The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OGs: All About That Bass with Evan Bass

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

Our Bachelor Nation OGs Bob Guiney and Trista Sutter are reconnecting with Evan Bass from JoJo’s season of The Bachelorette and Bachelor in Paradise!  Evan opens up about his hidden struggles with ex-wife Carly Waddell, and shares how it felt to try and seem happy on social media when their marriage was in turmoil.  Plus, Evan gives his take on Joey’s season of The Bachelor!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Trista, Sutter, nay, Wren. No, stop it. And me. Hi, Evan. What's up? Hey, Evan, Bass. Hi. How are you doing?

Look at your funky setup. Wow. I know. I'm like, do you do a podcast? Because you are all set up. I don't do a podcast, no. I do a little radio show, actually. Oh, very nice.

You do? Yeah, yeah. In Nashville? Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it's in a few different markets. But yeah, it's called Get Your Man on. And we talk about, it's like doctors and, you know, professionals talking about, you know, men's health and all that. good stuff so it's pretty cool that's amazing yeah heck yeah well that is your background right i mean

i remember when you were on the show originally you were a if i'm not mistaken uh a ed pill salesman i think they refer to it as a ritell dysfunction specialist yes yes yes there you go something like that were you were you in were you in pharmaceuticals at that time no so i was in the um like in the medical practice space like so not like um not like pharmaceutical sale that was more like clinics, like clinical thing. So I've opened like over three dozen medical practices that are just like specific to men's health, like ED and low T across the country.

So that's kind of where it came from. And you know, I begged them on the show. I was like, please don't say anything about, you know, my job. Like I'm more on the business side. I do the administrative stuff. And they're like, no, no, no, we would never. Yeah. They lie to you?

No. Come on. I was so mad. Yeah. Do you still do that? Yeah, yeah. Amazing. Amazing.

Would she like better, that or radio? No, the radio is really kind of to help that along. Like, it's more promotional stuff for it, like talking through the different treatments for guys. There's like there's all kinds of cool stuff out there now for guys when it comes to the men's health and ED and all that stuff. So it's almost like, you know, talking about our clinics and the different stuff out there. So it all kind of flows together.

That's awesome. Good for you, man. And I love it. I mean, for real, your background puts us to shame. Like, I, yeah. Yeah. You wouldn't think we don't do a podcast. I mean, what the hell am I doing in here, Evan?

I like your background. No, it's good. Well, mine's not real. That's all virtual. So. Yeah, right. Yeah. No, I'm just kidding.

I'm coming to live from my guest room. If I didn't have my kids running around, I'd have a much cooler background. I can promise you that. I have a really cool area that I used to do our podcast from. And I had to give that up because of the timing of when we normally do these, one of the kids is usually, you know, pulling on my pant leg and the other one's like throwing things at me and yelling at me. So I'm like, it's probably not.

I got to go kind of find some seclusion somewhere. Yeah. How old are your kids now? Five and two and a half. Oh, man. That's so fun. Yeah. It's good ages.

What are yours? Well, let me think here. 22, 18, 15, 6, and 4. Wow. I mean, 22 to 4. That is a huge difference. It's massive. Like, how is that? Is the 22-year-old kind of like a little, like a father figure to the four-year-old? Actually, he's, nope. He is absolutely still an antagonistic older brother to every single one. There is no, there's no father figure about him. He's still terrorizing them and chasing them around the house. That's so cute. Evan, how old were you when he had your first kid?

well so uh nathan who's 22 i actually adopted him when he was two years old so he was from a previous marriage and so i i adopted him and i just so i would think when when he was born i was like 18 years old just didn't know i had a kid yet so sure oh that's fantastic gosh man you've been responsible your whole damn life look at you you know it just kids i didn't have my first kid i was 47 so i was an immature disaster up until that trista can tell you That's awesome. There's frozen coffee. She just goes,

oh, bump, I don't say anything. Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. How is life for you, Evan?

What's up lately? Yeah, it's, I mean, it's just a lot of kids and, you know, sent one off to college this year.

So that was, that was a big deal. Yes. The 22-year-old didn't really go to college. He just went straight into the workforce, which is great. He's super successful.

Manages a cool little hotel. that's um in national but so this was the first like drive the kid to college and do the whole thing where you put him in the dorm and like it's like super sad and you're like i'm never going to see you again you know it's like that's how it feels and so uh yeah so that was really really emotional and it's still like part of our family's missing now because he's just like in florida he goes to fSU in their theater program so um but so that's tough and then um so it's like Basically, I have a 15-year-old who's at home with me full-time, like, he lives with me full-time. And so he, he's very busy in soccer, but he's very much, you know, 15 and, like, doing,

doing his own thing and, like, all, you know, always, you know, chasing whatever he's chasing on the weekends. And so he's, he's become, like, you know, it's easier at 15 than it was at, like, six or four, like Bella and Charlie are. So when I get the babies every other weekend, they, They play together, but then they, you know, they take up that entire weekend. It is like just balls to the wall as kids. So it's fun. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm in it. I'm in it. I know exactly that. I know where you're at, buddy. That's good. Yeah. Well, you're just about out of diapers, huh?

Two and a half. Well, I'm going back into them myself. But yeah, my youngest is going to be out of them soon. I might need to call you. I mean, I'm in my 50s. So if you have any advice or any, uh, you're in your 50s? Oh, yes, sir. I'm 53. Trista and I, well, I don't want to.

Thanks, pal. I don't want to say anything about the other OG on this line. Oh, it's fine. I'm 51. That gorgeous specimen is 51. You guys look so good. Oh, my God. Thank you.

Thank you very much. It's just good clean living and lots of vodka. That's what I always say. Lots of vodka. I credited it to Colorado, fresh air. That's right. That's right. I love it out there.

Tristan and I both got out of California early, man. I'm back in Michigan where I grew up and she's in Colorado where, you know, she and her love of her life, my former roommate on The Bachelorette live. And, uh, yep. But yeah, man, it's such a pleasure to actually get to, I don't think I've actually met you in person. I know. Or did we meet a Jaden Tanner's wedding? Did we meet at that?

Nope, I wasn't, I wasn't around then. You were around that, okay. That was like one season before me. I met so many people at the wedding and I, and I don't remember. remember who I didn't meet, but I feel like I know you. You don't remember who you didn't meet? Yeah, I guess I feel like everyone must have been there that's, you know, on our show. So, but yeah, but it's really nice to meet you.

So now, obviously, you and Carly met on the show and, you know, got married and then subsequently got divorced and split up. Is that, was that hard for you to navigate that through the season? I mean, I can, I'm sorry, through the Bachelor, because I'm sure that it was, you know, I always tell Trista this because Trista's never experienced what you and I have. But sometimes going through a divorce is as much about embarrassment that it didn't work out. I mean, this is just talking vulnerable guy to guy here. But it's almost like it was much embarrassment that it didn't work out because you know you're in the public eye

as it is about like, you know, you're bummed, of course. It's devastating. Even if you want the divorce, it's devastating. But it's like I can imagine that. it had to be difficult for you to go through it in the public eye. I mean, you guys kind of met and fell in love and everything right in front of everybody's eyes. And then to have it kind of not work out, it had to be pretty tough, especially with children. Yeah, totally. I mean, it feels like my whole, like, social media identity was, like, around that, you know, relationship and our children and all that stuff.

So it definitely felt, like, on that level, which is, it's social media, which is, I don't know, I barely even, I don't really even do it anymore, but, like, that level was weird. From the public perspective, like, you know, people were saying stuff and it's like your friend and stuff off. But there's just so many children involved. That's what really, really added an extra layer of, you know, pain to it. And you never want your kids to see you go through this stuff. And you never want, you know, and, you know, I have older children too. So they had seen it already. So this was like number two. I was like, man, like I didn't, you know, there's like, I didn't want the stigma of like two divorces. Like, oh my God. felt it was really heavy and um and of course you know people were like you can't you know it's too that's too many you know whatever they i forget what they said it was several years ago now but it was really um it was really hard on that level and then just obviously going to the process of

disconnecting from someone that you met in a really a unique way right let me very few people have the opportunity to to experience that some you know all that goes along with that so yeah it was tough it was definitely definitely really hard embarrassing all the all the emotions yeah runs the gannet for sure i did i understand it is tough i mean my uh my ex-wife was an actress and so our whole thing played out on television as well she was on a bc as well so it was it was one of those things where even though we were still you know we still get along wonderfully well years later we just knew we weren't meant to be married and after seven years it was like you know everybody out there has a comment and opinion and they don't realize that you're you know

you're a person it hurts you know and like you're still going through a something that's that's hard even if you both agreed that it was the right thing to do. So yeah, I totally get at me. And my heart went out to you when that happened. And I know we didn't know each other, but I was thinking about you at that time and, you know, thinking about both of you and knowing

that it had to be really difficult for you. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a minute now. So I think, you know, the process of healing is, you know, complete, I'd say it's, you know, gone through all the therapy and still going through that. And, you know,

stepping away from sort of social, like Instagram, and Twitter and all that stuff really was helpful, I think. But, you know, I'm always like, man, I miss mess around on those things and live tweeting The Bachelor. Like, it's so fun. Yeah.

So I think about getting back into that stuff. But do you feel like that played a part in the divorce and what happened with you and Carly at all? Instagram, social media? I often wonder how Ryan and I would have, have been in the, not the beginning, because you guys, you guys were together for how long? Let's see. I don't know. We, we were separated for a while. So, like, I think our marriage was, like, technically three or four years. Oh, okay. Okay. So even more to my point, like, I feel like in the

beginnings of our relationship, you know, we, all of that stuff wasn't around. We, it was just message boards, you know, for me and Ryan. Um, and I, and, um, and I, often wondered if the stress of that, because it's got to be stressful navigating a new relationship that's in the public eye. And I'm not putting this on you. If it had, if it played no part, then it played no part. But I just wonder if, if social media did play a part in just the difficulties that you guys experienced leading up to your doors. Yeah, I think, I think I resented a little bit because it, you know, then it's, I don't know how much of a deal. it seems like social media for bachelor people isn't as much of a thing anymore like it seems like

I don't know a follower account all that stuff uh then it was everyone was making a lot of money on social media yeah so it was not just like your relationship and like here's a part of my life but it's like hey I also have to make money because like you know I need my engagement to be high I need this to this this this and this stuff to work out and um you know I always found the social media that like that part really felt hard to be like we got to do a post like we got to do post like it's been like too long people think we're breaking up we got to do a post it's like okay let's do post even though it's like really hard let's do it so that that is challenging to like yeah work that you know you're supposed to be authentic and real and you're you're trying to like

you know help come other companies be successful uh and you have to keep these certain metrics up or else, you know, your agent gets mad at you or whatever. He was like, you got to join this. I remember he was like, you have to join this TikTok thinking. If you join now, it'll be huge. I was like, absolutely not. I'm not doing TikTok. He was like, no one's on it.

If you get on it now and I could listen to him back then because it was, you know, before it became popular. But anyway, all that stuff was just like, you have to have that in your head. Pressure. Yeah, the pressure. Yeah. That's a wrinkle. That's a wrinkle.

That's a wrinkle, Trista and I didn't have. You know, when I was on her season of The Bachelorette and then when they made me The Bachelor after that, I don't think, and Trista, you and I have talked about this a lot, I don't know that I would have been able to handle it in all honesty. Like, I think there's so much negativity out there, you know, where people are just piping in with whatever, you know, and they just think it's fun, like, oh, I'm going to say this snarky thing, and you're sitting at home reading it. And I mean, I've said to Trista a million times, she knows this about me, but I'm incredibly

sensitive about that kind of stuff. I'll see a million things talking about how nice of a person I am, and then I'll see one thing that's mean and that thing will stick with me for weeks. I can't shake it. And so I can only imagine when you're under the microscope. I mean, you know, our show was a different dynamic, right? We had like 30 million viewers a week, but we didn't have, yeah, but we didn't have social media. You guys, you know, now the show has like 10 million videos a week, but like millions and millions and millions of impressions. It's like we didn't have that chatterbox coming back at us to dissect everything we said or did. Well, you did have like Us Weekly magazine. You guys are in

That's true. You guys were like, you guys had all the magazine. I don't even like, those aren't even a thing anymore, but you guys, I'm like, I'm sure if I went to the grocery story, you'd be like, there I am. Hey, check it out. Yeah. Yeah, that was more for my mom's, uh, my mom, my mom loved that. You know, oh, Bobby's on the cover. No matter what the cover said, could be like, he's a complete jackass.

My mom, like, honey, you look so handsome on the cover. I'm my mom. It's not nice, you know. But yeah, yeah, it was, it was just a different dynamic. I feel like the social media stuff is just, it's tougher to navigate, you know? And I can imagine when you're married and you're maybe, like you said, I didn't even think about that. But the pressure to post something together looking happy, even if you guys aren't feeling so happy that day. But we got to get something up.

The agent said, you know, I guess it could kind of create a lot of extra tension. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's, there's a lot of different, different reasons. I don't think it was one thing. I just don't think we were great, you know, overall fit outside of the beach of paradise. and we just couldn't really get to where we had too much common ground. But social media definitely, like, I don't know, I just, it was never, it did make it more challenging at that, for sure.

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I'd call it, I'd call it professional. Like, I think it's, you know, like, and that really is how it probably should be. It's very, you know, cut and drive to the point. And here's what's happening. Here's what's going on. You know, if there's a high, a really big high or a hello, it's, it's, you know, we can communicate through that stuff. But I think it's pretty, it's, there's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's what it is. Like, it's just yeah. And then Harley obviously just announced that she has a serious boyfriend. I assume that you

knew about him prior, but maybe you didn't. Um, how has that been with that announcement? Um, bringing up any emotions. How are you feeling about that? And have you met him? Yeah, uh, no. I haven't met him. I just, I've found out about him, I guess, a couple months ago. I'm excited to meet him. I really, really want to meet him. And the kids have mentioned him once or twice. And so I'm like, I like obviously wasn't, she was announcing everything and she shouldn't have.

But I'm really looking forward to meeting this guy. So happy, I really want the, you know, I'm happy for her and want the kids to be happy with them too. So yeah. I feel like I feel pretty like even about it. I'm like, I'm happy for her. I want the kids to be happy, you know, happy mom. Happy kids, you know, so that's a big deal. Plus, I think that's that kind of support is great from both of you to the other person.

Like, you know, I always say that, you know, it's just because two people split up doesn't mean they don't want the other one to be happy in life and love. It just means that they weren't as happy as they wanted to be in life and love, right? So it's nice to be supportive of that, of your partner. And then I would think, too, you know, it's probably a very important thing. You know, when I got divorced, we didn't have children. So I don't know that dynamic. I fear it.

You know, I feel I'm always like, oh, God, I hope that doesn't happen to me again. But I can only imagine, like, you know, from that perspective, it's got to be important for you to know him and make sure that, you know, he knows that you're supportive and that you're cool. And if something goes up with the kids that, you know, he needs to call. You know, or whatever. I mean, I'm sure you guys will work that out, but I'm sure there's a lot to it, you know?

Yeah, I really liked it. It'd be great. Yeah, that's, that's a big deal. It's important to have all those relationships be really healthy. Heck yeah. I think so. Now, even though you haven't shipped anything on the, on the IG or on the Facebook, are you seeing anybody?

I know, I said, shipped it. Wait, what does that mean? I'm over 40. I read earlier today, I read earlier today in a, in Team Beat magazine that If you ship it, that means that you are, you know, you're supporting it together. You're putting it together. Like causing a relationship, essentially. Like if you're shipping someone, like if I wanted to ship the two of you together, that you were a good match, then I would say I'm shipping Bob and Evan together.

I think, you know, I could be wrong. Is Evan shipping? Are you in the shipping business right now? Wait, who am I shipping? We don't even know. We're so confused right now. they could cut the whole show and we don't even know it.

No, like, are you dating anybody? Like, I mean, what's your story? Are you feeling serious about anybody? Yeah, I've been dating someone for a year and she's amazing. I mean, she is absolutely incredible and met through work. And so it's been really cool.

The kids are obsessed with her. And that's a big deal. So, yeah, yeah, it's been really fun. But I've obviously kept it. I'm not really posting anything on, I think the last time I posted it was like Wells wedding a couple of years ago or however long that was. And I just not, you know, trying to keep it private, do this a little bit differently.

So, yeah. I get it. I can imagine that you have to keep it private compared to what you had previously. I think that's a smart move. Yeah, for sure, for sure. I definitely want to do this the right way, you know, like a really, you know, I feel like the third time is the charm. Like, hey, that's what I said.

Nothing else outside of that. Evan, we have so much in common. I love this. Totally. I was married, divorced in a year, my first marriage and my 20th, before I even met Trista. So when I met Trista, I had already been through the meat grinder, so to speak. So, yeah, but I get it, man. Third time is a charm.

I think, especially when you're a little bit older, because you kind of let go us some of those, you know, those conventions of marriage that you have in your head, like, everything's always going to be perfect. And we're just going to be like butterflies and puppy dogs all the time. And it's like, no, it's not. But then you also have that factor that you know it's not as bad, even in times that aren't as great as others. It's not as bad as it could be because you've experienced a little bit of that, too. You know what I mean? So that that experience actually gives you, I think, a totally different perspective to relationships. And I think the time It'll be the charm for you, buddy.

I do. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I got some more calm. Let's go. Come on. I got you, man. I got you over here.

My kids are also really opening the third time to charm. Especially the older ones who are like, Dad, come on. Yeah, get it right, dad. For God's sick. I know you're not on social, so maybe not, but do you still watch the show? You know, I took a break. Yep. And I've been watching this season with my girlfriend.

And I, like, this is such a great season. I'm like, oh, my gosh, I missed this show. It's so good, so good. Yeah. Bob, are you watching it? We haven't talked about this. You know, I haven't been watching it. But not that I, I know who Joey is.

And I've seen all the great feedback to him. And I've watched a lot of clips of this show. But I just, it's just a tough time of the day for me. It comes on and I'm putting a business for it. So. But, you know, my kids are at this age right now. out where I'm putting them in and because I'm gone a lot my thing when I'm home is I'm putting the boys to bed you know yeah and so the show comes on as I'm putting them to bed and then and I love

it you know like I put my youngest to bed first and I come in and grab grace and I'm like let's go buddy and you know it's this it's daddy's time you know and so I'm reading books I mean I'm you know from about seven to nine o'clock every night I'm pretty much on lockdown and so awesome you know so after that it's like i'm catching up on other stuff and i don't have a chance to watch tv so i i would be lying if i told you i even know what's going on in the news yeah the time you know i just don't um but you know i i i know that i i like who i like and so when i watched clips of the show i'm like man i like this joey guy i really like him you know and yeah and i like a few of the ladies that i've seen on the show too and i and i really hope that it all works out for them

Evan, who do you like for the end? Oh, gosh. Do you watch spoilers or listen to spoilers? No, absolutely not. Okay, me, I hate them. Spoiler people. I hate them, yeah. No, uh, uh, uh, I really hope it's, um, actually, either one would be great, but they both are like so different in their connection with him, but I think I'm leaning towards Kelsey, although Daisy is more like the, that would be the, the storybook bachelor type of,

outcome. But I do like Kelsey a lot. I think she's really cool. Yeah. I thought Maria would have been a great, would have been a great fun choice, too. Like, she would have kept them on his toes. And I love to see her be the Bachelorette. I think she'd be awesome. Oh, my gosh, I know. So I haven't watched the women tell all. They haven't announced bachelor's up. It was a mess, I'm sure. I think they moved it an hour or later just because of all the cursing. Oh, that's why they changed it. You think they have to do all that is. oh my gosh that makes so much sense that is hysterical oh that's funny i loved maria my daughter

and i are actually watching it together for the first time like a season where oh she's seen she's 14 and she has seen uh different episodes from different shows but so she we went to the golden wedding and um and so great it was yeah it was amazing stop it Bob I loved that wedding. Oh, wait. That's right. I wasn't invited. Oh.

I jokingly say that I was invited until Trista added Blakley and Max to her guest list. And then they're like, hey, Bob, by the way, you're out. You're out. Hey, yesterday's cast. That's not true. So anyway, the kids went, and Blake'sley and me, me and Blake'sley and Joey and Caitlin were together. at the bar. Yes, we were at the bar with a 14 year old. And we had this like in-depth conversation that I feel like Blake'sley just, she just bonded with him. She just loves Joey. So she really

wanted to watch this season with me and we've been watching it together and Maria was one of our favorites. We loved her. I just love how like she is just who she is and she doesn't care and she does keep everyone on their toes like she's not the static quo kind of person that's on the show you know i know her authenticity is i think it's so appealing and joys is too joys i think he's a fantastic bachelor just he really is all heart so you guys i have this group of buddies that we are we're on a text thread together and they're my it's my brother-in-law jd who i know trista's met but my brother-in-law and then a bunch of really more of his buddies and then me but we're all from the same area called Down River, Michigan.

And so, you know, ever since I've been on, ever since I was on the Bachelor 20 years ago, or since I was on Trista season, 21 years ago, they've always been like, you know, teasing me. And, well, one of the things that my brother-in-law and a couple of the other guys on the thread do is they are super into watching the women tell all, the men tell all, right? Yes. So all I know is the other night, my phone is just blowing up. Oh, my gosh. And they're toasting, you know, they're taking pictures of themselves, toasting wine to the TV and, you know, drinks.

And their whole thing was if they could, if they could write the script that Maria needs to be the next Bachelorette, that's, that was the consensus of everybody on that, yep. And so as someone who hasn't even got a chance to watch this season, I'm like, well, I know exactly who you guys are talking about. Like they think she's beautiful, she's got a big personality. She doesn't care what anybody thinks, you know, but she's still kind and has a sweet side. Yeah, I've heard all about it. Yeah, she's a fun one for sure. It'll be a little bit of a mess because she'd probably try to quit a few times. Yeah, I mean, that I think is right there is why she won't be the bachelor at.

But yeah, it's unfortunate. And I do think that was the right decision for Joey to make because she did try to leave. So if that shows you that they're going to leave when the going gets tough, but I think that's a right decision. Yeah, it's not a good indicator. Absolutely. Yeah. That's so funny that you watch the tell-all.

Oh, I mean, I do love the Kelsey and Daisy. I've actually, like, DMed both of them. Oh, awesome. Just love, love both of them. I think either of them will be a great match for him and he could find happiness. But I, okay, I want to ask you, Evan, since you've been watching, do you have any predictions as to what happens in the financial? because, like, they've been alluding to the fact that it's never happened before.

So whatever happens has never happened before. I'm like, what's happened? Maria comes back. Maria comes back. Is it post-Harrison has never happened before, though? Or, like, how did they? That's a valid point. A lot happened.

Pre-Harris. Before Jesse and after. Oh, yeah, pre-Jessie. Yeah, I think it gets turned down. I think he gets turned down by somebody. That will break my heart. That will break my heart. Like, has that ever happened before?

I don't think so. I don't think it's ever been, I don't think a season has ever ended, not to my knowledge anyway. I mean, we've had several seasons to end without a proposal, mine included. But we haven't had any end with someone actually proposing and the other person saying, I'm sorry, I'm not feeling it. You're right. You're right.

That's never happened before. We also haven't had that one person sent home. come back to crash the engagement ceremony either, which that's my prediction. Oh, really? Maybe Maria gets even spicier and decides she's coming back to claim what she thinks is rightfully hers.

Oh, okay. Joey's heart. That's how I'm writing. That's not a bad. I don't know. That would be interesting, isn't it? I don't know. I have to still hope

because at the wedding, I believe they had already filmed everything, I think. I'm sure. And he seemed really happy. Of course, he could just have already dealt with all of the, you know, sadness and everything and been fine. But, oh, gosh, I really hope he doesn't get his heart broken again. Okay.

What if someone's like, I need some time to think? What if Daisy's like, I need some time to think about it? Because the previews were like showing her being really emotional. And so what if she's, so what if that's, it's just as simple as that. She's come back. Yes. Okay, let's do this. you're right it could be i don't know i'm so i just i'd need it to come tomorrow is it next

week is that the finale next week and they'll do that after the right yeah okay is daisy the one okay hold on i'm just reading the cochlear implant yes oh my gosh she's adorable she's so sweet yeah love her yeah she's the one who i really loved from uh the night one intros. I remember thinking, oh my God, that girl is so cute. Yes. Yeah, she is super sweet. And I just, I've heard out there just people are like, I don't like their connection as much. It seems like Kelsey and Joey have more of like a chemistry, like a visceral chemistry, if you will. And then, you know, Daisy makes him happy. And, but also, like, it's funny because Ryan was kind of, listening in on the other night, which he does not watch the show, but because there was no

hockey on, he was watching with us. And he was like, do you feel like they're making us think that he's going to choose this one and not the other one? And I feel like when he was talking to Davey, like there were a lot of breaks in the conversation where they were just kind of sitting there. like, you know, it wasn't flowing very well. So whenever they do that sort of thing and they and they kind of lead us down a path of, oh, these two don't have a connection. I'm like, hmm, they probably do. And they're just showing the moment where.

No, that was the old school trick. Remember the old school trick back in our days was they always made the audience think they're picking the other person. Right. So when you actually pick the person where you have the best chemistry, people are like, what are you doing, man? And you're like, no, honestly, this was amazing too, you know. So, yeah, that was the old trick.

So maybe they're going back to baseball. Who knows? I love those old days. Yeah, the old days were simple, buddy. We were simple. I mean, I was a fan. I watched it. Like, I love this show.

Like, from. Oh, I love it. It was so great in the beginning. I love you saying that. It's been up and down. We had so much fun together. Like, but I always say this. And Trista, you know I say this about you all the time.

The one piece of advice that, I took from Trista, which I thought was so great, was I realized that it really starts at the top, like whoever that lead person is, they really set the tone. And Trista set the tone, like, we were buddies. Like, all the guys in the mansion hanging out, we loved each other. Like, there was never a moment where I was like, oh, man, I don't want Ryan to get that day. I was like, oh, Ryan, the best time, man. I love you, bro. I'm, you know, I'll be Shamu sitting back here, swimming in the pool, you know, while you're away. I was a little heavier then. But, There was that.

And then it was like, but when I went into my season, I started it that way too. I'm like, you guys, please don't think of this as a prize because this is a hot mess. So just go ahead and have a good time, get to know each other, have fun. And however this thing shakes out, it's going to shake out. You know, it doesn't mean you guys have to be backbiting here when, you know, and I loved that Trista kind of led with that and made us realize it was okay to be friends. Like we didn't go in there feeling like we had to be caddy and enemies. And I almost got kicked off the show as a result of it in the first.

week by the former, I guess he still is the EP, but he came over and he was like, you know, hey man, don't be all kumbaya on the hot tub, buddy. I'm like, what? I got a little trouble. But regardless, it was definitely just a lot of fun. And, you know, I think that starts at the top. And that was one thing I think really, really reverberated through the screen for people at home.

They knew these were a bunch of good guys who liked each other and just adored Trista, you know? And that was kind of the coolest part about it. I think that's what I think Joey has been like such a the one thing I've taken from what I've seen of his season so far is that he's been kind of that kind of a guy like just like a you know almost just like a big smile on his face for pretty much everything and you know trying to keep everybody happy and I like that I like that yeah he doesn't it felt like everyone was doing it for the likes you know for a while for he seems he seems to not be that way so yeah it's pretty and of course they are getting really great. great follower stuff. Yeah. I was looking at it because I'm curious how they're doing because it's such a good season. They're all like, you know, it's back up like, you know, their follower accounts and all that stuff.

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When people ask for pictures, then she gets really, it's not a big deal with her, but she's just kind of like, oh yeah, I'm on TV show. And so like, when a couple years ago, they filmed, they did some, I was watching and they did some like throwback moment. And it was like, I was like, hey, Bella, look, there's daddy on the TV. And she's like, what? Oh, that's funny. And I was like,

yeah, it's like a football thing or something. And, She was like, that's so cool, Daddy. And I was like, yeah, you know, how we met. That was, I mean, you know, she, she doesn't talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just part of life. Like, that's just what it is. Yeah, that's how my kids were.

When somebody wants a picture of my mom and dad, you know, that's not normal, but it's fine. Or that's normal, I guess they were thinking probably. Then you could be my son, Grace, and we'll be at, like, McDonald's Playland. Tristan knows the story, I think, but he'll literally like see people. like looking at me and talking he'll go over and he'll go hi I'm Grayson are you looking at my dad do you know him oh my God do you know him from Bob the Builder and then they'll go what builder and they'll say no we've never watched that and he goes I'm just kidding it's Bob the Bachelor do you want a picture with him he takes pictures

I'm just that's adorable that's hysterical oh I literally does it all the time I'll just like Grayson they don't need a picture honey they're fine they'll be like what is really funny yeah sure he's so going. I don't know where he gets it from. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

That is, that's hysterical. My kids are like opposite. Can we run away from the camera anytime anyone wants to photo? So funny. Yeah, that's how the boys are. They got sick of it. I'm sure. I do love that.

Like, it was fun for a minute and then it like goes away to like very small degree. And, uh, but they, that really affected them actually. They hate like social media or they hated it for a season. Like they went through like that whole thing. Like, it's all fake. It's all horrible. And so they, but they definitely hate the,

hated the picture thing after, after the novel. Yeah. So it's nice that it's calm back down. Like, it's really, it's a cool, fun thing to be like,

yeah, that happened to me at one point in my life. And now I'm back to just being a dad. Totally. That's right. That's right. And a boyfriend. Has your girlfriend watched the show?

Did she know who you are before you started dating? I, obviously, who you were from work, but did she know your past? on The Bachelor before you guys started. She didn't. And I think like somebody else told her like after the fact,

they were like, you know, like, Evan was on the TV show. Like, no, I had no idea. So she like looked it up and she was like, oh my God. Yeah. She assumed I was married because I had like, you know, I was like, I talked about all my five kids, right? And it's like, you got five kids, right? And so it was like when she found out she was single,

then she did the whole deep dive thing. I was like, oh my gosh. So, and she's more like way private. it about stuff to you. So, uh, it was, it was a bit of a like, you're like, okay, I don't know. And I was like, it's fine. It's not that big of a deal anymore. Right. You're like, take your time, figure it out. Yeah, exactly. It's just part of who you are. It's not all of you are. I mean, for all of us, it's not our identity. It's just part of, you know, our story. Exactly. Yeah. For most of us, for some, it's still a very big part of identity. Yeah.

Yeah. I always, I always tell everyone whenever they, you know, so, and this is something, Evan, because I can tell you're a humble guy and, you know, you've been through it and you're back home and doing your thing. But people always ask me, like, you know, what advice do you give the new bachelor's? I'm like, well, they don't really ever ask me, but if they were to ask me, my advice would be, it's not about you. A monkey could be handing out a flower up there and the girls are going to get pissed and cry if they don't get a flower. And the guys are going to get catty and weird behind the scenes if they don't get a flower. But, you know, I think that's obviously, you know, that's specific to my season

because Trista's season it was all truly about Trista. That's not true. No, it was true. No, it's not. My season, they could have had a chimp up there handing out flowers and people have had. Oh, stop.

Yeah. Stop it. I do. I feel like we met, did we meet on, what was that show? She's a country singer. Oh, yeah. Kelly

Pickler That was it I feel like we saw each other there but I don't know if we had met before that I think we were each other in Good Morning America at some point For something Yeah

There's been a couple times But the Pickler and Ben I love that I'm so sad it's out of business now Or whatever happens to those things That was fun to do That was so much fun I love Kelly Pickler Yes

It was a fun show And I love Nashville. So getting to go to Nashville is fun for me. When you don't live there, it's a fun place to visit. Well, it has been really fun to talk to you, Evan. Yeah, great to catch up. I'm really happy for your happiness and that you've found happiness in another relationship. Tell her we said hi.

And if she ever wants to come on, she can come on the podcast. Yes, we love it. Doesn't sound like she's going to have interest in that, though. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. but give those cute cutie pie kids a big hug from us and we just appreciate your candor and coming on here to chat yeah thanks for having me appreciate and bob great to meet you on here

hope we can yeah definitely i would love that man i actually come down in Nashville quite a bit so next time i'll get you a number from our producers i will for sure that'd be awesome yeah man yeah i'd love it i love it you seem like a great guy man i'm happy for all your uh success and all your kids and all the good stuff happening to you. We wish you the best. And please come back and visit us any time you want. Awesome. Thanks so much. Thank you, Evan. Thanks, Evan. Talk to you all later. Bye. Bye. Bye, bye. What a nice guy. He's awesome. Yeah. So sweet. I like him. Super down to earth and actually super freaking funny. And I just, yeah, he's a good guy. I like him. Well, as always, you conducted a lovely interview, Ms. Sutter. I thought you did spectacular.

Oh, thank you. You too. Gripping, gripping work. You ebbed and flowed between, you know, the social dynamic of a conversation and the hard-hitting news facts. And that's why I think you're so good at this. I'm just a hard-hitting reporter. That's too much. And now I'm going to go eat by breakfast. No. Hey, there you go. There you go. Oh, yeah, it is early for you. It's very early for you. It is. I actually slept until 10.30 the other day.

Oh, my gosh. right it's spring break for our kids so um i don't have to sit up and get them move in and make sure they get to school on time so not that i would meet not that i have to but i just feel like even though they're 14 and 16 and they should be able to do it on their own because max is driving i just i still you know i want to help i get it i get it i'm the same way i mean mine mine can't do anything by themselves but you know that's still I enjoy it you know the things they can't do by themselves for whatever reason I'm still doing them for them for them anyway so there you go yeah but always a pleasure my dear friend thank you for taking the time out today for

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