The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous In Depth: Genevieve Parisi Part 2

Episode Date: December 1, 2022

Genevieve Parisi is back from Paradise and ready to share what REALLY happened.  We hear how things went down with Aaron, including her gut feelings about him from early on. And we get an update on how things are going since the break-up.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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talk about everything going on, all the confusion. There's so many storylines. There's so much happening. And we're here to get it from the source. Genevieve, welcome. Thank you. Hello, hello. We are so excited to have you. I'm excited to be here. In fact, we've pushed this back a week. I've changed travel schedules just to talk to you. Ashley knows this behind the scenes. I was like, I want to talk to Genevieve. I don't know how many more times in our life will run past each other. I enjoy you. I think you're awesome.

You remind me a lot of Ashley. But I do just want to start with a story, Ashley, if you don't mind. Of course. So we're in Las Vegas. Bachelor in Paradise has not aired yet. Just getting ready to, I think it's airing in the next week. So Genevieve is there with us, and I have already picked up on just how great of a character she's going to be.

Not because she's a, like, not because she's fake, just because, like, Genevieve and her real self is somebody that you're like, that's somebody I just want to watch. Like, I just want to see what their life looks like all the time because it's hilarious. And so she's sitting there and she's like, I'm so nervous for Paradise. I'm freaking out about Paradise and all this stuff. And I'm like, you're going to be fine. And I was like, do you want me to text Wells and see what he thinks? And so I texted Wells.

Wells responded with Genevieve is one of our favorite people on the beach this year. And she's going to get a lot of screen time. So that's why I shared with Genevieve. I said, hey, you're going to be great. Like, you know, I don't know what went down that you feel so nervous about, but it seems like you're going to shine. Well, let's fast forward to this point in time. She didn't believe me.

She thought I was crazy. Thought I was absolutely speaking out of a place of not knowing anything. And I kind of was. I was just guessing. But she's beloved. And she's one of the faces of paradise. In fact, this week, I saw a staff. from one of our favorite Instagram follows, Bachelor Data.

And Genevieve almost doubled everybody else in screen time this season. Whoa. Is that insane? I saw that. That's like crazy. I know. So Genevieve, after all the nerves, do you think all the nerves were worth it? No.

Okay, good. And why is that? I usually don't think like afterwards, I don't think the nurse are worth it, but never stops me from feeling that way. but no I'm very happy that's how it turned out okay that's awesome so I feel like you probably got a lot of DMs and tweets about how relatable you were yes I have gotten a lot and it's like people are just like you remind me of me like it's just you're so relatable because like all my emotions are just so raw and real and I think people can see that which is nice do you feel like um okay so

So when you're in the moment of an emotional reaction to something, typically, how are you feeling? Are you just like, this is what's in my head right now. This is how I think this situation can go. Is it a control thing? Like, do you want control of the situation? You feel like you're losing it? Like, when you're getting extra emotional, when you're reacting to something, what's going through your head? I'm, like, sad.

If I'm crying, I'm, like, really sad. If I'm mad, I won't be crying. and so in those moments I was just sad I like I just didn't know what to do and I felt like there's nothing else I could do and so yeah I just are you talking about in the moments that like I tried to leave yeah they try to leave some of the arguments obviously that ended up leading to you trying to leave and I think just frustration because I feel like obviously me and Aaron didn't communicate well And so I felt like whatever I was saying, it wasn't being received or heard. So that just added to, like, the emotions.

Okay. So big question off to start then, because we walked into it here. You fell in love with Aaron. Yeah. But you weren't communicating well. So one of the key pieces to falling in love with somebody is, like, having that rhythm and that they get you and they understand you and you get them and you understand them. but yet this is also one of the things that you said you didn't have is communication. So how do you fall in love with somebody you can't communicate with?

That's a good question. I see. I have. I think you can fall in love with the wrong. I think you can fall in love with the wrong person for sure. And I think that I just didn't fall in love with the right person for me. Well, do you think it was love or lust? Looking back.

That's looking back. I would say, I don't know. It's hard looking back to believe that I was in love, to be honest. I don't know. I don't know. Ashley, you just said you have. You fall in love with somebody. And I mean, I have as well.

I'm not saying it's like abnormal. I was mostly wanting to know as we process post-show, you know, how in the world do you look back and go, how did this happen? you know and then you meet somebody that you communicate well with and you're like how did that happen oh yeah you know years ago right so in your opinion actually how does it happen um i don't know but i know it's not long lasting and i know like it can't sustain i think i was falling in love before i started like i was falling in love before i kind of was realizing all the problems I guess so I feel like I was already falling in love and then all the problems started like I realized we weren't communicating well and then I was already there my feelings were already

there so I feel like that's what happened makes sense we've all been there I think most people have right yeah and in paradise I'm sure it can happen a lot easier too because you are on a beach to meet somebody and you might you know you see these relationships flourishing around you and you want to be possibly like them like you're like they have happiness now I have happiness and we can walk off in the sunset together on this beautiful experience so it can happen right right like and I just I went in with so much hope I just wanted to make it work I wanted to find my person and so yeah for sure I don't know where I was going with that do you have any regrets like any specific moments that you wish you could redo?

A lot. Going back to the very beginning, I don't think I handled everything with Justin, right, at all. I wish I could do that over. And with Aaron, I wish I left the second time. Like, looking back, I think that I needed to stay the first time to see more in like see it through, but then the second time, there was a gut feeling and I should have listened to it. Can you remind us what the second time was? Was that the pain versus, um, well, pain versus itching. Yeah, but it's an itch is a pain or an annoyance? What was it

between? Um, itching and pain. Itching and pain. Okay. Well, just letting you know that you are in a space in which all of us agree, it's an itch and it is not painful. Um, producer, Easton, said that it could be um it was like a low level it was just like a discomfort but that's not a pain yeah here is according to the scientific american journal once thought to be a low level form of pain itch is instead a distinct sensation with a dedicated neural circuit linking cells in periphery in the periphery of the body to the brain a study of mice suggests So, according to a recent article, itching is not pain. I'm sure you've heard that before.

I'm sure you heard all the opinions. I just want to make it clear here that this podcast, believe it is not pain. It's a sensation. Did Scientific American write that after the episode? No, no, no. This has been a conversation that's been going on for years now. This is a hot topic in the scientific community. Okay, but Genevieve, you think that you should have left then.

Why is that? I think the way that he spoke to me that was like that was yeah I didn't like that and I wasn't I shouldn't have stood foot I I should have left how would you explain the way he spoke to you condescending condescending and um just like angry like he would like he would yell at me like raise his voice multiple times um as he's telling me to not yell at him and I'm like I was usually pretty calm talking to him. So it was a conversation about pain versus itch. And just as silly as an argument as it sounds,

you were able to get enough like behavioral cues from it. Yes. Yeah. And I just, I remember being like, this isn't going to work. And then he promised to me it wouldn't happen again. And so I was like, hey, well, if it doesn't happen again, maybe this can work. And I wanted to give a shot.

so it's interesting on this podcast we talked about what like wildly simple arguments have kind of set us off in our relationship actually shared one and I was trying to think through one my wife is just not an arguer like she doesn't like it and so like I can't argue with somebody that doesn't want to argue with me because she just is like a peacekeeper um but you know for so many they watched uh that episode and they watched some of these arguments and even Wells said it on television. He's like, this is the dumbest argument I've ever heard on Paradise. And, you know, people kind of, like, laugh, maybe find some humor in it.

Maybe, like, go back home, like, can you believe that people were arguing about pain versus itch? But can you take a second and explain just how, yeah, how serious, maybe not the context of the argument, but the way the argument was handled, how serious? that felt to you during that time so that maybe the viewer can get an idea of hey, this was a real thing for Genevieve during it. Yeah. So everyone's not, well, it was just the audio

because the camera wasn't on us. We were getting miced. And I had told Aaron I felt impatient. And it was like a long day. We had been separated from the guys while Rachel and Gabby were there. And so I just wanted to spend time at him. So anyways, I said, I feel impatient.

And he said, well, you know, stress and impatience is the same thing. And I said, no, it's not. It's different. And then he said, no, it's like itching and pain in the same thing. And I said, no, it's not. And he said, and then that's when he, like, yelled at me. Like, it's the same thing. Look it up.

And I just, I was like, well, first of all, I can't look it up. I don't have a phone. but I had Todd look it up that's for sure and I was right um but I was just like I can't believe something this little I was just telling him I was holding him as I was telling him like saying I feel impatient I wasn't acting annoyed at him I was just bringing my feelings to him and that's what it turned to I like I actually couldn't believe it and then the way it ended he said note you're good have a good night and I'm that's just I don't like I'm putting myself back there and I'm getting like frustrated again but it's just

like I was trying to bring my feelings to you all I needed was like a hug I don't know I didn't need you to compare pain and itching and then like yell at me about it mansplain it you didn't anybody mansplain what you were feeling and thinking you just needed somebody to hear you and yeah and Aaron always thought he knew what was in my head every time I said you don't know what I'm thinking he said he would say yes i do know what you're thinking how would you know that so i was just like i won't let someone talk to me like this um over something so silly and i was just trying to bring my emotions to him and this is how it was handled so yeah it just it it is a silly fight pain and itching but it's how like how it happened and how it went i guess yeah like how it i don't know i don't know

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And when I tried to leave, in. in real life that would be me actually like leaving a relationship like I wouldn't continue with that person and I got convinced convinced to stay so I mean like it kind of is how I am in real life you're just saying you're not usually convinced to stay but if this is real life this would have been you leaving a relationship and not coming back to it and I think that's I mean I get what you're saying I understand where you're coming from but But again, we have to ask a question of what about those unique scenarios we're making you go, no, I need to leave. We obviously didn't get to see all this. I can't remember

if we got to see you saying, hey, I'm feeling stressed or I'm feeling impatient right now. I don't think we got to see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We saw that. We did. Yeah. Okay. That would bring a lot of context to where this argument spurred from. But were you really wanting to leave these relationships? Were you really wanting Aaron to come after you? I truly wanted to leave. In those moments, it was the way he spoke to me and how he was handling me bringing my emotions to him. The first time was when we were on the daybed,

and I said, like, I had been asking him all day to go in the pool, and then he looks at, he says, he's going to work out, and then later he looks at Johnny and says, Sifico's in pool. And so I was just like, I'm not going to lie and say nothing's wrong. So I was like, I have been trying to hang out to you, spend time with you. I wanted to tell him I was falling in love with him. So I felt I was falling in love with him before the first argument. And that's why I think it was so tough.

And so he just, he told me I was gaslighting him, which just, I mean, I've never even been told I was gaslighting anyone. And I still do not believe I was because I was talking pretty calmly. And he just, the way he walked away from it, and then I went to give him space. and I came back down to try and talk. And he said, oh, so it's on your time now? And then he was just talking, like, condescending. Like, I didn't like it. And so that was the first time.

And then the second was the itching and pain that we talked about. So I think it just really is rooted in how he spoke to me and how he dealt with me bringing my emotions to him in a calm manner. Well, I feel like we can really analyze this further. But we do need to move on. the breakup and then the present day. So your breakup was... Ashley, can I barge in here for a second?

I just want to know before and you get there, there was obviously times in between that we didn't get to see that brought you two together. I want to give the right time for how significant this relationship really was. You were falling in love with them. So what were we not seeing on television that was bringing you two together,

that we're making you two feel like, hey, this is something that I want to see through and I want to make work. Honestly, I think like in that situation, you're just, I mean, like, it's a different world. You're just on the beach with your friends and this one person that you're trying to get to know. And like, he was very affectionate. For me, at least he was very affectionate and that is my love language. And I really like that.

So I think, like, I don't know if that's bad. He was very affectionate. And I felt like that was like bringing us closer. we never really had serious conversations so I don't know looking back and thinking back I think I should have picked up on some flags

honestly for sure it sounds like a relationship that I can relate to I feel like when there's like an extreme attraction and then there is somebody meeting your love language which is physical you know touch

you can fall in love without really having the communication there. That's what, that's what, like, he was so affectionate. Like, he was always, like, hugging me, kissing me, and that's what I love. And so I, that's, I think, what made me fall in love with him. We didn't, like, it wasn't, like, we had serious talks. We never once talked about, like, life after, or anything like that. But it makes sense now. like it just yeah it didn't make sense then but it does now your actual breakup was truly bizarre because

he sits you down in what we saw in tv you don't have any you don't say anything and he says something along the lines of you look beautiful today i don't think this is going to work out between us um i wish you nothing but the best goodbye were you really silent i was i was silent. I was so blindsided. I'm rarely at a loss for words, rarely. And I was at a loss for words. Like, I didn't even know what to say. Um, because mainly because I tried to leave twice and he came after me. Yeah. And like, promised me it would change the night before he gave me a rose. He said, I see potential. I know I'm hard to deal with and I love you. Like, will you accept this rose? So the next day, I wasn't expecting him to break up.

up with me. So I was like, whoa, and I didn't know what to say. So I was silent. Until one of the girls convinced you to go back down there and face him and actually say it was on your mind. Yes. And then I marched back down there and he said, oh, so I should give you the time now. Yes, because we were in a relationship. And I think I have the right to like give my side Not my side of the story, but like, say how I feel because I was so blindsided when he had originally told me. And he just kept saying he's at peace with it. I don't, it wasn't a good, it wasn't a good end to a relationship, that's for sure. But I felt like he was trying to put all the blame on me and not take accountability for anything he did.

And just say it was because you left. It was because you left and I need something that's going to stick around. tell me if I'm wrong and I don't know Aaron at all never met the guy but that moment felt very calculated like it had been in the works that it hadn't it didn't have a great excuse because typically when you're in a relationship and you have an argument and you can talk it out and get back together you move on and you learn from hey I don't want you yelling at me anymore and that's now understood and so you're like okay next step right we're going to keep trying to make this thing work but then all of a sudden on the beach that evening things just ended out of nowhere

like it was pre-planned i absolutely think that he had to leave the beach single um and he had no plans of leaving in a relationship i's definitely not engaged well let's get into it i mean it had to have been. Yeah, it had to have been because if you look at the timeline, it doesn't make sense to get me, convince me to stay two times when you could have let me go days before. You could have not given me the rose. And then it just, it doesn't make sense. So why do you feel like he needed to leave the beach single? Well, obviously, there's all the rumors. I don't even know if I want to say rumor, because I think it's pretty transparent of it.

Yeah. Yeah. That Aaron had a girlfriend before leaving for Paradise and not only one, but two. And one of them wouldn't stay with him while he went on Paradise. And the other one in the messages was saying she's going to talk to him when he gets back about the situation. And so she was dating him and expecting him to come back to her. And that is why it makes so much sense, why he had to break up with me at the end.

So do you feel like he knew the entire time that he was going to date somebody there, stay in Paradise as long as he possibly could, and then break up with that person, aka you, in this case, at the very last minute? Yes. And I didn't understand. like after paradise i'm so happy this stuff came out because i have clarity now because i i didn't understand how that happened how he could just get me to say say he loves me in the next day do that it something was off and i found out what was off he like he had someone else so um i'm happy

i'm like kind of happy i found that out because it just it it it makes sense yeah it helps it make sense. Do you know, like, when we say relationship, because when I went on Winter Games, I was dating. Like, I was out and going on dates up until the show. I was single. So were these, like, dating relationships? Were these, like, acquaintances that maybe you've seen once or twice?

Or were these, like, committed, I'm in this thing. We've had the conversation relationships. Yeah, no. And, like, another thing, they were in, they were. vacationing summer like last year. So the girl that he's still with. So they have been like boyfriend, girlfriend. And I actually talked to the girl that isn't with him anymore. She's so sweet. And it's kind of crazy hearing her stories. Basically what was in the post by reality Steve was that both girls found out that he was telling them.

the same thing to both of them, that the other was a friend and not to worry about it. And they found out because they messaged each other on Instagram and they compared timelines and it all overlapped. So he was like somehow in a relationship with these two people up until Paradise. So one seemed to be a girlfriend that was like through and through from like September to Paradise. and then there was one that was a little bit more on again, off again. The one that was full on. She did say in the back and forth DMs that Reality Steve posted that she wasn't looking for something serious, which was interesting,

but so that's why she said it was okay for him to go to Paradise. Aaron was recently seen at this girl, his presumed girlfriend's birthday, with Jacob and Logan. Have you talked to either Jacob or Logan or heard from anybody who's been around this girl from the franchise? I have not. I haven't talked. The only person I have talked to is the other girl that is not with him anymore. and didn't reach out to Logan or Jacob because I didn't we weren't we weren't together after it more just was helping me gain clarity to what the fuck happened on this season to be honest so yeah I didn't reach out to Jacob or Logan I really don't like care to know about her yeah I know that when you when I saw you a couple months ago I think the show is just starting to air and I said have you talked to Aaron at least?

Because almost all of Bachelor in Paradise couples talk after the show just to like kind of get a better he said, she said version of their story because there's so many people in our ears. And when you said you hadn't heard from him at all since he left that beach, I was astonished. And now I'm sure that's another thing that you have so much more clarity on. Exactly. You said it perfectly. It makes so much sense looking back. That was so strange to me. Because we remember like friends before or friends. I don't know. It was so shocking to me that he didn't reach out once, not once. And again, now it makes sense. Like I just knew something was off. I knew there was a piece missing that I didn't know. And I found it out. When did you find out? when reality Steve messaged me saying hi just wondering if you knew that Aaron had a girlfriend like back home

and I said absolutely not and he said he's going to put out a post the next day so the next day I looked at the post and I was like that's when I found out Reality Steve was going to put out a post now unfortunately this came out after the reunion show was filmed So you weren't able to confront him on the show.

Yeah, that's, I wish I could have, so I wouldn't have to like, I would love to hear what he has to say about it, honestly. But I wish, I do wish that I could have confronted him and just asked and maybe just gotten a little more clarity for why, like, why he would do that to someone. You didn't have to tell me, like, he didn't have to tell me he loves me. Yeah. He didn't have to take it that way.

far. Right. Um, so yeah, it sucks. It came out like a few days after, but it's okay. Your Paradise Experience, Genevieve, um, has had twists and turns. Yes. And since from the very beginning to now and you're learning things after the show is over. Uh, we only have a few more minutes with you here. I know. Um, but I'd love to hear what life looks like now. It's been a few months now since you've been back from the beach obviously you're not feeling great so thank you for coming on even with a little flu um but how is life now how are you processing everything and how are you going to move forward so like the show just you know the show just finished airing is the first week that it's not airing since it started so honestly while it was airing I was just a nervous

like I just was always anxious and nervous so I like I didn't really do much like I got I moved in with Rachel um like we've been setting up our apartment and all that um but I don't really know I've just been trying to heal I guess from all of that and get back to like my normal life or at least try to you are living with Rachel uh the former bachelette or the current Bachelorette, um, you know, because her season is raining, reigning bachelor. I don't know what you'd say. Uh, where are you living? What city did you two choose? We're in West Hollywood. You're in West Hollywood together. How's that going so far? Are you guys getting along? It's amazing. Oh my gosh. I love her. Like, I love her. We get along so well.

Great. Um, yeah. She's awesome. Oh, well, I can't imagine the single adventures you two are having. It's probably, it's probably fun that you're the same. boat. Yeah, it is. It's nice that we are in the same boat. But it's funny. We really just like having wine on our couch. That's like our thing. We don't go out much, but it's nice to have her. It was nice to have her through all that. Thank you so much for, you know, opening your heart and being so vulnerable with us. We are going to do another episode with you. And it's going to be a little bit more fun and lighthearted. It's going to be about the holidays. So audience, if you just want some fun. Stay tuned for that. But until then, we'd like you to follow along with our sign

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I'm even more honest, more vulnerable, and more real than ever. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? Join me for conversations about healing and growth, all from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Listen to the new season of the Overcombered podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast,

or wherever you get your... podcast. This is an I-Heart podcast.