The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OG: Rock & Roll with Christy Carlson Romano

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

Trista Sutter is ready to recap season 3 episode 4 of Special Forces, and she brought fellow recruit Christy Carlson Romano along for the ride!Christy shares what happens behind the scenes after a men...tally and physically exhausting task, and we find out why she was hanging out with Dwayne “The Rock”. Plus, we hear about why therapists are as important as medics on set, and Christy clears the air on how she looked in the final edit!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.
Starting point is 00:00:25 Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's start with a quick puzzle. The answer is Ken Jennings' appearance on The Puzzler with A.J. Jacobs. The question is, what is the most entertaining listening experience in podcast land? Jeopardy Truthers believe in... I guess they would be Kenspiracy theorists. That's right.
Starting point is 00:00:58 To give you the answers and you still blitzers. The Puzzler. Listen on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you. Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Kurt Brown-Oller. And I am Scotty Landis, and we host Bananas, the podcast where we share the weirdest, funniest, real news stories from all around the world.
Starting point is 00:01:48 And sometimes from our guest's personal lives, too. Like when Whitney Cummings recently revealed her origin story on the show. There's no way I don't already have rabies. This is probably just why my personality is like this. I've been surviving rabies for the past 20 years. New episodes of bananas drop every Tuesday in the exactly right network. Listen to bananas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Almost Famous Podcast with IHart Radio.
Starting point is 00:02:17 Welcome everybody to Almost Famous OGs. It's Trista. Bob is playing in Pebble Beach, Carmel, without me, at a golf tournament, which I'm having major fomo about, but the only thing making it better is that Christy Carlson Romano is here as my co-host to talk all the special forces recap and tea and all the things. How are you? How are you? I'm good, but when I was texting you last night, so a little, a little background, I was watching the show, of course, and all of a sudden, like, three quarters of the way through, almost three quarters of the way through, the plane and
Starting point is 00:03:01 helicopter crash happened, which, oh my gosh, it is such a horrible story. Like, I, I just, I just can't imagine and think about it. Our first episode was the fires. And the fire coverage on the West Coast got cut out due to fires. So it's been a really wild. I mean, just these few weeks. January has still not ended. I just want to point that out. I want it to be done. Yeah, we need to move on.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Lordy. We've had enough drama and chaos for the whole year. So, yes. So I got cut off and I didn't get to watch it. And so I waited until this morning for it to come out on Hulu. I text you and I'm like, I'm so proud of you. You made it. And then like two seconds.
Starting point is 00:03:56 seconds later on the show, she gets her arm band pulled. So I'm like, I'm, and you didn't respond to me. And I was like, oh, crap, what's happening? And you're usually so good about it. And I was like, oh, no, did I say something wrong? And then I saw the show this morning. And I was like, well, hello. I totally said, well, you should be so proud.
Starting point is 00:04:17 And then it was like the moment that you got pulled from the show. So I'm so sorry that I was clearly obtuse and just an idiot. I honestly thought because you are so supportive that you had seen it and you were already just being like, hey, you made it that far and just to be proud, because I don't think that the sentiment changes. And it's been a really kind of very introspective 12 hours. I think from, you know, it hasn't probably even been 12 hours. My daughter in the middle of the night got a fever because flu's going around right now.
Starting point is 00:04:53 No. Oh, yeah. Ryan's been sick for like a week. And I think 100 kids were out at the school yesterday because of flu. Oh, that's a lot of kids. Watch out for that. It's the January flu. Let's just call it back since this is what's happening.
Starting point is 00:05:13 But she'll be okay. It was just, it's funny how I've seen this meme or, you know, funny reels that us moms like send each other. I should start sending you some too. Yes, please. Okay, good. you're on the short list now but you know we send that send each other stuff and one of the funny things is when you're having a emotional breakdown as a mom but then you stop because your child comes in and asks you to open a bag of snacks i'll send you that one so that's how it
Starting point is 00:05:43 felt last night that's how it felt last night when i was like you know like a little emo or whatever and then like my daughter comes in and she's like you know it's it's about four in the morning and we wake up at six or so, you know, to get ready for school. And there's something in you that just hones in on, okay, this is what my life is, you know, like the reality and the purpose and, and, and, and it's, it's, it's a, it's a service, you know, that moms have. We, we activate and we take care of our babies. So I think that that kind of delayed any more grieving that I've had, you know, on trying to think about what went down. So I'm actually curious how you, I mean, do you do this on your pod? Do you go from the beginning of a show?
Starting point is 00:06:30 From the beginning. But since you're here, like, I want to know about how you're feeling to start. And, and I will say, I mean, even though I was only there for two days, you put it perfectly, grieving. Like, I feel like you're grieving. You're not, like, my decision. was my decision. They obviously pulled your armband so that it was very different. But tell me what you're grieving because people normally think
Starting point is 00:07:00 of grieving as a loss or a death or, you know, something like that. But I feel like it's very similar. And I feel like I've kind of gone through the stages of grief in a way, like being, you know, at P... I was at peace to start. Maybe I went backwards.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Maybe I went through it backwards. And then I was like, I got home and I'm like, wait, what did I just do? Kyla felt the same way. And Kyla, spoiler alert, was also eliminated, although she quit. So I felt like she had a very similar thing to you, Trista, where, you know, she was this tiny girl. And she had made it so far. She actually, and I don't want to speak for her, but she's very vocal about this. She kind of wanted to quit that morning, but kind of got rushed into the morning events.
Starting point is 00:07:49 of like, get your pack, get your this, get that. And she was trying to find a time to make it happen. She said she even went to the rock like you did. And Q was like, we're busy, like, go away. So it wasn't the right time. And then she essentially was just like, I got to go. She was trying. But then she's like, no.
Starting point is 00:08:09 And when we went through it the night before, right? Yeah. You know, I think they were really thinking one of us would break. And clearly they didn't know. that the Disney girls are, you know, we're pretty resilient. Mickey Mouse, like, you know, we're tough like that. Gang, gang. But she was, she's so great, though, because we also have a sense of humor,
Starting point is 00:08:34 which I think really brought you through the pain and your hypothermia, to still feel so good about your experience. And then, you know, her and I then had been making jokes and trying to keep it light. And, you know, this is the episode that you see just how real this show gets, just how serious the show actually is for like the next, you know, this episode and the next episode is even more serious. Yeah, it's crazy. So tell me your thought process on why you think it's grieving and what you're grieving. Absolutely. I will. Sometimes your audience is going to have to bear with your co-host today because I do talk around topics. Maybe they're nice,
Starting point is 00:09:18 though. Maybe you have really sweet and patient. They are. They must be because they know you and they love you. So you have to love me. And listen, we're, if even if we had like a script of what we're going to talk about, it does not have to go by the script. That's the beauty of our podcast. That's the beauty of most podcasts. But for now, like, yeah, we're just chatting. We're just chatting. We're just chatting. All right. So I, you're right. It's very hard to put a word to what a contestant on the show experiences after. And I think that that's why production allows for you to have mental health access afterwards. They've checked in with us periodically. And I've commended Fox as well
Starting point is 00:09:59 as Minow to sort of allocate the budget to make sure that we're all good. And that they don't have to really, I don't feel like they have to do that. And certainly, and other sets I've been in, they haven't thought that way. So it's kind of like, well, this is a nice surprise that I have access to this for the first time. That being said, I mean, the therapist wasn't really there. I think there was a couple therapists that would watch us around the clock, right, Trissa? Yep. Yeah, because when you finish your exit interview, when you leave the show, you do an exit interview on camera, and then you go and you talk to the psychologist and you make sure that everything's okay, if there's anything you want to share. And when I was doing my exit interview
Starting point is 00:10:41 with the psychologist, I was sitting at her desk. And she had. had like, she had a whole, all the cameras were on. So she was watching what was happening. She had a, like a bunch of cameras, a bunch of, yeah, totally. She was watching everything happened and, and listening to everything that we were saying, not just to the DS, but everything that was recorded. So they know. The psychologists are totally tuned in to what's happening on the show in real time. Of course, of course. And I think even just for liability, sake. That makes a ton of sense. But then the aftercare element of the show, I do think is it. I actually think I will, because I have access to it, just reach out to the lady. Because why not?
Starting point is 00:11:28 Like, therapy is expensive. And if I can get some free therapy, like, I'm going to go call her today. I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you one little bit of a learning lesson that I've learned from this. And that is, yes, 100% talk to the psychologist. But after. After I interviewed Rudy and Billy, I was like, everyone needs to talk to them to get some kind of closure. So I don't know if there's a way that you can reach out. I know Rudy is great. I know you have, you've been, you've talked to Q.
Starting point is 00:12:02 Like, yeah. I feel like just call them up, honestly, or DM them and say, hey, could we have a conversation? That's just, you know, me to you. And me to all the cast. Like, I feel like they need to build that into the show. is for all of us to like each person should have like a debriefing or whatever you want to call it after you're finished with the show and just connect with them because it really truly, it felt like closure to me. I don't know. It was amazing. I love that that's beautiful. I love that. And each of us had the person that came down on us the hardest for me. It happened to be Billy and yours was cute. And I know that you guys connected on the pod and in another episode, which you should.
Starting point is 00:12:46 go, you should go listen to you if you haven't earned it. Thanks, Christy. Yeah. And it must have been, I wonder, it was Bob there when you talked to Q and was that cathartic? It was very cathartic. Bob was there and we just laughed a lot. And I feel like, you know this, laughter just helps with healing. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:06 It's just magic. So I feel like it was a great way to really see him as a human, you know, and not just to not, I know they're directing staff. That's what D.S. stands for, but everyone wants to call him drill sergeants. And that's kind of what he was at me, like yelling at me, like a drill sergeant. So I could see him as a human more than a drill sergeant. Okay. So the one thing that I will say that I felt like was a little tricky was that they actually re-edited. Am I even allowed to say this? Like, I don't even know. Okay. Yes. And it's not disparaging the show. It's the, it's a choice cut. I mean, they do the most beautiful edits on these shows to keep people
Starting point is 00:13:46 entertained. And, you know, day two, Kylo was telling me, she's like, this is a TV show. This isn't like, we're not actually doing this. This is a structured show for us. And so we, and so she was thinking of it in a different way. And I was lost in the sauce. I was really thinking I was like in it. I don't know what I guess because my husband got to me. So when I watched it back this last episode, it shocked me that, you know, my interrogation was about day three or four. I really don't remember. A lot of those days started to blur together. But it was early on that I had been interrogated.
Starting point is 00:14:22 And so they had to re-edit it. And so I understand the flow and, you know, just production in general. But what I'll say is, you know, I was struggling without an interrogation. And the way that we had the edit delivered was such that it felt like they really encouraged me at, like, the last hour of my contribution in the show. And so that's cool. I don't, I don't take offense to it. But it is, it is a lot of things really are out of sequence. And it's for this.
Starting point is 00:14:53 And it's for the plot. It's for the storyline of like, hey, Christy, without Kyla, then I would naturally be the weakest person. Also, I think oldest besides. Yeah, because Carrie's gone. So I was the oldest at 40, um, standing there. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam.
Starting point is 00:15:19 Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?
Starting point is 00:15:49 Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. Hello, Ed.
Starting point is 00:16:08 I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club. I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up,
Starting point is 00:16:24 but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get
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Starting point is 00:17:10 or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, This was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Mark had one chance to complete this program and had to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was.
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Starting point is 00:18:57 Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so part of my reconciliation with how. I left was that I missed the fight. Like, obviously, I missed all of this. But the next day is when you guys did the fighting and the submersion in the boat. And I thought, well, thank God I didn't fight because so many people broke noses, ribs, everything, and had to leave. And that could have been me. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:19:33 We could have fought. We could have fought each other. That would have made me so sad. Oh, no. What helps me reconcile my leaving also is that I got to miss out on that. Is any part of you thankful that you left when you did because of what they did after you left? I'll tell you this. I think mentally, okay, so speaking of the therapy session out of, you know, when you leave,
Starting point is 00:20:01 I was, and maybe he was just telling me what I wanted to hear, but I just don't think the therapists need to do that to you, you know, at that point. He was very sweet and he was like, look, you know, it was, we were all kind of bummed in the Truman show, whatever room with all the TVs when he took your armband. And we really felt like if you could somehow make it through today that you would do really well with the mental stuff with interrogation. And who's to say that that is the case? Because I look at it now, I'm like, oh, man, calorically, I was starving.
Starting point is 00:20:36 I was also stressed. So I don't know if you're like me, but I was not eating the. little raw eggs and the whatever crap they were given to us. I was like, yeah, I think I'm just too nervous. I felt like a sitting duck. Regardless, mentally, I was in it to win it. So I do think interrogation-wise, I would have been like, do whatever you want to me. You know what I mean? Like, I'll just push it, push it out of my mind and keep going. Whatever, you know, I guess that's how I'm feeling now. It was a fantastic episode, though, right? Like, it was fantastic. Like, honestly, so I was catching up on it right before this, and I had it on the screen,
Starting point is 00:21:12 and Ryan was about to take Cota for a walk. And he was just standing there with his AirPods in, with his coat on. Like, he couldn't leave. He was like, this is so riveting. Yeah, this show you cannot look away from. You cannot look away from it once it's on. No. And honestly, like, there are just little things that I'm always blown away by that I'm like,
Starting point is 00:21:33 oh, that's funny. the bugs did you see i mean how could you not freaking see all of the bugs flying all over billy and anyone who was ready during the break man thing no i did oh my god christie they were so bad so when we did the bridge the first day or the second day or whatever the bugs were bad but it hadn't just rained and they weren't as bad as last night you need to go back and see you need to go back and Like, they are swarming all around them. And I'm like, oh, my God, they're at the bottom waiting for, waiting to break people and save their life, essentially.
Starting point is 00:22:15 And all these bugs are all around. And I was like, I wouldn't have been able to do it. I would not have been able to focus on anything except the fact that bugs are like eating me alive, you know? Yeah. Absolutely. And I'm sure Billy didn't even blink because he's a tough. No.
Starting point is 00:22:31 It didn't blink at all. And Cam is. like, you know, actually blinking and like trying to keep them out of his eyes. I don't know. That was a freaky thing to me. Okay, let's go back to the first part of the episode. So the first part of the episode, your Ruck is not, or your Birken is not, Bergen, Bergen, or whatever it's Yeah, Bergen. I know Denise, Denise called it a Bergen. Yeah, Denise called it a Burkin. I love that. I thought that was hilarious. Let's call it a Burgen. Um, so it is, um, not full. So let's tell people what we had to, what we had to do, um,
Starting point is 00:23:14 with our burghans to make sure that they were ready. So they gave us sandbags and they gave us a pile of sand, but that pile of sand was outside and so it would get wet. And you would essentially locate the sand, put it in the bag and then stuff your bag so that it would quote unquote make weight. And that weight was, I forget, Was it 20? 20 pounds? Or no. The entirety of it. What is it? It was like 35. 35? Okay. So that's what we... Well, 35 pounds, not kilograms or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I also didn't help. I think it was 15. It was 15 kilograms, I think. I think 15 was the number. Oh, and I just saw I wore this in honor of you. Oh, you still have it? I still have it. Oh, no, I proposed to you. I know. So I told Christy, I felt naked without my ring. I didn't have my ring on because I wear it every day. And Christy was like, oh, I have an extra one. Do you want one? She's like, do you want light pink or whatever? And I was like, well, duh, pink's my color. So I have your ring on. Thank you. I was so bummed. They didn't get that. Because I remember being like, will you take this ring? It was like a bachelor throwback. I was trying to be cute. got me, you know. Yep.
Starting point is 00:24:36 Thank you. Again, thank you for that. So sweet. I totally forgot about that. That was so fun. Yeah, right? Oh, yeah. Okay, so I think it was 15.
Starting point is 00:24:45 We had, we had, there was like a little hanging, um, scale thing. You had to hang your ruck on there and weigh it. Yep. It was all chaotic that day, I felt like. Mm-hmm. Did you have a chance to weigh it or were you guys still like on top of that stuff at that point? I think we did. start to worry about our appearance more because they said we needed to all be uniform. So in this
Starting point is 00:25:09 episode, you can actually hear Carrie say, jackets on. Because if one person was going to have a jacket, everybody wanted a jacket. But some of the guys were really hot in whatever they had underneath, but we all decided for the women that they would wear jackets. So on the last go, we all have the jackets and the hats so that we could stay because we were like, somebody's going to get wet, etc so that became you know there's always so many things that you have to think about in order to not to evade the DS and and sort of hope that you don't get on their radar and unfortunately I was probably one of the most screw I hate to say anything definitive because then the internet is like she's so impressed with herself but the truth is is that I didn't bring the Theragon
Starting point is 00:25:55 and I didn't store like food or snacks and I and Cam this is not actually shown, but that same day, we got punished again inside the barracks by Q, where we had to stand against the wall, bended knee, and he was checking our racks to see if we were storing anything that wasn't approved. And so a lot of people had things, and Q actually read Golden's diary, and they kind of had it back and forth with that, because he had said some mean things about D.S. in his diary. I'm sorry, but he read the dot. That doesn't seem well. I think at that point with day seven, day eight, they really are starting to, it's a whole other level of show. It's not even the same show. It's like the first and sort of second part of it. And so they, it starts to get
Starting point is 00:26:49 very personal. And from what I know, with the hubs being who, the vet of the world, he's like, if this was real, they'd be screaming it in your face all day long until you passed out, right? So this was nothing compared to what would really happen. But Q really did give us a taste of like, you have to be to code, you know? And so that same moment, he hopped over to Cam. He hopped over to me. And I had nothing that was not approved by production
Starting point is 00:27:16 because I just didn't want to be the one. And sometimes I'd suffer. Like I'd look over at Alana and she had these beautiful like face oils and she'd be like rubbing her face. And I'm like, she looks so beautiful. And she'd like put the same like a hobo oil or whatever, like on her hair and she'd look so pretty. And I was like, and she's got this great butt. Like if you look at her Instagram. Oh, no. I literally, I think right after we were allowed to
Starting point is 00:27:41 start following each other. I went, I went on everyone's, you know, thing and started following. And the first thing I said to her was, oh my God, your ass is her peach, her peach tushy. Her peach tushy, man. And she just, like, she, I remember it's changing because we had to change in front of each other. And I was very shy. Like we're talking like I brought like pea panties that literally went like down to almost my knee. And I was just so nervous. I'm very shy. My husband was like, make sure you don't get into any weird situations with any of these like, what do you mean pee panties? What are pee panties? Oh my God. I literally, because you know, we're moms. Like I have a little bit of a problem with this and I'll probably get it fixed or
Starting point is 00:28:21 whatever. But it's been something that I've always battled with. And you know, I was like, I don't know what they're going to put us through. But if I have any like leaks or anything, like I don't want to be gross. Oh, yeah. I also had my period when we first got there. No, you did not. Yep, I had my period. I thought about that. So I have not had a period since my daughter was born because I had to have an oblation. But I was wondering, because you know how when women all get together, then they sink up. And I'm like, if one person gets it, then probably everyone will. You had it. A couple of us had it. And I won't say who, but a couple of us had it. And I just so happened to have all the things. Like, I was like ready to go because I knew like clockwork, what was going to happen and how long.
Starting point is 00:29:04 I thought maybe the stress of me training and just being in a different country and time zone would make it go away. I think I even spoke to the medical people prior and was like, hey, is there anything we can take? And he's like, well, there is something in the field that women take to make them not have their period or something. And I was like, really? I said, no, I'll have it. It's fine.
Starting point is 00:29:26 It is what it is. yeah true true story like what did you do though because when can you freaking change a tampon i know on the show tell me about it tell me about it we all had to get very creative and then by of course in a couple days it was over but um but that was not fun i was like i was like hiding tampons like in my bergen and um in my pocket of whatever i was wearing and i was like handing them to other people like here do you want this because i also didn't want to like blow their spot up in front of these cameras. It was my first reality show. Totally. I was, I thought I knew, I thought I knew what I was doing. You did, obviously. You were good. So, so back to,
Starting point is 00:30:06 you guys got punished for people stowing snacks and contraband, essentially. It wasn't just that my bag was overweight. It was also that he went into the, we were just messy all the way around. And the other thing about I'll say about the sand, and this isn't to justify the error that I committed, so to speak. But, you know, the sand when it's wet, it weighs heavier. When it dries, totally. It's lighter. So I actually do find it really interesting because I did fill my bag pretty consistently when Carrie would go out and do it. I'm like, I'm going to do what does because he knew what to do. And I would just follow him around sometimes like a puppy dog. It was hard not to. I mean, the man just knows what he's right. He's a leader. He's a natural leader.
Starting point is 00:30:52 That's a gem of a man. And it did break my heart when he got into it broke my heart. I know. I literally was like, so when I interviewed D.S. Rudy and D.S. Billy. They said, you know, be proud of yourself. You left when you did. You could have left like tripping over, you know, like a cord, just doing one of the tasks, but just tripping over something like not even related to the task.
Starting point is 00:31:22 And I remembered, I was like, oh, my God, yes, that's Carrie. And it happened last night. I was like, Ryan, here it comes. He's going to fall. And he fell right then. I felt horrible. And the fact that the four DS walked into the medic room and said goodbye to him, that just, I mean, that shows everybody that he really was so respected and looked up to during this course. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:31:49 The DS just got so, I feel like it must have pissed them off so much. and Kyla didn't quit that night. And they were just like, God damn it. Because then they're like, we lost Carrie. And now we still got these two buffoons, as they like to call us. I'm like, stop it. I'm like, I'm not leaving. Are you leaving?
Starting point is 00:32:05 And she's like, I'm not leaving right now. I'll leave tomorrow. But I'm not leaving now. And I was like, yeah. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Weird.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Oh, okay. So we talked about the. Okay, okay, your bag and then the fact that basically you guys were like, you know, chaotic. And there was other reasons that we were punished. I just want to make it clear that it wasn't exclusively my Bergen. And also, I don't know if you can tell, but nobody else saw me or even Kyla as the weakest link. I mean, you got the strongest person there, Cam, talking to Kyla, saying, baby, you've got this. You just keep going.
Starting point is 00:32:44 And then you've got him trying to support me. He was, you didn't even see, like, he took our bags and he did this. And especially when I was dealing with that rock. Because there was some times when he's like, this isn't right. He said that to me. He's like, this isn't right. And so he would help me with the bags the day I had the rock. There was actually a really funny moment that did not get captured when I had the rock in my bag.
Starting point is 00:33:05 And I looked at Q before, gosh, it must have been once we got up there for the line, the moving the line. The Tyrolean something, Tyrolean Traverse is what it's called, I think. And I had the rock in my bag and I looked at Q and I, he's, he's obviously such a kidder. And sometimes you'll catch them off guard because they're so stoic and strong. But I'd like to, I'd like to try to catch them off guard at that point. And I said, staff, I have a name for my, my rock. Because I knew that if they wanted to break me, I wanted to show them, I still had a sense of humor. I said, I have a name for my rock staff.
Starting point is 00:33:48 And he was like, what is it, recruit? And I was like, it's Dwayne the Rock Bergen. Now I know what I'm getting you for your birthday. A little. You give me a rock with an eyebrow on it. Oh, my gosh. That is awesome. I love the behind-the-scenes moments that we don't get to see.
Starting point is 00:34:16 I think that's why it's fun to have the podcast. and for you to be the right person. And, you know, Golden also has his podcast where he's coming at it from an athletic perspective. And it is so interesting, each person's experience of it is reflective, I think, of the conversations they have with D.S, the reason they even took the contract. Like, I see Marian Jones, and she's doing such a great job of, you know, proving why she's, her greatness is, is not questionable, you know, and how.
Starting point is 00:34:48 she's survived through things and is on the other side. And I really loved her. There were some people that really, like, you were the first person that really kind of messed with morale when you left. Marion was definitely for the women, I would say. When she left, I think we all felt that. And then when Carrie did, it was like, Jesus. What are we all going to do now?
Starting point is 00:35:13 We kind of, like, you, the air in the room was so. sucked out as soon as Carrie was like shaking and weak. It was like seeing your dad like shaking in a week. Yes, your mentor like someone you look up to. I mean, he was, I know everyone went to him with questions and tried to garner that support from him. And, you know, same thing I've talked about it. Cam, was that for me too.
Starting point is 00:35:41 He was kind of like, I'm going to carry your bag. When he came back and got me at the beach, when Q was like, don't you come and get her And he was like, whatever, I'm going to go help her with her bag and get her into this vehicle. So, no, I'm so glad that he continued to do that. And I assume Golden, too, you know, I feel like it is such teamwork. That's, I love this part of the show and part of me, like, before I went, I really wanted to make it to the end. But also, I had little goals. I wanted to get to an interrogation.
Starting point is 00:36:17 I wanted to get to the point where you're writing the death letters. I wanted to, you know, get to those little increments. Yeah. What made you want to get to interrogation? I'm curious. Just, why does everyone, I mean, I'm the same way. To connect? Just to connect.
Starting point is 00:36:32 So connection to me is what life is all about. And connecting with the DS in watching the previous seasons, I felt like the interrogate, not the interrogation. It's the mirror room. You know, interrogation to me. You did get interrogated. not? I did get a mirror room. Yeah. They didn't show it, but I, but I did get it. So I was thankful for that because I know, like, Allie didn't get one. And, well, I think everybody else did.
Starting point is 00:37:02 But, yeah, I was thankful for that because of that connection with the DS. They just get to know you on a personal level and not, like, where they're looking, like, you're not looking up at them or they're not looking down at you, you're looking just across the table at each other, you know, as humans. So I, that's how I felt like the mirror room was. That's great. And you had, I'm thankful that they did show your mirror room, but you're right, like Kayla's mirror room was shown, or part of it was shown in the first episode, I feel like. So the two hours, so I don't know if it was actually the first or the second. But when they show her coming back from from her mirror room, my cot was already gone.
Starting point is 00:37:46 If you notice, my cot was gone. So that was definitely after I had left, she had her mirror room. So you're right. Like, they are definitely not showing you in order. Yeah. What's happening. Right. So I like that you clarified that the mirror room that you, that was shown for you,
Starting point is 00:38:05 was earlier on. And you didn't really have that, like, supportive dialogue happening. No, I did not. Yeah, right before you left. In fact, like, I was shocked after the coffin that they didn't try to pull me in and be like, hey, like, are you, are you good? Because that was insane. Yeah, you were crying the whole time, weren't you?
Starting point is 00:38:27 So here's the thing. Actually, I wasn't crying. They looped a lot of that because I think I was singing the bluey theme song pretty much. Okay. Do you want to see what I did? Maybe we could make this an asset. Okay. Oh my God, yes.
Starting point is 00:38:44 Okay, I was like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh, my. That's what I actually did. Amazing. And so, in Katrina, who was the producer, she said that they were all texting each other, and they're like, what is she singing? Because they don't have bluey in the UK. In the UK. And so somebody goes, I think it's the bluey thieves.
Starting point is 00:39:13 Oh my gosh My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly And now I'm seriously suspicious Oh wait a minute Sam Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit Well Dakota, it's back to school week On the OK Storytime podcast So we'll find out soon
Starting point is 00:39:31 This person writes My boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot He doesn't think it's a problem But I don't trust her Now he's insisting we get to know each other But I just want her gone Now hold up Isn't that against school policy?
Starting point is 00:39:43 That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:40:09 What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York state number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs.
Starting point is 00:40:48 Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Ed.
Starting point is 00:41:10 Everyone say, hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer. And my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?
Starting point is 00:41:23 I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family.
Starting point is 00:41:46 And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable.
Starting point is 00:42:20 These are the coldest of cold cases, but everything is about to change. Every case that is a cold case that has DNA right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA. Using new scientific tools, they're finding clues in evidence so tiny, you might just miss it. He never thought he was going to get caught, and I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha. On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors, and you'll meet the team behind the scenes at Othrum, the Houston Lab that takes on the most hopeless cases, to finally solve the unsolvable.
Starting point is 00:43:01 Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know what? I have a song, a song story. So before the show, in a way to prepare, like, I thought if I got to the torture end, like the end of it when they're torturing you, I was like, there's only so much you can like talk to yourself in positive terms, the mantras, you know, the everything. And I was like, I need to have a song that I can just sing on a loop to myself over and over again. And my song was, um, uh, American Pie. Ooh, that's a good one. Mine was, because I know every word and like, you know the word. That song so long. Oh, that's so smart. That's so smart. And we're, we're very aligned because mine was going to be. Oh my gosh, back to life, back to reality.
Starting point is 00:44:06 That was going to be mine in there. But it probably would have ended up, but it probably would have ended up being the blue theme song again. No, no. You know how they asked us what our song would be like when we're entering the course, you know, or like exiting or whatever. Yeah. Yours should have, like, back to life, back to reality. Like, you should have used that on a reel for, for when you were finished with the show. Oh, my gosh. That's amazing. I love it. And I posted, you know, I posted our back to life, back to reality with Kyle and I, our little. Oh, you did. Yes. Her little fun thing. And I don't know if I'm jumping ahead. And I'm sure we can talk about that. But it's fine. But yeah, I think, you know, I did think that maybe they would check in with me after the coffin. And so since they hadn't done. on that. And I don't know what day that happened. But I think the day before it might have been
Starting point is 00:45:05 the, I don't even know, honestly, what day that my interrogation actually happened. But, you know, I was kind of struggling. They were right. My head might have been down. I can see that I was definitely kind of like, when we go on these missions, there's always an extra step that they didn't explain to us. That's totally. And so I started to really try to process on the go. And my face has no filter. And so I'm looking at it. And I'm like, oh, she's thinking hard. Yep. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:45:36 I could see it. I could see it. I'm sure you were like, oh, I know exactly what's going on in that girl's mind. I was like, what are they doing? Yep. Yep. Right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:48 So you have the rock. You have to pick up the rock. You have to put the rock in your backpack. Yep. And how much do you, you said it was probably like 150 pounds. Oh, no, no, 50. Or wait. It was 50 pounds, sorry, 50 pounds.
Starting point is 00:46:01 I think the pound made my Bergen 50 pounds. That is crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. I'm sorry. And I also picked up a rock that was too tiny, and Q had me go get another rock that was the right size. So they didn't show that part either. The right size.
Starting point is 00:46:17 Yeah. Okay. So all of the girls, and going back to the recap, all of the girls didn't, it didn't pass. I cannot find my words today. They didn't pass the Tyrolian like traverse thing. How are you feeling doing that challenge? Like was it fun? Was it scary?
Starting point is 00:46:40 Was it something that you were excited to do? I know that some of the things we've talked about like, you know, the helicopter, like it was exhilarating in a way. Yeah. How are you feeling with that challenge? I mean, I had a lot of wins and I knew that. And then when they paired me up with Cam, I thought that I was, I thought I was in good shape.
Starting point is 00:47:01 Like, I was like, Cam's got my back and he would talk to me and say, you know, get out of your head and just do it. And so that's where I was at with it. He was like, get out of your head and let's just do this. But the thing about this Terrillion, what, it Traverse or Terrace? Yeah. What is it? Traverse.
Starting point is 00:47:15 You don't hook your feet as tightly as you think you need to. So my leg got a massive bruise behind the knee because I linked my. my leg and I just because I thought when I watched Rudy that that he kind of crossed the feet but you really got to be so almost like a ballet dancer when you're like gently and gracefully going um so that was something that you know experience would teach you but uh in terms of the women not being able to hold themselves up right like that I truly don't think women are built to unless they are fitness focused folks uh I don't know and Anyone, any female on our, on our recruit team that could have even, I know that Kayla is so, so, so, so, so strong, but I don't know.
Starting point is 00:48:06 But at that point, you know, you're, you're pulling yourself, and I assume there's some pulling involved. So your hands have already got to be like, you know, so tired from pulling yourself across the rope. And I was saying to Ryan because he did Fear Factor back in the day and they did do like a traverse like that. Oh, they did? And they did. And he was like, that's really hard. And he's like, they have to go a really long way. He's like, on Fear Factor, we did like half of that or a quarter of that. So I know that it's like your hands like have got to be so tired. And then you have to hang afterwards. So yeah, I, that seemed really, really hard to me. Although from your couch, I know for people, it probably looked easier than it actually.
Starting point is 00:48:57 is, which I think all of the things on special forces, everything looks easier. Wild. I've been getting some DMs that I've not warranted and had to block because there are people that are like, you just were out of breath or, you know, you, you, you, it's just wild. I'm like, let's bury you in the sand and see how you. Yeah, right. Like, so I'm really, I really am, I'm really starting to look at this and say, life is how you look at it. And at the tender age of 40, about to be 41, I need to truly practice that. And I'm a, I was a reality show Virgin and this was such an eye-opening experience. So there's so many positives to take away from it. And it is, again, like how you look at the experiences is how you will be able. And I
Starting point is 00:49:47 remember, they kept, I don't know if they told us this when you were there, but they were like, look around. Like, this is a great experience. Like this is, you're not going to get anything like this anywhere else. You're so right. I feel like that's spot on. What have you taken away as your favorite, like, lesson of it all? Well, I actually think that the biggest lesson that I'm learning is right now. It's, you know, how to put something behind you.
Starting point is 00:50:16 You know, I think one of the things that I talked more, okay, first of all, I don't think I talked about being a child actor as much as the interview. and whatnot let on. I spoke much more about my husband than the past life of mine. So it was really wild when it kept coming up because I was like, oh, no, people are going to think this is all I talk about. But there is something to say where it's like the focus in your life should just be on the present and staying focused on your journey and really taking it seriously because you have one life. And you can stay present to do that or even as challenging, like, in being sober, which I don't mind talking about. It's like, you have to stay committed to that.
Starting point is 00:51:00 That's a daily thing. But it's not just enough to not do that. There's so much more that you can commit to yourself to stay present and to keep growing and keep pushing yourself. And for a lot of people, that's really hard, you know? And so in some ways, it's just great to do crazy stuff like this to show us that we can still do hard things, even though we're like moms and, you know, getting older. And it gives you such perspective. Like my favorite lesson out of all of this is that I came back with such a greater appreciation for my life, feeling like I'm really lucky. You know, like I thankfully live in a country where there are people who sacrifice their lives for our freedom. And I can live kind of in a state of bliss that maybe I wouldn't be able.
Starting point is 00:51:53 able to if I had been born in the Middle East or something, you know. So I just, I came home with a greater appreciation for my life and a, and a perspective. Yeah. Look, that was, that's dead on. I mean, I think that you definitely have a deeper appreciation. And the truth is, even when I've, and it's been since May. So there's been stages, like you said, of the grief of like, you know, there's been times when maybe I was too upset. about something. And my husband's like, look, that was like eight days of your life. I did it for four years. There's people who do it for so long. I mean, I remember Q saying that he, Bud's training was a hundred, like a whole year, he said. And so these people aren't getting paid a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:52:41 You know, we got paid very well to be on the show. And, and it's like, you got to be so grateful. You've got to be so grateful for all of it, right? And so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was, totally. I still couldn't believe I did it. I was watching it last night. I was like, what did I do? Why? Why were we so crazy? I don't know. What the heck is wrong with us? Yeah. I was looking at it like at one point and I was just like, what? I don't, and it wasn't even the mud. It might have been like, I think it was actually after I got eliminated and then I saw people flinging each other over each other's bodies. And then I was like, this is a crazy show. Like the fact that Golden was collapsing with Cam on his back, I was like, I was trying to think if I had still been there, who they would have made me carry because they totally would have made the little people. If you or me or Kyla or Denise were still there or Ali, and Ali could have done it because she freaking was a beast and was training like up to, you know, we left like crazy. but I was like, who would they have made me carry? Because I'm flashing back to Jojo Siwa. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:56 Carrying, was it Bodie Miller or... Tom Sandival. She was carrying Tom Sandival. Like, I was flashing back to that and how much respect I gained just in that instant of watching her for her. Like, what? How is she carrying a full grown man on her back, you know? Jojo was a very solidly built person with a lot of... gymnastic experience and yeah and has the kind of strength that like Kayla has so I think that
Starting point is 00:54:27 if if if if I was to if anybody would say hey what advice would you give somebody that wants to be on the show I'd be like if you want to be on the show start training now if you know that you have an agent you're like my agent's going to pitch me for this but because I really want to be on it just start training now don't wait till you hear don't wait till anything like because then at least you know that you've committed from the moment that you decided, you know, people might be watching. And it can't hurt. No. Like the training is not going to hurt you. It's going to help you. You're going to be healthier healthier for it. So why not just train? Yeah. I wish I wish I didn't have
Starting point is 00:55:05 my superstitious tendencies because I stopped working out. I stopped freaking training because I thought I wasn't going to be on the show because I was like, oh, I'm going to test fate and I'm going to keep working out and they're going to say no and I'm going to be working out for no reason. I mean, not really. It's not no reason because I was doing it for myself. Your hypothermia would not have out. It didn't matter if you would have though. No what I mean? Like that's temperature wise. There's yeah, definitely no way that would have been. Well, but it wasn't for me. It wasn't just the hypothermia. It was the in between tasks where we were running everywhere with our packs on our back and I just couldn't handle it. Like I am watching the, what did you call it?
Starting point is 00:55:47 the SEALS hike or the going, where you, where they took your armband? Yeah, I think it was called the SEALs hike. Seals hike. Yeah. So, um, I kept watching that thinking, that is my worst nightmare. Like I, and then carrying people, like, and then throw in the bugs. I don't know. Like the bugs.
Starting point is 00:56:08 I'm done. Done, done. That's it. Done. I would have handed it over. That's so funny. I have a funny story about my husband and when he was, when he was, when he was, He was in. He actually now has a massive fear of spiders, which Alana mentions when she's using
Starting point is 00:56:23 the bathroom. My husband, I think he was in 29 palms where he was stationed, and they were digging in. So they like dig into the sand on an exercise. It was in Camp Pendleton. Okay. He just said Camp Pendleton. He's my fact checker, guys. He dug into the desert and they had to sleep there overnight, but they dug into a tarantula breeding ground, which activated at night. So in the middle of the night, all these Marines, young Marines, start screaming because their body parts are being nibbled by spiders. And they all have to strip naked. Tarantulas nonetheless. Yes. Like not to spiders. Tarrantulas, chomping them. And then they have to strip naked just to get them off and they're screaming. So I was like, there are some funny stories that come out of.
Starting point is 00:57:06 That's not funny. That is not funny. You know, I think like these guys have really dark senses of humor for that reason because they go through it. Oh, well, no. you have to. I mean, and the fact you said that Alana was scared of the spider, I felt like she wasn't. If that spider had been on my butt, I would have been screaming. I would have run out of that toilet without my clothes on.
Starting point is 00:57:30 You know what I mean? She was just like, oh, there was a spider on my butt. I'm like, what? How are you like so calm? She's really calm. She's a really lovely sweet. So calm. I love her.
Starting point is 00:57:45 I love her. I reached out to her after I finished the episode and just said, you are freaking crushing it. She isn't an inspiration to all of the moms out there. She is. Like all of the moms who have young kids, she was freaking carrying both of her babies doing hikes. Like all of us should just be like bowing down to her as moms and being like,
Starting point is 00:58:11 yeah, we're going to be like you or we're going to try because that is such an inspiration. She's just, I mean, I didn't realize how strong she was because when we did the gas thing and she gets very scared. And so there was times when I was like, girl, you're not leaving. You're not leaving. Like, you got to stay. But when it came to the certain types of training things, she really nailed it. And when I saw her going up, I was like, that's why she's able to stay.
Starting point is 00:58:38 She's meant to stay. She's not ready to leave. Yeah. So we'll see. Right. No spoilers. Yeah, no spoilers. Um, she's still there thanks to Kayla.
Starting point is 00:58:47 I feel like Kayla was like, don't you leave me. Yeah, you're not leaving me. Yeah, Kayla, I know Kayla didn't want to be the only girl. She was like, don't leave me with these men. Right. I just lost two girls. I don't need you gone to. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:03 My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.
Starting point is 00:59:25 Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.
Starting point is 00:59:42 So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you.
Starting point is 01:00:12 Shock incarceration, also known as boot camp. are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything.
Starting point is 01:00:46 Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?
Starting point is 01:01:07 I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?
Starting point is 01:01:38 A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes a Interstage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable.
Starting point is 01:02:04 These are the coldest of cold cases, but everything is about to change. Every case that is a cold case that has DNA right now and about. backlog will be identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA. Using new scientific tools, they're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it. He never thought he was going to get caught, and I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha. On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors, and you'll meet the team
Starting point is 01:02:38 behind the scenes at Othrum, the Houston Lab that takes on the most hopeless cases. to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so we have to wrap soon, but I do want to touch on your mirror room interview and how you talked about your mom
Starting point is 01:03:07 and having to let her go as your manager. How are things now between your mom and your family? So my mom has been, obviously, so supportive. My mom is my number one fan. She, like, you know, I'm writing a memoir right now. And there's a lot of things that I'd like to kind of dig into. So I need to be chronologically accurate. She always brings over too much stuff.
Starting point is 01:03:31 She's hoarded all this stuff, these playbills, these pictures. And she brought a box of Kodak images last night for me to, like, go through. and I know that I have to put the kids down and then we're going to start watching this and I had texted her I texted her before I said mom we talk about you in tonight's episode she's like okay
Starting point is 01:03:52 we'll deal with it when I get there right and I'm looking through all the images that I realize you know she's just always been there for me even if we had these hard times as many people who grow up in this business do a lot most people don't talk about it most people don't talk about their stage
Starting point is 01:04:08 parent being you know complex or complicated. I know so many, actually three quarters, if not 95% of stage parents make mistakes in ways that can range from really super abusive to just general mistakes. Like, oh, I financially didn't set you up. I'm so sorry. But then you can't get those years back, right? So I felt like I was very authentic in the mirror room. I felt like I was very respectful of what happened between me and my mom. And she sat there with me and we watched it together. And I looked at her and my husband was nice enough to be taking care of the girls. I said, Mom, what are you thinking right now?
Starting point is 01:04:46 And she was like, yeah, she's like, it's true. That is what happened. That's true. And it's weird. It's almost like my mom was there with me and going through, you know, she sees your little girl going through this crazy experience and you can be rooting for her, but you're really, a piece of you is there. So it was really, it was really touching to see her take accountability to.
Starting point is 01:05:10 and just be like, it's all good. And maybe I'll check in with her. I'll call my mom after this. Okay, Trista, I see what you're doing. You will. Yes, you will. She lives here. She lives here. She lives close to me in Texas. And I take care of her and I love her. And I take her to her surgeries. And, you know, it's like she just wants to be a part of my life. And it was really only one year that I had to take the break. And I think that was the healthiest thing for me. but there's a whole bunch of other stuff you go through after you leave your parents' house, right? Like, you become this adult. I just was a little delayed and ended up just not, not, and he, you know what, Foxy, God bless him, he got it. He was like, this autonomy thing, you wanted it,
Starting point is 01:05:56 and then you didn't know what to do with it. And then I got really emotional. Yeah. I mean, that's really introspective. Like, it's true, I would assume. And so hard. Like, I feel like we hear stories about child actors who just go down really bad paths, you know, just for whatever reason. And thank God, you know, you came out on the other side of it and got to do special forces and really challenge yourself and be crazy. Yes, there's three dimensions to everyone. That is true. And I think that's why I did the show, was just to kind of show people like, hey, like, I may have talked about this in the past.
Starting point is 01:06:41 And this may be how you know me, but, like, I'm a full other person, too. And I still can't believe I did this show. I know. It's so weird. Literally. Okay, I'm going to end on this. But so the almost famous podcast with Ben and Ashley is, you know, we're kind of the, not the sidekick, the spinoff of that. Okay.
Starting point is 01:07:05 And, well, I guess you could call us a sidekick. And they just had Wells Adams, who was on traitors. He's part of Bachelor Nation, and he was on traitors. And they were talking about special forces because Ashley predicted that I was going to be on this season. She said it to me so long before they even asked me. And so they started talking about how Ashley thinks that Ben is going to be asked next. And Wells was like, don't do it. Dude, don't do it.
Starting point is 01:07:34 just do traitors. That show is crazy. And I'm like, no kidding. It really is. What were we thinking? That's so funny. Would you do traitors, Trista? Totally. I would love to do that show. Just honestly, you know, I feel like the camaraderie that there was, and that's kind of part of me is the fombo of missing out on the bonding that you guys did after I left and then what they're still doing. Like I love, I love, like I said in the beginning of this podcast is connection. It just means everything to me. And so for that reason, I would love to do traders. I love to travel.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Why not go live in a castle in Scotland and meet all kinds of fun people that I never would have before? So, yeah, sign me up for traders. Love it. Anyway, would you do it? I don't know about reality. I don't know if it's the best look for me. I don't know. You're done.
Starting point is 01:08:30 I don't know. I'm sure. done you got to give me a few days um you know we'll see i think i really love hosting i will tell you that much i love hosting and i'm pretty sure i want to go back to doing theater and because i think i just want to like re like i want to fall back in love with with with what i'm good at my skills and kind of like the theater is that and it always has been for me so i should do it and maybe that's part of what all this is is just what are you doing after this you know rather than like you know, book another movie, book another whatever, shoot another campaign. It's like, no,
Starting point is 01:09:07 like what meaningful amount of your life? What are you bringing meaning to it? Did that make sense? Yeah. Oh, Jesus. 100%. I feel like that's part of why I went. I wanted to know what my purpose was other than being a mom. Like, I love being a mom. I will continue to be a mom, but I think that's what I went into it for. So I do have to wrap. I'm so sorry. Because we could talk forever and ever and ever. We will. We'll keep texting. Love you so much.
Starting point is 01:09:35 Well, duh. And thank you, Christy, for coming on the Almost Famous OG podcast. I hope everyone will continue to watch special forces on Fox on Wednesday nights. Next week will be, I feel like the finale. And then it will air on Hulu afterwards. And then they'll show our reunion. That's right. We'll be back.
Starting point is 01:09:57 We'll be right. We should do something. You and I should do something on live. like we could be live with each other. That would be kind of fun. Oh, love. I love that. Okay.
Starting point is 01:10:05 Let's do it. Let's text the group chat. We're going to text the group chat. You're hearing it here first. Text the group chat and try to see how many people we could admit into the live while doing it. And we'll host it. Okay. Oh, I love it.
Starting point is 01:10:18 All right. Thanks for coming. All right. Bye, my love. Bye. Bye. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. and now I'm seriously suspicious.
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