The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OG: TV Romance That Stands The Test of Time with Desiree Siegfried

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

Bachelor Nation fell in love with Desiree when she was on Sean Lowe's season, and again when she became The Bachelorette! Like Tirsta, these two ladies are still married to the men they met on the show! The two Bachelorettes discuss the chaos of motherhood, Desiree's latest book, and why social media breaks are essential. Trista wants to know...does Desiree have any advice for new Bachelorette Taylor Frankie Paul???See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Almost Famous Podcast with IHeart Radio. Welcome back, everybody. It's the almost famous OG podcast. It's Trista back with you today. I am so, so excited because today I get to deep dive with someone you all know and love. Me too. She's a friend of mine from, gosh, I guess it's probably 11 years ago since she's, well, maybe 10 because she's been married for almost 11 years. Crazy. We first met her on season 17 of The Bachelor with Sean Lowe. And then again, and she was the star of The Bachelorette for season nine. Please welcome Desiree Sigfried.

All right, beautiful. How are you? How is life? How are the babies? I'm good. I've been so busy. I mean, having the new little guy is like really, I mean, it's changed our world in the best way.

But I'm just, I literally can't believe, like, a year is already almost gone by. Like, I don't know. I just can't even, I just can't. Like, for real. He's almost a year old. yeah he's almost a year old already yeah it's crazy i mean i you know we considered having more but because of the way my body handled pregnancies i was like yeah no we're done and we got a boy and a girl so we're good so how is it like i always heard that having a third makes things

exponentially harder how are you feeling yeah i mean it's just um he's just so busy like i think he's just trying to keep up with his brothers so it's like I just I just have never known a busy like he is like so busy like he has the biggest FOMO I have ever seen in anyone um except maybe his dad Chris has got FOMO so yeah he's dad is super cute yeah it's super cute I mean it is challenging because I'm homeschooling too so I'm I'm trying to just navigate like I'm navigating the best I can you know and he's he's actually a really great baby so he makes it he makes it fun yeah good and the boys are just they just love on him or are they big wrestlers or what are they just I mean they wrestle each other but yeah it's so cute it's so cute I don't think um like anyone

can prepare you for just like watching you're older because we have the age gap you know we have six years from Xander to Noah and it's really fun to see how the older boys like you know he wakes up from his nap and everyone goes rushing in like I'm like this boy is going to like not know what it's like to not have people you know loving on him at all times yeah that's and that's a really good problem to have I love that I love that they are just and because they're home and Like, they truly are there all the time. Yeah. How is the homeschooling going?

Are you enjoying it? Yeah. I mean, to be completely honest, I, like in the beginning, I was like absolutely not. I will never homeschool. Like, oh, I could never. Because I wasn't a stay-at-home mom either. And so I was working on a business. And so I think in your mind when you're doing those things, it's like, oh, my gosh, I could never.

But in hindsight, I realize it's only we just. say that because we don't know what we don't know. And so, yeah, homeschooling has been the biggest blessing I, I have ever, yeah, like the blessing I didn't know I needed. So I recommend it to everybody. I love that. I love that. Yeah, I'm definitely one of those people who was like, I will never and I didn't ever. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely. That's okay. Yeah, there's definitely like you know there's definitely some challenges but you work through it and then it's just so it's so great i like i think my favorite part is just being able to see how my boys like work and operate and the way they think and um i don't know i think that's been the the greatest joy of just being able

to see like what motivates them what they're interested in and i can be a part of that you know um not just secondary but really be involved and help them grow and you know, thrive and whatever they're interested in. Oh, of course. My gosh, that is a huge blessing, just more time. I mean, as I think you know, I have a senior and a junior. And just, yeah, it's like thinking about my kids leaving. I, oh, I wish for those days back again. So I get it. Like, spend as much time. I know. Do you think that they'll stay near you? Do you think that they'll stay in Colorado? I don't know, actually.

Max has 20 schools on his list right now. Oh, wow. That is just because the only thing he really said to me when I asked where he wants to go to start putting schools on his list was he wanted to go somewhere warm. So that's not a lot of insights. So Ryan and I have just added schools onto his list that we think that he would buy.

with and would be good for him. And we're going to go out to California and go see some schools for fall break. So that should be fun. But yeah, it is a crazy journey. Des, buckle up your seatbelt because holy cow. No, no, no. I have friends who have like, you know, the like 11, 12, like getting into like puberty. And I'm just, I am, I just.

I mean, we are. Especially with all boys. I feel like they're already, I feel like they're already stinky, you know, like, I'm like, how in the world can a six-year-old have like, you know, but because they're playing sports and, um, oh, and their shoes, like they're stinky shoes. Oh, the feet. Oh, my God. No. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So we are on the OG podcast, so we do have to take it back all the way to the beginning. So can you? you tell all of our listeners how you got started. Like, did you nominate yourself or did someone else nominate you for Sean season? Did you know who Sean was? All the things. Sure. Yeah. Let's go back into memory lane. Yeah. It's like sometimes I'm like, I forget, you know? I'm like, life just happens. And I'm like, oh, yeah, we met on a show. Yeah. Yeah. So.

Yeah, I was, I was just fresh out of a, well, I was like a year out of a relationship that I was like, you know, and so I just was like open to anything. And I felt ready. I felt way more ready than I had. You know, I was only 26, but I still felt so ready. It's so funny. As you get older, you're like, oh, you think you're just no at all. Was I really? Yeah, totally. But no, I was just in a time of life that where I was like, I just need something. I was super broke in L.A. and I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. I didn't have any family to help support like in L.A. And honestly, I felt lost because I wanted to do design. But I like, I didn't have the money to do any of that. So anyways, I was just ready. It was like the time of life where I was just ready. and I had only watched your wedding and I had only watched like a little bit of another episode. So I obviously knew of The Bachelor of Bachelorette, but I obviously did not know like the depth of it. So I walked in one day and my roommate was watching the show and I was like, huh, you know, like I'm like, that looks, I mean, this is what's going in my head.

I literally was like, that looks easy. Oh, my gosh. Because I had always had guy friends and I was always like, you know, I was always a guy's girl where I could like hang out. I always had like, you know, friends that were brothers, you know. And I'm like hanging out with guys and like traveling the world. Like, great. And maybe there's one I like.

Awesome. I don't know. I was very naive. So I think I just sat on it. a while and I was like there's no way like this is weird and then I just um applied online um I think there's like a question of like why do you want to date online and I mean why do you want to date you know on a show yeah and I just said something kind of like witty or like kind of silly and then they they just called it was perfect timing honestly it was all God it was all God like

it was perfect timing um because I didn't know when they started doing casting and I didn't know when the show started. I didn't know any of that. And it was just perfect timing because like they called me back the next day. I did an interview and I still was so like, yeah, that's not happening. Like down to like going to casting, like the casting weekend, you know, there's like a hundred people. Yeah. Yeah. And I was literally like, yeah, this isn't really going to happen. And even to a point of when they gave me the contract, I was just like, I read like the claws or whatever, or like something where it's like, you could be backup, like, where you're not actually going on. And like, yeah, that's probably, that's probably it. Like, I was working nonstop. I didn't have time to think about going on a show.

And so, yeah, it was really odd, but I, it was all just so surreal because I'm like, I'm very introverted and I'm very reserved. And so my friends were just like, what? Like you're going on what's happening? Yeah. Yeah, but you know what? I think that's, I think that was in my benefit because I didn't need to go on the show. And so I was super relaxed. I was myself.

And I honestly think that really helped not knowing a lot about the show. Yeah, totally. To just. I can see that. Yeah, to just be like, yeah, this is me. And if it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. And yeah, I just really left it.

I honestly left it to my faith. I was like, you know, God, if this is a door that's going to open, like, great. I will trust you in it. And if it doesn't, like, I'm totally fine. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like we have similar stories in that obviously, you know, the show had been going on before you went on and you saw my wedding.

But I went into it, too, not having any clue. Like, I didn't know what I was doing because it was brand new. You were the first. Yeah, because I was just. relaxed and like if I want to you know I want to travel I want to meet somebody maybe and maybe well like it's very all the things that you're saying are like you could just copy paste into my story I feel like I love that I have never I actually never really thought about that yeah you didn't have any like blueprint to follow no oh my gosh it was just you know I wanted to just

go for fun and do something new and travel and meet people and whatever. Yeah. I love it. I love that. Okay. Do you remember getting out of the limo? Kind of. You have three children. So mommy brain is a real struggle. I mean, I have two. Yeah. I mean, I do briefly. Like, I mean, I was the last out of the limo in my limo. Okay. Well, that, okay, so for people who watch the show, you know that the last out of the limo is usually somebody that they think, this is a girl. who's going to stay for a long time. Maybe, yeah. I think so.

The last out of the limo, for sure. First out of the limo, last out of the limo. I do agree with that, yeah. Ryan was the last out of the first limo. Yeah. So maybe there's something to that, too. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

I have to go back. I don't even know when I saw Chris. There was so many. It's so overwhelming. I was just like, oh, my gosh, this is so much. Especially for somebody who, is introverted, like you. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Like, the overwhelm of the cameras and the, in all the things. Yeah, it was, um, I didn't actually realize I was so introverted until the show. Oh, that's really interesting. Yeah, because I mean, since like, you know, since like high school, I was just busy working and I was always around people. And so I never really thought I was introverted. I just didn't know. Um, but the show really helped being on the show, being on the lead part. I realized, like, wow, like, I get overwhelmed super easy when there's just too much going on.

And, like, I can't, like, think for myself. I feel like it's interesting. They just came out with a new personality type. You know, it's introvert and extrovert. And there's something in the middle. I can't remember what they called it. And I was like, you know what? I feel that way, too, because I feel like both, you know, the two of us, whenever we're together in, like, a social environment,

or very social people, but I definitely can, like, get overwhelmed and need, like, just to sit down and be in quiet or watch a show by myself or whatever, do my laundry, whatever. So I feel like there's something to that where you're a great extrovert, but you're also a great introvert. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's more of, like, I can turn it on when I need to. Yeah. But, like, deep down, like, like, after a vet. like I am burnt out and and I think what helped me to I forget when who it was it was like a book but it helped me understand is like you're either introverted or extroverted depending on how you recharge and I think

that's so important because I feel like when people think introverted they're like oh so you're just like little quiet in the corner it's not that it's that I can be social and I can I can you know turn it on but like by the end of the night, I am waxed. I need to go to bed. And then I probably need like a whole 24 hours till I can feel like, oh, okay. Like, I feel good now, you know. Yep. And then flash forward to God giving you three boys. Yeah. Yeah. My, you guys. I know, especially with this baby now because like, you know, like, okay, I mean, my nervous system is wrecked all day long because I'm like. I'm like, you know, I have one who loves, I have one who just loves to talk and, um, rap and singing and then the other one's tapping, tapping and drumming. And then we have the baby.

I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like, I'm like, I need to go hide. You need one of those she sheds. Do you have one on your property? I don't. I need a she shed. I need a shed shed. Yes. A little escape. Get a she says. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so back to Sean's season, were you and Catherine close?

Like, you went and tell what, when did he send you home? Fourth, after hometowns, after my big, you know, my brother and all. Yes, your brother. Oh, my gosh. I totally remember that. The whole world was like, why are you being? like this. I know.

Do you still talk to him? Yeah. Are you guys close? Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say we were ever like close, but yeah, we talk now. Yeah, it's good. Okay, good. Okay, so you were four.

I was four. So I feel like what happened is whoever you were in rooms with, you kind of gravitated to. So I actually didn't even get to talk to Catherine until like week eight. yeah like oh my gosh yeah we didn't even like talk because there were there was like so many groups little clicks and who was your person who was your roommate the other introverts of course no i gravitated to um jacky she was the redhead super cute okay yeah yeah jacky um and then i actually became really close to daniela because she's just like a riot she's just hilarious um yes totally

And so she was friends with Catherine and Lindsay. And so that's how I started to, you know, talk to them. But when I was just too, like, I did not want to deal with any drama or anything. So I, like the first week, I literally, when I saw big groups of girls, you know, crowding around, I didn't go near it. Because I was like, I don't want to get in the gossip and the, like, all this stuff. And I'm just a little bit, especially back then, I was a lot more reserved, a lot more reserved. And so I, you know, I would talk if people ask me a question, but I wasn't the one to just start a conversation, like be out there. And so I, to be honest, I would love to ask the ladies that were on my show, but I feel like so many of them, like, watch the show back and was like, what?

Like, because they probably didn't even really, they didn't really know me, you know, from just. just the house. But that's fine. That's the beauty. Yeah, it's all good. Yeah. It is what it is. Yeah. Okay. So after you were eliminated, how soon after did they start talking to you about The Bachelorette? And do you know if they were talking to anyone else or just you? I don't know who they were talking to. I don't have a clue. I was in hiding because back then, you know, they were like, they hid you. That was honestly, that was actually like, I just, I mean, I, okay. So I got eliminated and there was still, what, you know, two more weeks or so.

Yep. And so I had to stay with a hand. Yeah, it felt like, it felt like an eternity. But I had to stay with a handler and we went from like Airbnb to Airbnb. and I was not in the know like every morning I'm like can I go home like can I please go home like I mean also at this point like I'm broke like I need to go work like yeah so like I felt like this like oh my gosh like I don't know how much longer I'm going to be here I also need to pay my bills and and I didn't know so it was around what the third Airbnb um that they called

me to ask and start talking about if I ever wanted to be the bachelorette. And was it a call from one of the producers or Mike or Flyce or what? Yeah, I think it was from Bennett. So it was from one of the producers, yeah. Just to like see what, just to like see where I was. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep. And at that point, I don't know. I think I don't know. I was cautious, I think at that point. Because like, I was kind of like, you know, you really, you know, you really do get caught up. I wouldn't say I was like, I never got to the love part with John. And so it's all worked out.

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there. No, I was like, you weren't. No. I mean, I lived in L.A. I lived in, like, first I lived in like Orange County and I lived in LA and then I was like I don't know there wasn't like not to there wasn't a problem of meeting like lots of people right and so I didn't I don't know I didn't feel again I put it in God's hands but um I don't know I was skeptical I think because you you see how like you know you have to be super vulnerable and um and I don't know I don't know if I was like, yes, I'm doing it at first. But the more that I thought about it, I was really open to the idea because I'm like, what, how awesome. Like, maybe my husband is in this batch, you know, like maybe they will find the right guy. And, you know, I didn't have roots anywhere. So I was

open to moving anywhere as long as there was like water and the West Coast. But yeah, I don't know. I was open to it. And so once I decided I was, you know, I was all in. But I also didn't want to put too much pressure on meeting my husband in that group. And so I never would say like, my husband's in the group. Not until, like, you know, it's the first night. I'm like, I don't know if you're my husband.

Right. Yes. That's so funny. Yeah. But you say it like that. I love it. Um, so I want to know was, when you saw Chris, was it like a, uh, a love it for sight kind of situation, or when did you really think he could be my one? Yeah, um, he had the best, um, limo entrance entrance.

What was it? Remind me. I can't remember. He just got to show his. personality. He was super nervous, though, so he was a little shaky. Um, but he got down on one knee and then said, like, and then he said, do you might, uh, what did he say? Do you mind if I tie my shoe or something? And then he said, I just wanted to get off on the right foot. Like, and, but it was so him. It's so him. That's so cute. It's so his, like, quirky personality. Um, and so it was good because it made me laugh and you know I was super awkward that like standing there just like with guys coming I'm like I don't know what to say do I say you know I mean I was super awkward a lot of time

but um yeah I mean it's definitely interesting to look back because I'm like wow like not my personality to like why did they choose me but but um it all works out of course they we know why they chose you, I mean, for all of the reasons, but I think it's so funny thinking about it because it really isn't your cup of tea. No, no, but you know, that's what really helped us stay together and like not focus on what would come next, but actually just going to like our back to our life and really growing something that wasn't based off what we can do next. And I think that helped. Yeah, I mean, that's how it was. for me and Ryan, for sure. I feel like that's one of the secrets. And it's really interesting

because you and I and our hubbies and I think Jojo and Jordan were kind of the same in that they disappeared and, you know, I feel like they disappeared and went back to their life and like started businesses and whatever. I wonder, because the three of us, I don't know if there's any other bachelets who are still married. Obviously, Ashley and Rachel got married. And got divorced so I don't know if we're including them but like that's really interesting because I feel like there's something to that like not focusing on you know the the things that are going on in the whirlwind and really just focusing on your relationship yeah I think so I also think what I've noticed too is when both parties are interested in fame or which is not a bad thing to

want from it. But it's like, but I mean, I do see that when both are pursuing that, then you're in competition with each other, you know, and it's like because, you know, if one's going to get mad that the other is getting more attention and I don't know. Yep. You would hope not. Yeah, you're right. But the fact of the matter is that we come off of the show and we haven't known each other for that long. So we don't have like that really strong foundation. of, you know, a friendship or years of knowing each other. So, yeah, I feel like you really got to buckle down and get to know each other. Oh, yeah. Okay. So have you heard because, well, I guess first of all, I should talk about the fact that you just did like a major social media cleanse.

So tell us about that. You were off. Like, are you feeling lighter? And yeah. So I'm not a huge, like, browser or anything but it's still like it there's still so much pull right like even just having it on your phone and just having and if you are posting then there's even more pull because you're like checking and um no i just felt led for the summer to take off social media and so i was only going to do two months and then it turned into four months because i got so good at it um and then i don't know yeah i mean it felt great honestly it was amazing like Chris would be like, you know, stuff happened in the world. And, you know, I'd be so like, what? You know, and just live my life. What do you mean? I'm just going to live in my happy bubble.

And I loved it because I, yeah, I loved it because, you know, I, I am also very empathetic. So, like, even reading people's, like, hard stories, like, I would find myself thinking about that the next day or, like, you're, and I'm like, why am I carrying everybody's, like, stuff? When I need to be focusing on my family, my marriage, myself. And I don't know, it was beautiful. I honestly recommend it to anybody because it just created a new intention. And you can have both. And I think that's the key. You don't have to. A break helps get you started. But you can have a healthy relationship with social media. You know, you just can't let it boss you around and, you know, control your impulses and control your thoughts and control everything.

Reach. Amen. I just wish that I could do it. I know. Because, you know, it is my job. And so, or one of my jobs. And so I, yeah, it's so hard. It's so hard because I get caught up in the scroll.

And then also, you know, with my kid being a senior, like, literally just finished this like I got nominated to post 10 pictures for 10 days or whatever you know of my senior and so it just got me like um on my phone all the time because I'm going down the rabbit hole of looking for pictures and video and you know all the things and with him like graduating soon like we're going to have to like pull up pictures and take picture all the things right so yes I have found myself glued to my phone I really need to disconnect yeah the biggest tip that I like that helped for me um because we we've been doing it for years so it's a habit like you literally pick up your phone and your your son goes like right there and you're like

i didn't i didn't even mean to um so for me because i am my my photos are right next to instagram and so when i felt that impulse i would go to my photos and look at albums from the boys when they were little and oh my gosh it created like this new gratitude for my life in the present because I would look back and just be so moved, you know, by like when they were babies or even just Chris and I, and we look like babies. I'm like, oh my gosh, like it was so worth it, right? Because I spent, say like you're like, I spent 30 minutes scrolling my family, you know, getting filled with like newfound gratitude for my life. Or I could, you know, you know, scroll

Instagram and what does that Yeah, what does that do for my brain? Oh, I don't even want to think about it. I know. Okay, let's get on to a new topic. So, okay, so since you have the social media, like break, cleanse, whatever we were calling it, genius idea,

you might not know about the next bachelorette. Do you know who the next bachelorette is? I did hear, yeah. What's her name? Taylor Taylor Taylor Frankie Paul

I was going to say Taylor Paul Frankie Taylor Taylor Frankie Paul yeah she is from the secret

lives of Mormon wives have you do you know who she is have you watched the show before

yeah I know who she is and the gist I guess of what the whole show was about and like

the sex scandal and I think she got another divorce okay yep i think i have the biography down got it so what are your thoughts i don't know i mean i can see why they need they want someone to revive the show um and to to create that buzz um so i think that's great i think that's wonderful i think she will bring that um i don't know her person like

i don't watch the show so i don't actually know what kind of drama ensues um but i will say we did have a friend that was being pursued to be the bachelor because they were also going to revive the bachelor and so they were eyeing people who might have you know they were going to do a new bachelor and um you know then they were like they called them back like oh like we're not going to pursue that because did you see who we have for bachelorette and he's like yeah and then they're like would you like to be on and you know i think what it comes down to is if there's wife material there. Yep. Because like our friends like, no, absolutely not. But, you know, that's where I'm like, I don't know what kind of pull of guys we're going to see and how serious they're going to

be. Because of course, they all want to date her. Of course. She's beautiful. Yeah, she's gorgeous. Yeah. Beautiful. And she's funny. And, you know, she's, if you are drawn to fame at all, she's famous and, you know, all of these things. So, yeah, I'm very. I'm interested. Ben and I, for Almost Famous, did a podcast when it was announced. And I have the very same, like, same sentiments. Like, I'm just interested to see. I think it was a good idea to pull someone from another show who already has a fan base, who's not from The Bachelor or Bachelorette. But I am really interested to see who the guys are going to be and what the support is going to be. Because a lot of people, I feel like we're like, no, I'm not going to watch because, you know, she's had, she has a history, like, I guess, she was accused of domestic violence. And I think she was in jail. And, you know, she has, she's had a couple, she's had, I think she has three kids maybe with maybe two different. I don't know her bio as well as I probably should.

But regardless, I'm like, she's one of us. Okay, one divorce. She's had one divorce. Oh, one divorce. Okay. And yeah, I don't know her, but I feel like everyone deserves love and everyone deserves forgiveness. And so if she is serious about it and it's going to be entertaining, then why not do it? Like, I'm going to welcome her with open arms to our chat.

I think it's going to be extremely entertaining. And I think that's why it is a good choice because. If that's, you know, it's going to be fair. And she's unapologetic to who she is. Like, she's like, listen, this is me and this is who I'm going to be. And I have a lot of respect for that. Like, like me or not, this is who I am. So whatever.

Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I think that's great. Yeah, I'll be interested to see the guys. I know. Me too. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty. And I'm the host of the on.

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Wow, that's incredible. You guys are awesome. You guys are goals. Thanks, Des. You guys are goals. I love it. Thank you. Not every day, but. So I feel like the advice that I would give is maybe a little irrelevant, but what would you say something that might help her in her journey? Yeah, it is true. I mean, they have to navigate, like, I had to navigate social media when it was like brand new and people were like so excited to just tell you everything that they thought about you. But I feel like, you know, they grew, that sounds so crazy. They grew up in this world of social media. Like, oh, my God, how old am I know.

But, oh, I know, right. Well, you look amazing, by the way. Oh, you're so sweet. You look amazing. You have not changed a bit. Thanks. Yeah, you know, I honestly, it's hard to say. It's so hard to say because I would say, you know, put your, like, put your relationship first.

Like, but for, are you saying, like, advice for the show? because no advice for her Like in her journey on Bachelorette Yeah I think she's got it Because she's been on reality TV I don't think she needs advice on Being on the show I think she's gonna kill it

And be awesome to watch In terms of relationship though Yeah I think that If she's really serious about the guy To truly focus on that Yeah Agreed Yeah great advice

Do you talk to any of the guys From your season obviously besides your husband. Yeah. We used to stay in touch with quite a few. But, you know, life, everyone started having kids and, you know, life happened. But, yeah, I mean, we stayed, Chris stayed in touch with, like, the four that he kind of hung out with. But.

Yeah. No, we, since. No, not really. No, not unless people came up to Seattle when we were in Seattle, then maybe we would see them. Okay. And Chris never watched the show. Is that still true? He watched the show.

he just didn't, he watched the show. Oh, I thought he never watched it. No, he watched it. Yeah, he watched the show. I would watch ahead of time and sometimes I'd be like, I would just warn him, you know, like, Oh, got it. Maybe you shouldn't watch this episode or like watch it, knowing him, he watched it regardless. But I would just say like, you know, this might be one you could sit out.

Got it. Maybe that's what I'm getting wrong is maybe there was an episode that he didn't watch. Probably. Yeah. Okay. So will you or have you shown the boys any of the show? And do they understand that that's where you met? No. So not yet. And so this is, it's funny because this is like we're on the cusp of that where I actually just told Chris like the other week like I think it's time. Like we really need to, you know, sit down with them and talk to them. Because I mean, but you know what? Because we live in a world of social. and podcast and Chris's work is very like sales, so he puts himself out there. I don't think they understand that. They know that people might come up to us, but, you know, mom has a podcast or had a podcast and dad does this. So it doesn't ring a bell that like, oh, it might be something bigger. So we'll see. I don't know. We're going to have to tell us soon. It might be in the works. Do they know, like, I assume that when you're traveling, because I feel like when

we're traveling, that's what we'd ask the most to have pictures taken. Do they, have they started to sense like, well, that's weird. Why would that person who we've never met before want a picture of my mom and dad? I know. I think my oldest has always been so inquisitive and like observing. So he always would just be like looking at them. But again, I don't think he, I think because of their world of YouTube and their world of podcasts, like I think they just don't think anything's weird. Totally. And they don't need to right now.

That's totally fine. I just didn't know if they were kind of clued into it yet or have asked you. No, they haven't. Why is that person taking a picture? Yeah, quite honestly, I'm really surprised that they haven't heard from someone else. But, you know. Well, that's what I was wondering because I feel like they're getting old enough to have friends who are like, hey, my mom was just saying this.

or we saw you on my computer or whatever, you know, whatever. Yeah. Whatever it is. Yeah. I think it's coming. I think it's coming. I think we're going to sit down with them soon so that they know. So it's not like an awkward thing later, but.

Totally. Wait, you're famous. People know who you are. And I hate using the word famous. Yeah. Yeah. But people know who you are. Like that's crazy.

I know, I'm at the, because it's been 13 years now, so yeah, I'm at the place of like, did we go to school together? How do I know you. I know you from somewhere. That is always my go-to. I would love to take a poll on like when someone says that, do they prefer if I just tell them, like, oh, well, did you watch The Bachelorette? or would they prefer, I didn't say anything? And then it's just as, it's the same awkwardness. Like, I don't know.

Maybe you guys could do a poll because. I do kind of half and half. Like, there are times when I'm like, I'm just going to say it because it seems like they're going to be annoyed if they can't figure it out. And then I'm like, other times I'm like, oh, really? I look familiar. Wow. Okay, great. Yeah.

I must look like one of your friends or something. Yeah. I'll be like, I have a very familiar face. Exactly. I have said that so often. Yes, so true. I did have someone, since you were off of social media, maybe you wouldn't have seen this. And not that, like with the algorithm and everything, we've been following each other for years,

but I still don't see everyone's stuff. But I was talking about how I was playing pickleball the other day, and a ball came on to my court with this lady came over to get her ball. And she was like, oh, my gosh, you're the Bachelorette. And I was like, oh, hi, how are you? And she goes, I am so old. I watched your show. And I was like, wait a second.

You're like, are you saying I'm old? I get that you're not. Saying I don't know. Okay. Literally, I was like, well, okay. I mean, I know you're not intending to insult me. Yeah. But, or call me old.

That's not the intention. She was super sweet. But I was kind of like, well, I don't want to be called old. It's the same thing. I'm sure you've gotten this before where people are like, oh, you look so much better than you did on television or whatever. I was just going to say that. I was just going to say, in the beginning, in the beginning right off the show, they'd be like, oh, I don't know if they said so much prettier than, or they said even prettier, but I still was like, Well, that's rude.

Because I'm the same person, whether I'm on, I'm on television or in real life. Like, I'm the same person. So you're literally criticizing me while giving me a compliment at the same time. It's so funny. I don't. I mean, people have great intentions and I feel like I, if I was meeting someone that I not looked up to is not the right word, but that I watched in my living room and felt like I knew them, then I would definitely feel flustered. So I don't hold it against them, but I am like, it makes me think more about what I say to people. Right.

I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So what are you going to do for Noah's birthday? Any plans? No plans. I wanted to just keep a small family, a smash cake.

And then the boys are like, we need balloons and friends over. And can we have like a bounce house? And, like, oh my gosh, that's like, that's your birthday. That's not a baby's birthday. Yes, right. He won't remember it. He's one. Yeah.

That's cute. Okay. Last thing before I let you go, please tell us about your book. Faith on that. Yeah. Well, I wrote two. So the first one was in 20. Okay, tell us about both.

On 22. 20, I don't even know when. And that was Road to Roses. And so that's more of a biography of, like how I got in the show, my feelings towards that. Actually, I feel like it like walks through my whole entire dating history, which is quite interesting, I guess. But it's funny because that was what, four years ago I wrote it. And I'm like, so much has already changed in like what you would you know, put out there. But yeah, it's my journey to motherhood. And so that's much more

personal about me. And then I wrote Faith Unlocked, which is to help people walk. through their faith journey. Yeah, whether they're just getting started or seasoned believer, just to get closer. Amazing. Yeah. Does it come with like a workbook? I have a workbook that you can download on my website to go with it. So it's actually like, yeah, I love it.

I really love like the inner healing of stuff. So it's like really healing heart wounds, brokenness, you know, all that stuff. So that's great. Congratulations. Thank you. That's exciting. And are you designing it all anymore? No, I laid that down to do homeschool.

And so it was perfect timing, though. Like, I was ready by that point. And so, yeah, it's so crazy. Eventually, I think, you know, later in life, I still plan to design or have a little, like, bridal boutique. I think I would love that. Oh, totally. I mean, girl, I, with my kids almost gone, it's like you question what you're going to do. after they're gone.

And that's definitely something that I'm thinking about. So, gosh, if you have that in your back pocket and you've already done it, that'd be perfect. Yeah. So that'll be exciting when that time comes. Amazing. In like 20 years. Yeah, exactly. Almost 20 years.

It'll go by like that. Don't blink. Okay. It is always so much fun catching up and getting to see your beautiful face. Give Chris a hug for me. and hopefully I'll get to see you sometime soon. Yeah, hopefully someone will get married or something. Give us a reason to...

Right. Give us a reason to all get together again. That would be so great. Okay, love you, too. All right. Thank you, Doug. We're coming on the Almost Famous OG podcast. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the on-purpose podcast.

Recently, I had a conversation with the one and only, Madonna. When I was broke and I had no friends, nowhere to live, I was held up at gunpoint, I was robbed. Always horrendous things happened to me. I had such an unhappy childhood that whatever happened to me in New York is better than what my life was, so I'm not going back. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The murder of an 18-year-old girl in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. America, y'all better wake the hell up.

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