The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous In Depth: Hannah Ann Sluss

Episode Date: April 9, 2020

Hannah Ann answers lingering questions about her breakup with Peter. Does she think their engagement ended because of Madi or another girl?? How everything was kept a secret until the very end? When and how she discovered that Madi chose to leave and what she would have done if she knew prior to her proposal. Plus, her thoughts on Peter's DM's with Kelley Flannagan and Hannah B. in the midst of their relationship. And a giggly response when asked about dating. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm feeling good. We have a very awesome guest, a big one. Huge. Hannah is on the podcast. And from the two minutes that we got to briefly talk to her, I was like, oh, I kind of like this girl. You have great vibes, Hannah. Oh, well, good. Well, thank you guys for having me.

I was really excited to be here. It's great, Hannah. We were just talking before you came on about how, well, really the podcast world has taken over a lot of media in the last couple of years. Ashley and I are, I don't know how many, what is it going on like three and a half years of doing this thing. We've gotten to talk to a lot of the fan favorites coming off the show. It's always fun for us. And that's why these in-depth episodes were started to get to know the fan favorites a little bit better, to get to dive into who you are as a person.

and then also what the show meant to you holistically and how it affected you. But a little background here, Hannah is from, Hannah Ann is from Knoxville, Tennessee. She was on Peter Weber's season of The Bachelor. They were engaged at the end of the season after Madison walked away from the competition. It was revealed on the live after the final row show, they had ended their engagement. However, a little note here is to remember that Hannah Ann was always, Peter's mom's favorite. But before all of this craziness started, she was a former beauty pageant contestant and finished as first runner up in the 2015 Miss Tennessee Teen USA Competition,

and in 2018 Miss Tennessee USA competition. Hey, the final thing is we got to give a little shout out here to Chris Lane because we all know that we have a connection with Chris Lane somehow some way and you're in his I don't know about you music video. So Hannah Ann, once again, welcome to the almost famous in-depth podcast. True. Thank you so much for having me. That's so funny about Chris Lane. Now I'm just making that.

Isn't that funny? A lot of Bachelor connections with Chris. All right. So Hannah, tell us about just your childhood. How, you know, where were you born? How many siblings do you have? Your parents still together? Yeah.

So I grew up in Knoxville, Tennessee. I'm the oldest. My dad is a forester. my mom's a teacher. I have a younger brother, Wade, and a younger sister, Haley. So me and my brother were only 18 months apart. And then my sister, she's about five years younger than me. So I grew up like in Knoxville. Like it's definitely more like a smaller town. I grew up like more conservatively. My parents have been married for over 26 years. And so really like me even doing something like the show was like wild to them. Because in the South like you get married young and like it's very

through like the community I grew up and it was very cookie cutter you know like this is kind of what you do and there's nothing wrong with that it's just I've always kind of been like a wild card in the sense of just wanting to like always do something different um and so really like growing up it was just like whenever I was able to travel it was just like to the beach like once a year so that's really how I got into modeling is because I wanted to travel and like see the world and like see like different ways that to live in different views of life and just everything, because I kind of grew up like a little bit in a bubble. So that's kind of like my upbringing, which is completely different than the path I've chosen. You know, I can relate in a lot of ways, though. And I think that's the one thing that, you know, Hannah, and your family stood out to me. And I, and I watch most of the episodes every season. It's part of, it helps me with this and then it helps us dissect. But I sometimes skip around on the first episode. Ashley knows this. I just don't love the first episode of any season because I just feel like it's long. But your family stood out to me. One is because it felt like

a family that I, you know, would understand, a more conservative family, one that has a really beautiful life, you know, have done the right, tried to make decisions to stay on a very clear path coming from Indiana. That is not something that is not unknown to me. It's how I grew up. But I also know then the effects of all of a sudden calling or just really not even your family because they might understand but going on a show shaking life up to the degree that you did and having to respond to that to your not only to your family but your hometown Hannah I want to start this podcast with this question because it's one that I have felt deeply how was your worldview or and and to explain that how did how did going on to the show how you viewed the world and then after

doing the show and after moving to LA and all these things, how has your view of the world changed after being in that conservative environment for so long? Yeah, it's like growing up in a conservative environment, you know, I was around a lot of people who viewed and lived life all the same way. And so I was able to see peaks of it when I was traveling with work and I lived in like, and I lived in different places before. But really through the show, it gave me the opportunity to really understand the importance of getting to know someone and not just judging them right off the bat because when you get to know someone and their background you're able to see this is why they respond this way and so i think my appreciation just for people and just like take

even if i'm not like someone's biggest fan just appreciating them like their qualities i that's like where my view of the world and people have changed is just taking the time to get to know someone because then you'll have a better understanding especially their back When you really get to know someone and like the maybe the trials that they've been through, you're able to have a better person on who they are and ultimately appreciate them more. So, I mean, and I think a lot of your story, Hannah, is one that we didn't get to see a lot of. Ashley and I just, and I don't know if you listen to the podcast or not, but we were critical at times of this season because we felt like there was some great contestants at the beginning,

but very little character development. We didn't feel like we got to know you ladies as well as what we have on previous seasons. One of the things that became a theme later on in this season was the topic of faith. And I believe I remember your family speaking to that during the very first episode is kind of your faith and how important it was to you. Am I wrong? Is that true? Right. Yes, that's true.

And this isn't really even a question that I had to. even prepped ass but it makes me i'm intrigued now after hearing your upbringing hearing uh kind of how much it shook life up but hearing the lessons you learned as you watch kind of madison's story playing out during the show and then also after watching it back do you ever wish you would have really that your story of faith would have been told more uh were you kind of on her team how did you analyze that situation you guys might have different you know beliefs when it comes to physical intimacy and those things i'm not that's not and, you know, what I'm asking, I'm saying just when it comes to how outspoken she was about

her faith and how outspoken to the beginning you were about yours, how, what was that environment like when you're in the show and then watching it back? Right. I think watching back the show, you only see like blipits of me. And I think that was probably the most frustrating part is that there wasn't a lot of getting to know me and more of like my character and my intent of why I was there. And so I did speak with Peter. I remember in Cleveland. It was our conversations. It was right after the football game. So it was supposed to be like the VIP party. And it was like when we were still getting to know each other and we had a very serious conversation. We're like, hey, this is my faith. This is how I live my life. Like let's see

if our lives match up. And I was very upfront with him about that. And we felt like we had that emotional, spiritual connection. And we were going to see how that grew. So I was, you know, I would have love for my faith, which is a huge part of me to be shown more on the show. But that was really how me and Madison, like that was where our friendship was, you know, founded on just because we both had faith and, or we both shared us. We, we both shared similar lifestyle. You know, we're both Christians. We definitely both live our lives a little differently, but that was where we bonded. And so it was kind of untraditional to be in this scenario on a TV show where you're dating someone that's dating multiple people um and i definitely struggled with that but i also

knew you know i always kind of went back to what my parents always taught me and like love is about acceptance and forgiveness and being unconditional and that's kind of always where that that's what kept me in it with peter is you know what how i leave love which is being unconditional awesome well thanks to sharing that going off of what ben asked you i feel like here in the 12 minutes that we've been recording. And in the final couple episodes, we finally got to see you. We're like, oh, this is Hannah. I like her, but I haven't got, I didn't know her for the past 11 weeks. This is frustrating. Do you think that possibly your storyline went to that way because they wanted us to feel more of an attachment to Madison and then be more surprised

when Peter ends up proposing to you? That is a really good theory. I mean, when I was watching, you know, the first couple episodes, I'm like, oh, my gosh. I'm like, oh, you know, it definitely was disheartening because I knew every, I knew I was going to, you know, be given like the wrong impression of me. But I knew how the season would end and that was when I was with Peter. So I knew how the season would end. And unfortunately, even how it ended, you guys weren't able to see a lot of our very serious conversations. Peter had. So it kind of seemed like our proposal came out of the blue. Like, great. Like,

that came out of nowhere. So the first episode aired, when the first episode aired and you got to see what you came across like then, you were, you were still engaged to Peter. Yes, I was. Okay. So about what week into this us watching, did you and Peter have that conversation that we saw aired at the end? It was right after Cleveland. So that would have been Coastura. So that is interesting. That almost disqualifies my theory. Well, you know, it's interesting too, Ashley. And as I hear from Hannah Ann here, and Hannah, please, Ashley and I are fully able to be criticized and critiqued here. So you can tell us you guys are off wildly. But one of the things that, one of the biggest injustices, I think, to Peter, which he's dealing with now, and also

probably to you, Hannah-Anne, is that when he did propose to you, it was a shock, at least to me personally. I can't speak for all the fans, but it was like, whoa, that was shock. And it almost felt like, well, Madison left, so I'm just going to pick Hannah-Anne. And I mean, and I say that, like, I know this is, like, I've been on this thing. Like, I know that there's real feelings, real emotions. Like, I know there's a depth of this stuff. Like, I, Hannah, I'm not trying to discredit your relationship with Peter.

Oh, not about. But I do think it was, it has been an injustice to him and it probably to you because all of us just assumed like, well, he just did what he had to do because it was the only one left. When you're saying, no, this like wasn't a shock to you. Like, you knew you had something special. Like, there was a, there is a realness your relationship. Do you just mind leaning into that a little bit and explaining to the listeners and to Ashley and I? so we maybe get a better perspective of how real your relationship was with Peter

Oh yeah I mean I wouldn't have been there Or would I wouldn't have shown up if we didn't If I didn't see a future with him I think You know I would have loved to For you know viewers to have seen you know His bond with my family more

And my bond with his family Because obviously you know That was very strong because everyone was able to see You know barb support towards me Which also viewers are probably like where is that coming from but we all just you know our families and us too at that time felt like we were the perfect fit for for one another we really just you know for us we just accepted one another and you know kind of my perspective on the whole bachelor you know being with him was

after the after the season after the season ended this is where we truly begin and whatever happened on the show is in the past. And really just keeping the big picture in mind and focusing on our goals for one another and our goals as a couple. I'm really building that. And we had a lot of those very serious conversations leading up to our engagement. So obviously watching the season, I'm able to have a clearer perspective of why things ended. But also there was a lot of our moments missing that would have maybe opened people's eyes to how strong our connection was during the show and and even after because we had happy couples as well so how many happy couple weekends as you have we had the show made it seem like that was your first no no um about three

yeah so why those healthy for you yeah like were they good the happy couple yeah yeah every um happy couple was happy until the last one then it became unhappy so so what was it that happened before that happy couple weekend because the it was very strange it was like all the sudden you guys had some conversation and i that's why i think the audience assumed that was the first happy couple weekend you had in the first time you were seeing peterson's finding out that madison had left the show but that you knew that Madison left right after you got engaged? I found out after we got engaged.

And how did you take that information? Did you feel at all like you could have been second place in that situation? I knew deep down, I knew I was in some trouble because it was going to be difficult to overcome that, you know? As, you know, we're kind of starting off, you know, we have the pressure of all the viewers judging us as a couple. and then this situation. But we were committed to working it through. And, you know, I had said yes and made that commitment. And we, you know, I was excited and hopeful and in love.

And, you know, I'm not a dummy, you know, if I'm not going to be with someone who doesn't want to be with me. So he was giving me the words of affirmation that I needed to make me feel chosen and first and that we were going to make this work. Plus, we have both of our family support as well. So I'm like, okay, you know, I'm not, I'm not just going to say yes and then say peace out. You know, I just found out about Madison leaving. That's what that was, that wasn't what I was going to do, you know.

So then what was that fight about going into that happy couple weekend? So what had happened between like, you know, our engagement, our last happy couple, we had not seen each other for a month, and in between that month, the season started. And so that was where things started to surface. And honestly, you know, Peter's not a mean person. I think he was honestly just trying to, it was new to him. And he was trying to figure out exactly what was going on within his own self and had trouble communicating with that.

He had trouble communicating with that with me. and I think that's what kind of as I think that's what kind of made the situation worse is that he had trouble you know completely being truthful but I think it went back to he just wasn't quite sure what was going on within his own self that's an interesting thing to sit on though for a second I mean it we've actually not explained it often is this world gets like a it's a whirlwind oftentimes it feels like you're turning in circles trying to figure out what's happening while at the same time you believe or you think you have these certain emotions and love for another human, which you probably and usually do, but it's hard to navigate in the midst of the chaos that is

just a whole new world. As you said, I mean, at the very beginning, we opened this up. You said, hey, I came from like a conservative town where people get married early on in life and like it's a pretty clear approach and people move forward and the only way they know how, which is typically how their parents have done it. And again, I say that with the same. like with the ability to relate like I understand what you're saying there so you then say for example like a you or a Peter or Madison or whoever else goes in the show gets thrown onto this show and it's a new environment for everybody especially those of us who have very rarely had our worlds like shaken and rocked and it's hard to navigate like it's chaos and it feels like chaos

one of the things I just want to get clarity here is one of the topics that was written into us wanting to get a little more information on or how you felt about it. And if you don't, if at any point here, you're like, hey, I just, this hurts too much. I don't want to talk about it. That's fine. Just say it. But during the proposal, Peter brought up Madison's name during it and had kind of like hinted at, hey, she's gone.

Did you know then? Was it just like you were confused, knowing like what he was now watching back, knowing what he was trying to say and communicate to you? Does that feel weird? Like, it was super critical or criticized. I want to hear from you on, like, on what you think. Yeah. In that moment that wasn't very clear to me, you know.

So leading up to that day, you know, I did not know she had left. You know, we had our, like, last chance date where we were able to sit down and, like, talk. and, you know, the only thing I heard was my heart's being torn in two different directions. I didn't know that meant my other half of my hearts in Auburn, Alabama. And I've watched The Bachelor before. Like, that's very, you know, that's a common thing to say is my heart's been torn in two different directions. And so leading up to the proposal day, you know, you're in the moment and, you know, I'm, you know, I'm shaking. I just got done with my proposal speech, and that wasn't, that was very much putting me on the spot to where we weren't able to, like, sit down and have a conversation like this. Hey, kind of like, how's your week really going? Like, what have you really gone through? Like, let's have this conversation. And it's like what I told him at After the Final Rose, my instincts would have picked up on that you weren't ready, you know? And so for me, I think one of the most painful parts was seeing, you know, that last episode and seeing how torn and upset he was.

when I'm walking and then you and then it flips to me walking down to you know getting engaged and I'm like so naive and thinking not even understanding what all had happened and I think that's the most hurtful part is that he wasn't you know didn't have like enough like respect for me to sit me down and just to really like lay it all out there and just just work through it you know but you know he got lost in in the moment and with his emotions if he had pulled you aside that then and said, hey, Hannah-Anne, I just think I should tell you this before we get engaged. Madison left. Would that have changed anything? Yeah, it would have changed a lot because it wouldn't have just been an answer yes or no. It would have been like, let's sit down, like, let's recap like how you felt leading up to her leaving, how, you know, how you feel now. And he, you know, I think day down he knows that there would have been some like difficult, you know, questions. and, you know, for, for whatever reason, he just wasn't ready to let me go. The crazy thing is he knew that there were going to be difficult questions before

proposed, like, if he were to tell you that beforehand, it would have been difficult and you would have, like, pressured him into talking about a lot, right? But the weird thing is Peter wasn't thinking, like, oh, if I save this information for later, it's the question's going to be even more difficult, and it's going to be even harder to prove. Yes, exactly. It's going to even. be harder and stickier and it's one thing i mean it was always watered down it was always like he speaks and half truths or with us he spoke in half truths and it was always like the watered down sugar-coded version that he wanted me to hear because he knew that i was with him at this point

you know um and so it was really painful having to like watch it all and like see it for what it actually was and not from what he was telling me it it's one of peter and and just from like my perspective. It's been years since I've done this. So, I mean, I could be out of date. I don't know how you guys do it these days. But it is like, I know Peter. We're going to speak with Peter about his experience as well. But it is one of the things that I will tell him is not, like I know him. He is not a bad man. Like he has, he has, he has no ill intentions. I think his biggest mistake is he was trying to protect himself, his family, you and the girls and he was speaking like you said not lies but half truths he was leaving a lot out there unknown you just can't do that when your life is also being videotaped like you can't when everybody else is going to watch it back and the full truth is going to be brought it makes you look like you're trying to lie even though you're not and that I think was one of the things that got him and has gotten him in the most trouble, it's like, hey, if you just start

telling the truth, people will listen because you're not a bad person. You just are not explaining the full story, like bad communication. Yes, yes. And I think maybe that's a quality he has, but in this situation of being the bachelor, it just brought it out even more and it brought it to the surface. And, you know, I, when we were together, I always tried to, I always tried to, even throughout the show and afterwards, I always tried to put myself in his shoes and, you know, place him first in that sense. And I think that's what kept us going as a couple longer than what we should have is because I always tried to, like, show, you know, that compassion of, you know, your situation was so difficult. You're coming off the show. You're still

working through your emotions. And I think he was doing that as well. You know, he couldn't quite put a finger on why exactly he was feeling or why his feelings and his feelings and his, and words were like out of control because um you know just pointing the fingers towards different things um and i never really truly got like that like answer i had to like find out watching the show after the final rose when i found out him and madison were back together and i'm like oh okay well we'll we'll go back to that but i do want to let you know that i think the level of compassion you had for him was very evident during your breakup scene yeah i was like boy his tears that wasn't shown but I was like the white tears it was so sad you guys it was so evident how much

you were fighting for that relationship and how you were just like forgiving and forgiving him i want to ask you one more question about your proposal you did seem a little bit shocked that it was you like i don't know i don't remember the last time that i saw somebody on the bachelor be like wait it's me you're picking me so you did you think he was going to pick madison honestly like okay I promise it's sweet and cute and sort of like relatable and it makes me feel like you're very um you're just like not full of yourself you're like oh like I really didn't I don't know like okay well I've you know like seeing people getting like engaged on The Bachelor of the past I told myself I was like I'm if I get engaged I'm not going to laugh because we're

It just seems like you're making a joke out of it. And so in the moment, I was so nervous. I was just like, oh, gosh, it's me. It's me. I was just like, I was so silly. No, like my sister watched that. My sister was like, what the heck? Like, that was the weirdest reaction ever.

And I'm like, honestly, when you have all these cameras around you and you're stressed and you're just like, you're finally finished with like the season. And you finally hear from the person you're completely in love with that they love you. like that's something to like be jumping up and down for so excited i guess i was surprised but after i was with his family i felt so strongly it was going to be us it's uh it is true actually you say that and i remember going back and watching that and all of us kind of going like especially how the proposal was set up we're like this is shocking and it felt i think our last like episode that we talked about. We're like, that felt almost like oddly not like a proposal. And we know it was

Hannah Ann, we're going to hear why that was such a real proposal. We want to hear from you on in your eyes, in your opinion, what went wrong. And then also, how are you recovering today here in a little bit? But before we do, let's take a break. And we'll come back with Hannah Ann and on the almost famous in-depth podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

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But we sit here and we're talking to you. and we're hearing your upbringing, we're hearing about your family, and we're hearing about your emotions, and we're hearing how much sympathy and empathy you have for Peter. Ashley and I sit there as the host now. We've been removed from the show for a while, but we don't forget how it feels. And I just, like, it just hit me as I was listening to you

and being like, Hannah Ann, this is your life. Like, what you're speaking to us about right now is not just a show, not just a show you participated in, not just an experience that we can share and talk about with our kids, in 40 years like you were engaged you were heartbroken like you went through the ups and downs of this whole experience we're not that far removed from it like as you just sit to us not in like answering questions about the show we'll get back to that in a second but just like in general

that this is now your life and this is like how interested we are in just hearing your story how does it feel like how are you processing that right now yeah i you know i've worked through a lot of like different emotions i think now i'm kind of like feeling a little bit more back on my feet and i you know it's like the other day i was walking with my friends and i was on a walk and i just felt so much happiness and i was looking at my friends i'm like you know we have fresh air i'm with i'm with you know my friends and and I thought wow I haven't cried in weeks like that was just strange to me like I had not cried in weeks and that and it made me sad not over Peter but it you know I started crying in that moment because I was thinking about how broken I was and how terrible

of a position I felt I was in you know being with Peter and just leading up to the breakup up. I mean, I would cry for like hours. Like one time I cried for six hours straight just because of just the anticipation of crying about what's happened and crying about like this is a part of my story. Like this is a part of my life. And just knowing that that would always like be a part of me like really broke me and knowing that there would be like the whole world having to know about it and have their opinion on it and feel like that they know the situation. And then you have the season going on and you're seeing just bits and pieces of it and you're just like oh my gosh like everyone just you know will kind of feel like they're a part of it when they really truly aren't you

don't only me and peter truly um and i think it was also really hard i didn't realize the impact it would have on my family because um it made a huge impact like my family my personal life has been part has been with my family now you know they're able to see it you you know, Peter brought, you know, my dad into it asking, you know, for my hand in marriage. And it, you know, my family was heartbroken as well. Like, this is real life. And a lot of people got entertainment out of it. And, you know, I guess, you know, obviously that's what I signed up for.

But it's my heart and my life and what I'm carrying forward. When you're, when Peter, when your dad told Peter not to say I love you unless he really really meant it and the way that your dad said it made me feel like don't say it unless like you know it's her that you're going to pick her and at that moment Jared was like he better pick her like I am rooting for Hannah and all the way now because like this man better keep his word to this father and well he did he proposed to you but then he went and kind of wasted that first engagement moment which was something that like a lot I think the females in the audience were just like oh, I took that away from her.

The first in what somebody hopes is your only proposal. How does your dad feel about him now? And how are you feeling better these days about all that? Yeah. You know, when my dad was talking with Peter, like, don't waste a word. The backstory behind that is my dad was telling Peter about kind of my upbringing and, like, you know, the family I was raised in and how marriage. engagement and words are just really are so important and so don't ever you know and that's kind of

where it came in with Fantasy Sweet Week like I've always had this you know this side of not pressuring anyone to do or say anything and that's kind of where my dad was like you know don't say anything because you're feeling pressured because of the show or because you're in the moment if you're going to say something mean it and follow through with it and you know Peter saying, I love you. Peter, you know, getting engaged to me. Even afterwards, you know, he had conversations with my parents about, you know, making sure to make me feel loved and chosen in first place every single day. And, you know, he gave me those words of affirmation that kept me hopeful and kept me with him. And so it was a huge disappointment for my parents. I mean,

they were heartbroken as well. I think the main thing my dad says is he was like, I tried to protect to you. Like I tried, you know, I did everything that I could, but also, you know, I put my trust in Peter, who I really didn't know quite well, but I put my trust in him and, you know, this has happened. And I think my dad was, you know, so heartbroken because he felt like he didn't maybe necessarily do his part in like protecting me. I, uh, the one thing I can relate here on is that season of in between. Um, you know, you, and I share some similar stories in a way, right? There was, there wasn't another person in my story, but there was a broken engagement. There was a broken relationship that was publicly displayed.

There was family pain involved. I have now been able to heal, right? I want to promise you that if any pains and brokenness inside of you right now, like, it's going to heal. You're going to be very happy one day. You know, I'm now engaged and just thriving, I guess. But in the heat of it, And in the heart of that season, it's hard. It's confusing. It's heavy. And so there's a lot there to unpack Hannah in it, because there's, in my eyes, in my, like, just thinking back, there's three elements. One is knowing that it's about to end, like getting the sense that something is desperately wrong.

I remember that. Two is the ending, like the Band-Aid being ripped off, knowing that it's over. three, at least in this show, and this experience is the public getting brought into this breakup and their opinions. They're disliked towards maybe Peter, their criticism of possibly you, their criticism of Peter's family, of then the celebration of you, the celebration of Peter's family, like all those elements are tied up into this. It makes it extremely hard and difficult and heavy for a season.

And so if we could start at point number one, when did you start to know that things were falling apart? Falling apart. It was about two weeks before we broke up. I just had a sense that it was just going to be extremely difficult to work through this. And he was giving me, you know, and the thing is, the most important thing I learned is that like when I'm with someone, I need to allow them to show. me who they are, not tell me, because, you know, with me, mine and Peter's timeline, he was just able to tell me who he is and not show me because we didn't have that much time.

And then when we were separated, you know, he was living in California. I was still in Tennessee. So he wasn't able to, like, truly show me that only through his words. And he's very good with his words. And I love, like, I'm a words of affirmation kind of a person. So he was just able to send me his words to keep me. me and this and I think that's probably what like did us the most damage because I feel like if we were living close or we're able to see each other more maybe I would have or we both would

have been able to pick up on each to I think we both would have been able to pick up on that we weren't good for one another but he just you know continued giving me words of affirmation like he said he would I did the same and so when we were able to like truly have these serious conversations about the season it was just so like all over the place and so confusing and like he kept giving me the words of affirmation to keep me there but at the same time i'm like who do i go to like i need advice like i need to talk to someone who's been in this situation and i couldn't like i was on my own um i didn't tell anyone because i didn't want to bring anyone into this mess and then also have the contract of abc i can't open up to anyone i was just like

inside just like begging just for someone that I can go to and just like what do I do am I do you know and I always kind of put it back on me like it might not be supportive enough I might not be an understanding um and it was just a mess for both of us because he had some people to reach out to but he was lost still it's uh it's interesting you were like isolated before isolation was something we all had to do like you were completely isolated. Yeah, I couldn't share my emotions I felt like with anyone because, and that's why the season went unspoiled for the longest time is because most of the time it gets like, you know, it gets broken out through like whoever, you know, ends up with The Bachelor, Bachelorette, but

I, like, I made that commitment not to say anything, so. Wow, that's pretty cool. Well, I didn't want everyone to be like, well, you ruined the season because you, you told your friend, your friend, you know, had a fun night at a bar and told someone. Like, I never wanted that on me. Like, I never wanted more criticism, you know. It's cool and hard, though. Like, right, Ash? I know.

I was going to say that. That's like the weirdest word that came to my head. It's all right. It was cool for us to watch an unspoiled season. And it was cool for us for you to abide by your contract so well. But also, like, it's, I feel so sad for you. you having to keep that in um were you at least sharing it with your family no really no because i you know when i called them after me and peter broke up they were like what like they could send

something was off about me but they were very taken back when peter's parents were taken back um peter opened up to his parents about his emotions i didn't because i knew my parents would have me to just just walk away from it completely um and also i think it was like a lot of pride and you know i made this commitment to him and you know i was excited i told my grandparents and told my parents and i i i didn't want like in my mind it was always going to be like a one and done like i had that concrete in my mind like nothing was ever going to change that you know i said yes and we are together and we're going to make it work um and I took like a lot of like I was proud of us and I was proud of you know us as a couple and I couldn't I wasn't ever going to let any challenge or bump in the road take away from that I thought we were supposed to be partners and you know challenge one another and take on life's greatest you know our biggest trials um so I was just kind of seeing this as a bump in the road but really in reality we just were not compatible your vulnerability there like I appreciate it because I get it.

it and I think take away the show from this like a lot of people feel that way when it comes to breakups is like they have pride they've told their friends they've told their family they are excited they know it's not for the best you know you add in the public element to this and I can relate with you is the embarrassment and the the fear in a sense that you feel when you know it's ending of what like how am I supposed to explain this like how especially coming from you know I am a believer in Jesus. Jesus. People that listen to the podcast do not. That's not a surprise to them. And it's not even that that adds a burden to it. It's the public perception of the conservative church, like the one that like breaking up an engagement is such a huge deal. And you and I both have felt that. And I'm sorry that you've had to feel that because it's hard and it's heavy. It's worked out for the best for me. I believe it will do the same for you. I just want to say thank you for sharing that because I remember that time. And it's, and it's hard. It's heavy. It's worked out for the best for me. I believe it will do the same for you. I just want to say thank you for sharing that. Because I remember that time. And it. And it. And I remember that time. And It was, I mean, Ashley and I started the podcast like the week afterwards, and I know Ashley

could remember how heavy that felt on me during that time. So, Ashley, go ahead. Sorry. Do you guys think that you broke up because you were incompatible? You keep saying you were incompatible. How do you think you're incompatible? And do you think it was more that than it was his mind on someone else? I think we're incompatible because we don't see love the same way.

we didn't see an engagement the same way. That's where I think we're incompatible. Also, because I'm not, I don't speak in half-truths. He was speaking in half-truths and never truly told me. You know, it's like Jason and Ari, like, when they ended, you know, with the person that they chosen, you know, they both were like, I'm going back to this person. They like, they gave them that respect to tell them to their face. I was never given that.

That's why I think we're not compatible. because we just we communicate our emotions differently now so watching that back and you comparing it to ari and jason i'm thinking he didn't say i'm going to go after this person because i don't even think he was sure if he was going to go back after mattie and now that we see all the kelly stuff coming out was he was he not trying to go after mattie and thinking about somebody else Thinking about Kelly? Yeah. Yeah, you are absolutely right. It's a different situation because it keeps getting messier. But I kind of go back to my part with him is done. And whatever he does moving forward is his own business. I'm sure we'll continue to see headlines made about him. Did he ever, did he ever? Yeah. Is that hard? no it's not and i'm being completely honest because i've been through harder and it's kind of what

ben was saying the fear of us ending our engagement was the hardest part you know i've gone through like the terrible like where you just feel like you've hit rock bottom and and so whatever he does now it doesn't doesn't hurt because i'm just so thankful i'm not living that with him living that confusion all over the place don't really know kind of where your head and heart's at like i'm just so thankful that my part of it is done um you know i'm creating a happy stable life for myself now you know do you think did he ever say madison's name in your breakup or the weeks leading up to your breakup yes yeah and it seemed as if his intention was to get back with her all la are Jason? Not exactly. Not exactly. Didn't seem like that. I know, you know, him and Kelly had

messaged each other back and forth on Instagram and stuff. I just always was taking, I don't know. I don't think he had like ill intent. I think he was just very, very confused with his emotions, whether that was with Kelly or Madison. Wherever that was, I don't think he truly even knew where his heart was at. Do you think that watching the show back made him think about Kelly again?

Because truly at the end of their relationship on the show, it seemed like they were completely incompatible and that was not somebody who I thought he'd revisit. Yeah. I mean, watching back the story, season probably he was reliving feelings for you know kelly and madison and who and and whoever else um his his point of view was it's always hard to see an ex on tv it's just it's uncomfortable and hard so i would try to be like okay we're in a very different circumstance um i guess i'll be

understanding of that but also um i kind of had to accept that like i deserve to be with someone who is unwavering on how they feel towards me or like they know exactly what they want they know exactly where where their heart's at and nothing's going to change that so you say that he was messaging Kelly and then you also made this you dropped a bomb on us when you said that he also had gone to Hannah B for some sort of closure how did he go go about that if you're willing to tell us Oh, yeah. With him and Kelly, I think they were, I know that he told me that they had communicated through Instagram. I don't know where that exactly began. I was just kind of like, oh, okay. You know, when I'm with someone, I trust them. And he's a, you know, a good guy. I don't think I, I don't know when like more of their communication started. It probably started after, you know, after he was single again or once he was single again. And then with Hannah Brown, he came to me saying that he needed closure with her. And I was just like, oh, crap.

Like, how am I supposed to feel about this? You know, I thought, you know, when you're with someone, anything that's gone on in the past has, like, you've had closure. And all I've ever wanted is to be with someone and they're so happy to be with me, it makes sense why it never worked out with anyone else. totally that's beautiful i mean that's what we all hope right and and i remember it's why you know we didn't watch back my season during that time because it was going to be too hard it was too weird i mean it's just weird like you don't that's not natural at any level there's nothing

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anything the world really ever feels and sees. Like typically breakups are just super ugly because both sides get defensive and contentious, and you didn't. I just want to, be it. I just want to, Before I get then the point three is I just want to know is from my side. And again, this is me giving you commentary on your relationship, which is just so weird and so wrong. But is any of that because, you know, this was after the show had started airing, you knew how much criticism Peter was already getting.

You already knew how, like, chaotic his mind was and how confused he was. And you were just like thinking, hey, I love you still. I want what's best for you, but I know you just got to go figure some stuff out. or why were you so caring to him in that moment? I was so, I mean, oh, well, thank you. Because I loved him. You know, I was in love with him.

And all I ever asked in return was the truth. And I was in a sense relieved because, you know, we were together. We were engaged for two months. And it was just the last month was just hell. I mean, it was just trying to figure out. you know like when you're with someone you know something's up something's but you can't quite put a finger on it and we're still getting to know each other because we just got off the show we're living apart um his words aren't necessarily lining up with the vibe i'm getting and so when he finally told me

you know the truth that he can't give me his full heart i was just had a sense of relief and just knew in my heart that he didn't mean it in a unkind way he was just very lost and confused and I felt relieved in a sense that I can just kind of just

pick up all the broken pieces and you know slowly move on were you expecting production at that scene I looked like crap no you didn't you're beautiful always no okay okay if you guys ever watch it back

you'll see that I had a pop blood vessels because I had a pop blood vessel on my eye because I was crying so much leading up to that my hair was all greasy I had bags underneath my eyes I looked like I had the breakup look going on um we knew um that they were going to be filming um but before we got there you know we had a phone call that I think like his last text to me even was like that that we got this that this is going to be a difficult conversation but we got this that we were committed to each other. And I don't even think walking into, you know, the house that day, Peter maybe even knew we were going to break up.

I think it just kind of surfaced naturally. And when you're kind of pressured into having a conversation and, you know, when he said he couldn't give me his full heart, that's when it's just like, you know, there's no turning back, you know, you don't repair that. Yeah. Especially once you're engaged. Like, that's a pretty heavy comment to make. Like, I think about my life with Jessica now, and if I looked at her and said, I'm not going to be able to give you my full heart, like, that would be really confusing for our relationship in every way.

Like, that would discount what we were committing to and planning on, which is a life together. So I can imagine that was heavy. And it makes sense that things ended during that time, but they did. I mean, that's the note we take from this is they ended. And before I leave it to Ashley to kind of talk about life now with you, I want to just get a note on this is the third piece of what I said was life afterwards. And I remember going around and telling my friends, the hardest part about a breakup publicly is that everybody picks a team. They're their team you, their team, the other person, or they're just not supportive at all. And so you hear people back, they think, people think it feels good to bad mouth the person that hurt you.

in this when it doesn't. You don't want that. I know you don't want that for Peter. How has life been since the breakup with the rumors that have been swirling? And then Ashley, I'll let you to speak about kind of how the impact of Peter's family's been on your life because I know they were close with you. It's been like so amazing all of the support I've been given, just, you know, the encouragement. It all kind of came out once because, you know, at first I was holding in like a very exciting

secret that I was engaged could even tell my best friend and then I was afterwards we broke up and I was holding in this horrible secret you know that I've been engaged and I've been betrayed and I had felt like I had the support of my family and you know close friends that knew I was going through difficult time but I at the same time felt very isolated so then overnight it turned into I had, you know, dozens and thousands of people that are on my side that are cheering me on. And it was the most incredible feeling. It literally happened overnight. So it was just, I went from feeling isolated and not being able to tell anyone about what I was

going through to, like, everyone knowing and getting so much support. And it, like, truly, and it meant so much more because I didn't have that before, you know. And so, like, every compliment or every encouraging word, like, it means so much. more to me we um you know after after this conversation today it's very apparent why barb would love you so much and after and after seeing the way that you disrespect and loved her son even through that breakup scene we get it like we get why barb loves you now but we also want to know more about like your lunch date you know with her like when they had the families and you met the family for the first time like she

you left her on cloud nine tell us more about what we didn't see there yeah so meeting peter's family like that was and still is like one of the best days i think i've ever had just because i loved his family so much i just felt like an instant bond so when i walk in i start okay when me and barbillet eyes on each other for the first time we both started crying really we both started crying really we both started crying and we just instantly connected like we sit down on the couch and like we have like a little like a little conversation and then his parents are like oh my gosh you you guys are just like us like and then we do a cheers of her saying like I hope like you are a part of our family something along this line and barb told me she loved me before Peter did

fantastic. That is so good. She was like, I just want to take you home with me to L.A. Like, please come back. Please. I just want to take you home. Come on, Peter. So, but Barb still gave, you know, she still, you know, gave me some tough love and, you know, ask me some difficult questions about, you know, my faith and my lifestyle and how we would fit together. And if I love Peter or not. So we definitely had, you know, those difficult conversations. But, you know, I was just myself. and I think our common ground or our common ground was is that she loves Peter

and I loved him and we were always going to look out for him and I don't know I think she just really appreciated that I just like accepted him for who he is and was and it was always just going to try to be like

the best partner that I could be for him how did you feel about Barb after seeing the way she treated Maddie on the live show yeah something must have happened you know yeah i feel like we're missing a huge part of that story yeah yeah um thankfully i'm not a part of that story but um i know her well enough to know you know she's been nothing

but kind to me um she you know i said multiple times i considered her a second mom uh but something must have happened there and um i'm glad i'm out of it one of the things we always like to do Hannah-Anne is kind of in these in-depth episodes with giving you this the time to speak to anybody out there listening because I know there's stuff that you felt there's anxieties you felt there's joys that you felt there's things you want to celebrate with people and there's things that have that you've had to push and meet the surface we're just going to give you this time I don't know take as long as you want to anybody out there listening going hey Hannah-Anne this has been awesome I feel like I'm finally getting to know you or maybe I've always loved you

and this just solidifies that love or maybe somebody out there is going Hannah Ann, I don't understand you, and I need to know more. What would you say to anybody out there listening who has followed your journey for the last year? And who just wants to hear from you? I think, you know, in the beginning of the season, a lot of people got, like, you know, the wrong impression of me. But I'm really grateful for each person that has been able to, like, stay open-minded about me and still have been, you know, and been able to, like, see my journey and just, take me for who I am. I mean, this journey, or this experience, I don't like to say journey, but this experience, this season of life has just been, you know, I've experienced like the highs,

you know, I've enjoyed the highs, but I also know, you know, I can survive, like, the lowest points that I feel like life can get, there's been times where, like, I just don't even feel like getting up out of bed because I was just so hurt and broken and scared for all this come out. So really, like, my word for anyone is we can all be bonded by one thing, and that is we all hurt. We all are going to suffer at some point in our lives, whether it's through a heartbreak or hardship, but just know that, you know, if you are never truly alone, even in my situation, I couldn't open up to very many people about it, but for me, like, my foundation was my faith and what truly brought me through it and, like, how I, like, how I, like, how

I felt like my heart was so damaged and just twisted and broken. Like, I just ultimately just gave it to God because I knew that he was in control and that he would never, like, allow this to happen if he didn't have, like, a greater plan. And that brought, like, a lot of peace. And every day I had to choose peace. I had to choose joy. I had to choose letting it all go, you know, because I had anger. I had sadness.

I, you know, I had so many emotions, and I just had to choose. every single day not to allow that to get the best of me and to make me a bitter person. Well, Hannah Ann, I appreciate you being here today. It's been awesome talking to you. It's been great to finally get to know you. You are a really just terrific interview and not like, hey, you're the terrific interview because you put on a show. It's just a good interview. It's fun to talk to you. You remind me a lot of our interview with Hannah G that we did. I don't know how long ago. very similar. Ashley, it's now your time to do one of your favorite things on any in-depth episode. Take over. Okay, are you ready for a little rapid fire? We like to finish it out

fun and it's going to be a bachelor edition of rapid fire. Okay, ready? So you can just use like two or three words. Have you been on a date since breaking up with Peter? Yes. Have you been on multiple dates with the same person since breaking up with theater? Yes. Oh, was this person a bachelor person? No. Okay. Is there somebody in Bachelor Nation that you think is cute and you'd be open to dating?

Not right now. Okay. I think everyone's great, but I would have to get to know them first before deciding. And you'd have to stop dating whoever it is that you've been dating before you could. I'm not dating. I'm not exclusive. I'm not going to be exclusive for a long time. I do have to answer that truthfully. Going off of that, would you be open to Bachelor in Paradise? Yes, I'd be open.

And who is the Bachelor alum who has reached out and been the most supportive? The Bachelor alum. Other in Hannah G. Other than Hannah G. Oh, man. There's been a few. Raven's been really great. Cassie. I've spoken with Cassie quite a bit. Yeah. They're both two really good ones. I really like both of them. And Hannah, you, wait, first off, great question. Have you always been Hannah Ann or is because last season had so many Hannah's that you became Hannah Ann? Yeah. Well, I wanted, so like growing up like in the South, there's obviously a lot of Hannah's. And plus in the South, this like typical for like it to be a double name. So his name was named. After both of my grandmothers, I had Grandma Hannah and then Grandma Carol Ann. And so I was the firstborn grandchild and my grandmother's refuting over who I was going to be named after. So when I was younger, I was always called Hannah Ann. And then going on to the show just with Hannah Brown and Hannah G. I was like, oh, well, let's switch it back to Hannah. Yeah.

Okay. Perfect. Well, it was a good decision. A really good decision. Thank you so much for being here today. I've just loved getting to know you and it just reaffirms for me that like we can't pretend like we know these people on TV when we're watching because there's so much that we don't get to see in your storyline and it's it's too bad we didn't get to know you on TV as well as we've gotten to know today. Thank you guys for giving me the opportunity to share more of myself and, you know, to listen to you guys. You guys have been awesome. It's been like very therapeutic. This is good therapy for me. I agree. Well, that's what these in-depth episodes are about. Hey, if we don't get to know you well enough through this show, then you're going to come on

here. And Ashley and I just want to sit down to get to know you better. Han-Anne, thanks again. Han, I need you to participate in one last thing, okay? We end every episode of the almost famous podcast in the same way. So follow our lead. You're going to be doing the same thing as us. Hey, listeners out there, you've been great. We appreciate you. I hope, we hope you've enjoyed listening to Hannah Ann on the in-depth podcast. Once again, to reiterate what Ashley said, Hannah-Anne was amazing. With that, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. I've been Hannah-Anne. Later, guys. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. And make sure you watch the upcoming show, listen to your heart, which

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