The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OG: From Roses to Dancefloors with Charity Lawson (DWTS WEEK FOUR)

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

Our Bachelor Nation OG Bob Guiney is back to recap week 4 of Dancing with the Stars season 33, and he’s joined by former Bachelorette and DWTS contestant Charity Lawson! Charity opens up about the difficult transition from being The Bachelorette to becoming a competitive dancer… with only 2 weeks in between!  We might actually get more behind the scenes content of Joey on DWTS than we did on The Bachelor!  And Charity makes a shocking prediction about what next week might hold for Dwight and Phaedra.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is the Almost Famous Podcast with IHeartRadio. Welcome to Almost Famous, the OGs. I am your host, Bob Guinea. My normal co-host, Trista Sutter, nay, Wren, is unavailable today. She's out of the office. and I am so excited because I have former Dancing with the Star Superstar Charity Lawson joining me. Hi, Charity. Hello, I'm so excited to be here. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to see you again. It's been a little bit, right, since we were out in, where was it, NorCal, where we were at last time together?

Yeah, I was trying to go off, learning a little bit about that. It wasn't she great, but I got a few hits. I thought you guys were great. You guys put some of the best video footage together from that day, by the way. Like Daisy was crushing it. I was like, you know, if there's, if I'm not golfing, at least I can produce content or help with this. So yeah. There you go.

Well, you definitely did it. I'm so glad to have you on. You know, before we get started with the recap of last night's show, let's talk a little bit about your experience on the show. So, you know, you came right off of being the Bachelorette. And of course, you know, that was a wonderful success for you in many, many ways. And then, then you rolled right on to dancing with the stars. And you had a great run. I mean, was it really cool experience for you?

It was. It was both great, but also very hard. And I think we hear a lot of people talk about how hard it is, but it's one of those things that you can't really, like, understand unless you're actually, like, in it or going through it. And so, like, I definitely came off of, like, a high horse, like, when I ended my season as The Bachelorette. And I had, like, two weeks in between, like,

when I literally came out as a public couple with Dotten until I had to have my first, like, official, like, rehearsal, which was crazy because obviously, like, you're experiencing so many emotions from obviously reliving all that back. But then I'm like, oh, I'm like to hop into a whole new experience. And that was crazy, but I will say, like, I would have not gotten through that without Dot in. He was an amazing support. But the show itself, it's so fun in so many ways, but it's extremely hard. And it's very demanding. Um, show days are like, obviously the best part of it, like designing your costumes, like rehearsals are very intense and sometimes can be

brutal um but like you know when you're in the ballroom it's literally like there's no other experience i can't like describe how like good of a feeling it is it's so funny i love i love hearing that you know pardon me for not knowing this but did you have dance experience in the past before you went on the show yeah so i guess in dance world they don't like to consider cheerleading which is not it's clearly not the same thing i did competitive cheerleading growing up so that did like obviously place me a little bit if you want to say have a little upper hand but um no dance class. I never took like ballet, jazz, none of that. Like, I almost essentially had two left feet coming into my very first rehearsal because I was like, what is it? So much harder than like cheering.

But you know, by me, chimney, I mean, so my sister, my mom was like competitive cheerleading coach. My sister was competitive cheer. They were national champions, world champions back in the day. And I, so I know how difficult and demanding that can be. I think maybe from a choreography standpoint, like obviously you, you were able to probably learn choreography better than like me. Yeah. And if I go out there, I'd be like, you know, I want to. even know what to do. So I'm sure it had to be a cool experience for you to kind of get those muscles flexed again. For sure, for sure. A lot of muscle memory. Yeah. Well, I can only imagine. I mean, I think I'm one of the few leads who, you know, Trista and Andrew Firestone and I were all

in the same season, like literally like in the same year we all filmed our shows. And they made the very wise choice of putting Trista on dancing with the stars instead of Andrew or myself. But I think about a lot of times, I'm always like, God, I feel like, you know, I always say this to Trista, after every episode I watch, I'm like, I don't know. I just feel like I got it in me somehow. I don't know where. I was going to ask, like, did you like locally want to do it? Like, were you, where you want to do it? Yeah. Yeah. And in fact, you know, they did a few years later, they sort of soft approached me with my ex-wife, who was an actress on all my children. They approached us as kind of like being a couple on the show. And she was not into it at all. Yeah. She, she, she, she, she, she, He's like, nothing. Yeah, I was like, really? Because, I mean, I think I could kill this thing. I'm going to be really a great dancer. So in my mind, I'm still, I think maybe it's because I was never on the show.

I've not been proven wrong that I would have just been spectacular. Yeah. I don't know. I watch a show and I watch, I mean, I remember watching you on the show and you, you know, the lifts and everything else that everybody does are just mind-blowing to me, you know? It's so insane. And then also when you just think about like the schedule of the show, out, like how quick we have to learn things. So it's like a lot of those, yeah, like it was in me because I was like not, I guess,

fearful of doing them. But a lot of the lifts are also very different in dance role versus like cheering. And I feel like they're almost a little bit harder in dance world. So like to know I had like maybe three days to learn something. And Artem was like, we're just going to try it. I was like, okay. Well, you know, I think about it too, like one of the bigger differences. And I said this about Alana's routine last week when they had her on the table starting

and she jumped off the table and stuff. But you're doing all this in heels as a woman, too, which is like, that's got to be a world of difference than, you know, throwing on some Reeboks and jumping around, you know? It is really so hard. I always say it's like when I first, like, we start off with just obviously either socks or just like your bare feet or sneakers. But in the moment that you like have to break in your shoes, it's like learning how to walk. Like you, it's so hard.

It's so hard. I can't even imagine because those shoes do not look comfortable either. No, and you get like the worst like feet and toe blisters. It's awful. It's really, like, not fun. Yeah. Well, you know, you did a great job when you were on the show, and we've, of course, got, we'll just put it out there right now.

We're going to have a little bit of a spoiler alert. So someone has not watched last night's episode of Dancing with the Stars, which I believe is episode of five. We are going to talk about who was eliminated last night. We are going to discuss that. But let's get right into it. So I think one of the coolest things that kicked off the show for me last night was a guy that I've become friends with over the years was Mark Ballas came back to the show.

as a guest judge and i and i we've we've talked at length uh trista and i have about how much we love the huff family on this show like i just think that they are just doing such a great job you know derrick of course you know from the from the judging perspective and of course his beautiful sister uh doing the the hosting which i think she's spectacular at it and i love seeing her on the show um but uh last night was dedication night yeah did you guys do that during your season we had um a similar like i guess approach it was more most memorable years year. So like obviously what year like stood out. And so if you wanted to dedicate a dance, you could have done it then to someone. But I did, I ended up dedicating one of my dances to

Dot and which was like on Whitney Houston night. So that was like later that road. But it was kind of different. We had most memorable year instead. Yeah. Yeah. Well, for the record, I love you too as a couple by the way. And when we got to hang on. I thought it was awesome. But you know, it would have to be so difficult. I would imagine. And we talked about this a little bit on our podcast too, you know, and you were on the side of it that I think would be an equally challenging part of it, right? Like, your new betrothed, you know, this person that loves you is sitting there watching you do a lot of, you know, very close and suggestive style moves with another man. I mean, that had to be tough on Doughton, but I know he's a confident dude anyway,

but it's like, you got to be tough, right? I mean, I would have a hard time. It's way more harder for me than it was him, which I think he's like just so secure, which I love. But, But for me, I like definitely, it like pushed me out of a little bit out of my comfort zone because I was like, oh my goodness, like this isn't my person. But I'm like having to like roll my hips on him. I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, oh, I'm like, what are we doing? Why are you doing this? Yeah, definitely a little bit of like a learning curve.

But then you get to a point obviously like because you spend so much time with them that at some point it just is natural or it has to come natural. But yeah, definitely hard for sure. Yeah. No, I can definitely see that. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

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And so I thought that was pretty awesome. And what were some dances that stuck out for you last night? But we can go through and we'll talk about everybody a little bit. But what were some ones that you loved? Um, okay, so I'd have to say, um, Danny's contemporary. I was like genuinely shocked. Like he was probably one of the one dances apart from Derek and Haley's and we'll get to that one. But that like, like, who made me tear up? And I was like, oh, I wasn't, I think I had lower expectations maybe just because like I understand how difficult it is to emote. He's an athlete.

So it's like one of those things that's just a little bit maybe more challenging, but he absolutely crushed with it. I mean, Whitney's, like, choreography is always insane when it comes. She's so awesome. Yeah. So good. So I think this was definitely one of the ones that really, like, I was like kind of moved to tears a little bit. Chandler's, I am just like probably her biggest fan. I love her.

Oh, us too. Yeah, we love her. So good. Like, so talented. I know, like, she obviously has a little bit of a dance background, but obviously, nonetheless, like learning ballroom is completely different, but her dance, obviously, I love the song. she chose but her dedicating it to her mom like it was just so beautiful beautiful yeah obviously

joey we know joe is like literally crushing it which is crazy oh my god i mean i never you know i've i've actually still not met him but i never looked at this dude on the show and thought yeah i bet he's a really good dancer like that one had never crossed my mind no like and i think like obviously i dotten and him are really good friends i'm friends with him and kelsey but like giving them like pointers or giving joey pointers going into this he seemed like so nervous or a little bit hesitant, but I'm like, you have this in you all along. Like, you were not nervous. Like, he is actually crushing it, which is so sure. He's a beast on the show. Like, we've said it a few times. Like, you just talked about Chandler too. Like,

there are a few people on the show where you're like, sometimes you forget who the pro is. Right. And Joey is, her choreography and everything is I know a big part of this, but she's making him look so good. But he's also really stepping up and delivering, you know. Yeah. And then you bring up a really good point. I love it when like the pros. can recognize what their like celebs talent or like strong suits are because obviously that helps them stand out in the competition and choreography is a big part of it and jenna's obviously doing so amazing with joey so yeah yeah it's so good um i love that you guys are close with with uh with kelsey and joey too because you know obviously they're i love i love their story too and i love

i love that he dedicated his song to her and you know it was really touching and i thought that he you know, the longer he stays in this show. And I feel the same way about Jen, too. You know, the longer they stay in the show, the more we feel like we're actually getting to know them, you know, because it's like, you know, the little behind the scenes packages kind of show you, you know, who the personality is. Yeah.

And that's stuff you don't really get to see even on The Bachelor or The Bachelorette, you know, so I've enjoyed that part of it too because I, you know, was always kind of like, well, this guy seems pretty cool in the show, you know, he's got some people that, you know, are really good friends with them that I like, you know. So he must be a good dude. And to see all that coming through is great. No, he's doing so good.

And obviously, I can't forget Jen. I think she's doing so good. I feel like maybe this week was a little bit more emotional for her. Because I could kind of tell maybe her disposition was a little bit, like, different. Like last week, honestly, like, her pasta doughble was so good. I was like, this is crazy. The knee walks was amazing. But this week, I definitely, like, she still did so good.

But I could tell, like, maybe this just, like, probably hit her more. she was probably feeling a lot of emotions with like obviously recapping like her life and like how much like with meant to her but nonetheless like she's doing good and i just love her and sasha's like partnership i really like such a good guy like he's just yeah big brother figure yeah definitely big brother like i don't see the show man's that i guess they're trying to push but like i definitely like just him he him as a person is just a good person um so yeah i think those are my tops i feel like i might be forgetting No, no. It was great. I mean, I thought, I mean, you and I agree on all those, by the way. Those were all my favorites as well. I thought Stephen did a great job. You know, he's, I like him and Riley. I like their story. And I like, I like the whole thing with them. You know, you mentioned Danny, which I loved and his dedication to his coach. And I'm just going to go through my notes. Dwight Howard. So Dwight Howard and Powered and Daniela. So those are two that, you know, they've been, they've been kind of on a roller coaster lately. They are really good, really bad.

This one was sort of like right in the middle. Yeah, I know. And he's funny, man. What a great personality he has, you know? Yeah. And I thought that was interesting. I love their height difference and how they play it up. I don't know how she does it.

I literally don't know. That's why I say like Danny's probably one of the most talented female pros because she gets like these unrealistic barriers and she overcomes every single time. It's crazy. Every time. But they had one of the lowest scores, you know, from last night, which I thought was kind of, I get it. I mean, because I feel like that height difference is pretty substantial, you know,

and so that kind of creates a little bit of an issue. But another couple, Brooks and Gleb, like those two, clearly dating. I'm just going to say it. It's clear. It's clear as that. Even the sisters are like, you know, it's almost like they're hanging out with their brother-in-law when they're on a dance book. But they are a beautiful couple. I mean, they really are.

And then, you know, last but not least, let's talk about Alana. Alana and Alan, you know, she didn't, she didn't have, like, her worst night. She had a really good night. And I think, you know, after coming off of the emotion of the week previous, you know, I kind of thought, quite honestly, I thought this week, originally I had pegged her to go home the following week. And, and but then after she was so emotional and stuff, and I thought, you know, the people at home would get to see her and get to see that, I thought that that might keep her around

a little bit longer. but, you know, unfortunately, you know, that wasn't the case, right? Were you surprised by the elimination? Well, it was it was Brooks and Gleb that got eliminated. So I, yes and no, and I think because a lot of people were probably like, it was just so in our face. And I think out of everybody that. Too much, you think?

Yeah. Like I think like people, like you said, they really want to connect with like emotion. And that's something that I learned even on my season, like, They don't care how well of a dancer you are. They want to see, like, you being vulnerable. They want to see you improve. And she's a beautiful dancer. Don't get me wrong, but I think initially it started off that way.

And then it, like, kind of just shift pages completely to just, like, the showmance. And I was like, I don't know anything about her besides just her and glove. So, yeah, I kind of wanted to see maybe, like, more improvement and see her, like, stay around longer. But I guess I'm, like, kind of torn because it's at that point in the competition where there's the less and less couples, like, You're always probably going to be genuinely shocked with who goes home. I agree. I mean, I thought, I really did think it would come down between Alana and Dwight Howard as the going home couple. That's how I had it playing out in my head.

So the Brooks wasn't surprised me. But at the same time it wasn't because like you said, I mean, you know, what I was saying about the week and before when she showed so much emotion. I think that's really what kept Alana there. And then, but I did. I thought, you know, other than the fact that they're incredibly cute together and everything. I kind of thought, you know, Dwight Howard was probably, you know, at that point where it was like, you know, so now I feel like right now, if I had to pick, and I, and I, I love doing this because I've been right most times. I was not right this time. But now I feel like it's coming down to the better dancers. Yeah.

Legit better dancers are going to stick around longer as opposed to, like you said, like the, like, you know, the company thing was probably just a little played out, you know? So we've got, oh, one person we didn't talk about too was Fadra, right? about favorite um i love her too you talk about personality really coming through i think um a lot of times i think the real housewives unfortunately for them when they are on this show they're miss their uh i don't even know how to say it but i think the perception of them is wrong yeah and um and she's come out is so much fun and like you know i just i love it like i didn't even know who she was and i'm like oh my god i love her you know yeah My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former. professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.

So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you.

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Listen to no such thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, you're looking at the score. So last, everyone was, you know, mid-30s. A lot of, like Jen and Alana, we're both 32s. You know, Joey and Jen at 36. Brooks was at a 32, you know, set home. Fadra and Val, 32. Dwight Howard and Daniela had the lowest score at 29.

And then the rest were, you know, 36, 33. I mean, everybody else was kind of right up in that same ballpark. So if you go by scores alone, looking at next week's competition, right? You've got a 20, what do we have, a 29 with Dwight, and we have a 32 with Fadra. and a 32, I think, with Alana. Yeah, so those are our three, oh, and Jen, I'm sorry. And so those are our four that had technically, I guess, a lowest score. So what's your prediction?

Like, who do you think? Okay, let's get two predictions from you first. First, let's see. If you had to give me two couples that it comes down to to be possibly sent home next week, you don't have to pick one if you don't want to. Okay. And then I want your pick for the two couples that you think will be the final two. Okay.

I can easily just because, oh, my God, yeah. The couples that I might feel like are going to be in the bottom to next week, which obviously it can 100% change based off the theme in the style of dance. But looking at just obviously last night, I would have to say Dwight and then, unfortunately, maybe Fadra, like, I hate that because I'm like, I want her to like stay in. I need to. I need to. Yeah. You're going to need like a breakout dance.

Like I haven't seen that from them too yet. Dwight's like first like performance was insane. Night out. Yeah, I was like, I think we want to go back to that. And then, like, with Phaja, I feel like, obviously, like, what you said is, like, she's so fun and she's so captivating. We know her, excuse me, on so many reality TV shows, and she has such a big personality. So I'm like, I want her to have a style of dance to where we can see that and where she has fun. Because I think right now it's like, even for me, this is something I struggle with.

She, like, kind of plays it a little safe. And it's like, that's fun because it's like, this is something new to everyone. It's so hard. But, like, it's at that point where it's like, you got to be. you got to do something yeah yeah exactly you got to pull out the stops at this point yeah i think i think you're right i think it probably would be between dwight fadra and alana and um but i think that because alana was so vulnerable yeah i think america might be you know and and and maybe that's that maybe that's what happens this week like maybe all of a sudden we see a vulnerability to fadra that you know

because i think people really like her and and i know i do i'm i'm a fan and i didn't like i said i didn't even know really. I knew the name, but I didn't necessarily know who she was and what she had done. But if I saw another side to her, I might be like, oh my gosh, you know, like she really wants to be here. This means something to her, you know. And then Dwight, I mean, you know, his family package is so fantastic, how he, why he's on the show in the first place and everything else. And he's so damn likable. I mean, I love him. So it would suck at this point for me, for any of them to go home. But I can't see one of the other dancers going home now. Oh, no. And I need to do like my final two, which. is so hard, because I'm like, I could probably give you final four. Yeah, yeah. I want to make it a little harder at you. I'm going to do a girl and a boy. And so obviously it's Chandler and Joey. Like, that's just like too easy.

No, I agree. I mean, I don't know how Chandler's not in the finals. I don't know how Joey's not in the finals. I think that top third spot is still up for grabs. I hope it's Jen. Like how iconic would that be? You know. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. It would be amazing. But, you know, I mean, I don't know. I don't know how that works. Like at a certain point, I wonder sometimes if the Bachelor Nation fans can cancel each other out. You know what I mean? Like, if we only vote five for Joey and five for Jen or whatever,

and then, you know, somebody else is getting all 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it would be interesting to see how that plays out too. But, okay, I like your picks. I think, um, I think we're, I think we're spot on with each other right now. I just have Alana in there potentially for a, for a bottom, you know, next week.

She has, like, a really big fan base, which is why I'm like, That's what I feel like is, like, sustaining her. Like, she's obviously, like, so, like, brave and she's doing something out of her comfort zone, too, and, like, vulnerability. But also, like, she's, like, almost America's, like, sweetheart at this point, like, and it's behind her. So I think they do want that.

And they, like, want to keep her in the competition in hopes to, like, continue seeing that. So I really do think that she might be around longer than we, like, might all think. I hope so. I mean, I like it when it's someone that I like that my heart goes out to, you know? And so, and for me, I mean, now, I was going to ask you to this, too. I've asked Trista this before, too, because she was on the show, obviously. And can you imagine how hard of a job it is to be the judge? Because, like, you're sitting there, someone that you've committed your entire life to is dance, right?

And now, you have someone like me, let's say, all of a sudden coming in there and not, you know, adhering to any of the rules, even though I'm trying. And I'm just murdering it. And you have to be like, hey, your shoes look great. Like, they always find something nice to say, you know? And was that, I mean, did you, with your experiences and cheerleader and stuff like that, I'm sure it was, you know, you recognize good choreography, you recognize, I'm sure not so great choreography, but was it, was it a difference for you? Like, now when you look back and watch it, you're like, oh my God, those judges, you know, like, they got such a hard job.

Oh my God, yes. And like, and that's why I appreciate, like, I'm referencing back to last night. That's why I appreciate Mark so much. I think he, like, hands down, gave the best, like, feedback from anyone and like you know curianne bruno derrick they're all fantastic but like mark the way he was able to provide like constructive criticism but it what it didn't come across is like oh you're doing something wrong it's like hey right you know i see like the potential in you and that is so encouraging coming into like a space where you as a non dancer know nothing about and you're like trying your best and i know everyone who goes out there is doing their best but it sometimes He says it always made me look that way.

Like, the way he was able to just, like, still uplift people, but also give them things that they actually need to fix. I was like, why didn't you rock you on my season? I know. He's always been so good at that, too. Like, he's always been one of the favorite pros. Yeah. You got to be, like, gracious, but also, like, yeah, like, uplifting at the same time,

but say, hey, this is what I want to see from you, and I need to see more. I need to, like, you know, giving control. criticism in the best ways it's hard oh totally i think you're absolutely right yeah i thought he was a great addition to the night and i thought that the show was a great show i mean you know it's kind of interesting because it went it went to the streaming platform for a while there and it came back to the television platform and it's like i think it came back stronger you know um since it's been back on the tv side of things that maybe maybe i'm not saying that it was something that needed to go

away for a minute and then you know to come back so much stronger but it's interesting watching it now that it's back on the television format and I'm like really enjoying it you know like I'm sitting there at night it's like destination viewing for me right now yeah I know so I know that hour a night that was like I never thought I'd be like so dedicated but obviously being on this show I'm like I have no choice I got to see what's going on yeah yeah every single Tuesday well plus you got I mean you know a lot of the cast the pros and the judges have all become your friends so it's got to be really cool for you to see them and of course Joey is you know a good friend of yours and Donna too so that's got to be great to see him doing so well. Well, thank you so much, Charity. Thanks for joining us and

thanks for your predictions for next week. I'm excited. We'll have to have you back to find out if you're right. Yes, please do finale or something. Have you been to, have you been to taping this season yet? I have not. My goal is to go hopefully November because I know they, I think their season ends. There's is a lot shorter. There's ends before Thanksgiving. So I'm going to try to get there before then well we'll have to have you back on um the next day you know once you're gone and get your actual like court side uh opinion of how it went i love it well thank you so much for joining this charity i appreciate it thanks for everyone uh listening to almost famous the ogs with uh me bob guinea and today with charity lawson former dance with a star superstar and of course

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