The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OG: Bad to the Carbone

Episode Date: June 11, 2022

Bob Guiney and Trista Sutter are hanging out with a serious Bachelor OG from behind the scenes! Producer Jason Carbone has some unbelievable stories from his time working on The Bachelor during the early seasons! He was there for EVERYTHING: The dates, the travel, the make-outs… and he’s ready to tell all. We hear his first impression of Trista and how the show has changed from a fantasy story into reality TV.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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crazy busy week thank you for being flexible i uh i was speaking of love which we do so often i was just in san francisco witnessing the nuptials of my brother-in-law my wife's younger brother and uh yeah very unconventional guy so he did a very unconventional wedding on a tuesday in san fran That's crazy. Was it during the day or during at night at least? No, no, during the day, four in the afternoon. During the day. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was three in the afternoon. That's just crazy. And it was in the middle of like a wind tunnel. I don't know anybody who's gotten married on a Tuesday. A Tuesday at three o'clock. Well, the original plan was that they were going to go to the courthouse and they had this courthouse they loved in San Francisco. And so I think that's why the time and the day

were kind of reserved. And then they changed their mind and decided they were going to do it at the Rotunda, which is at the Palace of the Fine Arts, right downtown San Francisco. Very beautiful location. Yeah, very pretty. But definitely unconventional. So it was fun, though. It was fun. I mean, that's a way to get your location. Do it on a Tuesday at 3 p.m. And I'll bet you save money on a location fee, too. I can't imagine that's high demand time. But I'd like to take a moment to wish them a very happy life together. And I thought it was a wonderful wedding. So I was proud to be there for them. That's very sweet. I would also like to take a moment to congratulate, or I hate saying congratulations for this,

but to say I'm really happy for Lauren and Chris Lane, who just announced that they are pregnant with their second baby. Yeah. I am just so happy for them. Dutton, their little boy, is the freaking cutest. I am obsessed with him on Instagram. Like, any time she has a story, I'm just like, oh, I love that kid. I want to meet him someday in person and just squeeze him.

He's so cute. That's awesome. She does have, she did talk about how she was diagnosed with something, I think it was called something cord insertion, minor cord insertion. I can't remember what it's called, but it's basically where I guess the cord inserts into the placenta close to the uterine wall or near the wall instead of in the center of the placenta, so it could potentially mean that the baby won't get as many nutrients as it should. So for another reason, a marginal umbilical cord insertion. Thank you. Okay. Anyway, it seems

a little scary. I mean, when you're diagnosed with anything when you're pregnant, I know, because I was diagnosed with tons of stuff. It is terrifying. At least she's had one, so she knows that all can go well and hopefully it does. I'm sending her my love, my prayers that this pregnancy is just as healthy or healthier than it was for Dutton's

and they get to welcome a sweet little baby. Oh, I'm not going to say boy or girl. Yeah, I hope so too. I don't know her personally. She seems lovely and then I've got friends who are mutual friends with Chris so I feel like I know them even though I don't.

But man, I sure hope I sure hope it all goes well and, you know, everything comes through in a wonderful fashion for both of them. Yeah. Agreed. I mean, another Bachelor baby, even though they didn't meet really through the Bachelor and he wasn't from the Bachelor, she is. And of course, everybody that is part of the show is part of Bachelor Nation. And so I'm really excited for another Bachelor Baby. I know. And speaking of people who are part of the show that are part of Bachelor Nation, a little bit later today, we're going to be joined by a very special guest. who was a huge pivotal person in both of our experiences on both The Bachelorette and The Bachelor. Well, you were the Bachelor than The Bachelorette and then me, the Bachelorette, then the Bachelor. And we're very excited to have him on.

It's a producer from the show named Jason Carbone, who I like to call him Carbona narcolepticock is what I call him. Carbona narcolepticock. Yes. I'll explain it when he's here. Okay. But I will tell you it has to do with sleeping in weird places. Yeah, because that's what you have to do as a producer. You got to catch a catnap when you can.

Because you don't have time. I'm telling you, right? How else you can never get any rest? I mean, honestly, most of the time, they are on set. All hours of the night, too. They don't all the time get to go home, especially the people who are with the lead. Because the lead is always, as we both know, you don't get a lot of sleep. You don't get a lot of down time.

No, we would come back. I'll never forget when I really started realizing. Because, you know, I think, you know, the process in and of itself can make you a little self-absorbed, right? Because everything's sort of around you. And I remember I was complaining about being tired or something. And I remember Carbone and Sally and Saliano both are like, bro, we're with you on everything. and when you actually do go to sleep, we're over at the house with the ladies filming them.

I'm like, oh, my God, that's right. Or editing or talking to the, you know, execs or whatever, yeah. Makes you realize you can't really complain in those moments because, you know, you're at least getting to have fun and do fun things. And so are they, but, you know, it's a definitely experience. But what I loved, and I'm sure you probably had a similar experience to me on this one, is several of the producers, even though technically they're not supposed to, became your friends.

and became people that you, you know, and Jason was definitely one of those people. I feel like he was, he was a friend of both of us and still is to this day. And so, you know, I can't wait to talk with him when we have that opportunity today. And I have to say that we were going to have Ashley Eden's on, but she's sick. So she couldn't show up. So, Ashley, if you're listening, we really wish you could have been here today and hopefully we'll have her on in an upcoming. coming show. I would love, we haven't brought this up yet, but we need to have our spouses on this show. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Canyon will not do it probably without you calling her and

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Jason Carbone is coming. Hi! My boy! Greetings and salutations, Mr. Guinea. I unfortunately don't have a guinea at the ready. Oh, now, see, that's problematic because I always do, my friend. There you go. Always does.

So, Jason Carbone, welcome to this show, the almost famous OG podcast starring yours truly Trista Ren, nay, Sutter, or Trista Sutter, nay, Ren, and me TV's Bob Guinea. Now, Jason, I want to have you help me with this real quickly. before we get into why we both mutually love you, I told Trista that when you and I were spending so much time together, two seasons in a row there, that you came under the name of Jason Carbona Narcoleptococ. Yes, indeed. And she's like, you need to explain that.

I said, no, no, we're going to wait. We're going to hold off on this until Jason's here. So one of a, you know how Trista on every season they do the, I'm not sure they still do. Not anymore. They don't do the bloopers anymore? Oh. Well, not really, but they also don't do.

They don't do that pre-interview that you did the sit down for where the event in question occurred. Yes, that's a valid point. So we did. Like the pre-interview with Harrison. Yes. Yeah, got it. And so, you know, this did show up in my blooper reel at the end of the season. It did.

Because Jason, you know, like we were just talking about, you know, if one of the leads would ever complain. about how tired they must be, all they really had to do was put themselves in your body for the six weeks, now eight, 12 weeks, whatever they do. Because not only were you with us at all times on everything we were doing, but then you were also editing, talking to the girls at the mansion, you know, dealing with whoever. Whatever. And whoever. And whoever. And so the people that were really probably even more exhausted than us had to be you, the producers, right? Well, I look at it the same way I kind of look at my then tolerance to booze. It was an acquired skill set, right? So, like, over time, you know, like when I was younger

and doing this show, I could drink far more than I can drink today. Sure. Conversely, it took a while to get to that level of tolerance. And in the same way, it took a little while to get to, you know you were at that point Bob I want to say season four yes yes these right so you were like the fourth run of this so at that point in time I had had my track shoes I'd been to the Nike factory and they out there you were at the apex of your game yes pretty close to it so we're doing the pre-interview and in the middle of the interview like Chris asks me a pressing question and I remember thinking like, is there any truly pressing questions on this? I was a deep one. I remember pontificating and sitting there thinking to myself. And while I paused, I hear

no. Yep. And Harrison and I are both looking at each other. And they hear it again, and we're like, what is going? And I'm like, is there a bear on the loose? Like, where are we? I mean, we are in Malibu. You never know what could happen. And then all of a sudden, we realized it's Jason. He had laid down behind the couch or whatever with his headset on and his is it all that stuff and he dozed off he needed to catch a cat nap before that evening's festivities and uh and so that was there that was uh the onset

of jason carbona narcoleptychocococ so just to put a finishing button on this uh I have subsequently been diagnosed with sleep apnea and I now sleep with a CPAP machine so not only was I working really hard, but I was dying several times a night, every night, in my sleep. Yeah, because you stopped breathing with sleep with sleep, oh my gosh.

So now I thought of a small machine that I travel with, and I literally, I feel like I did when I was 16 again, where like I was going to say, are you feeling so much bad? Yeah. I'm sleeping very well. And, you know, as I refer to that machine, that was the life extender. Heck, yeah. Well, you look great. You look younger.

You look, I mean, you look amazing. You're in an amazing shape. Yeah. Yep. He's got a wife who cooks, like, she's a chef. Oh, yeah. So I bet he's got the good stuff. She's legit.

I had a few family dinners there at the Carbone household, and I will say they were always delicious. And, of course, you're a proud father. I mean, so let's ask you this. When you came off the show, and I know you came off, you went off and started your own production company, and immediately jumped into doing a whole bunch of different things, Life of Ryan, a bunch of different things of that nature. Were you, like, finally at that point, like, oh, my God, I'm off the hamster wheel. Like, I can get some sleep.

Or was it just, did that just shoot you into the next level? It's just a different hamster wheel, Bob. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's that realization you have when you set a goal for yourself and you climb to the top of the mountain and you get there and you're just like, man, I'm at the top of the mountain. And when you start to look around, you realize there's thousands of other peaks that you're not at the top of the mountain. Right.

You've just begun to the extent. So it's as long as you want to have a career and as long as you want to continue to be paid to be creative, you're constantly, you're constantly plugging away. Yeah. It's the thing that. that nobody realizes is that, you know, we're all independent contractors, right? Yeah. Like we all are looking for our next gig. So when I went to work for Mike on The Bachelor, he offered me something that I hadn't

had in a long time, and that was security, right? He was just like, here's a two-year contract. At that point in time, he had just sold the idea of the Bachelor, and he had just showed the idea of a show called high school reunion. And he was like, these are the first two shows that I'm going to make. And, you know, he said directly to me, he said, I can come up with these ideas and I can be crazier than the next guy. I need somebody to make the stuff.

And, you know, that's what he looked to me to do. Yeah. Hey, so I would love to know, if you remember being part of either of our, uh, our interview like interviews you know like when we were yeah when you guys were auditioning yeah audition interviews were you there were you in the room with both of us okay can you tell us like i i remember only a little you know little bits and pieces but i'd love like your perspective from those those moments so trista for yours you were the first cast that we saw in mass Right? Because on your season, it was the very first time we were casting Bachelorettes. And so...

But were you there for Bachelor, too? Were you there for Bachelor? For both. It was the first time we were casting Bacheloretts for our Bachelor, right? We were casting 25 women to meet Alex Michelle. So when we did it at the Universal in one of the hotels there, I want to say the Hilton or the Sheraton. And we had a conference room. And we were shooting it, and you guys thought we were shooting it for tape to be on the show, but we were also beaming all of that into another big room where a bunch of executives and ABC folks were all sitting there with food and drink and hanging out and watching it like it's a TV show and everyone's making their notes.

Yeah, exactly. So it's, you know, the thing that you have to remember for your first season, Tristo, when you were, you were competing with 24 other women for Alex's affection. We needed to prove the thesis of the show and prove that it was a legitimate way to find romance. Like now we all take it for granted, but, you know, back then, we had to prove to the audience that this wasn't a lark, right? Right. And so part of that was Alex had degrees from Stanford and Hart. He was really smart and that alone validated it from his perspective.

And conversely, if you look at that group of ladies compared to where they are today, we had doctors, lawyers. We had legit people because, again, we were trying to prove a theory. We were trying to prove and validate that this wasn't just a television show, but a legitimate way a man and woman could meet. and fall in love. And in order to do that, we needed a higher caliber of contestants than I believe they go after today. Yeah, that's interesting.

So do you remember anything specific about anything that we said or anything we did that stood out that everyone was laughing at us? You were both slam dunks. Let's be honest, Trista. You were a nurse working with children. They're still nervous.

Okay. Yeah, all good. Same same. Working with children while also sideline as a Miami heat cheerleader. Check, check, check, check, check. Check, check. Every box checked. Yeah, no doubt.

And you're incredibly smart, very articulate, beautiful, stunningly beautiful. Like, you literally checked everything we were looking for. And in the room, Lisa and I were like, top four. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Why not number one? No, I'm just kidding. That's what I always say, like, top four about Ryan when everyone's like, did you fall in love with him the first night?

And I'm like, he was top four. He was one of my top four, you know? He was a favorite, early favorite. Yeah, early favorite for sure. Seaworld date really kind of put him up a notch. Yeah. Yeah, you think? I mean, the playfulness, but also the poem that ended up being the poem that he changed.

changed into a song and it was our first dance. Yep. We had like that really awkward kiss. Oh, and speaking of awkward. Okay, I have to bring up one more moment. For long distances? Jamie Blythe. What?

What? No, no, no, not that one. Long distance, limo rides, Bob? I'm talking. I thought you said the word awkward. Sorry, I was triggered. Awkward. Jamie Blythe, what?

No, no, awkward was in Seattle. Oh. Oh, yeah. Here we go. He knows. So, in Seattle, we get, the note that, you know, we can, we can, uh, forego our individual rooms to join, to spend the night as a couple, stay together in the fantasy suite, sweet, yes.

Language on that hasn't changed in any time. It's not changed at all. So Ryan was like, check please. And we, he's like paying the guy at his speed to get to the hotel. We get there. We look at the hotel and all of its, it's beauty. And we proceed to hang out on the couch, hang out, meaning make out on the couch. As Jason, I feel like you were maybe in front of us. No, it was at the W hotel. It was at the W. You had part of the date on a house post after the scene. Exactly. That was earlier that day. And that was hot and steamy too. But this particular part was like, way better than your date with Russ. Yeah. For sure. How about how about it couldn't have been better than the date with Greg

though at his apartment. That was pretty cool. That was pretty good, too. Yeah. But no, so we're making out, and Jason is sitting, like, I don't know, 20 feet away, something like that. And it had been, how long do you think it was? I think it was probably like two hours. No way. Stop yourself.

You have no sense of time when you're with you. A two-hour make-out session? It was not a two-hour make-out session, not even close. But you know what? You were lost in the moment, Trista, and time. Time had no meaning. Yeah, until we were like, dude, can you please leave? Because we really just want to have this fantasy suite to ourselves.

Yep. That was always awkward. Even in Guinea season, like we changed it up a little bit because we had, there's a great shot that never saw the light of day. But in one of Bob's fantasy suites, we had a camera set up in the corner that was on report and Bob and I forget who it was went into the bedroom and they were canoodling and all of a sudden Bob's like what's that red light over there and he put me on high alert and he made a B line for it and I was oh we got to use that B line of Bob going and turning off

the camera because that was that was the good shot right yeah yeah it was a different way of shutting the door and putting the tag on it they would use that nowadays right like then it was like, oh, no, no, we can't, you know? Yeah. For sure. Definitely. Well, I remember, I remember being with Jason in so many circumstances and always, the hard part was, you know, because we had become true friends, it's like I'd look to you for advice on things. And when things would be froggy and weird, I'd be like, and, you know, you forget you're on camera and you're supposed to be, you know, just laboring over a decision. And I'm just like, Carbone, man, what do you think? I don't even know. I mean, I'm almost lost right now. And he's

look over there he'd be like you know i'm not here we'll talk about it later not in the room i'm not here yeah totally that is so true you want to have those conversations with these people including you sally ann leis levinson whomever was participating ashley edin's um who was supposed to be on the call today but she's sick so she can't be here but um i know love ash so good love ashley um But, you know, whoever was there, you wanted to have a conversation, and it is a really kind of weird, hard situation that the leads have to be put in because you have to act like no one is around. And you get used to it, but it is true. It's like, you know, we're around you guys 24-7, you know, when we're sleeping and you're not or you're sleeping and we're not. Yeah, we're talking and you're sleeping.

No, there's not a lot of that. I know. Not a lot. I think it's interesting because, like, with both of you, I developed a relationship past the television show, right? This is now over a decade's relationship, right? And I was at your wedding, Trista, and for Bob, as you've gone from NBC to this or that, like, we're always in constant contact. And I think that, you know, I can't say that about all of the seasons I did, right? But I would also say that on both of your seasons, like, I think the producers made time off camera to make sure that you were supported and you felt that stuff was going on that was sometimes larger than the show. And we understood that.

And there were times that the show needed to take a back seat to what you guys were dealing with. And, you know, I think that, you know, I dare say there was a bit of a heart there at the time, you know, where I think now it's a little less fantasy and a little more reality TV. I agree. Yeah, we've actually had that discussion on this show quite a bit where it's been like, you know, how have things changed over the years? And the comedy of it is it's literally night and day. I mean, the show's called the same thing, but when it really comes down to it, you know, I mean, for Trista's season or for mine, really, for that matter, I mean, especially on Trista's season of The Bachelorette, we had no idea what you're getting into, right? It was the first time, she was on the first time the show had ever been taped,

and then all of a sudden she's doing the first version of the female lead. And so now it's like people go on with such a- A lot. A lot. She carried the load. I'll just be really candid there. Like, she was the torchbearer, and she was the torchbearer on a television show that very easily could have beard into slut shaming and we we worked really hard a for that

not to happen but you know i don't want to speak out of school but i but i recall several instances where it was abundantly clear to me that there was no need to shoot anything but there was a need to spend some time with trista to make sure that um that everything was a a okay, but more importantly, like, when you get on that wheel and it gets going, there are times where my job is to acknowledge that the star of the show can't keep that wheel going, and we need to either help them and run next to them or oftentimes literally pick them up, get off the hamster wheel, and say, we're taking a break. and when we're good

we'll get back on that hamster wheel but it's not until you're good and I think that I can recall two instances off the top of my head where Tristan needed that time and it was just like I get it like we're asking I don't think people realize

just what is required when you are the lead on this television show you can have an idea but even talk to people that are on the show now when they get into that role they'll still tell us you, you'd think you know, but you don't know. Yeah.

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Do you recall those two instances? Because, of course, I'm on the wheel, so all I'm thinking about is the wheel and the guys and my emotions and trying to keep it all straight in my head. And, like, I think it's really interesting to talk to you from your perspective, like, you're watching us go through this, knowing what the premise is, what we're hoping for at the end. Yeah. And you see us actually going through all of these emotions, but from a distance. Like, you can't always be in it with us or talk to us about it while it's happening. So I'd love to hear your perspective. Like, what were those moments?

Well, for me, just real quick, and then I'll talk to those moments. I think that while I didn't study psychology in college, this show was a wonderful place to learn about the human condition. Oh, for sure. I think it's one of the reasons that, reasons that people loved watching it in the beginning at least, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Totally agree.

And so for me, I was able, you know, you, you know, I did between at and Bachelor, I think I did eight seasons of the show, right? So like anything, when you turn around and you look backwards, you begin to see things that line up. And so you're beginning to see patterns emerge and you're beginning. to see, oh, when this happens, that happens. And so you begin to see cause and effect emotionally in a different way. And so it got to the point at the end where you're almost able to predict what's going to happen and oftentimes alter circumstances. So something different happens because you know if you do, there you go. So, but to yours, like one, I'll be really honest. One was when,

we were shooting a video because if you remember that season, you made videos that you sent to the guys for the dates, right? And they popped in the little tape into the VCR. How crazy is that, right? People did they be like, what is this thing?

What's a VCR? We had made a custom Chargers jersey into a dress. Yep. and you know those jerseys have a lot of holes in them okay they do and so when trista put it on there was a moment where trista wasn't necessarily comfortable wearing the out of it right and so there was a moment where i said trista i totally get it you need to be comfortable why don't

you go upstairs take a look at yourself in the mirror if you're not comfortable we'll change something we'll do this, we'll do that, knowing full well that Lice is the biggest Charger fan in the world. Of course, he's not going to go with anything different. I'm going to get fired, but I have to remain calm and I have to make sure that Trista's good to go

because this is early on and we're still in group dates. You know, we're early in the show and I don't want to disappoint Trista at all, let alone in the first week of shooting. Yeah. Right. So that was one.

Yeah. Other. And I know Bob remembers that moment. I remember him being like, I mean, because that, that, that, no, that wasn't the C-World date. That was the Chargers date. Because I was wearing the Chargers jersey. I remember you in the Jersey. I remember the whole video. I remember standing there talking to it. It was a little chilt up and it was a reveal and it just looked stunning. Yeah. I was like, oh, I think. And all the guys went crazy in the house exactly what you anticipated. You know, it was, it was a big moment in the

house and all those guys were thrilled to be going to a Chargers game. Yeah. Yeah, it was really fun. I still have my jersey from, oh gosh, what was the player's name? And I threw a pass to Doug freaking Flutie. Like Doug Flutie. Nice. It was awesome.

And met Drew Breeze. That's when he was with the Chargers. Lee, L.T. That was it. LT came out and gave me a jersey. That's awesome. Yeah, that was a really fun date. Anyway, okay, enough about me.

I don't want to talk about me. I want to know if you had the opportunity to work on the show with all of the changes that have happened to date. Would you, like, we always get the question, would you be on the show if you knew everything about The Bachelor to date? Would you be on it now? So the same goes for you. Would you work on the show? Would you do Paradise? Or not Paradise.

Would you do, yeah, Bachelor in Paradise? Would you do all? Just knowing what you know. Um, you know, it was a different time when we did the show, right? It was literally like the Beatles were coming to town when we rolled in the town. It was like doors opened up, things that you didn't anticipate even being possible were suddenly possible. And that's not to say that those things don't happen to on today's show. But I believe then there was a level of intimacy amongst everybody where we were all in this together.

It was that kind of sense. And so there was a familial aspect to it that I thought was really important. But I think the most important thing, and I think this is the biggest difference between then and now, is we really were doing a Disney show. We were doing Cinderella, right? Yeah. It was like the, you're going to the ball, you have a chance to fall in love with the prince. It's a ticking clock, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. And we're all the mice and the, you know, fairy godmother's making magic happen behind the scenes.

So it really was Cinderella. I think that they've gone away from that. And I don't think it's quite the fantasy that it once was. I think it is now much more just a really high-end kind of, you know, love connection. Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I mean, I think you're absolutely right. The fantasy was the goal, right? That was the end game when we were on the show.

And now it's like, you know, you've got people coming in as characters ahead of time. They're riding in on horses or showing up wearing... They've got their strategies. Yeah, they're wearing like a dolphin costume. is really important and this is huge and this and this to me is the greatest difference social media when you guys did the show no one came on the show thinking they were going to become an influencer or thinking that they were going to get followers or they could turn their appearance into a lifestyle or even a job right like yeah these were things that were you did the show and you then went back

to your normal life yeah that's not happening anymore so i think that you just Starting there, you already have a level of artifice because you can go on the show now thinking, okay, well, if I come in second place, I could potentially be the person who stars in the next show. And if I make an ass of myself or I'm a star, but don't make it very far, I can go on Bachelor in Paradise. And if I don't do any of that, some show on Wii TV will have me for something. I'll deference to your appearance on Wee, Trista. They were very nice. I love everybody at week.

But you know what I'm saying. It's just like there's an ecosystem that now exists for all of these people who appear on these shows that never happened before. That's so true. Yeah, people make a living out of it now. Like they go on and it's like, you know, four or five, six times around. It's like, okay. You know, plus there was a lot of unpredictability to, I shouldn't say that.

I meant to say there's a lot more like predictability, I should say, to what we did it. And then all of a sudden it's like now people randomly show up when they've been kicked off. three weeks later and then show up on a date and it's like, whatever manufactures the drama, you know? I started that actually on television season. Yeah. Flice came to me after the rose, after the, after

hometown, I think it was just before exotic. So what is that? There's four hometown dates back then. You were four hometown dates and then you went to exotics, right? So the most, like our first female villain, Trish, she was a wonderful lady. still in touch with her to this day. Jesse's?

Jesse's? Yeah. So she got kicked out after hometown dates. And Mike was just like, she's the best thing about this show. You got to figure out a way to get her on exotics. And I was like, huh? You wanted to show up on an exotic? And he was like, yeah, figure it out.

Oh, my gosh, amazing. So at that point in time, I really wasn't doing those exit interviews anymore. but I got into the back of the limo and an hour later she was convinced that she needed to go to Washington and speak her mind. Oh my gosh. You know what?

I think that's a really common thing. You need to speak your mind because in this show and it happened to me on The Bachelor which I don't know that we've talked about on this podcast yet but and I don't know if you were involved in the conversation.

It was Mike and Lisa to my knowledge. I'm sure you were involved somehow Carbone but yeah um when i when alex said goodbye to me the the next day i was like yeah at the lunch hotel yeah i was like dude i remember it what the hell brought alice to you no he didn't come to me we just got on the phone no there was there was a point there there was a point in time where like well maybe i i i i have there's so many things that are amalgamations at this point Right, I know, I know. From so many seasons, it's like, who the hell knows?

I'm sure. But so I was like, you know, you finished. And the guy is like, too many guineas. The guy's like, okay, you're not the one. You're like, oh, okay, goodbye. And you have nothing else to say. Like, it was really, really awkward. And so I reached out and I said, I need to talk to him.

I'm sorry, but I need to talk to him. And thank God, Lisa and Mike were like, okay, You can talk to him, but nothing is going to happen because you guys are not meant to be, like, in their minds, you know. So we're not going to let you guys meet. We're just going to have a conversation that is recorded in case anything does happen. And they, they, like, wouldn't let me because, thank God, they didn't. Because if they hadn't, maybe things would be different. Yeah, I know.

It's true. So I think that it is really interesting at the end. And I do think that there is a way to bring, I don't know, maybe that's a change that they can make in the future, but some kind of closure. I don't know. There's too many people for closure, so I guess you can. Yeah, I don't think anyone's ever going to, like, too many people to get closure. But, you know, what I quickly realized after that first season and seeing so many people walk away with regret was my speech in the limos from that point forward involved the three words that I think are the key to success on the back. bachelor. Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Yeah. What was you done differently now that you're in the limo, right? Yeah. Like I get in the limo and I would say, guys, don't walk away from this show with these three words ringing in your head. Coulda shoulda woulda. This is it. You guys came here. You packed a lot of dresses into a lot of suitcases. You got all dolled up. Give it your best shot.

Don't go in there and suddenly get overwhelmed by the cameras because if you do, your odds are you making it out of tonight. Yeah, that's so true. Yeah, you're right. That's so true. I mean, you really have to have that mentality when you're on the show because if you don't go for it, then you're never going to let your walls down. You're never going to fall in love because it's such a short period of time,

especially it was for us because we were only six weeks. And now I think it's like 12. That was quick. That was just relentless. Oh, my gosh. I was talking about in particular, I was talking about the one night with someone not too long ago, actually where we went on a date to Vegas

on the way back from Vegas we land and they're like okay Bob we've got to do your ITMs you know we got to get you through this we get through it it's like 4.30 in the morning and Carbone's like all right jump in the shower we're picking you up at 545 to go on a hot air balloon date but we gotta catch

we got to catch it as the sun's coming up baby so let's go and I'm like okay and so you know I get in there and it was just like this but you were there too so it's like you know, I really couldn't sit there and bitch and complain about being exhausted because it's like, 545, they pick me up and it's me and carbone again. You know, here we go. I felt like I was dating Jason. Well, that was my role to a certain degree was like I was eat both of yours kind of like

shepherd for lack of a better term where it's like I was there to make sure that we were up in the morning and that you had something in you so we could start the day. If you needed something on the way to wherever we were going, let's take care of that. You know, both of you, what times would whisper in my ear, make sure I'm not having to spend it an ordnant amount of time with so-and-so. And, you know, unless I looked back at you and I said, I'm sorry, it's too good a TV show, Bob, you need to talk to her. You know, it's funny. I was, when Trista was talking earlier, and I just kind of, I didn't say anything, but I was remembering one time when you swooped in and saved me, actually, and we won't name any names, but I remember saying, literally, I'm like,

you know what, I'm going to excuse myself and go to the bathroom. And I go, go, went to the bathroom and knowing that I'm Mike that I don't unpack my because I didn't have to go to the bathroom and I'm washing my hands I'm like guys I need to get the hell out of here and we need to go we just need to go I uh and I came walker back out and I got one of these I'm like okay gotcha so I sit back down I have you know cheers guys what a lovely pleasure meeting you all it's really time we should probably go but it was like I was I was I literally was in the bathroom going guys I can't I can't do it SOS SOS I remember that I remember that well.

Jason, one last question. Do you remember when Ryan couldn't be found on the final? Were you the one searching for him? So let's talk a little. Let's unpack this a little bit because there is so much to unpack here. Okay. So you're talking about the Bachelor and the Bachelorette parties that took place on St. Martin in the Caribbean. Oh, no, I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about the very last. Well, that also was a we didn't know. Ryan was. Sorry, I kind of, I led you down another road. But when he couldn't be found for the final rose ceremony. I think that what happened in St. Martin so overshadowed that for me because of so many other confluence of events that were occurring on that island. Right. Yes. Like there was so much going on there and your parents were there and there was a Lovely, parent. Everyone.

Everyone was there. And if you remember correctly, I got viral vertigo while I was there. Oh, my gosh. Yes. And so I literally, like, at one point, they were like, we don't know what's wrong with him. We might need to medevac him out of here. Oh, my gosh. I totally remember that.

I forgot all about that. And as this is all going on, I, like, am going from post to post holding on to things. trying to direct and now trying to find Ryan. And then after that day, literally I was confined to a bed until they flew me out. And it took me a week after I got home for me to have some semblance. How did you even fly? I can't even imagine flying in that condition. It was one of those experiences where I remember specifically on the car ride home from the airport.

every like quarter of a mile I said to the driver you got to pull over and I would wrench it was the worst I mean one of those lovely gifts that The Bachelor gave to you

And Bob was like the host And it was insanity Oh yeah that's right Bob you were the host I know and then In St. Martin was Was like the best of times And the worst of times

Yes Yeah true story I do remember the casino there too I remember going to the casino there and gambling and having a great time. And I, you guys must have done that on your thing. Because the girls, we went to this bar and we had dinner. And then the girls gave me like a dare list or whatever that I had to check off the boxes and like take a picture with the guy. We also had a very early kind of harbinger of things to come on the internet with shop bop being down there.

And if you remember, Trista, you and all of your. bridesmaids got to like have your run of Shop-Bop they basically set up a little boutique there in St. Paul. Yes. And you and your friends went crazy at Shop-Bop before Shop-Bop was acquired by Amazon. Oh my gosh. That's pretty neat. Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah, I remember we got those jelly purses. It's probably why they got acquired by Amazon. You put them on the map. You're welcome, shop-up. You're welcome, shop-up. Yeah, no, it's you know, it's

there's been books written about the show, but the reality is that there's no there's nothing yet that really kind of represents what it is we all shared and what it is we you know, like in all candor, you

were both trailblazers, right? You, Trista, particularly you. Yeah, for sure. You were doing things that took a lot of lot of courage to do. And so I commend you for that. I certainly wouldn't want my daughter doing those things at the age you were when you were on our show. So how do you handle yourself?

You know, it speaks, I think a lot to the way you were raised. Yep. Thank you. Yeah, think about it. She went on the first show, then she's the first female lead. Then they televised her wedding. I mean, there were a lot of things going on there. There was a lot of pressure on you, too, to deliver. One of my favorite moments, and Trista, I'm going to tell a story about you at the wedding, okay? So we're at the wedding, and things were going a little slow with Trista. Okay, she was having a hard time getting out the door. So I was sent in to see what the situation was and what was going on. And, you know, there was a million different tradeouts for that series, right?

There was tradeouts for everything, short of socks, because bombas hadn't been invented yet. And so I go in and they wanted Trista to wear this earring and necklace set that was just like monstrously large and a very gaudy. And I go in and Trista is saying, I don't want to wear this on my wedding day. And I have, I'm talking to Trista. I'm talking to Trista, I have people in my ear saying, Carbone, what's going on? She should be walking down the hallway. They're ready to start.

Where is she? Where is she? And I literally saw, I looked at Tristan and I go, Trista, give me one second. And I turn around and I'm just like, I'm having a moment with Trista and I need five minutes and you all need to fucking relax. And so I turned back to Trista and I said, Trista, it's your wedding day. you're not going to have to wear anything you don't want to wear. Yeah.

And Tristan looked at me and she was just like, you understand me. Thank you. And I was just like, we're all good. And then I wore it. Yeah. Then she wore, she didn't wear the earrings or she didn't wear the neck. She didn't wear one of the pieces. And I was just like, we're good.

We didn't get it all, but we got half of it, guys. And that's going to have to be good enough. And in three, two, down a lot. Yes, like that's what you want. Like, as is in life or as the lead on The Bachelor of the Bachelorette, you just sometimes want to be heard and seen. And especially when it's your freaking wedding day. It was just like you had all these people scared to upset Trista and scared to upset all the sponsors.

Yeah, right. I was just like, no, the only person we don't want to upset on her wedding day is Trista. Is the bride. Thank you. Like, come on. Like, we're good. We've got all. We have a bunch of other stuff covered in here.

We're good. Like, let's not worry about this. This is a big day. Let's see all those pink chairs. Oh, man. That's right. That's right. Ah, yeah. We love you, Carbone.

Thank you so much for being here. Thanks for joining us on the show. I love you guys. I could do this all day. We could do, man. We could too. We told them we were like, we'll fill a whole hour or more. Not a problem.

It's all good. Yeah. We love you, brother. We love you. Awesome. Continued success and tell everyone we said hello. All right, buddy. Thank you.

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Yeah, absolutely. I have called him so many times over the years saying, you know, I want to do this with you. I want to do that with you. What should I do in this situation? You know, just for advice or just to chat. I mean, he's just solid, you know. Well, you know, not just a great producer, right? Or someone who knows their way around the.

industry, but someone who's willing to let their gut down a little bit and be real and be your friend, even during both of our experiences on that show when, you know, if you think about it, that's the one thing you don't really have, right, as the lead when you're there. You don't have any of your friends or family there. Well, I did. You met them. Oh, I did have friends. Yes. No, that was, that was one of the only seasons that I was allowed. So I had my best friend from college. That's right. That's right. Shannon Oliver, who was on the Bachelor with me. Love her. Yeah.

And then Missy Babone, who was my best friend from grad school. And I got to have all of them there. They lived in the house with you guys. Yep. I remember. They got to vote on who I was taking on dates. Like, I actually got friends. They would evaluate us.

They would evaluate us from conversations and stuff. I remember that. Totally. Yeah. So I had a very unique situation in that they let me have my friends. That was something that I requested. Like, can I have some friends come and help me? They are a huge part of my life.

Yeah. And I feel like I have said over the years they need to bring that, bring that back. But when you don't have that. Well, they did that on my season for one episode, like not even an episode. Like one, two day. I don't even think it was two days. I think it was with one day. And it was because it worked so well on your season, they carried it over to my season.

I remember doing it. Yeah. But it was only one day. But when you don't have. Yeah. I mean, even though I did have friends there for most of it, the producers you're with them all the time. And you just, you, you have to vibe. Like, even the producers to this day, you have to have a producer who can get along with all different personalities who can

make people feel seen and feel heard because that's where the good stuff comes from. Right. That's where the reality comes from for reality television. I really, I really, you got to trust the people you're talking to. I agree with you. I agree with you 100%. Yeah. Well, yet another wonderful episode of the Almost Famous O.G. And we had, that was a true OG right there. That was a true OG from a production perspective having Carbone on. I mean, man, alive. Love that guy.

Just love him. Yeah. And he's doing great for himself now. Oh, my God. So good. I know. I know. So good.

Okay, well, thanks for sending in questions, everybody. We were going to try to get to them today. But we don't have a lot of time. So we're just going to roll that over into next episode. I don't know who we will have, but I am going to pitch that we have our spouses on soon. Soon. I can say soon.

And I'm going to write, I'm going to write Jess, and I'm going to say, please come and chat with me. She'll do it for you. She will not do it for me. I can assure you. And you probably didn't notice, but during a few of the stories, I was like muting my line because my son was literally trying to break in here. I'm like, oh, m.g.

Here we go again. I heard him. Fadney on the door. He's like, Dad. He's daddy. Why aren't you opening the door? I was like okay and I'm like and I would literally mute it and I'd be like babe let's go hello help anybody so yeah oh my gosh but you know what next next week is father's day right and that's a big day and a big day for me a big day for for Ryan big day for all the dads out there I don't know how many dads listen to our show I hope I hope a bunch but um carbone's a father I mean you know I'll tell you man I waited of course I waited of course till later in life to have kids, and it is such a special experience for me to, I'm so thankful that it worked out the way that it worked out for me to be at this age where I think, I think I would

have always wanted to be a super invested in dad, but to go through COVID and be able to be at my house for basically a year and a half with my son and my dad. I'm going to get myself emotional here, but it's like one of those things where it's like you go through those experiences in life, timing just has a way of working out, right? And it's like, I'm so thankful to be a dad right now. So I'm excited for Father's Day. Yeah, you should be. We get to celebrate you

and all the great dads out there, including some from Bachelor Nation, and we won't tell you who's visiting. You'll just have to tune in to AFOG next week for our Father's Day episode. Yay! Bye, Trista. All right.

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