The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous In Depth: Kaitlyn Bristowe

Episode Date: May 21, 2019

Ashley I goes In Depth with Katilyn Bristowe, for a candid and intimate conversation.  Kaitlyn's story includes living through her break-up with Shawn Booth and her current relationship with Jason Tartick. She opens up about when she felt things with Shawn starting to break down. She reveals why she started dating Jason after saying she’d never be involved with another member of Bachelor Nation. Plus we hear some inside stories from her experience on The Bachelorette.  You’ll never believe who she reached out to after she accidentally spoiled her season finale on social media. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You guys, Ben's not here for this in depth. Which, no offense to Ben, may be a good thing because it's just going to be some straight girl talk with me. And his ex-girlfriend. And his ex-girlfriend. If you couldn't tell by that laugh, we have Caitlin Bristow in the studio right now. Yay!

I love when people clap. It's like, yay, yay, for me. Caitlin, I feel really special that you agreed to come on Almost Famous because we are pretty much direct rivals. well I would always have you on my podcast well right because I come on yours you come on mine we're rivals but we are also great friends and I love you yes all right and I love you too and every podcast I do with you it's just it's it's it's girl talk and it's the stuff that I think our listeners want to hear yeah we're giving the people what they want yeah so I have like a list of my own of things that we need to bring up okay that the public has never heard us talk about oh I love it yeah that's really fun yes but I also have have some general questions. I think I'm going to start with. Okay. All right. So let's start out with some of the questions that the public wants to know the answers to. Okay. Okay. You and Jason seem

like you're in a really good place right now. When are you going to get engaged? December 2. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, we are in a good place, but who isn't a good place like three months into a relationship? Well, that's true. So would you say it's three months now? Three like solidified months. I feel like December was when it was like, okay, we don't want to like to be talking to anyone else. Okay.

So that's, oh, I guess, whoa, that's a long time. Yeah, I know. It's like six months almost. Wait, that's half a year. Yeah, we are in a good place. Yeah, you are. So I think that it's six months. It comes to this place

in a relationship where you start getting really comfortable with each other. Yeah. You start getting comfortable calling them out on certain things. Yes. I was already like that day too, though. Oh, really? Okay. So being a little bit more gross in front of them?

Gross, definitely. What are we seeing happening at this transition point for you guys? Jason's going to kill me, but he started tooting in front of me, and I think that's so hot. I do. Wait, why do you think that's hot? Not that, I understand. My reason is because I think it says a lot about their confidence. Oh, I was going to say comfort level with you.

And comfort level. Yeah, like they're confident and comfortable to do that in front of me and know that I'm still going to look at them the same way. All right, so Jared has only farted in front of me twice. What? I know in a year and a half, almost a, you know, a year and some. What about when he has to go to the bathroom? Does he like talk about it?

Or does he say, like, don't go in there after? I like to say, I like to say don't go in there after. Oh, I like push Jason in. Really? Oh, I've always been like that, though. Any relationship, I'm like, maha, dare you to go in there. We recently had a conversation on this podcast with Vanessa Grimaldi. Yeah.

Do you hear about this? No. But she talked about poop a lot on my Yeah, she's apparently really obsessed with pooping in relationship. Right. So she doesn't mind pooping in front of her significant other.

In front of them. Yeah, like she actually said that one, she doesn't mind them seeing her do that. But the other part of it is that she actually just wants to talk to them 24-7 and if she's having a conversation and needs to continue that while she has to go, she has them in.

and I think that would be a huge turnoff. Well, okay, it's one thing to go to the bathroom in front of someone, but like what's, it's not like you think your shit don't stink, but it does. It stinks like shit. It's so bad. Yeah, but yeah, it's the smell that would concern me. Me too, but also isn't it just the fact that like something is coming out of your butt?

Yeah, like could you ever, I can't even chew gum when I'm going to the bathroom. Oh, no. No. No, like I don't like even being around my own stuff. Like I flush it right away. Yeah, me too. Okay. Yeah.

That's the trick. yeah you flesh it right away in matches do you remember during our season there was somebody yes yeah who would openly go to the bathroom i'll stop being so graphic yeah um i was about to go take it a step further but i won't okay she would do it when somebody was next to her brushing their teeth now that would make me i think throw up like i can feel myself almost wanting to drive you just thinking about it yeah that i remember that situation and and she wouldn't even give you warning either she was just like she just did it Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, moving on. So you think that farting is attractive. Yeah.

In Jason. And what else are we, like, feeling? Like, what's like a little nitpicky fight you've had? Because I think that I've always brought up the fact that Jared and I, like, fight over the fact that he lose his chapsic somewhere dumb. Or, like, his chapsic? His chapsic. Oh, chapsticks. I was like, do you guys eat sushi often?

Okay. No. Chapsic. Yeah. Jason does this weird, um, sniff snort like when he's like all fired up about a conversation about like work or something he goes like with his nose really it drives me nuts also he you call him out on it oh all the time i'm like he did the nose thing and how did you first bring it up i said do you want me to tell you

when something annoys me or would you rather me keep it to myself and he's like no i always i'm he you know him he's just he can take any kind of criticism he's the least offensive person and he goes no i just want to be better in every way always and i was like okay you do the snort sniff and it's like when you're all like he doesn't when he's eating or when he's fired up about like business talk he goes like yeah okay so it's like his inner animal but I also haven't lived with him so I don't know other little nitpicky things like I've stayed I think the longest we've spent together is five days okay and I can't really think like like he snores so that's you know that's annoying but I think it's just we're not at that point yeah where I can't like we're not like at the married couple phase where things are really annoying me. like everything he does right now is pretty cute yeah yeah like even the sniff snored i'm kind of like like when he doesn't do it i'm like it just it kind of sounds a little cute yeah it's like his thing okay yeah okay so we're pretty just we're just a happy couple right now do you think that it's moving too fast do you think that it happened too fast after a relationship out of friendship

and out of per request i'm not going to bring up Sean's name very often and we're not going to get in depth with Sean okay right his name may pop up here or there Of course. Yeah. Naturally. But do you think it was too fast or do you think it was the perfect thing you needed in your life and soul? Well, the thing is from the outside, it probably looked fast and it was fast. I'm not going to deny that.

But I think I've said this before and I'll stand by it that I think I knew for a year that my relationship wouldn't work. And I think I knew that he just couldn't give me the kind of love that I needed in my life. and he admitted that and I think for a solid year maybe half a year I was already grieving the relationship and I think I was just

so prepared for it that when it happened I knew what I wanted and I knew what I deserved and I knew that I was happy on my own and that I wasn't just replacing somebody right so it can seem fast but to me it was perfect timing

because I just knew what I wanted and I just didn't see it happening I didn't say I was like there's no way I'm going to meet somebody that quick that could make me that happy. And so it was just, it was weird timing, but I don't think it was, it wasn't too fast for me. And that is kind of what I

said to Sean on this podcast. I said, I think that she was grieving long before. And he knew that. And that's, that's, that's what I will say about about that podcast is that I don't feel like there was any accountability. And I, I was just a little bit disappointed because I'm like, well, if I would have known that

that would have been like, this is news to me that you felt that way because from what I knew, you didn't want to be with me. So I'm confused now. Yeah. We've talked about how there will be parts of the story that people will leave out. And you and I struggle between wanting to tell the story publicly

or wanting to be the bigger person because some people will be like, oh, my goodness. Well, now I totally see her side. And then some other people will be. be like, that's so petty. She's just responding in a way. I know. Right?

So for us, it's just so hard to keep it back. But I think you and I have kept a lot of things back in the past year or so that like, we would love to tell everyone. Absolutely. But we know at the end of the day, we're going to be the bigger people for not. Exactly. Because also at the end of the day, why would, why does it have to matter what other people think? Like, I know the truth.

I know Sean knows the truth. And that's all at the end of the day that matters to me. And that's the same thing with the relationship with Jason. It's like, if I don't show it, I'm hiding it. If I show it, it's too soon. Like, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't in this world. And if you have any sort of platform or on social media or people watching you, you can eat an apple and you're doing something wrong.

It just doesn't matter. So at the end of the day, I just always remind myself that we both know the truth. And that's all. Mm-hmm. Yeah. On the Bachelor at Reunion Show, you talk about never expecting to date another Bachelor family member. Yes. after Sean and then Jason just fell into your lap.

Yeah, well, I think what happened was Sean and I had a very difficult time on the show and I think that was really hard on our relationship and I think I was a little bit jaded by Bachelor relationships because of that and so I just figured, you know, I'm just going to move past that and I won't date anyone from the Bachelor franchise

and I'm, you know, I thought I'd be single for like five years. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like, because I knew I was okay with that. Okay. And so when I met Jason and we did a podcast, I was still like so heartbroken. And it was kind of just like, I was like, oh, whoever dates, that guy is so lucky. And I was really like rooting for him to be The Bachelor. And then we just kind of became friends through that because, yeah, I just, I didn't.

It was like my, my heart knew that there was something there. And there was some reason I was rooting for his happiness and I cared about him. But I didn't ever see it as anything of what it was, what it turned into. Did you feel like this when you were just watching Beck? a season? No. When you met him? It was, yeah, yeah. On the Bachelorette, I was rooting, he was my favorite on her season, but not at first. He, like, grew on me. I think he did for everybody. Yeah. And by the end of it, I just really, I think I just really wanted him to be the Bachelor. So I wasn't watching him, I wasn't like, oh, I'm so attracted to that guy. And I would love to talk to him, like, nothing like

that. It was when I met him in person, I was like, God, he's just such a good person and he is such good energy and we have such good banter back and forth and I think like I thought we were going to be friends I'm like I could see him as like a buddy really yeah because you were still very hung up on the idea that the Sean thing could work itself out yes I always believed that it would work out yeah yeah I always thought I'm like there's no way there's that's that's just I'll fight for this we're engaged yeah isn't it kind of crazy to think that that he could have been on paradise last season but then yeah I think Jason didn't go on paradise because Because, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but he probably didn't go on Paradise because he thought that his chance of being the Bachelor would have been higher if he didn't.

Yes. And then look at that. Houghton, the one guy of the three in contention. Yeah. Became the Bachelor after going on Paradise. So how do you think your story would be changed possibly if he ended up on Paradise last June? Well, I'd probably still be single. I'd probably still be saying I'm not going to date anyone from the Bachelor franchise.

I wonder if it would have changed your perception of him at all. I'd probably be with Nick. Well, now that you bring it up, is it going to be weird to be in the same room as Nick at our wedding? No. And I'll tell you why. I called him the other day. No way. Yeah.

What? Tell me more. So I think Nick and I have always just had this weird, unspoken, like, tension? Yes. Yeah, whether sexual or otherwise. I don't think it's sexual Yeah, I don't know it was sexual anymore either It was also like

Like a little bit of anger towards each other I think you know I never really got to explain to him About sending him home It was he was definitely blindsided I think because that situation And because of the show it weighed so heavy on Sean It became a problem in our relationship for so long That I became bitter at the situation

And when the truth is that Nick never did anything wrong to me But I was bitter at him because Sean was so bitter because it affected our relationship. All makes sense. I was trying to protect my relationship with Sean. So people are always like, why are you all mean to Nick? And I'm like, God, I don't want to be. It's just I'm protecting my relationship,

which that's clearly been an issue since the start that he admitted. And so I was always just had this weird thing with Nick where it was we didn't talk about it. And then his feelings were hurt because I would take these small jabs. So then he would take these little jabs back. And so on the reunion, I had said something on social media, like they were doing a word association game and he was like they were like or no they said right reasons and I said not Nick

oh how they presented the tease the show I'm clearly joking yeah and the show pokes fun at him we poke fun at him he pokes fun at himself and so I don't see it as like a jab but he took it as one which I understand and he wrote under the caption like tells me to come on the show doesn't pick me

still making jokes at my expense same old same old and then did like an eye roll and I was like you know what we just need to talk. And so I talked to Jason about it. And I was like, do you think I could just call him and like we can just finally have an adult conversation? And he was like, yeah, I think you should. Okay. And so I called Nick. I was like, hey, do you still have the same number? Because I still have it. And he was like, yes. And so I called him. And we just had like a really nice adult conversation about like, he's like, look, did I do anything wrong? Why do you keep jabbing? And then I

explained it. And he was like, I get that. He goes, but can't you get a new joke? And I was like, I was like, that's very fair. Like, yeah, I will get a new joke. Now that you're with a new man, you can get a new joke. Yeah, I'll get a new joke now. Okay. Yeah, we had a nice guy. So, no, it won't be weird. I think it'll be great.

Oh, that's so great. Man, I didn't hear from either of you about this conversation. I think I might be seeing Nick tonight, so I'm sure he's going to bring it up. Yeah, just happened. That's so interesting. Well, we obviously, you know, we tried not to, we didn't want exes at the way. Our plan was that we didn't want exes. I get that.

So, like, we had to, we chose you over Sean, obviously, because you and I are far closer than Jared is with Sean. Of course. but then within Vanessa there was you know Jared works with her but we definitely didn't want to put Nick in an uncomfortable situation and it's not as if they told us don't invite so and so it's not like you said don't invite Sean it's just that we were just doing that on our own we wanted our friends to have the most fun that they could have that day but the lingering thought was even though we prevented this we can't prevent Nick and Caitlin being in the same room together so how's that going to work yeah that's totally fine and at the like this is your guys's day. Don't worry about who you invite or don't invite or who's upset. This is your guys' day. So you just keep that in your bed. Well, I'm glad that you and Nick are friendly now.

Yeah, we're fine. You did talk to Becca before dating Jason. Yes. And you ask kind of for permission. Yeah. But she's engaged. Like I understand, I think it was courteous and really kind of you to do that. But was it necessary for somebody who's engaged?

No, it wasn't necessarily asking for permission. It was more like, hey, I just want to like tell you before it just comes out in the media or like something is like that. Because I mean, she really cared about him and I know that she's happily engaged in that. I knew it wouldn't matter. I knew she wouldn't be upset. I knew she wouldn't say, no, please don't. Yeah. It was just more of like a girl code like I'm just going to let her know just so that she isn't surprised by it.

Yeah. That was very nice. Yeah. And she was like blessings all around. She was like, can we double date? And I was like, abs the freaking looting. Speaking about very, like, speaking of phone calls that happened within Bachelor Nation

that are just so weird. I thought that we would bring up that one time. Roll the clip. Yeah. That I called you in Bachelor in Paradise my first season, so Bachelor in Paradise 2. Yeah. And I literally called you after Jared dumped me for the first time

saying like this isn't going to, I don't see a future here. Yeah, yeah. And I got on the phone with Caitlin. and I said, what did you do to him? Like, I was just sobbing, and you were in Chicago with Whitney and Becca. Yeah. And it was the most immature thing of me to do, just absolutely hysterical.

I think it was, like, hysterical. You know, like, I was in such a highly emotional state. Yeah. I didn't know what to do with myself. Yeah. And I didn't want to blame myself, so I, like, in some way blamed you. Well, I was also blaming Jared for being hung up on you still. I don't think he blamed me.

No? Yeah, I think it was funny. No, it was funny. Like, you were cry laughing as you do. And you were more like, like, what did you do to him? Ha, ha, ha. Like, you didn't know what you were feeling. And I don't, I didn't take it as you were blaming me.

I think you're just genuinely asking. Yeah, I truly. Okay, well, actually, I wasn't blaming you. Yeah. Yeah, let's backtrack here. I wasn't blaming you. What I wanted to know was what it was about you that had gotten his attention and affection and what I didn't have.

It don't ever blame yourself. And isn't it just crazy the way it works out? It's, it's the most beautiful thing. in the world. Like, I always say that. That's what I said to Becca. I said, it's a beautiful, weird little world we live in. Like, it's just, you just connect with people on a level that nobody else can relate to and you, I don't know how to explain it. It's, it's really beautiful, though. It really, it really is. We are so open and honest with each other in a way that I don't know that other groups of friends. Yeah, like, oh, yeah, he was my ex and you know, like, oh, yeah,

he was my ex and you had to ask me what I did to him and what was it about me. But now you guys are together and I'm dating Becca's ex. And, you know, it's, it's just weird. It didn't just end at that phone call either. I spent like six weeks just texting you about like what it was and like how he behaved with you and how I could get there. I was so ridiculous. But the truth is he was in a better mind space going into your season and then when he realized basically, because he had only had one serious relationship and the reason that his best friend signed him up for the show was because his ex who like they were still like a little bit too friendly to like say that it was really over was messing with him a bit. Emotional.

And she was like, nope, this is, this is BS, I'm going to sign him up for the show. And then when he met you, I've thanked you for this before, like on stage in Boston. But you really opened his eyes up to a new, different kind of woman, more outspoken, like, just funnier, just more out there. And some guys don't know what they've got until it's gone, you know? Yeah. And then he was like, oh man, I never thought I could feel that way again that I felt it with Caitlin. And then they shoved them into that situation. And they're like, and then he was just like, no, I don't, I don't work like this.

Well, you are a little jaded coming out of a show like that and then going to get into another relationship. Like when you just, you start overthinking and you don't know what's real and what, you know. And I think to for Jared, like, my favorite thing about you guys is that you never changed who you were for him. You wanted to, but you didn't. That's, that's true. Yeah. I couldn't become you, even though I do always say if there was somebody whose personality I can switch with, I would choose Caitlin.

Nuh. Yeah. I've not told you that before? No. Well, there you go. I'm just going to take that clip and I'm going to put it as my ringtone or like my alarm for when I wake up and just remind myself that you want my personality. Oh, yeah.

Totally. And I wanted your personality truly since the first day I met you. When we were first in the Bachelor Mansion, we were in the first group of 15. because in our weird season, there was, like, three limos. There was 30, and then there was 15 that came in. Then Chris, like, took a break, talked to us. It was just 15. And then they brought 15 in, but I was watching you the whole night.

It was you and Britt. And I was like, when it comes to, like, outwork. Of course, it was me and Britt. I know. Isn't that crazy? Isn't it crazy that the first night I was most intimidated by you and your co-bachelorette? Yeah. I was like, between the, there.

beauty and their personalities because there was something about you, too, that both lived up the room. And your confidence was just like, wow. Yeah, I could never act that way with a guy that I thought was hot right away. Oh, man, I thought I was the tits on that show. Like, I really did. Yeah. I really did. Well, you really came in with that. You know, you were like, oh, no, I got this from your entrance, which I later saw, to just how you behaved with him that first day. You were so out going when everybody else was so nervous. Yeah. I don't know what I mean it might have been the tequila but I also just I don't know why I just felt comfortable in that situation. I still to this day don't know why it's just like it didn't phase me and I don't know what that was from. Well I can relate because I think

the day that I had casting weekend for Chris's season I went through the whole process of meeting with the bad producers to background checks and health people and then just having the producers like come and visit and all that stuff I got my on the phone with my mom that day and I was like I'm doing it because I wasn't really sure yeah there was stuff was going well with a guy that I really liked and I really wanted it to go well for a very long time and it was all finally happening and I really was like I'm not sure if I want to do it but after going through just the casting day I thought I feel like I belong and I call my mom and I was like I belong here that's what I felt too I felt like I was supposed to be doing that yeah I don't yeah yeah

Yeah, it is cool. Well, look, I mean, like, maybe we had that feeling because we both ended up finding our person through that. That's another weird. Like, I believe so much in universe stuff. And I was, what's crazy is I was reading a book when I was going through the hard time. And I read this book called Light is the New Black. And it's this book about paying attention to signs from the universe. And when I met Jason, all these weird signs kept happening.

Like, your mind would be blown if I told you that. Give me a couple of examples. Okay, so after the podcast, I sent him a picture of us to post. And let's clarify, you were broken up with Sean at this point, just hadn't gone public with that news. Correct. And so I sent him a picture to say, here's a picture in case you want to post. Then I was watching the Lion King on my flight home. And he was watching the Lion King on his Instagram stories.

And I didn't know. We both didn't know. And then we found it. We're like, that's so weird that we're watching. He was watching The Lion King on his Instagram stories. Like he, like, posted something like, I'm watching The Lion King. Like, really? Yeah.

At the same time. And we didn't know. And then I figured, I was like, that's weird. And then he goes, you actually kind of remind me of Nala. And he, like, because when I met him, my hair was all messy and wild. And I was just like, you know how I am. I'm like, blah, like big personality. And so he said I reminded him of Nala.

And then, so that was weird. And then I got home. But I can see. You're very pouncy like Nala. I'm very pouncy. Yeah. Very pouncy. And so then I went to get into an Uber and the Uber driver stopped at a crosswalk and a dog was crossing the street.

And he started talking to me. He goes, I'm really sorry for picking you up a little bit late. But I took a wrong turn. He goes, and I passed the car of my dreams. And I just believe in signs from the universe. And he's like, and I think I was supposed to pass that car because it just reminded me of what I'm working hard towards. And he was like, you can't ignore the universe. universe and I was like no way yeah and then I was like oh my gosh I just read a book on this that's so

crazy and he stopped at the crosswalk and a dog passed and he goes I used to be so terrified of dogs he goes but my wife made me get one now I love dogs I'm like don't get me started I love dogs I said what's your dog's name and he said nala no way yeah right after you talked about like signs from the universe and like it was and then it just didn't stop there's so many signs and that I wasn't even still thinking at that moment oh I'm supposed to be with jason I was just like whoa okay I'm just paying attention to like certain things now like not thinking

oh I'm supposed to be with Jason like but I do believe in certain things like that like things happening for a reason and that you know you went on Chris Sol's season to you know like everything that's happened has led you to where you are now and same thing I know

there was this really cool time one time I was on the bus from New York City to Syracuse and I was worried about everything And I was looking at the window Just daydreaming Like kind of trying to picture what I wanted Because I used to

Before like my dreams actually became reality I used to just dream all the time I'm totally a fan of the power of positive thinking Because there's really not anything I've dreamed up that didn't happen Which is pretty crazy So then there's this man who looked like Santa Claus Who like was who I call my Morgan Freeman

in like uh what what's the movie bruce almighty yeah yes he tapped me on the shoulder because he was looking at my reflection looking out the window yeah and he goes i don't know what you're thinking about right now but i just want to let you know that everything's gonna work out what yeah you're like morgan and i was like what and i that that will stay with me forever he's like kids of your generation are always worrying about their future but like just trust me he knew i know he was your little Santa Claus. I know. You're very awesome.

That is crazy. My Santa Claus, oh, my God. I, one of the two. I found a picture. One of my girlfriends sent me from 10 years ago where I was writing out my goals in what I wanted in life. And I had written out that I wanted to be on TV and have my own radio show. And I'm like, well, podcasting is kind of.

And I went on TV. And like, I also had to build my own empire and have my own businesses. Like I was, look at what you did. I know. So you are pretty outward about the fact you just wanted to be on TV. And I got my master's in broadcasting. Yeah. I want to be on TV.

Like, sue us. Yeah, right? So is it annoying when people are like, I like the fact that we admit to going on the show for not necessarily the fame of it, but like the experience. Yeah, opportunity. Yeah, the opportunity. And the fact that it could help us reach our goals.

Yeah, of course. Right? I've always been open about that. So I never, for lack of a better term, shit on anybody who seems to be there for the wrong reasons. Yeah. How do you feel about people when they call out the wrong reasons on the show? I go back and forth because sometimes like this season on, on Colton season, I was like,

oh my gosh, these girls are like. Is it bad? Did I think that there's a difference between social media, going on for social media versus going on to like build a brand? Build a career. Yeah. Yeah. I saw it as like, like I'm like, was everybody just trying to be that girl on TV?

they like they they kind of have no shame in their game where they just kind of went on and they're like I don't care if I'm the idiot girl like it'll get me Instagram followers where I when I went on I mean we didn't know the power of social media when we went on we didn't have it we were like the first the last pure generation yes it really was and so I I mean I knew I wanted to build some sort of brand I knew I wanted to have more opportunities I knew I wanted to have some sort of platform but I didn't know what it could be where now girls go on and they know what it could be but I still respect that. Like, I'm like, hey, if you want to just go and be crazy and get Instagram followers and, like, sell whatever you can for a hot minute. Like, do it. I can't hate them for wanting to make money. No, you really can't. So I'm like, but it's kind of, to me, it's kind of ruining the show where I'm just like, I don't know if I believe anybody for going on. Well, I guess that brings us to the topic of Cassie. Like, she obviously wasn't ready to get engaged or maybe even being a serious relationship because Colton was even at the end.

She was like, we don't have to get engaged. right so if it gets to the point where so many people are going on the show and they're not even ready then i think it's becoming an issue i think yeah for me personally i said i'm going on for my career however if i meet the man of my dreams bonus bonus and if crystal's is my soulmate i wouldn't have a problem moving to iowa for the love of my life i was the same thing i'm like i if anybody really knows me they know i'm actually like a little bit of of a home body. I like being out and like in a silent quiet place with land. Like that's what I want. I could live in a shoebox if I was happy. Like I don't need, you know, like I totally believe in that same thing. If you're with the right person, it doesn't matter. Right. I was the same. People are always like, I remember Jimmy Kimmel being like, there's no way you would have wanted to live on a farm. I'm like, yeah, I really would have. I mean, I would have been fine if he was the love of my life. Yeah, same. I will always put love and family above career. Absolutely. Yeah. Me too. So in

And at the end of the day, we were not there for the wrong reasons. No, no. We were there for realistic reasons. Realistic. Very realistic. And we still believed in love. Exactly. Yeah.

I felt the same way. I was like, if I fall in love out of this, wow, what a bonus. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Speaking of career, Jason is still working his regular job. So hot. Which is super hot and attractive. So hot.

Is there ever any jealousy where he's like, oh, you're the one that gets like the cool job and the fame? Zero. He is my hype man. That's what you want. He is legitimately the most proud guy I've ever been with. He is so proud of me. And like he wants to, because he's so smart with numbers and like on the financial side of things. Like he wants to be a teammate with me.

He's like, you are creative. You are like this personality. He goes, no shame in saying this. He's like, I am the brains. And I. Well, you're not lacking in that department either. No, no. And he would never say that.

But he knows I'm smart in the things that I do and he's smart in the things that he does. And together we make a really solid team. And he is literally just like, his mom said this too. She's like, Caitlin, he's just a happy, go lucky, good energy guy. Like he's just, not one time would he ever make me feel like he's just not the most proud boyfriend out there. That's so cute. Yeah. That's so cute.

He's really, I call him my hype man all the time. He asked me to not call him my cheerleader. hype man cheerleader same thing just one is more manly i think i said cheerleader one time he's like maybe don't say the term cheerleader and i'm like oh i meant it a nice way but like yeah he's my hype man he really is he really is um okay so if we were to like go back in time and let's just let's take a little bit of a let's take a little bit of a nostalgic moment okay talk about where we first met and all that and then we'll resume with jason and current and current stuff Okay.

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Listen to therapy for black girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So what was your first impression of Chris Souls? and can you believe that you developed such strong feelings for him in hindsight? Yes, I can believe it because I thought he was so attractive.

I thought he was the hottest ever. Yeah, I did too. But did you think that before we were on the show? Yes. You did. Yes. So on Andy's season, didn't think he was that hot.

Then they started doing like the Bachelor makeover on him and I was like, okay, he's getting cute, he's getting cute in pictures that I was looking at. And then when I saw him on that driveway, I was like, hot. Yeah. Me too. I always, I can tell you, I remember telling my sister and my best friend while he was on Andy's season, I was like, oh, I'm always down with a farmer. Like I thought that was so hot. I used to be like, I grew up in a really small farm town in Alberta and Canada. And like every guy I dated lived on a farm growing up. Like that was, I used to lie to people and tell them I lived on a farm because I thought it was cool. And so to me, I was like, oh, the farmer really does it for me. And so yeah, I always thought he was hot. And then in person, I thought he was even hotter. And then. And then. then I thought I mean I'm not going to say anything bad about Chris because I don't really have anything bad to say but he just he was kind of like he had a tough time stringing words

together sometimes and I think he was nervous sure but I thought I was the only one that did it to him so I was so confident probably I was like this guy gets so nervous around me and then I watch I'm like oh no he's like that oh wait I love your interpretation of that that's awesome yeah that's that's where my confidence level was at I was like this guy wants me like I always say I was the most confident i'd ever been on that whole show going into the night that he dumped me so were you not expecting that at all no i had a complete out-of-body experience i'll never forget it was me whitney and becka standing there and i was making jokes i was like being so funny and i'm like i'm beca like oh can i talk to you for a second and she was like i'm going home she looked at me she's like

i'm going home and so she was like can i talk to you for a second and they went away and i look at Whitney i was like well you know what she'll be the bachelorette and and i was like It's just, you know, it's you and I now. Like, yeah, I can't wait to meet his family. And then she came back and I was like, oh, I guess Whitney's going home. So Becca walks back into the rose ceremony. I'm like, well, sorry, Whit. Did you walk back into the road ceremony with the rose?

No. Oh, okay. No. She just came back and stood there. And I was like, well, I guess Whitney's going home. And then when he didn't call my name, I was like, what? And then I remember Chris Harrison walking up and doing the whole like, Caitlin, I'm sorry. Please say her goodbyes.

And I was like, this is an out of body experience. I am that girl on TV right now that didn't see that coming. Chris Harrison is telling me I'm like say your goodbyes and it was just a complete out of body experience I did not see it coming I was just shocked absolutely shocked

So you were picturing an engagement with Chris Yeah Like I almost got nervous at one point Because I was like shoot Am I ready to get engaged Because he's for sure going to propose to me No way Yeah

That's hilarious Yeah it was quite funny So how long do you think it took to recover from that breakup? Then they made me stick around in Iowa for 12 days after I flew home from Bali And then you were over it. And then I was over it.

It was like 12 days of hanging around like a producer and sitting in a house all cooped up. And I was just so confused and lost and, like, couldn't believe it. Then they made me do B-roll and walk around Iowa. And I'm like, oh, he's going to come back because he made a mistake. They're going to make me do B-roll. That's what Jared thought, though, with you. Oh, right. I knew that.

Yeah. Because they make you do this B-roll. And then you're like, oh, well, they must be coming back to get me and they want to catch it on camera. Did they do the B-roll in Iowa? Yeah. Well, so you guys that don't know out there and really nobody does, they sent cameras to Jared's hometown to film with his parents and him after Caitlin dumped him in Ireland.

Oh, wait, I didn't know that. Oh, you didn't? No. Oh, yeah. They had producers and cameras come. And so he was totally ready to go back to you. Oh, well, that's my dad. Which was another reason that he went into Paradise being like, no, she, in his mind,

he was like, she contemplated having me back. I did. You did? Only, only because, okay, I shouldn't say I did. Bennett was like so convinced that I should be. Bennett is one of the EPs. Yes. Obsessed with Jared.

Yes. So he, sorry, I shouldn't say I'd, Bennett wanted me to because I got so confused at the end. And I was just like, like, who am I? And what am I doing? And does this guy, like, I thought, I was like, what if Sean has a girlfriend back home? Like, I didn't know at that point anything. And I started getting really in my own head. And then he's like, you know what?

You just got to go back and knock on Jared's door. So it was his idea, I shouldn't say it was mine. Were you torn between Ben and Nick then for the top two spot? No, I knew when it was the final three, I knew I was going to pick Sean. I wanted to send Nick home third because I didn't want to do that to his family and meet his family again and have to put him through all of what he just went through on Andy's season. But the Sean Nick feud was such good TV that, you know, I didn't really have a choice. Right. I mean, I probably did, but I was like, whatever.

But it wasn't like, was, were your feelings for Ben stronger than Nick? Or did you just know straight up? You were like, I'm picking Sean. So whatever, hands up in the air, doesn't matter who my number two or three is. That's exactly what it was. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah.

So then let's go back to Chris for a second. What was some standout memories that you have from that season? I have two with you that I'm going to talk about. Okay. I remember when you went into the tent. I remember the same thing camping and then I went into the tent

after you Chris was sleeping in the tent Yeah it was so awkward I don't know what I was thinking either I think they were just the Jack It was the Jack Daniels I would like high five each other on her way But it was like you take any time You can get at that point in the show

You don't really get a lot of time with them So you're like well he's just sitting alone in his tent right now Like I'd like to get to know him better Like everyone just everyone automatically goes to something sexual but you're really like do I have a connection with him like I might as well take this time

and figure it out and so you went in the tent first and then I did and then on the big five minute like premiere for the whole season they showed me going into the tent and made me look like I was going to be

the villain but it was actually like you in there or something yeah and I think I said something about you that I wanted to I would rather chew glass and wash it down with a bag of hair

than lose to you Oh, but why me? I remember you said that and then you told me later and then we laughed at it. You know what? Maybe at the end of the day it was actually about Kelsey, but they edited it to make it look like it was about you in the premiere. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that stands out to me.

It stands out to me when I told you I thought you should get your period in a shark tank. Oh, that was the line. You told me that and then we ended up going into that hotel and we showed the same hotel room and then you told me that and then you laughed because you liked that I had a sense of humor about that. Yes, you did. That was the one thing. I always tell people, I say that you are one of the most confident people I've ever met in my whole life. Because people are always like to make fun of you for the crying and the whole thing.

But I'm like, you know who you are though and you're actually so confident. Thank you. And you're just, and you're confident in your emotions and just who you are as a person. But that I remember when we shared that hotel room and I was like, I can't cry. I don't cry. Oh my God. That was the story I was going to tell. Yeah.

And then I was like, I love this girl. Well, first off, thank you for saying the thing about my confidence, because that means you, like, truly know me. Yeah. Because I don't care if I'm crying. I'm like, yeah, I don't care who sees me crying. No, you don't care. You don't care. No, I really don't care.

But the hotel room I was thinking of because I remember you saying, I don't cry. And you're like, I think I need to cry, though. I think you would be healthy for me at this point. I think we were like 10 days in because our season didn't leave the Bachelor Mansion for a while. We were more than 10 days in. Yeah, because we left, we had four full episodes at The Bachelor Mansion. That's like 20 days, isn't it? No, that's like maybe.

I'd say it was probably about 10. That's true. That's true way to out of my mind. Yeah, okay. So it was about 10 days and you were like, I think I really need to cry, but I haven't done it yet. So let's watch a sad movie. Oh, yeah. So we watched the fault in my star, the fault in the stars.

The fault in our stars? Yeah. And you fell asleep. And I just sat there. I was like, well, I guess I'll just cry again. Yeah, I was like a robot. I don't know what was wrong with me. I just couldn't cry. You didn't cry until you were eliminated, right?

Oh, no, I definitely. Oh, you did. Yeah. Carly and I cried and I was like, I'm not going to cry. Actually, this is, they didn't air this, but I was like, I'm not going to cry. And we went on this group date where he picked Britt to go to the, um, save a horse, ride a cowboy date. And he took her to the concert. And we all had to sit there and like, wait for them to come back from the concert.

just the two of them like idiots and I remember doing tequila shots and then I remember being like okay I'm I can't hold it in my lip started quivering I was like I'm going to cry and I didn't want anyone to see so I was like can I go in the bathroom for a second and they knew I was going to go cry and that I was just trying to be tough so I went to the bathroom and then they sent somebody else in the bathroom with me because you sign in the contract if you go into the bathroom the cameras can't follow you but if another girl is in there with you then you can the cameras can come in. So they sent Megan in there with me and she's like, are you okay? And I was hysterically bawling, like couldn't catch my breath. And the camera burst in. I fingered the camera, give the middle

finger, pushed it. I ran out a back door and I just booked it down a back alley. And all these camera guys start chasing me. And I made a quick left turn. And then another quick left turn. And I just walked back into the rose like, or the group date, pretending like nothing happened. And I just sat down and was like, dude, do to do. Did you feel like you looked like you were crying? Yeah. And then they called me on. They're like, Caitlin, we need you for an interview. And then they made me sob. But anyways, Martin, I think, was the camera guy. Oh, okay. He looks at me and goes, Caitlin, you're on a reality show.

You can cry on camera. And you can't run away from me. Like, we'll find you. And you guys out there just letting you know that like the sound and the camera guys are not supposed to interact with this at all. No, no. So when you make the camera and the sound guys laugh in an interview, you feel so a accomplished. Oh, I always, that was my goal in every interview. I'm like, I better see that guy's shoulder shake. Like, the camera better bounce up and down on his shoulder because he's laughing so hard at what comes out of my mouth. Absolutely. It was my goal. Our season was the best. And I'm

not just saying that because we were all. It was. I'm actually serious when I look back and obviously we were there so we know. But I think we had so much fun. And it was like a good time in that show like where the show was at, you know, and where we were at and the no social media and like it was just a good time to be on the show it was so so good yeah you talk about taking tequila shots right there and now i have to ask oh boy how much of your bachelor experience do you feel like you were tipsy to say the least 98% okay fine 90 really i don't know i i i basically drank through everything because it was just so available in that time how do you think you would have been on today's bachelor where there is a drink

limit boring speaking of would you like a free fill yes please um i think i don't know like i i can handle my alcohol though like i i don't know if that's really something to brag about kately but i just i don't know i grew up in a really small town where like i remember having my first cooler when i was like 12 which is really embarrassing like i hid behind a hill and tried to have like my first drink at 12 and then i've just been building up my liver since and so i feel like it was really my time to shine on the bachelor and like drink through everything and be okay i'm joking people don't think I'm an alcoholic I'm not but like it's I don't know I just I feel like I casually could drink through the whole day and it just kind of like relaxed me and I slept better at

night probably not but it felt that way and it just helps you get through things right so how many times do you think that you're on the show and you're like uh oh probably at a not so good level right now yeah there's a few times where I was actually really upset with myself the next day because I was I was like, I don't remember what happened. I had to redo a rose ceremony one time on a group date and they had to fill. You had to redo a rose ceremony on a group date? So was this like one of the very last group dates? So one, it was an actual rose ceremony where all the guys were standing up there and it was in, where were we, Texas, Texas.

And I remember going up and I was like, okay. So, this. This week, you guys, was like, so fun, so hard, but so fun. And then I blanked on my whole speech, and then I just started winging it. And they're like, oh, we're having trouble with your mic. And so they didn't want the guys to all know. I was just hammered. So they came and they pulled me.

They're like, you got to pull it together. So how long did they give you? About 20 minutes to regroup. Okay. And I pulled it together, but I still. I remember watching that Rose ceremony back and be like, oh gosh, Caitlin. And then another time, it was like,

it was one of the ones where I had to hand out the group date rose. And I had to redo it because I was sloppy and I just said like, Clint, what the hell is wrong with you tonight? Like, no, I'm not putting up with that. I'm just giving it to Sean. Like, we all know I'm going to give it to him. And then they were like, so I had to redo it.

And they had to, for camera purposes, they had to sit producers in around like they were the guys so that I was making eye contact in certain places and it looked like I was actually doing the right thing and like do a whole spiel when no other guys were even there

no no guys were even there they were just yeah okay so just for you guys out there sorry I keep interrupting I need to give you little things we don't often do camera tricks on The Bachelor

I was on Millionaire Matchmaker it was called Million Dollar Matchmaker when it was on we yeah it was a mistake but it was the only reality TV program besides Happily Ever After that I participated in

and it was soft scripted if that's what they like to call it and it was also just super staged where I had to do like every little movement multiple times. Really? Just you guys need to know the Bachelor is not like that so just because Caitlin said she

redid she redid a couple scenes that is not norm. It had everything to do with me drinking. She was because she was drunk that they read. Yeah and that was the only that was the only time I had to redo something like that other time they just were like oh you got a mic issue

then I went back and did it again but that yeah that was just and I got in trouble for it too like they were like you can't do that I was like okay fair fair fair we need to put a limit on Caitlin she needs two drinks an hour well I'm like you can't just throw out like

here I am bragging about how I can handle alcohol and I'm like yeah to redo Rose ceremony but like they're just at that point in the show alcohol was just they weren't shoving it down your throats by any means it was always up to you but it was very available is what I like to say there's such a misconception that people are just so drunk on the show but absolutely not no no no and and they do take like they will watch out for you but I was just kind of the silent thunder where you thought I was

fine until I wasn't then they're like oh there's nothing we can do now but they do watch and now I do think the two drink limit is it's good because let's be real if you have two an hour still yeah that's a lot they did that at the reunion and I was like Okay, okay, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. You can get a good buzz off to an hour. You really can. I couldn't think of a better time for you to plug your new wine label.

What a transition. You're good, you. Yeah, it's probably the thing I'm the most excited about. I think after the show, I've always had an idea, but I really wanted to gain my followers' trust. And I think coming right off the show, you know, people are like, oh, what are you just going to start selling us stuff? And although I still did, I tried to really pick and choose what I was putting out there on Instagram because I thought about the longevity of, you know, having a platform.

So I was like, I'm going to turn down a lot of money right now just to like be able to later, like show, show them that I care about what I'm promoting. I believe in what I'm promoting. And then I'll be able to do bigger things down the road. And so I always wanted to do something with wine just because I've always had a love for wine. And I used to work in the restaurant industry. I used to teach all the servers about the wine on our menu. We would do wine courses with Somalias just to like learn more. And I just have always been kind of passionate about learning and drinking it.

And so yeah, now it just kind of was the right timing for me. And I was like, you know, you just got to jump on this and do it because it's been four years since I've been off the show. I'm ready to, you know, I saw the success with my scrunchies and how there's so many like women just come together through the craziest things, you know. like us you know we come together through liking the same guy we women can just have this weird you know I don't know duality of it I can be angry at you but then we'll find a way to come together through it yeah yeah you know and and I find that with the the scrunchies and I just saw like that it was more than a product at the end of the day all these women were like felt like they were in the scrunchy gang and they were like switching and swapping with each other and talking about it

and they all made new friends and then they come to the like live podcast and they came by themselves because they knew they'd meet other vinos there and just like hang out as a group. And I just want the same thing for the wine. I just want these women to come together over the wine and feel like they're part of the spade and sparrows gang. And it's just a community at the end of the day. It's so fun. What types of wine do we have? So I've got a cabsav, a pino grigio and a rosé. Okay. So one of each. One of each. And I'm I know I'm biased, but I have tasted many wines to figure out the one that I wanted. And I am obsessed with the rosé.

I'm obsessed with all of them, but the rosé is the best rosé I've ever had in my life. Okay. Yeah. Do you want to describe it a little bit? Well, it's, I don't like anything sweet. I mean either. So it's not sweet at all. It's more dry, but it's also like, it's the, I call it a summer sipper, but I probably

will drink it year round. It's just like the perfect patio drink. But rosé is also a trend right now. Like, I swear it's like trendy. It's like, you know when Brussels sprouts came in? Yeah. I thought Brussels sprouts were just a thing when I moved to L.A. Because never on the East Coast, was I ever offered Brussels sprouts or was it on a menu?

It was one of those things your parents forced you to eat. Like, nobody liked Brussels sprouts. Yeah. And I feel like Rose is like, like, it's just trendy to drink rosé. And it used to be a summer thing, but now it's year round. And I just feel like it'll, I think everybody will enjoy it. It's like, you know, some people like really sweet wine. Some people like really dry wine.

I just feel like everybody is going to love this rosé. Well, they're going to love all of it. But the rosé is bomb. Okay, well at this point I've done a really good job like trying to transition easily into subjects but now I'm looking at my list of questions and I'm like okay I'm just gonna have to be random now

I'm the most random on my podcast there is no transition I'm like literally talking about one thing and then I'm just like like a squirrel and I think of something else and then I jump to that and then they're like you want to circle back to what I'm actually here for and I'm like oh right right right right yeah no so you've been very good Ashley okay great thank you

does the so here we go random question time guys we're gonna have a fun random question time and then there's like a serious random question time we're going to go into that right now i love both okay great does the end of instagram scare you because not only do you make money off sponsorships on instagram but also you promote your podcast and your scrunchies and your wine through it so yeah of course i feel like there's all there's there's got to be a new thing and it's got to be up and running any second i know i think about this daily by okay good so do we that's a great question uh yes i'm terrified of the end of instagram uh i i

think about all the time how long Facebook has been a thing though and I don't think Instagram will go away but there will always be something new and I hope to use the Instagram platform to build whatever is the next thing that's coming but I just feel like I've built like a solid community that I don't think it would ruin me but it definitely would be a bump in the road for career wise yeah on the same note do you get threatened by up-and-coming girls and the fact that can steal business from you? I mean, I'll think about it, but when I really think about it, I don't feel threatened because I just feel like I've already built my, what I love to do and I already have my

supporters. And I just, I don't know. I've never seen such passionate people in my life as the people that are part of the, you know. I was at the Boston live podcast and I was like, yeah, wow, this room is packed, like over 300 people. Yeah. And they were just ferocious fans. Yeah. I just feel like it's just it really is like I call it a family at this point. So I don't really get threatened. Um, because I'll always just do my own thing. And I just feel like I'm. You don't think somebody is going to go ahead and do what you do better because it's really based on your personality. Yeah. Like I just feel like there's only one Caitlin Bristow out there.

And maybe that's cocky to say. But I just feel like that's it's, it's who I am. And I just feel like I've, I don't know. No, I love that you say cocky things sometimes because that's just how we feel. Yeah, it's how I feel. And I almost, I get excited when upcoming girls like Hannaby, I think she's going to be a little bit like myself with you mix with Emily. Yeah, yeah, she'll be a mix. And I could take that as being threatening, but I'm going to use it to my advantage and like talk to her and have her on the podcast.

Yeah. I want to champion the other girls that come into the show. and I think that's actually taken me a little bit of time. Like, I think three years ago I would have been threatened, but I think I'm just past it now. But you just, you have your own solid brand. Yeah, yeah. I think I'm just in a good place.

You sound like you are. Yeah. How do you feel like you are in right now versus where you were in this time last year? Yeah, it's completely, completely different. I was, I always compare it to when I was in my last relationship before Sean, I started to lose myself at the end. and I didn't know who I was

and I saw myself going in that same direction at this time last year and I remember thinking do not get to that low place again because of somebody not loving you the way that you know you deserve to be loved do not let yourself go there be stronger than that and I just I remember

being very close to getting to that low point of losing myself again and needing to do something about it and I was I was really unhappy and lost and confused why somebody couldn't love me the way I thought I should be loved and it just I never felt safe in that relationship. I think that was because of the show and that I obviously did something that had hurt somebody and he could never get past that.

So to me it was like I never felt safe. I was always like he could leave me. He's not happy. He doesn't like fully let himself surrender and be in love with me. He's just, you know, hurt. And so I just never felt safe. And now compared to last year, I just feel like I'm like, I'm established career-wise as a person. I'm happy and the happiest with myself I've ever been.

And I also have somebody that I feel more than safe with. Do you feel like if you met Sean off the show, you guys would have had a more promising future? At the end of the day, I just don't think we were meant to be. I think we both wanted it to be meant to be. but it just wasn't we we we I'm the kind of person that I'm I really give my whole heart to somebody and I'm very vulnerable and I expect the same back and I think we're just two people that love differently and don't and and it just wasn't a match it just wasn't a match like we you can look back on all of our times Rick and Donna like all of our funny things we did it was more like we had

a solid friendship but the the love part of it just wasn't what it needed to be you just weren't compatible love wise no no it seems like sparks on TV and it was and it was and I just think I think we both wanted it so bad from from that moment but as much time that went on I think we just kept hanging on to that fantasy of when we met and it just kept we just kept growing further apart to be honest we were just on very different pages so I I do think that the show definitely didn't help our cause but at the end of the day we're just not compatible at the end of the day even if you didn't have like that rift that the car that the show caused yeah you still would have found out your incompatibility exactly exactly yeah exactly how did you feel when you found out that

crystals was part of that accident honestly I felt sick like I felt sick to my stomach and I felt sad for so many people and I just I I don't know I was like shock, I think, when I first heard about it. And I just, I just felt bad for everybody. I think I only asked this because I feel like everybody who knew Chris felt the exact same way. And we were all like going about our thing around the country that day. And we were all having this indescribable weirdness and ache inside us. Yeah. Yeah. That is. And it really, it was tough because, you know, there's, when you're in the media, people want to jump on any story. So then it's like people or reaching out, like, magazines and just media that want to, like, know how we feel about it.

And I didn't want to comment. No, I didn't comment on my life. Yes. I was like, I'm going to take a knee on this one. Because I just, I'm not, I don't know details. I don't know what. Like, yeah, I just, it was just a, it was a tough, weird day. You talk about thinking that you were going to be single for years after breaking up with Sean and that you were going to be totally okay with that.

but I know that you want kids. Yeah. And you're still young, obviously. You're 34th. See, the wine. It's my second glass. I love it. I love it.

Your 34th birthday is approaching this summer. So if you're going to be single for another five years, you would have probably used those frozen eggs that you froze a couple years ago, correct? I think that was part of my, like, confidence in being alone. I was like, you know what? It froze my eggs. I'm cool. Like, I just, to me, my mom is 66, 60, oh my gosh, 66. I'm like, no way.

She seems like she's still in her 40s. And I just, her energy is the same as my energy. And I just don't like to put too much thought on my age and when I should have babies. And I don't like that whole biological clock is ticking. I mean, I hate to bring up the biological clock because I've gotten shit for it in the past. Oh, do you believe? Mainly, well, do you feel that? No, I mean, I definitely considered freezing my egg.

Jared came around and we got engaged at the prime time because I was going to do it as a 30th birthday present to myself. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, but then Jared expressed his feelings just months before that and I was like, good to go or at least, you know. Sometimes I'm like, Jared, can we freeze your sperm? Yeah. Because I always get worried about like if he gets in an accident.

Yeah. I know this is crazy, but this is my worry. I think about stuff like that. If he were to get an accident, I would still want to have. have his kids and that like makes me all emotional but yeah I'm like why just why just freeze my eggs why can't we freeze your sperm because I still would want I wouldn't want to be with anybody else especially not in like my 30s I surprisingly got a lot of um a lot of flack for freezing my eggs and being so open about it why because I think women who had a tough time getting pregnant were

a little bit sensitive that I was just celebrating freezing my eggs and how easy it was for me which I understand, but at the end of the day, I'm like, I'm doing it to, like, what if I can't have children down the road? Or what if something happens to me? And I, because I froze my eggs, I have that. Wouldn't you want that opportunity to? And I think people just didn't really have the knowledge that they do now about freezing your eggs. So. But yeah, it's, I'm just, I'm totally okay on my own. Like, I'm, I just, I actually love being alone. Um, so what I was just looking for was like if somebody adds value to my life like jason does i was so open to it but i just didn't think i'd find it that quickly don't you feel like when you're doing your own thing you're killing it and you feel like

you could be on your own forever is usually when the guy comes around yeah that's exactly right that is exactly and i think i'm like of course you just like this happened so quickly because i'm in the right place for it and so is he you know he's he's 30 he's established he's done so much with his education and career and he's just such a he's just such a good guy he's so solid he's just a solid human little jason he's not he's not little no he's a big jason you're living in nashville now

and you're living in national because that's where sean live yes and you have a beautiful house that you own yes so how long do you see yourself living in Nashville especially if jason has a solid job that he doesn't necessarily want to leave in Seattle. Seattle, yeah. I don't really know. I'm just kind of going with the flow right now.

I bought the house and I have a lot of plans with renovating it. Like I want to redo the kitchen. I'm actually doing a deal with Wayfair. We're going to partner and decorate some of the rooms and like redo it the way I want. Like I already made it my dream home downstairs. I still have a few more rooms to decorate. God, I sound like to. I'm like I still got a few more rooms.

It's okay. It's okay. I live on HGTV. This is what I knew I was 30. I was like I'm putting on HGTV way too much. But that's the thing. I like used to love going out and do and then all of a sudden one day I was just like so excited about cabinets and I don't know where like I love cabinets. I love cabinets so much. Only white and gray ones though. Yeah, of course. Of course. Is there any other kind? And so I have lots of plans to redo the house and and as of right now I mean we definitely talk about the future but we're just going with the floor. low, you know, and we're just, we'll figure it out. Okay. Yeah, I don't know where we'll be. And if you do get married, you'll probably a loop. Probably. That sounds like something I would do. Like Vegas. Did the Jonas brother actually marry her? Well, you're talking to the right person. I know. I just thought of that. So what happened was they have, they have a planned wedding, a big huge planned wedding in France sometime over the summer.

Oh, okay. But they needed to get their American marriage license before they got married in France. So they thought, we're in Vegas. We're sort of. surrounded by friends and family, as mine as we'll do it now. So it made total sense. I might do that because I need a green card, yo. This Canadian needs to stay in the States. I think you'll find a way. Let's talk about dancing with the stars because you were the woman of all the women who should

do dancing with the stars, but it seems like bachelors get to do dancing with the stars. But there's only been one bachelorette who's been able to do it. Trista. Oh, Trista did it. Lisa did it, but she, except she was out of, she was out of her contract. Right. So she, I wasn't out of my contract. So they had the power to tell me no.

They couldn't tell her no because she was out of the contract. It was ABC. Like I think it was the first, it was the very first season of dancing with the stars. So it was kind of like kept it in the family. Oh, back then, during Trissa. Yes. It was the first season of dancing with stars, which was like 2006 or something. Yes.

So then, but she was sent home. first and then Melissa Rycroft did it but you know they kind of need to need to throw her a bone after what Jason missed again like you know what we're going to get her dancing with the stars so she got dancing at the stars but not the bachelorette gig but that's kind of like in turn what she preferred right right exactly so yeah when it came to I mean I had a contract signed for dancing with the stars and and they were going to announce me on good morning America and then last second I was told no you cannot do it your passion should be Sean and I don't. He said, we know who he is. He said, I, I am sick of people coming off of my show and

wanting fame, uh, instead of focusing on the relationship. And I was like, but why not do that to the bachelors? Well, it doesn't make any sense. That's, that's the whole thing that frustrates me is that, that doesn't make sense. And I said, well, dancing is a passion of mine. Like, I grew up dancing. I've never done ballroom dancing, but I love dancing. And he goes, well, Sean should be your passion. And I was like, you're telling me, I can't have two passions in life. That doesn't make any sense. So yeah, I was quite frustrated. I mean, it's what almost, it's like three and a half years later and it still boils my blood.

Well, not because I didn't get on Dancing with the Stars. Looking back, I think that would have been bad timing for me and I'm glad I focused on a relationship. You were already dealing with Sean issues post show. Right. So looking back, I'm glad I didn't. But it's the principle that I feel like it was because I was a bacheloret. And then he said, you know, we'll never have somebody from the show do Dancing with a Star. again and Nick.

And Crystal's. Chris Sol's before me, then Nick right after me. I was like, oh, come on. Like, at least convince me a little bit that you meant what you said. Yeah. Yeah.

Is that the following out that you kind of have with the franchise? Because there was a while there that you didn't feel like you looked at them as friends. Yeah. I think, you know, what I, deep down, I think a few things.

I accidentally spoiled my season on Snapchat. Oh my goodness. Yeah. That was the one thing. That was the first question. question I had for you, knowing that we were going to do this today. Yeah. But I didn't write it in my notes.

Yeah. I need to know the reaction that production had when that happened. And your reaction, because your heart, you must have just been going. I can't even imagine. Almost threw up. I can't believe you didn't. The frenzy that was going on in your body. It was terrible.

So I think they knew that I was kind of upset with how they were portraying me a little bit. And so the, the spoilers that were out there were that I picked nobody. And can I tell you When Jared arrived to Paradise Not only was he messed up Because they sent a camera crew To his house because he thought

That you were going to ask him back But he also thought that you chose no one Right, right So I think of the back of his mind He was like there's still a chance with Caitlin Yeah And I was like, yo boy, no, she picks Sean Yeah

You're like I know the real deal I know the scoop So I think they thought I did the Snapchat on purpose I think they thought Caitlin's so rebellious that she meant to spoil it to save her relationship with Sean or something like that. I think they think I did it on purpose, which I, of course, did not. That's a $5 million contract I just blew.

Of course I didn't do it on purpose. I felt terrible. I thought Sean did it. I yelled at him thinking he did it. Then I found out it was me. I immediately deleted it, but it had already been retweeted it. This all happened within five minutes. Oh, yeah.

It was just spread like wildfire. And I was like, oh, God. And I just started hysterically bawling. I almost threw up. we were just in so much heat that we actually called Ben who I hadn't talked to since I broke up with him.

Don't you always just call Ben in a crisis? Is there really anybody else you think to call? You know what? Even in this time when he's dealing with like Sean as his friend I still call Ben but he he was going to fly down and jump in bed with me too

just to do another Snapchat just to be like oh look I'm in bed with him too like could you imagine if he had flown down to do that? How cute! I know. He was probably like, you, but yeah. So I think they were, yeah. They were upset with me about the Snapchat and the production was, I mean, they were filming Paradise and they were getting terrible cell service and they had to stay up through the night to have meetings to try and figure out what to do. And I think from that into, you know, they were bitter and they knew I was bitter. And I don't think Fleiss ever wanted me to be the Bachelorette, to be honest. I don't, I really don't think he did. I got to throw it in there. Yeah. Do you think the poll was legit, the one between you and Britt?

Do you think that the guys truly voted for you? Because I truly did the guys voted for you, too. But I also think that production knew that you would carry the season better than her. And you give more drama and juice. Yeah. So I think that they were going to go with you either way. Do you think that? Now looking back, yes, because they already had all the dates set up.

And it was like rap, bad. and like certain things that in comedy dates like certain things that I'm like those are those are clearly for me and I I also think the guys the majority of the guys were my kind of guys over you know the kind of guys that they had put on a season for Brit so I think Jared was cast it for Brit she he was and he and he voted for her yeah yeah and I'm not mad because that's his stereotypical type that was the type that he thought he had before he met you and me yeah You know what, Jared, give with the times, bro. Thank you for coming around.

To some real women. No, I'm just kidding. But, yeah, I think it was just like a combination of a bunch of things that happen. I don't think Fleiss wanted me to be The Bachelorette. So I think he maybe thought, like, well, I have control to say, no, she's still under contract. And then it was just, I don't think he thought I'd call him out for it either, which on Twitter one day I definitely went after him. But I was mad. I'm like, what?

It doesn't make any sense that Nick could go and be on dancing. with the stars after being The Bachelor after what he said to me. I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. This must be sexism. So that's when you just went off was when Nick was cast. Yeah, I lost it. I was like, screw this. I'm not staying silent.

I'm out of contract. And I went off. Yeah. And despite all this, you still have a rose tattoo on your arm. Isn't that funny? I actually came around because I realized close to the end of my relationship with Sean that I wasn't bitter at the show, that I was grateful actually for it and that I didn't have to be angry at everybody. Everybody is just doing their job.

It set me up for a lot of success and opened a lot of doors and I was sick of being bitter about it. And I wanted to remind myself daily of that pivotal time in my life and that it's nothing to be upset about or bitter about that it was such a cool opportunity and not only did like I could have been really upset and hurt and gone hid in a corner because of the slut shaming and all the hate I got. But I channeled it into a really positive place for women. And at the end of the day, I just felt like it was such a, it was such a good experience in my life that led me to so many amazing things that I needed to remember it as a positive. And I'm like, what better way than to tattoo it on your body? I used to be like, I never want to see a rose again for as long as I live.

And now I'm like, I'm all beautiful flower. I do feel like we'd all go through those phases where we feel a little restricted. But then at the end of it, like, I was watching your reunion show and just being like, Jared, aren't you thankful? And he is. It really is just a really special thing in that. And I just feel like I'm back in ABC's good books. They're back in my good books.

We're in a good place. And I don't know. I think that has a lot to do with me being in a better place too, though. Well, I'm super proud of you for everything that you've done with being the Bachelorette. You didn't stop once the show was over. you really expanded upon the opportunities that were given to you. Thank you. To the utmost.

And I would like to end this podcast on this beautiful note. However, we cannot. We have to commemorate my podcast co-host, Ben Higgins. So we will do that right after this break. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast.

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Plus, if you're someone who gets anxious about flying, don't miss session 418 with Dr. Angela Neal-Barnett, where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to therapy for black girls on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. We're back with Caitlin, and we're going to talk about my lovely co-host, Ben, who could not be here because he was traveling so much this week. But what was your first impression of Ben? And when did you think, damn, I like this guy? Oh, that's a good question. you know what I'll never forget on night one he looked at me and he said Caitlin you're our bachelorette

you won by a long shot and I was like oh okay who's this guy and I read he looked yeah he like looked me in the eyes and pumped my tires and I was like I kind of like this guy so it was night one actually and then down the road I remember having this conversation with him and going I I thought he voted for Brit because he seemed like Brits. He seemed like a Brit guy. Yeah, he totally seemed like a Brit guy. So I asked him, and he just started laughing. And I was like, what?

He goes, do you actually think I didn't vote for you? And I was like, well, I don't know. I don't care if you didn't. Like, how do you know? You don't know us yet. And he's like, Caitlin. And you like meant it. He was like, such a bad move.

Yeah, he was like, of course I voted for you. He probably was like rubbing my shoulder. And I was like, oh my gosh. And then I, and then I was like, what a. sweetheart and then when I broke out of my hotel room and went down and snuck out with no cameras and found

his hotel room I saw him because of Sean yeah but I saw him in a backwards hat and I was like oh damn he's hot oh the backwards hat does good things to bed yeah yeah not that he needs one but it does good things no and then and then by the end I was just like we we I mean Ben and I would have never worked but I just saw him I was like I think I

I think I want that guy in my life, but not like that. Okay. Yeah. I feel like the show actually holds guys a lot, holds them back. Because if we look at their gross, like, pictures, their ABC pictures, the first releases of them. Parable. Always gross because they, like, think they should, like, wear something cool or stylish or formal. And most guys look best with a backwards hat and a t-shirt or a sweatshirt on.

Yes. I always said that. I'm like, you need to just, I wanted to come out of the limo for. Chris Solzies and in a backwards hat myself. That would have worked for you. And converse sneakers because I was like, wait, that's how I dress. I don't want to be in a little cocktail dress. Like, I want to come out just like barely any makeup and backwards hat.

I be like, what's up, bro. I mean, that wouldn't, I don't think that's what they go for. But I always said that. I'm like, I wish they showed all of the guys in just a backwards hat and like casual gear because that's the hottest. That is absolutely the hottest. Sorry, Jason. I know you always wear blazers.

You know what, that's very ironic, considering Jason just is the most naturally dressed up of them all. When Jason puts on a backwards hat and a casualty, I can imagine. I cannot hold back. That I'm like, no, no, no, doesn't bug me. Are you kidding me? It doesn't bug me at all. You can date him for a little while and send him back if you want. That's how we do.

Do you respect that Jared looks hot on a backwards hat, a sweatshirt? Yes. Yeah. I totally think Jared looks hot in a backwards hat. That's like on mean girls. And they're like, tell me he looks sexy with his hair pushback. But I totally just Backwards hats do weird things for me

And when Jason puts it on I'm literally, I can't keep my hands off of them Speaking of can't take your hands off Jason You recently said that on your first Datish, the first time you got InSman Yeah, okay That all you're gonna quote me, aren't you? That all you needed was a good dry hump

Which I'm gonna be very Ashley I Very anti-ashley I And very anti-almost famous right now And say all a girl really needs is a good joy hump. Thank you. Apparently that was TMI for people. But let me tell you, it's so funny because headlines can, you know, that's clickbait.

Yeah. So, and I do it too. If I have a guest on my, you know, and they give me something good, I'm going to use it as clickbait. That's just the biz. So it's so interesting because I, the amount of things media could pull from my podcast and put in headlines to make me look. disgusting. Not that I think dry humping is disgusting again all for it. But like they could take anything out of context. Right. So that headline and when that came out about my first hookup with Jason, I'm like, really? Like I've said so much worse on my podcast and that needs to be your

headline. Like his family's going to see that. And they didn't inject my humor where I do on my podcast. I always do confessions. So it's like my confession is something really embarrassing or really funny or something that like I'm like really trusting in my listeners to not tell anybody that I'm just it's kind of a safe place so that I'm like a safe place with like 500,000 listeners 500,000 I should I should know better than that like I should know that anything I say could be in a headline but I wasn't thinking and I'm like oh okay I mean yeah dry humping so you said it and yeah yeah you know that happened And do you regret, like, having said that?

Or you're just like, hey, guys, that's me. Don't know why this is a thing because this is something that I would always say. My audience hears stuff like this all the time. I think, I don't regret it. I think it's like, well, we're too consenting adults have between like a guy and a girl who really like each other who have their clothes on and are fooling around. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I said I was on my period. That apparently was TMI where I'm like, it's 2019.

this is biology women men's we have our menstrual cycles and I don't think that should be anything to be ashamed of and like we're it's a confession yeah maybe throw that in there you know no so I don't regret it at all I just don't like the way it came out and looked really bad like the amount of DMs I got of women just like disgusted with me yeah which I mean I'm used to but so I'll be super honest when Jared heard that he wasn't disgusted by the comment but he did feel sympathy for Sean. Okay. Oh, I didn't look at it like that. Well, yeah. I would have never, anything I do does not, I would never do it to hurt somebody else's feelings or see other things. But we all need to remember that I saw things too. And I saw headlines too. And I saw photos too before I even had anything like that with Jason. And people can say that. oh no that's not true that was media I saw things too and that was really soon for me and

all I told myself was you know what he he doesn't want to be with me he is allowed to do whatever he wants with whoever he wants we are not together and we've had a really rough go for a while and if that's what he needs to do and if that's something that makes him happy right now I have no comment and nothing to say about it because it's not my business anymore. Right. It's not my problem anymore. It's not my responsibility anymore. And it's not my business anymore.

And he is more than welcome to do whatever he wants. And that was, you know, I saw all the headlines. I saw photos. I know someone very personally who's very close with that person that he had rumors about with. Yeah. I know things. And all I said was, I hope he's happy. Mm-hmm.

So it. I understand that things, it sucks to see your ex in the media. And it sucks to see those headlines. But at the end of the day, like, I feel like I've said the end of the day. We both have said this so many times. We both have said it so many times. And I was just thinking like, oh crap, like we need to come up with a different expression. Yeah, we will.

But at the end of the day. But I do under, but there's totally something there's something that a lot of people won't be able to understand that it's one thing to see your ex on social media. but there's another thing to see like to try to prevent seeing them on social media and yet the media won't let you not see it right and and when I saw those headlines with Sean I was like okay well you know I'm going to unfollow this I'm not going to go on my search page I'm just going to take the steps that I need to not see what what could hurt me and I would hope that he wants me to be happy I haven't spoken to him I want him to be happy it's just it's a weird world we live in and there's going to be headlines and I'm not you know I did I didn't expect that to go out there and be like oh Caitlin dry arms Jason like I would have you know I don't mean to say these things to like get at other people you know me so it's I mean what do you do no when it comes out of your mouth you're it's with no malice right right yeah what do you do let's go back to bed now okay

Ben is like perceived as this wholesome boy scout mm boy scout but I think that he has a little bit more of an edge and everybody thinks. He does. So tell us about the edge that you think you see in bed and the darkness and the sexiness and all that. But he still has a girlfriend.

Well, and I have a boyfriend. I'm like, I'm not going to talk about his sexiness. I just think, Ben, how hard is that to go on a show where millions of people are watching you and you are given the title, the perfect Ben? Oh, so much of us.

You are put on this pedestal of the perfect person and that you're just this wholesome. Christian. So how can you not, you know, try and live up to that expectation? And sometimes I just want him to like, you know, like post a picture of him giving the middle finger in a backwards hat and say something that he means. Like I just want to, I just always want to like rough him up a little bit and be like, come on, Ben. Because he is. But I mean, I don't know. He does have a little edge. I know. I know. He, I don't know how much I can say. The guy, you know, he'll shoot some whiskey. He'll, like, he'll, he'll, he'll shoot some whiskey. He'll, like, he'll, Like, you know, he just needs to be a little more honest. One of my, I don't get a podcast episodes, I did a drunk podcast where we, like, really, we wanted to feel a buzz before we started talking. Welcome to Off the Vine.

And I think that we should do one with Almost Famous. You have to. Whiskey and wine, man. Oh my gosh. He wouldn't let you air it. He wouldn't. The next day, be like, no, no, no. He'd call Easton and Mark right here

And be like Okay, so you guys don't tell Ashley But I need you to edit this out and this out Yeah, exactly My We have a couple Listener emails right now And I want to read them to you

Yeah They're geared to you Yeah Caitlin From strangers to an admirer of you Over the years You have had a spectacular impact On my life

Your leadership, kindness and attitude Was the foundation To what allowed me To be a fuller version of myself Oh, my gosh. Caitlin, your wit, charm, and energy brings you in, brings everyone in closer to you. It's not a wonder why so many people are love and adore you.

Your charisma is tirelessly captivating and your personality makes you seem larger than life. In fact, I would say being around you makes life better, bigger, and more full of joy. Holy. I know. I'm like. You want these, you want these list. Listeners to go over to your podcast. Yeah.

I'm sure they say the same thing. I'm like going to cry. Okay. The ups and downs of life never seem to derail you from being a person who loves well and loves intentionally. As a fan and friend, I learned a lot from you. Caitlin, I am so thankful to say that I know you, proud to that you are a friend of mine. Wait, who is this? And thankful that God placed me in a mansion in hopes of knowing you better.

You, Caitlin, are special. Your forever fan, Ben. Shut up. No. Yeah, I lied to you. It wasn't a real fan email. It was your fan, Ben. Higgins.

She's crying, guys. She's welling up. I'll send that to you so you can read it whenever you feel low. You know what's crazy is when you were reading that, I'm like, God, that sounds like something Ben would write. Oh, my, what? I just want to hug him. I know.

How cute is that? What? That is the nicest thing I think anyone's ever said to me. Oh, he has away with worse. What a beauty. Yeah. Oh, my gosh, Ben, I'm calling you later. Oh, how cute is that?

Oh, the one that got away. I'm just kidding. Oh, my gosh. Wow, that was, that, like, touched my soul. Like, I was listening and I started putting my head down, closing my eyes because I was listening to every word. I did not see that coming. What a plot twist. Ben Higgins.

You're, you know, your runner or second up. I regret saying I need to shake him up and rough him up and that he needs to be more honest. I'm like, no, you're good, you're good. All right, we're going to let Caitlin bask in that. And then we're going to wrap this podcast up with a fast round of questions for her and for me. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly

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Oh, I'm into it. Okay. We're going to start out super, super easy. What's your favorite fast food now, especially that you're a vegetarian? Oh, what? I know. I never thought I would be I'm honestly I love Burger King veggie burgers they have veggie burgers it's really good it's really good let's be honest is plain meat good or is it everything we dress it with

it's all the condiments it's everything you dress it with so veggie burgers with all the sauce and the lettuce and the tomato and the onion and the delicious bun it's you don't just eat a burger without dressing it up I will tell you confession time this is Ashley confession on the almost I was podcast one time we went over to nicks for barbecue yeah he only gave us burgers with me in a bun he didn't have any condiments what kind of psychopath i was like i was like nick it's so cute of you to have us over for dinner is there any ketchup yeah what condiments ketchup you that's just rude to eat a burger without condiments yeah i was shook i also this people People, I don't know why I get, like, self-conscious saying this, but I really like the fish filet from McDonald's.

Okay, Jared and his dad also love the fish filet. I'm obsessed with it. I've never had a fish filet, but I do love to put, like, a Swanson something in the oven, and then I wrap it up in a thing with tartar sauce. Please, please, go today and get a fish filet, no cheese, add shredded lettuce, and tell me it didn't change your life. Why no cheese? Ew, cheese, American cheese slice just melted on fish. Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me either. I don't push fish.

on my fish wraps. No, no, no, no. You just don't do that. You just don't do that. But shredded lettuce, the tartar sauce, the fish. It's delicious. So will you eat fish? Yes, I still eat fish.

Okay, cool. So I guess I'm a pescatarian. Yes, you are. Because I will hear from the vegetarians. See, I feel like I could be a pescatarian, at least for a few months. Okay. I'm actually also trying to not have dairy right now, which... Don't go to the vegan side.

No, no, no. And I can't because I love eggs. Yeah. And, but I watched a documentary. and it always starts with a documentary you know what my my kick for wanting to be a vegetarian was actually blackfish which was really weird but I just I heard about that yeah but I saw how many emotions animals have and I just applied it to all animals not just whales and I was like yeah you have to stop eating meat well then I saw something on Ellen where I I sushi is my favorite food

and then Ellen like chirped somebody and was like oh okay so you will recycle to save the fish but then you'll eat them. And I'm like, damn it. That's me. Ellen doesn't eat fish either. No, no, no, no. She no animal products at all. I don't know if fish have emotions. They don't. Kurt Cobain said it. Kurt Cobain said in a song, it's okay to eat fish because they don't have any feelings. And I will stand by that. Like, I'm talking flounder. I'm not talking free willy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to eat a whale. Okay. Who from Bachelor would you hook up with if you weren't with Jared? If Jared never existed. Or who would you have a crush on? Okay, I don't have to stay hookup.

um can i tell you who i think the cutest has been from past seasons yes okay well obviously from jojo season i thought that wells was the cutest which is why i dated him in paradise um from from from becca's season i probably would have gone with colton okay and then from we skipped a season rachel season i would have gone with dean who dean oh dina they said ean yeah also oh i'm on my second and a half class yes kately then the question are going to get weirder. I think that Jared knows that I think that those were all

the cutest guys too. You're allowed to think guys are cute. You wouldn't act on it. And I was making you ask. Absolutely not. I was making you. I forced you to answer that. Okay, you go.

Okay. Who is your guilty pleasure musical artist? So I truly don't believe in guilty pleasures, but just for the sake of using the term in its essence, you know how to answer this.

Because my answer is Richard Marks inch like Chicago and like just all the male soft rock like Peter Sheterra wow yeah um not guilty though yeah um I don't even know how to answer that I don't who who okay so take yourself back to like high school college and you be your friends would be like can I see your iPod and then you be like no I don't want to I was like all 98 degrees oh yeah and sync backstreet boys that was like... So you didn't have any oldies on there? I really love the Beatles,

but I do not feel guilty about that. That's definitely not guilty. All right, moving on. Oh, damn it. Sorry. What a disappointing answer. Boom. One item of clothing or anything

that you want to burn of Jared's. I really don't like this black button down of his. Okay. What a black button down. A black button down. It sounds very acceptable. It feels a little waiterish for me. Okay.

But it also, like, I just have to be honest, it's black on him if it's not a t-shirt and it's like more of like a colored thing. It's not as flattering. Okay. That's fair. Okay. That's a fair question. I made Jason burn a bear.

Did you burn burn in like the fireplace? Yeah. No. I, we just threw them out. They were like these oversized gray sweat shorts. And I mean like sweat shorts. No. So do I.

Yeah. I mean oversized, like, I think they were a Fubu brand, like, oversized gray sweats. Okay. And I was like, he was wearing them. I'm like, could we burn those or? And he was like, and he just like ripped them off. He's like, okay, they're going into the garbage. I'm like, thank you.

Okay. Okay. Here's a little bit of an off topic, but on topic question. Okay. You know how guys are always like, I like you without makeup. Yes. Do you think that Jason really prefers you without makeup or he likes what he thinks is no makeup, but really is a little.

foundation and a little mascara and a little bit of lip liner. You know what? I love the I didn't try hard, but I tried hard look. Yeah. And the other day, I absolutely broke out in this hormonal acne around my mouth. You can see the, like... I see a couple. Okay, so what I did was overloaded it with retinol and burnt the shi out of my face.

And I, like, there was some sort of reaction. So now I had, like, red all... Blakey, right. Oh, it looks burned. Yeah. Burn on. And I was FaceTiming him and I forgot that it was there. And he was like, what happened to your face?

And I was like, oh my gosh. I'd bill-bo. And he goes, you still look so beautiful. And I was like, I felt it. Six months. Exactly. I'm like, well, you'll tell me that in three years. But like he genuinely was like, oh, it's just worried about you.

Like, I didn't know what happened. He goes, you still look so beautiful. I think. He loves me. So I think he loves me no matter what. At first I was really weird about, you know, I would do the like, I'm not wearing makeup, but I am thing. And then I get over that really quickly. And I just, I find that I don't ask him, like, what do you prefer?

And he doesn't say what he prefers. But I can tell that the more natural I am, I get, he compliments me more. Really? Yeah. So Jared's always told me that he likes me without makeup. And even when I was getting like some makeup trials, I was like, how do you like it? And he was like, I like you better without makeup. Yeah.

But sometimes when I do myself just medium, I can see the affection and he'll be like, tapping my butt more and holding my waist more. I'm like, oh, I wonder if it's something to do with the fact that I'm wearing a little bit of makeup. Yeah. I know. I think at the end, I'm not going to say it. I'm not saying at the end of the day.

I think that men genuinely do love their partner all natural. yeah but when they get spiced up they're like they need a balance yeah because they want to see you looking like you're putting effort in it because they appreciate the effort it's the same thing when the guys do it like yeah i love jason in a backwards hat and in sweats and like just chilling but when he is like we went to an engagement party that day and he looked all dapper i was like damn like you know i liked her in a tucks and i liked him dressed totally down yeah yeah yeah i like extremes yeah there you go. All right. What was your most embarrassing moment in your, let's say your 30s,

in your 30s? Oh, most embarrassing moment in my 30s. You know what's so crazy is I actually have a really hard time thinking about this. I do too. I guess like my dad, I'm so, so close with my parents, well, my whole family. My dad is like the biggest angel gym sweetest man you've ever met in your whole life. And he was so, he knows who I am. He knows I'm this like wild child, free spirit, do what I want. And I think he had a little bit of a tough time

watching The Bachelorette, but also was very, very proud of me and always told me that. But the most embarrassing thing for me was he, I found out he didn't go to the grocery store for a while because my face was all over magazines with like pregnancy rumors and like sex scandals. and to me that was like the most embarrassing thing that he didn't want to tell me that he couldn't go to the grocery store but I found out because he was like a little bit like I think he felt sad that like he knew things weren't like he was like don't do that to my daughter and I feel like that's the most embarrassing thing I can think of in my 30s was that my dad didn't want to go to the grocery store because of my decisions on a show that's a good answer yeah all right my turn okay um if you had an envelope in front of you and inside had the day that you were going to to die would you open it man i knew you're going to come up with better ones that i did no i don't think so i wouldn't either i wouldn't either some people say yes because they're like well i'd want to live my life i'm like i wouldn't live i would be like paranoid to do anything it would be a count down to death yeah you'd just be i'd be like depressed i wouldn't want to do

anything because i'd be like well i'm going to die that way like what i would just hide i know that when i'm having like stressful times if there's something that's all consuming in my brain that I can't really do anything else. So I feel like that would take effect with this where I'd be like I'd be thinking so much of that that I wouldn't actually be accomplishing things. Yeah, same. Same.

I'm the same way. Fantastic. Cross that one off. All right. Now I have my two good ones. Okay. Oh yes. Give up sex or wine. Wine. Oh, shit. You love wine. I thought that was going to be harder

for you. Yeah, but intimacy is the most important thing in a relationship. Oh, there you go. Wouldn't you say? Hey, intimacy does not have to mean sex. But to me, we all know I am not a virgin. That's why I asked you the question.

And I think, yeah, I would never pick wine and alcohol over a healthy relationship. What about food? Well, that's just survival, Ashley. I can't survive without food. Okay. I mean, like eating corn flakes every day

or the plainest thing you could think of. Oh. Wait, what? Wait, that didn't make sense. Yeah, I don't get it. Yeah, never mind. Moving on, your turn. Okay.

Funniest behind the scene moment with Jared that nobody knows about. Like behind the scenes like camera? Yeah. Or not. Just something that funny that people, like a story that. I don't know.

Hmm. I saved my worst one for less. You saved your best. for last behind the scene like any okay well i mean i think though the one the moment that happened not on camera at all that i wish people knew was the whole fall of 2015 which was if you watch our story of us on youtube you understand what happened but it was basically just i was slowly and so contrivedly um making every little move to that was totally totally totally true to myself, but I knew that would, like, impress him.

I was like, I'm just going to be my best version of myself, and I'm just going to be friends with him. And if he likes what he sees, then so be it. That's great. Great for me, great for him. Yeah. And I feel like nobody saw how I was actually cool, and I actually won him over for a period of time. And that period of time really effed me up when it came to everybody seeing me in Bachelor in Paradise Three. Oh, because we didn't, you know, made out because I knew he was interested. He was blatantly interested. And then certain things happened where he was like not so sure anymore.

And, you know, he was always in his head about everything. Yeah, yeah. But I think at the whole fall 2015, if I could have something captured on camera, it would be that time. When you were being cool, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. My last question is also a little raunchy. Give it to me. of all the fantasy sweets you've been in. Oh boy.

What was your favorite besides Sean? It was Ben because because we actually had really great conversation and we were just like sipping whiskey talking about life and we had this whole castle in Ireland to ourselves and we were like, should we go exploring and we went to like the top of this castle and it felt really haunted and we got so scared that we like couldn't even get. I heard you were like drunk in the field. When? Were you like drunk in fields running around there?

Yeah. Okay. Not for fantasy suites. Oh, not fantasy suites. I mean, we were like drinking and riding horses around a field and running away from donkeys and stuff. Yeah. But yeah, it was we just, I felt like we had a really fun.

We were dancing, like, I just feel like we had a really, really fun time full of conversation actually dancing and trying to like explore a haunted castle. Fun. Yeah. Very fun. Yeah. Is that it?

Have we done? No, I don't want to be. Well, Caitlin, we've already gone almost two hours. I just like talking about myself. I like hearing the sound of my own voice. Oh, so much fun with you. I don't want to, like, bury the things that you need to promote. We already talked about your scrunchies and your wine label,

but I do want you to reiterate that. And, of course, the Off the Vine podcast. What's the other one called? Grape therapy. So Grape Therapy and Off the Vine, they're both. wine-themed podcast, but they come out each of them each week. So you have two podcasts that are released each week. I have three now. I know, three with the drunk phone calls. Yeah, drunk-ta. Yeah. So off the vine comes out Tuesday. Grape therapy comes out Thursday. Drunk Tao comes

Friday. But I'm like, I think about this. I'm like, don't we have all the same listeners? I really think they roll over. I think like 90% of them are the same. Yeah. But for those of you who are new to me, I, yes, I have a wine label coming out. So it is called Spade and Sparrow. Caitlin. If you're new to Caitlin. And then my scrunchy, which is, it's, honestly, it's such a fun page. It's at do edit on Instagram, D-E-W-E-D-I-T. And they're the strongest scrunchies you'll ever use. Honestly, they're so legit and they're too legit to quit. They'll give you the highest, tightest ponytail you'll ever. And it makes your hair look thicker. And for thick hair, people are always like, yeah, but will it hold thicker? I'm like, try me. Yeah, one time around. Yeah. If only we were so lucky to have a one time around. Yeah, I, I, in my next life, I will come around with lioness hair.

All right, on that note, you guys, this was the one and only, Caitlin Bristow. Thank you for listening. Yeah, let's clap for me again. The almost famous in-depth. Ben, we miss you. Thank you for your note. You are quite the man. You are a diamond in the rough.

Truly. All right. And you had so many diamonds in the rough in your season. And so we could continue, but we cannot. Goodbye, signing up. I've been Ashley. I've been Caitlin. See ya.

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