The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous In Depth: Dr. Joe Park

Episode Date: March 30, 2021

Ben and Ashley go IN DEPTH with fan favorite Dr. Joe Park! He clears the air about the rumors that he’s going to Paradise and you won’t believe the last time he went on an ACTUAL date.We hear about his friendship with Bennett and why Kelley Flanagan might come between them in Paradise. Plus, Joe lets us in on his strong relationship with his parents and how their marriage shaped his search for love. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is Ben and Ashley I, almost famous in depth. It is the offseason for the Almost Famous podcast. And one of Ashley and I, that's wrong, right? We're going to yell that for that. No, Ashley and Mai. Ashley and Mai. Yeah, one of Ashley and Mai's favorite things to do is to sit down in the off season and talk to some of Bachelor Nation's favorites about them as people, their lives, what they're learning, what they're experiencing, what their future is.

This is an in-depth episode with Dr. Joe Park, and we could not be more pumped for. Ashley, you've been waiting for this one for a while. What are you feeling? Oh, I'm very excited. I'm just so excited to have an in-depth, and especially with such a fan favorite from the past season or two. And Joe was just announced as like the first contestant to be going to Paradise, I believe, confirmed, because Rob Mills did tweet that out a couple weeks ago. so we'll talk to him about that and then at the end of this episode we'll have headlines

let's do it hey uh ashley let's bring them in dr joe what's going on buddy hey what's up guys not much just uh you know just living it that's the way to do just living it all right old joe so with these mini indabs or in-debs whatever you want to call it we really start with the beginning of somebody's life you know their childhood so can you tell us about your nuclear family what your childhood was like how many siblings you have how how happy the marriage did your parents have all that yeah dude i'm into it yeah for sure so it was a dark and stormy night it was march 31st 1984 um march 31st your birthday is in james it's coming happy birthday yeah it's coming thank you so much thank you so much um but now these

birthdays are not occasion i look forward to now i kind of avoid them at this point of my life so but Thank you. 37, huh? 37, 37, I know. Don't remind me. But yeah, so I grew up in Long Island. I'm one of five kids. My parents have been happily married since 1981.

And they still go for walks. They still send me pictures of them, just going on little like hikes and adventures, walking the dog. I'm the second of five children. Fortunately, we all live in New York. so we see each other not infrequently, which is such a blessing. Yeah, it's beautiful.

I have a lot of cousins and nieces and nephews running around, or like second cousins, actually. I have one nephew, official nephew. But you know, my cousins have kids. I think they're second cousins. So a lot of them running around and spent most of my life on Long Island aside from school in D.C. for four years and worked there for two years. And I traveled a bit, you know, before med school,

for like six months around Central America, just kind of bummed around Central America a little bit. Aside from that, I've mostly been in New York pursuing this whole medicine thing, which tends to take up a fair amount of time. And yeah, that's kind of like the really, like, nuts and bolts of it. What part of Central America? My trip pre-med school was I did it all other countries in Central America.

mostly stationed in Nicaragua, but really traveled through all of them, just looking for different surf spots throughout. So it was a beautiful trip. And I've been pretty much back every year since then. Minus has passed year, obviously. I spend two months of my life every year in Honduras. So get out of here. No, yeah. So two months every year for the last like 10 years, I spend in Honduras and San Pedro Sula, like El Progressal area. So I know all about Central America, we got to talk about it. There's a lot we could do. do down there together. That'd be cool. Oh, dude, it's amazing down there. I love it.

On Instagram, I was seeing all your intense surfer photos. How did a kid from Long Island get to be so good on the waves? You know, actually, there's a big surf scene in Long Island. I grew up right next to a town called Long Beach, New York, not because Long Beach, California. Actually, a lot of great surfers come out of there. One of the best big wave surfers, Will Scudin, is from Long Beach, California. I mean, Long Beach, New York. So start surfing a little bit on Long Island.

And then, you know, as the years went by, I visited California, I was there for like a month and surfed there. And then since then, just been surfing in Long Island, Central America. I've served in, like, Vancouver. I've done Ecuador. So I've been traveling a lot for surfing here in there, Bali. It was a beautiful trip. So, yeah, it's possible, man.

When these hurricanes run through, come through. It's like, it's terrible for most people, but surfers are like, wait, hurricane? Like, what? So it's yeah, it's kind of a kind of weird you know, but yeah. Well, one of the things as we're talking about your childhood and I think

we're going to get to it here is a good time for it. You on the show and after the show, right? The show is always something and it can portray people all sorts of ways, but it's usually fairly accurate. But one of the things that always stood out to us was you always had a smile in your face. You were

always like a level-headed kind of like a connector like if that makes sense like that you could tell that you didn't want to add anything any drama more to the scene than there already was where does that come from because even after the show like watching on social media and hearing about you through friends like where where where does that spirit and that desire to just connect and love on people welcome from you know that's a good question I don't know where comes from per se, I will say, I've got amazing parents. I mean that, like, my mom is like the kindest, sweetest, like, most caring individual. I could just regale you with stories of her just being, like, just, like, otherworldly kind. And my dad has always been a very social,

very, like, he's been a connector in his life, like, politically. And I think it comes from there. And I think just being an empathetic human being goes so, So far in life, and I think it would help in any situation, including the situations that are facing our society now, we're all just trying to do the best we can. I think once you realize that it's like nobody's, nobody wants to be bad. Everyone just thinks, you know, everyone's thinking they're doing the right thing or they're trying to like be good. They just, their message is misconstrued or they don't know how to convey it. they can't convey it in the way they want to convey it and the message garbled but nobody i don't think anyone thinks i'm going to be a jerk and i'm going to show the world i'm a jerk and i think just

knowing that like nobody thinks that and just just starting from there i think you could just be like hey like that sounded really wrong and that came across kind of aggressive but like what do you mean by that like you like just go and you know just like develop that further like you know like unpacked that. And tell me what you really mean, because I know it's not exactly what it sounds like. Love that. It's shown back. With your, with your parents, did they have any influence on you wanting to be a doctor? Did you have that kind of drive naturally? Or do you think that was something your parents instilled in you? So my parents were like, my dad came here, you know, Dollar Dream. Both them literally peddled in Chinatown for years. And then eventually got

enough to open a shop and sold like clothes for a period of time. And then now they opened up like, again, still just have a store that sells uniforms. So super humble, super blue collar. Start from the bottom. And were they immigrants? Yes, they were immigrants. Yeah, they came to the US in the late 70s and early 80s. From where? What were they? What city were they living in? They came from South Korea. And they, my dad from like a very small fishing village on the coast of South, on the east coast, South Korea.

And my mom is from around Seoul. And they both came in like the early 80s and like in the late 70s. And again, just like literally just sold trinkets like on the street, you know, and like literally just had to have. had a table and sold little American flags, little like really the American dream. And they started from there and then from there it's just their work ethic,

I think was instilled in us in the very young age. And I think all of all five of us, all five of their kids, kids like obviously we love them and we appreciate them and we know how hard they work and we, I mean, yeah, so I think you can't help, you know, being surrounded by that for however many years, at least 18 years and then more thereafter,

can't help but be influenced and have that be kind of infused into you. And I just feel lucky that I was born into such a beautiful family and awesome parents. Oh, that's so sweet. I love that story. Yeah. So real quick, a little off, but I'm intrigued. How did they meet? I was going to ask yeah. Oh, that's a good question. And not completely unrelated to the bachelor. They met in the U.S. and they were like taking a couple of classes at Hunter. And neither than finished, either than graduated college. And they were taking classes at Hunter College in New York City.

And they were just taking a couple of classes just like as a survey courses, you know, just getting their feet wet in the American education system. And they met in class and six months later, my dad proposed. And my mom had actually kind of been seeing somebody at the time. and he this person i think had gone away to korea for for a bit and it came back as like what like what yeah shocker for like a couple of months and this is what happened you know and um and oddly and it's like a trend of my family my my younger brother was married with and my only and for

happily married for a few years for like nine years and um my only nephew is from my younger brother they got engaged after nine months and My older brother got married the last year, and he got engaged after like eight months of dating, I think. So, like, moving fast, like, when you know, in my family, like, you know, and that's kind of one of the reasons why I was like, the bachelor or the bachelor, it might be right up my alley. Like, once you just, like, see it and you like it, like, maybe that's it all it takes, like, and you're in and you just know. So it's kind of weird than that well. You are well suited for this. That's awesome to hear, especially since we know.

that you're headed to paradise we'll get there later i want to talk about okay this little stat that i've kind of come up with and i really do need to do like a little bit more numerical research on it i've mentioned this a couple of times on the podcast it it seems that when it comes down to the final four at least 75% of the final four and about 80% of the top 10 on the bachelor and bachelorette happen to have parents who are still married which obviously defeats the national odds. So do you feel like your parents' marriage and how happy it was was one of the reasons that, like, you feel like you're a hopeless romantic type that was drawn to the show? That's a good question. You know, I would say in part, again, what I describe

their kind of whirlwind, like meeting than marriage, definitely was part of it. And also, yeah, I think when you come from a place where you see love and you kind of have that example growing up and you see it throughout it somewhere it's not always like unicorns and rainbows but you see arguments here they weren't like you know devoid of that but the vast majority it was like love and again just like spending time with each other and I think when you have that structure in place I think when you you can recognize like love you can just see it and you see it in yourself you see the comfort you have with somebody you see How much, let's say this, it's like when you interact with somebody, you kind of, I think, based on interactions you see or I see with my parents, it's like there's a level of comfort, a level of understanding that I always see with my parents.

And I think that's something I look for as well. I think we all look for it. And I think when you see it a lot, you can recognize it when you have it with somebody else. And it's rare. give you wrong it's not easy to find but when you when you find it it's special and I think having that being around it all the time you can recognize it when you find it when you find it so I would say for that reason I think maybe it's the same way for all these final fours that they also are they're open to it and they're like I'll know it when I find it and if I've found it in this person then I'll pursue it and see what happens I apologize if I miss this or forgot about it from the show. But have you been in love before?

Like, have you dated, had serious relationships leading up to the show? Yeah, definitely. I've had a three-year relationship, and she was a great girl. And I still have very fun memories and nothing but good feelings towards her. I've had a number of, like, one to two-year relationships with part of that. So I'm pretty much a serious. real monogamous in my life. That's what I've been in my life.

And again, that's another reason why I was like, let me try this thing because, you know, I'm ready for that next step. Obviously, the worst thing would be to force it and to rush into it and take that step of somebody who may not be right for you. And so I'm still waiting to find that person. Obviously, I'm still like not gonna just

take that leap. I want to know that it's the right step and we're the right for each other. But I've definitely had a lot of love and I'm grateful for that as well because this is kind of weird, but I kind of think we're all worthy of love on one hand.

Can I curse on this show? Is that, or is this PG? I'll not do it. Yeah, you can curse. We're all kind of like, we're all kind of assholes, too, on the inside. You know what I mean? Like, we're all kind of like,

like we're all not, great human beings. We're all, like, selfish-ish also. So we're both, like, dogs, especially got men, but we're also all deserving of love. I think there is this dichotomy where it's like, you got to like, when you're first meeting somebody and first, like, you know, courting somebody, if you're like, oh, this is why I'm the man. And then afterwards, like, later you're like, man, but I hope they accept me for the piece of crap that I really am. It's not really like, but I'm going extreme too, but I hope they can accept me for all my faults and all my, like, insecurity is in everything after.

So this weird like interplay between like this uber confidence and this like, you know, at least for me it is. But I think a lot of the guys, my friend I speak, is the same thing. We totally understand. I've said multiple times on the show that like I find it annoying when people are like, I deserve love. Like I can't believe I was cut. I deserve love.

It's like yeah. Like I'm pretty sure very few people out there horrible, horrible people may not deserve love. But like pretty sure everybody on The Bachelor. deserves love it's uh i will tell you this jo um doctor joe if you find love on this television show that that that that the mission if you find love in this experience i think the internet would break i don't know of one cast member in the last year to two years that will be coming on the paradise that would be more cheered for than you you like grasped the heart hearts of people in a way that's like, let's, if you happen to have your love story play out

and we can watch it, people are going to freak out. Now, no pressure, but I'm going to be one of those people. I'm going to be at my home, tears in my eyes, cheering for you. And just the whole experience in general. Hey, let's take a break here. When we come back, we're going to dig in a little bit more to Joe's life. Uh, his experience coming up that's going to be on Bachelor in Paris. Let's get him to confirm that first. We have had it tweeted, but let's get Joe to confirm it. also talk about what's going on in, uh, in the Asian community, uh, when it comes to Asian hate. Hey, we'll be back with the almost famous podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called emergency intercom.

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Dr. Joe, when did you decide that you wanted to be a doctor? that's a good question um i kind of always thought like if you looked at my like fifth grade what do you want to do when you grow up it was pediatrician so i kind of always wanted to be a doctor um it just took a little bit longer you know i worked for four years before med school um because i wasn't sure i wanted to do it but i wasn't sure i was ready to commit to it but um i'm super glad that I had that time because it really helped me create kind of like a philosophy as to why. I mean, I was trying to hammer down why I wanted to be a doctor. And I really felt like during those four years, I was able to form a good rationale as to why like, that's something

I want to pursue for the rest of my life. And so I'm grateful for that time as well to kind of develop as they're human before, like, being around humans in their time of need, their, their, their most dire and some of their hardest times of their lives. And I think it takes, should have, in my own opinion, some life experience and some level of, obviously, empathy and understanding of people before you jump into that. So, yeah, I was happy that I had that. I feel like people must tell you all the time. You must get the best reviews, on your bedside manner is this true i get decent reviews on bedside manner yeah but i think it's just like i love people you know i and i just think it's such a privilege to be with them

at their in their moment of need like today i actually had a five-year-old girl who need an appendectomy and i was i was relieving somebody who was on overnight and she's in the room she's just rolled into the room and this weird shift change where I didn't get to meet her before, and she's just laying there cry. Like, like, this is really sad because she was without her parents in this cold operating room. And I just wonder, like, hey, like, hey, you're going to be fine. Like, don't worry. Like, you're just going to take a nap. I wish I was taking a nap instead of you. Oh, my gosh. Like, you're going to be, you're going to do great. And I showed her all the stuff. Like, this is just a light. We can put this on your finger. You know, it's just like, no,

nothing sharp. It's literally just a light. You hear that, you hear that beating. That's your heart. You know, like, just listen to it. It's like, pretty cool. And so it's just like, you know, yeah, again, it's a privilege to be with this person. And then, you know, just to like, because yeah, I mean, it's such a crazy field. It's such medicine is so crazy to see people so sick and you know, honestly even see inside their bodies.

It's just an intimate relationship you have with people. And again, it's not to be taken lightly. So I love it. And it's super interesting too. And I love it. So after that, yeah, I just have ask if they put you on a lot of pediatric cases. I have to, like, I, I, I get very interested in this medical stuff. I've talked plenty of times. My dad is an anesthesiologist like you. Yeah.

Yeah. When you talk about that. Yeah. And I just, I'm having this 33-year-old crisis that I wish that I became a dermatologist. I'm like, oh, God, is it too late to go back to school? It is because I didn't do pre-med. Look, if I could just jump into it, I may do it, but I'd have, I'd have like 15 years of school. It actually is probably too late for me. But do they put you on a lot of pediatric cases? Because that was just the sweetest story you just shared. I don't look for them. Sometimes they just kind of fall into your lap. And so I love kids. And again, another life. I would probably be pediatrician. But yeah, I mean, happy to take care of young, old, and everything in between. Seriously, whatever comes my way. I'm happy to see and take care of.

I have a couple buddies or anesthesiologist. What is your source of entertainment during surgery? Because I know that sometimes you have these long surgeries. Your job isn't done, but it's kind of set up. What is your, what do you do while the surgery is going on? That's a really good. There's a lot. I mean, it's kind of going to be weird, but like you always have to be aware of the monitors,

obviously, because those monitors represent the patient's life. But sometimes doing these stretches, I have a stretch routine. Actually, I do like a 15-minute stretching routine. where I'm like, I'm looking at the monitors, I'm listening to the monitors, but I'm still like doing some arms, like doing hip, like, yeah. So like, I'll start. And like, now the surgeons know, like, oh, it's just Joe doing his thing. They're not like, what the hell is it?

Like, because they'll see me like squatted on the ground. Like, what the hell is this guy doing? But, you know, I'm, I'm staring at the monitor just like for like in a weird low lunch and, and yeah, so do that. Sometimes I have like these like Spanish flash. I'm learning Spanish, I'm like, I picked up Spanish during the quarantine. So like, I like, I like. like, you know, flash card here and they're like once, you know, once in a while,

look at a flash card here and there. Um, I'll look at the surgeries. There's so many different surgeries and everything's always changing. And so that's a beautiful thing about medicine and anesthesia. There's always something new. There's always something to learn. So a lot of times I'm staring at the surgery, just looking at the monitor, being like, it's really interesting.

Like, so what exactly you're doing here? So I'm not saying I could perform an appendectomy, but I think it could talk someone through it pretty well better than like a surgery. Gregory resident, I would say, better than a first year for sure. So yeah, I mean, there's so much, it's such a dynamic environment. There's always something to be doing. So after you took your four years in between college and med school, where did you end up going to med school? I went to Stony Brook School of Medicine out in Stony Brook, Long Island. But I think now it's called Renaissance. But yeah, it's out of Stony Brook. Awesome place. It was, there aren't that. that many, I mean, so the further east you go out of Long Island, the less sparse, the more sparse it is, in certain population. So Stony Brook was the preeminent hospital in Suffolk County. And so we saw a lot of interesting cases. We saw a lot of intense surgeries. And again, I met some

my best friends in med school. So again, I love my time in that school. And to your point, Ashley, like, one, you've got great skin, so dermatology would be perfect for you. And two, um, I think I love the ride and, and I mean, like, I know it's probably tongue and cheek they're saying, you know, you want to be dermatologist, but if you love it. A little, it's like 50% serious. The ride is good. You know, like med school is a lot of work, but like, if you're doing what you really want to do and you're around people who are just so motivated and so smart, you're like, you can't help but feel like you're part of a special group and again it's such a privilege once you started doing clinical rotations seeing like like when I was in med school I remember

I was I did finance before and I was like I used to go to these meetings and we're talking about like growth and you know growth charges a lot of expense before I just studied finance I did I did consulting so it was like before going to med school yeah yeah so what'd you study in college I started international affairs in college actually so Very circuitous. Like, yeah, yeah, it's kind of like a little jack of all trades. But it's an international affairs in college. Then I did healthcare consulting in D.C. for two years.

And then I did cancer, I did research, neural oncology research, I saw Kettering in New York for two years. But during that time, doing consulting, I've got to these meetings, and the meetings would always be about, like, how to increase revenue, how to increase productivity, you know, normal things that companies have to worry about. And then I went to med school and my meetings were like how the human body works and like how drugs affect the human body and like advances in cancer therapies. I'm like this is like what I have to do like just the juxtaposition of the two was so, was so different and and obviously so much more interesting and important, you know, in med school than in my role as a consultant.

And so I kind of like reinforced, I'm like, man, I'm in the right place. And if I have to spend, you know, like a night instead of answering emails and working on a spreadsheet, if I have to study anatomy and figure out, oh, the four chambers of the heart and how like the Babesian veins work, like that is so much more interesting than, again, like any of these Excel spreadsheets. And everybody would find interesting. I mean, not everyone wants to spend that time, but like, I mean, I know, like to figure it, to know how your heart works, I mean, you don't even think about it, but it's beating 80 times a minute, every minute, 24 hours a day, seven days a week for hopefully 90 years of your life.

And you don't even think about it, right? And it's such a beautiful thing to know how we all work, you know? And it's, again, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I loved it. And if you, if you really thinking about it, I say you go for it, seriously. So thinking about sometimes going into like a physician's assistant thing. So it's not 100% full school, you know, to that degree. Yeah, but, you know, like still being able to write prescriptions and, like, understand the human body on a very deep level. Yeah, yeah.

I say pro-write prescriptions as if that's why I want to think the weirdest thing I could say. I just mean, like, you know, you're just a step below doctor. Yeah, no, you take care of people, which is the most important thing. You understand the human body and you take care of people with that knowledge. And that's what medicine is all about. Well, speaking of taking care of people, you know, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, love having people on this podcast, especially in depth, because we can dive into some stuff that really matters in this world. Not that The Bachelor doesn't, but it doesn't make the world

go around. And one of the things that are coming up recently is all the stories of Asian hate existing really around the globe, but focused here in the U.S. because that's where we're living and that's where we're functioning. To kind of dive into this conversation, if you don't mind, just sharing your story, kind of what you're processing through this, what you're learning and hearing. And then I, I mean, Ashley and I would love to dig into this with you a little bit. Sure. I mean, this past year has been, I think, a difficult time for everybody. Literally everybody. The pandemic has to be difficult for like the 6.7 billion people who live on this planet. In the U.S., you know, I was with BLM, which, you know, really gained fervor last June, July, and continues, you know, to have that energy behind it.

And, yeah, recently, we're not recently, but it's kind of been shown recently, or people are becoming more aware of the hate and violence that Asians have been experiencing. in the past year as well and it kind of took a little bit of time for the numbers to come out but recently the numbers came out that during 2020 there's been there was a 150% increase in violence direct and hate directed toward Asian Americans and so you know personally it's such a weird dynamic because here I am right like me Joe Asian American Korean American parents are, again, came from Korea. And I'm on, I'm at this platform with you guys, and thank you so much for having me and letting me talk about this, seriously.

But here I am talking to you guys about this on this podcast. I was on our reality television show on a major American network. We have our first Asian American vice president. We have Peng Joon Ho, who won Best Directors. Parasite won best film last year at Academy Awards. Chloe Zow won the Golden Globe for Best Director for Nomad Land. We have Stephen Young, who is nominated for Best Actor at the Steelers Academy Awards.

So on one hand, there's been so much progress. And this is maybe the best that's ever been. And so far from Mickey Rooney's portrayal of Mr. Inyochi in Rex of Tiffany's. At the same time, I know that I see these stats. a hundred percent increase in hate and violence for Asian Americans in the patent 2020. I see videos of people, Asian men, women, elderly people who look like my mom and my dad getting attacked on a subway. I see young Asian Americans getting punched in the face, unprovoked. And it's this stark contrast that's really hard. It's hard to get you wrap your head

around. You know, it is both is both the best of times and the worst of times in so many ways. And it's definitely something that we're all coming to grips with, especially after the shooting in the suburbs around Atlanta, where, again, eight people died, six of whom were Asian American women. So it's definitely something that is becoming more recognized and more people are aware of it. And here we are talking about it. And I think that's, that's, that's, that's, that's how you move forward. You know, it's not something that we see and we experience and we hear about and we don't talk about, like when there's a problem in a relationship or between anybody, between

your coworker, between your, you know, your parents, between your, your loved, any loved one, your partner, you know, talk about it. And here we are talking about it. And again, that's the first step for sure. one of the things i mean you just said it but it's the best of times and the worst of times which is a word that is now getting used a lot more but it's a word that i think really encapsulates this whole time it's disorienting right like how do you because it's the best of times the worst of times how do you process as an asian asian american the disorientation

within it all and to see the future like the what could become of the future So I think, again, there have been so many groups in American history that have suffered. And I think with Asians especially, we are considered a model minority. We are considered a group that somehow has become, has gained a special status. is they're doing fine. When in reality, in a relative proportion, at least in New York City, there's a greater percentage of Asian Americans or Asians who are impoverished than any other race. Asians are living in like tenements in Chinatown.

It's just not talked about because the people in mainstream society you see are the doctors, are the finance people, are the lawyers. I just think a recognition of that is the first step. And again, I love that we can have this conversation. Again, even within the hate, best of times or times. Now more people have heard about Vincent Chin, about the murder of an Asian American man in 1982. For nothing, for no other reason aside from the color of skin.

More people are becoming or re-acclimating themselves with Japanese internment camps during World War II, where American citizens were forcibly removed from their homes, the printer interment camps. In the United States, in the 1940s, we're learning about Fred Korematsu during that same era. And so there's a lot that people are being exposed to. And again, these conversations are what's going to help,

again, first is like that knowledge that, oh, shoot, I didn't even know about that. I didn't know, you know, Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. I'd never heard of that before. Maybe you hear about that, and with an empathetic heart, you know, and a curious mind, a little bit of both, you'll learn more about it. And you understand the struggles of people, you know, who you can't obviously put into one, you know, single, like, there's no monolithic Asian culture. You know, we are all individuals. And I think

knowing the struggle that a group has, has already been through it, and then it continues to go through, especially in this past year and currently, helps appreciate maybe a little bit like, man, you know, just straight up, my life would have been a lot easier if I was white. If I had the exact same stats, if I had the exact same grades, if I was the exact same everything, except for the pigment in my skin, I might be in a better place right now. And if someone had darker or their eyes were a little smaller, maybe I might be in a word, like those people might be in a worst place for no other reason but that. I think just recognizing that would take us so far.

I think that's kind of how I'm pressing. I think it's a terrible thing that's happening, obviously, to people who look like me, but also great that people are talking about. What do you think the correlation is between the rise of Asian hate this year and the coronavirus? Do you believe that there is? I mean, without question, the rhetoric of the past administration has did a lot of damage to or help. stope the flames that, you know, it didn't cause it. You can't say it was the reason why people had anytime there's a bad, there's something negative in anyone's life, especially on a big scale,

we all, it's human nature to want to blame something or something. That's just human nature. And knowing where this, you know, this virus originated from, I think it's easy to say, you know, okay, well, it's because of these people, even though these people, these people, people, anyone who's been attacked, I would bet any amount of money, they have zero connection to this middle-sized city, you know, on the other side of the globe. The idea that, you know, Noel Cantano got slashed from ear to year on a New York State subway has any relation to Wuhan, China is insane. And I think that's, unfortunately. Unfortunately, to people who want to blame,

have, you know, give blame to something, to someone. People are angry with their situation and who will, which a lot of people are, and understandably so, and they want to attribute blame. It's a natural human reaction to want to blame someone. And unfortunately, that blame has been put on people who look like me, you know, Asian Americans. And I think it's a,

same as like it's like what if instead of Asian Americans all of a sudden we knew it came from people with freckles and everyone's freckles people were punching in the face on the street randomly or saying like the nastiest things too or being literally like with a box cutter sliced like because it had freckles it's the same thing or what if it had hazel eyes what if it's people with hazel eyes spread this disease now everyone is like attacking people with hazel eyes like I think that would help Americans of all colors and all, you know, from all backgrounds, I understand how arbitrary it is to attack any Asian American, you know, and or throw any, like, hateful words towards them,

direct any hate towards them because of a random happenstance of genetics and mutations and animal transmissions that happen, again, completely randomly in this random city in China. There's a long history of viruses being named after the place of origin, you know, Ebola, West Nile, Spanish flu. Do you feel like this is a pattern that needs to stop for this reason that we're seeing? Thankfully, you know, the coronavirus is the class of virus, but I think more, I think it's okay to understand origins of things. I don't think it's wrong to know, you know,

how things came about, the reasons they came about, the antecedents, I think it's important to understand these things, but I think the next level is to educate all, you know, ourselves and knowing that, like, because it comes from China, you know, a city in China, you know, one city, you know, like, that capitalates 1.7 billion people who live there, you know, and has no relation, you know, that city has a relationship probably to the rest of the country. And that, and nobody in the United States has any relation to that little city in that big country. You know, like it's so, I think it just takes another level where it's like, just because it's named after something. I mean, it's the fault of the people there, you know, that it exists.

You know, that is a fact of globalization, you know, of, yeah, just the reality of the times you're living in. I mean, there's, you go on and on about why pandemic. occur. And I think we're almost lucky that it hadn't happened earlier, you know. It could happen in China, but it could easily come out of, you know, Europe. And I think, again, it doesn't matter, but it's like the first cases of the coronavirus spread from Asia, to Europe and then to the United States. So, but again, it doesn't matter. You know, like, we're all sharing this burden together. And, um, pandemics. happen. It sounds crazy, but they happen. And hopefully it won't happen again in our

lifetimes, but it's going to happen again. It's not the fault of the place of origin that it happens. Like, it's just a fault of biology and, you know, human globalization and interaction with different species of animal. Anyway, that's just a different conversation all the other. The thing that this is bringing up, and I really would love to hear your perspective on it. So, you know, 2020 has been an interesting year, right? Because as you said, there's a burden that we're all universally carrying. But in the midst of that, we've had some movements come up, some knowledge that have been brought to the attention of, especially the American people,

to say there's some injustice going on in the world. These things have been happening for hundreds upon hundreds of years. now it's now it's in front of us and it's almost like it feels like almost time okay what's the decision you're going to make are you going to choose to start to try to heal and to help or to hurt more and to change your rhetoric to be even more hurtful okay so what i'm getting at is how do we now in the midst of knowing there's so much injustice that is around us every day how do we get in front of it as people so that it doesn't happen to have have 150% increase in violence and it doesn't have to have the death of people of color at the hands of others for us to finally

take notice. So in your life right now, because you're a smart dude, who I know I can learn a lot from, how are you now paying attention and staying curious to what other injustices are happening around us so that it doesn't take this again? That's a really, really good question. I think all of us, myself included, I think we all have preconceived notions. And that's, again, that's the human condition to have that. That's part of how we just, you know, this is how we operate. But just to know, I think, one, as far as hate goes, first level, I think, is empathy. And just knowing, kind of what I've been saying, kind of already, I feel like it's on a broken record, but just knowing that person in front of

you, whoever, whatever color, whatever, you know, race, whatever religion, wherever they're from, whatever gender, like you may not know who they are, but what you do know, what you probably do know, you don't know where they're from, you know, you don't know how they grew up, you don't know the struggles they went through, but what you probably do know is they want the same things that you want out of life. They want to be loved. They want to be heard. They want to feel appreciated. They have family that they care about or friends that they really care about and want to be safe, they want their needs met. And so knowing of that, again, like how much we all are the same, I think that is the first step. Like, you know, that Nigerian immigrant,

I don't know him or her at all. But I do know, you know, as an immigrant, as a child, I know how the struggle. When I hear an accident, I don't think, like, oh, man, what are you doing? I think, man, like, it took you that much. You know another language fluently, but it took you that much just to learn a language. How many Americans know two languages? You know, like, it's a fault of America, but like, I'm like, good for you, man, or girl. Like, you know, like, thank you for putting in that effort to, like, meet me at my level. And I think just, again, keeping having that empathy which is kind of a function that makes us human having that empathy is like such is like that first step and just pause and all like whatever if you can seem to hate

or negative you have towards somebody or some group just think for a second like what don't you know about like what do you really know about that person on the street what do you really know about that person or that person the next to you or that person on the subway that person like you know anywhere and like how much again as a human being do you think you can relate with you know like I just think there's so much more we all have in common I think once you realize that like we'd all be good you know Asian black like whatever you are wherever you are I think that that's the thing that binds us all you know like we're all doing the best we can like I said to start this thing and and that's where it starts you know no one everyone's just trying their best you're the best

Joe Park. You're awesome. I will say on a societal level, though, I do think, like, again, I do think representation in government and in social media, like, there are also populations to get a little more in, like, middle America who've never met an Asian person. They've never met, never met a Jewish person. Maybe they don't, never met a black person before. And so that's why, like, social media, like media matter. That's why, like, Black Panther was such a breakthrough, right? to have a predominantly African-American cast as, like, heroes, someone on your post, like on your wall, you have Black Panther and why I'm so happy about the strides that Asian-American cinematography is made

because there's this push-pull between, like, norms and ideas in society and social media, and not social media, but media, and media, mass media. And sometimes, a lot of times, I think, unfortunately, The Bachelor is just, again, reflective of society but there's sometimes where like again hopefully with this i think right now this this this this asian an as american renaissance in movies it's like there's this pull that's like yo like there's some really good actors and great filmmakers and it makes me think like they're not just the the karate the guy who knows karate or the the the computer or the dorky dude you know like there are levels to this as there are to any anybody so anyway

Well, you were one of the few Asian men on The Bachelorette. Why do you think there's been so few? Do you think it's for lack of applicants or just casting choices? That is such a fair question. I really think it's probably more the former. I mean, to be on this show, I talked, I talked about this when I was there. There's so many, like, and you guys both know this, there's so many, like, things you have to go, like, filters you have to go through.

You need a certain, like you have a certain amount of time off, first of all, to be able to go on the show. You need to be a certain, like, age range. You need to, honestly, probably have a certain look, like, you know, and physique. You have to go through some other, like, health-related tests they have to go through. So to distill all of that down and also to know, again, the audience, it attracts. and who watched this, the Democrat for the people who watched show for fans of the show.

I really think, like, I wonder how many Asian people apply to be on the show. I don't, I would imagine very, very few. And so, in fairness to the franchise, I kind of think it's, it's a bit of both, you know, like, I don't know how many

people, Asians could fit all these filters. It'd be tough. So it would be a fair question. Excuse me for not being able to word this as eloquently as I would like, I feel like the Asian community has certain values that perhaps don't align with the franchise. Do you think that that that could be why there are fewer of that race that apply?

I think that that's a fair point, Ashley. And I thank you for being even like, come up to ask that, you know, seriously, because that's worded perfectly. I think that's fair. I think, you know, as a culture, we're just told to just say, like, just work hard like don't try to stand out too much be humble um being on television in front of like six million people like the opposite of like most of the values especially on people who are like children of immigrants you know especially immigrants like yo like don't make a scene just like let

your like the body of your work speak for itself you know get the grades you know excel in in the arts, in athletics. I mean, it just, like, speak excellent. And let that, you know, show anyone who wants to see it or any ethnic you apply to. Let that be evidence of who you are. Not, like, go on a TV show and, like, show the world, you know, like how brave or how stupid you are, how, whatever,

whatever you want to say, we are on that show. So I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that's probably part of it, too. I don't think anybody was like I don't know how many people grow up and say oh man I can't wait I really want to be on a reality television show I don't think very people say that

but I think I literally nobody none of my Asian friends growing up said that well Joe we appreciate you having this conversation with us we're going to take a break here when we come back we have a few more minutes left with you we're going to talk about this rumor that's swirling around that you are the first

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All right, now for the question our audience has been waiting for, Joe. Are you going to Paradise like Rob Mills tweeted? I remember the last time you spoke with us back in October, November. You said that you hoped to be in a relationship by the time filming rolled around. So what's up? You know, sometimes your hopes go unfulfilled. And that is the case with this full relationship thing as well. As far as Paradise, you know, yeah, I saw the tweet.

And I saw a couple articles on, um, uh, And a few prominent, like, magazines doing like a deep dive. So to that, I would say I am not confirmed to go to paradise. I'm not sure it's my vibe. They didn't get permission to put that out there. No. Well, we're going to wait and see about this because, Dr. Joe, you might not know it yet. But I think you've already been signed up for Paradise.

So you better start figuring out how to get that time off because the headlines. I've been eating ice cream, a pint of my ice cream like four times of the week. I hope it's not. I'm not ready. You'll be just fine. Well, if you were going on the Paradise, do your parents like watching a show?

Like, is this something that they enjoy doing from you on The Bachelorette? Like, are they pushing it and pumped for it? My parents are always kind of like nervous. I don't know if they're ever that excited, but they, I knew they're into it. Um, I think my parents were similar in the sense they were nervous for me. Like, this is something you really want to do? Like, what do you want to gain from this?

Like, what are you really trying to get out of this? And I tell them, you know, doing enough for the followers, baby. Like, I just want the answer to them. No, I tell, I just tell them like, yeah, it's just a random thing to do. And like, you know, you only live once. And it's just like, again, like, I tell them, like, look at your story. Look at, you know, James is my older brother's story. Look at my younger brother's story.

Like, lightning can strike. You know, it's struck a couple of times already in our family. Like, who's to say it doesn't, it can happen again? And so I say, like, you know, I'll try not to embarrass you. I can't make any promises. Like, I wonder what happened had I lost that we played strip dodgeball in my season on the freshman. I wonder what would happen if I lost, you know, like I, thank God.

I never had to go, you know, they have to face that, but I think they just really want to make sure it's something that I want. And again, if I decided, they support it. And so that's why they're good parents. That's right. Well, yeah, we'll wait and see. We'll be fancy here. We'll hopefully have it back on. You've been a friend of the podcast. You've been on a few times. Now, we always appreciate it. So if you do confirm, or if you don't, you still matter to us. And we do always hope to be watching you. Now, here's a part. We're going to get to Bachelor headlines in just a second with you. We're going to speed through those.

But before we do to close this segment of Dr. Joe Park's in-depth episode, Ashley always has a rapid fire round with our guest. And she has definitely set one up for you. So Ashley, take it away. Okay. What is your favorite case to do to do anesthesia on? Oh, that's a good question. I like knee replacements.

It's weird. That's so random. I'll tell you why. One, I love taking up elderly patients, like kids and elderly are my favorite. But elderly patients are like the most, the realest people ever. And I love just the realness. Like, hey, how are you doing? They're like, that's a great doc.

You know, like I'm here in a hospital. Like, what do you mean? I just love their realness. And with that, you actually do a bunch of nerve blocks after the procedure. It's kind of fun to like do something that's like not just like treating them and keeping them comfortable, but also somewhat therapeutic and helps them with their. pain after the procedure for the next day. And it's a lot of, it's like anatomy and it's like technical skill. And again, all that together is, um, that's what's part of like a, uh, like a joint,

like a knee replacement. And so and, and what to be exertions are pretty fun. They're pretty, um, like a fun group. So I appreciate like their personalities and stuff too. So they were usually the jocks in school. That's, yeah, they're bros. They're definitely. No, no medical like stereotype is more true. So I don't talk about stereotypes all the time, but like, when you see that tall jacked dude, you're like, that guy's not a big surgeon. Like, you just know it, you just, it's, it's, you can see it from a mile away. So yeah. Usually the surgeons pick the music in the OR. So what are you usually excited to hear? You know, that's true. In my, in, in, in our ORs, it's more diplomatic. And recently, I like, yeah, like yesterday we listened to a little Lauren Hill unplugged, you know, to bring it back to The Bachelor, we all love, I'm sure, like, we're all kind of in the same age range, the miseducation of Lauren Hill, and that was a seminal record, you know, album. And she had a great unplugged album in 2002. And I got to find a piece of mind, Matt Jane.

James had on his recent post, and I was like, man, I haven't got a song in years. And so I know it's not exactly a question, but that was one song I played recently. And the orthopedic surgeon was like vibed with it too. And he was like, she messes up here. And I was like, oh, dude, like, again, another reason why, again, I love all the doing orthopedic procedures. And yeah, that was kind of like the most memorable song and song choice recently. Awesome. what is your typical night look like when you get home from work you know normally i get home from work um i pound some energy drinks and that i do a podcast that's pretty much so this is pretty

no no that's what you normally do yeah no normally i'll either i'll play um a little guitar um i'll have like a i do like spanish tutoring online um i have like a weight a couple of i've a adjustable weight in my closet over here. So I'll do like a workout. And now the weather's getting great. I have a couple of goals for like this next year. And a marathon is one of them. So I've been running a lot.

And the weather's getting better. So I'm running a lot. Yeah, New York in in the spring is beautiful. The more you speak, the more I wonder how the hell you're single. I think it's that you haven't found somebody worthy of you yet. What was your last date? When was it? And what did you do?

you know it was pre-show this is like you have to go on a day post show since you become like the bachelor um this is not i'm not even this is not like um podcast like reality this is like reality this is a sad reality uh yeah it's true it's a weird thing and then you guys can relate like and i've been last time around you're like yo like look at those dms but i did not to heed your advice. I've just been kind of like, again, trying to hope I was kind of hoping it happens kind of like naturally kind of in the real world kind of. But during the pandemic, it's tough.

So the last thing I went on was months before the show, I went on a hike. This is you started with a girl. And I, before the show, contact me. So it was like early, like pre-spring, like, like Perry Spring, right, right as it was getting a spring, weather was getting good, went on a hike. Went on a hike and over, yeah, probably about a year ago. Yeah, I could look at my phone with pictures. It was a beautiful day.

And I'd seen this person a few times. And on the last time I saw her as we were driving back from this hike, she was like, I should probably tell you something. I was like, yeah, you know, it was a great time. I tried to try to do something. And she said, I'm married. And I was like, I was like, and she was not from the U.S. I was like, wait, did you say you were married?

And she was like, no, no, no. I said, I'm married. And you could kind of probably imagine how the conversation went from there. Wow. So it's only up from there, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm starting to a very low place. I think from there I could just, everything is, yeah, better than that. Okay.

Well, I think we're going to move on now to some of our headlines. and we would love if you could join us for some of them because your friend Bennett who you hang out with a good amount of time and recently did from was it top of the rock that you guys did the flying scene from the edge the edge now oh okay sorry they rebranded okay so you did different site different place

different place oh okay yeah it's really cool you guys pretended to be Jack and Rose but it looks like Bennett wants Kelly to be his rose he kind of he kind of put his he threw a shot out there um on instagram this week saying that she caught his eye so you think that there could be some romance there if they both end up in paradise that's a great question first of all I want to give a shout out to Bennett because um before that we went to an AAPI rally and I told them hey I'll meet you there I'm going to this rally and it's like if you're going I'm going you're going you're going you

I want to support. So he came to an anti-Asian hatred rally with me beforehand. So obviously, I love the man for that. But to that point, you know, Kelly Flanagan catches a lot of people's eyes in fairness. So is he one of the pairs of eyes that she has caught? Yeah, I think so. I absolutely think so. Yeah, she's super intelligent.

She's super attractive. like I think a lot of people are shooting their shot. He's just very obvious about it. And he's a confident guy. He's very good looking and very successful. Why wouldn't he want to take that shot? I definitely think there, there might be something there on Paradise.

If they're both, but they both find themselves there. I would, chance of sparks is very high. Would there be some hostility between you and him for Kelly if you guys both ended there? Ended up there because it sounded like you just praised her.

I don't know Kelly and at all. I didn't see that season with Peter. I actually didn't meet Peter. Peter and I just play on a five football team now. I know Peter. I don't know Kelly. But if I, but if I, but if I go in paradise, two, if we meet three, if we, if we get along, then, yeah, there might be some, you know, there might be a little attention there, but we'll see. You know, a lot of, a lot of ifs there.

But, you know, we're two gentlemen. I feel like we can work it out amicably. Or we'll just have to do like a gun duel. One of the other. We'll see. Next headline, Joe, that we'd love for you to share your insight on, is Catherine Lowe recalls facing damaging racial slurs and powerful plea to end anti-Asian violence.

This is according to E-News. Joe, when you hear this and read this, did you experience anything like this? And the story goes on to say this, just so you have some background. A very young age, the bachelor's Catherine Lowe writes in an essay to E. My sisters and I were called Mongols because my Filipino mother had children with a Caucasian man. Joe, when you hear this headline, you read that quote. What do you think?

You know, obviously it's hurtful. And I think all of us, you know, who grew up honestly i think everyone who didn't grow up white in a predominantly white area and i assume she did um or non-asian area which is pretty much every area outside of like parts of california we all i think we all experience some level of um of of racism when we grow up and um it's hurtful and unfortunately like when we're young you know we don't we don't live our life back but it's like there's something that that when we're young, I just attribute a certain age, but when our hormones are like still

like kind of like forming and our brain is still like so undercooked, it's still so doughy that it's when it solidifies, even though we can rationalize, oh, these are just, you know, children, they didn't know any better. I bet now they do. Still, like once that hormone on that experience has solidified, that still, you still feel it. And I feel her pain. And again, I'm just happy that maybe it took this moment for her to talk about that. And maybe that's like some catharsis for her to say, hey, like, here's my story. And now people are willing to listen to it. In this moment, especially. And here we were talking about it again. And so I think it's great. And I applaud her for

courage and a brave reading to be able to talk about this painful memory. Nobody, obviously, it's not easy to talk about, especially in a public forum. And so I think a lot of people, you know, of every background who's not, who's any other of any form will relate and hopefully they'll know hey like and i was okay and it's still hurt that hurt doesn't go away but like you'll be all right too you know just like get through it and hope and again times are changing hopefully so um i just want yeah just thank her for for doing that the final headline that we really wanted to to read through with you and to hear if you could relate or if you felt this as well as sydney uh let's walko from colton season said she felt the

pressure of the entire Asian race filming the Bachelor. That's the headline according to us weekly. I didn't really think about it because I didn't watch the show. I had no idea of the paucity of Asians in on the franchise.

It's all that's there. And like the producers, some of the producers was very close with like to say, hey, just by the way, man. We haven't had people like you on before. Like your story is not the normal story and I think while I was there, I kind of started thinking about it more. And I said this on

Nick Biles podcast. And I'll say it again, there's just one handler there. I'm not saying your name's Tino. I love Tino. Tino, I love you, man. He was such a great guy. And we would talk late at night. And at times when I was like feeling down or like, I was like, man, like, what am I doing here. You guys know the long nights. I'll just give a reminder of this JZ quote from H. the Izo, which is, I do this for my culture. And a little bit, I was like, yo, you're representing yourself, first and foremost, also your family. And maybe to, like, so many people, especially, honestly, in Middle America, in the South, who maybe don't, I haven't seen an Asian man before, like, in life. And not even in, like, on TV and the movies, like, maybe you might be

one of the first people there getting to know a little bit. And so, yeah, he felt a little bit. And so I definitely empathize with her in that way. Well, before we let you go, you got to create a headline for us now. If you were to go to Paradise, who do you want to see there? That's so easy. Brendan. You took the easy way out. You took the easier out. though it's very sweet it was almost so sweet that i'm going to say just as good as if you gave us a girl's name well joe dr joe park thank you so much for joining us we're going to continue with bachelor headlines we're going to let you go so you can get some rest you can uh learn some spanish

play your guitar drink some more energy drinks stay awake for as long as possible um really appreciate you man uh been great getting to know you better and we hope to see back here soon so wonderful having you Ashley Ben, it's always great being on your podcast and thank you so much for inviting seriously. It was great to talk to you and thank you for your thoughtful questions and everything else.

You're the man. Hey, we'll talk to you soon, Joe. We're going to take a break here with the Almost Famous Podcast. When we come back, we're going to continue with Bachelor headlines. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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We're going to finish the podcast here with Bachelor headlines that are happening right now as we speak. We're going to start with this. Matt James has returned to Instagram. He wipes The Bachelor from his profile. This is according to Us Weekly. Yeah, super interesting. So we all know, or if you listen to this podcast, you know, that last week he deleted all the photos from his Instagram. anything that was promotional of The Bachelor.

Now, the only photo that refers to The Bachelor is his response to the Chris Harrison interview. He also has listed, he's not The Bachelor in his bio or anything like that. He has listed real estate as his profession, C-B-R-E as his place of work. He says that he's a believer and that life revolve. around his work at the ABC Food Tours. And yeah, so it seems like he's trying to put the Bachelor in his past literally and figuratively. He is back on Instagram, though.

Matt James can be seen back on Instagram. Well, next headline is this, Inside Clear Crawley's very romantic 40th birthday getaway with Dale Moss is according to E News. Yep. Last week we told you that the two of them were spotted giving each other mask. Kisses in New York City. Well, it looks that he followed her back to California for the last week of March for her 40th birthday. They went to Napa. They were by the pool together.

They had champagne. It was, according to a source, everything that Claire wanted for her birthday. Happy 40th to Claire Crawley. And it sounds like her and Dale are still hanging out. We'll call it that for now. in a recent interview, Sydney La Tocco, who we just spoke about with Dr. Joe Park a second ago with Us Weekly, she revealed a lot. It's a great interview. I recommend everybody going out and checking out. It's with their here for the right reasons podcast. But she also says this. Sydney the Taco recalls Bachelor Colton Underwood playing favorites. The most contestants quit, she says. This is according to Us Weekly.

Yeah. Basically, that's basically the headline is the article. She said that it was obvious that he was playing favorites and that it wasn't like, didn't make them feel good about themselves, seeing him look at other girls a certain way and then not give them attention. And that was kind of what put the nail in the coffin for her when she decided to leave on her own. Blake Hortzman reveals why he doesn't regret releasing Kalin Miller Key's text after Bachelor in Paradise drama.

This is according to Us Weekly as well. So if you guys remember during that season of Bachelor in Paradise, which was almost a year and a half ago, there was a lot of, he said, she said, and Blake put out some texts that happened between him and Kaelin during that infamous stagecoach weekend. And he said that he's never going to feel guilty for defending himself and for showing up to fight for himself. he said that he was told that he shouldn't put anything out about it. They really, as a show, they didn't want him

releasing anything that happened off the show. But he said, I can't. I have to defend myself. Well, in a recently released text thread that is getting a lot of conversation going right now,

Evan Bass jokes about Carly Waddell split and dating again during brief Instagram return this according to us weekly also this is all just very silly um Evan was in Mexico and he was there getting dental surgery and the night before he was just texting with Carly and they were kind of it seemed a little bit flirty like a little tongue in cheek about I believe if he died in surgery who should

she would marry next. So there's like some silliness there. And she was, there was like a little bit of playfulness because of his Italian heritage and like that she shouldn't ever marry another Italian again. The bottom line to me from this story

is that Carly and Evan are still talking and they are in a playful sense. So who knows what could come of this? that being said when asked on Instagram whether or not he and Carly could get back together again he quoted Humpty Dumpty which was if all the king's horses and all the king's men

dot dot dot we know the rest of the rhyme couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again so I think that's alluding to them not being able to figure it out who knows stay tuned it's wild well speaking of formal a bachelor couples. Bachelorette's Ashley Hebert

reunites with a strange husband J.P. Rosenbaum says their best friends forever after split. This is according to us weekly. Yeah. This is kind of surprising to me. It just seemed like they didn't end on like the most positive note, but over the weekend, she posted an Insta story of the two of them together

and she said, too cool for school, too cool for school, as she teased in a playful way again, her strange husband. And she captioned the Instagram story, best friends forever, which is great. I'm glad that they're on such good terms. Well, The Bachelorette's Jason Tardick reveals plans to start a family with Caitlin Bristow.

This is according to Hollywood life. Yeah, it's a juicy headline, but there's not much to go with it. But we can confirm that they're both wanting a family. And he said that in an ideal world, they would love to have twins. I think they just want to bang it out. but they said that he said I think we're in the perfect situation for kids twins would be nice but just a happy kid would be what we what we desire well in the final headline in also some more baby news inside pregnant Lauren

Burnham and Ari Lyondike Jr's Hawaii baby moon ahead of twins birth I know the two of them went on a baby moon this week all the photos are on Instagram cute content for sure. So follow that. They, I feel like Hawaii is a very special place for them. I think they baby moon their, they baby moon there last time?

I'm not sure, but that's where they got married. It's a special time. Well, this has been another almost famous podcast. An in-depth episode with Dr. Joe Park. I want to thank Dr.

Joe Park for coming on and give you so much time. Ashley, as always, you're the best. We're going back next week with another episode of Almost Famous podcast. Until then, I've been Ben.

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