The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous In Depth: Kaitlyn Bristowe 2021

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

We're going IN DEPTH with Kaitlin Bristowe! She opens up about her relationship with Jason and how its changed after spending all of their time together. Find out her biggest challenge since stepping into the “host” role on The Bachelorette!Plus, Ashley shares what she saw in the first 3D ultrasound of her baby boy! He’s already showing some of Jared’s “stronger” features.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Ben and Ashley I, almost famous in depth. Ashley, I love you. Because I'm eating. You're just living your truth every moment of every day and I just love it so much. The video the other day, Ash, where Jared posts and of you just farting away on the couch really got me. No, he didn't.

Yeah. I don't care about anything. Maybe I should care more. Oh, that's so cute. Ben. Oh, my gosh. Congratulations. Face to face.

I'm so happy for you guys. Thanks, Caitlin. Good to see you. So good to see you. You're in L.A. Yeah. I just got in yesterday. I literally landed.

I had my last Nashville show for broadcasting and then, like, wanted to say thank you to everyone who had helped me. So I took everybody out and I had to dip early because I was like, I'm going to get up at five and go dance for the whole day. So I landed yesterday and went straight to the dance studio and just, like, got my ass kicked. Okay. So you're in L.A. right now. I mean, Caitlin, I'm, like, stressed by how much do you have to travel? And especially since I read that recently, you felt like you had to talk to yourself out of a panic attack on a five-hour flight. So that's never fun.

My sister has been going through something where she's been having a lot of panic attacks. And especially they hit on flight. And you get so claustrophobic and you have like nowhere to turn. I mean, how are you keeping up with this travel schedule of yours? And you know what's funny? Remember like a year ago on our show? You were like everywhere.

Like you told everybody you were like, this is the year that I'm going to relax now. Yeah, I remember that. Because I wasn't going to start that I can't do anything else. I remember that. Yeah, that was a really, really cute joke I made on your show. Yeah, I honestly have to take everything day by day. It's crazy.

It's, I always am so open about, because usually when I go through my, like, hormones, hormones. It's like clockwork every month for me that I'm going to get depressed, that I'm going to get anxious. And if I add all the things I have going on, if I don't just like take it day by day or sometimes, hour by hour. It really just piles up. And that's what I had to do just like to get on that plane yesterday to come to L.A. I was like, oh, no, this feels like one of those times where I'm like, I could easily panic or I could easily go into like a really bad place because I have so much going on and I'm so tired. And I was coming off and getting sick. And I honestly just had to like have a little like check in with myself. I made sure I had, I bring peppermint oils with me on the

plane. I have like my headset where I listen to a flight meditation. I'm sure I'm just like set up for success now on a plane in case I feel that way. And it's it's tricky. But yeah, I felt that way. And then you know, I actually ended up dancing for five hours yesterday with anxiety, which I don't know how I did that. But it's like I came home and I needed to decorate my hotel room with Christmas decorations to make myself feel better. Wait, that's so cute. We're watching her right now. she's got blue Christmas lights going around the canopy of her bed. How is at least predictable with your cycle? Yes.

It's extremely like I said clockwork. I write it down. I have an app. I track everything. I can literally, I've got it down to a science of like when I'm going to feel this way. And I'm so happy doing what I'm doing that it like almost balances out because it's not like I'm doing things where I'm like, why am I doing this to myself?

Why am I putting myself in these situations? Why am I overworking myself? I get into that dance studio and I'm like, how lucky am I right now? Like, this is a dream coming true. And it helps because I'm just so happy to be there. So, I mean, because this is a great topic because so many even coming off for the last couple of years, like how do you typically process through this then? I mean, because Caitlin, your life hasn't slowed down.

And then as you said, you said, so I'm an introvert and something for me, if I'm, and I've been in this where you're on a flight, you've been gone from home for three weeks every place you go has a new demand and a new kind of mind switch you have to get to you get tired uh it feels like things pile up and then like you said then last nights people are wanting to take you out the dinner or take out the party which is great because they love you and they want to celebrate you but it's one more thing and so how are you keeping yourself from like going into the extreme and crashing and burning here i have learned to say no i mean i have to prioritize my health I know what that feels like to get on a plane.

And if I'm hung over and have anxiety, it is game over for me. So I need to like prioritize my mental health, know what like sleep. I function on sleep. So I know I need to get eight hours. Last night when I was done, some people were like going to dinner or I want to see Tation because we've been to see each other. And I'm like, I have to put myself first and say, no, I'm going to go get my room. calm and cozy and light a candle and I'm going to try and sleep for like as many hours as I can

to just like recharge my batteries because I weirdly enough I am an introvert and an extrovert and I love being alone and I love having the time to myself and I just I kind of have both in me and so I need to know when I'm like having the energy to be an extrovert and when I don't and need to recharge my batteries because I'm just like, like it's one or the other. Now, you said that it can affect your relationship with Jason a lot of times because he has to deal with these moods of yours. What has been an example just because, like,

we like to get into the dirt here, like of a really bad fight you've had, but you knew it was just because of the, like, the state that you were in that week. Oh, that's a really, I, that's the scary part is I don't even know if it was something specific. Like, I don't know if I can pin me. point like oh this was what the fight was over but jason and i are actually really good fighters like like when we fight it's like i i am emotional and i do react with emotion and i always say he reacts with logic but like he's actually tapped into his more emotional side which is nice because then he can understand more where i'm coming from instead of just being like i need to fix

this what do i need to do you're being like unreasonable He's like, okay, is it like at a time where you're feeling anxiety, like, how could I help? And then we'll like get to the root of the issue. And so it's not always like that. But when I am really like in a low place of anxiety, I think he just knows to not take things personal. And that's also something that I need to work on. I just like bark things when I'm in a mood and I'm just like, like I'll just snap back and I'll be like, Caitlin, it's stronger than me. It's stronger than me.

And I think he knows that. And there's just a lot of forgiveness in that time of the month. But it's, I'm trying to think of a specific fight. I think it was like more, I know what it is. Jason doesn't like if he feels like someone is demanding from him. Like he's totally fine. If I asked him politely to do something, he would do it a second. If I seem demanding, he's going to bark back at me.

And it's going to turn into something. that was absolutely nothing because he doesn't like feeling that way. I feel like that's what was our probably last big fight. That makes sense. Well, we, Caitlin, we just mentioned, and thank you for sharing all that. Also, Ben, you're so cute because I just like went on a rant there and I don't even know if I was making sense. And I went on for song. You're like, that makes perfect sense. I'm like, did it? It does make sense. You're good at this. You're good at talking, Caitlin. It's a gift that you have. Surprise of the world. But talking about things you're up to. We're going to get through a lot of them here in this time that we have with you. But Dance with the Stars live tour 22 is something you're going to participate in. Tickets are on sale now to purchase tickets and get the full list of tour dates. Please visit dwtsstor.com VIP packages, giving fans a chance to purchase premium tickets pre-show,

question and answer passes exclusive merchandise and photo opportunities will be available through dance with the stars tour dot com that was really good i thought i was going to have to say all that but you just thank you yeah i got you i got you there Caitlin with the dancing with the stars tour coming off of your off the vine tour have you ever like thought i'm just going to say no like i'm just not going to do it or are you like very excited every time good question um there are times where i'm like why did i do this to myself i'm going to be an actual wreck and i've got too much going on my body is like shutting down on me but like with dancing it's so different for me because this is genuinely something i like that made me happy my whole life dancing

was something that helped my i had oCD when i was little to the max it was nuts it helped me with OCD. It helped me with anxiety. It helped me with my parents' divorce. It helped me go through so many things in my life because I truly loved to do it. And when I kind of got to a point in my career of dance where I was like, I'm really not good enough. Like it's only so much to love what you do, but I'm really not at the level where I can do this as a career. So for me to actually go back and be able to go on dancing with the stars, win the mirror ball, I thought that was, I was like, okay, there you go. Proof to myself, I am good enough. I'm a dancer. And I thought I would never be able to dance again.

So when they brought up an opportunity of tour, I'm like, this is literally what 12-year-old Caitlin was working towards in her whole life was going to be on a tour bus and dance in front of crowds with a bunch of professional dancers. And there's no way in hell I could say no to that. And although I'm going to be so tired and I hate that I have to be away from Jason and the dogs for this long, I'm going to look back on this. And like, it's just going to be the most rewarding thing in the world to me. I was going to say, like, if you were going to ever say no to anything, it just could not be this one.

Exactly. Like, if they were like, Caitlin, do you want to take over on the generous show? I'd be like, I might have to take a need. I am tired. Dancing, absolutely. Oh, man, I can't wait until next year we talked to you again. We're like, Katie, remember you said you're not going to do the talk show? Well, jokes on you.

Oh, my God. There's an opening at all. So it's like an actual possibility. There you go. Well, the good news is I don't. I don't think I am qualified for the LL position. She can, like, bring in, like, Ryan Reynolds to take over. They're not, that's a, that's a level A Canadian.

I'm, like, down on the D level. No, I don't think you're on D. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect.

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The last few weeks of this season of The Bachelorette are airing right now. you're finishing your second full season as the host of a co-host of The Bachelorette. Was it difficult for you at all at any point? Did you feel prepared for this? No, I didn't feel prepared for that role in any way, shape, or form. I, of course, love hosting. I do it on my podcast every day, but that's like me being me, and it's my platform, and I'm able to just, you know, talk about anything.

I mean anything on there. and it'll go, stepping into a role where you are responsible to carry a show and be a professional and read a teleprompter and be able to, you know, deliver these, like, iconic lines that don't belong to you. I felt so scared. One, because I didn't know what my role was going to be when we first went into it. I was like, oh, we're just going to mentor show up for a couple dates. Like, I'll probably get to go home in the middle of it, come back, like maybe be there for the finale. I don't know. I didn't know I was going to be handing out a final rose. I didn't know I was going to be hosting up there on stage for the men tell all. Like, we had no idea what we were

doing. So going into the second season, I did feel a little more prepared. But again, I have this like imposter syndrome where I feel like the fraud police are going to be called. And I'm going to go like, somebody's going to be like, you can't do this role. This is not your role. And like, you know, and the internet has there are things that they are going to say about it that might even convince me. I'm like, do I deserve to be here? Because it is such an important, huge iconic role that's been, you know, Chris Harrison has been that face for so long. And so I definitely get imposter syndrome, but I also love doing it so much. And it's, it's something that I feel like, you know, every year I want to do, I want to try and be better at everything that I do and to step into a role

like that. And I'm trying to think of it as like, it's just a different perspective. It's, I'm not trying to be Chris Harrison. I'm not trying to be like that host. I'm trying to just be Caitlin that has knowledge and insight and a different perspective to help the Bachelorette just thrive in her role. Well, I do want to ask a follow-up question of that though. Tell us more about this. So I mean, Caitlin, your resume over the last five years as is as impressive as anybody's entertainment. You're the Bachelorette. You have a top 10 podcast. You've been, You received so many accolades for that. You step in then to dance with stars.

You win the mirror ball. You leave Dancing with the Stars. You become the co-host of The Bachelorette for two seasons, successfully doing it well. Stepping into that role. Now you're going to go on tour. You just finished another podcast here. I mean, Caitlin, the list. You've got engaged.

But I'm talking to entertainment. Yet you still speak to this imposter syndrome. Can you tell us more about that? I know. I always do that. dive into this with my friends in Nashville who are country singers where they are like the best of the best so talented they've been singing their whole life and they get up there on stage and think like why me and how did I get here and like they have those thoughts and I'm like but what you were

literally born to do this and that's what they say to me they're like you were born to do this and I always have to think back like to when I was little I would walk around and I would want to host and interview people all the time. I was little. It was like something that I love to do. I love getting to know people. I loved interviewed them. I love being interviewed. I thought it was just so much fun. And so I'm trying to remind myself like, this is where I'm supposed to be and I need to stop having the imposter syndrome because I would not wish that on anyone. And I have so many listeners from the podcast or people reach out on Instagram where they're so afraid to go after what they want to do because they don't think they would succeed or they aren't good enough.

And, you know, I've been there, I felt that as a dancer. But I think, you know, it's just that saying of like, you would have so much more regret and what's worse if you go do something that you're going to step outside your comfort zone or take a big opportunity or leap and do something that you love to do, wouldn't you rather, quote unquote, fail, which only means you're going to grow from it or would you rather have regret. And so I just keep telling myself that over and over, like, just like, of course, somebody's always going to be more qualified for the job or better than you in certain ways, but you're going to be where you are for a reason and you have to just, like, marinate in that

and be like, I'm here and I'm doing this right now. And if I fail or if it doesn't work out or say the bachelor, it doesn't want me anymore, I did it. I tried. I learned. I grew so much from that experience. And you got to take that and go to the next thing. I love that because regret is like one of the worst feelings that you could almost always avoid having. Yes. So true. Okay. Okay.

Let's get into like a little bit of the Bachelor relationships right now. You watch Katie and Blake get engaged and like let's be honest now that they broke up. Did you really feel like that was going to be a long term thing? Because watching that finale, I didn't feel it. okay i don't know because i i agree watching the finale i was like the way it happened to get there didn't feel right because you're like oh did she really want blake or did people drop out and then that's who she ended up with like because i want to propose yeah and it kind of felt like a joke almost to that like it was kind of like he was like i f and love you and she's like i f and love you and then it was

like it was like he was going to tease her like maybe i won't propose and maybe i will it was like keeping her on her toes and i was like that doesn't feel romantic but i will say that knowing katie and hanging out with her after like they were solid and they were so good and i was actually like they could work um i don't know what the heck happened i still like i want i've wanted to just sit down and talk to her for so long, but I mean, we're both busy. But I still don't know what happened because I really thought, okay, it's going to be challenging for them with him gone and, you know, going to different places and she's in Seattle and then she's moving and she's always out and about and he was, you know, really passionate about what

he was doing. I was like, that's going to be really tricky. I've done long distance before. But, you know what? I actually thought they would make work. I was wrong. The couple other relationships in Bachelor Nation, obviously. we're in the midst of Michelle's season right now.

This group of guys seem to be a great group of guys. You're there in person around them. First question is how much interaction did you actually get to have with these guys during this season? Yeah, not a ton. I mean, again, you want to keep it professional. So you want, because when we come in for these moments, like it's so serious.

Like, I have a hard time because I always smile when I talk. And so in these moments, I have to remember, like, these people's emotions are so invested. And this is real. Obviously, we've all been there and we know how real it is. And so you want to keep it. So, you know, I'm not just shooting this with, you know, Nate or something and then have to go in and he's like, oh, there's Caitlin. Like, you want it to be real and serious. And, like, I want Michelle to get to know them the best.

And I don't want to, you know, have my opinion of them jade hers or get in the way of anything. So our interaction is very little. We, you know, if we pass by in the hallway, hey, how's it going? But not a lot because we really want Michelle to form her own relationships and opinions. And I'm such a loudmouth and you know me. I could talk for hours to a wall. And if I knew anything about these guys too much, I would want to just tell her everything. So are you able to get like, do you feel like you're able to get a reasonable judge of character on these guys then through the process?

Are you that much separated where you're kind of like, hey, I'm just going to let Michelle fill me in when she wants to fill me in and I'll get a little updates here and there? It's kind of a mixture of both because obviously when we're on the date, we really see them and how they interact and they'll talk to us and we're part of the date. So that's different. And you can really get a good read of character on the date. because you're seeing also when the cameras just aren't on them and when like you're just there watching and getting a judge of character for all of these guys. But other than that, we do let Michelle, I mean, that's one of the different, most difficult parts for me being in this position is wanting to just be such a good friend and be like, hey, send that guy home.

I know too much. So you really have to like keep it, you know, I guess separate and let her figure things out. But you do get a good judge of character for sure. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect.

And want to hear people with mental illness, psycho babble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. your free iHeartRadio app search emergency intercom and listen now my name is ed everyone say hello ed from a very rural background myself my dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin so like it's not like what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club i know it sounds like the start of a bad joke but that really was my reality nine years ago i just normally do straight stand-up but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Get fired up, y'all. Season two of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon,

Megan Rapino, to the show, and we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, co-hosting a podcast with her fiancé Sue Bird, watching former teammates retire and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final.

And the locker room. I really, really, like, you just, you can't replicate. You can't get back. Showing up to locker room every morning just to shit talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar A.Z. Fudd. I mean, seriously, y'all. The guest list is absolutely stacked for season two.

And, you know, we're always going to keep you up to speed and all. the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship.

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Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So then going into the finale with Brendan and Nate, did you expect those two to be there? Did you expect Joe to be eliminated this week? And was there one that you were rooting for harder than the other? Honestly, I was shocked that Joe went home because we saw that, like, connection where she used the word soulmate. and she really like it was a slow buildup but they got there it wasn't like they didn't get there and the way she was telling him like i could see you i could really see this working for us and i'm falling for you and that soulmate material like i was really surprised because again

we chatted on that beach and i was like this is going to be one of the hardest things for her even though she's just so confident in her decisions and when she makes them She's like, I'm solid. But I was like, I would be a wreck because she genuinely like loved all three of these guys. And Joe to me, I thought was almost in my mind. I'm like, was he the one that got away? Because they were pretty special together. Okay.

So I'm not sure what happens in the end and whatnot. But when Joe was eliminated. Hey, I wait a time out. Kayla, just tell me that you can really tell that Ashley's very excited about this topic. Because all of a sudden, her arms start waving. She starts talking faster. she's so excited to bring you this question i just want to i'm so excited it's more of a comment but like i just watched that exit and i thought like okay this actually may not be over this might be one of

those situations where she goes back to joe at the end of all this and maybe not immediately i'm not saying like on the finale but like down the road especially since they're from the same place it was okay when i left paradise the first time my sister was down there for the first like couple days so she knew that jared and i definitely like there was like something about him and so when i got on the phone with her in the car when i was eliminated or like when i was you know decided we all decided that it was time for me to go home uh she was like i don't think this is over and that's kind of what i felt like with jo and the shell okay well i'm not going to say anything um but i'm not going to say anything um but i

I, too, was like, I don't know. Here's my, my worry is she had such strong connections with so, with the three guys so hard that I, I'm like, in whatever decision she makes, I hope she feels solid in that decision because all three of those guys seemed right for her. Isn't it weird how that happens? Just people, it's crazy how you can like fall from more than one person at. one time it's weird remember when you we just got absolutely on for doing that and now we're all doing it yeah we're all doing it we're all doing it now oh my god okay that made me think about

clayton because we all know that clayton is having he's saying it as something to three girls how did you like clayton and do you know why they picked him to be the bachelor because you've actually met him because we're still a little confused. Have you guys not met him yet? No. Oh, okay. So I really like Clayton. I don't think we got to see enough of him on Michelle's season and that was very confusing

because if you're going to make him the next bachelor, we want to know why. And I definitely don't think they showed enough. I do remember him and I remember going into the rooms at certain times to like drop off a date card or see how the guys were feeling. and he was always one that really spoke up about his emotions and his feelings and he was just very in tune with himself and he was very open about his securities and he just seems like a very passionate guy with a really big heart and so other options I would have gone for yeah for sure but I do think Clayton season is going to be credible but you know a lot of times it's the women that that can really pull the show too and i think he's got some like entertaining ones in there so uh i don't know i i am rooting for him because he does seem like such a good human um but yeah i got very triggered when he's like i was intimate with more than one i was like uh oh

there we go gosh dang it when that happens i hate it when that happens kately 2.0 um well kately the last few minutes we have with you i do have because you've now been involved um you were uh the bachelor at during my time on the show um and for that i've i've always been very happy and thankful and i remember you and i once having a conversation uh it was i believe it was the night in the fantasy suite and you just said hey life changes a lot for like when you're the bachelorette like when you when you're on the cast it's crazy and like get a couple phone calls you've been a couple podcast interviews then you become the bachelorette and like i remember just being like like I you're just saying like I don't know how I'm going to handle this and then I became

the bachelor not knowing and like really related with that like hey I have no clue what to do here so the question I want to ask is as you walk through these stages how has the show evolved now that you are hosting it you have seen the ins and out you've interacted with the fans how's the show evolved since you started it and now that you're hosting it oh my gosh and I've seen it evolve in crazy crazy ways whether that's talking about biracial relationships mental health, suicide, eating disorders, putting more people of color on the show, talking more about like women empowerment, like so many things have changed on the show since I was on it.

And it's really crazy because you do like obviously actors and actresses like they work towards roles. We don't work towards this role. We get thrown into it overnight. Don't know what the heck TV is about editing, getting miced up. like we don't know anything we're so naive and then we kind of get chewed up and spit out and it's such a weird world to navigate um and i did i've gone through phases with the show where i you know didn't support it or i didn't know what i wanted to do with it or if i wanted to remove myself and there's so

many different feelings that have gone on between myself and the show but we're in a good place now but i will say just thinking about even like the slut shaming and the the just shame i felt being intimate with more than one person on the show and as a woman and now we're celebrating that almost you know i don't know how it's going to go for clayton i'm here if he needs to talk through anything but you know hannah brown was celebrated for having sex four times in a windmill and some people were like does that bother you that like you didn't get that i'm like no if i open up any doors for that to be talked about and and celebrated i'm so happy but i mean that show has evolved in in so many important ways, whether, like I said, just putting, you know, even just

shapes, sizes and colors being, like, represented on the show. And I love that they're talking about mental health. That was never, you know, like, we never talked about that on the show before, not to this extent anyways. So I'm really proud to be a part of it and where it's at right now. Before you leave, we have to talk a little wedding planning, so let's do a speed round. Help me. Okay. All right. So speed round. Who would choreograph your first dance from dancing with the stars if you had to pick one person? Artem Chig Vincent. Okay. That's kind of obvious. Will your first dance be elaborate like that? I kind of want it to. Like that would be so me. Like just do this grand waltz. Yes. I actually do. I really want to do that. Yeah. Cool.

poor jason no i think that's awesome he loves it he loves it what's the one thing that you and jason disagree on when it comes to wedding uh i think i know what it is is it cost you budget for sure yeah mr finance over there gosh okay uh do you see the wedding being in 2022 or 2022 2022. Okay. Ben, do you have any? What would be your ideal dinner for all the guests? Oh my gosh. That's actually something I'm panicking about because like you've got my mom who's deathly allergic to garlic. My stepdad's allergic to shellfish. I've like, it's everybody's

got something with food and I'm like, I don't know what to do. And that stresses me out. The food stresses me out. Okay. Final question for you. Take one. out of the consideration. It cannot be used here. What is your cocktail of choice wedding day and wedding night? Ooh, like a French 75. A what? A what? You know what a French 75 is? No. Oh, it's so good. Oh, it's so like European. Okay, so it's champagne with a little bit of gin and I better look this up Lyme juice and lemon

I'm looking this up French 75 I've never heard of it Caitlin you are educating me lemon juice that's okay it's French 75 is a cocktail made from gin champagne lemon juice and sugar it's also called a 75 cocktail

yeah it dates to World War I a bar in Paris a bar in Paris it's very like it's super chic. Hey, that kind of goes with your gas-be theme because I know that you guys are still kind of stuck on that. I'm so stuck on it.

And I love like just nice champagne. There you go, Caitlin. We could talk to you for hours. We could. We could. Caitlin, again, before you go, you just finished your tour of Off the Vine for your Off the Vine podcast.

It was wildly successful. Congratulations on that. We will be able to watch you if you're a fan of Caitlin or a fan of anything that Caitlin does, you can go and visit online at dance with the stars.com. It's actually dwtsstor.com. You can get tickets to the Dance With the Stars live tour 2020. Caitlin Bristair will be there.

It's going to be great. Caitlin, anything to add that we've missed about the tour? It's just, it's going to be so much fun. I want everybody to follow along on Instagram because I'm going to be living that tour bus life. and there's going to be some shenan that go down and I am like a prankster and people are going to be annoyed with me. But I do want to say before I go,

Ashley, you look beautiful and I'm so happy for you and I just can't wait to meet this baby and congrats on the lounge. Why am I blanking on the name? It starts with the name. Audrey, it's my mom's name. But we need to get Span and Sparrow there

and we've been a little bit in touch with your person there, but we've got to get in touch with more so. Okay, I am so down. And Ben, congratulations. tell Jess I say hi she looked absolutely stunning on your wedding day and it was just I'm so sad I couldn't be there hey I totally get it um thank you for that what the wedding day I will tell you Caitlin uh is everything I hoped it would be it's incredible it's fun soak it in enjoy it

uh and finally if you need any tour bus tips I just got off the tour bus last year for uh yeah the live tell me everything um well don't take a poop on the on the bus that ruins everything for everybody and and get really used to taking like dramamine because trying to sleep while you're driving down the road is not as easy as you would think oh see I thought it would be like soothing no no no just wait till you hit a little bump and you bounce three inches off your bed it ain't great Caitlin but hey it's a blast it's so much fun I did it with Ezra Sosa who was on dancing with with the stars this year.

Yeah, he's a bit. Yeah, so he every night, Caitlin, would do a little dance number for us in the, like, living room of the bus when we got off the, and it was spectacular. Like, those memories are the best. So have fun. We love you, Caitlin. Keep up the good work. Love you, bye.

Talk to you soon. Love you, bye. Thank you for having me. See, Caitlin. Of course. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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