The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OG: Not Here to Make Friends

Episode Date: May 26, 2022

Our OGs Bob Guiney and Trista Sutter look back at some of the unforgettable Bachelor villains that were there for the “wrong reasons”. We reconnect with Wes Hayden from Jillian’s season of The Bachelorette, and we find out how his life changed after seeing himself as “the villain” on TV. And, we talk to Gwen Gioia from The Bachelor Season 2 and Bachelor Pad to find out how the “Pad” is MUCH different than Paradise. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Almost Famous OG Podcast. The OGs are here in the house. How are you? I am awesome. How are you, T-Bone? I think I'm going to call you T-Bone today. All right, then. T-Bone.

So I have to tell you a story. I like a good thing myself. So I don't know if you remember the Seinfeld episode when George Costan just tries to give himself a nickname. And he just randomly pulls out T-Bone. So I was reminded of this this weekend. I was traveling this weekend. And I flew to D.C. And I went to a little town in West Virginia.

And I met this guy. His name was Ralph. And Ralph seemed like a very nice guy. And I was, my little team of people, we were jokingly calling him Rafe. Like it was like a French thing. We're like, oh, bonjour, Raif. But his name's Ralph. And he's like, is that my nickname?

You guys are going to call me Rafe? And I said, yeah, you know, we're thinking. We're trying to work out some good nicknames for you. I'm thinking Rafe. He goes, wow, I tried to give myself a nickname many years back. And he goes, when my father passed away, I thought, okay, now's my time to shake up my name. I don't want to be named Ralph anymore. I go, so what did you go for?

He said, I went, and this man is probably, I want to say mid-50s, you know, mid-50s, maybe early 60s. He goes, I changed it up to Skitch. and I go, you changed the name to Skitch. He goes, yeah, yeah, I sure did. I said, did you change it on your driver's license? He goes, no, but I did. You know, I was going to.

He goes, but I did put an eye. Yeah, he gave himself a personalized license plate, Skitch. No, he didn't. And, you know, so what he ended up doing? I don't know, but there's a really weird, a little ironic twist to this. So he's like, so I started calling him Skitch. I'm like, I love it, man, Skitch. I like you.

Skitch, you're a good guy. Skitch. And he's like, yeah, he's like, my family made so much fun of me. I couldn't take the mockery. So I just went back to being called Ralph. And I'm like, well, how did you get them to, you know, to know that, hey, moving forward, I'm Skitch. Yeah. He goes, you know, I brought it up at a family union. I said, hey, well, I got everybody here. I just want to let you all know. I'm done with Ralph. I'd like to now be moving forward called Skitch. I'm like, yeah, I go, you know what you should have done. I go, because this would have helped you. I'm like, if I, if you ever watched Seinfeld, he's like, no, I never watched. I go, man, you should have watched it. Because here's what would have helped you. You get

someone else to call you that. So like you get a, like you pay your cousin, 20 bucks to walk up and be like, hey, what's up, Skitch? Now everyone will start calling you Skit. I'm like, you try it. I go, I try, and I, this is a Kstanza reference, but I'm like, I tried nicknicking myself T-bone once and no one, you know, never caught on. And he's like, well, it doesn't make any sense. Your name's Bob. Why would you be T-bone? And I'm like, bro, you're Skitch. I mean, Are we really doing this right now? But instead I go, you know what, you're right. That's probably why I didn't catch on.

You could be skitch and I'll never, never be T-Bone, I guess. Well, I can call you T-Bone. We can be T-Bone together. T-bone all day. Yeah, T-bone all day. I am so happy to talk to you today because I have to tell you, I am stowed, I am dragging. I had Max, Max, my baby boy, graduated from eighth grade last night. Oh, my gosh.

He's going into high school, and we had this sweet little continuation ceremony, continuation for those out there who don't know. People were like, well, it's continuation. It's just graduation. Since it's not a high school graduation or college, they call it continuation. And we, like, kind of partied a little bit, not like late into the night, but I, you know, it's kind of an emotional day for this OG mom. Oh, I could see that.

I mean, I, you know me. I mean, I literally, you know, my kids are at this three and ten months and my son the other day is like, Mama. And I'm like, oh my God, that's amazing. You know, I cry at everything. So I can only imagine, eighth grade graduation, I'll be a sad sack of tears. There's no question. That's adorable, though. Oh, my baby.

Isn't it crazy? We have known each other for so long, long before you had children. Yeah. And I just think it's bananas that you have an eighth grader. I know. I think it's bananas too. I mean, you know, no, I'm... That's 14, right? Look at these wrinkles. Oh, whatever. You are able to.

This is the sign that you have a 15-year-old almost. 15. Yeah, 15. When does he start driver's ed and stuff like that? Does that happen pretty soon? Already did driver's ed. Oh, my gosh. I know. So I have to take it. I just schedule an appointment for him to get his permit on his birthday, which is July 26th, same day as Chris Harrison. Yay, Bachelor

Nation. Obviously, Chris Harrison will not be getting his first license. He's a little bit older than that, but Max will be getting his permit. And at this party we were at, it's a family who owns this, like, ranch, and they have a barn, and they've said, you should bring him by this summer and learn how to drive on a stick, because they have a Jeep. And we don't have a manual, car. And I'm like, that is such a life lesson. Like, I am totally going to take you up on that because I learned how to drive on a stick. Did you like, do people do that these days? Are there even sticks still out there besides jeeps, you know? Honestly, I would have to imagine there are, but I don't know. But I mean, like, I know my dad, my dad was really insistent upon my sister

and I both know how to drive stick shift. So, you know, we both learned on a stick. My first car was a stick. It was actually a two-tone brown hatchback Chevette diesel. Oh, OMG. Do people still say that? So before we started this podcast, we were talking to the producers and I said, I said, duh, because I clearly was not thinking yet. And Bob was like, I don't think the kids say duh anymore. I don't think they say that anymore. Do they still, do they say OMG still? I know. I feel driven to say OMG a lot. So I hope they do. But you know, Well, you know what? We're just going to keep doing it, and we don't care what the kids say.

I'm going to say, y'all until I die. Dah. I'm probably all out of school. So my, we had this really adorable babysitter. She's a, what is she? A junior in high school. And she, you know, had babysat for us for, man, I mean, I want to say almost a year. And one day she's like, my mom is a really big fan of your music.

I didn't even know who you were. She said you were the bachelor guy. And I said, oh, yeah, yeah. You know, it never, it never came up, obviously. It wasn't like I was interviewing her to be our babysitter. I was like, so what shows do you watch? You know, so I, and, you know, obviously she would have never watched my season anyway. I'm grilling them.

Any older episodes of the show? But anyway, she said, yes, my mom has your album. And I said, really? And she goes, yeah. And I said, which one? Because I put out like two before The Bachelor and then like one after. And she's like, I'm not sure. And I go, well, you know, I happen to have a garage full of them.

Here, take this one. Just saying. And I hand her, I hand her a CD. I go, give this to your mom. And she was like, what is that? She literally goes, this is awesome. And she was looking at it. And I could tell, I go, you don't know what that is, do you?

And she goes, I don't. And so I open it and I hold out the, I go, this is a compact disc. And she goes, hmm. No acknowledgement. I go, you slide it. into this little slot thingy in your car. And she goes, oh, I think I, I think I have one of those. And I said, yeah.

I go, you know what? I'm just going to, I'm going to keep this. Don't give this to you. I'm just going to set this over here. And we're going to pretend like this didn't happen. Okay? I'm just going to go back to my office and sit by myself for an hour. So embarrassing.

I'm going to call Trista, and I'm going to talk about how old I feel. Isn't that basically what I do every week? Yeah, pretty much. I feel ancient again. I know. But, you know, I mean, musicians understand this struggle. And thankfully, you know, we have a guest on the show today who is a musician and probably way more up to speed on this kind of stuff than I am because he's still out there gigging,

as far as I can tell, as far as I know. He was, he was, okay. So our theme today, if I can get into it for us, Trista, our theme today is, you know, we're always looking for a throwback angle, right? Well, we've got a lot to throwback too, obviously. this is Bachelor Pad season one throwback so Tenley was on last week with us we talked a little bit about that shall money was on last week we talked about her time on bachelor pad but this is bachelor pad season one which Tenley was on and this guy was on it and he was the first kind of a musician that showcased his

talent as a contestant on the show I mean showcased his talent on the show and he was the first guy really willing to own I think being a villain like a lot of guys would come on there and you know like I think before that it was like well I'm not here to make friends that was about as villainous as you got this dude was like straight up villain like not and he owned it and I was watching a little bit of bachelor pad season one which aired this is back in 2010 August to September that it aired and I was watching a little bit of episode one and I mean he comes in guns blazing I'm here guys the villain's back you know I'm ready And I actually, I find that to be really interesting, because I don't think I could ever do it, first of all.

I don't think I could ever do it either. But I do, I have some respect for that, you know. I need too. I have respect for you owning, owning that character, I guess. And I feel like we met maybe at one of these bachelor reunions possibly. You know, me and my memory. and I've, you know, been called out by Lobozo. Lezobo.

So, Lebozo, whoops, said it wrong. I think you were right the first time. Just kidding, Zobo, if you're listening to Lozobo. Prince Lizobo. Well, let's bring him in. This is not Prince Lizobo. This is Wes Hayden. And Wes lives in Austin.

He's a jamming musician. He brought his guitar. I remember in the intro, Chris is like, where's your guitar? Wes. He's like, I didn't write this time. He's like, you sure? He's like, well, maybe I got it somewhere. I think I have it.

I might have it in my villain locker. You know, they came back. I mean, Wes was a throwback guy for a while because I remember when years later, one of the shows when it was JJ, JJ was on the show, and JJ's like, you know, a villain's got a vil. And I thought that was a great line. JJ's on a show. Who's JJ? Well, JJ came many years later.

I think it was Bachelor in Paradise where he said that it was a Bachelor Pad. But here's Wes. Here we go. There he is. Wes, how are you, man? Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, man. How are you?

Oh, we're doing well, buddy. We're doing well. We were just talking about you as we were introing you. And I said one of the things I liked about Wes, and it literally brought me, I don't even know how to say it, but I'm such a people pleaser. I have a rough time. Anybody, you know, you just owned it, man.

You walked in, you're like, I'm a villain. A villain's got a vill. I'm here to do some villing work. Well, I used to just a person. drink a lot. That explains it. That explains it. I wouldn't know if I was technically a villain.

I was just really loose and loud and crazy at the time. Do you drink anymore? It's rare. It's rare. I haven't had a drink and it's been a long time. But every now and again I will, you know? Yeah. Is that, do you think that that was affected by the show?

Well, you know, obviously I'm a Texas guy. I'm sure you can tell about the accent but we're pretty I mean we're pretty authentic down here and yeah but when I was on the show of course I was drinking a lot and so was everybody else

everybody else was too yep I honestly trusted a lot of you know what was what they were wanting me to do and say and you know what I'm saying so I kind of just went into it to be honest with you I remember telling my mom before the show aired

I mean it's going to sound it's going to sound crazy but I said, man, America's going to love me after this show. I did so well. And then I saw it and I was like, oh, God. Well, I don't think America didn't love you. I mean, I think it was just, like I said to Trista, what I thought was kind of great about it was you went on to it, not, you know, it wasn't, you weren't being deceptive.

You weren't being like, you were just like, hey, man, this isn't, this isn't why I'm here. This is why I'm here. And in particular with Bachelor Pat, it's like, I'm here to win some money. and you know i think everybody else maybe you know maybe came in if they were there just to win the money they they weren't acting like it right they were trying to act like they were there for other things and you're like now now i'm here for the cash cash money yeah yeah i was there for the cash but i was also also there to hook up of need be so so you know i had a great time

bachelor pad was a lot more fun than the bachelorette yeah it was a little looser a little looser and a little more relaxed and it was my second go-around too so i kind of knew yeah the ropes right right right i think that's one of the things that's good you know yeah agreed i think the the casual i mean obviously i've never done bachelor pad or bachelor in paradise but i think that that's why everyone likes those shows is because it's more carefree like you you're not as caught up in in worrying about Love, like love is so heavy. And if you're there for money or, you know, like, obviously BachelorPad, I think that it was a lot more fun to watch because it was more kind of casual.

I'd love to ask you, obviously, we lost Gia. I don't know how many years ago that was. A very, very, very sad loss for Bachelor Nation. And I know that you and her were connected throughout the first season of Bachelor Pad. um how how are things like do you think about her you know how did things end with her and um 2013 i guess she passed so that's been nine years ago um we i watched so bob and i in prep watched the first episode of bachelor pad one and so we didn't get into the rest of it but can you remind me kind of what um transpired between you two and how things ended after the show and if you

stayed in touch. Sure. Yeah, we, we, of course, we met on the bachelor's pad. We obviously knew of each other before that. So going in, I'd kind of heard a little rumor that she wanted to meet me, right? And then we ended up doing the bachelor pad together. So, you know, the first time I saw her, I just thought she was, I mean, she's just a sweetheart. I mean, she's warm, she's, she's, she's quiet, you know, she's, he's kind of meek and humble and, but also funny and and be fired. So when we met on the show, it was just kind of an instant. I mean, I knew when I was there, I was like, okay, well, I need to see what can happen with her and I, you know. And I think we both kind of have the same thing. We had a lot in common. We were both kind of on this, the show wouldn't show

it, but kind of on this little spiritual path that we'd been on for a long time. And so we dated for several, probably six or eight months, I would think, after the show. After the show. Oh, wow. I didn't. Yeah. I mean, we talked for a long time and she was up in New York and I was down here in Texas, but we would always try to do events together where we could see each other and

hang out because obviously we both had her own lives and jobs and things going on. But, you know, Gia had a, she had a lot of, she was a sweetheart, but she, I think she had some things that she dealt with, you know, which came out later on, like maybe some depression or something like that. But it wasn't anything I thought was a huge red flag. So when I found out what happened, I was completely just floored and pretty much in shock. She was just sweet girl and so positive. But we inevitably kind of stopped talking just because it was such a, long distance thing right that's hard yeah those are tough we were still friends i mean we communicated we we were texts back and forth here and there and and uh keep up with each other and uh it was just

it was really unfortunate yeah i agree i'm sorry to bring us down but i just wanted to i still think about her often i'll see pictures of her on my feed come in and out and i've still got some saved in my phone and and uh you know it it seems like just yesterday isn't that funny how time is it doesn't seem it is like i could call her right now and she'd answer right i know yeah i just think about that i loved seeing her on on my phone as i was watching just her smile just right in the room it seemed like so i i couldn't not bring her up yeah i never i never got to meet her actually but she seemed really really wonderful yeah Hi, my name is Enya Eumanzor.

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Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Are you in Austin, Wes? Are you still, are you in Austin, Texas? Or are you just outside of there? I have a house in Austin. But the majority of the work that I do is around on the outskirts of Houston, an area called Lake Conroe. So during the weeks, Monday through Friday, I'm normally down here. And on the weekends, I'm back in Austin. And are you still playing? Yeah. I am. I am. As a matter of fact, I'm at a studio right now. It's called Dance Across Texas. It's a music channel.

And I'm doing a interview today. And I was like, well, hell, I just knocked these out the same time. That's right. That's right. Been done. And so we got a brand new single called Back in Texas. It's on all the platforms. We just released it.

It's on the charts here. It's doing well. It's different now, though. You know, I'm 45 years old, and I'm not. trying to be famous. I'm not trying to be known. If anything, I'm trying to be more obscure and out of the spotlight. Really? Yeah. So the music now is just strictly for fun because I enjoy doing it. And the guys enjoy doing it. So it's not like we're hard pushing it or anything. I mean, even though we are on the radio and trucking around, it's just more, you know, I do it because I

enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah. As you should. The joy of it's what matters, man, no doubt. Yeah. And I think as If we get older, that's what happens as you just realize that life is too short and we need to appreciate what we appreciate out of life and take advantage of the opportunities. Yeah, that's really cool. That's right. So, Wes, when we're looking back at, you know, first season of Bachelorette and your season of The Bachelorette, what is the memory that sticks out to you as, or it doesn't even have to be from your time on the show, but just from your time involved with the show. What was one of your favorite things that happened to you during that time? What was one of your favorite memories from that whole thing?

Well, from what I can remember, it was all a lot of fun. He sounds like me. Yeah, right. I'll tell you what, a lot of people ask me all the time, well, you know, do you have enemies from that show and this and that? I was like, man, not at all. I mean, I made some great guys. I was just on the phone with Tanner Polk a couple days. Oh, my gosh.

He was the foot guy, right? Yeah, right. You know, and one of the guys that said I had a girlfriend back home. But me and him were tight on the show. we were tied after the show. So, you know, I met a lot of, more so than the memories of it, it's the relationships, because I met so many great people. And how many people get to do a show like that, right?

Right. Yeah. But, you know, we, most of the memories I have I probably couldn't talk about. I mean, I get that, I'd get that villain role again, but, you know, obviously, it was the relationships that I met. And I mean, I still keep in touch with Jillian from time to time. And we were in touch for a long time afterwards. I know she's busy now and has her thing going.

But, you know, I do remember this. I will give you this one thing. And it was, we were in Spain. And I had just gotten eliminated. And I was, of course, we're driving around doing the limo sink, right? And this limo scene drive around, let me tell you what, it was probably hours, right? And they had that, they had, oh, I kid you not. They had that limousine full of booze, right?

And if you see me getting in it, I've got a jacket. I'll like, you can get on YouTube and see my exit and speech on it. I get in, I don't have any sweat on me, right? And I've got like this leather suede jacket on, it's pearl snap. By the end of the limo ride, my jacket's off, my shirt's damn near on button. I'm pouring sweat. And I'm just drunker and Tudor Brown. And because they had to turn off the AC because the AC was messing with the microphones, I guess.

Of course. Yeah, always. So, you know, I remember Pete was the guy in the limo with me. The producer. Yeah, I love dearly. Scott Letter. Yeah, he's great. And I had to pee real bad.

And so I made the little. Yeah, I made the limo pull. over and I just peed right there on the side of the road and then got pulled up in handcuffs took me in the back almost took me to jail no my gosh I was like man I'm going to jail in Spain how cool is this right I was like how's this for the old bad boy image there you go man that's perfect but Pete man he he he swindled me out of the deal and You know, I'm not going to lie. I mean, my heart was pounding 90 to nothing.

I was like, sure we just can't be like going to jail in Mexico. You know, I'm sure at least I'll get a phone call. Something happened. Oh, my God, that is awesome. That's the kind of stuff you don't see on the show. I love that. I love that. No, thank you for sharing that.

That's hysterical. Well, man, it was great having you on, West. Thanks for joining us and continued success with the music and with the building and with everything you got going on. And you definitely, I think you've shared. shaking that bad boy role, you know, you got, you got the, it's a villain with the heart of gold now. Well, I think life humbled you eventually, you know, because it was pretty tough afterwards. You know, I had a, I had the people that love me and hated me. And it was almost

kind of an identity thing afterwards. They did ask me to do bachelor pad to, you know, Elon had phoned me and sent me all the packet. And I was like, you know, I just don't know at this point if I need to do a second. You know, right, right. You know, I kind of had to work through some stuff and but but honestly i got to give credit to the show it was without that i promise you i wouldn't be where i am now i mean i just i learned so much and and and i saw who was the guy on the tv yeah and years later i was like now i don't want to be that guy you know yeah and so so i just cleaned up and and but i'm telling you if it wasn't for that show i'd probably there's no telling where i'd be you know because i was i was i like to party and drink and

out and it was kind of a saving grace. It really was as weird as it sounds. It doesn't sound weird at all. No, I get it. I totally get it. Yeah, it'll put everything in perspective, you know. Yeah. I don't want to be famous. It has a tendency to do that. I was already famous. I don't need to be famous, right? I don't need any of that, you know. Yeah. It was so wonderful because it was a dream come true and, you know, it furthered me along in life and gave me some humility, which honestly I've never really had. Yeah. I love hearing that. You know what? I went and People ask me next time if I would let my kids do the show because, you know, I'm sure you get asked this all the time too, Bob. But, you know, I think my answer is normal in that I have a success story in that I found the love of my life. We've been married for almost 20 years, yada, yada, yada. And so how could I say no? But I love your answer that it actually gave you such perspective. And what that's such a great like life experience just for that. I mean, even if If you are cast as the villain, it can actually turn out as a positive thing.

But you got to be willing to take that look, though, and you were willing to take that look. You know, he did the work. So I think that's why it made a difference. So good for you, man. Right. Yeah. Well, I appreciate it, guys. It's wonderful to see you.

I hadn't seen you on forever, man. That's great to see you too, man. Well, thanks for coming out, Wes. Have a great one, brother. Good luck in the studio. Good luck with your interviews later today. We'll see all later. All right.

All right. Take care, buddy. Bye, Wes. See later. I love that answer. When's ready? I know, that is such a great answer. I love it.

I just, and I don't know if it could come from, you know, a lot of people on the show. I don't know that people use it to be introspective and to actually, like, they just want to complain about the edit and blame it on the producers. And maybe he did that in the beginning because people probably weren't super kind to him or at least some of them. But I love that he changed it around. and flipped it. Like, I, I respect him even more. Like I said, I respected him for owning it. And now I think he's actually one of my favorites. So there you go. See, I like that. You know, just because of that. I think there's something to be said for honesty and humility. And I love it.

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Absolutely beautiful person inside and out, one of the kindest people. And someone who was on the first season, which I've actually, you know, we've talked a lot over the years. And one of the things I've always wanted to ask her, which I never asked before, which I'm going to ask her today, was one of the things I thought stood out the most was, Every time they'd flash her name up, they wouldn't put the age. They put question marks. They put question mark. I was going to say that too. Yes.

And I was always like, did they choose to do that? Or did she choose to do that? Or did she? Good question. So we got to ask her. So let's bring her in. It's Gwen Joya. Gwen was on season two, Aaron Burgie's season of The Bachelor.

And then she's one of the OGs. Hi, Gwen. Hi, Gwen. Hi, Gwen. Are you beautiful? I'm so good to see you both. It's great to see you too, Jeech. We were just talking to Wes Hayden, who was just on the show right before you.

Do you remember Wes? Of course I do. Yeah. He's a villain with a heart of gold, we decided, because he said that he saw himself on those shows and decided they needed to do some self-work and really kind of re-evaluated who he was and what he was doing. So I thought that was interesting. Yeah, that's great.

Yeah, I enjoyed Wes. Yeah. Same. Yeah, it seemed nice. We were saying, like, he's the first person, I think, on the, on the franchise, maybe, even, to really own being the villain on one of those seasons. You know what I mean? Like, everybody else would go on and they would almost kind of complain that the edit made him look bad or whatever. He was just like, yep, I'm a villain. This is what I'm a bad guy. It's what I do. I'm a bad guy. You know? And it was kind of interesting because I would have never thought that, well, I mean, I could have never done that. I would have been terrified to tell people out of the bad guy. Um, okay, Gwen, we, so Bob and I in prep of this episode watched the first season, sorry, the first episode of the first season of Bachelor Pad. Yes. And both of us, I wanted to ask this. Bob just said he's been interested in asking you. I never asked you.

I know we talked about. Um, okay. So they have you on the show and they have these 20s and 30s somethings. And, you know, when you're, when you come up on your ITMs, they show your first name. And then on BachelorPad, at least they show your age. And I don't, I assume, I think they did it on Erin's season as well. But, and you can tell us this. But on BachelorPad, it had two question marks.

No age. So Bob said, was that a, was that your decision or the producers? It wasn't your decision. No, I didn't know that they would do that at all. I think coming on, They, you know, they always have a plan, right? So, production. And the plan for me was, okay, we're going to have somebody from an early, early show,

mixed with some people more recent. And there's, for some people, there's a big age group, distance between, like, myself and Jesse Beck, you know? So, coming in, the show was sold to me that it was going to be a combination of, like, survivor and jeopardy. So, wit, some trivia in just being athletic. So I don't love aspects. That was never presented.

Really? So. Yeah. I remember you and I talked before you went on the show. And I remember we were like, you're like, yeah, I'm going to do the show. I'm like, oh, my God, I could never do that show. I would get killed on a show like that. And I was scared for you, you know, going into it.

You, of course, you know, did wonderfully, you know, for yourself. No one would be surprised. by that but it was one of those things i remember going oh my god i could never do a show like that i would just get destroyed because i trust everybody too much and that survivor element scares the hell out of me yeah i think i feel like i i trust people too and i think it has been so long since i'd been on and i thought you know i'm probably a jack-of-all-trades master at none like i'm pretty athletic but i can do any sport but i'm not going to be like the star and i'm not i know enough i can hold my own. So going in, I thought, okay, well, just, let's just do this. It makes

some friends long the way. It's, you know, what, three weeks in terms of filming. But it was a lot different than I expected going in. And I feel like the producers maybe realized, you know, a week or so in that, gosh, you know, this isn't working. Maybe we should change it up, change it out. That's throwing a lot of it. Oh, okay. Maybe that's why they changed it up. Well, I, I wonder, do you remember how old you were then? It was in 2010. 2010, yeah. Yeah.

So you were, yeah, 40. You were 40? Is that what you said? Uh-huh. Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry, but that was 2010, and that's 12 years ago. You do not age. What is your secret?

I know, Gwen does not age. It's crazy. I am, like, blown away. I have seen pictures of you, obviously, on social since then, and I always feel the same way. how do you not age you are just you are such a stunner you know what i'm healthy i eat well i exercise um take care of myself i i don't go in sun so okay that i bet that that that's probably your secret yeah explains why i look like a pair of old boots exactly because i don't eat well i don't i drink too much i'm always in the sun by the way you don't look like a pair of old boots

You got the baby face, Bob. I soak my face in Tito's every night before I go to sleep. A Tito's compress. I thought you were to take coconut oil. No, it's Tito's. Tito's oil. You know, it's really good for the skin. Great for the hair.

So we asked Wes this question. We got to ask you too. So obviously that show was, I'm sure, just a really unique experience because, I mean, And it was back in the day still a little bit, too, so it was probably before it became a super socially conscious show, which I feel like now there are, you know, there are rules in place now, right? Now you can only have one drink per hour and things of that nature. I've read on some stuff.

Yeah, right. There's no way. That's true. I know. Well, back then, I remember on Tristan's season, they'd come in, they'd be like, what do you guys want to eat? And I'd be like, oh, we want burgers and dogs. We want to drink.

Titos and beer. The Titos and beer was there in like eight minutes, and the burgers and dogs showed up the next day you know so i mean with bachelor pad was it was it kind of like that was it was it a little more of like a a fun and and you know uh booze fueled event or was it were they like trying to get you guys you know sporty and doing all the athletic competitions i think certainly booze is always there for i feel like a lot of the bachelor everything so they try to get people to you know drink up because they want people to do some things really and to have some drama because that's what makes this. I mean, they try to start up a lot. I don't know if West is there, but there are a couple

girls at one point. And they were like asking everyone, can you just take your thumbs off? Or can you just start kissing each? I mean, they were just trying to really amp it up. And I'm, and I thought, gosh, you know, so different from way back when it was just more authentic. And yeah, they weren't trying to create a story or manipulate their storyline. Yeah. True. Yeah, they were definitely going for it at that point. And it's probably why, I mean, how many seasons were, was Bachelor Pat? Does anyone know? I think it was two.

Just the two. I think it was two. And then Bachelor and Parades came along. Yeah. Much better. Yeah. Much better, right? Maybe with that love element and, you know, not putting people against each other.

I think with Bachelor friends, people were being deceitful and lying and scheming and trying to undermine one of that. It was, that wasn't a positive environment. It was like tearing to their part, really. Right. Sure. No, I agree. I agree with that. I was kind of like, is Jesse Kovacs kidding when he said, you know, lying and cheating or

lying and deceiving? That's my middle name. And, you know, I can see that being said in a sarcastic tone. And he said that in the first episode that I just watched. But I was thinking to myself, that makes me like, I don't like that. I, because it could potentially also be a show about love, why is he coming out? it like lying and deceiving is my middle name. I didn't like that either. So I think that you're right. Like Bachelor in Paradise is just a great way to change up the show. You know, they wanted to

kind of do a spinoff from Bachelor and Bachelorette and the Bachelor Pad was great to start with. But I love that they have evolved into Bachelor and Paradise because it is still mostly, even though there's lots of drama about the love. Hey, Gwen, let me ask you, do you still watch the show at all? This much now. I haven't watched the last few seasons. I've watched for a really long time.

I've probably up until maybe this year I was watching. And where are you now? Are you states or you're right? You moved back to the States because I know you lived in Paris for a while. Yeah, Paris and Philly. Yeah, that was great. And then I moved back to the U.S.

Then I lived in New York for like four and a half years. I just moved out in New York during a pandemic. And so now I see the time between Rhenish, Connecticut, where I am today, and Florida. Awesome. We're in Florida. Great. Fort Lauderdale. Oh, nice.

Florida. Like there during the cold months in here. That's, and are you, did you ever find a love match? Yeah. So I actually am living. with my boyfriend now so he lived so um yeah it was just time and during the pandemic when I moved out in New York we just moved in together oh that's awesome I'm so happy for you I know that it's been it's been a it's been a while since being on the show and um I always

I just always wanted you to be happy and I love that you found somebody the whole world loves That's going to, Julia. That's for sure. Love me too. So I know you loved doing Bachelorpad or assume that you had some fun just because of the relationships. Do you wish that Bachelor in Paradise had been around instead of Bachelor Path? Definitely. There were times during Bachelor Prada, I was just like, what did I get myself into? I don't want to be here. You know, so it's, you know, I liked it. I wouldn't say I loved it.

And I only liked it because I meant some good people and made good friendships there. But I didn't like the concept. Yeah. No, it seems like it would have been better suited to you to be on Bachelor in Paradise. It wasn't my thing. You know, I want to be authentic and real and this is not. Yeah, right. I think especially for the first season, I feel like everyone came into it thinking we just have to.

It's kind of like Big Brother-esque in that, you know, you just, you're going to ask forgiveness later. You're just going to lie in deceit and, you know, cheat your way to the top and then say, I'm sorry, it was all a game, you know? When, if you say that about love, then you're just a douchebag, you know. Right. That's exactly it. Oh, my God, you guys.

My son is throwing Post-it notes at me. I don't even know what's going on right now. Like, I want to, I want the pretty. Toosers to frame and like the still shot of you looking at Grayson when he flipped the computer the second time. Like that's the mad dad face. Oh, there is. There is again. Sorry, Glenn.

I should be asking you questions instead of dying, laughing right now. So sorry, guys. So sorry. No, it's fine. Okay. This is why I need an office. yeah maybe maybe this is the kicker yeah this is the one final straw this is what did it well gwen i miss you it was great talking to you i have one more question i want one because we did

ask um west this when we talked to him what is your favorite memory from the show and he kind of said what you said about you know you love that you made relationships but do you have one memory that that stands out whether it's funny or sentimental or whatever and And maybe something that, you know, we didn't see on the show. We'd love to hear it. So long, but I don't even remember, like, so much about the show. But really, I think a lot of it was, it's when I got to know Gia really well. So we had some, just like, girl bonding time, which was great.

And, um, world discussions about, you know, the strategy and what we're doing and just life in general. And, um, another. another good memory was with the weather man yes the weather man i'm just yeah just because i had no idea who he was you know prior to the show or whatnot but just somebody like really down to earth super genuine when we were just you know we worked out on some you know dates or whatnot talking about you know italy and all our travels because that's such a passion so that was a really positive um memory too and then i like him i thought

Wes and Gia, like, you know, falling for each other. So witnessing that is a special. Yeah, yeah, we talked to him about, I asked him about it. And, yeah, it's still so heartbreaking. Just watching the episode and seeing just, I mean, her inner beauty even shines through when you watch the show. It just still breaks my heart to this day. But, yeah, thank you, Gwen. It's been awesome seeing you and chatting.

Thanks, Kij. Thanks for coming on. And you look great for stuff. You do. You both look really beautiful, by the way. Aw, thanks. You don't need to do my Tito's Compress. You guys are much better off. Tito's Compress.

We're going to get right on that, though. It's working for you, Bob. Oh, thanks. Thanks, Gwen. I appreciate it. I love to having you on. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Gwen.

Thank you both. Take care. Bye. You know, what's funny, so it's really interesting to me that this show, you know, I asked the producers, how can we watch? And they said, HBO Max, do you have HBO Max? I'm like, yeah. So I go on HBO Max. And it's like BachelorPad, Bachelor, Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise, they have all four and Winter Games, all five of the franchise of shows, although they don't have every single show.

But it's so interesting, like back in the day, you had to record it on your VCR or your TiVo, like you said, or you have to be watching live. Like you couldn't, when the show was done, it was done. Like there was no looking back. And I think for us, especially, I think for me too, it was kind of calming in that once this is over, then it's never going to be seen again. No one will see it again. Yeah, I know, yeah. There's something really, really, you know, really kind of, I don't know, it almost like absolved you of the show, you know, once it was over.

Yeah. Right. And now you can watch. I mean, they don't have every single season on of each of those shows. Yeah. But I do love that we can go back and watch some of them at least. And I know, like, there are other apps, like, Tooby has some. And maybe they've sold them to different.

different apps just to have people watching on different on different apps but um yeah i think it's really interesting that that back in the day like you just couldn't it was done and now it's over yeah yeah it's now it's now it's everywhere i mean i you know i would be interested to see um you know once when and if uh you know the the whole franchise wraps at some point which you know i i guess everything would happen to a certain degree uh you know where things come to an end i suppose Which probably isn't anytime soon, but if it weren't happened. I don't think it's anytime soon. I wonder if there'd be a big box set that would come out of every season, you know. No, because box sets, people would look at it and say, what is that?

Just like they did at your compact disc. Oh, that's right. Very good point. Box set is not happening in this game. There aren't box sets anymore, are there? There are no box sets. Yes, you just staged yourself just a little bit. Only at like vintage record stores. That's the only place. Okay, so bye, everybody. Thanks for tuning in today.

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