The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous In Depth: Peter Weber

Episode Date: April 7, 2020

He's here ...Peter Weber...and he's answering EVERYTHING. Find out what is happening between Peter and Kelley.Peter opens up about how he handled the pressure of being “The Bachelor”.We get inside his mind during the final moments of his season and try to make sense of his decisions. From Regrets to the things we didn't see...Peter opens up and tells all. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to No Such Thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. No Such Thing. This is Ben and Ashley I. most famous in depth. Oh, we've had a busy self-isolation time. Ashley, it is a joy in my life to be able to take time out of my day to talk to you about everything good. Ashley, how you doing? I am good. How are you, Ben? I'm great. Hey, listeners, before Ashley and I get started on today's episode, which is a very, a very special one like they all are, but we have a guest who we've talked about

often who we've both gotten to know and who most of us out there who've gotten to know over the last few months. But before we introduced them, Ashley and I came up with a new goal for ourselves and we'd like to invite you all to follow along. We are going to try to walk 10,000 steps per day for the rest of self-isolation. Ashley, do you think you can do it? I definitely can. It's manageable. When you think about it, it's like maybe two miles. So two miles just, I know that a lot of people probably don't live in neighborhoods where they can walk around that long. You think that that's going to be an issue with people because I think we're coming from people who

where people who have neighborhoods that are very small. Yeah. Apartment buildings are tough. Here's the thing though. Like I don't know Ashley with during a time of self-isolation if there's any excuse. Like you can walk around your couch for 45 minutes

if you need to. Okay. You're probably right. Yeah. Go from one room to the other room. Let's just get up and move. One room to the other room. Yeah, we have to move. We've got to move. Well, Ashley, let's not delay it any further. You and I have wanted to do this for a while. You basically just tried to build suspense by saying walk around before we introduce our gigantic guest. I agreed. Yeah, see. Hey, listeners, fans of the Almost Famous podcast, huge fans of the in-depth episode. Welcome to this in-depth episode with Peter Weber. Peter, how you doing?

I'm doing good, guys. Yeah, it's good to be here. Thank you for having me. I'm going to try to take on that 10,000 step challenge. Might be a little difficult here, but I'm sure I'm the best. If you guys don't know, Peter, well, one, I don't know why you're listening to this podcast. He's from West Lake Village, California, known for being on Hannah Brown's season of The Bachelorette, is also known as our most recent Bachelor. He is a pilot for Delta Airlines. Peter, I want to start this.

we've talked a lot, Ashley and I have, about how we wanted to start this podcast today. And we believe, we have this kind of saying that goes on during the in-depth episodes, which are meant to just get anybody's story out there is truth is truth and truth wins. So ultimately, even if somebody doesn't like your truth, it is your truth. And for that, they need to respect it at some level. And so today I want to start just with you saying, hey, you're here because your truth needs to be said. Some might still not like it. That's okay.

But at least the truth can get out there. You've been in the headlines for a while now after your time on The Bachelor. Your time on The Bachelor, and you and I got to talk about it quite a bit, at least in my opinion, wasn't ideal at times. At some moments it was. I'm sure, and we'll talk about that. but it was heavy at times as well. And so now let's just let's sit down and talk about it. And so let's start with this.

Peter, we just introed you in your background of where you're from, kind of what you like to do. I want to start by asking you, first off, how are you doing? If we took all of this and just put it into one microcosm of your life, the show, your life after the show, how are you doing personally? yeah i am doing uh i'm doing good honestly i really am it's obviously been quite the whirlwind for me quite the the last year um just kind of looking back on everything uh it's it's been kind of like funny for me just to think like i've you know kind of been in this world like pretty hard course

since uh you know the whole dating world through the bachelorette bachelor's you know for over a year now so um obviously it ended a couple weeks ago um things are still going on though i know people are still talking and um you know honestly though like i i feel like i definitely you kind of have to there's like no choice i've gotten really really tough skin throughout all this um especially at the end and um you know i'm just i'm every day i i still i wake up extremely grateful for the opportunity i had to uh you know be on the bachelorette and then be the bachelor and then look for you know you know hopefully the girl in my dreams um and uh i don't regret it um you know i i've had a lot of time to reflect for sure on everything that, you know, has transpired, you know, the good decisions I made,

the poor decisions I made, and try to just, you know, grow from that and become a better person moving forward. But, yeah, I really am. Like I can honestly say, I'm doing as good as you can be doing right now in this throughout this pandemic. It's obviously kind of crazy. It's just a weird time we're living in, but I really am doing good. From a fan's perspective, your family got more involved in this season than any other family. How's your family doing? Yeah, they really did. They're doing good as well. Obviously, that AFR was a tough, you know, tough episode for everyone.

Obviously, there's been, you know, a lot of opinions, you know, good opinions, bad opinions about all that. But my family is very strong. We've always been very, very supportive of each other, each other's rock. And, you know, we have each other's back always. I love them more than anything. And I know they love me more than anything as well. Going to be honest, when we got into the quarantine situation, I was like, could you imagine being in the Weber House right now? no to be completely fair that like i know people thought there was like all this like all this tension and whatnot um there really wasn't my my family listen we we i don't know if it comes from kind of like uh just kind of being raised in a cuban culture like household or

whatnot we we can be very emotional and just very passionate about you know stuff and um obviously we're not going to agree on on everything no family does uh but we one of the things i love about my family is that we just we don't like hold grudges or anything or let stuff get to us for too long, you know, that love that we share always pulls us through literally anything that we're going through. So, you know, it's been good. I was making some dance videos with my mom before I left the house there and everything, and it's all good. Peter, you and I were able to speak if we flashback months right before this whole thing started for you. And I made you one promise. I don't know if you remember this, but I just was like,

hey, if I was in Peter's shoes, what would I want to hear? And one is, you know, I said, hey, if I can do it, you can do it, which is very true. You're going to be able to do it. Now, how well we do it is up to us as people. But the second was that at the end of all of this, it's all going to work out for the good. Like even if it's hard and even if it looks ugly, and even if it feels heavy and it feels like I've done everything wrong in the process, which you and I have both felt at times during this, I'm sure, is it all ends up working out for the good. I mean, my life now is a great representation of that, right? I learned a lot from my experience as a bachelor. A lot of pain was caused. And now I'm able to celebrate with my

fiancee and enjoy a great life. It took a while. Congrats, man. Thanks, buddy. Now that I've made that promise to you, has it held true? And again, we're going to get into the details later on, but I just want to start this podcast by kind of getting a tone of where you're at, what your feeling so our listeners can ride along this journey with you. Has that held true? Has it all worked out for the good? I truly do believe so. Yeah.

Yeah, you called that and I truly feel like that is an accurate representation of my whole experience. Obviously, there was a crazy up and downs. I've always been a firm believer that, you know, things happen for a reason. And sometimes you truly don't understand why things are happening. But in the end, it's going to work out for the better. Maybe a couple weeks ago, you know, I'm like, dang, where is this going? You know, how is this, even at the very end?

Like, I don't even know how it was going to end, you know, after AFR. You know, for a couple days there, there was a lot of just kind of confusion still. But through all of that, I do feel very good about where I'm at right now, even through all the mistakes. I really I really do mean that and you know I'm just I'm still hopeful I'm still excited I'm excited looking forward to the future for what's to come and yeah I think your advice was spot on you know a lot of a lot has happened and a lot seems to be happening I was talking to Ashley earlier I was like you know there's very few people that have been in the public eye like you have that have had so many headlines so many different headlines written about them as such a small

peace and time like in such a quick amount of time like i feel like every day there is a and part of that just becomes the territory like you're popular people uh have celebrated with you they've mourned with you they've criticized you like this comes with being the bachelor that's just part of it um and with the media the way it is today it's it's flooding information about peter webburn what he's doing and who he's dating and where he's been and all this stuff just a lot has happened um with you right is it is it all i mean you're not a professional entertainer like none of us are like how are you dealing with this like this you said you've developed tough like tough skin that's great i'm glad to hear that buddy like i am i'm so happy you say that but like that's not the full truth here and we i want to hear

your full truth like you don't just develop tough skin because you get criticized enough you have to do things in the process of getting to the place where you can handle it and there's a lot of pain involved and getting to that place and that time, like, what has that been like for you? I mean, yeah, it hasn't been easy, obviously. There's absolutely no way to prepare for this kind of attention to be brought upon you. There's just no way. Just like I felt like, you know, even going through the experience of being the bachelor, as much as we talked and all the advice that I asked, you know, from you and that you gave me, and I took to heart, it's still, there was no way to completely prepare for being the bachelor um so with all this attention just kind of

being cast on me now and just everyone just you know every little thing I do is analyzed that part has been is been tough and it's like it in the beginning and it's like it just it almost kind of consumes you because for me I'm like literally everything I do I think about okay what's people's reaction going to be to this and is this going to be criticized or is this going to be accepted and that part kind of sucks and I have not necessarily enjoyed that and at some point you just have to literally as simple as just not read the comments. I remember Becca, she gave me, when I did my first podcast with her, she gave me as like a little lanyard, and it just said, don't read the comments.

And like, that's probably like the best advice, you know, I could have gotten as well. And it's, you know, when you, when I realize that all that stuff, in my opinion, it's fake and it's not real because not once, not, and I can honestly say it, it's not once. in real life through all my flights just being out in public anyone I've met out on the street have I ever heard one negative comment ever but you can see on social media or on the internet or all this this stuff that's fake it's not real life you know social media it's not that's not your real life and people who just get so consumed in it that's where all that negativity and that trash is but the real life it's all great and like when I finally realized that it was a huge weight

just lifted off my shoulders and it allowed me to just be so much happier continue to build that tough skin and just realize like what actually matters and the human interactions that I have on the daily basis, those are great and amazing and I appreciate those so much. I'm not going let the little stuff get to me at all. I have one final thing and then just let you know. We're going to dive into some of the details of your experience and your season and kind of the ways that it led you to the end. And then I want to close this podcast with getting back to kind of you personally where you're at and how you're doing and kind of close all that up. But before I throw it over to Ashley to kind of dig into your seasoning, your experience, there has been, though, I remember sitting in your shoes during my time.

And, you know, you and I can relate in some ways from our experience, right? It wasn't always pretty. There was confusion. Right. There was a little chaos. We get, you know, we're on it and we think, oh, this is worked out for how it was supposed to work out for me. And it feels like every loose end has been tied, you know, tied. and everything's clean, and then you get off of it,

and you realize that, like, maybe the public doesn't agree fully and that, like, there's some heat. Now, luckily, back in my day, social media wasn't as prevalent, and so now your whole story of what you've done since the show is being displayed. But would I be mistaken to say there has still, even though you feel you're like you're doing well, even though you feel like there's been praise to your face,

which I'm sure there is, that there is a little anxiety in your life, like a little pain, if our listeners could like really get and understand exactly where you're at like why you have a little fear can you explain that to them before we step forward just so they know where peter we're at and why you're feeling the way you are yeah no listen i mean what i just said obviously was true and it's been great in person having so much positivity um but yeah i can 100% admit that i've definitely had a ton of anxiety and a ton of stress just again just being thrust into kind of the spotlight so much and having everybody just analyze every move and then having so much so many critics as well like

I'm just the freaking I'm a human being and I I'm not an entertainer I'm not a professional dater I'm a pilot that you know signed up for this show hoping it would work I was lucky enough to be blessed with the opportunity to go on and be the bachelor too and it's that part has been tough and like it just it I don't know for for me personally I've never been someone that's been able to I've never like used my time to like talk negatively about anyone or go cast you know negative judgment on that person or whatever it may be but I know some people do do do a lot of people do do that and yeah that stuff hurts it does it's it takes a little bit to get used to a lot of it to get used to and has definitely caused some anxiety but uh

Again, I just do my absolute best. My number one thing is just all about gratitude, gratitude, gratitude. And if I can focus on that more than anything else, I'm going to pull myself through, you know, the tough times. I want to bring you back as the Peter you are today to big turning points on the show. So what would you tell the Peter on night one now? Oh, that's good. Let's see. I mean, night one was great.

Speak completely honest, I don't think I would change anything from night one of how it went. You know, probably just to calm down a little bit and not be so freak because I was so nervous going to that first night. But just knowing that, you know, all the women were just as nervous as you. Just to, I don't know. Honestly, there was nothing really I would change from that first night. Just get excited for this journey. There's a lot of things I would say later on in the season, but the first night, I wouldn't have much advice.

At what point do you start giving yourself advice? I would have given myself advice starting with like the pool party stuff. Like I forgot what episode that was. But in regards to just kind of really being influenced by, you know, the house in general. And just I think for me, I went into it. it just because of the person I am, you know, just being someone that, yeah, I like to get people the benefit of the doubt and I have those tendencies of being a people pleaser to not worry so much about that and just really, really do what I needed to do for myself. And like with the

pool party and like the Alea stuff and, you know, I remember that was like the first like part of the journey from me. I was like, I don't know if I handled that the right way. Like I should have just focused on myself, been a little bit more selfish and not, not taking so much. money opinions in and done what I needed to do. I have one, and I'm going to be so mad at myself if I don't ask this, Peter, because it was like my, we, you know, obviously you watch these seasons, we critique everything as part of the podcast, and I say, why did Peter do that? Or what, what was he thinking? One of my biggest critiques of you was I have never seen, and this is me selfishly, I just have to ask you as a fan of you. No, go for it.

then it's going to go back to Ashley to actually get to the heart of things. This is really derailing us. How in the world did you, how in the world did you kiss girls in front of other girls? I'm, like, that was, when you say pool party, I'm thinking about a scene where, like, you were kissing a girl and you knew other people could see it. Like, that was when I was like, oh, Peter, like, this could get bad. Um, yeah, uh, it's a good question. I, um, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, okay, I don't, I don't, I don't know if like in the, like, going back to that pool party, I don't know if I actually knew that people saw me being affectionate with other women. I was not, I was not, I was not doing that on purpose. There was one time, I think really the only time, actually, of, of the season where I was like, oh, that was really awkward and uncomfortable was, was, was in the football date in Cleveland. I was walking, you know, back with Cheyenne, I remember, and we just have, like, we're just, like, we're just,

talk and having it was off camera stuff the game was over and I just was like so just kind of like focused just with with her and like I knew that I had like nine other eight other women right but I just was just focused with her and like we were just being affection and just like cute and I read it and gave her a kiss like going into the locker room but all the women were there and then right after I did that I'm like why did I just do that like that was that was weird that was uncomfortable but um I don't know I guess just to kind of explain it for me I was someone that tried my absolute best to like I just said get lost with each woman individually when I was with them and whether that was too much or disrespectful at times I can see the criticism I can understand that but that was me and that's what

I was going to do for it to hopefully work for me I couldn't I don't know how I was going to be able to just like sometimes act like they were my one my only girl and then sometimes no no I'm dating a bunch of women like I had to fully commit to each relationship when I was with that person and that's what I tried to do from night one through the end and it got weird sometimes that makes I think that was pretty obvious and evident, which in a way sounds like a great plan. But then you get called the kissing band and it's just weird and it's just, it's crazy. I don't know if I told you guys. I really, because I really am the guy that like I usually am like kind of shy with kissing and like I don't go for it right away.

I really, I thought there was a chance I wasn't going to kiss anyone the first night to be completely honest. And then Savannah came and I loved it. I loved like just her going all out for it. Did the blindfold thing, planted the kiss and that kind of like broke the seal for me. just like well okay there we go but then didn't you eliminate her night one savanna no oh no okay that's right that's right no no no she was the girl that would last a long time but we never really got to know her yeah and i guess yeah she was a really sweet girl um i like savanna a lot but yeah i really was playing and i kind of like doing nothing and then so much for that hey well

thanks peter i just had to get that out there because it was like my one uh biggest confusion was like what in the world is he doing that feels dangerous I hear you. Definitely did not advise him to do that. But that makes sense. I can get I can get behind you just trying to be in, you know, intentional with each relationship and try to make it as normal as possible. So, okay, Ashley, I'm sorry that definitely took us on a tangent. I had to get it out. Back to you. Okay. So now let's put Peter today back to after that top three rose ceremony when Maddie comes up to you and says, I really don't want you sleeping with anyone. else like i'm not sure if this is going to be okay with my moral code if you do and i'm going to have to

re-evaluate everything if you do in that moment did you think oh is this girl a virgin or did you just think that she was kind of giving you a request because she was that into you like did the thought of her virginity come into play at all um okay so for that i remember uh I had thought there was a chance that Maddie was a virgin. I remember it was in, where was I? It was, we were driving from a location. I think it was in, it was in Chile in Santiago. And I remember, yeah, I was talking about her with my producers.

And I asked them, like, do you guys think this? And they couldn't give me anything, you know, because obviously they can't. But I kept asking, that was the first time that it was on my mind. And then they never talked about it again, really, until it kind of came up that night. but honestly no i didn't i didn't know i maybe there was a chance but i truly didn't know until until uh until she told me uh in australia at that dinner um so i i knew that she was obviously very very strong in her faith and that would have made sense but i did not know for sure i know i asked you this with access hollywood but honestly peter you're like a whole different peter now than

you were like six or seven weeks ago would it have made a difference would it have made a difference if Maddie had at that moment said, I want you to not sleep with anyone because I am a virgin. And yeah, would that have changed your mind about sleeping with anyone else? Can you say that even for sure? Yeah, it would have. I can say that for sure. I think definitely would have had a little bit more gravity with everything. Yeah, it would have.

It would have had more gravity. So there's a chance that you may not have slept with the other women. in that case yeah but but again that there would yeah there for sure would have been a stronger chance there but again it kind of all goes back to like my biggest struggle was like I explained with the kissing stuff like I when I was with each individual woman I tried my best to just be so intentional with them and loss with them and um you know I would have definitely struggled with that like if I'm holding back you know in any aspect of the relationship am I doing it a disservice but yeah to answer your question that it would have made it a little different and like let's not forget you know

it you know however it played out agree or disagree with the decisions of what you did um you are dating multiple people one time like that is not normal that is not easy to do there is no right way to do something that is is very unnatural to you and not something i don't think i i guess i don't know you before the show but it's not something you had practiced necessarily before this experience it's extremely natural so you're trying you're going into this week knowing that one of these people that you're falling for is saying this to you also knowing that you're still trying to figure out if she is the one knowing that some of the other people that you're with don't have those feelings that don't have those um don't feel as strongly about physical intimacy and and maybe when in or where it should be

had or in what capacity and so as yes we can be critical right and and madison was a fan favorite but actually i just wanted to add in that like at some point it does become more confusing than what the general public can can necessarily understand and and exactly and one more thing i'll add even i think on even more important than having known that night that she brought that up to me if she was a virgin or not i think the biggest thing for me would have been just knowing exactly where she was with me because i should never express to me how she truly felt um compared to the other two women. And so that was, I think, the biggest thing for me that just was really confusing

in how I go about this. Okay. So if she had told you she was a virgin and if she would have said at that moment, I love you, everything could have been different. Yeah. And not even necessarily I love you, just like knowing where she was, even just falling, like where she truly felt like she was with me. Got it.

So then from there on, you made it seem like you were, you, you, you, you, you, you, The storyline that we saw on TV made it seem as if you were just so torn, you had no idea where you were going to end up. But then it was interesting because the way we saw it play out on TV, as soon as Maddie had decided to leave, it seemed like she was your choice the entire time and you weren't torn at all. Was what was going through your head and heart different than what we saw on TV? Um, wait, so you're saying that when, when Maddie left and then towards the end, like through the proposal, you're saying that it seemed like what? Like I, it seems like you had chosen Maddie in your head a long time ago. Um, listen, I, you're, you're so right when I, when you say like, it looked like I was insanely confused. I say that all the time. That was the most confusing week of my life. It was so stressful. I had no idea. It really had to go about that. Um, I really was. you know, I truly, truly felt like I was in love with two women. And at that point, I know you can kind of attest that, Ben, and like, if that's possible. And I really do feel like it is. And people that say it's not, well, then I come back to you guys with, do you think

you can fall in love with more than one person just in the matter of your lifetime at different times? And if you can, why can't it happen at the same time? I get that's weird, but in this kind of situation is what allows for that to be possible. That's just my opinion. Yeah, it was tough. And obviously, yeah, I had a lot of love for Maddie, but I also had a lot of love for Hannah-Anne. And I don't know.

I think what you guys were seeing more than anything was just I was heartbroken. But I truly feel like I also would have been heartbroken if Hannah-Anne would have just done the same thing and just left. And having to deal with those feelings of heartbreak for me. me almost like it just kind of consumed me a little bit and since I didn't have any time to process it like a normal relationship when it ends and two days, three days later I had to try to go in to get myself in the right headspace to possibly propose to someone. I think if it would happen with either woman, I would have really struggled with it and it probably would have seemed

like I was missing the other one a lot. Gotcha. That was. Did you ever think to ask for extra time to process? No, I remember kind of like my last, my last opportunity I might have had that. We were getting ready to film the Neil Lane, you know, the first time I met Neil and he was going to show me the rings. And I just remember being just, I was in a rough, rough headspace. And I took some time to myself. They came into my room.

And so I was in, like, bedroom area. They were filming it in the living room area. and I like went in and just said I needed to like just go change or something and I didn't I just closed the door and just sat on my bed and I was just like stressing stress and stressing because I knew how I felt about Hannah Ann but I knew how I was struggling as well and I was like what do I do what do I do I do and I guess you know I felt a little bit of pressure with the time crunch maybe I could ask for more time I didn't and then I just decided that I was going to go I was going to go forward with it the thing here is Peter is like again and and I'm just

going to keep filling this gap here because I always think it's important for people to realize that like I just think it's healthy maybe for people to realize this is real life and as you sit there and you try to confront some of these decisions that were drastically and dramatically going to change your life for the better hopefully and at some level no matter what for the better there there isn't always the clear cut path especially when you're in it And you're sitting there. I just want to sit on this for a second and allow you to explain yourself. If you're sitting, if you go back to that moment and maybe just take it from like all of these moments where you're on the show and all the confusion and chaos that's being caused.

And you're getting, I mean, there's so many moments during this season, Peter, that I was just like, he's confused. Like, and not in a, hey, you're like, he just, I mean, yeah, you just got confused because of the chaos around you. I mean, that was how the, like, what is it like to be in chaos in the midst of something? something brand new experience that you've never been a part of before also knowing where you're hoping this ends like for you personally like yeah it's what's it like it's terrifying it really is i um yeah i was extremely confused at that point and then there's just the added you know you have so much kind of just pressure whether you want to admit that or not there is pressure you're in awkward environment and I have you know I've fully invested you know in multiple women up to this

point and I'm just trying my absolute best to navigate my feelings and just get like a clear head and clear heart of exactly what I want to do and if I'm just being so honest I I don't know if I ever if I ever got to that point where I had a hundred percent clear head and clear heart in a decision and that sucks but that's the truth and Um, I try my damn best to like get there and, and it just, it was, it was something I struggled with. Because you were so confused and because you were so emotional, did you ever think, hmm, I'm going to try to pull a Juan Pablo here and ask this girl to just to date me until I get more clarity? I did think about that. And I don't know. I just, again, I knew that I,

that I did love Hannah Ann and again it just goes back to me I kept just thinking listen I know I'm feeling a heartbreak right now and this part sucks but I've gone through every heartbreak I've ever felt and eventually I'll get through this you know I don't want to possibly um take away from the two of us a really special moment that could turn into something amazing because I'm hurting right now and I just I guess in my head maybe it's the romantic in me like I I felt like maybe Hannah Ann, maybe she would have appreciated that more, but I felt like it would have just been like discouraging to her if I just asked her that.

Yeah, you know, there's a lot of things I could have done differently, but it did cross my mind a couple of times and, yeah. When you were laying on that bed and just, you know, having that breakdown of sorts, how much did your family's opinion on Hannah-Anne sway you to make the decision to propose? Yeah, I knew that my family loved Hannah-Anne, and I totally understood why.

It really, it wasn't, my, it wasn't, like, that wasn't, I wasn't thinking about my family, though, at that point. I really wasn't. I, the only time I kind of, like, was maybe a little stressed about my family's opinion with that was when we were flying out to Ula-Roo, for that date with Madison and I remember talking to one of the producers and I was like ah this is a tough situation to be in like I don't know what to do right now um but after that moment like no when I was on that bed I was I wasn't thinking about my family's opinion or anything

that was just thinking about what I needed Peter as we sit here in this moment um I want to I want to let you know there's there's a lot more in your story that we need to get to um to close of these gaps in the experience that you had. So I know this experience for anybody is not easy. I know it's confusing. I know there's a lot of tough decisions that have to be made. You are now looking back at it and able to process it in a different way. We're going to get to how you got to the place that you're sitting out today.

And I really want to spend some time with you just getting to know you today and what you've learned. Before we do, I know Ashley kind of wants to fill in some of the gaps, as I mentioned, in between. Let's take a break. And when we come back, we're going to come back with Peter Weber on this in-depth episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

But if you have unmedicated ADHD, I'm going to get perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed.

Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine. years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian

with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack. where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Super Secret Festi Club podcast season four is here.

And we're locked in. That means more juicy chisement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no. We're not doing that this season. Oh, well, this season we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it.

Get in here! Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret bestie is The Diva of the People. The Diva of the People. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. That's us.

That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love. friendship, heartbreaks, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Maricultura podcast network available on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Jennifer Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you

on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time. I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth.

Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happens in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season, of the Overcumper podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

I'm Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford, and in session 421 of Therapy for Black Girls, I sit down with Dr. Ophia and Billy Shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health, and the ways we heal. Because I think hair is a complex language system, right? In terms of it can tell how old you are, your American. status where you're from, you're a spiritual belief. But I think with social media, there's like a hyper fixation and observation of our hair, right, that this is sometimes the first thing someone sees when we make a post or a reel.

It's how our hair is styled. You talk about the important role hairstylists play in our community, the pressure to always look put together, and how breaking up with perfection can actually free us. Plus, if you're someone who gets anxious about flying, don't miss session 418. with Dr. Angela Neal-Barnett, where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to therapy for black girls on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, Peter, so now let's go back to when you felt like things were falling apart with Hannah-Anne.

Was it because you felt like you guys were incompatible, or was it because you kept thinking about someone else? it was it was a little bit of both it was um you know i remember uh i think we had like three happy couples uh han an and i after after the you know the show and um obviously like that's the first time where you really you get out of the show environment and you really just you get to see your compatibility and you get to see maybe how much you guys challenge each other in a relationship and um and and where that actually lies and you know you don't have any of the distractions the show can possibly hide or just you know you know dampen a little bit and I think that yeah I just in my mind I think like the biggest thing I just I feel like in regards to compatibility I don't think that we challenge each other enough and that was something that is important to me you know in a relationship and and yeah and there was definitely definitely stuff with you know I haven't been afraid of to say, like with my feelings, yeah, still that were unresolved with Madison, you know, that

had to deal with. And it's tough not being able to, you know, lean on, you know, your, you know, your partner when you really want to and, you know, talk things through and kind of vent because that's just, like, that's inappropriate. That's weird and awkward and not something that, you know, they want to hear and I totally get that. So it was a tough time for me. But it was just, it was definitely a little bit of both. And, yeah, that's what it was. When Chris Harrison went to Alabama to talk to Maddie, were you informed that he was going to do this? Was this something you kind of wanted him to do? No. No, I had no idea.

I mean, the only time I ever heard about that was one of what producers said, hey, like, I guess there was pictures that were, like, taken of Madison in her hometown. But that was, I didn't know what exactly was going on. how do you feel about that move um i mean you know i think uh i think chris obviously he saw you know that i was struggling he knew why i was struggling and you know i think you was just trying to you know try to help out in any way possible who knew how that was going to turn out but um i wasn't i wasn't you know mad about the about him doing that didn't work out with mattie so with uh you know that happens you know she surprises me and um and then we you know we start contacting or you know communicating with each other and we

didn't see each other you know face to face until on stage again that was the next time which why was that i think a lot of people were wondering why didn't you guys see each other again yeah i i think you asked both of us and it's it's kind of it's a tough question to answer like I don't know. I think we should have because I know we did talk. We wanted like going on stage just to be really authentic and real and just like not, that's why we did that. That was legit the reason. Like I, we had thought about doing it. And I know, I remember a couple days, you know, before when she had actually flown out to LA again before AFR, I remember like, no, I think I need to, we need to see each other. And at that point, it was too late. And that wasn't possible. We were able to FaceTime though and communicate. it was a you know we taught we had some really good conversations we talked everything through if this is actually something that was possible if we could do it um why it didn't work at afr obviously everything that happened there and then moving on from there we had about two days that

we spent with each other and um you know she came over that night you know for a little bit and we just talked we didn't really talk too much about our relationship we just wanted to be there for each other and just support each other and I enjoy each other's company but then um the next day her mom had flown out spent the day with her and so i didn't really see her that day but the second day is when i went over to her her hotel and we spent pretty much the whole day together just talked and um literally talked everything through um and we we told each other listen put all of our feelings emotions aside this is all pure just logical just no feelings in this is this something that can work and we both came to just the agreement that that it really wasn't

um i know a lot of people just get caught up in the whole like the sex thing and that's you know saving herself for marriage. That was honestly something that was really small. That wasn't something that I don't think I could have done. There was stuff on top of that that kind of came with her beliefs and I totally respect her for. You know, I wasn't going to be able to ever something I love to do in my life is travel and go explore and especially do with my significant other and I wasn't going to be able to do that with her because she, you know, is also saving herself for marriage just spending the night with, you know, with a guy. And, you know, even just back at home, we had our you know i had my apartment she had hers you know she was never going to be able to

spend the night with me and that's something that i really use to just even if there's no physical anything going on just that closeness and waking up with your person the next morning is stuff that's important for me in a relationship and so there's a lot of things that people didn't know that we just weren't compatible with the peter i mean i think that's where um one of the things that i want to get your opinion on is you know we watched the season before with Luke Parker and he had some similar like kind of put my foot in the ground

feelings on faith and their convictions and their morals and kind of the choices they were making and then we get to Maddie and people were comparing the two but it felt like your response to Maddie bringing up these concerns was different than Hannah B's. It felt like you were not angry as much or you know you weren't put off

what do you think the biggest difference was between the way that Maddie and Luke approached it if there was one, and, you know, everybody talked about the double standard here, do you believe there was one, or do you believe it's different? No, I think it's different. And I think it's, yeah, they were totally approached differently. I think everyone thinks that, you know, Madison gave me an ultimatum. And to this day, I don't feel like she ever gave me an ultimatum. She literally just expressed to me what was on her heart, something I asked every woman to do the first night in the

mansion. And, you know, she didn't say you have to do this. She said, this is going to be difficult for me. And I want you to know that. I thought she approached it in the best. way possible. The only critique I could have had for her was possibly doing it sooner in the process and maybe being a little bit more open with, you know, the extent of the virginity and the extent of, you know, how she was feeling with me. But that is, in my opinion, completely different than anything with Luke and Hannah. One hundred percent. And, yeah, I don't, yeah, I don't compare the two at all. I think that's the thing that, you know, as viewers, as viewers, I think we watch it and were like, yeah, it was, it felt like an ultimatum, but

what you're saying is know exactly we'd want to do in any relationship is you date, you get to know somebody, you ask them to be as open about what things are important to them as possible at some point, and I think this is a good caveat, my opinion, which matters a little bit because we host this podcast, is that ultimately you're two people who pursued a relationship who are attracted to each other and intrigued by each other, and one of the most important things in her life was something that you maybe didn't feel similarly on. It just didn't work, but like it's hard to say goodbye to somebody great in your life, even if you disagree on some massive things, but when you care and love somebody, some of those

little disagreements get pushed away because you just enjoy them as a person, but when it comes down to spending your life with them, they become massively important. Like they are deal breakers, and deal breakers are not bad. Deal breakers are great, especially when it breaks a deal that was not going to be healthy for one or two of the parties involved. right so for you as you sit there where you're at now and i just explained your breakup which was like incredibly like out of me i'm sorry about that but um but as you sit there now and you look maddie in the eyes as she's telling you things and you and you look maddy in the eyes the day

after afr when you're trying to process this and you're just going i'm going to have to say goodbye to you like what was that like then because again i said all this to get to the point and the understanding that like you were saying goodbye to still somebody you cared about even know it wasn't going to work right no it was it was super tough i remember that that exact day and uh we probably spent six hours just laying on her bed just talking everything through and it was like i keep saying it was it was like that point in a relationship where if people have been through it they can relate you know you go and there's ups and downs and there's a lot of struggles right and you you may break up once or twice but there's that point where you actually know it's for sure

ending and like there's no coming back from this and i think the two of us we we had that kind of like sensing that we knew that was kind of how the day was going to end with the two of us. And it was super sad. We literally, we cried and we laughed and we listened to music. We made videos and then cried some more and then talked everything through. And just there is no like love lost there at all. But I think, you know, it was for the first time. And to be completely honest, really just proving like my mom where her delivery could have been a lot different.

She was just right in the end. And like we just weren't compatible for each other. And the show, the nature of the show allowed for us not to really see those, you know, those issues so much, but kind of getting into real life and then really reflecting, you see like, listen, it sucks. Like you have, you can feel so strongly for someone. And, but you need those, you need to be compatible on some certain, a huge life life issues. And if you're not, it's really just not going to work out in the end. And that's really all that it was. I think we both just came to that realization together at the same time.

And that's when we made the decision to not pursue anything. So, Peter, I completely agree that you and Maddie are incompatible. That's the reason that it ended. But I have to ask because the audience is wondering, you brought Maddie home that day after the final rose. She was with possibly your mom after your mom just, who was so, so rough on her. I just want to know how uncomfortable that was for her. no so i i didn't we didn't go back to my house so we we were for the show we were put up in hotels

a couple days prior and a couple days after aafr um so we just like that night i just had it she came over to my hotel for a little bit and then two days later i went over to her hotel um and then that's you know that's the last time i saw her um but yeah i mean and i'll all this ad like yeah that was obviously afr was tough for everyone involved but um you know it could could have gone differently, obviously, both sides. And I, again, I will defend my mom, not necessarily in like the delivery and she'll be the first admitted, but her just being able to on live TV with the pressure that that comes with, even against other opinions, be able to truly speak her mind of her opinion for the love of her son is, in my opinion, a really

beautiful thing. And, you know, I obviously, I felt uncomfortable being in the middle of that because I care about Maddie like no other, and I obviously love my family like no other. But, you know, obviously you wish things could have happened a little bit differently, but it is what it is. And, yeah. I think a lot of us are at home watching and thinking, something must have happened more. Like, we're not getting the full story here. Was there anything?

No, I mean. As far as like your mom's dislike towards Maddie? Again, it wasn't even like their mom's like disliked. like towards Maddie. She doesn't dislike Maddie at all. It's just that she knows and she was very passionate in the moment that we just weren't compatible and it wasn't going to work. And listen, there's things, you know, I know like with the, you know, they're going back to like waiting for a couple hours out in Australia. Listen, it was because my actions that caused that. But yeah, we made my parents wait that long. And there's just things that obviously led to frustration. But

at the end of the day you know you know she was right my mom was right and again the delivery could have been different no doubt but um you know she was right so while this is happening and and your mom is having tension with mattie there's another lady sitting there that wasn't there for women tell all which raised some red flags and her name was kelly is there anything you want to share about your feelings towards Kelly at the moment? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm open book with that. You know, Kelly's someone that I just, we've always just gotten along really well. And starting from before we met, you know, before the show, unfortunately, the show for her

wasn't like the best kind of opportunity to possibly find a, you know, find love. She'll be the first one to admit it. She was very uncomfortable throughout it all and just, it wasn't. her cup of tea. But Kelly and I outside of that, just connected. And it's been just really kind of weird how life has just kind of happened with us, met her before the show, ran into her completely random in Miami after the show. Very, very briefly just said hi, but pretty much. And then after that, it ran into her third time out in L.A. through mutual friends. And so just been a really good relationship, someone that I've just really gone along with really well.

And, you know, I think the world of Kelly, no doubt about that. So I have the tea. Well, Peter, let's take a break. When we come back, we're going to continue talking to Peter Weber about his time on the show, his life now, and what his romantic interests look like today. Hi, my name is Enya Jumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psycho babble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now.

The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast. season four is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy cheesement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no. We're not doing that this season.

Oh, well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here! Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret bestie is The Deva of the People. The Deva of the People. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it.

Go and figure it out for yourself. That's us. That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heart breaks, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Janica Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcomber podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection.

Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort.

It happened in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcomfort Podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself

My dad is a farmer And my mom is a cousin So like it's not What do you get when a true crime Producer walks into a comedy club I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke But that really was my reality nine years ago I just normally do straight stand-up

But this is a bit different On stage stood a comedian With a story that no one expected to hear Well 22nd of July 2015 A 23 year old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer

walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Joy Harden Bradford, and in session 421 of therapy for black girls, I sit down with Dr. Athea and Billy Shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health, and the ways we heal.

Because I think hair is a complex language system, right, in terms of it can tell how old you are, your marital status, where you're from, you're a spiritual belief. But I think with social media, there's like a hyperfixation and observation of our hair, right? that this is sometimes the first thing someone sees when we make a post or a reel is how our hair is styled. We talk about the important role hairstylists play in our community, the pressure to always look put together, and how breaking up with perfection can actually free us. Plus, if you're someone who gets anxious about flying, don't miss session 418 with Dr. Angela

Neil Barnett, where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to therapy for black girls on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast before the break we talked to peter about uh kelly flanagan who was a part of his season we also talked about mattie who was a part of his season there's one person that we haven't spoken about which ultimately peter uh you were engaged to at the very end and that's hannah ann uh hannah han had had caught the the attention of the fans and yourself during the season she obviously her story ended i would say and i don't know again i'm explaining all this as a fan but like abruptly in a sense like we you were engaged to her all of a sudden we see her on the live show then she's

gone and the story becomes about madison and yourself and now obviously about kelly and you uh peter if we could though let's sit on hand and for a second really three things i want to ask you one is is why hannah ann at the end uh the second thing to just kind of clear up is was Hannah Ann like your second choice and because Maddie left she was just the best option standing in front of you and if not why and then third is how did your breakup kind of feel to you like what was that whole process like yeah I so for Hannah Ann I am a huge Hannah Ann fan and I will always be that way no matter you know how she feels about me she's someone that just had one of the most like just beautiful souls and just hearts that I truly have ever seen and that sounds so cliche but it's just

it was so true and someone that I think for the first time kind of showed me the kind of love that I really always was looking for from someone some love that I think was on par with a love I feel like I have always shown women in the past that I've dated it might may have not been reciprocated I remember always saying that was one of the biggest things I needed was someone having that heart willing to give that amount of love to me and she was and I saw it you know it almost with Hannah Ann, she, she's like very, like, it almost seems like fake to a way, but she, because she just seems almost like so close to perfect, but she is. Like, that's just who she is. That's Hannah Ann. And she's, nothing about her is fake. She, you know, I always would say that she just

has, like, this beautiful, like, innocence that combines effortlessly with, like, all this confidence at the same time. And it's like, it's a very unique quality that I just have never really seen in someone. And, you know, listen, I fell in love with Hannah-Anne. I did. And, you know, it breaks my heart of how everything happened. She wasn't, listen, I know people you can try to summarize, oh, well, she was just the second option. She wasn't. Like I kind of said earlier in the podcast, I think really if there would have been the other way around, I would have struggled just as much with Hannah-Anne leaving abruptly like that and just like having that heartbreak and having to deal with it. You know, did I maybe possibly try to convince myself a little prematurely to

that I was ready to get engaged? Yeah, sure. I can say that. But it really wasn't just nothing about that was hand-and as being, oh, well, she's my second. No, it wasn't. Like I was all about hand-and. I truly was. I saw exactly what my family saw. And, you know, I mean every single word of that with the breakup I I struggled with that like no other and that was just like that was just so depressing for me knowing that you know that was coming and it was really tough for me because I wasn't able to just because the nature of the show and it's tough sometimes trying to balance it but I wasn't able to really give her like the heads up that I necessarily wanted to because obviously that has to get filmed and like yeah That part sucks, but, like, I wish I could have, and, you know, I knew she probably thought it was coming. She could probably feel it, but having to do that and just knowing that I was, you know, probably breaking her heart and just completely just out of nowhere, just surprising her

with that, like, it just tore me apart. It tore me apart. Like, why did you get to, like, how did you get there? That's one thing we didn't see is, like, what we assumed as viewers that it was because you had feelings for Madison. Well, that's one of the things here. And I think there's been a little bit of an injustice just because. of not editing, not production, I don't want to use those excuses, just because your story is so

complex that it's impossible to tell it and to show it in the amount of time that they had. But like, what's confusing for me as a friend, as a fan of whatever, is like watching this going, wait, he broke up with Hannah Ann because he's into Madison. But yet him and Madison weren't together two days after the finale. That's weird to me. So like what was going on? Like, why did you really, why did that breakup really happen? Yeah, because I have to say, Maddie's name was never brought up during that conversation.

Right. Well, again, she was just a part of it. She wasn't all of it. And I wouldn't even say most of it. Like, I, I just remember, I remember there was, like, a lot of moments that just kind of, like, broke my heart while we were just together in happy couple, and, like, the happy couple weekends. And she was just, like, Hannah-Anne was just so amazing in that relationship. and was giving me everything and I could feel it 100% from her and I mean obviously a little bit wasn't maddie but like I just I wasn't able to like I saw myself not being able to match that

100% with her and give her exactly what she was giving me and that's what I hated and I was not okay with that and like I kept thinking well the next time I see her it's gonna I'm gonna be able to get there with her and the next time and the next time and it just it didn't and it just came down to I mean I told her this like I didn't feel like it was fair to keep her in a relationship and she could feel it she could feel me not being able to give that we would have conversations you know on the phone and we weren't together about it of why that was and I just hated putting her through that and she was she was struggling with it a lot you know she would tell me how stressed she was and it just and she couldn't you know because she didn't tell literally we didn't tell any of our

friends that it was the two of us like literally only our family our immediate families knew we had a group text with all of them but nobody else outside of that knew and um she couldn't vent and go just talk to her friends about it and that just like that was killing me all these things kind of combined i just like i can't do this to this girl like i i i know that like i fell in love with her but i'm not i can't match what she's giving me and i just didn't feel good about that and you know that was really the biggest reason of why i i broke it all i ended it you know it's like that it's the it's almost cliche but it's like the traditional hey it's not you it's me kind of thing and like it's a true it's like there's no other way to explain it it's just like it's me i'm sorry i can't

get there yeah that's really like that's that's what it was so now we lead into uh obviously we watched it we experienced it um you and hana ann had ended things we go on after the final rose uh we've discussed that in pretty good detail i think to this point we get what happened there like and i think ben do you mind if i just like on that real quick like heart i because i've struggled on like why why is that why what why was i able to go and get engaged and then and then have these feelings and like nothing against the show i love the show and i've always been the biggest you know just advocate for the show and that it works but to be just fair me just processing all this and looking back like at the end of the day i i spent maybe 40 hours

you know, with her. I did, like consecutive hours. And for me, you know, obviously it's an engagement and it's, it's, that's a real thing and that was. But in a way, it almost to me, I guess, you know, it was like, it's almost like a promise ring to continue it. You've known her for 40 hours. You know, I don't know everything about her. And I don't know if like, I'm not trying to say that as an excuse, but like I'm, that's how I kind of process and like realize why I did what I did um and why i wasn't where i thought i should be i'm like listen i didn't i haven't even known her for that long yeah i mean it can work like that's the thing is we've always said it can work but there is still a lot to be i mean i mean i think harrison would agree like once the show's done

there's still a lot to get to know and it works sometimes like in a beautiful way like all the pieces still align and you go yeah this is amazing like it's it's been proven but there there's moments where all of a sudden you go I'm not you know for multiple reasons like I'm not into this as much as I thought I was and because of that it's not fair to continue I I get that um you know I've been through similar things it it doesn't make it any easier and it doesn't make it any easier to understand from a public point of view but I get no I know and what's tough too is like you guys you you you then I remember you like I asked you for so much advice about because I would you know how it was policy having the struggles and and and whatnot

not in, you know, the biggest struggle is, you know, you guys don't have that super solid foundation formed yet. You just don't. You can't. There's not enough time. And now you got to go thrust into a couple months of isolation. You're not even getting to see each other, you know, except for a couple times here and there. You have all these comments, all these rumors coming out about you guys, all these kind of attacks on the relationship. It's tough, you know. And I remember you just being like just constant like reassurance to her, like, you know, you didn't know who it was but like give it to her give it to her and like um it's just a really tough to be in i didn't expect it to be that tough i just kind of time in years i didn't know what

how this ended i mean usually the bachelor will call and say hey ben like something i can talk about like you know can i trust you and i think the show i don't know if they did but the show usually goes yeah you can call ben like talk to him about it he'll he's good for this and then for you i had no clue it was just like hey i'm i'm like i'd even know how this ended ashley and i were like i had no clue we didn't um but it was just like reassure her that you're trying i guess is like the best you can do um actually sorry i cut you off there no no i just listening to your story peter makes me feel like you got put in a really sticky situation once madison was brought back into the picture when you didn't decide to bring

her back into the picture at that point because it sounds like you and hannah ann were just incompatible and it was it was it unfair to bring madison into that so quickly um i i i guess guess from how the TV played it, it wasn't necessarily that quickly. You know, we had broken up in January, and then I didn't see Madison until, I think it would have, maybe late February, early March, right before the finale. It wasn't like right away, but yeah, was I confused. Yeah, and did that confuse me even more? Yeah, it did. I don't know if I would say unfair, but just confusing. the uh of you know i i want everybody out there listening because i do think peter there's uh i think

your story is so complex like i think what we watch in your season at first was like oh this we're not getting to know these women at all peter's just like super confused there's chaos all the time but really when you dig below the surface it's because there's a lot of complexity to it you know we don't take into account a lot of times like what you were doing to try to protect these girls or what you weren't saying to try to protect these girls or what you weren't saying to try to protect relationships or then fast forward as we just talked about like move into breakups and engagements

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where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to therapy for black girls on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. We're back with Peter Weber. Peter, just to summarize what we've been so far, we just got done talking about Hannah Ann and your engagement and your breakup and kind of some of the reasons why I'm sure that doesn't explain it all, but that, you know, we get a good taste of why it ended the way.

it did. Now we flash forward in the time in between because we're going to do this podcast kind of in a timeline. We see the finale and one of the things that broke my heart. And I don't know if you've listened to the podcast before, Peter, but, you know, my mom, my dad and I are very close. I love them dearly. During the show, one of my biggest fears was how they would come off because I know they didn't sign up for this. It's one of the reasons why when we did the live shows with them, I said, hey, just be very, like when you start to think you want to say something, like check yourself seven times before you start to speak. Because they get very passionate.

They're parents of a kid who, let's be clear here, outside of a few exemptions, like they're parents of kids who are getting engaged on a show to people they've never met, especially when they care about their son or daughter. And this is something, I mean, for me, and my family comes from a background of faith. Like, my mom has told me many times she's prayed for my wife since the day I was born. Can you imagine that coming from a, like me coming to her one day in a two-hour period and going, hey, mom, this is my wife. It's sad.

I get why parents freak out. And, like, Peter, I don't think you to feel alone here. Like, my parents had a really hard time with this, okay? but that still doesn't negate and I want you as a son because I can only imagine man like if I was you like Ashley can attest to this yes just like you know fans of the show we're like what was Barb doing I'm sure you felt the same way like mom I would feel the same way mom what are you doing

please stop talking like we'll figure this out later just like not on national television I can't do this now yeah skip over that because that happened Yeah. As a son trying to protect his mother and seeing the repercourt, like the repercussion from her comments and her behavior on a show and knowing where it came from, what did that feel like to you? It really, it was tough for a while, especially at the beginning. Those were some, like, tough days just to, like, see the attention that my mom was getting

in that way. And then just having, but just having time to kind of. to like really reflect on it and just talk with my mom and everything um listen again i know that my mom can know everyone that knows barb knows that she's extremely passionate and um emotional and that's kind of where i get that from but there's one thing that i wish i got a little bit more from my mom and that was just again like her like her voice and again we don't have to discuss like the delivery of it because that obviously just it was it could have been different but her voice and like not being afraid or wanting to like just follow the you know the direction of how a conversation

should be going or that that part of the show you know like she she effectively was standing up for me and what she truly thought was in my best interest and that's something that's not easy to do against against so much opposition it's just not and something I just wish that I had a little bit more of, and me, you know, and just, like, having my voice be heard and putting my foot down in situations and just be like, no, like, this is what I feel. And, um, but Peter, like, and maybe, and tell me if I'm crazy here, uh, but as much as I know my mom, like my mom had trouble, I'll be as, as, as, as, like, she had trouble trouble, uh, with my experience on this. She loves, you know, there was this time where, when,

Jessica, my fiancee now, and I first met. My mom wrote me, or actually called me. She wrote me a letter on previous relationship, but called me this time. And she just said, I just want you to know how happy I am for you. And like those words meant a lot to me. I knew that they weren't coming lightly. I knew there was a heaviness to them, but a heaviness that I loved and appreciated because I knew she had, that I had her support with my now fiance.

But I say this in the context of, I remember during. the time on these final shows being having a fear of embarrassment like a middle school me came back out of me and was like mom please don't say dad mom and dad please don't say anything too crazy here uh at a protection of me because i know it's coming from a good place because of the embarrassment that will ensue for me afterwards and i don't want to be embarrassed for you because i love you and so like you say that like we all know that barb was coming from a place of protection and love for you like that's never been questioned right but the the The part that hurt was like, at some level, and you yell at me if you don't agree, like,

at some level it's embarrassing. Like, it would have embarrassed me too. I had a fear of like, mom, dad, please don't say too much because I don't want to have to protect you the public because I love you so much. And I know you're coming from a good place, but they might not. Right. Yeah, I could totally see how that could, like, be embarrassing. I really could, but I think that, I don't know, I guess maybe just the way I've been raised

and like that's just every household you know they usually conversations like that occur behind closed doors but conversations like that do occur and there's no doubt about that ours just happen happen on live television and i don't know i maybe i'm weird about it but it's i was just in that moment i was trying to stand up for what i was you know i believe in what i wanted but i don't i never looked at it as as embarrassing or anything like that it's just i guess we've just we've just kind of, I don't know, I guess we've just become so open to kind of having been in this world for the last year. And obviously, my parents were really involved with both seasons, just letting people in to our, a conversation that occurs between family members. And not every conversation's

pretty and not every conversation people agree on, and it's all butterflies. That's real life. And I think at the end of the day, that's one of the beauties of the show is it just, it is a production that happens, of course. Is there something that has to happen for drama? entertainment sure but you know one of the beauties is it's real life and that was just another aspect of real life that yeah it's never been shown before on TV but that was just family talking and family doesn't always agree there's nothing wrong with that so so then I ask so if that's and that's great man I'm I agree with you that's a good perspective is like these conversations you know you know Ashley's dogs bark in the background and she yells at her mom you know my parents

walk through the background of the video and they distract me and I'm like guys get out of room like that just happens like that's part of life that's part of the relationship so then it leads me to this is if this was hard to watch on tv uh it was real life things as we've talked about for anybody they're listening that goes hey like but but okay but these kind of conversations are also the conversations that can separate families right right when talking about significant others when talking about love when talking about future like yes for you this might might have felt like, of course, she's protecting me. But for somebody out there watching, could have been like, oh, if my family had that kind of

conversation, this ruins us. So if somebody's listening going like, that felt like a heavier conversation than my family's ever had, and that felt harder to come back from than anything I've ever experienced with my parents, what was the healing process like? In as much detail, the better, because I do think there's probably somebody out there going, how in the world do you heal and come back together in love and support for your family after seeing that kind of conversation go down? Yeah, I mean, I just, I, I took, I went back to the hotel, I was there for a couple of days, just, obviously everyone just took some time to cool down. We were, you know, just texting each other and just checking in, making sure you're doing okay, but, you know, just giving it some time. And, you know, after the conversation I had had with, with Maddie, and we decided to just, you know, go our separate ways, you know, I went home. And I, yeah, was it, you know, a little awkward at first?

Of course, but, you know, it's just, I know it probably sounds crazy, but like my family, we just have always been so close, and it's like one of those things where, you know, I remember walking in and my parents were, they were making, they were making dinner in the kitchen. And I just went up first, I just, like, I gave him a hug, and I like, I hug my mom for a long time, get my dad a hug, and, you know, just told them that I love them. and we started talking about obviously what had gone down and that was it like that was I know it sounds like that sounds insane but like it wasn't my my parents weren't like they weren't attacking you know they weren't attacking me or they were always trying to have my

back in that and so we just discussed I pretty much explained to them the conversations that I had had with Madison and kind of like how I see it and you guys have yeah you've kind of been right you have been right and it's never been like my parents they never had they never like hated Madison it wasn't that it just they knew that it wasn't going to work and that's where they're that's what was causing the direction of that of that conversation um yeah I don't know I think people were like maybe hope I don't know they want to see like drama or attention but it's just not the way my family roles like i don't know it's just we're very close and close and um i mean if anybody sitting out there no matter what your parents did no like they could like and they're going

i hope this like ends poorly for them like i want to see drama intention and i want to hear a story of them like slamming doors in their face and not talking for two weeks like that's messed up oh yeah i ask you this question because i mean i know there was healing uh That's all we wanted. Yes, it made for a lot of conversation, and it made for some... More of the healing than was coming from us, just like, I wanted to be there for my parents. My parents wanted to be there for me, and we, I guess, just knew that it'd be better to be supportive of each other and be there for each other because we were getting attacked just

from the outside. So we didn't have to be attacking each other, not that we would have done that, but it just, just for that healing process, which you're so right, we are still going through, just knew that, you know, come together, don't push each other apart right now. And that's kind of why we did that. I would, uh, I think there becomes an age and like a maturity level where, uh, if you have the ability, right, there's obviously pain within families that you and I haven't experienced and we can't speak to. But there becomes a maturity level where all of a sudden you do make that commitment. Like, your parents make it to you and you make it to them to say like, no matter what, like, I'm going to

have your back here and I love you. And no matter what. No matter what. And like, we're going to work through some really tough stuff because we're all human and we all mess up and we all it gets convoluted and crazy especially when your son goes on national television to find love i get that i've been there buddy um my mom and dad and i are closer than ever um and i'm glad to hear that there was there was like a process to work through um peter we got to jump into you today and i know we've kept you longer than we told you but uh there's some there's just some massive headlines i mean i'm going to read them here um just a few uh that's brought you to this point uh taught i mean this is not coming from the almost famous podcast these are things that you're

reading as well so much for true love bachelor peter weber and madison pruitt split days after dramatic finale peter webber and kelly flanagan appeared to confirm romance rumors as bachelor starts to isolate together um you know we've had i i'll skip over some of these here the point of that was like you've been on the news you haven't stopped being in the news um so since your time on the show, just a few short weeks ago. Kelly, what would you like to say? Like, what is going on there? Pretty bad out there listening.

It's reading rumors that are seeing the pictures. Like, it's not a secret you guys are together. I mean, I think you're, I just got a TikTok too. You and I are being compared to each other by how bad we got it. I saw that. Wait, we didn't like do a TikTok challenge together or something. Yeah, to see who could get the most mean comments. be good. They're brutal, but they're actually entertaining. Those, I love to read. Those are fun.

So it's not a secret you guys are hanging out. Yeah. Truth is truth is truth as we like to say here. Tell us your truth. What is going on? What do you want the world to know? Yeah. So my truth. I mean, I'm in Kelly's apartment right now. I'm in Chicago, so I'm quarantined up with her and Dustin. and let's see so to go back so people can understand this we so we had met up again in LA when we just threw like a mutual friend Christian I'm not sure if you know Christian Hagridi shout out to her just had her birthday 28 but she was so Kelly is good friends with one of Christian's friends and Katie and through her brothers and so Christian and then were hanging out I was with Dylan.

We all ended up running to each other one night in L.A., got her number, and started communicating, always just, you know, obviously been very supportive of each other. And then pretty much, long story short, you know, Kelly was, you know, having some stuff she was doing with with her family, just like health issue stuff. And I wasn't flying for a while, so, you know, I knew she was by herself. She didn't have roommates, I guess. Her family was all in Florida. She was in Chicago, decided to fly out and spend some time with her.

and just kind of take her mind off things. That's when this was all kind of like the quarantine stuff was like, okay, stay home. And so decided to just kind of make this kind of like my home base. On top of that, I realize it's probably smart to do because my parents are in their 60s. I still live at home. I'm not going to risk. You know, obviously I have to fly still as an essential worker. So I didn't want to risk bringing something home to them.

So this is the place to be. And, you know, we've just been hanging out. And we really get along really, really well. and I, you know, I love, you know, every second I spend with Kelly. You know, she's an amazing person, and we just always have been supportive of each other. You know, are we dating? No. I am the first person to admit that I have been through so much, the emotional rollercoaster of all roller coasters. And the last thing I need to do is to jump into another relationship.

I just was engaged a couple weeks ago figuring out another relationship. but Kelly's just been someone that is just honestly just, she's been there for me and something that I just really, really appreciate and I'm trying to be there for her. And we just, we get along really well and have really good chemistry and, you know, who knows what the future holds. I'm not saying nothing could happen, but right now I just take things really slow and enjoying each other's time. This is one of the only times in the history of the world that, especially for you, Peter,

that you could literally make the comment we're not dating but because of self-isolation it's not weird to say you're living together okay that's what i was just going to clarify i was going to be like when you're saying you're not dating you're saying that you're not exclusive but you're like definitely kissing right listen no no no comment on that but i i will just say that um it is weird right this keeps getting more and more confusing like what's up with my life right now what's next i don't know um but no yeah there's there's no rumor that's just that's the truth and um i mean kelly's in there if you guys wanted to say hider so yeah that's uh we want to say hider yeah yeah uh yeah bring her in here um peter you if as she walks in and get kind of gets settled here

um you you seem not oddly i was going to say oddly that's the wrong word you seem uh more at peace right now than what I expected, right? Like, I just expected, I mean, I think anytime anybody gets off of a season, if it ends well or not, there's, like, this anxiety, there's this little panic. It's a confusion on how to enter back into the world. You get more attention than ever. People are taking pictures of you walking down the street. Like, it gets weird. You seem very much at peace right now would, and I hope Kelly does come in because I would love for her to hear this.

But, like, how much of that is because of Kelly? honestly a ton um yeah Kelly is just i mean since we kind of reconnected um you know i know it's so funny like everyone thought there was this thing with my mom and kelly way before that really wasn't my mom just was really supportive of kelly and like kelly i don't know

if there was the whole chicago connection but um so kelly is just constantly shown me that support and just been someone that i've been able to talk to that kind of just gets it we just went through a very similar experience and we just unfortunately on the show The show wasn't the perfect avenue for us to really get along well, but life's weird. And you know how you always say, like, things happen for a reason and, you know, you never know why it's happening or, you know, in the moment. But I don't know, Kelly is just someone that I'm extremely grateful for that, you know, she can be in my life right now during such a difficult time. I know she always made the comments like on the show like, oh, she just wants to have fun and like I wasn't having enough fun and like rewarding the, you know, the drama or whatnot.

But Kelly is the smartest person I ever met and just is so patient and just, it's just someone that I, at the end, they just really get along with really well. And honestly, like, I'm just really happy that we're able to spend time together during this time. And that's probably why you're seeing me, maybe not so down and anxious. Trust me, I've been that way. I've had my moments. But Kelly's definitely helped me kind of push through that.

And, you know, I owe a lot of that to her. I got to say from a rom-com point of view, your relationship with Kelly and all the serendipity that just keeps popping up the fact that you guys met before the show, you kept running into each other in the middle of the show, definitely makes for a good movie ending if you guys do end up, you know, finishing this quarantine with wanting to spend even more time together. Right. I guess that'll be the true test. Once we're allowed to, like, escape and leave this apartment and we're going to still spend all our time. Hello, howdy. All right, we got a special guest appearance. Hey, Kelly, come on down and sit first. Just a second here. Hey, Kelly.

Hello. It's the attorney. Chop, chop. Kelly, we just got done talking to Peter a little bit about kind of how you guys reconnected and what you guys are doing right now. He said it's funny. He won't admit that you're dating, but he says you're like self-isolating together. So I said it's the only time that you can live together.

without dating and it's okay for the world. He also has mentioned how good you've been to him during this whole experience as he's kind of going through, not recovery, but just like processing it all. Why are you being so good to this man? Like what is it that you've seen in him? What is it that you've empathized with that you're going, I need to lean into this person who I'm assuming you care about in some way? to be completely honest i don't know but since i've been young i've always just been like a little helper

in terms of taking people under my wing and just like kind of leading them in the right direction and especially with him like you could tell he's super smart and he gets it but there's some things where you just want to shake him and be like wake up like why what are you doing uh i don't know why i took it like in under why i took him under my wing but there's just some things that i could see that i i could tell he couldn't see and i just felt the need to be like peter what the hell are you doing and especially with him I could be like completely honest with him like believe me I don't hold back on anything like he hears the hard truth on everything whether whether it's mean rude he doesn't want to hear it um you know and he's able to handle it

and I like people that are like that I became really close with Kelsey on the show as well just before that for that reason like I could speak my mind and she's not going to sit there and take it in like a rude way like I'm not sitting here trying to be malicious in anything that I do I'm just trying to help them um Where did Peter do you help then? I mean, if that's what you're saying, like kind of like drew you in, and we get it.

Like I've known Peter since he started this whole thing. Like he's a, I've always said like he's a nice guy. He's a great guy. There are things that he did during the season that. I mean, I would have told him as a friend been like, don't do that.

Like that's crazy. Like as a buddy to buddy, I would have said like, hey, that wasn't smart. Not that you were like ruining anybody's life. Just like not smart. What were the things that you saw in him that you're like, I want to help.

why would you want to help him? I've always said to him, too, like, I'm always willing to help. If I see, I would rather hang out with someone who has absolutely nothing. They could be like a bum on the streets, but if they have a good heart, I would rather help that person than like a pompous soul who, you know, has everything and has to tell you how much he has. And with him, I just saw he has such a good heart, and I saw that he was getting manipulated every which way. And it just like kind of pissed me off. And again, I wasn't the best contestant for the show, and I think everyone knows that. But even with him, I, on the show, I'd see him getting manipulated and I just want to be like can you stop like make your own decision like stop um even in terms

with like him and him in my relationship on the show you know the first couple the first couple weeks I saw him like look at me differently compared to when we got on our one-on-one and I could tell 100% that like producers were in his head because on the one-on-one nothing happened between us but he had this like demeanor towards me that was like so pissed off and I was looking at him like what the hell were you told because you know what nothing happened here for you to have this, to have this like attitude. And so right then and there, I knew something was like going on behind the scenes. And I was like, this is bullshit. So on our one-on-one, which no one really saw, which no one really saw was, um, I just called it out. I looked at him and I said, can I just speak

freely? And he was like, go ahead. And I was like, hey, Peter, they don't let me see you. They locked me up in a closet for three hours last week and they won't let me see you. I said, you clearly know they push some people forward and they don't push others forward. And I I was like, you've been in my position before. What do you want me to do? But no, it's just I saw him like things were getting in his head that he wasn't able to make his own decision and it just kind of pissed me off. And I really don't know because he asked me all the time.

He was like, why do you even help me? I said, I really don't know. But at the end of the day, he has a great heart and I see that. And I think that's something that I was just like, here, look, I see this, I see that. Take it for what it is. Peter, you mentioned earlier that you think that maybe you and Hannah Annan, challenge you enough in your relationship. Do you feel like you found your challenger? Did you just hear? Oh my God.

I'm sorry. I'm nice too. Yes. Yeah. Short answer. Yeah. No. I just very grateful for her throughout all this and yeah, and all the patience that she's giving me some. Well, it's interesting between you guys and what seems to be going down between Hannah B and Tyler. We have a couple couples to be on or not couples sorry not to label it but we have a couple people feeling things out that'll be interesting um to see what happens given the amount of alone togetherness time you guys will be having Kelly thank you uh for jumping on uh it's been fun for us to follow the stories I know it's been crazy I know you know there's a thousand different opinions but uh thanks for coming on the podcast

thanks for talking to us and thanks for looking after this guy um keep doing your isolation saying Peter, before Ashley has a little fun with you here, I want to just take a second and talk to you and ask you one kind of open-ended question. We always like to give our guest the opportunity on the in-depth episode to kind of speak your truth to everybody listening. Some people come to the In-Deft podcast in kind of a hard place, maybe just a dark place. Some people come here just to share what they're doing and how happy they are. I would love for you to explain kind of again where you're at. And then where do you want this to go? Like what now are you hopeful for?

Where are you finding hope this whole experience takes you? Where do you hope your time with Kelly takes you and good people? I mean, I know Kelly isn't the only one you're spending time with right now. Like where do you hope this time of kind of being an isolation goes? This is a minute, two minutes, however long you need to just speak to our listeners on who Peter Weber is. Where do you want to go and how are you doing? yeah um i so peter weber um has you know i've experienced just so much in this last year um that i'm

going to take with me yeah for the rest of my life and um you know just every every relationship that i that i had on this show you know obviously worked or didn't work um just growing from that and learning to you know take time and like not rush in to anything like I've done just so many times in the past to truly just like you know do do stuff for me and like not not be so much of someone that's just trying to please someone and just uh and not put my foot down like just put myself forward a little bit more um that's one of the biggest things if I were to do the show over again, I would have done. And after the show, though, I'm 100%. That's, that's me now going forward. I, you know, throughout all this, like, isolation right now and, like, everyone has so

much time to kind of just process it and just reflect on everything about your life. You know, I'm looking forward to the future now than more than I ever have. And I think all of us are, and like one of the beautiful things about this isolation is no one's going to take anything for, in my opinion, no one going to take anything for granted after this is done. we're released, we're free to do whatever, like go out and just do what you need to do and just hopefully use this time to be like focusing on yourself, focusing on relationships, you know, with the people closest to you, and just become a better person and just not take anything for granted. In regards like with Kelly, you know, who knows like what this turns

into. Right now, I just know that I love the time that I spend with her. And for whatever weird, crazy reason, we are in each other's lives right now. And it's weird. I know. It's insanely serendipitous. But, you know, I'm just excited. And, like, I'm in a really good spot now. And I'm so happy that I can say that because, you know, even a couple of weeks ago, I wasn't there. But I just feel like such a stronger person, such a more confident person, someone that knows what they want and how to go about that. And I just, I just, I just, I'm grateful for that. That's what a good partner does, man. That's what I was just going to say.

That's what a good part of it does. So, okay, final two to just clean up some of that and help it make sense. So are you spending time in Chicago right now for you or just because it was serendipitous and you got locked down there? Are you doing this for yourself? Honestly, it's both. I enjoy my time so I don't want to leave except for when I have to go to work. But again, also just because not risking giving anything, hopefully my parents going back

home there when I do fly but yeah I'm having a good time and then final two things here one is for both of you just to clear cleared up because I do think one of the hardest parts has been as Kelly said like sometimes it's like we just need like the full truth to get out there yes or no like we need to fully understand is there a crush going on here like is there crushing happening between both of you Kelly you can answer that as well yeah definitely crush on her for sure. It's a little obvious. So that means that Nick Vile, Kelly, is not like in the picture?

I don't know what happened with that. Nick wanted me to post it, and I was, like, skeptical because I was like, why did I post it? And now he's coming out to be like, oh, what did he say that I was? Cryptic. That I was cryptic. I was like, I'm not cryptic. Why do I want rumors being spread that I'm going to? No, but, yeah.

But Nick's been supportive of all this. That's funny, though. That's, hey, we get it. We get it. Ashley, sorry about that. Kelly, Peter, thank you. Now Ashley's going to have fun with you. This has been a blast. Ashley, take it away. I have some questions for you guys who are currently quarantined and crushing on each other. What have you spent time binging on TV? Oh my God. So we've been finally finished it, but Tiger King, but we are two people that we just

have ADD to like the ultimate extreme. And so it took us and it's only like seven or eight episodes but it took us probably like a week of like trying to watch it same here same here jared and i weren't like that impressed people it wouldn't be that big of a show if people weren't quarantined right now i thought it was pretty shocking it's pretty crazy and then people keep telling me that it looked like the freaking guy uh the travis dude with the not not the husband the former husband one of the husbands yeah okay um any good movies you've watched together since we suck at watching To be honest, we were doing puzzles for a bit. We've been doing TikToks.

We've been doing a lot of dances. We have a lot of dances to release. You've got to work. What's your favorite food to deliver together? There's a lot. So, yeah, Chicago is known for the beef sandwiches. And so I used to live in Chicago for, you know, when I was really little. And there was a really great beef place here called Mr. Beef.

But Kelly introduced me to a new one called Portillo. So honestly, I've probably about 15 pounds since I've been here and get that almost every day. Ashley, it's so bad. I thought I was going to lose weight in quarantine because I was doing an amazing job at intermittent fasting. I was like going 16 plus hours without eating and now, but like, but the meals have been so heavy, so cheesy. That's hilarious. Okay. Is Chicago now on the map for a place that you'd move once you officially move out of your parents? Is Chicago? I honestly like I I've always thought New York or LA but I don't know who knows I Chicago's kind of similar in New York I don't know we'll see so you guys have really enjoyed

TikToking and crushing on each other what is the pet peeve that you guys have both discovered about each other since being quarantined the pet pee you know fine whenever we go to We go to Portilloes. We go to Portillo's? Yeah. When we pick it up. Oh, oh. So Kelly is, she's got a weird pet peeve that she can't have hot, anything hot on her lap.

No, hot food. Hot food. We do a lot of door dashing, or yeah, door dashing, but when we do decide to try to get out, we'll go in the car and, like, I always, like, try to keep it on her lap. It's, like, kind of piss her off. But that's, yeah, that's Kelly's pet peeve. What's mine? How do I enjoy it? of you. Oh, God. Oh, I started, I started, I just got a cameo and it's so much fun. And like,

I'm like constantly going around just like to it. I'm just having the absolute time of my life and she keeps looking at me just, oh, I did the one yesterday. It was kind of embarrassing. Then you like caught, remember? Oh my God. I think there was someone sent a cameo into him that was just like to an ex-girlfriend or something that was super rude. And it was like essentially saying like, how is your sugar daddy like status doing but i took it totally seriously and read it completely serious and then you'd laugh your ass off after i finish she's like you're not sending that right i'm like what do you mean i'm not it was hilarious and she's like that's like a complete prank and joke screwed you don't want to be affiliated with that do not do that and he was like what are you talking

about and i was like oh my god that's why kelly with the brains Kelly with the brains no he's an attorney guys she's really smart she's so quick I'm just a pilot My last question is a fun one right now. If there was one girl that you could have taken further along in the competition than you did, who would be? Come on, yes. It's Miss Chop Chop, right here. Amazing. All right, guys.

Thank you. You're so wonderful. You guys are great. This was awesome. I was actually kind of hoping that last question you just throw one back at her and pick somebody else just for fun. but hey. Hey, Peter, it's been awesome chatting with you. Thanks for sharing everything with us. I know we kept you over, but I feel like it was worth it. Ashley and I were very excited to talk to you. Kelly, thanks for coming on and talking with us both. We do this little thing at the end of every episode, and we're just going to ask you to follow along with us here because we're all in this together.

So just follow our lead, okay? Okay. On this week's in-depth episode, Ashley and I get to talk with Peter Weber and then at the very end, Kelly. It was an awesome podcast. One of a lot of complexity. I hope our listeners take a little time to process kind of through Peter's emotions and the journey that he's been on and how he's gotten to this point. Yes, he's made mistakes. Yes, he's done some things as Kelly mentioned that we just want to shake him and say, you can be better. But haven't we all? and the truth is he shared this whole thing with us and we got to be grateful for that. We wish Peter the best. We appreciate his time. With that, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley.

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