The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OG: A Bachelorette NO MORE with Jillian Harris

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Our Bachelor Nation OGs Bob Guiney and Trista Sutter are catching up with a superstar from Jason Mesnick’s season, and Season 5 Bachelorette: Jillian Harris! Jillian opens up about how she handled the tabloid fodder after the downfall of her relationship post-show and reflects on the heartbreak years later. What happened to her engagement ring she got on the show? Jillian is spilling details! Plus, is this interior designer going to be popping up on the Bachelor mansion renovation TV show? Trista and Bob are getting the answers! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel. Writer Strong. And Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. We are back in Las Vegas and giving the people what they want, a full week of Y2K content. Tell me why. Well, for the Backstreet Boys residency at Sphere, of course.

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Hi, everybody. It's Trista and Bob for the Almost Famous OG podcast. And I'm so excited about today. I love this guest. And I know everyone out there does too. She's such a fan favorite. She truly is like a success story in every sense of the word in that, yeah, maybe the show didn't work out for her, but she found her true love.

She went on to do amazing things written two cookbooks. She's written a children's book. she's birth two babies. She's about to get married. She has success stories out the wazoo, her jilly box. She's done some home improvement shows that I know everyone has heard of. Extreme makeover home edition. Love it or list it. And gosh, I just, I feel like everyone in Bachelor Nation just looks up to this beauty and this mom because she's so real. She shares everything with everybody and I truly feel like if you don't look up to her, you should. Right. Yes, I agree that she's super relatable too. Like, you know, when you actually meet Jilly, she is so sweet and funny and

unassuming. And, you know, she's, she's really all those things that you would hope she would be. And, and then some, you know, then you meet Justin, you, you know, you meet her family. And it's like, she's doing it right you know what I mean so I think that I think you're absolutely right that's a beautiful introduction to our guest who's joining us today who we are very very excited she's not an easy get by the way right I mean we had to work hard she's busy she's busy she's busy I mean the first option was like a month or two maybe two months from now and I was like well that's far away so I don't know if anything will come up but yeah put her on but luckily we got her You know her as Jillian Harris.

She was on Jason Mezzanick season. And then she was The Bachelorette season five. So welcome Jillian Harris. Jilly Bean. Oh my gosh. So good to see both of you. So good to see you too. Thanks for having me.

Thanks for coming. It was hard to get you. You're a busy lady. Yeah. You know, we are getting married finally this summer. and we have a new puppy. What? Who is that?

I saw. That's Chiro. That's Chiro. Look at that little beauty. Oh, you are precious. A new kitten. And the kids are out of school and I'm still working. So it's been a bit crazy this year, this summer.

I'd say so. Well, we were just talking about you how you have always been so sweet and just such a wonderful breath of fresh air and then of course the slippery goose he's out there he's doing his thing which we all love justin and yeah congratulations on the upcoming nuptials took me 13 years to really be sure see this is what's wrong with being on the bachelor you have like 13 days i need like 13 years i mean i will say though you're going to give yourself some grace because you guys were supposed to get married during covid right yeah we were but i wanted to can i wanted to cancel before COVID. Like, I was the happiest COVID ride. I was like, oh, thank God. Thank God,

it's a little pandemic. I can cancel my way. Oh, my gosh. So, before you came on, I introduced you. And, um, and I just said, if people don't look up to you, they should. Because, girl, you are so freaking amazing, like, so successful. So, someone that I truly, honestly, look up to from the franchise and just in normal life. as a friend, but I, you are just, I mean, a force to be reckoned with mom, soon to be wife, but a fiance up to that, and not just a human mom, but you had to, and I'm so sorry about Nacho, but yeah, of course. But now this cute little baby Chero, oh my gosh, I'm so glad he showed his face. Right back at both you. Oh, no. Thank you. But we haven't written three books and

do a blog and have a super successful. You've done your own. I know, but I just, I just, I just, but thank you so much, you know. Yeah, of course. I always like, I always tell my mom and dad, I'm like, we're only on this planet once.

Like, I got a lot to do. Like, there's no guarantee that we're going to get reincarnated or go to heaven or all these other things. People are talking about, like, I want to make sure I do all the things I need to do in my short time on this planet. So, well, you're getting a lot of it done. Yeah, you are.

You're getting some, Violet. You're getting your steps in, as they say. Yeah, that's pretty great. Okay. Wait. How long have you guys been? How long has this blog been going on for her? So the almost famous, the almost famous thing started with Ben and Ashley. Okay. And then IHeart and Sugarman approached us to do the almost famous OGs, where we would start, you know, we weren't so much about the current events, right? We were a little bit more about some stuff that's had some time to season. Good time. Right. Good times. Real times. The real, the real deals.

So it's been a lot of fun because, you know, we've touched base with so many people that we've met over the years and, you know, just loved from the show and from all the other things that they've done. But how many years, I mean, we got to be a few years in by now, right? What, three years, maybe? I was literally just telling someone about it. They were like, oh, tell me about the podcast. And I feel like it's been more than, because we moved into our house a year and a half ago. It's been at least a year before that. So it's almost three years, maybe four years.

I don't know, something like that. I'm so out of touch with podcasts, and it's so funny because I do a lot of, I'm a guest on a lot of podcasts. People always say I should have my own podcast, but I just, it's just never happened. But I, I know, don't take offense to this, but I try to listen to podcasts, but I think I have a very undiagnosed extreme case of ADHD. And so I can't even listen. I do too.

Like Justin, he knows that whatever he has to say to, he has to get it out. in like 30 seconds. Otherwise, I'm like looking, even my staff. Is that one of the secrets to your relationship? You just, he knows. It's the secret as to why it's taking us alone to get married. But like, even our staff, they joke that if I'm on a call for more than 30 minutes that I start shopping on anthropology. So anyways, I'm not, I, I, we get invited to some podcast too, and I'm like, I don't know. Is this fake? Is this real? I don't know. Anyways. I was like, Yes. I'm in. I know. I do. I actually wrote Caitlin a thing because she's good friends with Kristen Cavalry. I got invited to this one too. Me too. And I sent it to her and I was like,

is this legit? Can you ask her? Because I don't think it's legit. And I need to confirm. And she said, no, those things come all the time. So don't always send those people emails. My two favorites, Chelsea Handler and Kelsey, what's her name? The sister. The sister-in-law, the Kelsey. Travis Kelce's sister-in-law. Oh, yeah, yeah. Travis Kelsey's. Yes, yes, yes.

And my poor, my poor EA was like, oh, my gosh, you got invited. And I was like, this is fake. Like, that's so disappointing. I know, I know. But we've got each other. We've got each other. That's right. That's right.

Use us as your mouthpiece. We got you covered. Exactly. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and their the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him

because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel, writer Strong, and Wilfredel from PodMeets World. And we're bringing you Viva Las content. That's right. We are. are back in Las Vegas, the city of sin, and giving the people what they want. A full week of Y2K content.

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And then you went on to be a bachelorette. That's right. And you and Edward together. And you come off the show and hello tabloids. We all know it. We're all on the cover of tabloids. and the tabloids were a thing back then. It really isn't a thing now,

but I feel like you walk into a grocery store and your face is plastered all over every single magazine. And all that people are saying is that he has girlfriends that are not you and hello chaos. Like describe to us how that was coming off of the show and having to see all those tabloids and probably maybe even finding out tell us finding out about the girlfriends through the tabloids.

Well, I have to be careful because the last time I spoke about Ed was when we came together. Remember the Bachelorette reunion? Yes. I felt like it was fairly complimentary. Like I gave the calls based on what everybody, but I got a scathing email from him. Like, I'm talking like a 10-pageer. And I was like, wait a second, weren't you the one that was terrible to me? Like, I don't think you get to tell me what I can say or not say.

But anyways, I just didn't respond. And I honestly wish him the best. He's got a beautiful wife and a beautiful baby. Oh, my gosh. I sometimes creep because the baby's so cute. I got to see what she looks like and how she's growing up. Anyways, so I wish him no harm. But, like, yeah, that was this very, very traumatizing time.

And to his, to his defense, being on the show is a mind. It's a total mind. Yeah. And he asked to be on the show. He got recruited. And he did have girlfriend. met z uh at the time which by the way i've had i've had multiple i've dated multiple people before too that doesn't make him a monster um no but i think that he just thought it was going to be a fun

adventure i don't think that he thought that i was going to fall in love with him and that he might have feelings for me and i think that he was just like holy shit and every as you know once you get to the end your life has just exploded like you don't even recall what was happening back home because you're being jetted everywhere. You're at these fancy mansions. You're dealing with big wigs at ABC. You're on the Ellen show. Like it is so hard to stay grounded. So I don't fault him for any of that. But it doesn't matter. Just the whole scenario was so traumatic because in my little Jilly heart, I'm going to start to cry, but like I just wanted, I just wanted somebody to love me and I had like had such I just wanted to have I wanted I wanted a relationship

and I wanted babies and I've been heartbroken so many times and I was sort of like what is wrong with me I know what's wrong with me I'm 30 45 I know what it was wrong with me but anyway I just didn't see it back then and I was just like I'm actually writing a memoir I'm writing a book like from the time as a little girl and I've really been able to unpack some of the like trauma from my whole life and I think when that happened I just felt like failed again like I felt like I'm always looking even though my parents did their best like that was hard so I just felt like my whole life I could never had that one person that would just like take care of me and I just was convinced that Ed was the one even though looking back no he wasn't but like I just I convinced

myself and so when that happened I was like great here I am again just a humiliated again I'm a failure again. So it was just embarrassing and it just sucked. And it's not really Ed's fault. It's just we put ourselves in that position. He had a life before. I had trauma and heartaches that he didn't know about before. And actually, the show, I don't know if you guys have talked about this with any

your past clients, but they really give you such a vigorous psychological testing before you go on the show. I don't know if they still do that. But after my psychological testing, which is like a test, a book like this big, they actually brought me a psychologist and they said that they want me on the show because they feel that I would be good entertainment and I have all the qualities they're looking for besides the ones that Mike Fleiss doesn't like which is a raspy voice Canadian short no boobs you know but other than that other than that they wanted me on the show but they were really worried

about my emotional capacity if I were going to be heartbroken because somewhere in those psychological tests, they saw that I was very fragile. And when Jason dumped me, I don't know if I'm allowed to see all this, but when Jason dumped me, they actually flew that same psychiatrist, psychologist, to New Zealand to bring me home because they were so afraid of how heartbroken I would be. That is the first time I've ever heard that. I had to be like chaperone home. That's actually, can I, honestly, this is like one time where I will actually defend the show a

little bit. Yeah. That's amazing that they did that. Yeah, that would have been expensive. Like first. Yeah. Yeah, that would have been very expensive to hire her to pay her to pay for her room and all that kind of stuff. So anyways, it was very traumatic, but I do say everything happens for a reason. I always talk to Justin and the kids about maintaining an abundance mindset. And when you have an abundance mindset, you really have to believe that even the shittiest times are there to build you up and set you up for success. And so, yeah, it sucked. And I was like, after that moment,

I think I was like 92 pounds and I was very unwell. But I'm stronger because of it. And I don't know. I think I've just, I have more compassion because of it. And I have no regrets. I wouldn't pick somebody else. I wouldn't have fun. I had so much fun in the time that it lasted.

Like when we were good, we had a good time. Yeah. He was a funny, fun guy. Like, yeah. He was, I love your attitude. Yeah, I do too. Because you can, you can take, you know, and I do think sometimes the show put so much pressure on the success of that relationship. And, you know, the Tristan and Ryans of this world are very few far between, right? I mean, when you look at the track record of the success of the show in that mindset of what, you know, the success would be, there's very few people. And it's like, it is kind of hard because you come through it thinking that you're a loser. I mean, I went through the same thing, not as bad. I mean, I didn't, I feel like for me it was one of those things where I was not expecting it to work. And then when it would all of a sudden be working, I'd be like, oh, my God, this isn't, this isn't going to last, you know, or whatever.

I almost was like self-sabotaging. But I can totally relate to that. Because I feel like, especially when you come off of that and having the history that you had had previously, walking into the grocery store and seeing, you know, seeing your face on the cover of a tabloy with a rip down the middle does not do you any favors. no there was a rip down the middle a good memory yeah yeah well i had the same cover so i remember unfortunately a couple times for me a couple times on that cover but you know what you said ryan season it was so much more wholesome back then like i think it's gotten a little bit

you know raunchy or whatever and social media media whatnot um yeah so and you know bobby said something about like being a loser one of the things i tell the kids all the time is we're all losers. Can't be winner all the time. Like you can't be winner. You're just going to be a loser. And you're just going to have to sit with that and not find a way to make it funny.

Yeah. So true. Humor saves everything. It does. It does. Unless you're in the midst of a broken heart and then you need a psychologist. There you go. Yes.

I'm glad you had that. Yeah, me too. Did you? Did you, day in touch like with that psychologist did you meet with them after the show never saw her ever again i probably shouldn't have but my whole canadian american thing was always very difficult for me because um i actually the the show had me on as a contestant without actually figuring out like what if i won because once i once ed and i were engaged and i went to go move to chicago like not even

knowing anything about immigration i got i got the border by somebody who knew me on the show. And she's like, no, you're not moving to Chicago. And I'm like, what do you mean? She's like, nah. If I'm waiting for you to come through, she's like, you need to be married. You need to. So ABC had no choice. They had to hire an immigration lawyer. So the, oh my gosh. They actually did a really good job. They hired an immigration lawyer and invested thousands, tens of thousands of dollars to make sure that I could actually live with Ed. And I had to find, then remember, I found a job on Extreme Makeover Home Edition. And they I actually kind of sponsor me and prove that there was nobody else like me in the United States.

So what? That basically got you a work visa? That got me a work visa. Yeah. And I maintained that work visa for just up until like before COVID. But now I, I, wow. That's awesome. Now you're done.

You're just going to travel here whenever you need to. Yeah, I just travel for fun. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel. Writer Strong and Wilfredel from PodMeets World. And we're bringing you Viva Las Content. That's right.

we are back in Las Vegas, the city of sin, and giving the people what they want. A full week of Y2K content. Wait, we're back in Vegas? Tell me why. Well, for the Backstreet Boys residency at Sphere, of course. We sat down with Kevin Richardson and A.J. McLean just minutes before they took the stage, and our very own Wilfredel basically became the newest member of the band.

Boy band, please. Plus, the man who has the longest running comedy show on the strip joins us and gets his props. It's Carrot Top, baby. And finally, we all L-O-V-E-Hur. Ashley Simpson-Ross joins us to talk about her upcoming sold-out Vegas residency. It's a full week of nostalgic interviews you don't want to miss.

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It signified heartbreak. It signified growth. It signified like a huge step in my career. I don't think I would have found Justin without that like that experience. So I don't know what we're ever going to do with the ring. But what I told ABC is I want to you to loop me in with Neil Lane and I want to see from Neil that he actually wants the ring back. If Neil actually wants the ring back, then fine, I'll give it back.

But if he doesn't, I'll pay for it, or you can come down and rip it out of my cold, hard hands. It's just like, who actually wants the ring back? Who actually? Right. And they know that I tried so hard to make that relationship work. And it wasn't because I didn't want it to make it work. I'm like, just let me keep the fucking ring at least. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah. So I had always heard, and I don't know if you've heard this, Trista, or if you've heard this Jillian, but that they called it the guinea rule and that if because after Estella sold it and made a lot of money off it by the way they made it the guinea rule that you had to keep you had to stay together I thought it was at least a year yeah to keep the ring otherwise you had to give it back and they have a file cabinet full of them by my time it was three years because ed and i had been together for a year yeah still wanted it back three years wow that's so did you end up paying for it? They didn't make me pay for it. No. But they did. He did. Who was it? It wasn't Rob Mills. It was the other lawyer. I think he was also a Rob. I think it was a Rob. Another lawyer. Anyway, he did send me a huge thing of what I can and can't do with it. And to me, I didn't really care at that point. And it's kind of ugly. And he kind of looks like a football ring. No offense to Neil Lane. I don't know.

And we have enough jewelry now that it's like, I think we'll just keep it as a family heirloom. Yeah. Yes. Mommy did this crazy thing and this is the ring from that. That's funny. You know, it's funny. I have my engagement ring that was a Harry Winston in my safe two. And I'm just like, I'll just keep it.

And if Blake's Lee wants it or we want to make it into a necklace someday or Max wants to give it to somebody he asked to marry, great. Then we can do that. That'd be awesome. That'd be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those are the days.

Well, I'm glad you got to keep that because you deserve it. I mean, you were, and we've often, I think we met for the first time at the Janner wedding. Right? At the Jaden Tanner wedding. I just was looking up pictures of that recently. So fun. And I love that big group picture of all of us.

Yeah. It was so funny. We came away from that. And Canyon, my life was like, I just feel like Jillian Harris and I would be best friends. friend. I'm like, I know, right? I was pregnant. You know I was pregnant then? Yes. No, I didn't know that. No, I don't know if I was pregnant. So I wasn't drinking at the Janer wedding. Now, you think can you love me then? How about that Gillian Harris drinking? Because I am a whole new level of like, I'm like a Jillian Harris times 100. Times 100. Oh my God. That's so awesome. Well, we'll have to

see that. We'll have to see that. Yes, I like that very much. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. So one of the biggest pieces of news lately in Bachelor Nation. Oh, before I get to that, do you watch the show anymore? I don't. And it's not because I don't like it. It's my ADHD. I don't know. I think I don't know when this started.

And two, our kids are at this age that, um, first of all, we have to put them to bed still. This is so embarrassing, but they're almost nine and seven. And we still have to lay down with both of them to go to bed. And there's such night owls that by the time they fall asleep, I'm going to bed. Like I'm, yeah. I'm following sleep with them where I go to bed. And then while they're awake, Justin's actually quite strict as to like what he allows our kids to like

concede. Good for him. I'm not. I'm like last night Annie and I fell asleep looking at the anatomy of a vagina because I was explaining to her that the vagina is actually the hole in the middle. It's not the labia. So I'm super, super, super open. But Justin would not allow our kids to watch.

Oh my gosh. Justin needs to give me some lessons. I, so I'm the you and Canyons, the Justin. And I'm just like, like, she'll be like, I won't know that she has told the boys this. There's no YouTube, you know, nothing. And they'll come in and they'll go, hey, Danny, can we watch YouTube on your phone? I'm like, oh, sure, here you go. Yeah, have a good time, buddy.

And then I'm in the dog house for like the better part of a week trying to claw my way out. So I need some lessons on how to, how to strict it up a little bit. A very common conversation around our house is Justin saying to me, what the hell were you thinking? I'm like, oh, oh, I wanted to. because it was a lot of big of a deal. I wasn't thinking. I was just doing. I just do that.

Oh, I love that. Oh, my gosh. So you're going to be the one having the birds and bees conversation like I did with my kids. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

Okay. So good. So, good. So, good. So, one of the biggest pieces of news lately is that they're going to be redoing or renovating the Bachelor

mansion. Yes. Needs to be done. Have you gotten a call from ABC? or no like really it would be from HDTV actually listen if they contacted me

and wanted me to do it I said I was not going to do any more TV ever okay okay but I would do that but I'm not really an interior like okay so when I was when I got scouted for the show I had taken two years of interior designer courses and I was a restaurant designer. That's all I did. I think I did one or two houses, but I had never done like residential. I only did

restaurants. And then I was on the show position as an interior designer. And then I got hired on by Extreme Makeover Home Edition. Sorry, I need to focus my thing. I got brought on a extreme makeover home edition. But that's not really interior design. It's more like decorating, which is probably what this house would want. But it's, it's not really legit. Like you're not really a legit designer. You're more just like picking out pink colors and like it's not like cad and specifications and binders and right right and then when i was done with extreme hook over home edition i went straight to lover list it and loved her list it you have legit interior designers that are bringing your vision to life so i was basically just like a a glorified client really yeah and now i have now i don't do interior design

now i have the jilly box and my instagram page and i don't do any interior like i hired an interior designer for our new house. I'm not doing the interior design. However, I could play the interior designer for the Bachelor Mansion show. I would just need a design team and I could give my, the Jillian Harris aesthetic. There you go. Like it. That would really work.

And I'm great on camera. I'm great for drama. Yeah, you are. Drama. I think this would be a great like four part episode. I would love it. For sure. For sure.

I don't know why they wouldn't. Because actually, we've heard that they are hiring. They're bringing. um people from bachelor nation but what about joel joel joel joel jojo will do it yeah i'm sure jojo would do it for sure jojo and jordan they're a team we actually just had chris lambden on and i think he oh yeah he does some renovations um there's tyler cameron i mean they have more i did i did a a rocky mountain reno show i definitely was not the brains of the operation and had the had the team behind us too um but yeah no they're bringing people back you are a natural fit you were on the

original extreme makeover home edition yeah you got to do it let's go yes i'm interested i think i mean we're putting it out there in the universe yes yes trista still like they still like trista back there of this whole yeah she owns it she runs it it's called the trista at i won't say for the longest time, I never had time. Like, I had love at her list, and I had babies and COVID. And other than the Bachelorette reunion, I never had time to come to any of these events. But recently, I'm starting to have FOMO. Yeah. Oh, we need to do something. Like, for real. We have talked so long on our little text chain,

which has been radio silent for years, I feel like. That's so awesome that we have that. We do, but we never do anything with it anymore. We need to bring it back. We need to bring it back. And get a trip on the books because it would be amazing to get all the girls together. But also, I have always told Rob Mills, we need to do a, like, a reunion for everybody. Like, how crazy would it be?

They don't have to fly everybody in, but maybe it would be in L.A. I don't know where it would be. They could get a specialty discounts on the people who can pay for their own free days. We're all adults. Yeah. Totally. Like just a big, huge fun party. Organize it, televised it, and we'll be there.

After you guys did the Bachelorette reunion, I kept waiting for them to call for the Bachelor reunion. Like, I thought they would do one, right? You know what? And they just didn't do it. And I was like, oh, my God, what? This would be so interesting to me because you'd have more interesting with the ladies because it's the hair or the makeup. That's true. Like, you guys are all just sitting around farting in the same outfit.

No, Firestone and I love getting our hair done. It's true. Everyone knows that. If we can get a little glow-up, we're both happy with that. Oh, a little glow-up. I can't. All right.

Well, we have so much more we want to ask Jillian. So we are going to take a quick break. And when we return, we'll have more Almost Famous OGs with Jillian Harris. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcasts on IHartRadio

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