everyone that knows me knows that that's not the case at all. I really have nothing to hide. I've always been pretty open and honest with everything going on with me. So I guess it was just frustrating having a situation like that that was very misconstrued, be so public and then having people like jump to these conclusions about me that weren't necessarily true. So we were talking about how there are certain stories out there that the full story isn't out there. And you need to choose between whether or not you want to reveal it or just let it go away. Are these one of those things?

100%. It's so hard because I had moments where I'm like, should I just put it out there? But there's just times where you can't win because either you can put your story out there and people are going to be like you're making an excuse or you're lying or I think something else really happened or you're like throwing somebody else under the bus and it just wasn't worth it. So my approach to it was just to kind of like let it be and move on from it. And it was really hard. That was probably the hardest thing not to talk about just because it was like affecting my life so much. But yeah, it's exactly one of those situations. Like when you break up with

someone you're like, I want everyone to know the truth. It was like the same thing. I'm like, I wish everyone could just know. But there's just certain things. And I think I'm pretty open and honest. about a lot of things with like my followers. Like I said, I have nothing to hide. Yeah. But that was just one of those things where I just kind of had to like do what was best. And I think, you know, what was best was just kind of leaving it. I don't, I don't know how to communicate this really well.

So just deal with me. And if you don't get it, then we'll just ask me a couple questions. But it feels like in life, you can do a lot of really great things. Yes. And we're all going to make a lot of really bad mistakes. That's just life. We're going to fail and we're going to succeed and we're going to succeed and we're going to keep failing and hopefully we succeed or do things good more than we do bad.

Yeah. But it feels like, I mean, I didn't live 200 years ago so I can't compare, but it feels like right now people are waiting to jump in celebration on people who fail or fall. Yeah. And I think that's a dangerous perspective for one reason. And then I have a question that follows us up. And this is my point, because we're all going to fail and we're all going to fall.

And if that is just life, then how often are we going to be celebrating other people's dark times, the times that they're in the valley? And instead, you know, as a believer in Jesus, you know, instead of lifting people up when they're down, and meeting people where they're at, it feels like we're trying to push everybody to a balanced level, which is ultimately where we're at our weakest.

I want to know then for you, if that's what it felt like, how do you handle being in that season of life where it feels like the masses are jumping on top of you in celebration or just support of something that's hard? Yeah. I mean, I think this just, it's one of those situations that I think when you follow someone on social media or you watch them on reality TV, you're just seeing a certain part of their life. for it. I mean, everybody's life on Instagram looks perfect. And I think that's why people are so quick to jump on somebody when they fail, because it's like, oh, like, I caught them at a moment where, like, it wasn't perfect. Or I think that's kind of what it, like, you know, everyone's

life looks amazing on Instagram. Everyone's showing their highlight real. And so I think that's why people are just so quick to, like you said, celebrate when somebody is down. And that's definitely what it felt like. And it was frustrating. It was hard. It was honestly probably one of the hardest things that I've dealt with ever um but like I said I mean I like know who I am everyone close to me knows who I am um and I got through it and I learned a lot from that whole experience um but I think learning how to handle that situation was like one of the hardest things that I've ever dealt with because you just can't win you know and you at the end of the day you have to just worry about yourself and take care of yourself and we all care what other people think you know we try not to

but we do, especially when you're being attacked on social media or in news articles or whatever it is. But I think I really just tried to focus on myself and, you know, how I was feeling and the people close to me were feeling because it was also hard for my family. And I tried not to focus on everyone else so much. And I think that really helped. How long did it take you to feel like life was normal again? And how much stronger do you think you are for going through that media appearance crisis yeah i mean like i said there's a lot of things that i can't say but it's not like that's kind of a situation that like i'll ever go through again like it was one-time thing it was crazy um i would say life was very different for let's see i one in september i would say probably

till like around the new year i mean things were pretty different for like a few months it was hard um but after that yeah like i mean i think it definitely made me stronger it made me kind of like I don't know it's so weird but every time I go through something hard it just like makes you in a way I'm like more confident because you've realized like oh I can get through this like there's situations where you think would like crush you and you're like oh I'm still fine so it kind of gave me like this confidence and I learned a lot about myself and yeah I mean I feel I feel good about it now but obviously it was not an ideal situation so yeah you've had speaking of ideal situations you've had a couple things come up um Um, and one is this, the hacker situation that you've made very public and, yeah, um, for those who have no clue what this is, can you take a second before we ask a follow questions on it? What exactly is going on here? So back last, yeah, this, like the last year, someone actually told me, I never believed in like mercury is in retrograde until this past year. I was like, wow, this is a real thing. Um, so I was pretty open about it, but I got like a breast

augmentation back in February 2018 and um went in for my surgery all of that it's been a while since then and randomly one night it was beginning or middle of March I think and I was sleeping and I don't know why it was like your weird feeling in New York like I just had this feeling of anxiety like woke up in the middle of the night and I was like sweating and I was like I just had anxiety for some reason so I couldn't fall back asleep so I just grabbed my phone I open it my email and I have emails from this person and the name was the name of my doctor but it wasn't his email address

and it was basically an email saying that this guy had like hacked into my doctor's database he stole these photos of me and he was trying to get money he's like if I don't get this money I'm going to send them and then I send your photos and he attached all the photos to the email of me from the doctor's office

so it wasn't just a threat yeah because I know that there's like a scam going right now where people will say oh I have these photos but they don't actually have them and I thought at first So I was like, this is a scam, but then he actually had all the photos attached down there. And so I thought it was like just like a bad dream or like a nightmare. And the next day I ended up calling my doctor, all these people.

They had a bunch of people, the police, FBI, all kinds of people helping. Were there other people that they got pictures? So I guess he hacked into my doctor's database. So he got photos of a lot of his patients. But I think he just saw me on his website and saw that I had somewhat of a following. So he decided to target me because I thought it would be more effective. Yeah, the doctors. So yeah, basically he was like, you have three days to either like get me the money or I'm going to start sending your photos out.

So and then there was also no proof like say we give this guy the money. Like how do we know he's even going to delete the photos? So probably just keep asking for more. So it was just pointless. And started setting the photos to everybody that I followed, sent him to people that I've worked with. sent him to like my friend's boyfriends. He did start to actually send these photos out. Yeah, he sent him out to like a ton of people.

So at first he's like, I'm going to start the first day by sending him to five people. Then the next day I'm going to send him to 10. Next day I'm going to send him to 20. So after two weeks, all these people started getting it. And the more people he was sending him to, the more people I had texting me every day. Like, hey, I just got this weird message from someone. I just want to let you know or people were calling me. So eventually it just got so exhausting telling the story that I was like,

I'm just going to address it publicly. that way this guy hopefully sees that like he doesn't have this power over me and stops and actually kind of it actually worked so yeah you did a great job yeah I was glad I addressed it but it was hard and the pictures haven't ever leaked no because luckily everyone that he sent them to are people that I follow and I mean everyone's been respectful respectful but once you called out the bully he didn't make his move right he never like posted them online but I don't even know like where he would post them you know what I mean they're medical photos like it wasn't like yeah they're not trust me they're very far from sexy

i'm like this isn't it's not like i did anything wrong so that's why i was like over all the threats every single day because i was like i didn't come out like what's the pro like if it's embarrassing for me or it sucks or it's violating but i was like i didn't do anything wrong so yeah you got some flack for doing that insta story in which you revealed the hacker with a dog filter on yeah why do you think you got so much hate for that I was, like, shocked. I was like, you guys. Honestly, I was crying.

I was not expecting to cry that much. And it's funny because I actually started filming it without it. But I... You're like, I want to cover my face right now. I want to be that exposed. I'm saying something very exposing. It made me feel better. And, yeah, I just think it made me look cuter when I was ugly crying.

So that's why I went with the dog filter. For, you've been through this. And, man, this is a scary situation. Yeah. And I hope, I mean, really scary but for anybody that happens to go through this uh what would be your advice what have you learned on the right steps to take if somebody were to do this to somebody listening um i mean i was so stressed for like a solid month over it and i think the one thing

that i learned from it is you can't stress every single day and have anxiety about stuff that you can't control and unfortunately there are bad people out there and um it's not an ideal situation but I just think you need to not let somebody ever have that power over you. I think being blackmailed every single day was the hard part so I'm really glad that I did what I did and I kind of took the power over it saying like this is what's going on. I think that really helped so I guess that would be my advice is just not to let someone have that power over you no matter what the situation is never let someone hold something over your head because that's stressful and it's out of your control so I think that really helped. So the whole

like month that I was dealing with the hacker situation I was really just freaked out because I had like the FBI at my house the police like I live with the kids I didn't know what other information this person had like he had my address my phone number you know I was like scary that he had your address I don't like that and it was it was before we moved so I was like I don't think he has my new one but it still just freaked me out because I don't know like I'm like did this person hack into my phone like can you read my text like I didn't know what what this person could do you know um so I was just really paranoid and one night my sister was sleeping over and she was using my cell phone charger and I was sleeping upstairs

and my phone was dying and I because of the situation going on with all the hacker and everything I was like I don't really want to sleep with my phone dead in case of an emergency so like I'm just going to run down to my car really quick and charge my phone so I go down to my car and it wouldn't charge my phone unless I turn my car on so I opened my garage and I had this guy that was like sitting in a Prius outside my house and I don't know why it freaked me out I'm like why is this guy he was literally parked in my driveway so I'm like why is this person parked in my driveway so I'm like why is this person parked in my driveway? So I'm like staring out of him.

I like turn my car on and he's just like staring at me. It was super ready. He's just parked there. So then I pretend I'm like I was going to back out. The guy gets out of his car. So I'm like just being, I was just super paranoid. It just is kind of funny.

So this guy gets out of his car. He goes to grab something from the trunk and like, oh my God, is this guy grabbing like a gun? Like what's happening? Is he going to break in her house? He grabs a banana out of his trunk. And he starts eating a banana in his front seat.

So I'm like, why is this guy eating a bag? banana in front of my garage. So then he starts to pull away. And so I don't know what was wrong with me. I was just going through a lot, guys. I decided to, I decide to, like, chase this guy around my neighbor at 11.30 at night.

And so I was following him because he was like, just parked in front of my house. He wouldn't leave. Long story short, I was freaked out. He pulls back in front of my house again because I did a circle. He didn't see me. So I was following him. He's back in front of my house. So I parked the car.

run inside. I go wake up Bobby. I'm like, there is somebody stocking our house. As I'm telling him, someone knocks on our door, our front door. And I was so freaked out.

I called 911. And the police came and everything. And anyways, nothing happened. I feel really bad. I didn't know my neighbors like down the street were having a party.

And he was like, I'm pretty sure that was just like a lift driver who was like waiting for someone. So like he got hungry and like ate a banana. But like, it's so embarrassing. But I was just like, so freaked out.

I was like, Bobby was scared too. It wasn't just me. Like I sound like a crazy person. But everybody, someone knocked on our door and then when we went down there, there was nobody there. How did Bobby deal with the whole hacker situation?

Like emotionally with you? Emotionally, honestly, not very supportive. And I think that was really hard for me too. Because I was really, he was just very black and white about it. Like he was like, you need to file a lawsuit against your doctor.

and I get it but also like I don't need the money that but my doctor's so sweet and he was really stressed about the situation too like he felt terrible um we just had different views about it and at the end of the day like I didn't care about a lawsuit like I just wanted like a little sympathy I guess and like emotional support and um

it just wasn't really there so yeah I'm glad this situation seems to have subsided it has not a fun one to live over you yeah We're going to take a break here. And when we come back, I'm going to have my favorite time of the in-death podcast with Amanda, where Amanda and I sit down and talk about the cool thing she's doing, what's coming up in her life.

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over the last few years. Yeah. It's a lot's happened in the last few years. It's been fun. Right now recently, you're launching a few products and projects. Yes. That I think you're super excited about. And we'd be remiss without allowing you the space and the time and we're excited about them to share.

Let's start with the book. Okay, cool. Tell us a little bit more. We've mentioned it earlier in the podcast. Yeah. I contributed to it. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Both of you. Ashley did it as well. Wow, look at us. Yeah. Represent. Um, yeah, tell, tell, whatever you want our listeners to know about your book. Just shout out there. So it's like a little all over the place.

I have a lot of people ask me what it's about. And it's kind of an autobiography. It's a little bit about me. It's also just kind of like a self-help book of like all the things that I've learned from certain experiences. It's kind of cute. Like in every chapter, there's like the roses and the thorns. So like the pros and the cons of like each situation. Great puns.

Yes. Um, so I think, I think people really enjoy it. It's kind of like a fun. there's like everyone keeps asking me like oh is it juicy is there tea and I'm like there is but that's kind of wasn't the purpose of it and I probably should say that there is because I feel like people will be more to read it but and there is for sure but I just think I anything that I said it was like only if it was useful like oh I learned from this like there's really not anything in there that's just like irrelevant just to like bash somebody yeah so but I mean it is it's good it's

it's it was fun to write and I've been writing it for like the last two and a half years and it's finally coming out. What ages would benefit from it? What was that? What ages of people would benefit from you? Oh gosh. I think anyone from like high school to, you know, any age, I guess. It's like pretty universal.

At first I was like, you know, I really want to write something for single moms, but it's definitely not just for moms. It's for anyone. So, yeah, it's really good. I'm excited for you to do. What does it come out? It comes out September. Beginning of September.

And it's called again? It's called Now Accepting Roses and it's really cute. There's like a little chapter, so Ben and Ashley keeps saying that they're in it. And there's like a little chapter that I had stories, like funny first date stories from other people that were on the show. And it's pretty funny chapter. So that's why I like it. I think it's like a really easy read. Like you can hang out at the beach and read it.

Like it's fun. So yeah, I think people really like it. Yeah. So it's not just a tell-all, but you have like cutesy stories in there too. It's like fun. Yeah. It'll make you laugh. Are you doing a whole book tour?

yeah a few places not like a full one but going to a few places so look for Amanda Stanton yes author Amanda Stanton showing up in your local neighborhood signing books talking life and talking roses and thorns on top of the book and talk on top of being a mom you've started a new clothing line yeah I'm fairly unfamiliar with this I don't shop there I'm pretty familiar because everything is so cute you truly designed pieces that you wear from like revolve and stuff but you made them your own and they're they're so signature to you yeah and i love them and they're so cute and you're doing so well with them like every piece so sells out right away yeah so it's actually my favorite project that i've ever worked on before it's like

something i've always wanted to do so it's been really fun um and i love the kids are like a huge part of it which is so nice because they're super picky with their clothes so every time we're like designing a new collection they'll help me and they'll tell me what they like what they like what colors they like. Kins is my little fit model. She's my model on my website. So they kind of feel like it's their thing too. So it's been really fun.

And we love like dressing up and fashion. And it's been my favorite project so far. What's the motivation behind it? Like why? So like ever since the girls were little, I just love dressing them up. And obviously I love dressing myself up. So it just kind of came from that.

Like I just wanted to design a line of things that like I loved and that made me feel confident. and wanted other people to get to wear them. It's also pretty affordable, I think, compared to, like, a lot of other brands. So I wanted to kind of create something that was cute and made people feel good and was also affordable, especially for, like, the mommy and me stuff. So I made some stuff in kid sizes, too. So, yeah.

Yeah. I like the way that you guys can be matchy. Yeah. Because I feel, like, sometimes, like, matchy clothes with your kids, like, the kids version's cute, but, like, the mom version's, like, kind of dorky. So I just wanted to make something that was, like, cute and matchy. And, yeah. I like that.

I get that. Did you come up with the name of the label? There's really, like, no reason behind it. What is the name? It's Hawaiian. It's Lonnie the label. So it's Hawaiian, L-A-N-I, the label. So it's Hawaiian for Heaven. Hawaii is your favorite place, but there's really no meaning, like, super meaningful.

But it was approved by the girls first, I'm assuming. Yeah, and I just thought it flowed nicely. Lonnie the label. Yeah. Lonnie the label. Check it out. Where can all the listeners find it? Um, so you can find it on just Lonnie thelabel.com and then our Instagram is Lonnie the label.

Amanda this is my time with you okay this is where we get to dig in for a little bit Ashley pretty much she chimes in every once in a while but she pretty much takes a back seat this is definitely his cup of tea and the next thing is definitely mine okay we've learned a lot about you I know you're tired our listeners I'm assuming have listened to this for last four days straight at this point they've been they've been listening in the car driving to work pausing getting in car from work starting again so excited to listen to what's next. I'm sorry. I talk a lot. No, we're so pumped. And this is how these have been. And this is why we love these. I mean, honestly, I mean, I don't know what you

think of these in-depth. But, you know, our almost famous podcast has done really well over the last two years. And it continues to grow. And it's an awesome. We love it. It's a breakdown of the podcast. It's super light. It adds no stress to our lives. But again, as we mentioned, like these in-depth really allow us to get to know our friends better, the other contestants better. It allows us to sit down and just hang out and talk in a way that's not threatening. or we're not trying to get anything out of anybody. Yeah. And our listen, I mean, these podcasts have been getting a ton of listens

because I think it's enjoyable. So you talking a lot, I think it's fun for everybody, and we appreciate it. This is where I'm going to ask you to talk a ton, though. Okay, cool. So, Amanda, we've got to hear your whole story. Yeah. And we started this podcast off. I mean, if you think about when we just started talking, I don't know, a couple hours ago,

we were talking about these random relationships and the breakups and our time together on the show. but there was an Amanda way before this show that existed, that had been through heartbreak and obviously came on the show in a place of pain. For a second, I just want to now kind of sum this all up. Like, who were you coming into the show?

I mean, I think I'm still the same person as I was back then. I think back then I just, I was young. I think I kind of like had this idea of like what my life should be or what I should be doing. and I think I've kind of learned to balance everything and focus a little more on myself. And I think I've had a lot of experiences over the last couple years that have really helped me find myself. So I think now I'm just a little more confident and just kind of have a better idea of how to balance everything.

You mentioned a couple times that you're a kind person. You're super forgiving. But what is it about you that you're scared? of like where your weaknesses lie and where were these things coming into the show and then also now that sit there that you're fearful of because I think as people one of the things we can all relate on is we have failures and we have fears and even if you are a super kind person there's something in there that still exists so like what are my weaknesses um gosh I mean I have a few um I mean this sounds like super cliche but but I do think I like tend to see the good and people instead of the bad and I kind of think that's where my relationships have gone wrong is they focus too much on the good until it's over and then I kind of take my blinders off but I think just in general like I'm a perfectionist so I think I'm too hard on myself a lot of the time um yeah yeah is that is that a good enough

is that a good enough it's good enough if you think it's good enough I don't know I mean I have I have quite a few more, but I think that's good. The thing of this whole process is life is, this whole thing has helped us become something. And I think I want to ask you is, who are you becoming? Like, who is Amanda Stanton and who are you becoming in the future and now? What are your dreams for yourself? I think I just kind of, I'm just me and I think I've learned to kind of accept that. What does that mean?

I mean, I just have learned to kind of do what makes me happy and do life the way that I want to do it and kind of stop thinking I need to be doing things a certain way or be listening to other people or what they think. I think I've kind of learned to just kind of do my own thing and be confident in that. And so if anything, that's kind of what I hope to like inspire other people to do, especially like when they're moms. I think there's so many stereotypes and things that people think that you need to be doing. I just think that everyone should just really do what makes them happy because life's short. And I think it's important to be happy and just believe in yourself and know that you're a good person and not really care what everyone else thinks. And I think one thing that I've learned throughout all of this is like, of course, like everybody knows they get a lot of haters in judgment. But I never really change what I'm doing.

It kind of continue to do the same thing. So yeah, I think I'm just, I'm just happy and I want everyone to be happy. Has there been a moment in this whole thing that, and it feels weird. I don't want to say this whole thing because it feels weird to sum up the last six years as your life. I mean, you've had a life way before it. Has there been a moment in life where you felt like you were getting off that track of that, whatever you wanted to become and whoever you were becoming, that it felt like you've derailed and there's no place to turn?

I don't really think I've ever felt like there's no place to turn, but I've definitely had ups and downs. I mean, we just talked about one, like the whole Vegas situation. was like a huge thing for me. Obviously when I've gone through breakups, that was a big thing for me. Just things like life doesn't always go as planned or how you expect it. And I think there's been multiple times throughout the past five years where I've totally thought my life was going in one direction and then it doesn't.

But I've never really felt like super unmotivated like, oh, like life's over. But there's definitely been times where I've had to like change things around a little. What is that motivation that? I mean, how do you continue to move forward? Um, I mean, I obviously like, it sounds cliche, but I have my kids. So like I always have to like be happy and be the best version of myself for them. But I think also, um, I've just kind of learned to be a little bit more adaptable. Like I'm happy if I find somebody and I get married in two years and have another baby. And I'm also fine if I'm single for the rest of my life. Like

at the end of the day, like I think I'm just good no matter what. And I've just kind of accepted that. Let's just close here with a couple. I want to have a couple questions about your kids. Okay. Who are they becoming? Like, what are your dreams for them? So, I mean, I'm biased, but I just think they're, like, the best, cutest, smartest little humans in the entire world.

And I tell them all the time, like, you guys can do whatever you want. You guys can be anything that you want to be. Kins is, like, such an entertainer. I can see her doing something, like, in the entertainment industry. But at the end of the day, I mean, she can do whatever she wants. and Charlie's just so sweet. I mean, both of them are so different, but they both are just so special in their own ways.

So I'm really proud of them. Charlie's starting kindergarten this year. So I always say the best part about being a mom is like seeing your kids grow up to be like their own people and kind of develop their own personalities and interests and all of that stuff. So yeah, they're really cute. That's awesome. Yeah. I'm proud of them.

Great job. Thank you for coming on the podcast today. I'm going to pass this over to Ash to close out. And a really fun note. No pressure. Amanda, you definitely, we love to sum up these podcasts with those questions and a little bit of notes. But you really are becoming somebody that I think is confident. We see that.

And also from our perspective, and we get to see a little bit more than most, is you are a great mom. And there's some things in life that I would say that we need to listen to the people that are critiquing us, but those are typically the people that are in their arena with us or our family members and friends, and people from the outside don't know. But you as a mom is something that I think is not only adorable, because I think your friendship with them is incredible and I have a good friendship with my parents, but just the way that you parent as well. So, yeah, thanks for being with us today. Ashley, take it away. All right. So here's your speed round. We'll try to keep it as like, you know, as phrases. Got it. But the first one I have isn't a phrase.

Okay. How frustrating is it when people say you don't have a job or go get a job? Yeah, it's really frustrating. I mean, it can't get more annoying, right? No, yeah, because you can't explain it every single time. You can't explain what you do probably because there's just like a whole bunch of different things. Yes. And they would never understand how time consuming it is.

No. Yeah. It's frustrating. It's annoying. It's just really a sound. It's like, right? Actually, that feels like more of like a personal question to Amanda for yourself.

No, I knew. I know that she can relate, though. I absolutely know that you can relate. I can feel the anger building up on this side of the table. But do you not feel the same frustration? Oh, 100%. Yeah. Oh, 100% I do.

What do you even do? Yeah. Like, you don't have a job. Even, I'll hear people that even know us and they'll be like, well, you know, they don't have a job, you know, referring to one of our friends in the circle. And it's like, uh, no, no, no, no, we do. Okay. Moving on.

What's your Starbucks? box order. Okay. So it's long. I get a cold foam cappuccino with almond milk, one pump of vanilla. And an added shot of espresso. A complicated one. Yeah. I'm like that person. I know. Favorite musician? Uh, my gosh. I don't have one. Come on. Who do you listen to the most? Like, who do you go to most on your iPod? iPod. What year am I in? iPhone. On your MP3 player, who do you listen to? Okay. I've been very into Celine Dion lately. Okay. Amazing. Fantastic answer. Timeless. Classes. Yeah. What would be your last meal? A big bowl of pasta.

Okay. Great. Like, describe it to me. Just like a big bowl of spaghetti. No, I mean, like what kind of noodle and what sauce? Spaghetti, red sauce. Okay. Maybe a pizza too. Can I have multiple things in this meal? Philadelphia. Okay. So Italian food? I was asked this question. I chose salad. Remember that? What? No, Colton also chose salad when I asked him. this question.

Hold's a liar. I'm not. I'm like pizza, pasta, sushi, chick fillet. Okay, sounds great. Okay. Who's your celebrity crush? Um. I feel like you have them.

I feel like I've heard you've talked about. Oh, Bradley Cooper. Oh, good one. Yeah. Bradley Cooper clean or are we talking like, you know, Star is born Bradley Cooper? Like Jackson Maine. Hells.

Yeah. Yeah, it's the best kind. Yeah, he's so hot. Who's the Bachelor Nation crush that you have that you never dated? Uh, I can't say. Come on. Just who's hot?

Okay. I think Nick's really cute. Okay. Yeah. Great. Well, you kind of almost. You went on a date. Yeah.

Something that you can watch over and over again. Whether it's a TV show or movie. Friends. Okay. How often do you have a beauty-related appointment? You and I are the same here. This is why I can ask you. Like every other day.

Yeah. Between nails, brows, hair. Lashes. Yeah, like laser hair removal, lashes, facials. Botox. Yeah. Like probably twice a week.

Okay, twice a week. I'd be like at the minimum once a week and I like to like fill them all within a week that I have nothing to do. Like I go get a facial, get my lashes done, get my nails done all in like one day. It's just like a whole day of like beauty appointments. You can get like laser like before the weekend so that you know people don't see you all puffy. Yeah.

Best vacation you've ever been on. My favorite place is Hawaii. I got out of all the places they've been, too. Yeah. Best gift you've ever received. Things that Kinsencher make me at school. Aw. Is there one picture that you're definitely just going to say for a lifetime?

Yeah, so Charlie made me like a little Christmas one and it has her picture on it. And like her smile is the cutest thing ever. So that's probably my favorite. My mom still has that Christmas ornament that we made with my face in the middle and decorated the outside of the snowflake. It's still on the tree like 25 years later. She just looks so proud in it. Favorite Bachelor moment that didn't make air? Or BIP

Oh, in Bachelor in Paradise I mean it's not a favorite moment But it was like kind of a funny one I like got attacked by mosquitoes I don't know if you remember that My arm like saw that Oh my God Nobody's ever seen an arm

No Amanda's arm Yeah I was so glad they didn't hear it But yeah Oh and I also got seasick on Josh and I's first date Okay yeah So there was like lots of moments Neither of those are favorite moments But like I'm memorable

memorable We were all so concerned about your arm Yeah I was concerned You guys it was blow own up. It was as if she was allergic to a being. I was allergic. Yeah. Yeah. She was bad. She was allergic to some sort of. I was not okay. The first thing you would save in your house if it was on fire. My kids. Okay. Fine. Possession. Um, a material object. My designer handbags and shoes. Perfect lead in to what's your favorite thing in your closet? My designer handbags

and shoes. And my last question is, would you ever be a bachelor at? um i mean i have no desire to know okay but if they came to you with a contract it'd be hard to say no yeah but i don't really want to yeah and does that conclude our mini series of a podcast with amanda's amazing hey eight episodes amanda follow our lead here thank you again everybody out there listening make sure you tune in uh next week for another episode of almost famous i've been i've been ashley i'm amanda i've been amanda i've been i've been Amanda. I don't know why we started this, but we've done it for two years. We've never stopped. Later, guys. Bye. Bye.

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