The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous In Depth: Jason Tartick

Episode Date: September 17, 2020

While his girlfriend Kaitlyn Bristowe is “Dancing with the Stars”, Ben and Ashley sit down with Jason Tartick to go In Depth with one of Bachelor Nation’s recent superstars. Jason gets real about his experience in The Bachelor world and he shares his honest thoughts on Becca and Garrett's break-up.He opens up about his diverse family and his mindset as a child. But we also hear the unbelievable story of how he ended up on The Bachelorette! We get all the details on the group text between Jason, Blake and Colton when they were all vying for The Bachelor. And we hear about the BAD first date between him and Kaitlyn.Plus Ben reveals who is invited to his wedding! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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scheduled weekly podcast, which is just the almost famous podcast. Go ahead and follow us at Almost underscore Famous Podcast. That's on Instagram. We're just going to keep you loaded with content. We're super pumped for it. But with that, let's go ahead and get started. Ashley, how are you doing? I'm good. I'm very excited about today's guest. I feel like this person has a lot of depth so it'll be really easy to do an in-depth episode on him it's it's going to be great so actually i want to give you a little bit of a story here before we get started uh you knew this but kind of when covid hit um i've talked about it that i was experiencing a ton of envy and a ton of uh insecurity in my own life and i you know i was really having a hard time and i didn't know

I didn't have like an outlet for anybody within Bachelor Nation who was really one of the men to go to right away because I obviously talked to other bachelors, but sometimes like when you're like, hey, I don't feel like I have a lot going on. I'm kind of struggling with my identity. There was like this little bit of like shame inside of me that didn't want to tell other bachelors about that just because I was like trying to keep up with the Joneses. And I just happened to fall in the conversation with Caitlin Bristow. somehow I forget how and she I was telling her this because I think she was feeling similar and she goes you need to talk to Jason because Jason speaks so much truth to me and I think he would want to speak truth to you too and so I actually started texting Jason and just let you know Jason Tardick is the guest of the in-depth podcast this episode and he was incredible to me like he does have a lot of depth and I want to take a second here and read through his bio Jason Tardick is a speaker, investor, and founder of Restart, a consulting company, vlog, that's vlog video, you know, thing,

and blog centered around informational and inspirational niche life hacks. Prior to his stint in reality TV, Jason was a corporate banker. He earned his bachelor's degree in business administration from SUNY Geneseo and his MBA in accounting and finance from the University of Rochester. As a corporate banker, he executed. over 100 million of lending to companies he worked with, which all earned over 20 million in revenue. Jason's business endeavors coupled with his charismatic personality has landed him co-hosting opportunities on shows such as Live for Me, E, Daily, Pop, The Bachelor, and Yahoo

finance. And we all know that he's currently dating Caitlin Brissau, and he normally resides in Nashville, but while she's on dancing with the stars, the two of them are living in Los Angeles with their two dogs, so infamous dogs, ramen, and Pinot G. Pino de Grisio, but Pino G for, you know, the familiar. To the podcast, we welcome somebody that we are ecstatic to talk to. You know, for anybody out there listening, these in-death podcasts are hand-chosen. You know, we really take time to consider who we want to interview and how we want to interview them. We've had some great episodes in the past that you should go back and listen to. I think they're timeless if you're a fan of The Bachelor franchise.

They're evergreens for us. They're evergreens for us. Well, I believe this one is going to be one as well. Welcome to the almost famous in-death podcast, Jason Tardik. Hey, guys. How's it going? What's up, Jason? Good.

How are you? Good. Doing well. It's good to see you guys. I haven't been on almost famous in like two years. Stop that now. It has not been two years. I actually feel like I can, I can think back it's been since the I Heart podcast awards.

Wasn't that January? So I beat you. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we did that quick one. I forgot about that. Yeah. I forgot about that. Man, it's wild when you say two years to think that we've been doing this for like way over that.

Yeah. I remember the first time I came on your podcast. I was so nervous. I'm like, oh, my God. It's bad. And Ashley, this is so cool. I swear, I do. I remember. It was like, and that was like yesterday, and it was over two years ago. Like, where's time got? It's just flying, man. It's. It is. Well, hey, thank you for coming on here. This is always a big deal. It's always our most listened to episodes.

It's a big deal to our listeners that you would give up this much time just to tell us who you are. I started and I want to start here and then Ashley will dive in with some of the early questions. I don't know if you remember this. I just mentioned it in your intro, but a few months ago, I was really struggling with a lot of, like, just like wild thoughts, envy and security and whatever. And I somehow fell in the conversation with Caitlin.

I forget where and how. She goes, you should talk to Jason. And she just told me at that time how amazing you've been for her as a partner and as a confidant. And then how great you would be for me. And you just sent me like one or two texts. and I didn't get to really tell you in person yet, but yeah, thanks for just being a dude who who's a smart guy, who sees through it all and who also gets it. And then thanks for coming on here.

It means a lot to us. Yeah, well, I really appreciate that. Really kind words. I do remember that too when we had that text threat going back and forth. And there was some powerful messaging in there, but I think at the end of the day with that stuff, it's just when you see people in your circles succeed and you're really genuinely happy for their success. It's just a, it's a reflection on you. It's a reflection on them. And their success will, it just bleeds energy into like a good way. And I remember that conversation then. And yeah, that was, I'm glad we could be a part of that. And it's good to be back on the show and talk to both you guys. Awesome. Well, let's get started. Ashley, take it away. Okay. So we like to start out with your childhood. Let's talk about where you were you born in Buffalo,

New York? I was born in Buffalo, New York, and I wear that on my chest every day. Yeah, so like, tell us about growing up in snowy, cold Buffalo, New York. You grew up with, you grew up with an Italian and a Jewish parent, and that was what my dad grew up with. And it's a household that is full of food and feeding love is shown through food. And there's all. And there's all, also a lot of passion in those relationships. So just like, tell us briefly about how your childhood was. Yeah, there is a lot of passion. I think about my family. It's like, I always think of like modern family, right? I had a gay brother growing up, Jewish mother. And then my father was Middle Eastern. I was a little Italian and he's Catholic. And so my mother's side too, like from a,

you know, I don't want to get into politics. But, you know, definitely my parents had different views. And it's interesting to be in a family where people have different views and have different sexual orientation and just grow up and be exposed to almost as much as I could have. Right. Like we'd celebrate Hanukkah and Christmas. And then my brother, like I was always playing sports growing up. And my brother, he just wasn't into sports. So, you know, trying to, you know, do things with my brother to still have a really strong relationship. So he would always come to my sports games. and he was big into magic. So what I would do is I would be his viewing audience before he would perform.

And so I would always look for like, oh, how do you do the magic trick? And so it was this such, what I would say, well-balanced childhood to be exposed to so much at different times. And I actually get, I think about high school, I get a little like emotional thinking about it. Just I could see it other times. I was like the athlete, the jock. And I think about like my brother being picked.

time and think about stuff like that and you know that that that's tough um but he was such a strong individual and still is and uh it was just a special time how close an age are you so he's three years older than me so like i was a friend i just some bad some memories just came top of mind but i know like i was a freshman on the hockey varsity hockey team and varsity soccer team and you know he wasn't really into sports so i was so i know he's like see seniors and some of his classmates and he was super well liked popular but you know there's still it's a that's a tough time and a tough age um to be in like the whole position of like coming out and um finding yourself in um you know at that age so but in a more in a positive spin the coolest thing about him is

no matter what he was just always himself he was a leader amongst his peers and he's grown into like such an awesome guy happily married and uh our relationship while our differences and our interests and hobbies are so drastic uh our relationship just continues to get stronger which is pretty cool i got uh i got two questions there to follow up on that so how old was he when he uh officially came out to his peers and to the family so i think it was around like summer of junior year going into senior year and you know obviously we sit in a time and and politics are never there are no end game here but we sit in a time where there's a ton of isolation divisiveness within most people somehow some way and growing up in a household that your your family did

have different viewpoints uh your brother and you didn't see things the same way what lessons did you learn during that time that you see now and and how did how did you see your family interact in the midst of all of this kind of i mean i guess disagreements. Yeah, I think it's just having what's so sad now with all the divisiveness is it is now emotionally, it's so emotionally charged as probably it should be. But unfortunately, instead of like finding common ground, instead of explaining positions the way that I was always visible to like what my parents would do, it's become so combative and so emotional. And I think the problem is, is things just won't get resolved when that's the case. And with my parents,

it was while they have different perspectives, and they still do, it's always interesting to see the respect they have for one another and the way that they listen and communicate with each other, right? It's not about winning the argument. It's not about talking louder or having an aggressive tone. It's about like really understanding both sides to see how a common ground can be made. And yeah, I think it's helped me a lot with my communication. style and also just conflict resolution, right, which is huge in friendships, relationships, business, almost every aspect of life. To get a little lighter, but I also totally, I love what you're saying.

Your brother, you played a joke on him in kindergarten or your brother pranked you in kindergarten and then you like told the teacher that one plus, I mean, two plus two equals five and then the teacher called your parents tell us about this. Oh, yeah. So my brother is always really smart guy, brilliant guy. I'm always smarter than me. He could always fool me. I was the most gullible kid. So he tells me when I'm going to kindergarten, Jason. Now listen, they're going to tell you that two plus two equals four. You're going to sound like the smartest guy in the classroom because you're going to fall. You're not going to fall for the trick. You're going to fool them. Two plus two equals five. So I was like, okay, I got it. And what do you know? I go up to my teacher and say, hey, I know you're going to do the lesson. Plus two equals four. I know it's fine. Like with all the strength and power I could get together on my first day of kindergarten wearing a Barney shirt. But that's a whole different story. But that being said, the kindergarten teacher called my parents. It was like, you know, it's only the first day. And we're having some struggles with Jason. He's very stern and his thinking,

my mom and dad had like a sit down conversation with me. I was like, but that's what Stephen told me. And I said, I won't let him move it down to this day. That's for sure. Sure. You were like a star athlete, as you've been saying. Was there any moment that you were super awkward, that you were very uncomfortable in your skin? Yeah, I mean, let's think about that. Or you're always the cool guy. It's okay if you're always cool. No, no. If you have to think about moments of awkwardness, you and I can't relate. You and I literally. Well, I'm going to come with it. I was like when I was a kid, I had that awkward stage and my parents put, had those, you know, glasses, right? And they are. They put me in, like, rec specs and then the most ridiculous glasses that Caitlin still has as her background every time I call now. And I was the most clumsy kid in the world.

Like, I'll never forget, ever. There's this girl that lived on our street name was Julie. She was the pretty girl, and she was older, and she was outside on the front yard, and I saw her, and she put her hands out, Jason, like, to give me a hug. So I ran outside, full speed. And on the grass, there was a, I'll never forget this freaking rake. It was a rake with a long, rooted, a wooden, like, freaking handle. I stepped right on the rig, nailed me in the face. I start crying.

I'm bleeding. I didn't get my hug. That's the kind of guy was running into parked cars. It took some time. And then we grew out of the awkward ones you stuff. Hey, a little bit of a, I just want to share a little bit of my history here. Very first day of kindergarten for me, Jason. My mom is filming me as I get off the bus.

She's super, super excited for this. And this video has me ride a purple backpack and I'm running down the stairs of the bus. And I'm so excited to see my mom and tell her about my first day of school. You see me miss the last two steps and fall flat on my face outside the bus. Just full like face plant arms spread. So we can relate. We're good there. Wait, was it this podcast that I told you my kindergarten story with the rake?

I don't know. Okay. So to combine a rake and kindergarten, When I was about to go into kindergarten, I asked my mom, mom, when do we go out and buy me a rake? And then she's like, why would you need a rake? I was like, because it's called kindergarten. Aren't we going to be gardening? That's incredible.

So literal. That's all literal of you. Good old ash. Well, so Jason, obviously, you found success early on in life, though. You did. The fact is you were an athlete that blossomed early. you were a part of the varsity hockey team you were a captain of the soccer team uh i say this to say like success and like you felt success early on in life how has that translated to today with the

success you found as like a businessman yeah that's a that's a good question i think one thing for me is when i was like looking into what i wanted out of my career for me it was always athletics right And the beautiful thing about athletics is what you put in is what you get out, right? When you work out and you do your runs and everything, you see the results. So for me, I always wanted a career that would allow for that. And so business development and sales was just that. But I also think you have to have just a career in life. You have to have like a sense of being grounded, right?

There's always going to be someone who's bigger, faster, stronger, taller. And if you're constantly benchmarking yourself against other people, I think it's only going to lead to deeper insecurities that are uncontrollable. And for me, it was like, I'm just going to focus on me. And when someone is better and taller and faster and stronger, I can learn from that person. Or maybe I could befriend them and, you know, we can help one another as opposed to trying to be upset that I wasn't the number one score or whatever. And I think I've translated that through athletics, through my career, and really through

almost every aspect of life is like, I need to wake up. I would like to wake up tomorrow better than I was today. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to have a terrible day. But if I'm not learning from that day so that history doesn't repeat itself, then in my position, I'm not growing as an individual. And those are some of the things I think about when I go back to like the days like travel hockey and soccer and all of that college soccer and all that stuff

into where I am today. You have such a practical and positive way of like just setting your mind. How have you always been like that? Do you always, are you one of those guys that is, like I preach, you know, I teach what I cannot do. Like what, how do you, how did you get that when you start forming that positive mindset? Does that make sense? Yeah, I don't, I think it just like an early, I think you have one of two options in this

crazy world we live in that's only gotten crazier, especially this year, is your, your outlook, just like the way that you perceive things. And I can look at one situation and we can have 18 different opinions and perceptions of it. but to me there's just only so much energy that we all have and i honestly think about it like a funnel like if i can take my negative energy from a tough situation and somehow funnel it into positive energy to do something good with it i think um it's just going to lead to more productivity and more happiness and just better energy for you and the people you surround yourself with and so what i

try and do is just take all the energy good bad and ugly and like channel it and funnel it into something good to create a good outlet well you definitely are doing some great things uh you're definitely making an impact uh it's awesome to hear about your childhood and i honestly didn't know the diversity that existed within your family and the different mindsets and it's a great way to start a terrific in-depth episode jason we're going to pause here when we come back we're going to walk through your time on uh the bachelorette and then moving into what in the world you're doing now which is a lot. And maybe, just maybe, we'll touch on your partner, Caitlin Bristow. We'll be back with Jason Tardick on the Almost Famous End-Depth podcast.

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First girlfriend that I could like, serious, serious girlfriend was like seventh grade. Seventh grade. That's very early for a serious relationship. Oh, we were serious. We were making out, I'll know, we were making out at this movie, The Animal with Rob Schneider. Oh, my God. I remember that. Yeah. And I had this crazy moment the other day.

I interviewed Dana White live. And then after the interview, he went live with Rob Schneider. and Rob Schneider was like, I just saw you live with Jason Tardick and he goes, that guy, I'll tell you what. Talk about UFC. You could tell that guy's never taking a punch. I don't think he'd last.

Oh, my God, that's hilarious. I had the coolest moment with Rob Schneider. That's great. He's a really cool guy in real life. Okay, so you were like making out in seventh grade, meaning that you were one of those kids that was like so much further advanced than I was that I would be very nervous around them.

I remember watching, like, eighth graders be, like, pinned against lockers making out with people. And I was like, I am so far away from this. Big commitment. Hey, you know, we all move at different bases. Do you remember her name? Yes, her name was Amy. And how long were you with Amy?

What did it teach you about relationships? I was with her for about a year. And I remember, like, I mean, you know, kind of serious at that time. And, I mean, what did that teach me about relationships that, you know, not everything's perfect and not everything works, I guess? I'm so young. I had no idea what was going on. Amy's a sweet girl, though. She's doing just fine today. So are you, Jason. But she's doing just fine. She's recovered from that breakup. So any other relationships leading up to your time of The Bachelorette that are worth speaking of? Yeah, you know, I had a very, very serious, I mean, let's say it, but like it was. It's my high school sweetheart. We dated for like four years.

And then I was in a really serious relationship to before the show for about four, four and a half years. So I was like these guys, like when I was single, I was single and had a great time. But like when I dated and I committed like I went all in. Two of those relationships were, you know, a total of like eight and a half years. And in one of those, you know, I think, you know, I broke someone's heart and one of those had my heart broken. So kind of saw both sides of it. But, you know, I just think those are the experiences of life that you got to go through because it just, it shapes you as a person.

And that's the purpose of dating, right? Like people out there that are anyone that's struggling and dating, like the reason you date is so you can learn from each dating experience. If you're not learning from it and coming out with a better understanding of like what you need to be as a partner, what you need in a partner, then it's just, I feel like you're wasting everyone's time. And so both of those scenarios, those people weren't for me. they weren't my my one and only but learned a lot from them where were you in your life when

you sign up for the bachelor or was nominated yeah so i did this uh charity auction though it's a bachelor guilda's club a bachelor auction and so i got sponsored by the bank to do it and so you you come out and you dance and it was actually like a formal thing like we're all in tuxedoes people bid on you to go on the date and then they get this whole date package and every dollar goes to Gilda's Club, which is a charity from Gilda Radner, who died of ovarian cancer. And it's all to really, like, focus on helping families that are undergoing someone in their family with treatment. And so that night we raised, I think I raised, like, I don't know, the date went off for like $3,300. I was dancing like an idiot to old time rock and roll. And it's my understanding that

recording got sent to ABC. Now, that was March 2017. And then I moved to Seattle for a new job. And I remember, I remember it was Saturday night. I went out after it. I was hung over Sunday morning. I listened to my voicemail. And it's an ABC producer saying, hey, wanted to check in. We have this video you from the Bachelor auction and nomination. Would you want to be part of the show?

Are you still single? If so, we just sent you an application. And I get this application. You guys know, they ask you everything, right? I mean, they want to know literally who your girlfriend was in seventh grade. And so I thought it was like fraud. I'm like, this is a killer game. I had my mom look it up and she's like, that's a legit producer. And so I was in Seattle at the time and said, you know what? It's 29. Kind of the only thing I've done at this point is chase my career. I've relocated seven, eight, nine times. Like, why the hell not? Like, let's just give it a goal. Let's roll. Let's acknowledge the fact that you were being auctioned off for a date before you were even on the bachelor. Like, like people just wanted to pay money to go on a date with Jason beforehand.

That's the kind of catch he is. He needed the confidence, though. We've just learned. The guy struggled with success and confidence his whole life. He needed that little boost. Oh, that's funny. That is so funny. Good times.

And what's funny, though, about that story, I called my best buddy. And I was like, dude, you're never going to believe this call I got today. He's like, wait, you're never going to believe this call I got today. So my best friend, Hawk growing up, he got called the same day I did. did for the bachelor. And so he went through, yeah, he went through the whole process. He went all the way, he went to New York, like that's like the regionals or whatever. And they ended up not selecting him.

But the irony of the fact that there was a date with Becca and Richmond, Virginia, and three of my friends came and surprised me, and he was one of the guys. So we still talk about that to this day, like, what if it would have been him and like how different things would be? And yeah, it's crazy how life works. Was anyone in your family a big bachelor fan? my mom's a huge basketball fan she's watched every season since uh trista's my dad you know he's kind of like indifferent like he's like watch it with you honey but like i don't think he like

absolutely loves it and then my brother has not he's like he doesn't know what the bachelor is now he certainly does but and i was kind of just in between and my mom was so pissed when she found out she's like wait a second this is my world like this is my escape of girlfriends we gossip about this I don't have to listen to this and that this is my world to stay out of it and then I figured she's like he'll go home really like we'll be fine and then she got dragged the hometown so that's another story the it's true though it's funny how you're like some of my most loyal friends to the bachelor franchise so people who have watched it family who has watched their whole lives I almost feel like I did ruin it for them like some of them don't watch anymore not because

there's any like insider information that you know blows it up but they've I think it's the like fantasy of it all maybe where like you watch it on TV you you can kind of judge and critique and say things you want and then when you know somebody's gone on it then it like takes the fun away like there's no fantasy to it anymore you know what it is and it's not that enjoyable to be a part of it you've touched it yeah I mean hometown hero Ben becomes the freaking king of the franchise like I'm done with this franchise I know yeah this sucks but you were top three on Becca season so this I mean you go on the show your mom doesn't think you're going to make it very far she goes to hometowns with you you make it the top

three on becca's season and things ended in thailand for you personally and we always like to talk about it what was it like to kind of heal from the breakup publicly but also what was it like to heal from the whole experience going back to your family yeah it's a it's a healing process right i mean you go everyone that comes out of that show you get you're a little mentally jaded a little bit you start to question things and you know you don't realize you've watched everything back and you start to see how in love they were with someone else and then you start to question yourself like what's how did i not see through that how was i stuck in my own little world and um you know i think it's one of these things that i just felt like i was very like like on the show a little bit

i was like blindsided so then you start you start bringing that to like different aspects of your life and you start thinking like oh am i going to get blindsided here and future relationships So for me, it was a good experience. I learned a lot about myself. It was almost therapeutic in the fact that I didn't really ever talk about my feelings. I never really addressed some of the things internally. And on that show, you have to. It's a crash course.

So I think I came out of that show, like so much of a stronger person and so much more like in touch with who I am as a person, like what I want out of life. So overall, the experience was great. It really was. But, you know, you guys all know this. Like when you go through that breakup on the show, It's brutal. And then you've got to watch it all back.

And you're like, no, come on. I can't through this shit again. So it's tough. Your brother was, I think, the first and only gay sibling that we've seen in hometowns. And he brought his husband. How did that make you feel that you were able to bring it just to like show that on The Bachelor? It was one of the more revolutionary things we've seen in the past couple years. Yeah, I think it was unbelievable.

kudos to ABC for showcasing that in such a normal fashion, right? There wasn't special attention to it. It was right. It was just people that are married and happy. End of story. And I guess what my concern was, is we see all the trolls all over the internet, like what would the viewing population of the Bachelor have to say about this? How would Twitter get, you know, how would they be?

And honestly, there was so much support from the whole Bachelor community, which was really special. I loved the fact that during that episode it was like, this is my brother and his husband and there was nothing else brought up. There was never like, you're going to meet my gay brother. Yeah, yeah.

And it wasn't even like a conversation point, which was fantastic. And I think that's how it should be. It reminds me, we talked a little bit about my child, it reminds me of this story, and I'll never forget it, it was, and it didn't click until later on, but I was in like sixth grade,

And I know you had six or seventh grade. My brother could drive. I couldn't. And so I needed a ride to the rink. So I told my brother, five bucks. I'll give you five bucks. I'm negotiating with him. And he's like, okay, fine, I'll do it.

So he drives me in the rink. We're talking. We're talking. I remember one of my friend's sister, there were these rumors that she was a lesbian. And so I was just like kind of even learning what all that meant. And so I asked when I said, I know you're friends with her, you know, is she, like I asked said, is she a lesbian? And I never forget, he looked at me.

He thought about it. He looked at me. He was like, Jason, a question back for you. Like, if she was, you know, at this time, I had no idea if he was gay or not or I didn't really know what that meant, honestly. And he said, what if she was, would that matter? And I just, I remember thinking for us, like, up in the air, this first time I was ever, like, asked that question.

And we were pulling up to the rink. I said, no, if she's happy, that's all that matters, I guess. And he's like, yeah, okay. Well, I'm not really sure where she stands, but, yeah, I was just interested. it. And I go out to take my wallet and I have five bucks. I'm like, here you go. Thanks for the ride. He goes, no, don't worry about it. This is free. And so I always wonder, I'm like, why didn't you give me a free ride? And then like years later, I'm like, oh my God. Right. Like it all, it all clicked. Right. He was clear. I mean, obviously the story tells, it has a lot of meaning there. So yeah. It's, it's, I mean, I just can't underestimate for you personally, like how big of a, a benefit it was to have. And it's, it's, it's, I mean, I just can't underestimate. It's, it's, it's, I mean, it's, it's, it's, I mean, it was to have. It's, him in your life because for me you know we've talked about it here with recently just with all the changes and the confusion and everything going on like how much of it I feel like I'm catching up on and I'm learning as I go and I'm uneducated on because I've never been exposed to it or I've

never um had to confront some of these things for you to have somebody so close to you that you care about that you trust who is gay who can help walk you through that like I mean that that That's just incredible. Yeah. I mean, to have someone, yeah, that has just different perspectives and can challenge the way you think and, you know, and to learn all this at a young age from someone who's like very insightful, intelligent is, I think it's just rounded me. And it's been, it's awesome. It's really, it's special. You guys had a really strong friendship between Becca's top four.

Obviously, Garrett and Becca just broke up. and just wondering if you've talked to him, if you talked to her. Yeah, so I haven't talked to Garrett much, like, just like little things. Like, you might comment on something or comment that, you know, like, I haven't talked to, Garrett. Actually, we saw and spent time with Becca last night. Becca was so sweet. She wanted to do something special for Caitlin for her for show. And so she surprised her with a few of her friends.

And actually, Chris and Lauren stopped by and put this little, nice little like hors d'oeuvres and wine and stuff last night. We had a great time. And yeah, you could tell like, we got it. We talked a lot about it. And, you know, the tough part about that is like you watched it all back and then I spent time with both of them after the show and we were all friends. And they were like genuinely. Like they were really in love. They were really in love. So it's sad to see, especially back as such a, You guys are such an amazing person and to see her have to go through that twice, right? Two engagements, not putting out in her favor is tough.

But you know what? I think she's in that. She seems like she's in a great place and she's moving forward and moving on. I'm sure she's not looking for people to date right now, but do you have anybody from The Bachelor or off camera that you would set Becca up with? Oh, that is a good question. imagine if her and Blake got back together like that's serious

like I don't see it happening but like imagine what a like full circle love story that would be who could I see back alone that's actually really good answer you can keep brainstorming I'll keep brainstorming but I think I could see that I could see that maybe there was a lot I mean I don't think he's going to get mad at me for saying

it's like I know he was legitimately heartbroken like it that's like when you get off the show. Sometimes, like, you'll meet the guys and they'll be like, oh, yeah, now I'm on to the next. Like, I'm just going to go do my thing. Like, Blake really felt that relationship. So not a bad idea. Yeah. I mean, he was, yeah, I'm friendly. Blake and I are good friends. And he was struggling for, right? I mean, like, he was for a while. So, hey, maybe he's got it out of his system. He's ready to go, you know? Who knows? Well, that brings up a good point because, you know, getting off of a show is always a unique experience.

And everybody forms these amazing friendships while they're on the show. But then it fades. Like a lot of times you see seasons where people come off and they're the closest as close can be. And then give it two years. People have gone their separate ways. Your season was unique. And I think it's one that everybody identifies where your top four and even further on, like you can go down the list, have stayed close.

Is there an actual closeness amongst you all? And if so, what do you think is? helped keep that going. And if not, like, why? Like, what, what happens to allow people to go their other, other, you know, their own separate ways? Yeah, I think of like the top four, Blake and I are certainly the closest of those guys and still are to this day. I think, um, you go through this crazy experience, right? Life changing experience. And no one, no one can relate to your parents can relate to your best friends can relate to your siblings. And so the only people that could really totally get it. And that's why I think like, like,

the final fourth thing we became so close is because we all went through this life-changing things and we're trying to figure it all out. We're dealing, you know, first time you'll never forget you get your DM where people are being so mean and you're like, who do I talk to about this? I think it creates such a natural connection. And then what happens is life happens, right? You start to see kind of what happens under this world. And I think a lot of character comes out in people and like what they do and how they do it. And then additionally, you know, people become in different relationships and life moves on and they go in different directions. So I think it's natural for those relationships to fade,

but it's still really cool the relationships that stay strong. Blake and I are still really good buddies. And it was even like last night when I'm hanging out with Caitlin and Becca Tilly and Becca Kufrin, they're all such good friends. And it is interesting to see like within the franchise which friendships really last and then which friendships fizzle away, which seem that most fizzle away once that initial spark is kind of deteriorated or gone out. I think you said that well.

Like there is that family aspect to the Bachelor world. And I think it exists long term with those who want it to, right? Like, you know, it has to be intentional because everybody gets super crazy and life changes so quickly. But, you know, going back to the beginning of this podcast, you know, you only have a few people that can relate and you only have a few people that can speak truth into you. and you know for me asking that of you and then you know others as well like that becomes a really special bond that i i do believe could last a lifetime and that's and that's something incredible absolutely there's no doubt in this wild there will be friends in the franchise you know if i think about like kaila and i's wedding and i picture it like there will be people from the franchise in our

wedding uh you know you guys won't be there and like that's what a cool thing like life there's so many detours in life and there's so many new relationships that are had because of you know taking change as an opportunity as opposed to like a deterrent and it's just pretty it's pretty cool the way it all and there are some relationships that we'll have for sure for a life time yeah we just did the guest list to our wedding and uh you guys did make your 400 person wedding um yeah you made the cut but uh it is you know it made me uh jess and i were just together uh this week and we were talking through the guest list and making it and it does it like almost does you know get get emotional and like wow this crazy thing that i did because somebody signed me up or i signed myself up and i dated and i

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now on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, Jason, coming off of Becca's season, Those four of you, top four, that got so close, you also were like all running to be the bachelor, all in a running to be the bachelorette, except for Garrett, of course. The bachelor.

The bachelor. Let's be clear. You're all in the running to be the bachelor. So, um, there is a lot of competition between you guys for that role, or were you really just supportive of each other? I think it was, I think it was friendly competition, but also supportive. Like, I think we all made a path.

Like, whatever happens, we got each other's back and we'll be happy for that person. At the same time, like everyone was angling, right? Like, everyone was trying. I feel like everyone wanted it. Between Blake, Colton, and I, we all wanted to be the vassal. And I think we all kind of angled in different ways. But the interesting thing is, like, we had a group chat. And we were talking about, like, exactly where we stood.

So I remember one of the first times, like, Blake was flown in early to L. way before Colton and I were like oh it's going to be Blake it's going to be Blake and then you know they go through the whole process where you got to get your fingerprint and your blood all the due diligence they should do and then you know I a roommate of mine from college I hadn't talked to you in like 10 years call me like hey I just got a call they're doing like background check they actually call those roommates oh yeah oh yeah oh and the questions were like he was like man they were getting in the weeds with the questions like they were like everything about you and so then i would do you hey guys i just got my call and colton would be

like well i just you know i just got my call and so it came down to the wire it was a sunday night uh i think it was right before labor day weekend they we got a text from other producers saying hey we are going to call you guys the next 10 minutes oh my gosh and yeah it's just right from the first call was like you know he said i'm sorry and i'm like ah what a bummer the but the funny part about this I don't remember this, Jason. So Blake and Colton were both out in Denver at the time. You were, I think, in Seattle. They were over at my house the night, I think, before.

It was a Saturday night they came over to the house for drinks. I think, yeah, they knew that they were going to get a call pretty soon. The funny part is once each of them left the room, both of them were convinced it was them that was going to be the bachelor dude. Were you convinced it was going to be you? No. And no point. I mean, I really didn't.

I was convinced, I thought I was going to be Blake, to be honest. I thought it was interesting talking to those guys, like about their interviews and stuff. Like, you know, and Colton even, like, I remember him telling us, I'm like, damn, I should have thought of that. He went in and he was like, listen, Blake and Jason are great guys, and they're both good friends in mind. And you'll get a really good love story, I think, from both of them. But he sold himself. He's like, but if you want a good show, you want to put on a show, you'll go with me. I'm like, damn, that's a pitch.

That's the infamous Colon Pitch. yeah that's a pitch and so i mean that's how open we were with each other we told each other like everything that was going on and so i genuinely thought it was going to be blake blake thought it was going to be me and it was cool yeah that's wild no i do remember that time that was a that was a fun time to sit and watch because i'd been through it but your stories were different and you were all friends which is unique uh yeah that experience was one that i I really remember walking through. Well, I remember the producers were communicating with us one-on-one.

Then they quickly learned that we had a group chat. They're like, okay, you know, screw it. Let's just get a group chat going. Remember how many before? Let's get a group chat with who will be the next best. I got to go find that chat. Jason, this would be the time where I tell you, if you don't want to answer this question, you don't have to, but is there anything you want to say about what Colton's going through right now?

Yeah, no, not at this time. Okay. Just had to throw it out there so I can tell people it was thrown out there. No, I'll be positioning it like that too, thank you. Okay, so you didn't go on Paradise. Did they give you a strong enough inkling that you would be in the running to become the Bachelor? And then therefore, you decided not to go on Paradise? Yeah, so I did, the funny thing about Paradise is I signed the contract with the Paradise.

I got the blood work to go. Passed, obviously. Sending the contract, was ready to go. And then I talked to my boss about it. And my boss was like, listen, we let you go on the show. Because I went right back to the work, like the day I got you do this one, it's not going. Like when I've talked to the people at the top, I'm not going to work out your time

room stuff. So that was a big reason why I didn't go. The second thing is like honestly, like when I sat back and I was just being real with myself, I talked to people that I thought would provide good insight. I was going on that show. reason I signed the contract, the reason I was going to go is because I wanted to be on it. Like, I'm like, oh, let's get a, let's do another TV show. Like, that's fun. I knew that there was, I knew I wasn't in a position to find someone. I didn't, like, based on what I was here and who's

going, I didn't think there would be any fits. So at the end of the day, I'm like, I'm not going. I mean, it's such a cliche thing and got going for the right reasons, but I was not going at all for the right reasons. So it was a last minute thing that I said, guys, I'm sorry. I led you on because I said I was going to go and I've signed the contract. but I didn't go. And looking back on it, if you asked me, do I think if I went, it would have helped my chances at potentially being the bachelor?

I think my answer is like easy. I don't think, I don't think me going or not going had anything to do with it. I think you fall. I think you, I don't think, I think you're with the right person now. I want to preface this statement with that.

I think you're, this is an awesome relationship. I think, Jason, you would have had a hard time not falling pretty strongly for somebody in paradise because I feel like, that's your I feel like that environment is your lane interesting what about it super social super social very much of a of a group environment where people lean on each other for insight I think the women would

watch you and be like wow Jason is honest he's truthful he's loved by everybody here and like I just like talking to him and he's super good looking uh-oh I think I met my husband then I remember to be honest I just mentioned I called a group of people. You were one of the five, six guys I called because one of the producers suggested, hey, why don't you? Here's some people in the franchise. I think that could give a good perspective. And so you kind of, you actually, I'm there, you were like, dude, just go.

Like, why not? You already did the bachelor. Bachelorette didn't work out. You did great. Like, go give it a shot. So I remember thinking about it. But, you know, hindsight's 2020. I think it was the right decision for me.

And like you said, it all works out for the right reason, that me not be in the batch or me not going on Paradise because. I'm with the beauty of all beauties. So you didn't go on Paradise because of work. It had nothing to do with the fact that they were considering you for Bachelor. Nothing. And again, they did me any type of inclination. And if I go on the Bachelor or Paradise, it would help me or hurt me.

So they didn't give me anything. And honestly, looking back on it, I genuinely believe that with the whole like Tia plot that they knew when Colton was going on Paradise, that he was going to be a bachelor, right? I mean, I think it was all set up at that point that we were backups. Now look at that. All right. Well, shall we discuss the moment that you met Caitlin Burstow? Yes.

Let's talk about it. Let's do it. So she was in, when you met, was she single or was she single and hadn't really come out about their breakup? or was she still with Sean? So my understanding, I remember like, because I knew I was going to podcast with her. So like kind of, like, oh, podcast and cute. And everyone was talking about the fact that they had broken up

but hadn't like come out with. I, I had no inclinning other than the fact that when I walked in the podcast, she was, I gave her a big hug right when I first saw her. And she's like, sorry. It was great on it. I remember feeling that energy. That was a good. Anyway, she was crying.

So, and I could, oh, I kind of want to stay out of it. Olivia was there. But obviously, actually, I wouldn't say eavesdropping, what they're talking in front of me. It could quickly connect the dots that had had something to do with her relationship. I didn't ask any questions. I didn't look into it at all. But, you know, if I'm being completely honest, you take, you take mental notes. Okay.

You've heard they're really. broken up. She's crying. You know, you can kind of hear some things. So I didn't really know and I didn't ask. I was like, I'm not, that's the I don't want to get, get into that, you know, into the weeds there. Then you left the podcast and how do things play out? Walk us through the story. Yeah. So leave the podcast and just like, you know, I walked away like, whoa, I was blown the way it's like yeah like i felt a ton of chemistry and i was like our banter was great and i walked around the corner called one of my best boys actually the same guy hawk who was going to be on the show was on the show yeah i called hawk and i like hawk and then i called my mom and i joked around like

yeah i think i just met my future way no way and they were like yeah and and so that was kind of like like being facetious and i just she's awesome and all this stuff so yeah we just like you know she'd like send me some like here's the photos you know like if you wanted to post about it and then there was like a couple like jib jab chirps and like little things here i thought it was flirty i don't know if that's kately flirting or not but it just was like i was getting i could tell i was getting like brozo i was like i was like a little bro like oh this is funny yeah and so yeah then i think it went uh you know friend zone for a while and then little flirty and then um we went on our first date and it was awesome and it's it's been it's been just a hell of a ride since then so let's get

this straight you guys are kind of like not really texting but kind of texting your friends you're close enough friends where you're like this is my close girlfriend who i'm going to tell that i'm going a date with this girl to see what she thinks like you you have other motives you're trying to figure out where she stands but the context is it's not awkward to like you know if i was to text Caitlin right now say for me like you know I consider Caitlin a friend um like it would be a little weird for me to text Caitlin like hey I got well I'm I guess I'm engaged but like hey if I was single like hey I'm going on this date what do you think like that would throw her off I think she'd be like why are you asking me so you are oh yeah yeah yeah so I think yeah it was like to till I create a

bridge like yeah there was like just like some friendly banter here and there right so like we're here and there. And then I think it was like that week specifically, there was a little bit more banter, right? It was like picking up a little bit. And so I was like just feeling it out. So it wasn't like a curveball. It wouldn't be the equivalent of you texting. Caitlin on blue, right? Like we're texted a little bit, but kind of friend zone, obviously like single, whatever. And yeah, that's just like it's, that's how it all went down. At this point, did you know that she was single for sure? Yeah. Well, so, yeah. So she announced it, I think she announced it not too long after a podcast.

Like they had the formal post. And someone would have to like check that. But it was like, I think it was late October, early November. And so at this time I feel for sure that she was, that she was single. But like even when like there was like a little flirting like after that point, I could still like obviously she, you know, she just came off this long relationship. Now, they broke up. My understanding is it was they were done well before the act of the date. Oh, yeah.

Right. So, yeah. What was that? Let's, uh, I want to dive into this. If you don't mind sharing a little bit. Um, if so, just, you know, let us know. But what is it like to walk into that scenario? Now, obviously now we see Caitlin and Jason, like, that's who we associate with.

But this is a public breakup. And there's a lot of scrutiny, there's a lot of comments, and there's a lot of opinion, and you're stepping in on the back into that to a relationship that obviously is something that you both want to see work. How is that for you? Yeah, I think that's a good question. I think probably like a little, like, I guess the word, how would I phrase it? I would say, it's just, I think that's a lot.

Like, it was a lot, right? like I'm so excited about meeting this new person and for me I'm such a chapter's close and a new chapter opens and you put the history behind you and move forward and so I was so excited about what was to come but I think I think with that like you then realize you know she just recently you know not too long ago got out of this relationship and You know, they were a loved couple, right? That's another type of people loved them. And so then you're like, oh, no, here comes me. And like early on, yeah, a lot of scrutiny. Like, you know, and you see stuff like, you know, you're falling. Like I'm falling in love with this girl.

And still, like, through that time of falling in love, you're seeing like people be like, well, you know, giving your comments or like trying to compare your relationship versus previous relationship and previous relationships. and like that, you know, it's sometimes could be like disheartening or challenging. But for me, it was like everything, I didn't worry about it. I don't worry about it. That was the past. And it is what it is.

And, you know, without that past, without these weird experiences in life, like we, her and I wouldn't be here. We wouldn't have had the chance to meet. We wouldn't have, you know, had a relationship blossom, right? So, yeah, it's, it's, the crazy thing is like, it seems like, you know, we, we, we, all date and you have you have exes we all have all that exes but it also is tough in the bachelor world because when you have exes from the bachelor world it's always talked about all and you're like when is the chapter closed like how long is it take for chapters a quote like will it ever close well

it you know so it's i think that's one of the tough things about being in the bachelor world is that your history and the relationships are always broad right and then on top of it you're like okay are in love, things are perfect. And then you get these curve balls where they're like, we're going to re-air your whole season so we can bring up anything back to the surface. And for me, I'm such a like, you know, chapter closed. Let's go to the next one. And, you know, but it is what it is. Like, it's the world that we live in and our relationships and our past on the show, especially, are part of who we are and why we are where we are. But you guys handled that re-airing really awesome. Caitlin was on the couch with your mom drinking wine. I thought it was going to be so traumatic,

but like she just made such a joke out of it, which was awesome. Yeah, I didn't know what I even said to Kate. I'm like, hey, like maybe it was my mom's 60th birthday. So I was like, do we have to like, can you watch it before? I know you get to the steps before and then maybe we don't have to like bring it up. I didn't know how like what it would be like. My mom's like, oh, hell no, we're getting a bottle of wine. We're watching it. And then my dad and I were just like drinking beers playing poker downstairs. We'd pop up every little bit. You know, if you're sitting there, and I'm like, oh, there's bet. She's making out with bed. Oh, she's making out with a third. I'm out of here. Well, your mom, Bachelor Superfan, has, you know, her son's

girlfriend be, like, queen of the franchise, Caitlin Bristow. That must be so cool for her. Yeah, she, uh, they had a blast. They had a great time with it. And it, you know, it is what it is and yeah it's just it's part of it's part of who she is and it is what it is it's all good it's a weird world man it's a weird world oh i was even thinking about this the other day you know like becca is Becca is reaching out to be because we're trying to tell us what i'm like here i am surprising the girl i currently love with a girl i didn't love we're all like friends it's awesome it makes no sense it makes no sense but you're just like it is what it is like we're Yeah, we're friends. It's all good. It's part of the best.

Let's backtrack for a second and go back to your first date with Caitlin. The first time that you were like, okay, we're not just friends. Uh-huh. Yeah, oh, yeah, so our first date. Yeah, it was, I was like, again, like, super nervous about it. And I remember the first place we went to, there was, we kept getting, like, we were sitting in a weird place and we kept getting, like, a lot of, like, weird looks and stuff. And I remember one person, like, had their phone out. It was like taking, like, a video.

And I just felt so uncomfortable. So, like, the first 30 minutes of our date did not go well. And it didn't go well because I was just like, hey, I'm like, can we move here? Like, this isn't, it was at a plate. It was in Denver. It was at a Mexican restaurant, like a modern Mexican restaurant in Denver. And I'm sure you would know of it if I remember the name because we were with Brandi and. Ria.

Yes, Rio. That's it. that's it at Rio and boom nailed it and so we left there when we left there we went to like a super chill um Eric loves this place Ben it's like a whiskey bar it's got like wood everywhere super chill Williams and Graham okay he's two for two and there we got to have like really good conversation and then we went to a haul at the moon and we were dancing and singing and we just had the best time and so I was supposed to leave early Sunday to get back to Seattle for work and I actually didn't because I actually didn't because we stayed for the Denver Nuggets game.

So we extended our date and it was awesome. I think we saw each other like the next weekend, the next weekend after that, and the momentum built, and it was great. It was awesome. And now you live together. Fast forward to now, you've been in Nashville together for about a year. Obviously you're in L.A. at this point with Caitlin. and how, you know, how has this chapter been for you living together with your dogs who are

equally as popular as you and Caitlin and beautiful and equally as beautiful? How is the chapter of living together been? The living together chapter has been awesome. It's been everything I can imagine. I think our relationship has grown to such a next level and the dogs are awesome. We just have this amazing little family. It's just such a blessing. Like I love my life.

I love her. I love these dogs. I love everything about it. And I think if you talk about the lesson, I think like in quarantine, there's definitely like some lessons we have, right? I mean, that's like a crash course. And just because we're traveling so much, like even living together, like such great adjustment growing as a couple, but then you're with each other.

It's 24-7. And I think like it was like a roller coaster that started down like the first few weeks was like it was, I think it was tough for us in quarantine. But what was nice is like accelerated life. It was like the conversations we had in that first three weeks of quarantine were probably conversations we would have had over like four months, I guess, if you will, just because of like, you know, you're with each other and everything. And after like the first few weeks, which was kind of tough, our relationship grew in like

such an amazing, amazing level. And so it's been, it's just been so cool. And this new chapter in L.A. has been awesome too very different so it's obviously you know completely like it's just very different in the fact that we have two 50 pound dogs who are young and crazy in this like oh like 800 square foot place and a high rise one of our dogs has figured it out the other one's not potty trains and you see it all over the place and uh and the one thing i'll say about dancing with the stars great show it's awesome i never realized the work that these people get it and it is

physically just exhaust. I mean, I see her feet. She has, she has blisters everywhere. She has her feet are so slow and she's wearing eyes bigger than she normally wears. Like so when she gets home, it's like icing and, you know, let's get, you know, get legs elevated and compressed and all the stuff you're supposed to do. I mean, it's a, it's a physical and mental, like really enduring show. It's tough. It's tough. But she's doing, she's doing so great with it. You've always been her best cheerleader. I love how supportive you. are and how vocal you are about her and your love for her and she calls this chapter uh the dancing with this star stars chapter her last hurrah before she wants to have kids i'm assuming that

you guys uh have to you know uh talked about this perhaps those first couple weeks of quarantine yeah are you involved in this at all we're wondering i've involved in this we're on the same page 100% on the same page um we want two kids we for quarantine we actually have money we have one of our kids names picked out already that's normal I think it's really normal right so yeah we're on the same thing beautiful so that didn't come like that statement doesn't come as a shock to you because I think for us as we read it and we talk about it it's not shocking it's like it's actually really really like we talked about on the podcast like it's really sweet right this is Caitlin Caitlin doing what

loves to do doing what she does well with her teammate by her side and you this feels like the perfect last hurrah but it is still shocking because she's been up to so much and she's been in the in the front of the spotlight for so long are you both how do you both feel about this next chapter knowing that this for her at least is it's kind of her goodbye to the the grind yeah i mean I think that Caitlin, Caitlin says that, but she's so, she's such a motivated person, you know, like she, she just gets up and every day just kicks ass. And so regardless of what it is she's doing, she's going to do it a thousand percent at just a level that's just so strong, right? So not worrying this completely well. But my point is that if that next chapter is, it will be us

having kids like she's just going to be the most badass mother ever knowing her she's just so committed to everything she does and passionate and like knowing her she'll probably like who knows like skies the limit with her everything she manifests comes to fruition which is insane she'll probably like create some crazy like baby toy that people haven't thought about it'll like blow up to be the next big who knows but she just she could say it's her last or she'll she'll never she just her mind and energy just keeps going so whatever that next chapter is shit like everything she'll crush it so i'm excited well you have a chapter that i want to lean into a bit here because uh yes your relationship is amazing and it's in the spotlight and it's something that's been fun to watch

but you've been fun to watch i am a follower of restart uh i i follow the instagram i watch the videos um you know you did go from being an investment banking to switching careers now So for anybody out there listening, tell them what, I mean, you can pitch it better than I can. What are you up to and where do you hope this goes? Yeah. So with restart, right, look at every, all the metrics going on in the country, right? Got $1.6 trillion of student debt. 45 million Americans are buried with student debt.

The ROI, I'm going to college right now as a mass is negative. Consumer and credit card debt has ever been so high. Unemployment, obviously because of the pandemic. eight, nine percent, at 1.20 million Americans were unemployed. Now, even if you scratch that and you do a survey of Americans in their job satisfaction, it's at the lowest levels it's ever been. So the most important things in our life, right, the way we manage our finance, our personal lives, our professional lives, there's a lot of distress.

And whatever, what I call is this blueprint of society that has been instilled on us by previous generations, which in my opinion is really just sparked from large corporations, putting a mold in place for us to adhere to because it benefits their greater good, it doesn't work, right? We have found that obviously there's areas that it works, but this blueprint is not successful for most people. And so the idea with restart is whether it's financially, personally, or professionally, looking to restart what you're doing,

how you're doing it, the approach to doing it, that's a place that we have created this Instagram page. And the idea behind it is we're doing a few things. We have a weekly newsletter that comes out every Monday. And so that is called the shit you need to know. There's so much bias in media these days that this is just unbiased, all the high-level things for people that don't get into the weeds and news, but they should know going into the week.

So we have a weekly newsletter. We have interviews with prominent individuals who achieved a ton of success, but people like Dana White, Barbara Corcoran, Damon John, Ryan Sirhan, Chef Am Burrell, Sean Johnson, Bella Twins, we've had a great group of people. I'm not focused on where they are now. I'm focused on how they got there. And the lessons that you can learn at the changes that these people experience within like their 18 to like 30 year old time frame.

And the way that they pivoted and used change is an opportunity to achieve where they are today, it's incredible. And so let's learn from these people. So we're doing these restart real talks. And then I just signed a book deal with Harper Collins. One book is going to be all about restarting from hiring to firing your career. The other one's all about personal finance, so I'm writing that. And we just have a lot of exciting stuff.

And it's all the lessons that every individual needs to know that's just not taught in a textbook. It's not taught in the classroom. How long has this been going on? So I literally started this in March. So what sparked it is right, pandemic. It's an absolute disaster. This S&P 500 and the Dow Jones watching the market every day is plummeting. It's on the headline of everything.

And so I just put a poll out there to people. I said, be honest with me. Like if I asked you to describe the S&P 500, the Dow Jones in three sentences, could you do it? And I think I forgot the statistic, but around 250,000 people answered it. And it was like 92% of the people said they couldn't do it. And I'm like, okay, we got to bridge this gap. And then what I started learning is I'm getting all these messages. How do I ask for a raise?

If I want to leave my job, is my resume in the right shape? What does my LinkedIn profile look like? You know, cost of living adjustments? All these things started like coming in nonstop. And I'm like, we've got to create something. And so I built a team and we've created restart and it's been, it's been awesome. Yeah. And there's a lot of, we're about to create a launch of membership right now, which is exciting.

And then also in the midst of talking about a potential podcast here. So it's, it's been great. It's been great. It's an impactful, which is, which is really cool. And the other thing, then I'll stop because I get excited about it. As you can tell. That it's within the realm of like what I know. You know, I've done, I've been in finance since my grandfather taught me to invest

when I was, you know, in my teens. And so it's, it's, it's, the bachelor gave me this cool platform, but I'm still using my MBA and my work experience to try and do things within my realm. That's just very, to me, seems impactful. So it's been, it's been really rewarding. So you're definitely not sitting around the house board. While Caitlin is at rehearsal, you're doing all this. Yeah.

So restarts one of them. I invest in businesses. Like there's a, a company that I have invested in called Evoke and there, we have Musilie and we're in 1,300 Kroger stores. So I do a lot of investing in businesses on the private side that you might not see on Instagram. I do some real estate investing in lending. The restart thing is on Instagram. I live it every day through that. So those are things you see. But yeah, I love any and all areas of business and trying to get involved in many capacities that they can. I also love the way that restart and everything that you talk about

finance-wise on your social media is able to be digested by some who it does not have any sort of expertise in the field like I know what you're talking about but normally I wouldn't know what like my accountant was talking about exactly and I think a lot of people just in today's world they try and use like their education or skill set is a means of like almost like condescending behavior or a way to lever up and for me it's like what good is that let's just break this down in the way that's digestible people have their expertise in so many different areas And if it's not finance or career navigation, which are two critical things in everyone's life, let's break it down to you understand it, right?

So simple things like S&P 500, 500 big companies, right? They give us an idea of what the whole market looks like. So let's break it down. It's kind of like when you go to the doctor or the hospital and they take your vitals. They got to know a baseline of what's going on. So they'll get your blood pressure, right, your temperature, stuff like that. That's what the S&P 500 is. It just gives us a baseline of what's happening overall in the market.

And when you break it down to things that are understandable, people are like, oh, it's not that hard. I get it. It's not rocket science. You're made for this, man. You're made for this. This feels like something that you're passionate about, obviously, but then it fits, right? It's fun to see the, the bachelorette to all of the things that have happened in between there lead up to this moment where you have a platform. You can talk about something you care about.

and share it with the world and break it down so it's helpful to the world as well and you're not just showing off because you know more yeah and that was a tip i remember ben you gave me right when i got off the show i talked to you one of the things you said is let this platform let this experience not change who you are not change your life but let it i think the word was you said enhance your life or let it enhance what you're doing and i think that to me that's exactly right i've not running off to go try to be an actor i'm just doing letting this experience trying to enhance my life and what I'm trying to do. So where can people follow you at when it comes to restart?

What are ways that the listeners can get involved and where the newsletter is you sign up through Instagram? Yeah. So if you go to restart underscore reset, that's our Instagram. Then we also have YouTube restart with Jason Tardick. And there you can sign up for the newsletter. Just put first name, last name, email. And it comes every Monday morning.

And then via the newsletter, when we, We have affiliations and the membership and some of our cool announcements that are coming up. They'll all be through that afternoon. I have one request for you. Yes, let's hear it. Can you do a video on options trading? Absolutely, we can. Please, thank you.

I appreciate that. I'm trying to figure out how to trade some options and I could use Jason as my teacher. Let's do it. All right, buddy. You're the man. Hey, Jason, thank you for joining us. We're going to take one last break. And when we come back with you, we're going to let Ashley shine in her, like this is where

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to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivots now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's time for Rapid Fire with me and Jason. Jason, Jason, Jason, what is your favorite Spades and Sparrow's Wine? Oh, the Pino Noir. It just came out. It's incredible. Unbelievable. For those of you guys who don't know, Spades and Sparros is Caitlin's Wine Line.

What is a musical that you would want to have a roll in most? Hamilton, every day of the week. And I want to sing George. We know you've been singing it on your Instagram, but you know. You like musicals in general, right? Your brother's really into them. Yeah, so he's part owner of a marketing company and they do all the advertising for the big shows. And so, yeah, it's been fun to go see.

But they're hurting right now. Broadway and New York City are hurting in a big way. So hopefully they rebound it and make a big comeback. Yeah. The dancer on Dancing with the Stars, you'd be most threatened by if they were partnered with Caitlin. Such a good question. I mean, in all honesty, I'm just going to be real.

It's got to be Glenn. I mean, Glep is an absolute stud. I've gotten messages like, watch out for Glemy. He looks like you. I mean, I'm not saying I'm a stunt. I'm just saying people are excited. And then the other thing is I met him. I had dinner with him the other night.

And he's got a great personality. Super, super nice, charismatic, funny guy. And also very threatening. Keio, that guy can move. He's got this unbelievable accent. The beauty of a man, those are, those are two studs right there. What is your favorite part about upstate New York? The people.

Yeah, it's not, you know, it's not the most thriving, you know, area in the world, but the people are just so great. There's no, no substitute to good neighbors, and upstate New York's got them. What's your favorite food? Favorite food. It's a boring answer, but being from. Buffalo. I'm obsessed with chicken wings. So every city I go to, I'm always, for some reason, people can't cook chicken wings. I don't get why. But I'll always like, if I go to a different

city, got to try their chicken wings. So are you a ranch or a blue cheese dipper? The easiest question ever. It's blue cheese every day of the week for wings. You want to put ranch on other stuff. I get it. Like maybe your pizza, that's fine, but it's blue cheese. He's a traditionalist. Your favorite Bill's Mafia story you've experienced, like your favorite Bill's Mafia moment. Here's my favorite Bill's story, and it relates to a guy from The Bachelor. So I get Dean to, we get Monday night tickets when they're playing the Patriots, Bill's versus Patriots, and we get access to the owner's suite, right?

So it's Monday Night Football, and we get access to the owner of the Buffalo Bills. Like, this is a dream come true. Well, I invite Dean, and I invite Blake, but I tell them, like, guys, it's like, it's all business in there. They own the team. like this is this is work so you're going to get drunk and have fun go get drunk and have fun but you tighten it up once we get in there well they got drunk and they had fun and all i'll never forget this image of like dean and blake jumping in the crowd of like 100 people screaming hey hey like drinking

beer like fully in it so then we get out of there we go we're on our way i'm like all right boys tighten it my parents are with us too we're like let's go get it together well we walk it and i explain to him like this is the owner you know go say thank you you got lock it and the first thing dean does he goes right up to the owner of the buffalo bills and she's wearing a blue and blue kind of like this a little lighter sweater that's one of the bills colors and he says oh it's so nice to see you i love i love your la dodgers blue color sweater you have on for the bills like you like who is this guy oh and then you know what happened somehow Kevin got it.

Kevin from the bachelor. I mean, this is like Bachelor Avenue here. He got it. He's a huge Patriots fan. So we get a Patriots jersey. You don't go into an owner's suite with the other team. You don't, right?

You don't go into Coca-Cola headquarters rocking. It's a no-no. And so at that point, like, she's so sweet the owner. She wouldn't ever make a big deal about it. But one of the security people is like, what are you doing? Everyone got kicked out. And that was that. L.A. Dodgers blew.

in the freaking Patriots jersey So she did not think that Patriots the powder blue was a funny little chirp Yeah, that's no It's wrong diving wrong timing The only person who doesn't give in to Dean's baby blues in that smile, right? That's true. I mean, Dean is very charismatic charming man

But he can pull this one off Don't bring Dean to any nice party I once went to a party with Dean with the owner of iHeart and it was like the really vibey setting they had the lights off and it was like kind of like candlelit it was really nice party dean walked in and turned on all the lights to the whole party like literally flipped the flip the light switches on everybody i mean there's probably a hundred people in there like just don't do it not a good idea that's what dean is the best like such a fun great guy right but maybe just pick and choose the

parties you invite up to great freaking guy though love oh the best two more questions what's the question you get asked most often on Instagram? Number one question is where should I invest my money? The number one answer to that is let's first talk about your debt. The amount of people I see are so worried about trying to find the next investment, you look at their debt profile, whether it's student debt, credit card debt, mortgage debt. And usually what I've seen so far is there's a monster amount of debt. And the idea here is first pay down your debt, especially credit card debt where people are getting charged 20%. It's unlikely you'll make 20% in an investment. And if you do, good for you, that's a great investment.

So pay down your expensive debt first, then start worrying about investing. People are contraryly believe let's invest first, even though when they're strapped and buried with that. Fantastic answer. What is one thing about Caitlin that over the past year living with her, you've been like, I, you do this and I just don't get it. Like, I don't understand why or when you do this. Let's see. she has this weird thing about chew it. It's like, it's a miso, me so, I have that too. Like I just, yeah, when somebody, when Jared's chewing next to me, I'm like, okay, you're still

attracted to him. You're still, like, you just have to like remember that that's the person you love. I'll literally be chewing. She'll give me this look. I'm like, yeah. My mouth is closed. I'm freaking eating. I'm a human. We have to eat. And so, like, I couldn't get over for sensitivity to, like, misophonia and I'm like oh my god but yeah that's good that's one all right i get it i get it jason you're out of the hot seat uh rapid fire is over this is the end of the podcast and we like to throw it to our guest and so here for the next minute 30 seconds three minutes whatever you need we have listeners out there who are going to be super engaged to your story um and fans of you personally what do you want to say to them this is your time your platform your moments

say whatever you want to close this thing out. Wow, there's so many directions I can go here. So what I'll say is I think just in general and in life, like there are so many things out there that can trigger insecurities or make people have doubt. And there are so many people that are fearful when someone succeeds. And there are so many people that are going to tell you your idea. ideas don't make sense. It won't work out. That's a chance you're going to regret. Most people don't want to see others succeed. And what I would challenge anyone out there is to live the life that you always imagines instead of living the life that others are leading for you. A good friend of mine is a motivational speaker, Ben Nempton, and he did a case study. And it was through, it was through a prestigious college. And 76% of people on their deathbed, I think is the number. 76.

regret not what they did over their life but what they didn't do so i think spread happiness be kind to others and don't worry about people judging you be yourself go live the dream you imagine and if you feel like you're leading a life it's time to to make a change and change is not a bad thing change is a good thing without change we wouldn't progress the way we've progressed we've come a long way we have a long way to go but all i would say is like break the traditional blueprint of thinking and just lead lead the life you always imagine you literally get one and it's so precious that's what i want jason tardick you're the man thanks for coming on it's been it's been a blast it's good to to get to talk to you again your story is awesome keep up the good work once again

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