The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous In Depth: Peter Kraus

Episode Date: April 23, 2020

In Depth with the most popular Bachelor that never was: Peter Kraus.This likeable, fan favorite, never appeared on anther incarnation of the show...find out why.His experience on the show deeply affected him thus changing his relationship with the franchise. We get to the bottom of what went down when he was asked to be “The Bachelor”.We hear the story of how he got involved with The Bachelorette which actually started way back in high school. And, we uncover need to know details about Peter Kraus now... Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, everybody at the Almost Famous Family. If you heard last week's episode, we asked you to go out and review and comment on the podcast on iTunes. Ashin and I want to hear from you. We want to hear your opinions, your support. So if you appreciate this podcast and you appreciate Ashley or myself or probably just Ashley, please comment and rate our podcast on iTunes. Hey, Ashley, it's time. We've been doing a lot of these. It's been really awesome during the break.

We've been sitting down with some of Bachelor Nation's favorites. Some people that you haven't heard from in a while, some people who have, you know, heard from from the last season. We've been doing these in-depth episodes as many as we can. and Sophia wrote in the and she said to us next in-depth idea the email reads really enjoyed the in-depth podcast with Peter and Hannah Am would like to see if you can get Peter Krause on the in-depth podcast I feel like no one really knows where and who he is so we've heard you we've responded and as a result Ashley and I want to welcome Peter Krause hello

Hello. Thanks for having me. Peter, we like to start out asking everyone about their home life as a kid. So tell us about your family and where you grew up and what kind of click you ran with. Wow. We're going way back. Oh, yeah. Oh, my upbringing.

So, I mean, born and raised in Madison, Wisconsin. I grew up in a tiny little home and a cute little cul-de-sac. Parents bought it with, you know, the little money. You know, the little money they had, I think it was like $94,000 when they bought it, something like that. Wow. It was a little place. And honestly, it was probably the most exciting and fun and just like outdoor energetic kind of upbringing I could have. If we got bored, we went outside.

I mean, it was January negative five degrees out. And my mom was putting Vaseline on our faces because we were staying outside too long. That's awesome. So, like, my mom was always into arts and crafts. exploring the countryside and my dad worked a ton so we'd see him at night we'd always sit down for a nice family dinner and stuff when we could but upbringing itself was all about the neighbors the kids the community that we built in this little neighborhood of ours and we were always in someone's basement making forts or playing Mario party or something like that it was just a really

fun exciting upbringing I got an older brother she he made sure to let me know that I was the younger brother plenty of times How would you... Pretty good. When did you decide then at a young age that you were at cheesehead? Well, I was actually a 49ers fan for... Oh, wow. Quite 12 years.

How's that? Well, so at the time, it was Steve Young. And before that, it was Joe Montana. They're, like, star quarterbacks and Jerry Rice and Garrison Hurst and all these amazing players that played for them. And my dad was a huge backers fan. And as a young kid, I wanted to rebel. So I'm going to pick the best team there is outside of the backers.

So I pick the 49ers. And then as I grew up and... got close from my dad and saw kind of the passion that he had for and really started to follow his path. I realized how passionate he was about the Packers. And I think that's where the love for the team came from when I was about 12, 13. And then now it's, oh, my God, it's diehard Packer fan now. I go to every game I can. I'm around probably like four or five different games around the country around the year, like away games. I just, yeah, I'm a fan. Now, let's go back to your high school. If you were to tell your high school self,

and your high school friends that you were going to be like one of the biggest heartthrobs of the bachelor franchise one day what would they think about that uh well according to my yearbook they'd all believe me i guess oh my gosh explain yeah explain so i don't remember doing this but when i was a senior you know how we have like senior quotes right in the yearbook yeah mine was uh to be on the bachelor someday of all things granted like at the time i had a goatee a shaved head. I wore like massive fake diamond earrings. I had like polo and Fubu and like Air Force Ones on all the time. I was a completely different person. But apparently that was my aspiration as a senior in high school, was to be on The Bachelor. It elaborated on that a little bit for us.

So do you mean, if you go back. Yeah. Tell us more about this. 2003, I think, was the first season of The Bachelor. Right. And every girl in school was talking about it. And I had never had a girlfriend, I never kissed a girl, was just kind of like a normal dude hanging on the background. And I saw all the attention that this handsome, successful guy got and all the girls wanted to talk about it and wanted to be around him. I was like, well, I want to be that guy someday too. That's the only thing I think. I honestly don't remember writing it. But I did.

And now it's up there for everybody to see forever. Okay. So what year did you graduate? I graduated 2004. Okay. So this is a year after. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, that's why it was my senior quote. It was like it was on the top of everybody's minds at the time. Were you watching the show along with all the girls in school? So I've never actually seen a season of the show until my first. Well, mine, I should say hours. How do you want to call it? Really? So you never. So, okay, we're going to stay in high school for a bit. But this hints at something here. You even through high school, you just heard the rumor. about what the show was doing and you said hey i want a little love too yeah pretty much and and i'm sure you got a little hate for that like a little heat probably from the public for writing that they thought you know your intentions were wrong and and your response would be what well so it was

after the airing of rachel season that i was on and i got a text from a friend that was a year ahead of me in high school and she said do you know that this is out there i'm like who photoshop this Why is someone trying to throw me in the bus like that? And I was like, I texted another buddy because I was in Los Angeles at the time. I said, do you have your yearbook? He said, yeah, somewhere down there in the basement. So he went and checked and sure. There it was.

Wow. So weird. Do you have that yearbook now at your parents? I'm sure it's at their house somewhere. Yeah, down in storage somewhere in the basement. It was destiny at this point. Yeah, you believed it. You mentioned that you had never had your first kiss at that point.

So then when did you have your first kiss and tell us about it? My first kiss was the year after, well, the summer after senior year. Stop, me too. Really? Me and Peter Krause both had our first kiss at 19? I was, well, I was still 18 at the time. I turned. Okay, still.

Whoa, this makes me feel so much cooler. It's a bloomer, I guess. I don't know. But then, yeah, once I kissed a girl, I was like, oh, this is, this is what I've been missing. This is, it was great. Everything else kind of followed suit in the following years after that, but. All right. So once you got, you got rolling with it, you were rolling.

That was a fan at that point. What do you think held you back? I mean, what kept you from kissing until then? I didn't think any girls were interested in me at that time. I was kind of like the awkward pudgy artsy kid that, like, I was in the art studio all the time. I went to a private school where everybody wore Abercrombie or American Eagle

and I couldn't afford that. So I wore a bunch of stuff that we could get at like secondhand stores or hand me downs for my brother and were a lot of things that I could, I'm sorry to say this, but like steal off the racks. So it was all like South Pole and Carl Kenei and Fubu and shoot like a lot of Reebok shoes and oh my god i had these like velour onesie suits that were just terrible those were all the

range though those jalo suits the juicy oh my god you could not breathe in them so like it got so hot oh my god imagine you guys listening peter kraus in a juicy velour sweatsuit in the early 2000s knockoff ran because it couldn't yeah it's okay so was all of ours uh yeah so i just girls never approached me in high school or before that and so it wasn't until late my senior year i started to get i guess a little bit of attention from some people and yeah so when on my first go ahead at senior year in high school oh but didn't kiss her like there was no kissing or anything that same my first like official date would have probably been prom and i didn't kiss him either i avoided it at all costs because i didn't want to waste my first kiss with him but then i on

honestly wasted my first kiss anyway at the age of 19 it was really bad hopefully that guy's not listening he's not he has absolutely no idea he was my first kiss as well really no um i doubt the girl that i kissed does either yeah it's actually remember now is our senior party and we all like set up tents out in the field and there's this girl that I had had a crush on for a while and I think we just like kissed in our sleeping bag and that was it kiss in a sleeping bag like hers was there and mine was here kind of thing okay i was like you were zipped up in the same sitting bag you're moving fast okay so then how did you get from this late bloomer to model peter crows oh that's a gap uh so it's a gap we'll fill in the gap yes all right so i graduated

high school in 2004 went to school for just general studies because i couldn't afford basically to go to art school and so my plan was to go to the local tech school and work my way into the university and then go for architectural design. And about halfway through, I want to say that degree, I got dared by a friend, my buddy Matt Jones, dared me to go into a local modeling agency. And so I just walked in there and we just eaten an all you can eat Chinese buffet. Like I'm talking I was not ready for this thing. And my just like I was just starting to grow up my hair. I was still kind of just pudgy and awkward kind of finding myself. at the age of 19, I want to say.

And I walked in there. I said, tell you what, why don't we set you up with a test shoot? Come back in a week or two and we'll do a test shoot, see how things go. And I looked at, oh, my God, the pictures are so bad. I was wearing, like, pink polo pop collar. I had like a size 46 suit on and I wear a 40 or 42. It was just all so bad. But they saw something that I didn't even see myself at the time and asked me to do a professional

shootout for that. And so it just kind of started the career. I mean, one of the things that, you know, you're known for coming off of Rachel's season is the gap in you do. And obviously at that point, you have kept it. Was it a conscious decision? I mean, even going into being a model, was it a conscious decision to keep this as a child? What led you to kind of rock it? I thought you meant after the show.

Oh, no, no, no. You're going to replace that? You're going to feel it? No, no, no. So growing up, I never knew it was a thing that was abnormal, I guess. I never saw it as, oh, I have gap teeth. So, like, my dad has it, my brother has it, my grandma had it, my aunts, my great aunt had it.

So it was just the family traits, what everybody had. It's what you're known for. I mean, people love it. And they should, but, like, it's what you're known for. Yeah. Really. So many celebrities. I never really noticed or thought about having gap teeth until,

prior around the show that like I really started to notice that this is not a normal thing. Like I always knew I had a gap between my teeth and we'd like make fun of it with my buddies and stuff. But I never knew it was as rare as apparently it is. And so when people really started to point it out in the show and Rachel obviously had a gap as well, it was something to talk about and kind of bond over. If you filled in your gap, it would be like if it would be like Jennifer Gray when she's getting a nose job it just it would ruin everything

there's a certain charm I don't think I'm like it would require braces otherwise I'm going to have two really big front teeth do you guys think that like do you remember going on the show for the first time and having people say things about you and that you like and it was like a shock like you'd ever knew it was wrong with you until like

it's amplified from a show and everybody picks apart every look, every physical feature, every, like, speech impediment you have. Like, I've realized so many things that I don't do that, quote, unquote, normal or that is regular because of the shows. 100%. One thing that I don't like to bring up, but it's kind of hard not to is I never realized the amount of negativity out there. I have so many fun, exciting, kind, generous people in my life that when I went on to the

show, I really realized for the first time how negative and awful people could be. And so all those comments really come to a shock when you see that for the first time. And people are saying like, oh, you're boring. You're stupid. Your family's this. You're that. I was floored by it. And now it's unfortunate that now it's like second nature.

And I think all of us I could probably speak for when I say is you just kind of roll with it. You're told to like just brush it off and pretend like it's not even there. Do you remember any comments that specifically you would get a lot and that would really affect you? Oh, everything. I don't, yeah, I'm a sensitive person, so, and I'm also like a perfectionist in too many ways where I took to heart too many things, I think, that I heard, which is probably a big part of why I didn't necessarily want to be a part of everything again and took me a long time to want to potentially be back in the franchise or even consider the thought. Yeah. What about, I mean, you guys, Ashley,

so when we met in Vegas, I didn't know much about you at that point, but then everybody told, me when I said that I met you, they brought up the crying. Oh, yeah. You were known. I was like, what? She's so sweet. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I know. It's like, shockingly, she doesn't cry that much in just a regular social setting. Well, it's, it's like once you go on the show, people will pick out this one trait and that becomes you. Well, what was your trait you think?

Oh, I want to say the gap teeth. I don't think I had anything. A personality trait. Yeah, but I don't even think there was anything. I was just like the nice guy from the Midwest. And that was it. You got to, I remember, I remember a lot of people being very fond of you, like, as a, as a contestant back then. Like, you were, I mean, you, every season has them, right? The Tyler Cameron's, the Peter Krauss is like, you guys would be in the same, like, arena when it comes to the conversation of, hey, you're the good looking guy who wouldn't end up with the girl, who we all hope, you know, would become the Bachelor, which, you know, kind of catapults us into. the season of your life that we know you from,

which is being on The Bachelorette, Rachel Lindsay's season of the Bachelorette. How did you get there? So at the time I was working here in town, I own an in-home personal training business and a couple of clients of mine recommended I try it. They were fans of the show and said that they think I'd be successful or enjoy it

and it would be a good experience for me. So I said, screw it, why not? So I looked into it and you had to simply send like a single picture and I think like a quick little bio. So I sent that and then a couple weeks later I got an email I want to say or maybe a phone call and they asked for like an extended version of it. So they're like, all right, now we need like 10 or 20 pictures plus a longer bio all these questions that they asked. I love that you admit that you are the one that submitted to yourself. I feel like there's so few guys that are like, oh yeah, I signed myself up. Everybody's

like, oh, I was nominated. I was nominated. I signed myself up. Ben, I don't remember. you were nominated that kind of I like did it alongside of them so she was like coming to my office can you sit down beside me and can we sign you off who who uh the marketing director at my company at the time so she came to my desk and said hey there's a casting call in Denver would you go and I'm not going to a casting call she's like well if we sign you up would you sign you help me with it and would you respond and so we went to her office so like I kind of signed myself up yeah cool yeah you submit yourself actually oh yeah I submitted myself with the most elaborate audition tape you'll ever see in your life you can go on my instagram i put it up a couple months ago it really is here's what's funny is i hear everybody's processes and like i think dean when he went on he was picked out by like a friend from the show a week before taping started or something like that yeah uh who sent him to amy because our producer amy was the one that put his audition right in front of their faces even tapes sending like an audition tape wasn't until like the fourth or fifth step for me. Oh, I think it is a little different for everyone. I sent in my audition tape

the first thing along with like that whole online questionnaire and stuff. But I didn't hear from them for nine months. Oh, wow. Yeah, which is super weird. I think that I submitted in July, late July, early August. And I'm thinking that they, it was, they were either fully casted for the next season or they didn't want me on Juan Pablo season because we would not have like I would have been eliminated night one on one public season i think was ben your bachelor no no no crystals oh okay that'd be something else in the middle that would been really funny wouldn't that be funny i've been or my bachelor that's super weird okay so tell us more about your audition process when did you finally meet with the casting producers and how did you leave feeling oh yeah um

I think I did like a Skype kind of call first after I did that like extended what's I'm going to call it audition how we want to call it like bio I met them in Chicago that was my first one-on-one meeting and that went really well I mean everybody was super nice I'll never forget they gave me a bachelor tote bag and a bachelor pen and a t-shirt I remember those yeah i still have mine no way well at least if i don't get picked i've got these did they give you that big manila envelope with it i don't think so what was that oh that's like they're like hide this under your shirt as you leave because that means that you're on to the next level and they don't want to show off to the other people in line that you have it

no oh you didn't i never got that really so they knew with you right away they're like this girl's good I'm wondering why that was all different no so like yeah Chicago was the first one-on-one and then I think maybe like two months later they flew me out to L.A and we were put up in a hotel out by the airport and you know you get to talking to some of the producers at that time or just people that are helping out and it sounded like there's probably a hundred guys in there or something like that if we went through the interview process with each one of them face-to-face you'd go in and And that was the first time that I met Alon and Bennett and whole crew. And first impression.

He sat down next me for the first time and were like, who is this guy? Like, is he just here to shoot the shit and give me some jokes? And he was just picking me apart. And then come to find out, you know, like a month later, he's like the head of the show at the time. That was trippy. That's funny. Because when I saw Alon, I knew that he was the executive producer because I had a friend who had met him. And she was like, he's the biggest character you're ever going to meet.

Make sure that you impress him. So when I saw him in that room of 20 or so producers, I was looking straight at him and I was like, I got to make this guy laugh. Now look, he married you. And then he married me. He embarrassed you? No, he married us.

He was our officiant. No way. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's fun. Yeah, it's fun. Really fun. Well, so Peter, we go through this whole process.

You're obviously liked by the casting crew. we're going to fast forward to your season then you arrive on rachel lindsay's season of the bachelor's at we you know walk ashley and i through that season in your from your perspective because we could ask you a bunch of questions to pull out details but i think it's his most healthy and helpful if you walk us through what you saw where do i start night one talk about the surrealism that is pulling up in the limo Oh, my God. Well, first it was taking a black car, I guess, from the airport to the hotel. And I think I was still like texting with a producer at that point.

I can't remember like super specifics of names and stuff. But I think someone's telling me like when you get here, your phone will be taken from you. And so I'm super nervous. And I show up to that hotel and there's nobody there. So I'm just standing the lobby by myself. Like, what do I do? is I start walking around, looking for someone, and I see like a guy working out in the gym,

and I see like another guy walking down the hall, and all the time a producer comes like running around the car and it's like, you can't be here. Whoa. So they quick ushered me off my room and took my phone and you're like sealed it into a bag. And so, all right, I'm like, settle in for the night, enjoy. Here's the schedule of things that you'll be doing

on the next couple of days. And so, you know, fast forward through those days and nerves are building and boredom starting settings you're there for a few days and I think it was at like noon or so we had to start getting ready because we were going to go to the house at like four or five something like that and you know I'm a pretty shy nervous person typically and so that that was oh my god the just build up of that first like three four hours and you're getting suited up and we go down into the lobby and that's when I met four of the other guys.

It was Josiah, Brian, what else was in my spot with me? Eric, maybe. There's like four or five less that were down in the lobby first. And so they put us all in the

limo, just any random order, and we pull up to the bottom of the hill for the house. And that's when they asked us to get out and hang out for a second. And that's when I was told that I was going to be the first one out of the limo of the entire thing. Is that how it aired?

It was Todd. Todd told me it was going to be the first one out of the limo, yeah. So at the bottom of the driveway, there was this like little pop-up tent and a guy in there, a bartender, whatever, and I started ripping shots. Amazing. Keep telling the story in this detail. Oh, my God. Yes, that was bad.

So finally we get in the car and we drive up the hill. And as you pull up and kind of around the corner, you can see Rachel standing in the front for the first time. and her dress is all sparkly and her hair is beautiful and the lights are shining on her and the ground is wet so everything's just glistening and gorgeous and you're like this is so surreal she's absolutely stunning and then I blacked out like I don't remember

anything from that point on also I just like woke up in the house he's like all right well I hope I did okay I don't know Ashley and I both have commented many times that blacking out when you come out LMO is very common oh yeah i can imagine i can't think of one person who's told us oh yeah i remember exactly what happened from like the door of the limo to the door of the house all night i don't even think i i was telling myself i hadn't told her my name i was like i had one job tell her my name and i didn't even do that it turns out i did i did say my name at some point but you can

you can be a professional athlete and have a huge event that you train for all your life and you're ready. But something like this, it's like it's one singular event that will never happen again, has never happened before. There's all these nerves leading up to it. There's all the pressure leading up to it. Plus, you're just trying to meet this person for the first time and develop a relationship. It was overwhelming to say the least. It was a surreal experience, for sure. Can you tell our audience how it feels to not get the first impression, Rose? that wasn't too bad um disappointing but it wasn't terrible because i feel like a lot of people they're like oh my god you had not even 10 minutes with this person how can you be so heartbroken

when you don't get that rose and it's bizarre but it's very very sad because it's basically like oh your first impression wasn't good enough yeah i i mean i thought she and i had a really good connection on our first sit down and it was actually longer i think we talked for probably like 15 20 minutes oh damn yeah it was good um obviously i wanted the first impression rose but i don't think i was too disappointed about it there was definitely points later on i got to some point did you kiss her on night one no okay i wasn't even going to kiss her on our first date I want to, you know, remain a gentleman and yeah, it just, she leaned in for the kiss and it was the most awkward first kiss because I, like, I didn't want her to be the one

to lean in for the first kiss, but then it was too late. I'm like, well, I'm definitely going to reciprocate, and so this is like awkward interaction. But, I mean, once I kissed her, yeah, and I was like, oh, I'll definitely kiss the girl again. When did you start feeling like a frontrunner? Honestly, when we went on our first date, so I was the first one-on-one date, and the very first time we started talking, I didn't even think about it as that experience anymore. It was like she and I connected so quickly as even just like a friendship level. So we had a really unique experience where I guess a lot of times on dates, you meet them

at the date spot, you hang out for a couple hours, you get shipped to the next date spot, meet them again for a couple hours, kiss, good night. She came and picked me up. I drove the two of us in a Tesla to an airport where we got on a plane together, flew to the location, took a limo together to the location, and then had our first full day date. And it wasn't until after that that we got put into two separate cars to go freshen up, eat, all that stuff at a separate location. We were with together, or with each other for probably eight hours, I want to say, before we separated for the first time. and then we're back together together for probably another like four so hours I want to say we were together like all day that first day and the whole time we were together we never

stopped talking that's amazing constant yeah constant communication so much laughter a lot of fun we just I mean I felt like I was a really good friend with her immediately and so I never really felt like a frontrunner it was more like I really enjoy this person's company and I think we have a really good thing going. The problems started for me when all of a sudden it was eight weeks before I had a date with her again. Ooh, yeah. I was going to say an eight-hour first date could be very intimidating if you don't have

a natural flow in conversation. A hundred percent. A 20-minute date without conversation is, I mean, I've gone on dates. You just sit there. It's searching for stuff to say, and there was never a gap in conversation in entire time. well so it took you eight weeks then to have that next day uh hey peter we're gonna come back and have you kind of pick it up uh where you're at with uh kind of the the gap in between the first date and second date leading up to then obviously the end of the show and to your life now hey

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end up with her in the end and just not propose where do I start so yeah there was eight weeks between my first date and my second and I think unfortunately what happened for me during that time like I was so ready to go on my second date with her right away and get to see her again and I got to get little snippets of her here and there but you know be completely honest with you guys I've been going to see like a life coach for years now and more so after the show and all that because of all the emotional tax that it took on my life basically and come to find out like I have abandonment issues and learning to deal with those throughout life and the experience itself

forced those issues to come to the surface full force I mean I developed these really strong feelings for this person right away and really enjoyed her company and then you start to see other people developing strong relationships with that same person and so my natural instinct is to protect myself a little bit and so I would just kind of stay to the back of the crowd I try not to make too good friends with too many of the guys I had my good core group of guys I was really good friends with but for the most part kind of stuck to myself when I did see her it was all about her every time we went on group dates I'd give her as much attention to

as I could, try to step out of the back and be up there in front so she could see me and get a lot of one-to-one connections. But the first really, like, difficult day I had was we were in Copenhagen. No, we were in Oslo. We were in Oslo. So the first abroad location that we went to, and we went on a group date during the day and it went really, really well. And then that night we had our cocktail, like hours, whatever we want to call it. And she pulled me aside and we went up to her room and shared like champagne and, you know,

they were filming all this. And she had a hot tub out on a balcony. So we went out in the hot tub and had this, like, awesome moment of like just talking and then made out. And it was great. And then I go back down and I was like in a relationship with her in my head at that point. And she gave the rose to someone else, the date rose, to Will. I mean, I remember it whole heart and he was pumped and I was shocked. And I think that's where I really realized like this is a totally different experience. Like I should have watched the show beforehand, looking back at that moment like now I see that's always the case and in many cases like

the lead knows who they really like and you know the show itself is in a way a bit of a I don't want to say a game but like there are certain things that you probably have to do as a lead to you know do it for the show kind of thing and so I took so much offense internally in that moment that she didn't like me the way that I liked her that I didn't think like this is also part of what I signed up for. Like I can't just be the one she keeps giving date roses to kind of thing. So that was like the first kind of like gut punch for me on the show and when I started really question things and have some troubles with it and try my best to try and ignore it. But then I think it was Kenny went on like a date with her

a one-on date the next day or like a group date or something like that. And when he came back, he was talking about how he had also gone up to a room and they like hung out in the hot tub and I was like like and this is nothing against her she did absolutely nothing wrong I hold never did hold anything against her as more just like I emotionally wasn't capable at that time of deciphering what this meant and was so thrown off and so hurt by it that I think from that point on I just was in my head nonstop with the entire process it's like I'm in love with this person falling in love with this person and they're are literally dating other people doing the same things that I hold to be so special. And they're able to do it with others. So it downplayed what I thought was a really good connection in my own mind. And so then when we finally did have our second date, I was all torn up and confused about all that but then also so stressed out that this is the only second time that I'm going to have like a full day with this person and the next chance I see them will be with my family.

And so it was again like the pressures of that. then you go on your family date and the majority of the time I was talking to my family or talking to my friends and so she and I didn't really express our relationship and then we met her family and it was the same thing like catching up on the last date talking about that but then talking to families and not really catching up with each other and building the relationship and then it was let's fly off to Europe and talk about getting engaged in like two three days and so I was still wounded basically I don't like mean to sound so negative but it's what happened and trying to like still get through the

relationship and progress it and let this person know that I truly care about them I'm falling in love with them while mending a wound at the same time and then having the pressure of engagement is just a couple days away and I am still trying to like wrap my head around everything and make sure this is a relationship that will last a lifetime and I'm not caught up in the moment and you know we can get along outside of these walls and all some stuff so it just became so overwhelming that i think i dug my feet in the ground just said like i'm not ready to get engaged like i really really like you falling in love with you but i need to get to know us together before i can you know jump to that level had you been able at this point to communicate with rachel kind of the

wounds that are understandably so i mean from a leads perspective i would i would have 100% understood that you'd been confused and hurt. I'm sure she was as well. Had you been able to communicate that with her at that point? I think I was so wrapped up in trying to like progress our relationship and make her happy and show her the good sides of me that I don't think I ever communicated that.

We definitely had like our conversations about the engagement but I also don't think at the time I realized why I was thinking or acting the way that I did. I mean, in any breakup, you go back and you play things back through your head and with a clear mind and realize, oh, okay, this is probably why this actually happened. You know, there's a lot of people that need time and space to figure things out, and there's a lot of people that need to talk it out. And unfortunately, my way of fixing things and partnerships, relationships, whatever may be, friendships is to talk about it and talk out the problems. and sometimes that's not the best thing to do sometimes that causes more stress and more pain and more separation can you know build off a heightened emotions and so I wish I had known

the things now then and you know I didn't so I kind of rolled with what I was doing and it ended up the way it ended up are you willing to talk to us about the abandonment issues and where they came from? I don't know if you got, do you guys believe in nature or nurture or combination of both? Combination of both, my opinion. So my belief is that everybody has preset levels of stress and emotion and all these things that you're just born with.

So I don't know if you guys know this, but when your grandmother was pregnant with your mother, your emotional set, basically, was already being imprinted on yourself. So, like, your mom was already developing your egg when her mother was four months pregnant with her. So any of the stress, emotional and physical, that your grandma went through was imprinted on your mom, which then was imprinted on your egg, which then actually translates down to you at some point.

So no matter who you are, where you are, you are built off at some level. with a baseline of stress or anxiety or even depression, all these things. So that's like the nature side of it. And then you get the nurture and it's just the environment that you brought up in, the people that you're around all the time and how you interpret those situations based off that, you know, nature. So where it all came from specifically, I can't say for sure, but there's ideas in my head and with my life coach that we've talked about.

but yeah there's definitely like a heightened level i'm sure of stress for me and yeah that showed up as abandonment issues this guy well yeah well i mean thanks for sharing i think i mean so many of us right sit here and go i don't know why i feel the way i do or i why i react the way i do um but as you dig deep i mean i just mentioned on the podcast last week i'm i've been in therapy now for a month now kind of walking through some of the stuff too and it's been it at it appears has been super helpful for me um to identify some of these things well hey i want to jump ahead here then uh you're sitting in the seat here or you're sitting in the time period where you and rachel are developing feelings you're leading up to a proposal yeah so we flashed to that day you were the runner up

uh and as we mentioned looking back always helps it always helps us process better uh Looking back on this, how would you process this experience? How did you describe that day, the pains and the ups and downs of it? Well, so she and I had our final date and conversation the day before we were supposed to, like, offer up a proposal. I don't know how to say that. Get down on one thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Right? And she and I had the conversation that night, and, you know, like the relationship. that night and you know like the relationship ended she she and I just didn't see eye to eye and I also truly believe I did watch the season back not too long ago for the first time and you can see from the start that she is

in love with Brian like absolutely obsessed with Brian they click on a level that she and I never did and when all those people came out all the time saying all these awful things um about her choice or about brian and put me up on a pedestal it really made me upset because they didn't see the background of it there's a lot that the show doesn't show there's a lot a lot of hours of tape and not everything makes it to screen and looking back at it i could even say they probably were trying to give me an edit to potentially become the bachelor and so it was going to make me look better and you know he wasn't as important

at that point. So I 100% you know, obviously think she made the right choice and they seemed so happy and beautiful together and she and I just weren't meant to be. And so the relationship ended and, you know, it sucked. Obviously, I cried a bunch. Megan was my producer and she played the same song over for me for probably like six hours straight as I cried on the floor. But then, you know, like a couple days later of,

although what was me, she and I were able to go to Madrid and I was like, okay, new start. I'm in Madrid, beautiful city. This is going to be a lot of fun. You know, for all I know, she and Brian didn't end up together because, you know, I'm still fresh off the breakup at that point. I don't know what happened after she left. And it wasn't until Brian's producer walked past us with her producer. And I was like, okay, they're together. That was like the sign I needed. so yeah that was a rough couple of days after the fact and then I got back home and everything just kind of went right back to the way it was it was back with my family hanging out I had a new puppy like it was okay for a few days and then the season starts and there's all like the

stress and fear and excitement of the show coming on and watching yourself on TV for a first time that was exciting and terrifying yeah so did you think that possibly after your breakup that she wasn't going to pick anyone i did yeah at the time and you inferred that it kind of upset you a little bit in that moment to see that she did well it was confirmation of the fear that i had that she had gotten engaged to brian or at least like you know gone with brian you got a lot of flack at the time for being on the show and not being willing to propose because they want all people who sign up for the show to, of course, be marriage oriented. And a lot of people are like,

oh, well, if he doesn't want to propose, then like, why the heck is he here? But is it because you were so unfamiliar with the process? And knowing what you knew, you thought that you were going to have a lot more time with her before that proposal. I definitely went into the experience thinking that there was more time with the person. And I think for some people, the process does work. And the timeline and like the rate at which you have your dates and you spend time with the person works really well for some people. And for some people, it doesn't for myself because there's that huge gap in the middle.

And then there was these things that kind of like, I'm going to call them gut punches during that time. Again, no fault of hers. It was just the way that the process went for me. Yeah, it set me back. had the process been different? I don't know. Maybe even like the show itself could have worked for me. I can't say it was, you know, hindsight 2020. It is what it is at this point. We recently had Hannah Ann on the in-depth podcast and we spoke to her about kind of her time on the show and how long it's taken her to recover from her breakup with Peter. And she mentions it she's still recovered. How long did it take you to recover from from this whole, I guess not even the show part as much as we'll get into that.

do, but the relationship piece of this. Oh, I don't know. I mean, how long did that thing? I think it took an extended period of time for me because as you watch the show, it's constantly reopening the wound. And then after the show, all the talk about me becoming the bachelor

kept that wound open. And then every time someone would post on social media and I'd see it, would reopen the wound and then every time that they talk about the next bachelor coming up or you like i watched a little bit of um the next season of the bachelorette and like that opened back up because it brings you back to all the same places and some of the same experiences and so i watched maybe like a couple of half episodes and yeah just couldn't do it so i think the wound took a long time to fully close and now it's more the show itself and all of the craziness of it and

in the aftermath of it, there's so many amazing things that came from the show. Like, I met you guys. Vegas was one of the funnest weekends of my life. Yeah. Thank you. It was. I remember that year. That's when we found out. Actually, Ashley, Peter and I were at lunch with Wells when he told us that he was dating Sarah Highland

for the very first time. Do you remember that, Peter? Sarah, yeah, Sarah had just had like a surgery and they Face-timed, and they were the sweetest couple. We know. Oh, my God, yeah. I remember that. I remember when they FaceTime in the car for the first time on our way

to the I Heart Festival. I think that's okay. And then we had that fun night, Ben, you didn't feel good. You had that, like, horrible fever. And then I went out with Wells, Dean, and Peter. And I was like, there are millions of girls around this country

who would just pay so many thousands of dollars to be in my spot right now. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's not a lie. I just met everybody for the first time. and we were trying to go to a club and they wouldn't let us in. So I pretended to be Wells's manager.

Yeah. I was like, do you know who this guy is? Yeah. Yeah. You should probably let him in here. I don't know if you know that. Yeah. I remember that.

That's so funny. I think it worked. We got into that club. Oh, no, no, you're right. We did. Nobody in it. It was Paris. That's so good.

Well, Peter, we're getting here to a really interesting part of this whole experience, and one that Ashley and I were both super intrigued to talk you about. You know, kind of this ending of the show felt, you know, felt heavy. Then you kind of disappeared in a way that nobody really understands. And I think that's one of the part that has intrigued everybody is where to Peter go? He was loved. There was controversy surrounding him not getting engaged. Where did you go?

Where have you been? What happened? Where did I go? Home? I just kind of went home. I just tried to go back to normal life and it didn't work. Like there was nothing normal about life from that point on. You know, during the summer that it was airing, I was at my parents' house a lot.

I didn't even go back to my house a ton. I tried to start work back up with my in-home training business, but all people wanted to do was talk about the show and get all the inside information about it. And I opened myself up to new clients and all of them would come in for one session, which I always gave out one free session to get to know people. And then they would never come back at that point.

So I was just like, yeah. So I just became like this entity to people. And it drove me crazy. So eventually I just kind of said, screw it. I'm going to just keep hiring trainers to take care of everybody, and I'm not going to do that myself. And, yeah, I don't really know what I did that summer. I worked out a lot.

Just kind of did my own thing. Eventually got to do some traveling from it. I went to New York for a couple of interviews. I went to meet you guys in Vegas. I went up to Canada a couple of times to meet some people and do a couple of events. there wasn't really a whole lot of structure in my life for a while after the show like it really changed everything quite a bit now rumor around bachelor nation was that they wanted you to be the bachelor but that you were asking too much holding out and that they didn't want to beg for you so they decided to go with ari is there any truth to that Okay, yeah. All right. So they asked me to be the bachelor. And I said no. I go straight up now. And a couple weeks later, they called and made a little bit more formal. And I again said no.

And then we were out in New York for Good Morning America. After the final rose. And they asked me there. And again, I said no. And by that time, I was starting to talk to a girl and, you know, had feelings for, they asked, you know, again, for a third time, flew me out to L.A. to talk about it really, like, straight up. And, you know, told him, I had started to talk to someone. They said, well, are you guys in a relationship? And I said, no. Like, okay, well, would you be willing to leave that or exit that? And I wasn't sure. So then we really started to talk about the details of the show itself and how it was really hard for me. And I couldn't say I would for sure be able to get in an engagement at the end. It wasn't that I knew for a fact that I didn't want to was more I couldn't promise them that I would and I didn't want to be forced to do it if I said yes to the show.

And there's a lot of back and forth in this meeting that we had. And money was never discussed until we got to the actual compensation. and I said, well, I make considerably more than that already per year. Why would I give up in my thoughts like the rest of my life to be known as Peter the Bachelor and no longer just Peter for the amount of money that isn't life-changing? And so money was discussed and we all agreed it wouldn't make sense to, you know, pay a ton of money because then you're no longer doing it for the right reasons. So money was never actually like a major factor in it, but they did.

think that there was, you know, a certain amount that I would be paid, I guess. That would be fair compared to my income at the time. I said, all right, I mean, that sounds fine. And so then we sort of talk about the details of the show itself and came to agreement on some of the things that could be changed to help me with what I needed in the show, which, I mean, I'll just tell you straight up. I wanted to be able to spend more time with people, individual. I wanted to be able to just go into the house

and see people in their natural habitat so that way it didn't feel like they were putting on a show for me it was more like this is who you actually are when you're unsuspecting of what or not what but where I'm at I wanted relationship counseling for myself in the top like four or five girls during the process

so that way we could work things out on a deep level and then I wanted continued support for myself and that person that I chose after the fact because I saw the pressure that Brian and Rachel were put under and I thought it was extremely unfair. I think Brian got a really bad rap and didn't deserve it. Even though I said my things about Brian on the show, I said them out of frustration of losing the girl that I was with to that man.

So there's conversations. and yeah i think those are smart requests yeah i didn't want to i don't want to be a dick about it i didn't want to be like hey i'm i'm better than this or this is what i deserve i was just saying like i i do actually want to fall in love and get married at some point but i want to you know make it under my terms kind of thing this is my life it's my long term it's not just a short-term goal for me. I understand the show can progress my life and my career in many ways that it probably wouldn't otherwise. But at the same time, I was confident enough that I could do that on my own under my own hard work. And so I wasn't going to sacrifice some of my beliefs

to be that. So you mentioned not wanting to feel the pressure of needing to get engaged or being forced into it. Did it frustrate you to see the following seasons go like this? Ari, switcheroo. Colton, fence jump, no engagement. Peter, failed engagement, no relationship. It made me think, like, maybe I put way too much pressure on myself for that because I read too much of what everybody was saying in social media world and saying that it was all about the engagement, nothing else mattered. And that just goes to show that, no, it's about following your heart

and picking the relationship that's best for you in any form of that comes in. And I think at the time, it was still so much about engagement. that I was just really frowned upon by those people who were watching the show solely for the engagement. You say a lot of this, Peter, and it's kind of the tone of this is what you were doing at the time. So I want to ask you now, for how many years out, would you have changed anything? Would you have done any of this different? What I have, no. Do I sometimes wonder what life would have been like had I done things different?

all the time. You know, what if I would have said yes and just been The Bachelor? You know, what would I be like now? Would I be with someone right now? Would I be in New York or LA where most of the people seem to go? I don't know, how would life change?

Would my business have its doors closed right now and me like scared to death, watching tens of thousands of dollars walk out the door every week? like, I don't know. It could have been life-changing, but at the same time, all the attention has been a ton already, and I wasn't The Bachelor. I can't imagine what you as The Bachelor experience on a regular basis.

I mean, you are forever been the Bachelor. I mean, dude, you're everywhere. Anytime there's a show, you pop-up. Yeah. I mean, and you and I, you know, as we talked about, we both had our own, I don't I'm not going to call it damage. I don't know what you would. like our own issues from it you know you we both emotionally are trying to still kind of

recover from you know this week I in all vulnerability like I went on a texting spree to Ashley saying like hey I'm sorry that sometimes I feel you as a co-host like hey I'm sorry that sometimes like I don't feel like I match up to what you need as a partner here and it mostly comes from a place of like I hear it and I see it and it affects me and it still affects me as a 31 year old man five years later And so when you say this stuff, Peter, like you're not alone, right? And I think Ashley could say and probably say the same thing, like this stuff affects you. But in the same breath, it does change your life forever and in a lot of good ways.

And so that leaves me a next question with you is, do you want any of that stuff? Like, do you want to be in L.A. in New York? And do you want to be in a relationship right now? And then also, please explain, like, where your business is at right now? Like, how is this brand new venture that you and I talk? about I don't know what six months ago we texted back and forth about it like how is that doing oh do I want to be in a relationship yes do I want to find a love of my life and have a beautiful house with the picket fence and like six dogs hell yeah I want to have little

kids I want to push them in carts and play with them out in the yard and yeah I like baby kisses are the best they're the cutest sweetest little things on earth 100% want all those things but I I want to wait till I find someone that is my best friend first and we develop a relationship that is you know undeniable in its connection and then from there take the next steps in life you know I've grown a lot since being on the show and changed a lot in my life and I think I really know what I want and I'm not wasting my time with things that aren't there for me so I've tried a couple relationships like the girl that was talking to at the time it you know instantly didn't work it's

actually like we stopped talking weeks after that conversation with bachelor but yeah like I want those things I want to build my gym up here I want to open up a couple more if I can you guys know I travel the country doing boot camps and it is my favorite freaking thing on earth like the rush and the high that I get from that and the smiles and the energy that I get from the crowd are as close as I'll ever become to being a rock star and I think it's the coolest thing and I will do that till it is no longer available. Unfortunately, the attention and fame that came from the show that built those crowds is waning a little bit so the crowds aren't quite as big as they used to need.

Hey, we understand that too. Yeah, the further you get from the show obviously the less that's there. So you have to decide, all right, do I go back on the show to try and that back up? Or am I happy with where I'm at? Am I happy with the life that I have? And I'm really happy with the life I have. I have the gym of my dreams. I have my family. I have my dog. I have this beautiful apartment that I love. I was going to buy a house. Unfortunately, we'll have to put that on hold a little bit. But yeah, no, I'm happy. I'm good with where everything's at right now. And at some point, I'd like to get out of Madison once the gym is up and sufficient.

I want to get somewhere warmer. This winter crap is just killing me. taking me down a little bit every day. Have you had a relationship strong enough to speak of since the show? Not really. Why do you think that is? Just haven't found her? Are you on the apps? I'm on.

I was on, I guess. You could say a dating app. I log on and off of Bumble every now and then. but no I think it's just haven't found the right person yet living in Madison the dating pool is pretty small you kind of know everybody at this point and it was the case before I went on the show I went on the show because I was single and wanting to you know find a relationship that wasn't in Madison and came back wanted the same kind of things and that just hasn't changed even though it's been three years yeah I remember there was rumors about you and Bibby anything you'd like to address there Um, maybe. I don't know. I think it. She and I's friendship, relationship, you want to call it, like, it obviously ended

on a sour note. She had what she wanted to say about it, and it is what it is. I don't like to talk about people when they're not around or give my side of the story, and I'm sure she has her reasons, so. Those kind of stories. has come up a lot when you do involve yourself with Bachelor Nation. So now I've got to know a couple years distanced. Would you think about doing Bachelor in Paradise again to find that person to amp up the business combination of both? No. Never. You will never be on a Bachelor

franchise show again. I can't say that. I want to do Bachelor in Paradise personally, especially knowing that like the group of girls that were just on the show were all really young. Yeah. You know, I'd like to date 30 and above, if possible. The women will love to hear that out there. Like, that's fine. But, yeah, I don't think Bachelor in Paradise is quite my thing. Gotcha. Nothing against it.

I just don't see myself being successful on there. Why'd you back out of winter games? Because the ladies were waiting for you. That was like the buzz about town at that parade. They're like, okay, but wait a second. Is Peter going to, like, show up at the house or something? because we all came here because Peter were supposed to be here. Hey, I was there too.

They all knew you were still wounded, Ben, and not ready. Then I actually just saw some random, like, clip of you're leaving. Oh, wow. That was an emotional moment. That was heavy. For, like, real life heavy. Like, yeah, that sucked. And it was good.

It was standing up like that in front of everybody. That takes a lot of balls. Yeah, it was, like, one of the weirdest, most, like, emotionally charged moments of my life. and it happened on like a crazy little bachelor show. I don't get it, but it still happened. Sometimes it comes out at the most important moments, and you just got to follow it. That's what happened.

It's been good for me. It was like a stake in the ground moment. So where were you at? Yeah, where were you? So I actually said yes to it. And I think it's just like a couple days before we were supposed to leave. They text me and like, change your plans. You're not invited anymore.

What in the world? Yeah. That was the end of that. And I just looked at my text like, well, I don't know what I did, but okay. You still don't have any clue? No clue. My personal opinion, it was that Ari was the bachelor at the time. And because I was the guy that, you know, was being talked about as another opportunity to be bachelor, I guess, or could have been bachelor or what it is.

Maybe they just didn't want the conversation to even be had. They just wanted to nip it in the butt and get it over with. That was just my own personal opinion. I had no clue. Maybe I pissed somebody off in some way or maybe they heard something. I have no clue. Wow. Which I'm glad I didn't go because you guys were literally like ice skating the whole time.

Oh, I think you would have had fun with the skiing and stuff. You would have blown everyone out of the water. Well, I don't know. Ben was pretty good, actually, and so was Dean. Dean was crushing it. I'm not a snow person. I don't go in snow. very well, I would have been crushed.

Peter, you were missed by Dean and myself, and I know you and Dean are still good buddies and still, he considers you one of his best friends and I know you keep in touch. Peter, we end every in-depth episode with two things. One is we allow you to just monologue here and share with our audience who's listening. Anything that we miss?

Anything you want to share with them who are listening and just kind of want to catch up in your life. And then Ashley always ends with a really fun way with a rapid fire round. Peter, for the next minute or however long you would take 30 seconds, the stage is yours, the audience is listening, say whatever it is that you want. First thing that comes to mind is saying thank you. You know, after they came and actually shot my hometown stuff for winter games, I got to talk to producers face of face,

and I think it was the first time I ever got to say thank you for the experience. you know, I've reached out to Rachel on social media and just said thank you via Twitter for the experience. And it was genuinely life-changing for the better in so many ways. Like I was saying with Vegas, like I honestly had so much fun. I was front row to see Halsey to the point where like my body was shaking from the beat and she made eye contact with me. I was like, this is the craziest experience of my life.

Also, PV Rex a hit on you. Oh my God, Beebe, yeah. She's awesome. We actually talk back and forth just for fun for a little while and like she's great. Yeah, it just, it's been such a light-changing experience. So like even now to this day, I get recognized all over the place. People support me just because of that show. It allowed me to build a social media where I was able to put all that money away in to open up my gym for the first time a dream I had had.

for 10 years it filled the gym for the first month like the majority of people that came to that gym I will not lie about it were probably just fans of the show and so they came and supported and all the boot camps that I go to it's all because of that show like all these people that come and see me it becomes that show and like granted I hope they get to know me and see who I am as a person they enjoy me as a person and want to be a part of my life because of who I am not just because of the show but they wouldn't have had that opportunity to see that if it weren't for it. So I'm eternally grateful for the opportunity and for Rachel keeping me around as long as she did. Yeah, it was a life-changing experience.

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No deliveries. What's your favorite thing to make in the kitchen since quarantine? Cheat meals. I make a lot of tacos, taco salads, taco pizzas. I really like tacos in any form. Sounds good. Me too. Who's your celebrity crush?

Ooh, celebrity crush. I have no clue right now. Pass because I don't know. Do you have a celebrity man crush? Dean, yeah. Okay. Well, that leads into my next question, which is probably the same answer. A Bachelor guy who you'd like to steal some swag from. Well, obviously, like, Tyler's been the top of the town for a while now, and he and I actually chatted, and he's an awesome guy.

He's super nice. Got a good head on his shoulders, so I just give him props. What was the last conversation you had with your dog? Because I heard that you guys have been talking. uh probably to just take a second and actually take a dump she just like walks around the circles constantly so i'm like can you please just sit still for a second and go to the back who's the last person you texted uh actually iggy dean and alex we're in a group thread right now they're literally blown up all right no there's like 40 missed texts

okay and what's um a show that you've been binge watching during during during paradise and during quarantine. So it's on Disney Plus. It's called Mandalorian. Oh, okay. You're Star Wars fan? More Wars. That show, if you haven't seen it, you have got to walk.

Yeah, I think Jared would have really like it. So who's your favorite Star Wars character? What's your favorite episode of the franchise? Oh, good question. I think all of those recent movies that they've just come out with are exceptional. Kylo Ren is one of the coolest characters and the fact that I won't like the spoiler, but how his character changes towards the end of the movies is awesome. Oh, oh my God.

Yeah, I mean, Jared thought that it was going to be hard to get me into these new episodes, but I'm like, Jared, Kylo Ren and that love story, the sexual tension that leads, that lasts for so many hours, I'm in. The only thing I won't recommend is watching episodes like one through three. Not good. Well, you know, Hayden Christensen for all of us girls out there. Not bad to look at for a couple hours. Good point. All righty.

Well, is there anything you'd like to plug? Talk about Peter Cross Fitness. Talk about Peter Grossman. Check out my website. I do a live workout every day at noon. It's myself or one of my trainers. And we do live workouts at noon central time and they last for 24 hours. You just got to sign up on petergross Fitness.com. Sounds good. Thank you so much for doing this. It's been really fun. Yeah, Peter, Ashley and I always want to, like, we're very appreciative of anybody sits down and trusts us with an in-depth. It's not easy for anybody to do to talk. about themselves for an hour and 15 minutes and to walk through this process. So Ashley and I and almost in his podcast, I want to say thank you. Of course. Thanks for having me. Thank you so much. I feel like people got to know you so well through this. Good. I'm glad. I'm sure there's always more stories to be had and there's everybody's opinions, but it's good to share it from my

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