The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous In Depth: Mykenna Dorn

Episode Date: March 23, 2023

You first met Mykenna Dorn on Peter Weber’s season of The Bachelor, but there is so much more to Mykenna than what you saw on TV! Ashley goes IN DEPTH to learn how the experience of the show changed Mykenna’s life… for the better or the worse. She shares some memories from Paradise that didn’t make the final cut, and we hear if a wedding might be coming for her and her new boyfriend!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your book. This is Ben and Ashley I almost famous in depth. Hello everyone. Welcome to the almost famous podcast. Today, it is just me and McKenna, who you guys know, McKenna Dorn, who you know from Peter's season. Can't believe how long it's been since you were on The Bachelor. It is, it's wild to me to think back, like, he filmed it in 2019 and I I mean also with you know the pandemic I think it feels like 20 years ago yeah you you guys just had the perfect timeline it your season ended up wrapping right around the time like wrapping wrapping like with the finale and everything now it was March I remember I was in

LA and then like I flew home and the world shut down like it was bizarre it's crazy how craziness your season um to me is one of like the last like really really memorable ones with a really memorable cast you had so many top girls yeah a lot of great girls how do you do you keep up with anyone from the show now like who are your besties from the show because if four years removed like as much as you think you're going to be best friends forever you usually just keep a handful around which is sad but true yeah i pretty much just talk to like kelsey and kelly and then there's another girl named savannah that i i talk to from my season so yeah but you don't watch the bachelor anymore correct no no i don't to tell us why um i don't i think

being on it i was a huge fan of the show too and i don't know being on it just and this like the season that i was on and i don't know i think i just like i can't watch it gets me anxiety for some reason like i just i just can't watch it anymore um yeah i don't know there's just it just doesn't interest me in a way that I used to. Did you stop right away or did it just give you some? Yeah, I haven't watched. I haven't watched the full either. I think I've watched a couple episodes here and there.

But yeah, I have not watched from the beginning to the end. And it used to be like, I used to watch it with my family, with my friends. And now I just go on with my Monday nights. So, okay, well, I know that you've been really open on social media about how much the show gave you anxiety and it really kind of crushed yourself esteem to a certain degree. I'm sure that that plays a role in you not watching anymore. Yeah, yeah. It was just a really, I think the Bachelor and then going on like, like, Paraly. I remember like last time I was on your podcast, it was before I went on Paradise. Yeah. Like, go for it. Go have fun. Like go. I'm so sorry because what happened

to you was devastating. I'm so sorry. I like hug out a room for two weeks and then I went out and I was last. McKenna, my memory from you being on Paradise was just you showing up to one of those parties as like one of the other girls like there to mix and mingle. Yeah, I went to the party and then went back to my room and they're like, you did great. We're just going to keep you here for another week in a bit. Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. What year was that? Was that the year that Chris and Crystal got married? No, that was like, no, no, that was before. Yeah, that was before the pandemic. Yeah. okay christina oh serena and joe so just like recently yeah that was the first paradise season back

after the pandemic i believe right because we skipped a year yeah because there's a bunch there was like mat season my season everyone's a bunch of different people well i'm sorry to put you back in that situation if i had anything to do with it it's all good what was it about the show just to get deep here for a second that you really thought messed with you do you think that it was the filming portion or the after effect and the social media and all that which one had a heavier effect on you it was i think the filming i think the two on one was really difficult for me um and that just like the last thing i want to do is like get in like an argument with someone like kind of like yell and like i think that was just really like took a lot out of me and then to

watch it over and to like be portrayed in that way and then read online and I think just like I don't know I think I look back and I'm like I wish I didn't do it. I also I was 22 so yeah like I still am I was just so young and I think I like I had a couple too many drinks and like all the stuff and I think it just it's just really hard for me to look back at it and watch it like I have not watched it since. Like, I won't allow my boyfriend to watch it. I'm like, he's seen some clips on YouTube, but, um, but I don't know. I think it's just, it's just a hard chapter for me to, like, think back to. And the editing, um, not the editing, um, not the editing, but just like watching it with the TV and then people's comments and just all of that was just like all,

the whole shebang. The whole mixture of it all. So, well, it's interesting that you say that your age played into it. I know it's kind of like cliche at this point for me to be like, oh my age, everybody's so young, are we so young? But like if we look to look at science and biology, your frontal lobe, that decision making part of your brain isn't fully developed until you're 26, 27. And it definitely plays a role in like what you do when you're on TV in those high stake situations and these really overly emotional situations when you're not getting enough sleep and all of that. So do you think there should be like kind of, do you think they should up the age requirement? Because right now it's 21, but maybe just like for like the mental

health sick and just like knowing yourself, you know, like just knowing yourself and having like this sort of self-esteem that you get with age, maybe really beneficial. I was, yeah, I was, I was, I felt like I knew myself. I, you know, I feel like when you're 20 to, you're like, I think I know me. I know this. And yeah. I just, I feel like I just turned 20. I feel like I am starting to really get myself now and like I'm in like my first like long term relationship and like just like growing through all of that. And I think being on the show at 22, I was like, you know, I was I was really insecure and I let like I compared myself to a lot of these, you know, the girls there. And that affected me. And I think I went in like, I'm going to have

fun. Like that still is my personality today. I'm all about having fun. But I think I just like how like there was too much of that. I couldn't really just like get my feelings into one and just um like sit down with him and have a good conversation. Like I think I was just constantly like anxious about everything that was going on. Um, yeah, I just yeah, I think they definitely should up it up a bit like. I could never imagine being on the show at 22. At 22, I was like over analyzing eye contact from Joe Jonas from the stage. Okay. 26 is when I went on and it's just about the age that I think is perfect. I really do think that 26 is probably like if I had to have the perfect bachelor starting age,

it would probably be 26. Okay. Well, you do have a boyfriend now, a long-term relationship. You say your first of sorts. It's been over a year. Yeah, it's for a year and a half now. We just moved in together in January. I saw the move on social.

Yeah, yeah. Things have been really good. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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And my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not, like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different.

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podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. So you kind of kept them secret first. You weren't showing his face. You weren't telling much. Yeah, my boyfriend Lyndon, he is just a very, like, he doesn't post on social media. He's, he's an engineer. He's, you know, very, like, private with his life, you know, just with his friends and his family. And I think I just, I really wanted to respect that.

Like, he just didn't, you know, even today, we don't, I don't really post much of him on, online, you know, like, that's my thing. And like, I like to be very open, but not everyone likes to be very open, right? So, um, yeah, but I waited a bit. I think part of it was a little bit of a teasing thing. It was kind of just fun to just, like, continue to do like the little soft launches, the back of his head, like, his hand. Like, it's just fine. I did it for six months. And then I was like, boom, this is him. And, yeah. So how'd you guys meet? it's a fun story um yeah yeah so it was back in it was actually like two months well i guess it was just it was october 2021 so it was just like after paradise so everything worked out at the

end everything worked out um it was saturday night i was like having a bath and my one of my good friends was like it's a girl's night come out and i was like you know what no i'm having a bath like I'm not going out tonight like no there's not I'm not really going out type of person anyways but she convinced me we're out we go to this restaurant we go to another restaurant and one of her friends was newly single and was sitting up a dating profile and I was like you know what I actually just made him on last week like I'm just going to I'm going to check mine and see what's happening and I had someone reply linden my boyfriend and we had a very brief conversation He said he was downtown.

I said I was downtown. I said I was at this restaurant. And then he said, I'm at this restaurant. So we were sitting at the same restaurant. What in the effing world? That's awesome. That's a great meat cute. Yeah.

So it was very brief. I was actually just leaving when I got his message that he said that he was there. So he came outside. We said hi real quick. And then two days later, we went on a date. And yeah. that is so fate-like yeah so how is it living together now your first live-in boyfriend it's been good it definitely is a transition i mean i've i've never had a sister so i've never had to like share in that

kind of sense i never had a roommate like i just oh you've never had a roommate yeah i lived with myself and then you go into living with a boyfriend wow give us all the dirt no seriously tell us what's annoying. I realized yesterday while organizing, like we were away, I was away for on and off two weeks. I popped home for like two nights in between that. And I was unpacking for basically two weeks. It took me like five hours to organize the house. And I was like, I'm realizing that I will never have that perfect Instagram organized house because I'm married to someone who doesn't have that priority. You know what the opposite is? My boyfriend is very clean and organized. Like, that organized like organizers in the drawers type oh yeah i am definitely the little the bestier one

and i have a lot of clothes i have taking we have a guest room we have an office i have every closet in there um he has one closet upstairs i feel you i have all the closets he is very clean like he is very so we actually have a pretty clean house here but he actually works at a town during the week so i'm pretty much here by myself during the week and then he comes home on the weekends um so it's like we're like living together but like half of the month and then like half a month or not but it's kind of a slow transition that's good um but i think it's been great i mean i think it's just kind of learning like whose role is what in a sense of like who does this who does that like like in like the home you know like our responsibilities in a sense so who does

what tell me um i mean i i'm here most of the time so like I pretty much like I'm always like I clean up I make I sure like everything's like vacuum and stuff but when he's home I'm like you clean this bathroom I'm back in everything else um I mean I make him do like all like the outside work like yeah on everything like yeah you can do it a house yeah we live in like a house we're like a friend yard and stuff so I make him do all that and when he's here he does all the garbage one not like the kind of that yeah it's really it's kind of a little gender role but I get it when when he told him we're pretty we're pretty equal and everything like if someone that person cleans like the other person cleans and yeah opposite away around and um I think we have it pretty like pretty good I think just learning in the like in the beginning just like who should do like I'm mostly here so like I do keep things just clean but I mean when he's here I'm like you can clean all the bathrooms please I love it.

Yeah. All right. Let's talk about your work for a little bit because you have been a full-time content creator for the past four years since you've been on the show. Yeah. You crank it out. You do a great job with engagement. How do you go about when people say they don't know you're on the show, they go,

what do you do for work? What do you say? Because it's always the most awkward for me to be like, um, I have like, if they have no idea what's up, I just say that like I've been like, advertising and marketing yeah it's kind of like what i'll usually say like if i'm a dentist and they're like what do you do for work i'm um i do content creation you know like instagram like that kind of thing even with my boyfriend i was like yeah like i um yeah i think he definitely learned a lot because i think like he was someone doesn't post online and then you know like you

have those kind of like you kind of think oh an influencer they're going to be like this like this and you got to know me and what i do and he's like oh it's a lot more there's a lot more there's a lot more to it than I didn't know um but yeah it's been it's been really great it's been fun like lots of great opportunities through it and um I love interacting with people online and getting to show like more me instead of you know on the show like you you're kind of you only get shown what is shown um so I feel like I've gotten to just be myself online and people get to know more layers you know My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes.

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The Deva of the People. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. That's us.

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What's like your day to day? And like, every day is so different. Can you describe your every day? Yeah. I mean, like you said, everything is different. I have an assistant. So, you know, she comes over. We tackle emails. I talk to my agent. We kind of go over things that are on deadlines that need to be done or contracts need to be signed. You know, with social media nowadays, you have to constantly make content too. Like, you know, there's reals. There's TikTok. There's so many going on. So you have to kind of be on it. So you have to constantly produce that content to put out there. you know where a lot of the money comes from is like sponsors is like sponsorships or maybe you want to create your own thing um or you have your own blog like there's like i'm like kind of in the process of creating my own like site and like adding more details to just you know instagram or tic talk and all that so there's definitely a lot more um stuff you see like behind the scenes that

people maybe don't understand, you know, dealing with your taxes and all, like, all those fun things. I know. It's like, it's a business. So there's like a lot of like administrative work that you also have to do. Yeah. You have to be like on top of it. Like, you know, you work for, like you basically work for yourself. So you have to like, you know, receipts and like, oh yeah. Invoices and all that stuff. So there's a lot more to it than I think just snapping a photo or creating a video, you know. Yeah. And not to mention with the whole real sitch everything is kind of a production influencers don't get away with just like the taking a picture a cute picture and like selecting the best out of like 20 taken it's like that's like making a little mini film yeah i don't that i'm sitting on my phone and i'm editing

and i'm making sure things are like you know like it's not you got to film and then you got to edit it and then you got to post it and there's there's so many different layers and i think i think people are slowly getting to know it better, I think, especially with there's more platforms now, not just Instagram and it's not just photo taking. There's more to it, which is nice to see. Yeah, it is. I feel you. I feel you. And I think you described it well. Yeah. But how do you get off your phone? Like, I've been struggling with this lately. I feel like I'm constantly doing something on my phone, whether it's taking the footage, editing it in, in like dialogue with through message, what I need to do, what I need to get done, where I got to post things, and then just

like kind of like keeping up with your followers and just like communicating with them. So like, how do you, do you find yourself just being like, wow, I'm looking at a screen way too much. I've got to live in the real world, especially, I mean, I know this sounds also like, wow, first world problem. But like a lot of times when you're going out and you're doing something, you're like, how much do you have to document? Yeah. I definitely have gotten better. I feel like having those healthy balances. My boyfriend is definitely one person to thank for that because he, like when he's home on the weekends, like that's kind of quality time.

So I don't see him. I try my best, put my phone away. And if I am snapping a photo or video here, I won't look at it. I won't edit it until like later in the evening or Monday. Like I just kind of put that time inside or, you know, if I do a trip of my friend, I will, you know, set time aside to do that or I'll just do a little. like everything at the end like when I get home like kind of give people a recap in a sense like I just if I take something I kind of give myself a break to put my phone down and do something else like

make myself something to eat like just because I felt like mentally it really affected me like constantly being on my phone because it is very draining and especially if you're you know reading comments or watching other videos or you're comparing yourself to someone or there's it really does take a lot of you so having those healthy balances and just allowing yourself to go outside for fresh air for a walk too is so important yeah i wanted to ask because it's not just an influencer thing it's just i feel like all of us yeah we can't disconnect from work a lot and it's so much different now than it was in different generations you know where it's like we they used to just you know on the weekend they left their computer bye won't see an email or won't see anything until

the next day but I feel like we're just like so easy to reach and just that little it's right at your it's right at your fingertips like you're like oh what's happening on the other side of the world I need to know right exactly yeah it's been getting a little just a little uh it's feeling it's almost being so connected is feeling disconnecting because it's like so many times it's like Jared and I are like oh we have a minute without like Dawson oh we should use this to like catch up on like the phone all the things that we have to look at on the phone all right well so McKenna I mean Are you, what's up next for you? We're going to continue the social thing.

And then we're going to continue with the boyfriend is their marriage talk? I feel like I like, you're still young. Yeah. So young. I like, I like, I bug him about it. Like, I'll just like, like, just like kind of like see where his head's at, you know? Like, um, I feel like, I don't know. I feel like you have to talk about it.

Of course. When you're living together. Yeah. I think we're both kind of in like, we don't want to wait to each other's time you know it's like do we see this okay yeah but like are we ready for it yet no so i think it's just we definitely have conversations i like i love to bug them about it um how do you bug them about it like how do you bring it up you're like still like i love this ring did you see what i pin i'll just be like it's really like oval oval definitely like i'll just like kind of like tease about

that or i don't know my my my my brothers both have little boys and so i i have nephews and And we're always around them. And I'm like, oh, look it. Like, I kind of just, like, love to tease him. But I think we're just enjoying where we're at right now. Okay. All right. Well, good to see you in such a great place.

And we are excited to see what other, like, hashtag Team No Spill content and gets put out there. Thank you. All right. You guys, McKenna, if you want to follow her, the Instagram, your official Instagram is, what's the handle? It's at McKenna. So, M-Y-K-E. and then a and that's it it's on Instagram and TikTok

you just have the at McKenna like how cool are you that you just get your app name it's just your first name it was hard to get but oh you had to get it you had to fight somebody for it yeah there was a profile that had it but they had like 20 followers and it was no zero post

it looked very like inactive and I had a connection that's reached out to like Facebook I guess and got me the name. So it was a little bit of work, but I got it. I was like, I want this. Like, it's not really taken.

Yeah. It's my name. It's a little different spelling, so why not take it? Yeah. All right. Well, thanks, McKenna so much. And as always, we must sign off the way we sign off. Until next time, I've been Ashley.

And I've with McKenna. Woo-woo. Great, bye. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHart Radio, or subscribe. wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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