The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous In Depth: Olivia Caridi

Episode Date: June 26, 2020

After the emotional and heartfelt conversation between Ben and Olivia Caridi on television on Monday, Ben and Ashley wanted to connect with Olivia to go In Depth for the first time in years.Her connection with Ben, first impressions rose, becoming the villain, regrets , triumphs, lessons learned and a genius tip on how to get on the show. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, guys. You know what? COVID has kept us apart for too long, Ashley. It's been a very long time. But you know what's great? we have this thing down pat for when you go back on tour it's going to be so good this distanced recording actually this is an in-depth and i want to set the mood a little bit here okay i am sitting right now in denver colorado there is a storm outside a beautiful storm that we don't get very often uh so it's thundering i'm feeling very uh what i don't want to say is like

very kind of like cozy and like just kind of like not melancholy but just very relaxed because this is the place I want to be right now. Like I really want to be here in on this podcast with you. So I poured myself a glass of wine. I'm drinking a, a stult pan or a stolt man vineyards, Savian Blanc, chilled. It's a 2018, which was a great year, vintage 2018. Ashley, you're going to go get yourself a glass of wine in a second.

Probably a Pinot Noir. Okay. And I know our guest on this week's in depth is, enjoying a glass of wine as well. Before I mentioned her name, I want to introduce her really quick to all of us. Ashley and I are honored, absolutely honored to be talking with somebody who has been the conversation of a lot of people over the last week. She is courageous and she is a trendsetter. She is the host of the Mouthing Off podcast on CBS Radio. She was also a participant on the 20th season of The Bachelor.

Let me say that was a great season. Olivia Creti, welcome to the in-depth podcast with Ashley Nguyen. Cheers. I also love Asavignon Blanc. That's what I have, too. Always must be chilled. It feels like we should just, like, pour our favorite glass of wine or your favorite drink.

If you don't drink alcoholic beverages or you're under the age of 21, pour yourself, like, a sparkling water, kick back. We're just going to hang out. out and talk everything, Olivia, which is going to be really fantastic. Oh, okay. Here we go. Where should we begin? We're going to begin where we usually do.

And that is at the beginning of your childhood. Tell us where you were born and about all the most important members of your immediate family. Yeah. So I was born in New York City in Manhattan, but my parents didn't want to be there. very long because apparently they lived in an apartment complex and my mom had to put knee pads on me because I kept sneaking out of the apartment and like people just kept finding me like in the hallway and so were they leaving the doors open too often? I mean who who knows so they were she was like I can't live here anymore I plus it's too cold so my dad said oh well I know of one place in the

world I've lived my dad went to medical school uh in Austin Texas so kind of blindly they moved me and my sister Paige to Austin and we've been here since 2000 and my dad started his own plastic surgery practice here and we've been quarantined here for what three months now four months now so but yeah we I grew up basically here I would consider played volleyball my whole life that was like my thing my sister and I shared that bond uh what else i mean let's see growing up i was kind of a dork and i was really really overweight and so that really really overweight it was pretty bad yeah like i have a memory my my we moved to Austin when I was in second grade and I made one best friend and then as I was kind of getting

fatter he came up to me in the library one day and said you know I can't I can't be friends with you anymore because people are like laughing because you're fat and I was like ah but then I had the most amazing transformation came back to middle school and I was a fox how did you transform my mom basically put me into sports and was like let me just try anything and it turns out that I really liked volleyball and um of course like as you grow taller you kind of even out a little bit yeah yeah so that was also lucky too like I had a growth spurt where I went from I don't know like five feet to five 10 or whatever and then it kind of evened out but that was definitely like my childhood it was kind of like but it was really fun and yeah high school is great I went to college

at TCU um and was a sorority girl and did broadcast journalism just like you, Ashley. And yeah, I don't know. Then I was a news anchor, as I've talked about, and then I went on The Bachelor. It was great. Have you always been, like, be kind of more extroverted type, more poorly?

No. Well, what's weird is I'm super introverted with people I'm not comfortable with. But, like, with the people I know, I am the loudest, goofiest, weirdest human being on the planet. So I'm just a conundrum. Like, I'll go to a party

and stand in a corner and be really nervous the whole time if it's like a thing where I don't know people but if it's like 10 of my closest friends oh man yeah I'm jumping out of a cake you know it's great yeah you're jumping out of a cake oh yeah that's definitely one of our similarities I'm an introvert extrovert not the jumping out of the cake part but if I'm uncomfortable in an environment it's hard to make me comfortable oh yeah it's it's brutal and And like, I don't ever think I'm that awkward, but, like, I certainly am pretty awkward when I'm uncomfortable. Isn't that funny that you and I have that quality, and yet we got into broadcast journalism

and we liked being on camera? 100%. But it's so weird. It's like, I feel completely myself when I'm on camera, when I'm on a microphone. I mean, I remember I kind of got, like, slapped on the wrist a little bit of my old news station because I would kind of make jokes on air and kind of, like, flirt with my co-anchor. a little bit and like I just felt so good on air but yeah the minute I'm off I'm just like yeah I don't get it I don't know well still figuring it out we're going to skip ahead a little bit

and then backtrack uh yeah this is going to be like the Michael Jordan documentary the timeline's not really going to exist it doesn't make any sense but it doesn't make it yeah but it's still going to get okay uh I've been a super just curious personally after the bachelor Why don't you get back into, like, being on camera as an anchor? I mean, I think it was a combination of things. I honestly was just so terrified of cameras after the fact that I just didn't even want to be anywhere near them. And then I did send my, Ashley, you know, my reel to some news stations. And I was getting, you know, some bites, as we call it.

But then people are like, you're kind of like a PR. nightmare and we don't really think that we can yeah you know I mean I was sitting here thinking everyone's talking about me at least you'd think if you brought me on that your ratings would go up but that's what I was just thinking yeah but apparently people weren't willing to risk that and so yeah I got a lot of that and then at some point I just was like all right maybe this isn't going to happen right now and now it's been what four years four years as Chris Harrison said many times you're a 23 year old anchor you were in southern virginia right yes it was a small market but to be a 23 year old anchor is impressive how did you get that far so fast oh my gosh i mean when i was hired at w cyb which was

uh the station i just was a general assignment reporter so you know i was i had to carry my camera i did everything on my own sweating out there in the field um and then i guess at one point they were looking for a morning weekend news anchor, and they were like, Olivia, do you want to do this? And I said, sure. So yeah, I remember the first newscast, I was shaking the entire time. I probably messed up a gazillion times, but I guess it ended up working out, and then they said, we want to bring you on to the evening news. And I just, I was like, what is happening right now? And then all of a sudden I was filling in for anchors during the week, which, you know, was a huge deal. And, yeah, I really don't, I don't really know.

I developed a great friendship with my news director who really gave me a ton of advice and watched all of my footage and said, hey, you know, you do this weird thing with your eyebrow. You need to stop that. And so we just, like, talked a lot. And then I just kept going. And it was great. It was really good. Yeah. I know we're sticking in this for a little bit.

And again, Tomlin doesn't matter. Do you ever, in a second we're going to jump into talking about your time on The Bachelor and kind of what led up to it. But do you ever regret leaving that job to do The Bachelor now? I mean, obviously, yes, because I was really good at it. And I could see myself, like, if I hadn't done that, maybe I could be like in a big market doing something cool. But when I really think about the job, right? like we're working 12 hour days your life never really turns off you're always trying to get your next story and and i was only making like 20,000 dollars a year like i could barely afford to

sleep on a couch and then you move another another year later and you maybe make like 35 000 like it's just not to to say no one should ever want to do broadcast but it's it's definitely like um it can be a tough field it's sought hard work for such little pay it's like being a teacher it really is and it's like you know it's an important job too it's important but it's you know only so few people make it to that like highlight point of like oh i'm on NBC or whatever like you know that's one in a million chance that's going to happen and so that was always kind of what i wanted and then i'm like i'm not making any money i can't survive you know so yes and no yes and

know. Is that why you know, Ashley, I've never asked you this. And this is Olivia's podcast, but it's interesting to talk about. Uh, is that why you never got into it? Yeah. So leaving grad school, they were basically like, you all have to start at a very tiny market in the middle of nowhere. And I was like, I am not moving to the middle of nowhere. I was like, I'm going to go to LA, get into that scene. And I just have that positive outlook and drive that I know I'm going to be able to figure out my own way of doing it. And people, my classmates would always be like, Ashley, how are you going to do this? This is ridiculous. And I was like, don't worry. I got to figure it out. Okay. And you did it, girl. Great. Well, both of you are extremely

accomplished within your background of education. Olivia, you graduated cum laude with a degree in journalism from TCU. So like you weren't, I mean, no wonder you skyrocketed to the anchor seat fast. I mean, actually, obviously, we know we got our master's, but you are extremely good at what you do. I mean, I'm obviously like, it's hard work, but I say this as humbly as possible. I worked my ass off in college. I had three jobs. I was the executive editor of our online, you know, news platform. I worked with the newspaper.

I had a TV internship. Like, I had no time to party, which I, in hindsight, wish I had spent more. time doing but like I worked really hard so I did feel like when I did get a job right outside of college like yeah I earned this like this is the right but yeah I moved to the middle of nowhere which ended up being the most fun thing in the whole world by the way but I'm sure it would have been whoa I'm moving to Bristol Virginia never heard of it don't know what it is it is on a guyco commercial though so really yeah it's always those it's always those moves where you're super scared that it turns out to be the best. It was like when I went to grad school at Syracuse,

I'm like, okay, well, when I went to college, I knew people that were going to be at my college. You know, I was still in my state. I was two hours away. And then when I went to Syracuse, it's just like a whole, like I am moving on my own. And I, yeah, I am independent for the first time ever. Yeah. A totally different type of move. So fun, though. Now, of course, you're saying you didn't have time to do anything begs the question. Did you have time to date? Oh, God, no. No, I was on, no, I was on Bumble a little, but. How's the Bristol, Virginia bubble scene? I mean, it was, it was, it was, it was weak. There was, it's funny. There was this guy before

the Bachelor came out was like, Olivia dumped me. I had like maybe gone on like three dates with this one guy who lived kind of far away and so it was never really a thing anyway. But that was like the closest I had gotten to like dating someone. in Bristol. Other than that, it was just getting jail mail. So like across the street from the news station was a jail. And all they do is watch TV. And so they kind of, they build, yeah, they build up in their mind that like you're their girlfriend and stuff. And they can write mail. So I would constantly get lovely letters from my, my jail boyfriends. Olivia, if I saw you on the local news, I would also be writing you love letters.

yeah Olivia's the anchor that all my buddies text me hey have you seen Channel 7 then she's single do you know her can you hook me up no I don't know her

it's so funny because like leaving for The Bachelor was a lot weirder than maybe it is for other people because I was anchoring up until the day that I moved home and got ready to go start filming

so I couldn't say see you guys next weekend and I couldn't say going on the bachelor because like obviously you can't so I just literally disappeared from thin air disappeared like I still had people two years later saying where did you go like what did you do and yeah where did you go well that's what we're going to talk about next it's going to be a wild ride for Olivia Cree all kind of leading up to last week which was a really important week for you so we're going to take a break refuel

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I will put that above everything, way above career and all that. But going on The Bachelor and expecting to find that, you know, you have to be realistic that your chances of it are slim. Totally. However, you know, the greatest case scenario would be I get a little exposure, amp up my career, and, you know, find my husband, which apparently happened. I mean, I am definitely the exception to the rule here. 100% why did you go on the show oh my gosh be honest olivia so look the truth of it is that i i didn't

really want to go and here here's here's the story here's the story okay so well first of all my parents were married on good morning america they were the first couple to ever be married on television so i've always had this like vision of you know that's normal to me like that happens Okay, so I was doing really well at work. I think my mom was like, you're never going to meet a guy, kind of in terms of what you were saying, like, how's the dating and Bristol doing? And so she, I guess at the time,

there was a casting that was sort of close to Bristol. I don't really remember where it was. So I said, guys, stop annoying me. I'm not going to apply. If you guys want to apply, go for it. I don't care. I'm not going to do it. So my mom kind of conspired with my sister.

and my sister made a video which was very cute I saw it later they overnighted it to casting and my mom was very smart and she she said it to where they had to sign for it and so that someone saw it and it was very smart and I got a call two days later I was I was on the desk my phone is ringing I've told people don't call me between these hours and it's freaking people from L.A. and I'm not kidding you two weeks later it was it started like I and of course you know you go out there and it's this like magical experience and all these people like care about you and like think you're great and so I was like oh my gosh totally let's do this thing and then of course I had watched Caitlin's season so I saw I knew Ben and I was like Ben rocks let's let's like heck yeah let's do this thing you know you just reminded me of something that I did. I FedExed it with a signature too. That's my advice for anyone who asks, yeah. Yeah. So now there's going to be a whole bunch of FedEx packages at the back. You need that

signature. It's the best. But obviously, like, I'm a hopeless romantic. So I was, I had no interest at all in Instagram followers or none of that. I was just like, this could be really fun. Ben is awesome. If it works, great. And if not, I go back. back to work which didn't really happen but that was my idea going into it for sure two questions for me just to backtrack your parents and they got married on ABC they were well one that would have been absolutely poetic for you oh totally happening totally but they like knew each other and had dated and all that before they just had their wedding broadcast from times square yes well but but here's it it was a it was like a kind of a show like a docu series that followed them so it was

like, you know, my mom trying on her wedding dress and my dad and my mom flying to New York to see my dad's family. And they definitely had an interesting dynamic that was perfect for TV. So my mom was very like, I want to get married. Yay. And my dad's just kind of like this New York dude who's like, cool, marriage, whatever. Like, eh. So it was just like a very interesting dynamic, which I'm sure they said this is awesome. And yeah, and then I guess they did so well, like ratings-wise, that it actually, my mom got pregnant with me right afterwards, and they filmed me, like, as a baby, like, on the changing table, and I was on ABC, like, as a little infant baby. So, yeah, it was, it was like a docu-series kind of thing.

Like, it wasn't just their wedding. It was very cool. That story alone gets you cast on The Bachelor, especially with your face, included. I really, I don't even remember if I told that story. I really don't remember, but, yeah, I thought, I thought for sure, like, If this were to work or something, then, like, wouldn't ABC love having that, you know, mom and dad also coming back, but, you know, obviously not. So. I don't even remember that story really being shared.

I mean, I remember that story from you, but I don't remember ever airing or being a thing, which is. No. Which is such an interesting story. Which is why I was hoping, like, obviously I had a feeling I wasn't going to get a hometown, but I thought it could have been really fun to, like, combine. ABC's Good Morning America and footage of them and then checking it but you know that didn't happen but it would have been a cool little caveat there for sure so before the bachelor how much dating

experiences you have I had a serious boyfriend in college for about a year and a half but but I mean in terms of like is that a ton of experience probably not I thought for sure he was like the guy because, you know, I did go to a school and I'm from the South where, like, you get married younger. And so I was like, oh, okay, cool. But that was pretty much it. I wasn't ever really terribly focused on dating. I was, like, super focused on career, for sure. So, yeah, I was not experienced.

Because we haven't answered it yet. Then why even consider The Bachelor? I mean, you've told us about your mom. You've told us about signing up and, like, her almost kind of, not forcing you, but signing you up. Yeah, totally. Then why did you even do it? Because I don't know.

I guess because it happened so fast, there was, it's not like I waited six months and was like waiting to hear whether this was going to like even be a thing. It literally, I found out, hey, come to L.A. We're going to fly you out here. We want to meet you. You're great. We love you. Come on the show.

And then it started. And it was like really. fast and how this is such an amazing thing and how could I ever say no to this and I mean yeah that's that's the only really kind of concrete way I can think about it and it's not concrete at all but um it was just very fast I could say no I get that part I get the it's hard to say no and I don't know if many people do I don't know anyone that would say no I know someone who said no well let's fast forward to night one then okay because this isn't a this is an important memory for me okay uh you on night one it's it's a crazy time it's fast as well right there's a lot

going on yeah and everybody is pretty willing honestly in night one to share opinions like the producers and harrison and everybody's talking like what do you think how you doing how is she like everybody's like just excited and it's a genuine excitement it's not a producer fake one you can read through the lines people are just pumped it's it's a big thing for them too totally and i remember them being huge fans of you on night one uh just on on every level like oh you know we connected our conversation was great uh they said look how beautiful she was and they believed it did you feel that from them on night one especially yes and i don't know if i can really say why without getting into like whatever you're fine i'll just do it because that's that's my

brand that's what i've always done so the kind of the minute i knew when it was something where i was like i feel kind of confident just is as my like standing in this was when all the girls are like ben kind of starts talking to people all the girls are where can when can i catch him and a producer came to me and said, hey, we're setting up your talk with Ben. And I was like, whoa, okay. And so they brought me over to Ben at a time when obviously it was done. And our conversation felt a lot longer than others. And then when I left you, a lot of the girls were pissed at me because they were like the you know we weren't allowed to to enter your conversation and I was like well I'm really sorry I didn't I had no idea about that so that's kind of when I was like okay

and then of course the conversation went great so that was also the other thing I you know so I don't know that might have been too much I don't know sorry no it's great how how easy was the conversation with Olivia night one because of thinking of all of your your girls and how many great ones there are as far as conversations go like i don't know that it ever gets better than olivia well i think that's the i think well i think that's the difference is night one is and it's i think it is important for everybody to understand like there is excitement there's a ton of nerves and not just from the bachelor and the girls like there's what 200 people almost that work on this show there's a lot of nerves hoping that night one actually like

goes well from anybody that works in the show so it's like very an anxious evening and And when you have somebody like Olivia, who is beautiful and confident and good on camera, who sits down and like almost like calms the storm of the anxiousness for everybody, it's automatically going to go better. Like it just does because it's not hard on night one to be a standout, especially because everybody's freaking out. And Olivia just didn't. They're panicked out.

And she just didn't. It's true. I was bad and I have a follow-up question for you. And it's a little awkward to answer in front of Olivia. I don't care. Just do it. When it comes to the first impression rose, was it 100% your decision fullheartedly to give it to Olivia?

Did you have some like external, not pressures, but like influencing that like she would be the best one to choose for that? Well, I remember how it goes down. And you go back in this little room and they said, who do you want to get the first impression rose to? And it's so hard to understand. But like, again, night one, there's what 30 women some of which you've had a few minutes to talk to like you don't remember

everybody and it's a whirlwind of conversation and so what you do is you go through and you pick out like maybe four or five of the woman that stood out to you and you go through the conversation you had and you go okay I talked about this with this girl and this is how I felt with this girl and hey this girl gave me a kiss right away like you just go through everything that you can and then you go like these you also have to consider this and what maybe others didn't but i did was the first impression rose is like a wait like it is a target and it is also a weight and who can handle it like who could who could take the target and go i'll walk through this confidently knowing that people are going to like i am the one that people are going to kind of be after right away and so then i decided

Olivia because she was that confident that she was that calm presence she she did stand out and so was this is an a good obvious choice i i don't remember being pressured i just remember it being a conversation and it made complete sense to pick Olivia so yeah Olivia that's that's good the good point Olivia got the first impression rose on the 20th season of The Bachelor uh she ended up going on to be kind of the favorite for weeks which as we watched last week on the recap Olivia what happened during that time of you kind of having the target on your back is as you wanted more time with me the women got more resentful towards you me yeah did you ever feel that happening or again were you blinded to that okay I mean

yeah I I yeah no I felt the resentment it still felt like super peaceful in the house though like I never remember a certain point where like it was uncomfortable living together slash people were like oh everything's fine it's no big deal so it's did I feel things were weird at times yes did I feel like of course when Jamie said hey the girls are talking about you they're talking about your toes or whatever that was certainly a pivotal moment where I was like oh yeah people are talking about me when I'm not around and so but of course at that point I was like I'm not even going to say anything I didn't say anything about any of that I didn't approach anyone I just was like why not okay

because it I mean I don't know what what's the what am I supposed to say who talked about my toes like no I don't really care that much so And of course I, it's like I come back here, sorry, Jamie says people are talking about your toes. They're talking about this and that and the other about you. And it kind of pissed me off, to be honest, because I was just like, what is that? How stupid is that? So I went back and I just was walking back to everyone with just nonchalant, whatever's going on. And everyone was just like, hey, Olivia, what's up?

And that's when I was like, what is this? like I like just say you don't like my toes or say you don't like this or say you don't like that but don't like pretend everything's fine like I don't know I just I was I was having a really hard time like towing the line of like what to do in you know a lot of situations so yeah watching Ben season back last Monday I was like this girl they're not showing this girl Olivia my friend doing anything villainous the only thing that you were doing was in your ITMs being a little cocky you know you're feeling yourself you were calling yourself Mrs. Higgins it was like it was fun I mean it was cocky at the

worst do you know what I mean but it was also like funny because I feel like you and I have a similar sense of humor I was just trying to have a good time yeah let's like do this thing yeah you know I was there for one reason only like and that was to see if this could work and Fame and me. Like totally Ben. I was like, this stuff isn't like material to villainize somebody. Was there anything else going on that we didn't see?

Like was it seriously just you being maybe a little bit cocky and the other girls being jealous and threatened because you were such an early frontrunner? Oh my God. I mean, I definitely. I definitely knew. people were talking about me and so for me as a person in that moment I tend to retreat right so like I just spent a lot of time by myself because I didn't want to piss people off anymore than they

already were so I just spent a lot of time in my room a lot of time like when some airport we were at I bought like six books and I just read them all like I just yeah I just was like I don't want to piss people off and it just is super awkward in here and i would try to extend myself occasionally like i would go into rooms and it would just be very like i don't really want her to be in here so i would leave and then um of course the night with amanda with the whole teen mom thing that really like that really uh can i cuss on here um yeah yeah that was not i didn't know you're to go that far but yes you can still say that i mean oh sorry it was it was it was it really messed it really messed things up and it was um that was a horribly painful night for me not to say like

oh but just because i felt terrible that night that was a horrible night but that's like to say that that was the real reason they started villainizing you is like everybody makes mistakes and one comment that you word poorly you can't hold against you forever i mean gosh i don't know i definitely word vomited i mean there was this one time i remember i had already had a rose one week and uh there was a cocktail party and i said hey i'm going to i'm going to grab ben really quick just say hey 15 seconds and then i'm done like everyone out I'm not going to interrupt anyone, done. And I think it came off as like, I've had him, so everyone else, have fun.

It came off really poorly, but that certainly was not. I just wanted to make people feel confident because everyone was so annoyed that I was talking to him, that I just was like, hey, 15 seconds, guys go, I'm going to sit back, like, won't interrupt anyone. But certainly, that sounded really pretty crappy on my part. So it's not to say I didn't do anything. I mean, I certainly did stuff. Yeah. Ben, when did this start showing to you?

Well, that's, yeah, and that's what I was going to say is it's interesting to walk back through this. Because, you know, for my perspective, you have the night one first impression rose winner. And then there's that excitement around her for me going into week one and the first dates. And then, like, I was, I mean, honestly, I was kind of blinded to any of this, even up through, really up through L.A. into our first travel experience because in L.A., there was a lot of group dates and there was a lot of people. And I never even recognized that Olivia was not, like, for lack of a better term, like, disliked in the house. I remember it really hit me in Las Vegas which I think was our first stop on the travel was there was questions because I could see Olivia being off to the distance

all the other girls were hugging and like excited and Olivia was kind of off to the side and so then I started asking around like to mostly producers and to some of the girls is like what's going on and a lot of producers just say hey like there's some issues in the house, you're going to have to find out for yourself. And so I started asking questions, and it felt like the more and more asked questions, some girls didn't want to say anything, but there wasn't an enormous amount of support there.

It finally came to a head, really, and this is why I want to sit for a second in Mexico City, where I had the sense, you had voiced to me that things were getting hard. I had noticed that I had definitely at that point understood that you were maybe not the most liked in the house, but I didn't know if I had a problem with that. I just think it was unfortunate and given the circumstance, making this really hard on everybody. Yeah, totally. And that's where I think the biggest amount of controversy with you came from

is the comments made to Amanda, which the twins doubled down on. We'll talk about the twins here in a little bit because they came on a podcast last week and spoke about you. But Olivia, I want to first off clarify what you meant by your. comments to Amanda and next then I want to talk about how that made you feel knowing at that moment things were I mean I think every I think you and I both agree like you and I both knew that things were falling down around us and totally you on this experience at that point yeah well so without getting too far into Amanda's situation with her ex-husband and their kids in that moment she

before that had been talking about how this there was a strain with their kind of custody relationship and that it was difficult at times and at that point right like everyone had kind of doubled off in like a friend situation right and becca had actually pulled me aside in Mexico City and this never aired but Becca Tilley said hey live like I feel like you're feeling super alone in here and ostracized and I want you to know that like I do love you and care about you and I'm I'm really sorry that you feel this way right it never aired but like there was support in there where she was like we want you to want to hang out with us and I know you feel really awkward at times but like we want you we embrace you and so that was when I was starting to feel a little bit more confident

like oh well maybe I can like pipe in and say something and so I'm a dork for TV Amanda's talking about custody situations. I love the show Teen Mom. So I was literally just trying to be like, oh, this reminds me of some of those storylines and teen mom where like the custody situations are difficult. I have no clue why I said that. And I think I can see it on my face

where the minute I said it, I was like, it wasn't like I sat there being like, I had, there was nothing about it that was like you had a baby when you were a kid, Like, I had a conversation with her at the pool. I knew how old she was when she had her first child. Like, I meant no malice. And the minute I said it, I ran off camera and I hugged her.

And I was like, I'm so very sorry. Like, that came out so wrong. She said, it's all good, no problem. And I actually went off. And I don't remember if I had talked to you already, Ben, but I came back on the couch and I heard people kind of about it. So I just said, hey, guys, like, can we? we talk about this like I think things are weird Lauren Amanda and I ended up having like a 30

minute conversation and I was like crying and I was so sorry but at that point I knew it was over like I had it was like why why did you know what what about it made it feel like it was over because it was just like I had finally done the horrible thing that I did yeah and then I feel like you started self-sabotaging yourself oh 100% Like this girl isn't a villain to the other girls right now. This girl's a villain to herself because you just couldn't help yourself with Ben. You just like, you had so much anxiety. I feel like you let me know how it was inside that you just were like, I need to heal this.

I need to heal this. But you were just losing your footing. Well, it's a really hard position to be in when you really, you really liked someone for a long time. And it annoys people that like they, you like him and that he likes you. Like I remember that this, the date after the first impression was where I got the rose again. Ben had said hey Olivia can we talk at the cocktail party and we were gone for like a considerable amount of time I had no idea where we were going how long we were going to be gone and I get back and Emily looks at her watch on her hand and she's like you were gone for 45 minutes and I was

like oh I'm I'm sorry I didn't ask to talk so it was like it was just things that I was doing like existing pissed people off a lot and so then it just never got better and then And then once I did the teen mom thing, I was absolutely done for. Like, there was no coming back. Yeah, it was all leading up to that moment. It felt like it for me even. Yeah. And it was like, it's really hard when, you know, I hadn't gotten a date with Ben, right?

So it's like you only get a few minutes here and there. I'm feeling like I'm having to like defend myself, but I don't even have time to really like talk about anything other than like defending myself. And I'm also like, how can. I even do that when there's clearly like a momentum shift here there was just at that point I was self-destructing in myself I didn't want to talk to anyone because I was just like I was begging to go home honestly at that point I just was like please send me home like I can't do this anymore like it just was awful so actually it's interesting to even look back on and you had asked me this question

and Olivia I don't know if you felt this way at all but looking back on this right I mean you see the arc of our relationship where it starts out really good things get good things can continue to be good and then we go to Vegas and obviously we have the infamous like cake incident which like really didn't disrupt the relationship at all it was more like a funny like you know I think you would probably Ashley or anybody out there listening would watch your significant other do something that's like pretty funny and you would just like feel for them with them and like laugh it off but that got emotional right there was emotion added to that and Olivia was embarrassed and then we move on and there were things said and there was isolation and it felt like every week And Olivia was never the villain in my eyes. It just felt like another unfortunate circumstance that surrounded Olivia that brought upon almost just like a lack of joy, I guess, on my end. Because every time I would know, hear Olivia's name, it would not be associated with like positive things. It would mostly be about struggle of some kind. And so from my side, that's how I was doing this.

Like I said, all coming to a head in Mexico City where it really felt like. Like everything that was felt in a sense was reinforced, even though that the statement made was a mistake, as Olivia said, but not intentionally harmful. Now, Olivia, before we continue on with this conversation, obviously the twins had doubled down on you to definitely make this experience harder for you. And I'm not saying that because I feel that way, even though a lot of people did, they felt that way as well. Well, in fact, last week we had them on the podcast, a live podcast we did. Let's hear from them, play some audio about them speaking about you. We're totally so sorry about all of that. And me and Haley did not mean any of the stuff we said.

And looking back on it as like a mature adult, it was completely uncalled for and just big fat aholes. Yeah, just little brat just trying to get 15 minutes of fame, just trying to like just totally so awful. So if she's watching this or ever sees this, 100%. we're sorry and would love to talk to her on the phone if she'd want to and i mean i don't think she would ever want to i know and you know it's weird that we've never even had like a text conversation or a phone conversation four years later to even say sorry and i guess that might be our fault because we've never even like reached out but i just don't think she would want to see her from us i don't know if she'd want to hear from us so the twins i had no problem with the twins in the house at all like

I, were we best friends? No, but nothing, like zero. So when I watch the show and I see them, you know, holding a knife and saying they want to kill me and that I want, they make, or I make them want to throw up and they hate my breath and my boobs and this and that and the other, that was incredibly painful to watch because that, I had no clue that that was. was happening there was one point where someone came to me and said one of the producers was trying to convince the twins to put a bunch of mints on your bed but that they said oh we don't we don't want to do that which like oh bless them for drawing the line at some point okay so we get to women tell all they are just going in on me and i said i'm sorry you know i'm really sorry for everything

And I remember Leah Block distinctly saying, well, what about what you guys said about Olivia and Emily just coming back with, well, that's besides the point. So up until that point, they still didn't think that anything they had done was wrong, in my eyes. Would you agree? I don't know. So then all the time in the world goes by a couple years later, this was maybe a year ago. Someone obviously was watching Ben's show on Hulu or whatever. And they tweet me and the twins,

and they said something to the effect of like, I don't know why everyone hated Olivia because like look how mean X and X were to Olivia. And I might have liked it or commented. I have no idea. But Emily specifically came back and said, oh, is she still bitter about all of this? So there's time too where it's very clear

they still don't feel like they did anything wrong. Then all this time passes still. This new show with Ben comes around. They do a podcast, which, sorry, I didn't listen, so I didn't hear what they had to say, but I had never heard about it until Monday night when Ben's show was airing and my Instagram is exploding and I'm like, what the hell is going on?

And I see that Emily had followed me on Instagram and then commented on my post publicly saying, like, I'm sorry I didn't make things easy for you. I was just young. I was an asshole, yada yada. And I honestly, I screenshot it. And I sent it to my friends. And I was like, are you kidding me right now?

Like, are you serious? And then 10 minutes later, I get a text from her saying something similar, saying I'm really sorry. I would love to talk to you if you're open to it. I answered her back and I said, hey, look, I appreciate this message. I would love to talk to you. But the more I think about it, the more it just doesn't feel right to me.

It just doesn't. I really do think that if this show had never come on, they would have never apologized. And I fully believe that. And so already it feels kind of weird to me. but then to wait till like the night of the show when everyone's looking at Instagram I don't know I might just be jaded I don't know well yeah and okay let's talk about that then because I do want to come back to the Emily and

Haley conversation yeah but in order to make that make sense we have to talk about about you and how hurt you've been for the last four years because we've talked about the show. We've talked about your experience on the show. Just to recap it, Olivia, one of the most iconic exits of all time at the end of The Bachelor. The jerk of a Bachelor left you on an island all alone as he speeded off into the windy ocean, leaving you just to get windblown and frostbite. but that was your exit and that's the last we really saw of you up until the men or the women tell all which wasn't easy for you at all and a lot of that had to do with the twins and the twins kind of coming at you

you and so let's pause there and go into your life in the last four years and this is the meat of the podcast that I'm intrigued by and I think our listeners are going to be intrigued by yeah Olivia there's a reason why it's not easy for you to forgive Emily and Haley right now. Yeah. And there's a reason we haven't heard from you, as Chris Harrison said, in four years. Mm-hmm. Why?

I mean, I think it's a combination of many things. I think filming Women's Tell All was super disappointing to me, because I was prepared for, I don't want to get emotional. It's okay. it wouldn't be an in-depth podcast if one of us didn't cry so pretty much everybody cries on an in-depth sorry um i was prepared to be attacked and i knew it was coming and it just seemed like there was like a point where it was like okay go like go in and it just kept coming and it kept coming and they were making all these faces like anytime i tried to say i'm sorry they would like roll their

eyes. And I just felt like I was getting nowhere. And I was also like, I don't even know why you're so angry at me because I don't even remember, like, having that many conversations with you, to be honest. Like, I don't remember ever doing anything to you. And so, as I said to Ashley, that point where they're just saying every single thing that I did wrong, and Leah Block says, well, what about what you said about Olivia and they said that's besides the point like that what happened to me didn't hurt me that was when I was like I'm done with this interview like I just want to I just want to go home I didn't even go to the party after women tall I just went home um so I had this theory I have this theory I wrote about my cosmo article this week I think there wasn't a natural villain

in Ben's season and I feel like they had to find someone to sort of villainize and I think that the twins were probably used as a channel of creating a villain because they knew that they would kind of say anything about anyone. I agree with you 100%.

100%. I don't even think they really cared about me that much. I think that they just agreed to everything that was asked of them my i guess my my my gripe with them is that um you know especially their their reasoning now is like well i was young and i was stupid and i was looking for my 15 minutes of fame and it's like so you basically are saying that you're like validating what you did to me by saying like I was young and stupid and just looking to be famous. So it was like, I wanted to be famous.

So I had no problem just burying you. Well, yeah, because. And that sucks. Because the truth of it all is for the last four years, you felt buried. Like this has, this was not a past, like for some that come on the show are villains. And Ashley and I talked a lot. like you have they have a little narcissism in them maybe a lot uh they they don't admit that they're wrong they don't believe that they're wrong they can't even see that they've ever even

been close to being wrong for you you knew you were wrong at times but you also were open enough to feel the comments the concerns and the criticism and so for four years you've sat with your family like how i guess this how often olivia is the show something you think about in your life in last four years oh god i mean honestly i mean it comes up in my mind like on a weekly basis if not because like someone you know says something to me or like someone says oh yeah my friend was asking if you're as crazy as you really look like it's just it's like when someone Googles you and it's like ugly right like I have this on my mind all the time when I'm applying for jobs and like Googling me is like awful or like you know I work at Delta and people recognize me and and they say like what like what was wrong with you like it just like it runs into my everyday experience and I've done my best to like like forget about it but like I have this distinct recollection of like my mom took me to a doctor

after the show because she was like they're talking about your breath like I think we should take you to a doctor that is so sad how does I feel like I'm just asking the same question over and over but it's it's the only one that makes sense right now like how how does this stuff make you feel it's just it's maddening that that people can just hurt other people with like no remorse and like i didn't do everything right but i i it just killed me to hear them behave and say things that showed that they did not feel bad at all and now it's just conveniently coming around again and so they get to say we feel bad and we're older now and we were just assholes back then i was an asshole on the show and like i don't make excuses for that

i have i've apologized a gazillion times for that i don't rest my laurels on that you know and so it's just if they were to have apologized somewhere in the midst of this before the re-airing you would have accepted as more genuine yeah 100% I found it to be really bizarre that it happened like as the show was airing and I was like getting attention and yeah but what about us I mean that's my I mean so like my I guess the only comment would be would be like the moment that I wanted to do this with you for you and the moment it really I mean and I've told you this even off privately on the phone is like I never realized how hard it was for you like I guess like and that's in my immaturity and my like naiveness was I never realized just how difficult this was for you for the last four years and so your criticism of them could probably be the same for me yes and no because you didn't sit there and say like how can I make fun of this girl and make her into a villain just like I can be famous.

You know? Yeah, that's a good point. Like you didn't want to do that. You didn't ever go out of your way to hurt me. And, um, and,

and you know, we, we did have like moments where we saw each other occasionally over the years and you, you just said like, how are you? Like I, I didn't hear anything except for them tweeting me a couple years later saying,

is she still bitter about all of this? So it's like, there's a difference between like saying a couple things like there's people who said things on the show about me that you know we talked about it afterwards Amanda and I have had multiple grown adult conversations about what I said we've had multiple conversations and how do you guys stand today I know that it was fired up again last summer when her book was about to come out yeah I mean the book the book was hard just because I was like at that point we had already kind of I thought buried the hatchet and so I was like oh wait this is coming around again that's kind of you know

whatever but but we have had multiple conversations and like we're friends now like you can have conversations with people and approach people and say yo I was wrong and she says yeah I'm sorry you felt that way and we can like become friends and life is good and I don't have any hard feelings towards you and it's like there's been times where you know I felt like I needed to apologize to someone and yeah maybe I'm like I don't know how to approach them and maybe they won't receive it well you still do it you find a way if you really want to so bringing up to date is about I don't know a month ago Olivia I got a text saying hey we're thinking about bringing Olivia on the show she's super nervous about this what do you think and I said well

Well, let me call her. So we, just to give anybody some background here, Livy and I spoke on the phone, just kind of about what this could look like, not in terms of anything more than you going on the show. Like, hey, your question to me was, can I trust them? And my response was, yeah, you can trust them

because I don't think they want to see you get buried again. I don't think that does anything for the show. I don't think it does anything for their souls, for their life. Like, I just don't see that ever being. a good thing here for them right yeah so after okay so let's pause here because during this conversation you'd mentioned to me that your sister and your mother definitely weren't in support of you going on no no especially my sister she's very anti i had to convince them to basically let me do it at some point so well just because they didn't trust the show or they were mad at the show my

my sister hates the show hates the show you have a lot of distrust against the show and I think it's not just because of what happened on Ben's season but wasn't there some paradise stuff you know flying me out

to L.A., which I probably would have never done the show as it was because I didn't really feel like I can just go back on camera again but it's like and just ghosting and then like texting later like it's just all these things of like I can't I hate not being able to trust people and so it just drives me crazy that like I there's just no trust and this this whole thing was initiated as like

let's try to like build that back but it's like it's very difficult and so that was like Ben was the one person to me who was like yeah he's involved in this but I do feel like he at least kind of understands why I might be hesitant about it. And so I, you know, I, I just had to be like, can I do that? And I called several, I called Ashley Spivey because she, I mean, Charlene, I called Charlene. And I just was like, guys, am I insane for doing this? Like, is this crazy? And it was really, it was a terribly difficult decision to make because I just didn't want it again. I didn't want that again. Was anybody discouraging you besides your family? No, everyone was like, I feel like if this footage is going to air again, and I've said this, like, you don't want

that to be the last anyone sees of you. Like, you're so well spoken and you're so different now that at least, like, please show up. Even if it looks terrible again, show up. Because I do think that women tell all was one of my better episodes because it was just like me talking normally and so I just I had to put my faith in them one more time and it was like the hardest thing I've ever done I was shaking my hands were shaking the whole time I was like breathing like before Chris came on to film it like it just was it's just not it's not natural for me because as I said like I I don't want can't I don't want this like this isn't like yay I'm back on the show and that's not why I did this so it's just like weird why did you do it then why did you say yes

um I mean mostly because I as as I said like I I'm going to take ownership of all of this always and so if you're going to air this stuff again I'm going to own it again If you do it again in three years, I'll do it again. Like, I'm not going to be the person who just looks like an ass and then just like doesn't at least respond to it. That's not what I'm going to do. That's what I'm not afraid of, is taking ownership of what was shown. Jubilee was somebody who did deny the request.

She did not come on the show, even though they wanted her too. And I just, before we close up this chapter, I just kind of want to reiterate, you are probably the only only quote villain that um in real life when you meet you you're just totally completely different most of the other quote villains have an ego or have like i don't even know what you would make of it i don't even know how you describe it i have a lot of theories but we'll save them for now a lot of words okay i was going to say like most of the villains actually don't even mind that they're kind of villainized right jealous of them honestly i wish i had that attitude i wish and then you meet you in real life and you're just like okay wait something didn't make sense here like

she was made out to be something that she just wasn't and it's really unfair you're one of the very few exceptions that i find your edit was completely unfair i mean as i've said did i behave like crummy at times did i have foot in mouth syndrome them. Hell yeah. You and I have the same, you know. Hell yeah. But I, it was never my intention. I did not go into that saying, how can I make a splash? Like that is not like, oh. You and I fucked up a couple times. Oh yeah. Pretty good. I done did that. But like we did own it and I feel like we were self-aware of it, you know, moments after it happened. But, you know, they have the footage. They can do what they want with it. I'm sure I'm like, damn it, they got footage of that.

it's over yeah yeah well kind of influence did i really just say that and i'm on camera dang it yeah yeah i mean that's that's my only thing would be i don't know if your edit was so wrong as much it was just highlighting the wrong things like you know like you said what you said you've owned that you did what you've done the the difference is your highlight real was not was not showing much of the romantic side, the sweet side, the sensitive side. And that's really, I mean, Olivia, and here is where it all kind of came back last week. And so for those of you who watched the Bachelor Goat last week, Bachelor 20 was highlighted, Olivia came on with an interview with Chris Harrison. And after speaking with Olivia, I felt, and this is probably my own issue,

I felt controlless because I was giving you advice that I didn't really know was true. Like, hey, I trust that they want to make this right with you if they're telling you that. I don't think they're going to try to ruin you. And so the idea was, how can I help and how can I get control? And it really was at that point after talking to you. I went inside. I was in Indiana at the time. And I talked to my family and my fiance.

And I said, this girl is still hurting four years later. Like my only, and I mean this, I don't claim to have done this thing perfectly. And I know some would argue that. Like, I know there's, but like, I didn't. And you know that, and everybody knows that, that's listening to this. The difference is my only request was that when people came on the show, they'd be glad they did it. I got that heartbreak still might happen. Like, I got that people might leave brokenhearted or I got the people might leave not even caring if they were brokenhearted.

I understood that part. But my only request, my only hope, my only prayer, if you will, was that people would leave going, I'm glad I did it. And Olivia was the only person that now, four years later, I can look at and hear from and realize that I don't know if she's glad she did it. I don't know either. And I'm sorry about that. Like, I still am and I said it on TV. No, and like this is just a moment again. And I get to fully explain this on television.

Yeah. But it is a moment where it's like, it is sad. It does hurt. You signed up for this. You gave it your best shot. You're a good human. You're absolutely beautiful. And it brought me so much joy last week,

seeing your name trending on Twitter with like insanely positive things following it. Like only positive things. I was shocked. I don't know what it's like to have people like watch me and like me. So that was like it was so insane and bizarre. And I was like, wait, is this really happening? I've honestly been in shock for like days because, I mean, oh, people like it's, whoa, this is weird.

Oh my God. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Because they, because they didn't edit your interview with Harrison and it was just you and, you know, Ben made it made you feel better going into it being like, I do trust that it's going to turn out good for you this time. Do you have, I have to ask for the sake of the audience. What? Do you have a more, you have a bigger trust in the show for maybe making you look more yourself if you were to ever do it again? Like, is there any inkling of Olivia that would be open to doing paradise?

Tell us. Here, okay, this is not me being cocky. I would only be the bachelorette. I would never do paradise. And so, no. Why? Ashley is convinced me that Paradise is a really good thing. And I didn't think so either.

Three years ago when I started this podcast with her, after three years, I see the benefits of it completely, like romantically, uh, in terms of freedom, all those things. So many villainous characters have gone to paradise and become so beloved,

but also vice versa. But you barely ever see somebody double down. No, they never, you never could. But, okay. Sorry. Why not? Guys, I would never, okay, I will say, like night one of Ben's season,

first two weeks of Ben season, I was totally myself. Now, whether that translated well or not, I'm not sure. But I don't know if I could ever be that Olivia on camera ever again. Like, I don't know if I could just go into it and not be like, uh, that camera is watching me. Like, what are they going to film? You know, like that, I don't know if I could ever be like that again. To be completely honest, my concern is that for you as well.

I think you'd almost be too paranoid and too careful that you would either be boring or like, or I don't, I don't know. You'd probably be boring because you'd be scared to say anything. See, actually, if you have that concern, that's why I shouldn't do it. I'm still shipping the idea of Olivia to Paradise. Is that the right word shipping? Ship, would I say shipping? Well, shipping usually people ship with like another. person but you can ship with paradise that's okay yeah you'll have to call me beforehand again and

like try to like talk me over you know through this thing because look i don't know i don't know well the good news is i don't think a paradise season will film for another 12 months also i think you will be considered but we can have many talks before then all right should we transition to the fun part of our podcast and you have one more thing to say 100% yeah to close out here with Olivia Creedy. We love you, Olivia. We're going to move on to some fun stuff. Okay. It was courageous of you. It was big of you. I'm glad as a friend you've did it. I know we have a lot of mutual friends. Brandy, Cyrus being one of those who has always loved you, supported you, cared for you, and just lifted you up in every conversation I've ever been in with her.

And so we have a lot, you know, yeah, she's somebody to think here. But anyways, I want to close this part with reading your Instagram caption, and then we can go to commercial break. Okay. Okay. This is from Olivia. When I got a call that season 20, The Bachelor would be airing again. I was terrified. For the past four years, I've been battering and forgiving myself, bettering and forgiving myself, improving my mental health and kayaking home from the highland.

That's good. The last thing I wanted was to regress. Having said that, I'll never let this footage air and not take ownership. I would hate for that. to be the last anyone sees of me because I'm far from the person I was then by doing this I feel so much lighter like I really can let go stop hiding from the world and focus on what's meant for me you're going to fall flat on your face sometimes and that's okay you're not defined by your past you can pick yourself up again and you're not alone it's brave to

ask for help if you need it no matter what happens tonight I love you all all and I'll go through all the crumb again just to connect with all of you embrace or growth that comes from all the lessons and experiences sign the girl who still has the largest mouth maybe ever that's olivia creedy oh lovely we'll be back with olivia creedy here on the almost famous in-death podcast Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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night. You said, like, I started my mouthing off podcasts. And even Chris Harrison, like, had a little giggle there he was like okay we're gonna give you that um i love the fact i think that you started a podcast because you're like wow people really didn't get to know the real me through the show so this is a way of me taking my passion of journalism and storytelling and interviewing and adding in my own personalities people will get to know me as well yeah uh so come tell us how like you came up with the idea and what people can expect they listen yeah so the podcast came about a year out of the show so i was like okay i'm i'm a little better now let's find a way to to change people's opinion of me i knew that my following would be small but mighty but i was like how can i claim the

mouth and so i did a photo shoot with my my jaw was like locked the whole time but i just was like my mouth was wide open and then from the get go i was like i have to interview reality stars and get to the meet of who they are and what was going on because I know what it's like to feel like you weren't fully like in it, you know what I mean? And so I bring on a lot of Bachelor villains because I just want them to have an opportunity to talk the way that I kind of didn't. But I bring on people from every reality show. So it's not just Bachelor people. It's people from everything because I watch a lot of TV. But it's like very interesting. review style it's not really that conversational this is me like putting my degree to practice and like

really getting to the meat of humans and um yeah so i just did it this week yeah you should let's do it it's fun it was it's um it's fun it's definitely uh a good opportunity if if you've watched someone on tv and been like i don't know if i liked that person you should listen to them on my podcast because you might like them and you still might not like them and you still might hate them But at least they tried. All right. Tell us what you're doing for Delta, too, because you have multiple jobs. Yeah, I have a few.

I am obsessed with traveling. So I was spending a lot of money traveling. So I was like, how can I travel for free? So I work at Delta. I'm actually unfortunately retiring, though, because of COVID and travel numbers. and airlines are really struggling right now, but it has been the most fun place that I have ever worked. I work in the Sky Club, so like a little bit more booge.

It's wonderful. Delta one. Delta one, I get to fly sometimes. I plan it out very particularly. So the life of a standby flyer, if I want to fly somewhere, I look and I see when I can get into the front of the plane because I want to lay down. I want to lay flat.

What's next then? If you're, if you're done with Delta, what are you going to do? I want to go get my master's. So. Paradise? No, NYU. Oh, I really, my number one is NYU. That's my goal.

That's where I wanted to go to undergrad and it didn't work. So now I'm like, let's make it happen for graduate school. But I'm applying to a bunch of schools. I really want to go back to the classroom. It's going to be fun, hopefully. What do you want to study? Do you want to continue journalism? No, I want to do marketing.

So it's like, it's crazy. I realize like over the last four years, I've basically like rebranded myself and like marketed my podcast. And I was like, I want to do this for a career. So yeah, anyway. I find in the brain they're very closely related. They are very closely related. I find myself very drawn to marketing and advertising as well.

Totally. Okay. Are you ready for our speed round? Yeah. Yeah. This is our fun zone. I love this part. Okay, here we go. All right.

I try to tailor the questions a little bit towards the person. Okay. Food you're obsessed with for your big mouth. French rice. Okay. Food you despise. Seafood. Oh, seafood, really.

It stinks. Delta tricks that we should implement into our travel bookings. Oh, my. Why? Don't buy basic economy tickets. They suck. Don't do it. Even if they're cheaper, buy the main cabin. Because when you want to make changes, you can. And also, like, go up to the person at the counter who looks cool if you want, like, a free bag or something, because I'm one of those people. I'm like, free bag, sure. Totally. Have it. I don't really care. yeah amazing yeah what is the guilty what's your guilty pleasure artist or song on your iTunes or Spotify seline Dion I wanted to see her when we went to Vegas we never did it pissed me off seline Dionne you shouldn't even feel guilty about that girl I don't I didn't think you did Titanic all day oh yeah reality show that is underrated and you think people need to give a try

is it underrated 90 day fiance okay no i don't even know if it's underrated but i do think that it's gaining speed with every season it is iconic it is so good i want to be on it please my worst nightmare um okay last question for me and then i'm going to have ben ask one speed round question because he never does okay your favorite place in the world that you've traveled and the place in the world that you think has is overrated. Ooh. Favorite, Iceland. Overrated, Paris.

Okay. All right, Olivia, I have my question. What is your favorite outfit that you wore on our season of The Bachelor? Okay, I have two. My first night dress, obviously, it was great. And then I love, I really love that. swimsuit that I was wearing when I got dumped. Yeah.

So this is my final lightning round question. How did you get home from the island? My sister was pissed that I said it was a tugboat on my podcast because she says it was more like a kayak. Like I was like, I had an oar and I was just rowing and I was cold and it took me hours. We weren't close to land. Like we were pretty far out there. no it was like this it was a little motor boat like a little fishing boat and the the the engine was like rang

and that's how i got home five hours later nice to end this podcast on a good laugh that's right olivia you're awesome uh you're loved i i really do actually did i both an almost famous family i know um because of the responses last week just want to see these next four years be a bright light for you. Keep us updated on things. You are some, I'm just really glad. Like, I'm so pumped that you had your moment during the recap. Like, this is just the coolest thing to celebrate alongside of you and with you.

And what a story you have to tell. Hey, you are loved Olivia. You are celebrated. That's Olivia Carready on the Almost Famous In-Dep podcast. Olivia, we do this every time. so just follow our lead here i'll start with that uh everybody out there listening olivia creedy is one of the most iconic members of bachelor nation somebody we haven't heard from in four years but we are hearing from again in the best and brightest ways she

is somebody to be celebrated somebody to love on somebody to make up for all the wrongs that we've put her through for the last four years um this was a podcast uh that was long needed and i'm glad it came with that uh i've been ben yeah Hey, I've been Ashley. And I've been Olivia Caridi. We'll talk to you soon, everybody. Bye. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHartRadio, or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.

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