The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OG: Vacation Mode with Andi Dorfman Hart

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

Our Bachelor Nation OG Trista Sutter is catching up with season 10 Bachelorette Andi Dorfman Hart! Andi reveals that she signed up for the show for the “right reasons”, and shares some of the secrets that hit the cutting room floor. We hear her honest reaction to Taylor Frankie Paul joining the Bachelorette club, and she spills  what really happened during her time with Juan Pablo, even before the infamous walk out. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. This is the Almost Famous Podcast with IHartRadio. Welcome back. Hi, it's Trista at the Almost Famous OGs podcast. I'm so excited about today. She's one of the favorite bachelorette's of all time and also one of mine. She's pretty amazing. She's a former assistant district attorney, a two-time New York

Times best-selling author. And she's now a proud wife and mom to a beautiful baby girl. We met her on Juan Poplo's season of The Bachelor and then she became our bachelorette. It's Andy Dorfman Hart and I'm so excited to welcome her to the podcast. Okay. I mean, seriously, it really has been way too long. I think the last time we saw each other in person was the reunion. Which they need more of. I totally, totally agree. Like, I have been pushing for that for so long to have like a just a giant reunion of everyone. But yeah, I totally agree. It was so much fun.

Because I haven't met like half the newer girls. I mean, right. And, you know, they're all on our on our Betty group chat. But, you know, like not everyone responds to messages. is you know we see but it's also just like so funny because like I've never met half these people and I'm like texting and like wishing them the best of luck and I'm like I'm actually genuine about it but it sounds so creepy because I've never met them totally that's so true oh my gosh yes and children are growing up we're going to get into all things Harper but um

but first I want to go back to and just you know life in general um I want to go back to The Bachelor. So where it all began, because of course, this is the OG podcast, and we like to, you know, go back to all the memories. So with The Bachelor, how did you go on the show? Were you nominated? Did you nominate yourself? How did all of that go down? I was actually working. I was a DA at the time. So I was working as a prosecutor for the government and like obviously on government salary. And my girlfriend's like there's a free like casting call with free wine and beer. Like you should go. And I was like, like, like free drinks, I'm in. I literally went for the free drinks, Trista. I'm not even kidding. And it was like at this great bar where I lived. So I was in like a skirt suit and I pulled up and everybody was in like bandaged dresses, like super cute, high heels. And I was like, oh my God. I was in a suit, literally. That is why you got cast because you know they look for professional people. I know. I wouldn't come in like that. Yes. No, I know. I know. And the best part of it is I didn't even get free drinks because as soon as I got there, this girl was like, oh, come with me.

And we started talking. And then she, like, gave me a packet, sent me out the back door. And so the irony of it all is like, I literally didn't get the free drinks. Damn it all. Well, you got some later. I got a lot more later. Yeah, the show is definitely not one to keep away free drinks when you're on the show. So, yeah, you got some later. Yeah. It's true. Like, they. wanted people to be drinking a lot and then that all stopped um okay so when you met juan pablo what were your first thoughts i knew it was going to be him because they had already told us um and i hadn't like watched me the seasons really but obviously back then i feel like it was everywhere so you knew what was going on and i just remember i was like he's hot he's an athlete he was very good

looking i didn't know anything about him but i was like i'm going to go i'm young this is a trip he's hot like Why not? Yeah. Totally, right? That, I mean, that's really good luck game. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and the whole athlete thing.

I mean, I know you've got a thing for athletes. We've talked about that before. Yeah. Married. Did I do? Okay. So when, you know, the show is going, we all know the history. But when did you know that he was not the one for you?

I feel like, okay, it's kind of weird to think back to this. But I remember being like, oh, I just need to see him meet my family. Oh, I just need to see like go on a one-on-one date. And then like each time I kept doing that, I was like, I just need to see a little bit more, a little bit more. So it was in hindsight, he was never the guy for me. But A, I was having like a lot of fun. I met good girls. We had great dates.

So there was just like something kind of keeping me in it the whole time until I think like towards the end I was very homesick and I was like all right I'm done it's not for me like there is no next thing to look for I had kind of you know explored it all and then I just was like it's not for me but there were just little things that kept me going which is weird in hindsight but yeah do you feel like you would have done the whole um oh maybe I'll I just need one more thing I just need one more thing in real life probably not or yeah I was going to say because because it's a television show, you probably felt like, oh, well, this is supposed to work out and maybe I'll just, you know, I don't know. Is that how you felt? Yeah. And also, you're just like in this blur.

Like back then, it wasn't about social media. It wasn't about necessarily the TV. Like, we were traveling to crazy cool places. You were doing these like amazing dates. So I think you were just in like vacation mode. And no one wants to get out of vacation mode, you know? No, of course not. And did you have your, job on hold, like where you want to leave a V absence? Yeah, I told them I'd be back in like two weeks. I was like, I'm going to go do this. I thought they would never let me do it. And it turned out my boss is like, oh my God, you have to do this. It's like so fun. You're young. Go do it. And I literally told them I'd be back in a couple weeks. And I remember it was like eight or nine

weeks later. And I emailed them and I was like so. Oopsies. Yeah, but they had like been falling along on like the blogs and stuff. I feel like everyone knew where we were. at that time and we didn't realize like there were all the like um like the blogs that were kind of snooping on it and spoiling it so they like reality steve yes yeah yes that's so big it's huge when we were doing it he is still he's still out there i haven't talked to him in forever but i know that he i think he has a podcast now um but yeah he's still he's still dialed in i don't know who his contact was or is but that's crazy that he's he got scoose I mean, he always had scoop.

Everyone knew it. My mom knew I was the whole time based on him. That's hysterical. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I guess they let everything go to the waist diet on your season. Okay, so how soon after The Bachelor did they contact you to be the Bachelorette? I don't remember. I remember I went back to work for at least a couple months because people would like bring me a rose.

It would be like funny. And I'm like, okay. It aired, so it was definitely airing, and it probably, I take that back. They told me at Women, Tell All. Okay. Yeah. They asked you on stage? No, not on stage, but they had asked me at Women's Tell All.

And I think I'd signed the contract. And back then there were rumors that like multiple people signed contracts. So it still wasn't like solidified for me. Honestly, it wasn't until the very first night that I was like, all right, I'm actually the Bachelorette. Well, I think all of us feel that way. Yeah. I feel like until you get there, or at least you should, because I feel like after being in this business for almost 25 years, like you never believe until you're actually there. You know, like things can fall through the cracks and it cannot happen. So don't bank on it. So that's so true. But that's interesting about the contract. So being a lawyer, you signed the contract that night without looking over it. no i had we had like negotiated for something i don't remember i mean this is like 11 oh okay but there was a

contract in like maybe i'd already seen it and then i signed it at women tell all i just remember at women tell all i felt like there was extra protection on me and i feel like you'd get that like i didn't realize it at the time but they knew i was going to be the bachelor and i just looking back there were a lot of like softball questions it was definitely like you know they did my hair and makeup and they weren't doing everyone's hair and makeup there were are little things that I was like, okay, this is a different level of kind of protection here. Totally. Yes, for sure. You can tell when you're in that position. Were you excited about it? Like, how did you feel about it? Yeah. Did you feel like it could happen that you would meet someone?

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think I was just like young enough. You know, I think I was what, 27, 28. and like it had historically worked out a lot before me, you know, like there was a pretty good track record on all of it. So for sure, I was like, yeah, I'm going to do this. I thought 100% I was going to find my husband. I was like, this is going to be the way I find it of all people, you know, like a prosecutor is going to find love on reality TV. Right.

So I was like 100% sure. Yes, for sure. That's how I felt. And I don't know if you felt this way, but I felt like the producers knew me. at this point. And they were going to have a way better shot of finding someone for me than I was just hanging out in Miami, you know? Also, I felt like everyone was kind of on the same page. At least you thought that everyone wanted to, you know, get married and find love there. I felt like that with my guys at least. I mean, most of them, I'd say probably 95% of them,

like truly wanted like a relationship. So it was different from just like dating and not knowing what someone wanted. Totally. Yeah, you're so right. I, I love that. Okay. So can you believe that we're actually going to be called the Bachelorette for the rest of our lives? Like for the rest of our lives, you are the Bachelorette. Is that a label that you like or that you eventually think that you're going to retire? No. I mean, here's the thing. It is what it is. Like it is part of my life. And there have been times where I've been like, oh gosh, like not embarrassed. But when people come up to you sometimes, I feel like around friends or something like, oh my God. I'm like, all right. You know. But. But. all in all, like it was the coolest experience of my life. And it is something that really did change my life. And in a lot of ways, has defined my life. And I've kind of just accepted that. In the beginning, it was harder to accept that. And now I look back at like the crazy perks and the cool people I met. And like, it really is a wild thing that we did. Wild. Like, I can't even imagine for you being the first because it's wild for me being like, I think I was the 10th, you know.

Were you? That's what I was going to, I was going to ask that. I don't know. I always forget the order. I mean, please, it's like if you have 20, 20 children, you can't remember their ages. So, so yes, no, I think it is crazy. And I'm actually really proud of it. You know, I love, I love being one of a very small group of people who have all experienced this very unique. experience and you know it's all it's different for all of us all of our all of our paths were different but we all definitely know what each other at the core you know went through and experienced and it is such a such a cool thing such a blessing because for me too it obviously changed my life and in incredible ways my kids would not be alive if I have done it and I feel like you probably wouldn't have found your family this way. It all kind of works out in certain ways. I wouldn't have been in New York.

I wouldn't have been in California. I wouldn't have met my husband all. I was in California. So, yeah, it's just like I kind of just learned that it's a cool part of my life. And there are some things where I'm like, oh, gosh, I wish, you know, that wasn't on national television. But for the most part, like, I do have an overall really good feeling about it, especially as I've gotten older.

Yeah. Right. I mean, maybe that's just because we're, we're wiser as we get older. Just a little more mature. Okay, do you still keep up with the show? No. I mean, honestly, like, I never really kept up with the show. Now, especially I watch it.

They're so young. I can't. And I like reality TV show. I'm just like, I'm more of like a real house size or like. Yes. I don't know. I just never really kept up with the show. And especially after I did it,

No way. I tried to watch like a couple episodes and I was in such like producer mode that I couldn't enjoy it. That's so interesting that you say that. When you say producer mode, explain that to the people who are listening. So you start to realize like who gets good edits, who's like maybe last out of the limo. That was always like a prime realist. They would say you can tell you can just, I don't know, once you've done it, you kind of know the rope. So you can. can tell what's manufactured, which very little was, that was like probably the number one question I used to get was how much of it is scripted. And I'd say none of it back then at least, like none of it. But there are situations that you get put into, you know. And so I just noticed that as like a

someone who has already done it. And I'd be like, oh, there's a season. He's last or, you know, that's the good at it. Right. I need to just like turn my brain off to enjoy it. And I just could not turn my brain off once it was on. That makes so much chance. I haven't ever thought about it like that, but you're so right. Was social media a thing when you were on the show? You know, not really. I remember when I went on The Bachelor, they made us go on private for Instagram.

And I was like, okay, I had like 20 followers probably. Like back then you literally only followed like people you knew, like your family. Right. And then after I got off, it did, it started to get bigger and bigger, not. in the same way that like some people after me did. Like I feel like Chris Sewell's season was right after mine. He was the bachelor. And I feel like those girls like blew up with social media. Yes. Caitlin. Yeah. And like Ashley I. Ashley. No, Lauren was on. Yeah. I just feel like that crew that. Becca. Yes. Yes. Yep. That's been kind of started to blow up the social media.

Yeah. That's so true. I yeah obviously I didn't have any social media to deal with did you feel like you were when people would reach out on social media after you were done with the show because I'm sure they did even though you were saying like I only had 20 followers do you feel like everyone was positive or were there some trolls in there being mean definitely not oh no I feel like social media is like I don't know the place for people they just vent and be crazy. Like, it was definitely crazy at the time. We had a lot of blogs at the time. Like, I remember, I don't know if it was like Reddit or like some other like the forums and stuff. Those were where you really had to stay off. People were still very much in the forums. Got it. Less I feel like in like direct messaging and stuff. Yeah, totally. Yes, true. Twitter was big actually. Oh my God. It's all coming back to me. It is. Oh, yes. The mommy brain is has been blocking it.

Twitter was big. Yes, the live tweeting. I do remember doing that and obviously being a huge fan of yours. Yeah. People were positive and very negative. Yes. Yeah, I do remember. Well, this was on her season, but Caitlin got like death threats and, you know, people were really mean.

and I think they still are. Yeah. Uh-huh. For sure. Maybe even more so. So do you watch the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, since you're a housewife fan? We watched the first season. And I will say, I didn't watch the second season because towards the end of the first, they were like, I felt like they were so mean to each other.

The girls. Yeah. I don't know if you got that vibe, but it was like. I didn't watch. I feel like I need to watch before Bachelorette. I like the girl that's the Bachelorette, though. She's the star of the show for sure. She's going to be great.

Like, she was definitely, she wasn't one of the mean girls. But there were a lot of, it was just kind of like catty. I was like, I don't feel like watching this. It's not my. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's bringing me down. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over.

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What advice do you have for Taylor? Oh, boy. I mean, I always say to try and enjoy it as much as you can. It does go so fast. And I know that's cliche. Everyone says that. But it really does. And you start to overthink every little thing

instead of just trying to have fun and enjoy it. Right? Yes. You're so right. I feel like that's just great life advice too. And also trying not to worry about what other people think, which is way easier said than done. But that's also life.

Like people are going to have opinions, whether you are say everything perfectly and make every good intention possible, somebody's going to have a bad thought or bad judgment about it. You know, judgment about it. And you just, you cannot live for those people. True story. How do you deal with those kind of people these days?

Because I'm sure you don't get a lot of that now. I feel like it's probably similar to me. Yeah. But there are people who, like, this homecoming um you know i just posted about blakesley and max going to homecoming and of course the the people come out of the woodwork like um one lady was like that would be an immediate no for my daughter to wear that short of a dress and i'm like do you understand that in the world that we live in today you can't find a long dress like period and and like you never wore a short skirt like

When I was growing up, they were tight and short. So at least she had a bubble. Yeah, exactly. We invented the bandage dresses, lady. So anyway, I feel like there is negativity out there. How do you deal with that? Yeah, I think in the mommy world, I've learned in the mom world, there are like, what moms will say to you is like mind blowing to me as fellow moms.

Like, I'm just, I've never been the type of person that would say anything to anyone anyways like that. So we're already kind of, I'm already a little shocked. But then what moms will say to other moms is mind blowing to me. And honestly, like, I have not figured out how to not care. If I'm being totally honest, like, there's no way I can tell you that like comments don't bother me. Some of them are so ridiculous. And I will at times, like, scroll back and look. And I'm like, this person's just off their rocker. Like, they've just been ridiculous from the start. And sometimes that makes me feel better. And a lot of times, I just have to completely try and ignore it. And I'm like, and try and just, like, read the positives.

But I haven't figured out how to completely not be bothered by the negative comments. I mean, thank you for the honesty because I agree. I don't know. Yeah, same. Same. I'm sensitive. And if someone says something nasty, it's hard to not take that personally. Because even though they don't know you, it still hurts.

Yeah. No one wants to hear negative stuff. Like, no one wants to read that about them. whether it's right or wrong. Right. And especially about something that you care so deeply about, like being a mom and for them to come at you for something that they think you're doing wrong when you're just trying to do your best.

That's all all of us are trying to do is do our best. I know. I do think most negative comments are coming from like a place of unhappiness or, you know, jealousy is a weird word to use, but jealousy or just people that are unhappy. And so sometimes I do try and just like take a breath and like, all right, they're going through something that has nothing to do with me. And so instead of trying to personally, it's just like this is, you know, their outlet, just try and brush it off. Yeah, it's not easy. Yeah, I try to ignore and then block. I love the block button lately. I love a block. I'm just like, do, do, bye, bye, see ya. Peace out. I love a delete comment too. Delete. And they're like, oh, you're deleting comments. Yeah, it's my wall. Of course I'm deleting comments. What do you mean? I should leave it up there to go back.

and reread the negative so comment you think I should leave that up for I'm confused yeah I know this is my page so I'm going to handle my page how I want to handle my page so if you have a problem bye bye see you later yeah delete and walk I love them yes same okay so Nick vile was your runner up have you followed his post show success his pod or anything yeah yeah I mean like obviously killing it with the podcast I've run into him a little bit in L.A. like with his wife. But yeah, I mean, I follow from like a far. Yeah, yeah.

And you guys don't stay in touch. Great for him. Yeah, it's awesome, actually. Wait, he's hosting a new Netflix dating show. What? Have you heard about this? No. I haven't either.

What is it? I don't know. A new Netflix dating show coming out next year. Oh, boy. That's exciting. I know, right? I feel like I love to cheer for the people from the show because we are this, like, crazy dysfunctional family. And, you know, even if we don't, like, agree on things or whatever.

Also the hard work. Like, respect the hard work. You know, he hasn't gotten there without. Totally. You are so right. But, like, respect the hard work, period. Agreed. Okay, it's called Age of Attraction.

And it's with his wife. Natalie set to a premiere in 2006. Thank you to my producer, Jackie. Yeah, that's, I mean, there's so many dating shows out now. Like Caitlin and Colton. And then, of course, like all the love is blinds

and all of that. I'm watching that right now, actually. Are you? Blake's obsessed. She was obsessed. I haven't watched that either, but yeah, maybe I need to add it to my list. It's pretty good.

They are doing a Denver version, I think that's what now, actually. It is? Is it love is blind or Love Island? Which is the one? Love is blind would be Denver. Love Island is like, oh, he's in Fiji. That's a great show, too.

That's a mess. It's a mess. It's so funny, though. That's the one show Harper can't go on. She's, that's the one. So you're saying that you would allow her to go on Bachelorette? Pretty much anything but Love Island. I mean, I love Love Island, but like there's not a lot of

clothing more in there at all. Like, you don't, you go into it, you know, you don't like, yeah, it's not the same. You're going to have a hard time with homecoming dresses. I'm like not that cool in the mom. No, this is like string bikinis and like they make out with everybody. Like, yeah, they're very free. Good for them. No judgment.

But I could not handle it. I can't. Yeah. As a mom, that would be hard to watch. Yeah. Yeah, we're not there yet. Mm-mm. Okay.

So you fell in. love on the show. And then you settled back into reality with Josh Murray and ended your engagement. I'm sure you haven't, but I have to ask, have you talked to him? No, no. I'm pretty much like once it's done, it's done, especially like a dumpster fire. Like, I'm good. Leave it to burn, you know. But also like, yeah, for the most part, when I'm done, I'm done, just in general. Well, yeah. And you were looking for more out of life. Like you wanted to find your man. And thank God, if you had, like, not been done, then maybe you wouldn't have found him because you would have been still caught up in the whole Josh thing. So, yeah.

It's right. So long ago. And, like, when people bring it up, I'm like, gosh, I almost like, not forget, but I've had so much, like, more, you know, personal, longer intense relationships since then that, like, most people don't know about because I always kind of kept it private. But I've had such more, like, significant relationships since then that I kind of, like, forget, like, oh, yeah, I was engaged. It doesn't feel that way. It feels just, like, so long ago, like, that I was basically dating in high school.

Like, that's how it feels like. It feels like a high school boyfriend. Yeah, like another lifetime. Yeah. Completely. Yeah. I know. I totally, totally understand that.

Do you feel like you were accurately portrayed on the show? Yeah. I mean, I always felt back then that, like, I just didn't think they portrayed everyone as well-rounded as we were. Because by the way, to be elite, especially as a female, like, we were certain types of people. Like, that was not easy to carry a show like that. And I know there was production, but like every single one of us had a lot going on for ourselves and, like, was able to carry ourselves and carry 25 men at a time, quite frankly. And so I just kind of always felt like they never, like, showed the full picture of us, especially as the women leads.

That's so interesting. You're right. But what they showed, I said and did. You know, that part, I was never bothered by that kind of stuff. I just always felt like they were kind of missing a lot. Or like they could have, you know, show more about us. Oh, yeah. I feel like that's something that people don't understand is so much ends up on the

cutting room floor. And it's all about the storyline that they want to portray that, you know, whatever ends up on the show has to be in the show for the storyline to play out, you know. Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, so flash forward to we started the group chat. And I don't remember when we even started it. Was it like, was it before COVID because we did that whole video?

Yeah. I love to doing that. I know. We need to do another one, although it would take like 20 minutes to watch it. That was, we did do that during COVID. Oh, my gosh. I think that's my first real ever, by the way. I think it might have been mine too.

I think you're right. That's so cute. I want to go back to my Instagram and see that's done. I love it. Okay, so we're in this group chat. Yeah. And obviously there's, you know, at least one person who has left. And we haven't added Taylor Frankie Paul to it yet, but she will be joining. Yeah. Do we just have to have someone get her number? So what if we sent a text? literally right now to the chat, what would your bet be, like, we'll say it when I count down one, two, three, who would be the first person to respond? Oh, wait. You have, you already have an idea? Oh, well, yeah, because it's obvious, but you'll come up with it just in thinking about it for a second. Because she's always super supportive and, yeah, you'll, you'll, just think.

Okay. do do do do do do do do do you do you like about to look okay well then i'll just tell you um i would bet that diana would write back right away i was going to say diana's one i feel like katelyn writes back a lot yeah diana is just so supportive and sweet and um i feel like you know she's kind of like me i try to respond quickly to text because if i don't then i forget yeah so so that's why i'm so on top of text messages or try to be you know i'm like if i don't that i'm gonna i'm just gonna forget now i like want to look back in it yeah right let's see what the last so i was talking to my producer about that she's like do you guys still have the chat and i said for sure we do but

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It also kind of keeps me connected because I feel like we all have such different lives and live in different places and the further out from the show, the less involved I tend to be so it's nice to still like have that part for me yeah no i please i'm 53 in a couple weeks so i am definitely not in the same like life space as most of most of the people in the new podcast hell in heaven two young americans move to the cost oregon jungle to start But one will end up dead. The other tried for murder. Not once.

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did you, you decided to freeze your eggs. Was this before you met Blaine or after? Yeah, way before. Actually, Caitlin Bristow and I did it together because we did it with Whitney Dishoff in Chicago. go. So I was 29 when I did it. So, and I was very single at the time. So I had no idea. Yeah. I did it 29, completely single, like no attachments to anything with anyone. So why did you make that decision? I don't know. I think like Whitney and I had talked about it and she was like,

honestly, it's the best thing I ever did. And I feel like I was just at a time my life where I'm like, I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know. I was living in New York, which, you know, is not super conducive to like getting married younger. And I just did it. I was like, I'm just going to do this for me. I don't know. Yeah. I think it's so the just the fact that there's technology out there that that you can freeze your eggs is so amazing. I didn't really like, I really didn't overthink it much. I just was like, yep, I'm going to do it. And then, you know, eight weeks later, basically I had done it and it was done. I don't really think about it anymore, you know, until I need to. But I think subconsciously, it definitely stuck with me for a while. I think that's why I waited so long,

you know, to A, find someone, but also be to have kids. What do you mean? What do you mean? You feel like it? The pressure was off of me a lot because I had those flags and I feel like I didn't think about it all the time, but subconsciously, I do feel like that pressure had been relieved. And so I wasn't out there necessarily dating just to like have kids or, you know, felt that like clock. I never felt the biological clock ever. You know, that. that's so interesting because I feel like that happens with you hear all the time about people who have problems getting pregnant and then they adopt and then they get pregnant naturally because it you know the stress isn't there anymore and stress just works you know bad bad vibes

on your system and even still like I had Harper at 37 years old you know like but I still didn't feel that pressure and I still don't now because I'm like okay well you know I have these eggs like to use at some point. Yeah. Did you, and you had Harper naturally. Yeah. Did you guys,

were you planning on? Were you working towards having a baby? Like you were actively trying? Yeah. Yeah, we were. Okay. Okay. You were.

And it happened naturally. Was it like a long process for you? I mean, it was about, I feel like we started trying, like maybe, let's say September. and it happened April.

So it wasn't super long, but it wasn't like, you know, honeymoon. Well, yeah. I mean, gosh, it took me two years. So it's not, it's, it's work. It's hard. It really is. It's a whole roller coaster of emotions. It's like its own podcast of like the emotions of trying to conceive is crazy.

What kind of advice would you give to people out there listening who, who are? are thinking about freezing their eggs. Oh, I'd say just do it. Don't overthink it. It was literally like, you know, four to eight weeks of your life. And I will say as long as cost isn't associated with it, which that is a huge burden with the cost. So I understand, like, if you need to think about it from that perspective.

But if cost isn't an issue, it's a no-brainer. Okay. Love that. And Whitney, actually, I think she was still doing it. Yeah. I think she just left. But, yeah, she's in Chicago. I talked to her recently.

you did I was in Mexico with her yeah I was like tell me the facts of like you know I'm not there yet but I would love to just know like what this looks like at some point because I am getting older so yeah I didn't just I've talked to her recently about it it's cool so you're okay so are you considering using one of those eggs are you guys talking about we're I think we're just now going to start like trying a little we need to get through a little bit with Harper but now it's kind of a good time so we're we'll see like how long it takes you know i don't i don't know we'll see if it's starting to take a long time like again i have that there so yes yes and you still have eggs yeah oh yeah on ice yeah yes oh that's on ice that's so funny to say so how long does the process take if you like happen to take one of your eggs off of off ice how long does that process take to they just implant it like how what is that process like i mean they saw it well mine's an egg so not an embryos it's not fertilized so they thought they inseminate it then they would do like genetic testing for it and then i think they put it in you you know based on an ovulation schedule i don't know completely

but that's the gist of it okay yeah that makes sense yeah i mean that's so cool i love that you have science is so cool speaking science i was just thinking was something something that I wanted to do in my career. Do you ever think about law? Like, have you ever thought that you miss law and that you would go back to it? Yeah, I'm actually, I'm doing guardian at lightum right now. So, like, I am in. What's it called? It's called. It's called guardian at lightum. So it's like part of CASA, like court appointed special advocates. So I represent like kids in foster care that are going through court proceedings for like placements. So there is a little legality to that. But I will say, like, you sit in court for a very long time, and that definitely makes me not miss being a lawyer.

You're like, all right, it's a lot of hours. It's a lot of time. So this has been a nice way for me to kind of dip my feet back into it without fully, like, being a lawyer. Because I've got a lot of other things I want to do. Yeah, right. And parenting is hard. Yeah, you can't work. No, I can't imagine.

No, no, unless you did, like, consulting or. or something, but do you have to go back to get your, your license or whatever? Yeah, so it depends on your state. So I'm licensed in Georgia. Like, I keep it inactive status. So I'll always have that. I pay like, you know, my $100 a year because I don't care. I'm always going to keep that.

I earned it. But, like, I would have to take the bar in South Carolina to go into court and practice. There's little loopholes, like general counsel, which is kind of boring, blah, blah, but for the most part, yeah, I would have to retake the bar. Okay, got it. Yeah, that's for physical therapy for me. I just love mine. I'm good. I didn't pay mine. I was like, okay, I'm done. I don't think I'm going back. And I don't remember anything that I learned anyway. So there's that. Okay, so something you've opened up a lot about is pregnancy and how much there's so much information about pregnancy, but not really about postpartum. How was your postpartum experience? I mean, dark. Really? Blaine and I laugh now because like the first four or five months of postpartum are like, it's just dark.

You're just like in a whole, you know, physically, mentally, emotionally, all of it. And yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's hard to explain. It's hard. Yeah. I feel like you're right. Like they need to focus on that because women need support in that. in that. I mean, it's crazy also from a science perspective to think about, like, you created a human being and not like, yeah, just because of the man, like, your hormones created a human

being. And so for all of that to just like release from your body, like, that's not a normal process, you know, like the buildup of that. You don't just like, you're not just like, oh, the baby's out. I'm back to normal. It's not how it right. But sometimes Instagram will fool you into thinking that is how it works. Oh, completely. I mean, I didn't have really postpartum depression to speak of i i was pretty lucky in that but it is really hard to like you know you you you mourn your your body and you do have all this huge hormone fluctuation i mean please when you get to menopause we'll talk again because oh my gosh the menopause hormones are no joke right and something's going on inside like it makes sense and

a certain way. I think for me, I also wasn't like depressed, but I had a tough time physically because I was so fit and I've always been very fit and I kind of stayed exercising. I mean, I played tennis like the day Harper was born, like the day I went to the hospital. And I didn't bounce back like I thought I would. And like I see online a lot. Obviously I'm older, but still like, yeah, my body just didn't bounce back the way I thought it would. So physically it was tough for me. But I had a good friend that was like, listen, everyone goes through. postpartum in some capacity, whether it's physically, whether it's mentally, whether it's, you know, their child, emotionally, whatever. It's like you don't always see it, but everyone experiences

some version of postpartum. So mine was definitely like physical, I would say. Oh, that makes total sense. You were so fit. But you are. You look amazing. Thanks. I mean, I've been, you know, it's been work. More work than I thought it was going to be. Yeah. And you gained how much weight with I gained like 50 pounds, but I lost like 15 out of the hospital, you know, like a lot of water weight. And then I just like sat at like in the 160s for months, no matter what I did. I just like was not moving. Do you think it was hormonal? You know, yeah, a little bit.

I had like my lipid panels and everything, you know, tested. I think it's a little. I also just think your body just does what it does sometimes. Like we all try to over analyze it. And it's like whether it was metabolism, whether it's water weight, like, I don't know. My body just was doing what it was doing. So you feel like you're back on track. You're good.

Yeah. Yeah. Getting there, you know, probably get to my goal wait and get pregnant again. But that's how it works. Everyone's like, just wait. I mean, right? I actually, are you nursing? No, I didn't nurse at all.

Okay. No. Because I, once I stopped nursing, like, I feel like probably that day I got pregnant. Really? With Blake's, like, yeah. It happened like clockwork, like the second that I stopped. So, but obviously if you're not nurse, if you haven't been nursing, then it wouldn't change anything.

Nursing wasn't for me. No. And it's not for everybody. And you don't, you do not need to even preface that. You know what I mean? Like it is, it is what it is. Some people love it. I loved it.

Some people, it doesn't work for them. And that's okay. Thank God we have like options that you can use, you know. Yeah. I was actually seeing it. I was surprised that I didn't get more heat from that. Because I was pretty open from the start about not nursing. Yeah.

No one said anything. Okay, good. I'm glad they didn't because they shouldn't. It's a personal decision. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Because you're right. The whole, all of the moms have are very opinionated about how to be the right kind of mom.

Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, good for you. I was like, all right, cool. I was a little nervous about that, but. Yeah. no you do you you um okay so let's talk about harper how is she she is so adorable your videos

your stories every time um when you're showing her in her crib uh the one thing i crack out crack up about is all of her binkies all over yes someone like taught us that because she would like wake up in the middle night and like not be able to find her pacifier and i'd be like we blame and i would they sit and look at the monitor, we're like, girl, it's right above your head. Like, to the right, to the right, you got it. Like, one o'clock, you can do this. And so I saw something, finally put like two in one time. We're like, wait, we should just put three.

And now, like, we just throw a handful of binkies in there. And like, she finds them eventually. Like, it's so funny. I love it. And you know what? Those binkies are the best. That's what my kids used from the hospital. I feel like they gave all them to us at the hospital.

And then I just kept buying them. Yes, they're the best. I just bought from the hospital. I bought all these, like, fancy swaddles and all these, like, things. I ended up using everything that the hospital had. All those, I reordered those swattles, all the pacifiers, the bottles. Like, it's so funny. That is so funny.

I didn't even think about the fact that you could probably reorder those, like, white towels with, like, the blue and the pink stripe, you know? I still have them. That is hysterical because I still use them. I love them. I mean, obviously not for swaddling. You would have a field day going on Amazon with the baby stuff because everything you probably had that was like the highest rated is still. The Graco, the skip hop, all that stuff.

The OG stuff is still number one. I love it. Because I do feel like I have a little bit of fomo like mommy fomo because I swear all of the gear and all of the clothes. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I wish that had been around when I was a mom. It's just so cute now. but yes, it flashes me back seeing her passies in her crib. I'm like, oh, that makes me think of my babies. I know.

Okay, so tell me about her personality. He's wild. Is she? She's going to be wild, I think. But she's tough. Like, she's super tough. We were, like, at the park the other day and someone, like, threw a ball in her face, and I was like, oh, my, and she just laughed hysterically.

She just laughs. She hit her head the other day on the door just laughs. We and now are like, she's crazy. Yeah, but she's great. She's so smiley. I don't have anything to base it off of, obviously, but, like, she's so happy. She smiles at everyone, like, in the grocery store. She is a screamer, though.

She's very, she's a high pitch, like, I've never heard. And she can definitely use her voice, that's for sure. But I think she's going to be sweet. Oh, she looks so sweet. She is going to be so sweet. She has you for Mama. I used to say that about Blake'sley, that she was an extremist. Like, she was either really happy or really mad or really sad, you know.

How'd that pan out now? Same. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're going through the teenage years, Andy. So, oh. Yeah.

It's real fun. Not a good comparison right now. I mean, obviously. Yeah. Yeah, I could tell you about four years ago. No, she, she's, they're both amazing. They're living their best lives and doing great. But, yeah, hormones for teenagers.

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going to be asleep by seven. Like, we're going to have the lights out. I was like, Lane, do I go? He's like you go yes you go so we have like a couple Halloween parties before so we're going to celebrate a week early she's never going to know um and I'm still trying to decide on costumes though because they're all so cute that I'm like I can't decide right so cute but you don't do a family costume you just are dressing her up I think we might have to I mean you kind of have to right yeah I wanted to be a rubber ducky and I do I did find an outfit so because she's obsessed with rubber ducky's in the bath. Like, she wants to sleep with rubber dokeys. We're like, you can't. It's not safe. And so I think we're going to be like three rubber duckeys. That I can't. I need to see that.

Send me a picture if you find the costume before you leave on your girl's trip. If I make you feel any better, I missed Max's 18th birthday for the birthday trip with Caitlin that I went on. I mean, you just have to, every so often, you have to actually prioritize yourself. Right? I agree with that. And you know what? There's a lot of things to be in attendance for. You're going to miss a couple of things. Exactly. I try to be there for everything else, but this just happened to fall on that. And I'm like, you know what? What would be doing anyway? We would be blowing out candle. We'd be going out to dinner. You'd be opening your presents. I can watch that on FaceTime and see all the pictures afterwards. So yeah, he knows I love him. Okay. So books, you haven't come out. With a book in a while, are you thinking about writing another? I feel like I want to. I will say this. It's for a period of time, I was like, I don't really have an ending.

And now I do have an idea of what I want to do. Now I just need to find the time to do it. But I feel like I really like experienced my 30s in a lot of different ways. And I think I kind of needed to come to a stopping point at that in order to like make a little sense of it. So now I do feel ready to write a book. Now I just have to find the time. Yeah, right.

I mean, it's hard to find the time. Gosh, it takes a long time. I'm like, do I just do a ghostwriter for once? But I don't want to do the ghostwriter because I've already done two on my own, but from a time stance. So we'll see. Yes, yes, yes. Well, regardless, I'm sure it will be super popular if you decide to write one. I would love to read it.

Okay. Do you think your time on reality TV is done? Would you be open to doing anything else? I mean, I never say. never but I feel like you know the inner workings of reality TV like it's not easy it's not there's a lot of B-roll there's a lot of like time on the back end of like there's a lot a lot goes into it right now I'm like I can't see myself doing like a reality show I would do a competition show though for sure yes like which one I would love to do like traders or special forces

I don't know if I would be good at traitors, though. I have said the same thing because I would love to do traitors, and I was recently asked, would I be a traitor? And I'm like, no, I am a horrible liar. Everyone could tell that I would be a traitor. Like, I'm not an actress. So I feel like I would just want to be a faithful. That show would be so much fun.

I know. But it's so gamesmanship that I'm like, do I have the brain capacity for that? Right. Right. I can say that special forces, having been on it last season, like, you could, you would definitely crush it. I feel like once you set your mind to something, you know, and so much of it is mindset. So I know some people, if you want me to put in a good word. Yes, I would do.

I think I would do it. I'm a little intimidated by the physical aspect of it, but I feel like it'd be a good win as a mom. You know, I feel like as moms, you just like need a win sometimes. Sometimes, like, to challenge or something. That's a great way to put it. When they asked me why, like what my why was, it was that my kids are leaving soon. And I've dedicated my life to them and their lives and our family. And I just wanted to kind of find out more about myself.

But the win, that's a great way to describe it. I like that. Because you probably lose yourself. I can already imagine, like, you lose yourself in Mother. Like, it's a natural thing to do. Like, it's just a maternal thing that, like, I sacrifice whatever for her subconsciously, too, you know? I don't know if that's a male version as well, but I know at least from a female

version, even in this short of time, it's like, yeah. I don't think for men, for some reason, and I don't know if it's, like, biological, but I feel like it's more for women. We do. We, I think we just integrate their life. into ours and it just becomes who we are. At least that's definitely my experience. So thinking about them leaving is heartbreaking to me. But, you know, also that's what you do. You prepare them for life and let them fly. So hopefully it will be a good experience. It was like fun times ahead though, too.

I just remember being like an adult and like college and stuff and like coming home to my parents. And it's such a different relationship and then like in a cool way. Yeah. And you guys are So, yeah, I love, I love, I love thinking about that. Thank you. That makes me happy. Do you live close to your parents? I do. My parents are in Atlanta. So we're like two and a half hours. Okay. And you're in your, can I say this? You're in Greenville. You've said that before. Yeah, yeah. So have you gotten together or have you seen Holly, Julian? So I don't know her. I've had a few people ask me. Yeah. Andy, you guys need to get together. What season was she on? she was on um well she was on bachelor pad she won bachelor pad with michael stegliano yes and gosh i cannot

remember which who she was who which bachelor she was but um i mean she's she's pretty ogy she's she's around your same time i know exactly what you're talking about i know i've had several people say something to me and i'm like i've never met her oh gosh you guys i need to connect to that because um too. I feel like you guys would love each other. And she has two littles. They're a little bit older than Harper, but still, she's, you know, in the mommy, the early mommy stages. She just is so much fun and just started a mahjong company. Like, I don't know if you play mahjong, but you should because it's really fun. Fun, yeah, send me up with her. I've heard several times. Yes, I love her and I love you. And I feel like you guys would get

along really well. Okay, girl, so when are we going to plan a trip with all the, all the Betties, all the Bacheloretts, right? I want to so bad. I feel like I say it all the time. We just speak ABC to do it, so it's like on their dime. I mean, right. Oh, my gosh, I'm going to write Millsie today. I don't even know who's in charge anymore because it's been so long and I feel like everyone's come and gone and like I can't keep up with who's still there. Yes, I know. I think Mills is. is probably one of the only people that I know, which is wild. He was you?

No, he wasn't. But, yeah, no, he didn't start until later, but, you know, obviously just through the years. I've connected with him. Telling you need a reunion. Yes, it would be, it would be so fun. I had so much fun reuniting with everybody. Yeah, just put it on air. because you know everyone loves us just kidding i know not everybody even like the wedding jaden tanner's

wedding member like we didn't know them very well but it was so fun we had the best time the best time i remember getting our hair and makeup done together and yes i miss that stuff i do too and you know and part of me if we did a reunion would be like i would love to just have us but at the same time, like, I want to meet everyone's children and just love on all the babies. Oh. And girl, we're looking at colleges in South Carolina. So if we do come out there. You're texting me on the side. I want to know. Yes. There's a lot. But yes, if we come out there, you'll be getting a phone call. So, yes. Okay, love you. College is close to me. So that's good. Which colleges are close to you? Well, Clemson, Charleston,

and Furman, USC. Yes. Is Columbia near there? Yeah, our. Oh, amazing. Yes, he's looking at there and Charleston. Oh, love. That gives me a reason to get out there.

Reunion time. Yay, I love. Okay, Andy, love you so much. And I know that everyone listening is going to love hearing from you and how happy life is. I just wish you all the best. Thank you. You're the best.

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