The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OG: Bouncing Back with DeAnna Pappas

Episode Date: December 5, 2022

Fresh off their conversation with Brad Womack, our Bachelor OGs Trista Sutter and Bob Guiney talk to one of his final choices, DeAnna Pappas!  DeAnna shares how The Bachelor has changed since she was The Bachelorette in 2008, and we hear her real thoughts on the rise of influencers getting their start on the show.  And she reveals what she said when her daughter first saw the clip of her kissing Jason Mesnick!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So he can't make it today. I'm really sad. We miss you, Bob, but I'm really excited about our guest. We've got Deanna Poppice. She is one of my longtime bachelor friends. Well, really kind of my sister in Bachelor family. And I'm really excited to talk to her today. So Hana, will you please bring Deanna in?

Hi, beautiful. Hi. So for everyone listening, it was Deanna's birthday. happy happy birthday um what did you do it years young that's right that's right i'm going to keep telling myself that but i have to tell you so we just had brad on um which we'll get it yes oh how was that it was great um he's just one of the nicest people um just so sweet and it was great to talk to him just i mean obviously we can go into it huh i'm surprised he did the podcast I know.

Shocking, right? He does not do this stuff. Like, is not on any social media whatsoever. Yeah. Like, has never been on it before. So, yeah, we were really excited to talk to him since he doesn't. Nope, he's dating someone. And it seems like they're serious-ish, like they've talked about kids.

But I don't know. Oh, wow. I don't know. We'll see verdicts out. And honestly, we might not even know if he ever gets. married because he's not on social. You know, we can't keep up with him in any way and whatsoever. No, she's kind of like.

I'm so glad to hear he's doing well. I saw that Harrison posted a photo last week of the two of them together, having lunch or something like that. And I just thought, it's just really great. It's good to see him, you know, and people still keeping in touch with him. You know, I'm glad to hear he's doing well. Yeah. Yes, of course.

It was great to talk to him. You know, I know you're like me and we don't wish our exes any. bad juju but yeah no you know yeah i i mean he's he's a great guy um i have nothing but love for him um so anyway i was going to bring up so brad's birthday my 50th as you know was um at the end of october and brad's 50th was november 10th and so he was talking about kind of the same vibe like oh yeah it's just a number or whatever and i i'm sorry i love that everyone's saying that and I know. Listen, I get it. It's better than the alternative of not having a birthday. I understand that, but I just don't like it. I don't like aging. You're funny, you have never liked getting older.

No, ever. You do this every year. I know. We do our group text and we're wishing everyone a happy birthday. You do this every year. You do not like to get older. And that's okay. A lot of people are that way and right with that means a lot of things because we are huge. women, right? And that comes with a lot of changes. And for women in particular, physical changes. And those things are hard to like look at ourselves differently or see our bodies changing or or ankles or gray hair or all of the things. It's hard to do those things, embrace those things and feel good about those things. Do you know what I mean? Gaining weight. Everything changing. Like it's hard to still be positive with those things because you still want to feel really beautiful.

but honestly I'm with Brad like 41 I feel pretty good you know I don't know that I would go back to 25 yeah right I would go back to that body any day right no honestly I would think that anytime but like totally like as a person emotionally and like my mental well-being and just being more secure in who I am at This age, you know, with that comes like, hey, it is not about how many friends you have. It's about the quality of the few that you do have. 100%. And like, I don't know that I understood that when I was younger, you know? Right, right.

No, I have a lot of conversations with Blake'sley about that because, and pardon me for having a hot flash right when you were talking about aging. I was in therapy yesterday on my birthday. I went to therapy, which is A for sanity. That's right. your birthday? And I was like, yeah, a little birthday sanity. I need it. Hey. I was sitting in there. And it was, I swear to God, halfway through, it was like sweating. And I was like, I'm sorry. Is it, is, do you have the heat on? Why is it 105 degrees in here?

She goes, well, you are 41. And I was like, holy. Oh, damn it. Smokes. It's just really happening. Is that the first one you've ever had? Yeah. I mean, it was. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it was really hot in there, in my defense. Yeah. She just, she just, she just. was fine with it. No, they are not fun. But, you know, I, yes, the physical stuff is,

is not fun to deal with. But I will say, just feeling older in terms of my body and what I can do is such a bummer. Like, I hate being in pain, like having back pain or knee pain or my body just doesn't work as well. A tough year, too. Yeah. No, just health-wise in general, both you and Ryan, like, those things are just tough. And it is a rude awakening. to realize that we just don't bounce back as quickly as we used to. Totally. That is such a downer to me because I used to like, hey, I'd, you know, go whatever, not work out and eat whatever I wanted.

And then I'd be like, go back to the gym. And two weeks later, I'd be right back where I started. Not anymore. Even if I go like two days, which I never do. If I did two days at the gym, it would still take me like six months at least. I never do. you don't ever you don't ever work out i mean a little bit oh my gosh how i wish come on i've gained like 15 pounds like i'm i'm the heaviest that i've ever been in my entire life i can't tell you

the last time i've seen my six-pack but like i just but i guess i'm kind of just in this place of where just like acceptance i just wanted to get like my mental health and my emotional well-being together. I just do what feels good right now. And if that means I work out, then that's great. If I don't work out, then I'm totally fine with that too. If I go to it and I don't work out, you know, sometimes that's okay. All right.

Right. I'm just doing what feels good. I'll get out and walk a lot. I do enjoy that. Yeah. I enjoy to get out and walk my dog and listen to a podcast. So I do try to at least do that. But really at the end of the day, I had two martinis at dinner last night and I feel like I need a nap.

Like for the next week. I know. that too like i yeah alcohol we don't drink a lot of alcohol but still when we do i i feel it even if i have a glass of wine at night i feel like a little sluggish the next day it's not bad but no i would like want to go back to bed right now yeah right well you're not allowed we're going to talk for a little bit longer um but i do you you know i i love that you are in a place of acceptance and happiness and doing what feels right for you. That's what everyone should do.

And even when you're younger, like I was about to say, with Blake'sley, I have had so many conversations because she is a teenager talking about quality of friendship as opposed to quantity. Like, it is so much more important to surround yourself with people who lift you up rather than just having the numbers. You know, we talk about that constantly. it is a hard learning lesson even at 50 I feel like there are definitely times when when I get um I'm sad because I feel left out of something or you know but everyone has families and their own

you know lives and it's just hard these days people are busy people are busy yeah yeah I think the other like hard lesson I mean I'm trying to implement implement this with my own children but But it's been a hard lesson for me in the last probably year and a half in particular is on the same concept of how many people, right? How many friends you have. It's not quantity, right? It's the quality. And I think that it is so important to be truly and fully loved wholly and authentically for

who you truly are. Do you know the good and the bad? Right? Because we all have good and bad. and we're all a product of how we were raised. And no one is perfect and, you know, we have strengths and we have weaknesses. And it's truly important to be around and surround yourself with people who fully love you for who you are physically, holy, right?

We're children of God and he loves us as broken as we are. That should be done. And if you are not being surrounded by those kind of people, you need to reevaluate your situation and your friendships and yeah i'm all right with that i'm all right with yeah people who are willing to put on the boots and walk through the shit like those yes those are the kind of yes i want to be friends with because that's the kind of person i am right right loyal is my fault and i love so truly deeply that that's just who i am like that's the kind of friend i am and that's the kind of friends that i want and that is so important and i want that for my children i want that same for anyone you know

Same. Same. It has to be, it's very intentional. Like, I feel like the word of the last couple of years has been intentional. Like, you know, focus your intentions on those who do lift you up and who support you and accept you and all of those things. So, yeah, love you for that loyalty. Building relationships and refinement. That's what it is, right? We're meant to make other people happy. That's not what we're meant to do. Right. relationships and I mean across the board marriage you know significant others friendships it's about refinement it is not about making someone happy or changing someone it's about refinement totally and I feel like these days I am just trying to get through it like I you know what I mean like there are times when like yesterday for example I got my hair done um you know going to the hair salon your hair looks so good today. Oh, thanks. So I go and I get my hair done and it's always a day that Ryan hates

because I am gone for so. I mean, you know, as a woman, well, you probably don't because you get a little highlights, but you don't have to do anything because you have gorgeous hair and probably not a lot of gray. This must be where they start right underneath here. This is all gray. Oh, yes. Or just right at the top, there's like a boom. Yeah, like one little wiring one that gives up. Yeah. No, I have started coloring them because that was a real thing. I was like, where are these coming from? What is that? Oh, stress?

Uh-huh, life. Anyway, so I was gone most of the day, and he hates the day. And, of course, I get home later on in the day. And this is, of course, after I go pick Blake'sly up, and I, from a friend who she had to sleepover with, like all these things, you know, right? Went to the gym, come home. And I'm like, do you want to do anything?

And he's like, I just want to hang out with my wife, you know, like. I've been gone all day. all beautiful. I know. I'm like, you know what, some days I just got to have a me day and put time in. I'm sorry that I can't be around 100% of the time to make you happy. But, you know, sometimes I just got to take some time for me. So, yeah, it's so true. Yeah. We got to do it. Yeah, that's right. Okay. So tell me about what's going on in your life lately. I know you do the podcast with Jessica. Are you blogging still? I know you're flying. So tell me what's going on. I have not been doing any of those things. Oh, you haven't. Well, you did fly recently. I know you

am still working quite a bit. And I feel really lucky to work for one family in particular who I just genuinely love. I've been with them for a really long time. They're really good to me and they're really good to my family. Yeah. Tell everyone what you do, though, because I don't think everyone knows. I know. So everyone is always so shocked to hear that I have a real job. I am a real person. That is fascinating when people write me on social media, like if I post that I have been flying or whatever, I still get people who email me, or sorry,

DM me and say, wow, you work? And I'm like, how could I not? There are bills. Bills around here. Like, who pays the mortgage? I don't know if you know the cost of living in the state of California, but it is really high. Yeah. No kidding. Yeah, I am a corporate flight attendant. I have done it. And for those who don't know, it means private aviation. I work in private aviation. I can't imagine working for Delta passing out peanuts and pretzels. Right. Especially coming from where you're coming from.

It'd be awesome, Addison. Maybe she'll follow in mommy's footsteps. Yeah. So I work in private aviation and I like the freedom of it because I genuinely am a foodie. I like to cook. and the people who are more will taste anything that I make. So I get to cook and do that in flight, which I really appreciate. And then also the whole concept of being able to travel and staying in a hotel and go places that I want to go all by myself. Yeah. Yeah. So I have done that for, gosh, 11 years now. 11 years.

I had some friends who I have like this transitional period of time after I did The Bachelor where I really wasn't sure what to do with my life. Yeah. I think we all do. Yeah, yeah, it's weird because you're a normal person, but you're also put in this place where it's hard for you to do normal things. Yes. So I couldn't do real estate anymore because I just had strange people who wanted to hang out with me and were utilizing my time to get to meet me and pretend to buy a house. You know what I mean? And then it just wasn't safe for me to go out alone and show houses anymore. So that was hard because I was still pretty young and I was really good at it and I just didn't know what to do. So, and then as you know this, trust of with the opportunities that come after the back for it, I get to do really cool things. Like I got to work on the red carpet and I hosted a television show and I got to go to Iraq twice in Afghanistan and twice to visit the troops and just opportunities that I really enjoyed and that I didn't want to turn down. So then this period of time where I was like, do I want to continue a life in television? Like what do I want to do at 30 years old, you know?

I didn't like the concept of people willing to go over whoever they could to get on top. Yes. And I couldn't get past that because at my core, I am not that person. And I didn't want to compete for that. Yes. Like I just wanted to feel full and I wanted to be happy and I wanted to have a career that I enjoyed. I would like to make some money. You know what I mean? But like I couldn't I couldn't deal with that. I couldn't deal with the competition or walking into every e-news audition. and sitting there with four other bachelorettes. You know, whoever was popular at the time got the job. Right. You know, it didn't matter how good we were.

It was whoever was popular at the time. And so I just didn't like how it made me feel and where it was going. So it doesn't mean that I don't still do things like that. If something really awesome falls into my lap, then I will still take those opportunities, but it has to feel right for me. It has to feel right for my family. It wasn't a career I pursued anymore. So I had some friends who were in the business and were willing to turn in my application for me.

And before the Bachelorette, I had had a long history and service industry. And that's really all I am. I'm a glorified server in the air. And also I love it, but how fun. Yeah. I really enjoy it. So I've been working a lot. Long story short, I've been working a lot in traveling, which takes up a lot of time.

And then I'm finding that when I'm away and I come home, I really just want to soak up my time with my family. So it's hard to squeeze in those other things where I, I really enjoy the creative pieces of blogging. I still have my website, but I haven't done anything in a really long time. And the podcast, too, we're just on a break. I'm not really sure what's happening there. And I kind of feel free without it. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, of course. That's what happened to me. Yeah, yeah. And we recorded down in Beverly Hills. So, you know, I enjoyed it. I don't just don't know. I'm a bit of a transitional phase. So I'm not sure what's happened.

But yeah, as much as I travel, then when I come home, I want to spend all of my time with the kids. And that comes down to even, like, you know, social media stuff. Like, I really kind of have veered away from doing any kind of, like, paid post because it's just not worth my time. Yeah. Or my effort. And I'm kind of like my goal.

And it takes a lot of time. Yeah. My goal is to be an influencer. That's not my goal. That never has been my goal. Like, I have no problem sharing, you know, products or things that I truly feel good about or like passionate about like I don't do it just for the yes I'm not willing to right tell my life for a paycheck like that's not who I am think so I you know I don't know

I think I'm just like I'm trying to figure myself out again yeah I feel the same way a self help journey I'm reading all of the books I don't know if you I want to show you this I'm yes for my girlfriend for my girlfriends I follow this girl on Instagram I yeah how we heal And she is like a self-help, like account, but she, you know, anyway, I totally got like, what do they call it? What do the kids call it these days? Tick-Tocked? I bought it. I got an ad. What do the kids call it? You know what I mean? But it's a self-help book and it's a self-healing book. And she posts a lot of, um, uh, inspirational things on Instagram. And so I started calling her a long time ago and really like stuff that she put out. So I think that's where I'm at. I'm on a bit of a, um, self-healing journey. You know what? I think that's awesome.

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I love that you are willing to talk about it openly and say, you know what? I want to make sure my life is a quality. I'm having a quality life. you know and why not go on a self-help journey i've always felt like it was so interesting that people don't talk about when they because i'm i'm an open book you know that like if i'm having a bad day health in general has just been so tough for a long time and also i think that kind of transitioned right around the covid time where so many people struggling people either thrived or they were they were a mess you know what i mean yeah yeah um we thankfully thrived

during COVID. I loved nothing more than being locked in my house with Stephen and our kids. Like, it was the best years of my life. Like, I loved it. It was the first time ever that we were home at the same time and got to have dinner every single night with our children. Do you know what I mean? Yes. Yes. I loved not having to over commit myself and go into there or do anything and just be able to be with my kids every single night. I loved that. But I realized it was not that for a lot of people. So mental health and mental health awareness and suicide prevention, all of that has been brought to such a light in the last couple of years, where it was so taboo to talk about before, like, hey, I'm struggling mentally. I'm struggling right now. And I so appreciate people who are

not scared to say that right now. And I'm not like I pretty pride myself on the fact that I've always been an open book. Like I don't really have a lot to hide. There are obviously, things that I keep close to my heart. And when I'm ready, I will share things. Yeah. That's just, that's how I process. But like, we all have pieces of trauma. Now, whether it was like, big pieces of trauma or little pieces of trauma, myself, I've been through a lot of trauma. My mom died when I was really young. And that is hard. That causes deep rooted abandonment issues. Like, I'm pretty self-aware of the things that I carry. And that's at a place where I want to, like, fine tune those things and I want to I want to work on those things like right yeah be

the best version of myself yeah I keep saying this authentically for who I am yes and I truly understand that I have my things too like I can be really loud and I can fly away from the conflict I do not I I'm pretty smart and I can handle myself and yeah I believe in the things and I'm passionate about the things that I believe in. And, you know, I have a daughter now. You know this, Trista. Like, I want to be a strong, young woman who is not afraid to stand up for what she believes in and knows her self worth and is proud of herself.

Yeah. That is important to me. So for sure. Self-awareness journey. Here I am. I love it. I, honestly, I think that we all should be on a self-awareness journey all the time. Yeah, I'm an open book, too.

I have shared many conversations with you about how I'm having a bad time or a bad day or whatever's going on. And it always is shocking to me when other people don't. Like, you know what I mean? And maybe not shocking. You don't have to do this alone, Trista. Yeah, right. If you're having a bad day, it's okay if you feel fat.

It's okay if you feel unworthy. It's okay if you have those things. But the whole point is that we are not meant to do this alone. Right. I mean across the board, life in general, we are not meant to do this alone. We are meant to have community and you should be able to lean on those people, your friends, your family, your husband, whoever that is, you should be able to lean on those people and be your true authentic self.

And that means if you're having a bad day or you're having terrible thoughts about your own self, your body, your emotions are turning 51 or whatever that is. Like you should be allowed to voice that and you should feel and you should feel supported. Right. no agreed and then back to the influencer stuff like i feel the same way i i will scroll on instagram but i don't post as much just because i feel like it is so consuming in terms of time and energy and a lot of negativity and so i don't spend as much time as i used to i mean i like you if there's if there's authenticity when it comes to posting um you know doing campaigns with companies

and helping them get the word out about their companies, I'm all for it. But it can't just be a paycheck for me. Like, I remember Blake's Lee, maybe she didn't say it, but it was kind of insinuated that she'd want to be an influencer. And I was like, no, no, no, no, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, and. When I caught Addison recording videos of herself on the iPad going, hey, guys, that's a little, I was like, nope, nope, nope, eh, no, no, no. will not be a goal like if you i feel like both of us landed in it you know it wasn't around when we were on the bachelorette and so it it wasn't like we're um like katelyn or hannah where it's like two million people from that yes yes wasn't i think twitter launched the day that my season of the

Bachelorette was done airing. Really? Really. I mean, like, I didn't have to leave that era. And I always think, I'm sure you can sympathize with this with some of the newer women who go on the show. Yeah. I didn't, I wasn't followed by paparazzi. I didn't feel this innate pressure to physically be a certain size or a certain shape or a certain hair color. Like, I didn't feel that because there weren't paparazzi hiding in noon in Georgia. Like, I went back to my home. My decisions were never to go on a show and become. a famous person. That was not stupid as it sounds. And I say this over and over again. Every time I talk to somebody or in every interview, I went on the show for the right reasons.

I genuinely wanted to find love. Yeah, same. Stupid as it sounds. It's not stupid. Well, some people look at that like it's stupid because girls are making lots of money now. They get lots of things. And I didn't ask for any of those things. Because it wasn't a thing back then. It wasn't a thing. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

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tell you how to manage your money again. Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem a year from now. When you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union. shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees

and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt when it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it may get even worse. For more judgment-free money advice, listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I will say, though, we did have paparazzi following us, and I had people knocking on our door. People found our house, and I remember a mother and a daughter. They showed up at my

door with a magazine, like wanted to get, yeah, it was like, wait, how did you, I know. I was like, how did you find my address? immediately called the phone company, take my number off. Like, not that we had already done that. No, but it's just, it's just, and especially now with children, too, it is a source of protection. Yes. I try to be, live a very normal life.

And, you know, if you feel the same, Trista, it's always, it's always very flattering when someone still recognizes you from the show. It is a very flattering. I am always very happy when people see me in the grocery store. Yes. No makeup, looking like a. hot mess and are not afraid to come up and say hello. I always appreciate that. Yes, agree.

Say, oh my gosh, I enjoyed watching your season. I like following you on social media. It's so nice to meet you. Like, I will absolutely hug you say it's nice to meet you too. Totally. It kind of throws me through a loop when I'm seeing like at school or something at school pickup and to my kids. Yeah. No idea. Addison's just now at the age where she's like, somebody told me you were on TV, you know, like, but they don't know. They don't know. You haven't told them. Well, they know that, I mean, Austin could care less. Like, he's literally playing Zildon. Same as Max. Yeah. He like does not care. They recognize certain things, like when we've had film crews at the house to film. Yeah. It's not to watch it. The only thing that happened was when

Netflix released, it was the Bachelor and The Bachelor of, but they released a couple of seasons. And someone told me about it. And it was like, there was like a screen cap above the season of me kissing Jason Mezzanick and Addison was like, who's that man? And why are you kissing him and not my daddy? And I was like, this is right. How do I explain that? Oh my gosh, right? You know, so I just, I do, if she asked, I don't, like, she got in the car a couple weeks ago from school and she goes, Mommy, why didn't you tell me you were famous? And I was like, we started laughing. First off, Tristan, because you know me and you know me well. I'm just like, first off, I am not famous. I'm not famous. And second off,

off, why are you asking that? She goes, oh, well, someone told me at school. And I was like, well, who told me school? That's strange. And she was like, I don't know, somebody told me at school that their mommy saw her at school, and their mommy told me that she was on TV and you guys are famous. And I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Like, I, so there's a couple of things. I immediately feel a little guarded. Yeah. Then, you know, because there is a piece of, and I'm sure you can relate to this, there's a piece of going on the show where people think they know who you are. Oh, yes. Really know who you are. Do you know what I mean?

Yes, 100% of me. The television show that millions of people watched, but it doesn't mean that they truly know me. So I've actually found, like, in my adult life that I tend to be pretty guarded. If someone comes out of the gate and says, oh, my gosh, I saw you on The Bachelor and I totally watched your season. I immediately become guarded. Yeah. I feel like, A, I can't be vulnerable. yeah right i can't be who i truly am because these people have this preconceived notion of who they

think i am yeah right and there's social media so if they take a picture or if they take a video and you have resting bitch face and you're not smiling ear to ear i'm a raging bitch and exactly do each their own again i'm just trying to make me happy like i'm just trying to please me so so there's that and then this is a quick funny story well i started on this tangent because because you had texted me and asked if I was watching Bachelor in Paradise. And like, this is why I'm not because I have no free time. I would like to watch Bachelor in Paradise. I do really enjoy it.

Yeah. I have not been able to watch this season at all because I just don't have a lot of free time. And I go to bed at like a clock when I put my kids to bed. So there's that. But I... Good for you. I like a solid 12 hours of night. Yes.

Amazing. There was a situation that happened a couple weeks ago where we have a cleaning lady. She comes every two weeks. And it's been one thing that Stephen and I don't ever find. about is keeping the house clean. So I will and pay for it. Yeah. Like I work full time too. I don't have time. Right. To clean the house. It is money well spent to me. Yeah. She's been with us and cleaning our home for several years, like five years or something like that. Yeah. And I didn't know that you could change your Venmo to be private so that people can't see, you know, your pay history

or whatever. Oh, yes, right. So I didn't know that. It's changed now. But so I sent her Benmo to pay her one time for cleaning my home and then like two weeks later she was over and she was they were kind of laughing her and another girl and I was like what are you laughing at and they were like well we found out you were on TV and I was like that's so weird how and she goes well another woman's house that I clean oh saw your Venmo house and I was like oh god how would she know that she was like I don't know but she asked me if I cleaned your house and then she was asking me things like do you have a nice house are you a nice oh my gosh it was like yikes wrong wrong wrong wrong I was like, well, hopefully you next to her.

She was like, no, I just told her that you guys are great. And your kids are great. Like, you're a really nice people. But like this woman said, well, you give her my number so that we can hang out and help. Yikes. Like, really? Oh, my. That is bold.

Like, kind of over the, not even kind of, over the line, bold. Yeah. I literally was like, no, please don't give out my phone number. Oh, yeah. Or you will be fired. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, she was really nice about it. Good.

Yeah. No, this woman is really nice, too. you know blah blah she just she's a fan of the show that you were on and i was like yeah i totally totally get that i understand that i get that yeah yeah there's just you know then i go into that place where i'm immediately guarded you know yes yes okay well now i can't be me i can't be who i truly am great so were you thinking of um hiring someone else is it that like because i can imagine that okay good now i love her and she does such a great job and i trust her yeah yeah totally you've used her for five years i just was like please don't tell people

where I live. So 100%. Like on Venmo, that's how she found out that that she cleaned our home. Crazy. It was public on Venmo that I had paid. Yes. Yes. She went to Venmo her and then she saw on the pay history that like I have recently beenmoed her. And so she's, oh my gosh, you know her? Okay. I am doing that like immediately after I know off the phone. I'm making it private. And was like, oh my God, let's change your Venmo to private right now. So people can't see those things. Yeah. Yeah. There's no reason that anyone needs to know that I'm paying my daughter's friend's mom for snacks like um okay um okay i know you're not doing the um the podcast anymore but or you're kind of on a little break but i'd love to hear i know you guys basically just shared

everything like there was lots of laughter is there one story that stands out that you can share with us from from the podcast it's called flashbacks people by the way if you want to go back and listen a lot of fun i would i will tell you that like I like that it is a really lighthearted show. We will address. I am definitely more of a serious person than Jessica. Like she's just a lot of fun. Like she likes to hear like old fun stories.

She wants to hear your drunken stories. She wants to hear when you fell down at a club. Like she wants to hear those things. Yes. I do like to have fun and I am a funny person. But I just am more, I just like genuinely want to be who I am. So if I go in and I'm in a bad mood or whatever, then I feel like that's okay to talk about.

And I also think that people appreciate about me that I'm not fake in any way, shape, or form. Totally. I'm trying to think because we've had a lot of really fun guests on and we've heard a lot of really fun stories that there was early on. There was this woman named Jesse, I think her name was. And Jessica knew her from the Playboy Mansion. They had, I think, posed years ago or something like that. That's how I knew each other.

But we got to laughing because she told us the story about how. for some reason, everybody always had a Leonardo DiCaprio story. So, like, this girl in particular, she waits until the very end of the podcast. And the podcast was a bit serious at the time. And we talked about her health. She had just some health stuff going on. And at the very end, we're like, okay, well, tell us, like, your favorite flashback. We do that?

Like, towards the end. Like, do you have a favorite Hollywood flashback of, like, your time in L.A.? And she was like, oh, yeah. I went to this club one time. And then I slept with Leonardo DiCaprio. And I'm pretty sure he might be my son's father. And we were like, what? I'm sorry, you just went this full hour on this podcast without telling us that you slept with Leonardo DiCaprio, which was...

And you think he's your baby daddy. In his crime, you know what I mean? It was about 20 years ago. Oh. And you now have a son who looks oddly a lot like Leonardo DiCaprio. Did you ever follow up with her or did Jessica ever talk to her afterwards and see if she did a paternity test? No, no. I think she was like quasi-joking, but she's one of those people like you can't tell if she's joking or not.

You know what I mean? Yes, right. She was like, she's like six foot and she's like blonde and beautiful and does yoga. Yes. But I started following her on social media and she'll post pictures of her son. And I'm literally like, oh my God, he told me that he could be Leonardo DiCaprio's son. And he's about that age. We're like this could have happened around the same time.

So anyway, we got to laughing so hard because it seemed like every time we had a guest on, someone had a story of Leonardo DiCaprio. Like he had a story of Leo. And so like we just got to the point where we started laughing. We were like, Leo, we would just, like, die. I love it. Do you have a good flashback, Trista, from Hollywood? You must have some really...

I was literally just going to ask you the same question. I'm like, well, wait, okay, tell me this woman was talking about Leo. I want to know if you've ever run in... Like, you live in L.A., so I want to know if you ever run into any famous people or if you ever run into Bachelor people. I don't run into Bachelor people a lot. You don't? I don't live, like, in Hollywood.

I know. I know, but still, or even when you're traveling. Like, I know you were just in New York. Like, did you see anyone there? You know what I mean? Oh, my gosh, I did. You did. The first night there, my pilots and I were going to dinner.

We went to this really yummy Italian restaurant. Next time you're in the city, I'll have to let you know. Oh, tell me. I had lambolinase that I like to eat. And I was literally like a best thing I've ever had. It was the best thing I've ever had. Oh, yeah. I'm a polonaise and I was like, this is life changing.

This is life. Oh. We were walking to dinner. And it was really cold. And sure enough, and, you know, it was funny because people will say this to me, too. Like, oh, I didn't see you at first, but I could recognize your voice. I knew I knew your voice. Yes.

We were walking down, and we were in the financial district, and we were walking down to the restaurant. And then sure enough, I heard her say, thanks, guys. And I turned and looked. It was Ellen Pompeii. Pompeo from Graze Anatomy. Yes, love her. And she just announced that she was leaving Grace.

Right. So as soon as I saw her, I turned and looked, and I was like, and she was like, just getting out of her car and walking into a hotel. She was like, thanks, guys, like, totally normal. No one around. No one saw her. Yes, right. I love Chris. I didn't say anything. I didn't say anything. You didn't say hi? No, no. Yeah. But I, uh, I saw her. Sometimes when I fly, you know, it's because, well, A, we're not allowed to say anything. So I'm not. Right. Of course not. But I have flown some really big celebrities. And I don't get starstruck a lot. Yeah. I don't know just because the industry that we're in and, you know, she's on L.A. all the time.

you know what I mean yeah yeah so I'm I'm not one of those people that get starstruck but I saw Jay-Z one time uh-huh that would be big holy smokes it's Jay-Z right and then in my time as he's standing there I kept going New York I was like singing his song in my head and I couldn't I couldn't like I could not even like carry on a conversation I was like oh my gosh okay you just reminded me of a really fun flashback that I do have okay so I was dancing for the Miami Heat and um huge basketball fan huge Michael Jordan fan like huge Michael Jordan fan and uh I was sitting so at that point in time we sat on the court now they don't sit on the court anymore probably because we got stepped on so many times but uh yes exactly um with really

big feet so we were on the court you know what they say about men with big feet oh you know what they say. They have big shoes. They're so dirty. So hard. So sitting across from the opposing team, not the heat, but the opposing team. And they happened to be the, I think the Washington Wizards is who he was playing for at the time.

It was Michael Jordan. So Michael Jordan was sitting right across from me, like right across from me. And I realized that I was staring at him. Well, he turns. and we lock eyes, right? And you just reminded me that when you started singing New York with Jay-Z, like, around, this is similar to what I did. So we lock eyes and we are staring at each other.

And it probably wasn't for that long. But you know when you're in an eye lock, it seems like forever. Like it seems like we were staring at it. I couldn't look away. I was like, Michael Jordan is staring at me. Like, I literally can't look away. And after we were staring at each other, for, I would say a good, like, maybe like 10 seconds, which is a long time. That's a long time to be sitting at one another.

I, and maybe it was less because I felt like it was longer. But I said, I worded, or I mouthed the words, Michael Jordan. Like, what? While you were looking at him? Yes. It's like you singing New York, New York, like with Jay-Z, like, okay, yeah, that's my song. So, you know, like, I'm staring at Michael Jordan, and I don't say, call me or meet me after. He has them.

I love you. Or I say his freaking name. You literally just was staring, locked eyes, and you go, Michael Jordan. How stupid am I? It's so stupid. I mean, hey, hey, I was literally just going to say that. Oh, my gosh. You're so right. Like, had I met, like, if I said, meet me after, you know, maybe he would have met me after. And maybe we would have gotten into this love affair. Probably not. But, you know, it totally could have changed the trajectory of my life. But that's my fun flashback. Yeah. Can you imagine? Five, two. And however. It would be what's that movie with Danny Davido and the other guy's really tall?

Giants or something. Our brothers. What was it? Something like that. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It's so funny. I got to get on by Michael Keaton one time.

You did? Yeah. Pretty early on, like right after The Bachelorette, he was like, let me take you out. And I was like, I am engaged to like see the. You're like, hello? Yeah. And he literally was like, you could wear it or not, but let me take you out. Oh, M.G. Michael Keaton.

I'm so uncomfortable right now, but flatter. Thank you, sir. Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you so much. All right. Well, I love talking to you. We could just, we could talk all day. I miss you and happy birthday and give the kids a big hug for me. I am so thankful that you joined us. And Bob, oh, I do have to say, Bob was very sad. I know. Bob was harassing me and he's not even here today. I know. He's traveling. And he wrote, like he texted our group text with the producers and stuff,

that he was going to be in a car probably getting out at the time that we were doing it. And he just didn't want to interrupt the interview. So he sends his love and he wishes he was here. I wish he was here too. But we had lots of fun chatting. So we miss you, Bob. Next time, Mr. Guinea. That's right.

Well, happy birthday, sister. I hope you have a great time on your trip. Thank you. I wish you could come. One is wonderful. You're doing great. 50. 50, I mean.

I'm 41. Sorry. It's all good. Yes. Yes, it's all good. This is what happens. Myself. Yeah.

50 is great. Trista, you doing great. 41 is great. 41 is great. That's my mantra. 41 is great. No. You too.

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