The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OG: You Gotta Have Faith in Love with Faith Martin

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

Our Bachelor Nation OG Trista Sutter is hanging out with a fan favorite from the inaugural season of The Golden Bachelor, Faith Martin!Faith catches us up on her love life and what’s happened since leaving Paradise. Faith finally gives the details on that “talk” she had with Gerry before the Golden wedding…and what she still has regrets about.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I know and love her, and I'm very happy to welcome her to the almost famous OG podcast. Please welcome Faith Martin. Welcome. I'm so happy to chat. It's been a while. Happy New Year. Thank you to you as well. Happy 2026.

I cannot believe it's 2026. And you know why I can't believe that? Because my son is graduating high school this year. I know. I know you've been there. You've been there. Been there long ago. Yeah.

I know. Okay. So before we get into all of the happy things happening in our new year, I would love to go back a little bit. Okay. And talk about, obviously, we met on The Golden Bachelor. Loved that day. It was so much fun. Oh, my gosh.

So fun. And then, let's see, we saw each other at the Golden Bachelor wedding. and I watched you on Bachelor in Paradise. Everyone watched you leave with Captain Kim. Can you talk about that relationship and what actually happened after Paradise? Because we all know, we saw on Instagram that you guys posted together

and then I don't know that I ever heard what happened. What happened? Well, so, you know, as the show goes, there was so much to that show. I wish they really could have made it longer and really shown what was happening in the background. And I don't know, is that really, do you want that story? Because heck yeah.

It was so, so incredibly enlightening, Trista, really was. Because, you know, to be just totally transparent here, Kim had contacted me prior to me going to Bachelor. But of course, when I knew that I was going to be attending Bachelor, I also knew that it's hush, hush, and we are not supposed to talk about it. So I was immediately put off from him going, oh my guy, why is he asking if I'm going to be on VIP, right? Because I'm like, we're not supposed to talk about it. So anyway, then when everybody was saying, what, you know, what guys do you want to see?

And I'm imagining half the cast from Jones season, you know, all the ones that I had my eye on. And but I was already put off by Kim. So I said, you know, Jonathan, you know, all the. these different guys. And then I said, anybody but that Kim dude. So I was, I was immediately put off by him, not to mention that I did not really think, you know, I wasn't attracted to him when he was on Jones season. So, but when I got to Bachelor in Paradise, of course, everybody's already hooked up. So I had told Kim, I am not romantically attracted to you like that. He said, understood. Well, then when he gave me the rose and we, And, you know, you know, I took Kathy on the date on the one-on-one.

So, but, and Kim actually had gone to the hospital for heart issues, you know. So anyways, it was so crazy. It was crazy. Yeah. And everybody was already teamed up. So when Kim gave me the rose, it seemed only right that I should at least try to get to know him. Well, then when we started talking, I blurted out as I often do without thinking, oh, my God, I'm so surprised I'm enjoying you so much.

And he goes, what? And I said, I'm just surprised that I'm enjoying you so much. And he's like, oh, thanks, I think, you know. Right? I never really, I need to monitor what I say. So anyway, we just started to get to. No, you don't.

By the way, no, you don't. We just started to get to know each other. And I really liked him as a person. I thought, well, I kind of got the wrong idea about him. And it really gave me kind of a self-check on my judgmental. You know, as women, we automatically, a guy walks in a room within five seconds. We know if we want to sleep with them, marry him, send them on their way.

If we like him, we don't like him. You know, it all happens in the first 10 minutes, right? So I had already made decisions about him that wasn't anybody that I was interested in. And I said, you know, and they were like, well, what do you like about him? Well, you know, he's this, this, this, this. I had nothing but great things to say about him because I really thought a lot of him. But did I have those romantic feelings? Not much.

Then he kissed me at the water cooler. like, I didn't hate it, you know, oddly, I didn't hate it. And then, of course, there's free-flowing champagne, you know, a few cocktails in. And then we kissed in the pool and I'm like, I might have actually really liked that. So I think, you know, keep in mind, too, I hadn't dated anybody after Gary at all. Right. So I hadn't even kissed anyone since Gary. I hadn't, you know, had my hand held an arm around me, no affection at all, you know. And so I really just allowed myself to be open to it and to just enjoy the affection. And what was so interesting, Trista, is that after he kissed me, the next day, I marched him down to the beach and we sat down and I did this big thing, you know,

you're a really great guy, you're an attractive guy, you're a nice man, I really like you, but you need to know, I am not attracted to you romantically. And he looks at that. He looks at me and he's like, faith, that's okay. You deserve it all. He said, you deserve all that chemistry you want. You deserve companionship, affection, chemistry. You should have it all. And I'm like, I've never gotten that response when I've told people that before. I was like, that's so nice. And he goes, so the pressure's off. You don't have to like me like that. Let's just go have fun. In that moment, I was like, oh, my God, I like him so much right now. So I just really let my guard down and I allowed myself to just see if maybe I could like him. Well, then I'm still coming back to the in the

moments and I'm telling the producer behind the camera, you know, he's such a great guy, but I just don't feel any, you know, have those kind of feelings toward him. And I said, when the times get rough, when you're in a relationship, if you don't have that chemistry, what keeps you coming back, right? What keeps you coming back? And then all of a sudden, hearing myself say that, it took me to tears. I broke into tears and I was like, oh, my God, God, I'm such an idiot because the things that should bring us back are the qualities that are sustainable in a relationship like love and understanding and communication and caring and, you know, stability and, you know, open mind to resolution and arguments and all those things that Kim seemingly had, but I still was not chemistically attracted to him. So I had to really take a look at myself and go,

what the hell is wrong with me? Like I look back on my relationships that were all chemistry. And I think that was the first thing that I thought different about Gary was I didn't have so much chemistry, but I really loved him as a human, you know, and have somebody that I could see being a good, stable, interesting man in my life. So anyway, it really made me look at it. And that was that turning point on VIP where we were going to Bailey and Jeremy and pleading a case. And my case was, choose whoever you're wanting.

because I've had so much fun and I'm good to go home. But the truth of it is, I really do want to explore this and see where I met with that. And so we really kind of tried it on and just allowed ourselves to just enjoy each other's company. We had so much fun. We got along really great. And then, you know, when we went home for a short period of time, that's when we had filmed us singing in the kitchen and we were around my family and all that. Then we went back to paradise. And so, you know, the bottom line was when we left and I got home and back to my life, did I crave seeing him?

Did I, you know, we talked a ton, but he kept saying, should I come out and see you? And I had told him, you know, long ago, I have gigs every single weekend. I'm busy Friday, Saturday, like, I don't know how to even fit you in, even if I was Madly in love with him. I seriously wouldn't have been able to fit him in. I said, I can't even think about anything until like August. And so, you know, and then I had to just admit to myself, you know, I don't miss him. I don't. I mean, if he happened to be in town, I'd say, yes, let's go to coffee or to dinner.

And I want to get a big hug from you. But it just didn't feel like that kind of relationship that I wanted to build a life with, right? So I was like, we know that, right? You know that. And he's like, yeah, I get it. It's been that way all along with you, you know. And he's like, you know, he was in like with. me too. But, you know, we just kind of knew we weren't each other's person. And so we stayed friends.

And yeah, so that's basically the story of Kim. Yeah, I think it's great. I mean, I think that it's wonderful that you allowed yourself to just have fun and enjoy that relationship. It didn't need to be labeled anything. You know, you could just enjoy yourself and be happy. And I know, I feel like you've said in past shows that you've just been lonely, you know, and you've wanted, you've craved that sort of connection and relationship. And I think good for you for realizing that it wasn't what you needed. So you just needed to move on, you know? Yeah. So, okay, so flash forward to the present day where your life has changed a little bit since saying, goodbye to Kim. You recently hard-launched your boyfriend on social media. So give us the, give us the

scoop. What's his name? How did you guys meet? Tell us the story. Okay. So after Kim, you know, I, you know, the thing that I've always sat with is I love the life there I've created for myself. So it has to be something more that adds to it that I, you know, if you can get me, you know, if I want to be with you more, more than I want to do my, my normal stuff, then that means something, right. So as a lot of people know, I am not a good winter person and I have a really hard time being in cold weather. Last year, I spent all winter in Arizona with my horses and stuff. I like to stay active on winter. I don't like cold weather. I should be living in California. But anyway, so I thought, well, I'm just going to have a distraction and shop for men on Match.com. So I joined Match, but anybody that's done that

knows. After about two weeks, you're like, oh, my God, I can't do this. This is just ridiculous, right? So I was like, I can't do this. It's overwhelming. And, you know, it's like, once you get to the point where you're actually going to have to travel to meet someone, I'm like, I don't think I want to do that. You know, I just, I just wasn't into anybody that I was talking to. So I unsubscribed, I think I did a three-month membership or a six-month, or I don't know what it was. And I unsubscribed, I canceled, and I left it at that. Well, then my notifications on it just all day long, beep, beep, beep. And I was like, oh, for God's sake, I need to delete the icon.

You know, like you actually delete the app. I don't know how to, I'm not good at that. So I went to delete it. And of course, it opened up because I didn't hold it long enough to delete. It opened up. And there was this message. And it was this guy. And he's like, oh, my God, am I going to have to move to Benton City?

You're a horse. girl. And so I looked at his picture and I'm like, he looks actually kind of cute. So I read a little bit about it. And I said, um, yes, move here this week. Would you so we can ride on the weekend? And he's like, I'm headed out. So we chatted a little bit. And I said, you know what? I got to tell you, this is really brave of me, but I already hate the site. Like I don't want to be on the site. Here's my phone number. Call me if you're interested. So a few days later, he texts, I'd like to call you. So anyway, we just started talking. and we talked a ton and then we met halfway at Maryhill winery. And we spent like five hours in the winery. And I was like, oh my gosh.

Like, you know, I just really, really liked him. And so then we talked a ton and then we decided to get together again. And then like out of the blue, I said, I'm going up to Seattle to spend Thanksgiving with my kids. Do you want to? And he's like, yes. And so he came to Seattle. we hung out for Thanksgiving. And anyway, this has just gone up.

We've just been inseparable. So I have since we're trying to figure out how to extend stays at each other's homes. But we both have horses. So it's like it's easier for us to just both stay at his house for a while. Then I have a lot of music gigs during the spring and summer. So then we're going to live at my house. But anyway, so I've been living in Vancouver with him. And we have all four horses together.

My dogs are here. I'm loving Vancouver. Like I think we will settle here. Oh, love it. Yeah. And so eventually we'll settle here after I'm kind of done with Tri-Cities. And that's a hard one for me because I have, you know, so much going on there. But yeah, great guy.

I'm happy. He's so much like me and all the better parts of me. So and in the parts that I'm glad he's not like me, he is way better. and just kind of evens me out in some things. And so he's got horses. He loves dogs. He's, you know, he's kind of, you know, he's had children, which was important to me, too, for people to have raised kids. And yeah, so he's still working for a couple years until he retires.

But he also plays a little guitar. So he gets me musically how I'm so driven with music. And he, you know, he's very passionate about his horses and likes to do all the things. And he makes me laugh so hard that I haven't laughed this hard. So, so fun. Yeah. So, yeah. So,

it's been really good. Amazing. I'm so happy for you. And for him, for both of you. What's his name? Or are you not? Well,

I mean, I guess it's okay. You know what that post that I put out, you know, I put because so many women, I wanted everybody to know, don't settle, really hold out for what feels really right,

you know. Anyway, it got over a million. views. And it, um, so people know, I guess. So his name's Sabert. Sabert Lewis. Yeah. And he lives in, that's interesting. Isn't that interesting name? Sabert. Yeah. That isn't interesting. I've never heard that before. No, I love it. You guys look so happy in your cute videos with your horses. I mean, logistically, how do you get a horse across Canadian border? Is it hard? No, we're in Vancouver. We're in Vancouver, Washington. But I, yeah. So he's about three hours and 40.

minutes from Tri-Cities. And so I just hauled my horses over. And then we're only two and a half hours from Seattle. So I'm in the Vancouver, Washington area, just about 25 minutes outside Portland. Got it. Thank you. I am very geographically challenged. So thank you for that. No worries. No, it's good. Okay. So did he watch the show? Did he watch you on Golden Bachelor? Oh my gosh. Trista, that was scary. So when we were talking on Match, I said, so what's your last name? because I, of course, wanted to Google him, right? And then he goes, what's yours? You know, and then I said, well, so there's this thing.

I said, I'm going to Google you because that's what women do for, that's what we need to do for safety. He goes, understood. And I said, but do you really need to Google me? And he goes, well, I thought I would. And I go, well, can you hold off on that a little bit? And he's like, well, I guess I go, it's just I'm kind of at an unfair disadvantage because you're going to see a bunch of stuff about me that I really would like a little opportunity to explain before you see me making out with the guy on a yacht and all that. So anyway, so then I finally told him, I went on a

reality show and blah, blah, blah. Of course, when he got together with his daughter, he went to visit his daughter and she's like, what? We got to watch this. So they watched the first episode together. And then I was like, please don't watch. Please don't watch any more. They haven't watched the rest. They haven't watched the, they've only watched one. They only watched one. But then we watch the, watched part of it together. I say, can I let you watch this? And I'll, I'll explain a little. Yes. That's a good way to do it. That's the hard. It's really hard. And then we have not watched BIP. And I said, there's no reason for you to do. Don't watch. Just don't watch. You know, I said, I don't know that it's a healthy thing for you to see me, you know, kissing other men and

stuff. You know, it's a weird thing to do that. You know, you are together with the guy on back, you know, so for you that worked out fun. Yeah, it's good, but I can say, like, if the show came back on, you know, if they aired it again, I don't know that we'd be watching it. It is just awkward, even though we've been married for 23 years, you know? Like, it just is, it's just a weird, a weird thing. So I totally understand. Yeah.

Well, especially, I'm like, that's like me peering in on all your old dates, you know? Yeah. And it's different. And we weren't our best selves on that show. I admittedly was not my best self on that show on either show. I don't know. I don't know. Not on Bachelor.

I was a mess. That was a, you know, it was, it was hard. It was hard. And even this is what's weird, we ended up watching,

you know, Golden Bachelor together. And I cried again. He's like, do you still have feelings for Gary? And I'm like, I'm not going to lie. I will always have feelings for Gary.

I just do. But I don't want to be married to him. I don't want. him to be my guy. But I do. I get all choked up still. I just always will love Gary, like, you know, like that. Well, and heartbreak is hard. Heartbreak is hard, you know, getting over that. It's not, it's not something that you necessarily need to get over. If you are with someone who's an understanding partner and they know that you're, you're never going to be with Gary. You don't want them. You don't want Gary over them. You know, like that, you know, that's

knew, you know, when I was compelled to tell Gary, I can't leave Tri-Cities, part of it was because of my doubt, all of a sudden I wasn't sure, even though my feelings for him were so strong, I just felt like, oh, my gosh, I can't see myself doing it all of a sudden. I had to say I want to stay here, but had he come there, would it, we weren't right for each other. And I think at some level I knew that, but that didn't keep me from feeling gut-wrenching. And then knowing that he chose out, too, was still hard. heart. I second-guessed everything. I mean, that was, it was a crazy. It was a crazy show. But I think that's when you know it's not meant to be if you're second-guessing everything, right? You're not second-guessing things right now. And, you know, did you in past relationships that were successful? You know, I don't think that's a thing. Like, if you're in a relationship that you're meant to be in, I think that's when you know. That's how, that's why people say you know when you know. It's true. Because you're not second guessing it.

Yeah, you just know, I packed up my stuff and moved here pretty much. Not all of my stuff, but enough for, you know, a few months. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, and it just feels right. Okay, have your sons met him yet? Yes, they have. And how are they? Do they all get along?

Yes, they get along great. Okay, great. The family is all including, you know, all inclusive. Yeah. Not a lot of my friends have met him yet. just because we ended up back here and stuff. And I have a gig coming up on the 24th, so a bunch of people, I'm sure, will come and meet him. New Year, new goals.

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Like, both of us have little teeny tiny houses on big land because we love to ride. And, you know, we've been doctoring horses all week. It's just a priority. You know, my horses, my animals, I love to do that. Then he gets me musically, which is really important. I don't know that Gary ever would have, but he's a total music fan. He plays guitar. He's never been a performer, but he plays enough to know and understand the depth of what

drives me to sit there for nine hours and go over a song that I want to sing in my next gig, you know. So he gets that. We share very much the same sense of humor. politically we're aligned, which I think is really, in today's world, it would be very difficult if you weren't, right? So politically we're aligned. And then family, family comes first for us. So our kids are really, really important. And, yeah, I don't know.

We just are very much in tune with what we do in our every day. And I think also we really enjoy each other's companies. So we have fun together. We have the same sense of humor. I mean, I have never laughed as much in my whole entire life as I have laughed since I've been with him. So the fact that we get each other's weird humor is just so fun. So, yeah, I think that's good. Yeah, I think that's probably if I had to give advice to people, that would be one of the things I'd say to look for, someone who makes you laugh.

Yeah. And the chemistry is completely there. I find him, you know, not just intellectually appealing, but physically. and sexually and, you know, charismatically appealing to me. And so, you know, and that's hard as we get older, you know, when you look out, you're like, hmm, you know. But yeah, I just, I like who he is.

He's very tender, very sweet, very kind, very patient. You know, he does not have an angry edge to him. He's just very mild, but yet cute and sexy. He loves to dance. He likes to sing. he's, you know, he likes to ride horses. He loves my dogs. I mean, he's a catch.

He's a catch. He is. He really is. Thanks to match. He seems to be. You know, he seems to be. That's the thing. It's like, how long does it take to really get to know someone, you know, everybody

starts out going, oh, this is great, you know. So he always says, I love you so much. And I always say, you say that now. But, and he's like, he's like 10 years from now you're going to be saying that. Because I always say that, oh, you say that now. He's like, I find you so attractive. I'm like, you say that now.

But when my boots are down to the ear and my hair is completely gray, because they're on their way. Right. Oh, yes. Is there anything that you have learned about yourself in this new relationship? Yeah. Yeah. I've just been contemplating. The difficulties I have over really letting love in, really believing it, really trusting it.

And I always say there's no guarantees. You know, there's just not any guarantees. So, you know, we both may feel this way right now, but what if three months from now we don't feel this way? You know, and he's like, I absolutely know. And, you know, you feel like you absolutely know. But I just, it is interesting for me to, I've noticed just how easy it is for me to always discount things that are so great because I'm like, ah, he feels that way now. but, you know, just because of that, you know, life is always full of surprises and it is very, very scary to trust in it. So I definitely am trying to let myself enjoy it and really feel the moment instead of, you know, kind of pushing it away a little bit.

Also that I've learned that, you know, I've been living on my own for so long. And it is, you know, it's a challenge. I feel like 2026 the year where you've got to decide, are we breaking old patterns? Are we going for not what's just comfortable? Because if I do that, I'm just going to be back doing the same things I've always done in the Tri-Cities, playing music, spending every weekend alone,

doing my own things, which I enjoy, but being on my own, or do I really allow myself to open up to new challenges, some discomfort in adjusting to living in somebody else's home, to having someone in my space 24-7, that kind of a thing. So those are thoughts that have kind of gone through my mind. You know, I don't want to jump too fast in anything and make anything permanent, permanent, just because I'm always going, well, what if, you know, what if this, what if that, you know? So, yeah, those are interesting perspectives that I am enlightened by every day with faith, you know,

where's your trust level on, you know, just because you got to kind of go for stuff. But you also have to sort of tread lightly because you've got to know if things don't work out. I don't want to have sold my house or, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah, totally. Be realistic. Yeah. Realistic. Yeah, I think so.

I think you can be both. I think you can be romantic and heart strong and also, you know, be realistic and headstrong. So it's all good. You do you. Yeah. You touched on this a little bit, but you wrote a post with your boy. boyfriend, and I want to read that just for all of the people, not including the million views, who haven't read it yet, because I do think it is so important, and I have said this for so long

to do the same thing. So I'll get into that. But this is what Faith said in her post. To all the women who think they can't bear the loneliness of being by themselves and end up settling with a partner that's not quite their right person, I'm here to tell you it's worth the weight to hold out for the one who is everything to you. I just love that. It is so true. Never settle. No matter what your age,

no matter what your past relationship experiences have been, I think it is so important. And I tell my kids this all the time. Don't settle. Just because you feel like, you know, you're having a good time and you're happy. And, you know, before Blake'sley had a boyfriend. She's 16 now.

You know, I'm like, don't lower your standards just because you feel like you want to have a boyfriend like your other friends. Like, never lower your standards, never settle, always hold true to what you value as important because then you're going to at least have a better chance of happiness than if you settle just for somebody who's there, then you are discounting your ability to be happy. and not giving yourself that chance. So I love that you said that. I thought all of those words were so important. And since you've had a million views of that, have you had a lot of people kind of come out of the woodwork and comment and reach out to you? So many people.

It's funny because that was not a really thought out thing that I said. It was an instant feeling, and it took me about three seconds to write it. And I was kind of like, I'm going to put this on because we were having so fun, so much fun that night. And I just was so in that moment, so happy that I found someone that really shares my passions about things that I'm really passionate about with the horses. And we can go horse camping and traveling. We can do music. You know, all those things. We're just really enjoying that.

Where so many people that I've dated, they may have great things going on, but they're not really things that I can relate to so much or vice versa. So I wrote that so quickly and threw it up there. Like, I guess the world's going to know we're dating. You know, that's kind of all I thought about. And then it just kept boom, boom, boom. And literally thousands and thousands of messages. And you know, Tristan, it'll make me cry to talk about it. But I'm like, the love that pours out of people, like, faith, we are so happy for you.

You deserve this, all that stuff. And I'm like, how is it that total strangers care about my heart? I mean, it's so nice. It's so kind. And I think that that is the most beautiful thing that came from being on the Golden Bachelor is that you find that complete and total strangers that went through that journey with you and really did care about your heart. And they're just so happy that I found someone. So for them to just sit down, grab their phone, write a little message to me. I'm like, it is so sweet. And it's like that I want to love. sink in, that they're, no matter how crazy the world seems, the people really care about love and they

want other people to be happy and, you know, the people that followed that journey and just, you know, I think no matter who it is, we all love, love, right? It's what we all want. We want, we'll be happy for the people that have it and, um, and want to help enjoy that with them. So I just so appreciated how people, you know, wrote me all these messages and they were so happy. And they're still coming. It's like every post, you know, people just comment all the time and they're just happy about it. So I'm glad.

Because I think a lot of people cried that it didn't work out with me and Gary, you know, and then they were hopeful with me and Kim, but I'm like, no, I hated it that everybody thought we were totally together when we weren't in that way. So I had to, I went on and finally said, no, we're not each other's first and we care about

each other, but that's it. And both Gary and Kim know about Sabert also. So we've talked a little about that. And they were all so happy, you know, Gary, you know, Gary and I have talked. And so Kim and I, and he's like, oh, that's so great. I'm so happy for you. So, yeah, it's really sweet. Well, that's sweet. Do you still, like, how do you stay in touch? Like, are you guys getting on the phone or have you seen each other? Usually it's a text. You know, Gary and I will text every now and then. I'm so happy for him. He really found a great person. It seems like, I mean, they look alike

almost, right? So he totally do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like brother and sister. But anyway, they're doing really well. And I don't know. Kim's not dating anybody yet, but we texted quite often for a while. But he is the last time I heard from him, he just texted and said, congratulations. I'm so happy for you.

So we stay in touch and Gary, you know, for holidays and stuff. I'll always hear from Gary. And I stay in touch with some of the girls, not as much as I used to. But like I just texted with Leslie the other day and Teresa. You know, so, yeah. Love. That's awesome. You mentioned all this podcast.

positive commenting outreach to your social media. Have you dealt with any negative? Yeah, very little. I think I've had three, two, maybe one or, I'm thinking of one in particular right now, but I think in the past, during the Golden Bachelor's season, I think there was two, and then there was one not too long ago. And it's funny because, for one thing,

it makes me sad for people because I'm thinking, what is wrong in your life that you would want to go out of your way to be mean? And it would be something like, you're ugly, your face is like that you look like you're 80 years old. And I'm like, yeah, sometimes I do look like this. And I sometimes, like, or somebody that go, I hate the way you sing. And I'm like, sometimes I hate the way I sing. I mean, it's like, it's okay. But the point that you're trying to hurt me is what's really interesting here.

You know, did you want my attention? because you say mean things, but yet you're still on my page. So if you really hated me and you didn't want the attention, why would you go out of your way to reach out? Do you need to talk? You know, what's wrong? Because, you know, like, I never said I look perfect all the time, nor do I claim to.

You know, it's like, yep, bad lighting. Maybe my skin really does look like it's eight years old. I don't know, probably. I'm really, I never took care of it. But the point being, why would you be so rude? What's wrong in your life? So, you know, I think being in the public eye, you get used to a little of that. And I always say, well, I don't have any problem losing followers or friends.

I don't make my living doing this. It's like an online photo album for me. I don't care how many friends I have or don't have on social media. So I don't have a problem blocking you if you're going to be a rude person. Go away. You know, so. But, you know. Yeah.

No, I'm glad that a majority is positive. for you. I feel like the same goes for me, but there's always those one or two people, like you said, who just want to waste their time making your day like, feel licky. Like, I don't understand. Yeah. It has never made sense. They said, you have really ugly, big cheeks. And I said, oh, well, I can't, you know, like, there is no filler in my face. There was no Botox in my face. So basically you're saying that my parents made an ugly baby.

Okay, that's your opinion. I try to do with what I have, you know. But not that I haven't done Botox and stuff in the past, but it's been years and I just have really high cheekbones and when I smile, they get really puffy. But then later, I look at Sabert and I go, do I have chipmunk cheats? Have I gained weight?

You know, and I'm like, he's like, don't. Don't even let that bother you. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, don't. It's like I have these, you know, sagging face, but I'm like, yeah, I'm not ready to cut up my face nor, you know. So this is what I look like. And I didn't say I look perfect. So, yeah. Yes. And keep going with that.

You are beautiful. And whatever, if someone has a problem with it. Yeah. And they just need to remember that if your mom didn't say or your mom always said, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything. Yeah. Because what is it that people have to pick on on people that are on TV? because of the way they look. Like, it's not a responsibility to have to look perfect for people.

Why can't we just be human? Like, I'm 60, almost 64. I can look how I want. Leave me alone. Yep. Leave me alone. If you don't like my page, then just leave. Like, that's what I don't understand.

Like, why do you come to my page and actually follow me and actually comment? Like, it makes no sense. It's weird. If something doesn't make you happy, then don't go there. Yes. I know. It's so weird. Yeah.

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underneath, listen to the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. Okay, so we were talking about settling before. And it came out recently in Gary's book that he had cold feet before the wedding and you guys talked before the wedding and you gave him some advice. Can you talk about that? Like, how were you feeling when the book came out? Tell us what that conversation looked like and why you felt like compelled to share that with him. So I didn't read the book.

I knew about the book. I had not read it. But he did come to me that night. And of course, I said, don't do it. Don't do it then. This is Teresa's life. This is your life. Don't do it.

Tristan, just between you and me, because I don't know if I've ever told anybody this, except for Sabre. That night, I really contemplated being the one. that stands up at the wedding and objects. Can you imagine? I wanted to do it so badly, and I thought my producers will kill me. You know what? I mean, they would have,

but they also would have been like, well, this is a moment. Because, you know, they're your friends, but they're also, like, producers of a television show. Right. How the show would have gone. Yes.

There's part of me that I remember being in that bar. We were all in the bar. And Gary and I were talking. Isn't that the night? Like, I feel like we were all. I feel like I was there. And for some reason, I don't know if I was near you guys.

Like, I have a horrible memory, so I can't like place this. We were over in the corner and he was like, I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. And he's like, I think I think I got too wrapped up in the moment. And I don't think I should do it. And I was like, well, don't do it. Don't do it. He goes, I made my bed.

I did this to myself. I got to do it. And I'm like, no, you don't. And you should tell Teresa and I should probably feel in the same way. Don't do it. You know, don't do it. So, but then the hard thing was, and it's so much more involved, as you can probably imagine.

I remember the last time I saw you, I was in the airport and I had COVID going home because I did not sleep for that four days that I was there at the Golden Wedding. I was trashed because I knew way too much. and I sat up in bed, not being able to sleep, and I went, oh my God, I am living a soap opera on a TV show, but it's the real soap opera that's going on that nobody knows about that is far more disturbing than the little soap opera that I'm in. It was so weird. So then at the wedding, when the cameras are on me and I'm crying, I'm crying for so many

reasons. I'm crying because the man I love is marrying a woman that I'm not so sure he loves, yet telling her that he loves her. And I'm knowing Teresa well enough to know, this is never going to work between the two. So those were my feelings going on. But at the same time, there was always that different perspective

that they did commit to each other that maybe they thought in the moment they could really make this work. It seems so genuine and so clear that they were going to go forward. And I think both of them did. And I also think that two things can be true. at the same time. I hear Teresa and how she talks about it. I hear Gary and how he talks about it. I think

both are honestly telling their truth. I think that's how they perceived it with their own lens, their triggers, they're what was going on in their lives. Scary, huge thing to go through. And I love them both. And I think they're both right. And they're both true and justified in their feelings, both of them. Totally agree. I think you've, I'm sure you've heard this, but there are three sides to every story, you know, each person's account and then the truth. So I think that, you know, your truth is maybe a little bit different from the actual

truth, but it doesn't matter. It's all about, you know, how you're feeling and just do you. You know, you've got to do you or else you're not going to be happy, and maybe you're stealing that happiness from somebody else. Do you have any regrets that you didn't stand up at the wedding and say I, you do? Yeah, I do. It was one of those ones where I kind of went, I need to speak up. I want to do this.

But at the same time, I thought it'll make a mess of everything. It'll make a mess of everything. And I should just keep my mouth shut. They put too much money into this wedding. And, you know, I should just shut up. But and then afterwards, too, after Gary's book came out, I had to call Teresa and say, I kept that from you because what could I have done? I mean, what could I have done?

Yeah, that was my next question. If you had told anyone, including Teresa, that he said that. No, no. I actually had told one of my personal producers at the time. But he said he agreed, Faith, you got to keep your mouth shut, you know. I mean, I don't think this is your business kind of a thing. And I'm like, okay, but it was hard because it would have made a mess. It would have made a mess of the show.

It would have thrown everything crazy. And they would have had to have done a lot of scrambling. And then I couldn't tell Teresa. So, you know, when Teresa's confiding in me and after the show, you know, Teresa's confiding me, Gary's confiding me. And I have to just sit there and go, oh, my God, I got to the point where I was like, I can't talk to either one of you. I don't want to be caught up in the middle of this.

And then, you know, when the book came out, I had to, and everybody was telling me, you know, when I was hearing all this stuff. And then Gary's, you know, kind of threw me under the bus. Faith told me not to do it. I'm like, oh, for God's sake. So then I called Teresa and I had to say, Trisa, of course I had to keep that from you. But what would have happened had I come to you, you know? And so, yeah, I don't know. Is it always the right thing to speak up?

I don't know. would have caused a lot of trouble, but maybe it would have saved a little bit of a mess too in some way. So, you know, I guess we'll never know. We'll never know. And that's the reason that I'm going to tell you you can't live with regret. You know, like I'm not your therapist, but I feel like I, you know, you just, you can't regret what you can't change. You know, like move forward. They're both happy now.

And I feel like that's what you need to focus on. Yes. And I think that they must have both learned. something from it. And yeah, and they are happy. And, you know, I mean, 30 years from now, and I really feel like I could really spill my guts. I'd like to give more of the details. You know, inside edition, inside edition contacted me. And they wanted the scoop. And I'm like, boy, how I'd love to spill. Oh, yeah. No way. Yeah. They said after the book came out, they wanted to know. And I said, boy, what I would love to be able to tell you every single detail.

But you know what? I won't. I'm going to keep my mouth shut. It's not my story to tell. And I said, so don't, don't ask me again. I'm not going to spill their opinions. No, no, all respect for that. You know, you say what you want to say and keep whatever you want to keep private. Have you met Gary's fiancé? I have not, but she seems lovely.

She seems lovely. I mean, you know, who knows, right? But she really does seem lovely and they seem happy. And, yeah, I think it's really good. I don't think Teresa's with anyone quite yet, but, you know, maybe that's still to come. Yeah, you never know. Do you want to get married again? Would you consider being a fiancé again?

So here's the interesting thing. As you know, when I went on Golden Bachelor, I didn't know people got engaged at the end. I know. I was a really silly, naive one. I had no idea. There was a rose ceremony every week. I had no idea about any of it. but I always thought, well, what would ever be the reason to get married again?

I don't know that I'd ever want to do that. And but for some reason, you know, I think that, and I'm fine never getting married again. I'm fine with being eternally engaged. I'm fine with just living together. I'm fine with not living together and living separately. So for me, it's just not a huge thing. I will say that for Sabert, he's a little more traditional and he really does want that to happen.

So no rush on it, but I will show you this. Did it happen? Is that a promise me ringer, an engagement ring or what? We, you know, we ended up talking about it and, you know, we kind of decided that we would like to get engaged someday and we happened to be in this place. And we actually both bought each other rings because he bought me this and I wanted to buy him one too. And so we're kind of like we haven't been, you know, I said, well, you've got to ask me in a special way. And he's like, okay, okay, when do you want to do that? And I'm like, not any time real soon.

So we can let it be for a little bit like this because it would feel too sick. But yeah, of course, we've already talked about it. We already know who would marry us. We even kind of know what we would do. And, you know, we've kind of tossed it around. But then we're also going, we don't need to rush into it. We'll just see how things go. But yeah, isn't it? weird because now all of a sudden I'm like, okay, where my best friend's like, what? You always think you would never, you said you'd never move. You said you'd never do this. You said, and I'm like, I know, I don't know. You know, so. Love makes you do crazy things. Yeah. So, but I always, I always caveat it with, but we'll see because you never know. But, you know, we give something

enough time. Who knows? But I'm open to it for sure. Yeah. I love seeing that. Is that a sapphire? So, no, I'm not a big, I'm not a big diamond person. It's a garnet. I know you're not. And so I, like I've always said, I would rather see diamonds on the water in the sunlight than I would have a diamond on my finger. I'm just like, it seems like so much money for such a little thing.

You know, I'd rather have acreage or better things for my horse or a better barn. So don't spend money on diamonds. But then I saw this and I love the passion stone garnet. It's such a passion stone. It's red. It's also my favorite color. And that it does have little diamonds around. So I'll give you a close up.

Let's see. Oh, that's beautiful. Oh, my gosh. Faith, it's beautiful. Yeah, I loved it. It looked blue from farther away or black. Yeah, but closer up, you can tell that it's right. Yeah, it's like a garnet.

And it looked so much like me. I'm like, I think I'm meant to have that. I was like, okay. And then I wanted him to have something. So we actually bought each other and we're wearing rings. but I haven't hard launched that or I haven't said we're engaged right because he has to ask me first and I'm not I don't know if you should do that right yet yes I get that I get that are you are do you like surprises would you want him to do it on a day that you didn't know or would you want to have it planned I don't know do you know that I I never even had a wedding Trista I got married no so when I married my husband I married him eight days after he kissed me and we just went down in jeans in front of a judge no No one was there. I didn't have any family there.

Nobody even met him until after our first baby was born about, you know, 16 months later. And so I have never planned a wedding, been a part of a wedding, never. So I don't know the first thing about it. I know that I've seen other people do all that. And I'm like, oh my God, that sounds like a headache. I would never, like I would go, everybody, wear what they want to wear, show up, you know, like I don't want it to be a hassle for anyone. you know, but I thought of things like this. Let our grandkids ride the horses and throw out flowers.

Would that be so cute? Oh my gosh. Yes. So cute. Would that be so cute with grandkids? Yeah. So I'm being first time in my whole life at 63 years old, I'm like kind of thinking, if we got married here and what would we do? Yeah. And I've never worn a wedding dress.

Oh, you need to. I mean, we need to get you in a white dress. Is anyone listening out there? There's a picture of my ex-husband and I with all dressed up, but it was actually a prom. It was some radio thing that I did as a prom. And so I was wearing a white dress. Everybody's like, is that your wedding dress? Nope.

I got married in jeans and a sweater in front of a judge eight days after my husband kissed me. And we had never slept together. It's like, yeah. I mean, when you, like I said, when you know, you know, you know, yep. I mean, please, I got engaged after six weeks and we're still married. So it's all good. It's crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. So exciting and fun, but nobody knows about this. So I guess keep it a secret. I don't know. In fact, Gary, I did tell. I said keep it a secret, but I think we're sort of unofficially engaged. And so he's like, oh, he's like, me too. And then who else?

I saw somebody else. Is Susan engaged also? I think. I don't know. She is. I don't know. But I know she's pretty together with that guy, right? I mean, she never called me.

Kathy and I have talked occasionally, but I haven't heard from Susan a long time, so I don't know. Oh my gosh. I don't know. I just love that you all are finding love. That's amazing. Isn't it? It's so weird. Yeah.

It's not weird. It's amazing. I love it. It's so great. It's great. But it's weird. I never really, I kind of thought, if I can go on a national TV show and still not find love, I mean, come on, this is not happening. So, yeah. Surprise, surprise. No. No, it can't happen. Any, in any way, in any way, as you have shown.

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IHeart. Follow sacred lessons with Mike Delo Rocha and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions. Get stronger, work harder, fix, what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter, a psychologist with over 30 years experience, helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught to name. In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight, and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to others.

Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy, as in compassion. If you want this to be the year you stop powering through pain and start understanding what's underneath, listen to the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. I have a few more questions. One of them being, since you're in a happy relationship, do you think that Sab has any friends that you could hook up the rest of your golden friends with? Would you ever play matchmaker? I love playing matchmaker. I've done that a few times.

and it's actually worked out. I'm actually quite good at it. Okay. But he does not because I'm working on one for my very best friend, who's an extreme athlete. And I'm like, don't you have any friends? You know, he works a lot. And he's kind of a relationship guy.

So he's not really a hangout with the buddies a lot guy. You know, I mean, he's got guy friends, but they're all married. So, but I'll certainly be keeping my eyes open. You're going to be on the lookout. I'll be on the lookout. I love that. I'm sure Leslie and Teresa would be happy for that. Yeah.

Okay, one dating tip that you have for any goldins out there listening. This is probably not going to be favorable at anybody. But I always let a guy, I let a guy see me in my worstness right from the get-go. Like, I'm like, okay, we had our first date and I'm wearing mascara, but the truth of it is, hardly ever wear it if ever. so and I'm not I don't curl my hair every day and I wear baggy clothes and comfy shoes and you know like I don't I don't put on any facades of any kind right from the get go it's like I don't I don't have time to do all that stuff for some reason you know I'm just like so I figure if they like me at my worst then they'll like me at my best so I'm pretty transparent right from the get go and I really always say please be the same. Don't pretend to like everything I like. You know, don't say things. Don't be agreeable if you don't agree. God, we're too old for that. You know, be who you are, please, up front. So I get to know, otherwise you're just going to prolong the inevitable. And then, you know,

you'll break up when you find out who the real person is. So be yourself, be who you are, you know, let it all hang out there. And if they don't like it, then more time. Then you're not meant to be together. Exactly. Exactly. I think that's. So such good advice, you should be real in a relationship. Yeah. You should be who you are so that, you know, you both know what you're dealing with. I feel like a long time ago, Howard Stern said something about I was blonde on the bachelor and then the bachelorette. And I think years later, I became a brunette or something.

And he's like, well, I guess Ryan's not getting what he signed up for or something like that. Like I was not being real, you know. I was like, you know what? As a woman, we have that prerogative. We can change that if we want, whatever. I mean, yes. So I, you know, I don't, I think it's very important, though, to, to, like you were saying, of say, please don't act like you like to do something that you don't like to do because

I need to know who you are. And if we're compatible, I think that's really important. Great advice. Yeah. What do you think of, actually, did you watch Golden Bachelor number two? Are you talking about Jones season? No, the Bachelor with Mel Owens. No, I did not.

Okay. I did not. So do you, I mean, you might have heard some rumblings about the show, maybe. Do you think that they'll have another golden season? I don't know. I think quite honestly, when the. rumblings that I heard on social media was that he didn't want to date anybody over 60 and blah, blah, blah. And then I remember hearing something to her and said, you know, one of the gals, I don't know which one

it was said, oh, well, we're a really good looking ladies. The first season was those were very good looking ladies and something like that. And I had to giggle. I know. Because there's times when I look at us and I'm like, we were all exhausted. We were all looking pretty haggard at times, right? You know, it was tough. I love all our ladies. I loved our season. But, you know, yeah, maybe we were a little less put together or, you know, on the superficial side, a little less superficial than some of the ones. Now, they're younger, you know, I don't know.

Some women really know how to do all that and they do. And that's great. More power to them. But I kind of felt like our side where, you know, Susan's working in a hair salon and Leslie's dancing. She's a teacher. I'm doing, you know, doing stuff. Like we, I don't know, we're just more of the working women, you know, keeping it going. So we were all dolled up maybe as much as they were.

But, but so I didn't, I ended up, I don't know. I don't know if it was that or just I didn't. I was a little bit put off by Mel and his thing with what he said. And I was like, and then, yeah, so I didn't watch it. I'm sure it was good, but. Don't worry. No, there's no, there's no judgment. here if you didn't watch it. I just didn't know. I wanted to know just to put everything in

perspective. Yeah, and I don't know if there's going to be a third one. I have no idea. But you know, me, Trista. I hardly know how to work the TV. There's too many remotes, you know. Uh-huh. I get it. I am technologically savvy sometimes. But yeah, I know people who are like, yeah, not my thing. And that's okay. If you have, if they do do another goal. Golden Bachelor, would you sign up a friend? Obviously, you wouldn't go back on, but would you sign up a friend to do it based on how your experience went? Oh, interesting. I wish they would do a couple of things different. Please tell me. Well, I'm sure it's the typical stuff. Like, you know, well, I really probably shouldn't say. So I don't know that I should. that I should. I wish they would, honestly, I wish they would let it be a little more real. Like,

I do, when people say, do they edit blah, blah, blah, no, they didn't really edit out stuff or do anything weird like that. But I wish things were a little more real. I'll just put it like that as far as the timelines go. Of course, you know, like it would have been great. I keep thinking it would be so great to have, like the way BIP was where we had so much time to really do stuff. And, you know, they filmed everything, but then they condensed it so small. I feel like oftentimes they leave out the really good stuff, the part where we're having these major, you know, interesting, reflective lights going off in our heads about real issues

and things that are so important for women today and what we go through at this age looking for love and the things we think about. And, you know, I think that's far more interesting than the little stupid drama stuff that happens on the side. but maybe that's not good TV to, you know, to the audience the show goes for. So who knows? But yeah, would I, you know, through it all, I would say it was a fabulous experience for me. So I loved it.

I'm glad I did it. But would I want to put anyone else in those shoes? You just give them really good advice. Yeah. And I think that probably the advice I would say is do more. what some of the other girls did. They just had fun no matter what. They didn't worry so much about the whole love thing. But, you know, of course, I was going in going, going, this could change my life. Is this going to be the man I marry? Is this going to be a person I spend the rest of my life with?

The show just got so serious. And I'm not that serious of a person, quite honestly. So it just, it head tripped me really bad. Like, why am I on this silly show unless this is the guy I'm marrying and I'm scared? I was just like, oh my gosh, this is the guy I'm going to be with, you know? So it really was traumatic. in so many ways, honestly. It's strange, strange, but very enlightening. I'm really glad I did it. It's been a lot of fun.

Totally. Bachelor in Paradise was a blast. Okay, well, good. I mean, it looked like you guys were having fun. I feel like everything happens for a reason. And, you know, if you hadn't gone on Golden Bachelor, do you feel like you would have gone on match and then gone off match and then gone on match and met Sab?

Like, do you know what I mean? Like, maybe you guys wouldn't have met had it not been for the show? just because of the way your life was, your mind was. Yeah, maybe. Maybe because had I not gone on Golden, I wouldn't have been on Bachelor in Paradise. And Bachelor in Paradise was so much fun. I would do that in a heartbeat. That was a blast.

I loved it. I had so much fun. And had I not even had that little experience with Kim to really kind of feel out what I was really looking for and what was important, but still what I felt like I needed, You know, I think it was that that made me say I could be open to a relationship again. And I need to explore that more. And I don't know, something felt different after BIP. I think I felt more brave about just trying it on like I did with Kim. Because I think the fear with us, women, at least myself, is if you try it on a little bit and it doesn't work out, it ends horribly.

it's somebody's always super hurt, upset, mad, takes you months to get rid of them. I'm sorry to say that. But, you know, like they're crying at your door. They're stalking you. They're causing trouble at your work. I mean, just like, so it's really hard to put yourself out there and even engage at all with, you know, letting down any boundaries because it's so hard to get out of when you want to get out of it. So all of us just sort of go, oh, it's not worth the risk, right? But I, Kim, Kim was so good about it.

it. When I brought things up, when I talked about, I was like, okay, there's got to be other men that are mature like that, that understand that as adults, if it doesn't work out, you can move on and everything's fine, right? So I think he really gave me hope that, hey, you know, it's okay to try it on, to look at things like that, to investigate a relationship. And if it doesn't work out, calmly, nicely, back out, go on to better different things. So, yeah, I don't know that I would have, gone on match again had it not been for Bachelor in Paradise. Yeah. And that's situation. I mean, hey, however you get there is great. And I'm so glad that I got to meet you through Golden Bachelor and you're part of the Bachelor Nation family. Thank you so much for coming on

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