The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OGs: Bachelorette Watch Party with Lorenzo Borghese and Andrew Spencer

Episode Date: July 20, 2023

Old school meets new school when our Bachelor Nation OG Bob Guiney teams up with former Bachelor Lorenzo Borghese and recent Bachelorette contestant Andrew Spencer to watch the latest episode of The Bachelorette! This is Lorenzo’s FIRST TIME watching The Bachelor since 2006! You won’t believe his reactions to how the show has changed. Plus, our panel of Bachelor Nation stars reveal the “kiss of death” that is guaranteed to get you booted from the show!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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actually have some fun here and watch the most recent episode of The Bachelor at with Charity. So I'm very excited. Joining me is Andrew Spencer. Andrew was from Katie's season. And it's our first time meeting. So we're going to have some fresh commentary between the two of us. Andrew, welcome. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Absolutely. This is going to be a good time, man. And I don't know if you've ever gotten to meet my main man, Prince Lorenzo Borgesi. He is not only the nicest dude ever in the history of The Bachelor, but he's the only prince that we've actually ever had as a Bachelor, which I think is pretty awesome. Welcome, Lozo. Thank you, Bob. Good seeing you again and good being here and you look good. And Andrew, nice meeting you. Nice to meet you, Fresh Prince. Yeah, the Fresh Prince. I like it.

I like it. So, all right, man. Have you guys, have you been catching up on the season this year? Have you been watching charity season so far as it unfold? Yeah, I've been seeing a couple episodes. I actually met her not too long ago last week at the Barbie premiere. So she's a very lovely lady, and this has been a really, really fun season, actually. Yeah, did it make you want to kind of shake off the old rose petals and maybe go back to the mansion and hang out with her?

no she seems very happy so i don't know i think she's good very cool very cool how about you lozo you've been watching it um bob got to be honest i haven't seen the bachelor bachelor bachelor bachelor bachelor bachelor in years um i know we're on episode four now and her name's charity so i'm going into this absolutely fresh i don't know anything about it so you're going to get a different perspective for me on the show. I'm excited to see it, though, because I haven't seen any of these since 2006, I believe. Is that, did you, was that when you,

so you haven't watched it past year's season pretty much? No, and I barely watch my season. I feel like, it's sort of like when you graduate high school or college, you don't really go back, you just try to move on. And I have, but I always hear about the Bachelor and Bachelorette. I think it's a great franchise. I'm excited to see what they've done to it. Hey, buddy.

I'm just glad that it didn't die a miserable death after you and I were the bachelors. Because, I mean, you know, I didn't want to go down with the ship, man. No, I know. When I went on, I was a little after you, they said, hey, you know, we need to pump these ratings up. If they don't go up, we may have to cancel. And I didn't do much, but I think the girls in my season helped out. And, you know, the series continues. Yeah, man, season 20.

Crazy. Absolutely crazy. All right. Well, we're going to get into this. We're going to actually sink up our watching devices. And we're going to fire up episode four right now of charity season. Are you guys ready? Let's do it. All right. I'm going to count us in. Here we go. Five, four, three, two, one hit play. Chris Harrison's gone, huh? Wow, you really have. I haven't watched this show in a long time, have you? It's Jesse Palmer, right? Yeah, Jesse Palmer's the host now.

That's good. This is a great start. Oh, my God, I love it. All right, great. He's just sitting in for this or for more? No, he's been the host for the last couple of years now. I knew something happened with Chris. I thought it was just one season, but I guess that's it.

So, Braden, so there's a couple dudes on the show right now who have been having some high drama, right? Braden, the dude who's got like the dream catcher earrings in. I mean, he's an interesting dude. Is there a guy you like the most? You know, I don't know. I don't know who I, who I'm backing yet. I don't think it's going to be the Braden dude, though.

I don't think he's going to be the last one standing. He's causing too much problem. Ed, you got one you like? I think Xavier and Doughton and Joey, I think those are my front runners right now. You'll see those guys. Yeah, that Doughton guy seems like he's a pretty sincere dude, man. You know? Yeah, he's definitely, he's got a, he's got the bachelor asking to them.

So before I was on the last year, so before I was on the, The Bachelor, Andrew, I was actually on Trista's season of The Bachelorette. And it was funny because, you know, we didn't, there had never been a Bachelorette before, right? So we didn't know what we were doing. And, you know, we would basically, she'd come to pick up people for a date. And if you weren't on the date, you know, we wouldn't, we didn't know we were supposed to, like, gather around and like, you know, watch her leave and be all sad and stuff. I'll never forget it. I mean, Trista comes down.

I'm shooting hoops. She's on a group day. She's like, you guys too busy to come up and say hello? And we're like, ah, you're going on a date with five of my new best buddies. So, you know, have a good time. We're hooping it, you know. Yeah, that was the awkward part. We got, like, our relationships are really close.

And as soon as she come down, we were like, oh, we got to gather in. We try to catch a glimpse. But we'll probably be playing bags. We played bags. That was our thing. Oh, that's nice. How many guys were left? I don't know.

I think there's like 10, maybe. Yeah. I can forecast what's going to happen now. It looks like they're going to bungee jump. So, yeah, they're getting ready to go bungee jumping. Doughton's one of his biggest fears is heights. Yeah. He's like 6'8.

That's crazy. Yeah, he's a tall dude, man. He's got a different vantage point altogether. And Cherries are about ready to lose it, man. She is terrified. There's no way I would, I'm terrified of the heights. The one thing I want to do is bungee jumping. Like I've gone, I've jumped out of an airplane, not all that,

but I won't bungee jump. I'd rather jump out of an airplane. Yeah, then bungee jump for sure. It's weird. If it's touching land, I can't do it. Like if I'm looking out of a building,

I start climbing up. But if I can just jump out and not touching anything like a plane, it doesn't bother me. But this I can't do. I'm terrified of that kind of stuff, I don't need to do it. Even if the producers say,

you got to do it. I'm like, nope, you get these stuff. I'm not doing it. I always think it's so funny, man, when they put people in these uncomfortable situations like this, man. It's crazy. I wouldn't do it. I like, no.

Yeah, I got, uh, I didn't, he's tall. I didn't, my season, we didn't get to do this stuff because, uh, we were during COVID. So, we stayed in New Mexico, uh, no, no one's like, oh, let's go to New Mexico. And at any point in life, but, uh, that's where we were at. We had to do, like, these little, these little, um, these dates were just not as fun as what they get to do right now. Yeah. I always say, man, so Lorenzo filmed his whole season in Italy. See, come on now.

That's, that's just Italy. It was a different time back then. It was, uh, and I don't know, are these episodes all two hours long? Yeah, just about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it was the same with Bob.

I think, Bob, we had a two-hour premiere, and then each week it was an hour until the finale was two. Yeah, right? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, now they've found a way to extend. I think they shorten the amount of episodes. Yeah, I don't think it's as many as you guys' seasons were.

I had seven, I believe. Seven? Seven. They added a bunch of my season. Okay, then they added more than. Seven or nine, including, like, the girls tell all kind of thing. Yeah. Well, so how long was, uh, was filming for you guys?

It was two months. Two months? Two months? Three, three years? Yeah. Seven to, I don't remember. The whole thing was nine. So, like, but, you know, that includes the girls tell all, which I wasn't really part of.

But yeah, it was two months of filming and it was, it was really hot, though. I mean, it looked great, but it was like 100 degrees. You have to wear a suit. And, like, you know, it was a wool suit, sweating the whole time. And it looked a lot. better on camera than it was actually being there. I remember you talking about that. That was like hot is all Gittins in that mansion.

There was no AC. There was no AC. And then like they, they would only turn the power on when we had a roast ceremony. And they had to have like 30 Italian guys there to turn on one generator because it's, you know, it's all union there. And then on the lunch break,

it's a lunch break. You can't talk to them. Like for two hours, I have a lunch break. You just have to stop and wait for them. It was amazing. Just sit around and sweating. All right.

Who's this other guy now? I don't know what they're doing. These two guys? Yeah. This is Aaron B. and Joey that are talking right now. Do you like the other guys? I think I have a hunch. I think Joey's got to be in the top.

I think he's a fan favorite right now with the people out here. on social media. He's staying out of the drama? Yeah. But the Aaron B guy is he's drunk. He loves it. He loves it. Is he the one that's been fighting with that Braden guy?

Yeah, that's him. Yeah, that's, yeah. They've been going at it for sure. I'm not a big fan of that. I'm not a big fan of the tattle guys. I ain't can all out of it. I think it's so pointless. It is.

You know, just to, to take their time to go and tell us another guy or talk about another guy during their time, I think is weird. I'll tell you, man, we got along so great when we were on Tristan Seasons The Bachelorette, like all the guys, we just really hit it off. So it was kind of one of those things

where you were like, look, man, she's gonna like who she likes. Doesn't mean we can't like each other. Let's be buddies. Let's only make the most experience, you know? Yeah, and if the guy did suck, you were just like, well, she's gonna figure that out. You can't be making this little for her.

So that's kind of how I hated those guys and go up and tattle. It's almost like if you do that, it's a kiss of death, right? The dudes who do that are almost always set home the next week. Yes. That's literally what happens. There was no jealousy there with somebody taking out the girl that you like and then coming back and maybe telling you stuff you don't want to hear or what? I didn't feel that way, man.

I didn't come back and be like, so what did you guys do? you know oh we went here oh no we're sweet don't tell me don't tell me I didn't want to know that was the one thing I was like

I was like an unwritten rule in the house though it was just like don't show off I did one time I came back and I had my hot tub slippers on

so that was I apologize I didn't have my flip flops so I was like I'm sorry guys I didn't I didn't mean to walk in here like that

but that was the only time that's awesome Bob did you like being on The Bachelorette or a bachelor better? You're the only one that's done both, right? You know, I had a great time doing both. Absolute blast doing both. The Bachelorette was easier, you know what I mean? Because it was like there was no pressure and it was just fun. You know, the Bachelor was awesome, but it was a lot more pressure. As you know, Lorenzo, it's like you're going through it. You're just kind of like, man, all I could think about was I was going to be hurting somebody's feelings and I liked everybody.

So it was really hard to do that part of it. But I would say I probably had more fun. on The Bachelorette, actually Yeah, you were more laid back And it wasn't all, you know, like It wasn't all about you, it was about it You know, you know, her, you guys And I can imagine it would have been fun Yeah, it was a blast

The jealousy aspect if you really love the girl It's just like, the guy comes back I had a great date Like, no, no, I don't want to hear No, no, no, after the day, it was even better. Yeah, it's true, it's true, man. And then being rejected on national TV He's got to get, you know,

Like being rejected, you know, over Texas, it's hard enough. Now, imagine on national TV with your friends and family, everybody watching. Yeah. Yeah, you know, the last, so when I, you know, I was, I guess I was five episodes in, and then I didn't get a rose, you know, I was like one of the last, I think we went down to six people and then went from six to four. And that's when I went home was when I went from six to four. And I remember, I was like, I was so bummed, but it was almost like I was bummed.

I don't know what I was more bummed about was I you know I was bummed to be leaving and like thinking I wasn't going to have I got such fomo you know but Ryan was actually my roommate so we were like bunkmates so I knew how crazy and love he was with Trista so it was kind of like God I hope he wins man you know in my mind I was like I hope he gets that last rose I had that similar experience I knew I thought my buddy was going to win it because I'm just like man I can tell these two they're in love and love and love and I think I went home like right right before hometowns as well. Yeah. Yeah, it was right before hometowns, yeah. Were you in love or not? Or was it just more of the moment kind of deal for anybody getting it together? For me?

Yeah, who? Andrew, I'm gonna ask you, I mean, I was in it. I definitely felt something. It was a, we had a really good connection and I feel like everything was so good that when you break up with someone, when everything is going so well, it kind of shocks you.

Like, what happened? What wasn't enough? Because we never had a bad moment. So that's what was weird for me. It was like, all our conversations were great. Our energy and our charisma towards each other was immaculate. It just was so weird that I was being sent home when everything was so good. I've never had it in my life.

I'm like, we're breaking up when nothing bad happened. Yeah. That's exactly how I was like, what did I do? So I think that's the worst part is when you go home. And all you can think about is what you could have done or what didn't you do? Were you really in love or what's that? So, like, there was a lot of questions afterwards. Yeah.

Bob, you sort of answered. You said you sort of missed the camarader of three of the guys as well. Yeah, I mean, I did. I really did. And what am I going to miss? There will be some fun things coming up that I'm not part of. Yeah. Well, you know, I was, it was interesting because we had,

Chris and I had more of a friendship connection than we did like a romantic connection. So it was kind of one of those things where when I was going home, I was bombed, man. Because I was like, man, I love hanging with her. And I love hanging with these guys, you know. So it was probably a little bit more of a mutual, you know, thing that I was missing out on for sure. Wait, did you. They said, hey, you want to be the bachelor? Do you have any idea what was going to happen?

Nah, they called me and they were just like, you know, well, you know, it was interesting because I started, you know, Oprah was a big fan of that season with Tristan. stuff, right? And so she got really into the show and started having me on, like, constantly as a guest. So there was probably like, I don't know, maybe 10 or 12 appearances on Oprah. And then she's like, I want Bob to be the next bachelor. I mean, she said it. You know, that was just, if Oprah wants you to be the bachelor, yeah, you got to be the bachelor. I got to tell you, man. I don't, I don't think I was probably the, you know, the creator of the show's first choice. I can tell you that much, but, you know, Oprah made itself.

And she didn't call me, she didn't have me on the show. I don't know. Because that would have been great. I would have loved to have met Oprah. I know, dude. She's awesome. She's so awesome. Yeah.

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Yep, yep. Right on. that all right i mean they just gel right together just looks looks like mom and dad right now yeah it does they seem like they really hit it off man yeah but i also think there's something to be said about doing like a near-death experience in your head like something you're terrified of you do it with someone you have like this all like the endorphins and this bond that happens i mean that's that's all the bachelor is is they put you in these moments where you create these bonds that you're never going to get with anyone

else. I know. It's so true. That's why you get it. Do you see the Heartbrakeye kid when they, when she goes scuba with the guy? Yeah. That's true. Yeah, there you go. That was it. She went with a scuba diver guy.

Yeah, I like these two together, man. Great movie, by the way. I haven't seen that movie in a long time. I love that movie, man. I love that movie, man. She's all sunburned. Yeah.

And Miranda, right? Miranda, like, let's play a part. She's the guy from Eastbound and Down. What's the guy's name? Danny McBride. Yeah, that guy's awesome. Yeah. Oh, he's so funny, man. It's hilarious.

Oh, man. That's nice. There it is. He's basically telling her that she's got the feels. yeah they see i i think you're right andrew they got a nice connection right there that's pretty they do and you know on those one-on-ones when they start talking and get a little bit deeper and you just know what's it what's the little trauma story or whatever the background story is and like you start hearing that that's when you know it's all fireworks it's a it's a wrap and then

she starts keep smiling in her interview that's when you know it's a that's true that's true yeah there's no sad face for her right now she's pretty That's a good ending for her. She seems like a really sweet girl. Oh, she's so fun. She's hilarious, too. And I'm sorry, how do you know her? I literally just met her last week at the Barbie premiere.

We were just, we just happened to be at the same thing. And introduce them, we just hung out. I was with there with Jojo and Jordan as well. They're really fun as well. So it was nice for a little bachelor hangout. It's actually really funny. when you go to these events I feel like Bachelor people just meet

I've never met these people before my life before being there but once Bachelor people meet they just stick together and they don't leave like that was our little group the whole time when we were at the event and it's like automatic right it's like automatic it's crazy I haven't met you but hey we're friends now

all right so Doughton gets the rose that's nice yeah she already gave them I just missed him yeah she just gave them the rose on the date that's nice and of course the hot tub gotta have the hot tub

you know what I was in my season it's it's a it's a staple you guys we were in Anchorage Alaska on my season and we're at this resort and they build a hot tub in the middle of nowhere much like this one it looks like yeah yeah and we're doing all this stuff and now we're going to get in the hot tub. And because of the audio, of course, they have this hot tub that's filled with water in Alaska, in the winter, and it's not warm.

No, they're never warm. They're never warm. They're never warm. We literally knew. We're like, okay, if we get in this hot tub, we're going to freeze our asses off. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to get in.

We're going to have a quick conversation, pour the champagne. Tink. Give them the kiss and let's get out. So on Paradise, I did Paradise. I had to get into a hot tub of margarita. I don't know why, but I was soaking in margarita. And we were like, all right, we got to get out of here as fast as possible. So we did that.

I felt like I got drunk because it was just seeping through my body. Seeping into your body. But yeah, that's what we did. Hot tub of margarita? Yeah. It had been sticking. Sticky, man. It was terrible.

It didn't go well for me. Just put it like that. Paradise is. did not do one. It sounds like a migrant. Yeah. All right. So these are all the guys?

These are the guys? Yeah. And this Brady guy just likes to put the band. He lost it, man. Great villain, though. We love a good villain. We respect it. Yeah.

You know, it's always somebody, man. I think these guys have seen that show so much over the years that they know. Okay, if I want to stand out, I'm either going to be, you know, with her or I'm going to be the bad guy. Yeah, but I mean, it's so different now with social media that I wouldn't, I wouldn't never want to be a villain. Because the DMs, people will shoot you. Like, you just don't want that kind of press. And then also, like, some guys try to be a villain that just doesn't work.

I think this is just naturally who he is. Like, the more natural guys, the better the villain story plays out. Yeah. And he does. You're right. He just seems like he is just a villainous villainous villain. Yeah, he's from San Diego. I feel like there's a lot of just villainous people in San Diego.

Is this like a Girl Scout troop rolling through? I don't know what's going on here. That is a Girl Scout troop. They're playing a trumpet or a bugle. So I think we missed a part, but I want to talk about it. So the guys were back at the house talking about, you know, charity basically. And they're like, you know, oh, man, I just want her, she always seems like she's on, like she's always the Bachelorette.

I want her to, I want to see what she's like when she's off. Dude, you don't have that luxury when you're the Bachelorette or the Bachelor, right? I mean, you got a lot of pressure on you to make sure that everyone's having fun, that everyone's engaged, that you're making good TV for that matter. So it's like you can't shut it down and not be the Bachelorette for 15 minutes. You know what I mean? Right. There's no time off.

It's just like, you know, being on the stage as a rock performer when, you know, the lights go out and you're on it. You've got to perform. And if you don't, I mean, you're in trouble and they will stop. So what's wrong with you? And I would stop a few times. It's like, I'm just not feeling it today. And they said, you have to feel it.

This is where you sign up for. I'm like, I know, just give me a minute to get to regroup and I'll get back. But yeah, people don't understand it's also, it's work. It's not just, you know, when you go on a date, there's no cameras around you, you can relax. But when you've got cameras on you, you know, you know. know you're part of this and it's hard to pretend you're not yeah yeah there's there's no chance to relax there's no redos there's there's no hey cut can we do that over again whatever you put out there whatever you say that's rolling so a rambi actually is pretty

resourceful in the woods that brayden dude was saying he wasn't i like that i like that brayden was wrong i'm rooting for brayden to fail on this thing So I haven't seen how it's going down between these two, but it seems to me like the errand do is actually nice, and the other one's kind of a knob. Yeah, I would agree. I'd like this guy. You think he's the billet up?

Yep. Yeah, I, I, this is too much for me. He does look like he just wants attention, right? he's like yeah yeah school that just won't be quiet in class yeah that's what he's doing he's got to stop talking he's trying to build a career out of this right

he wants to go in oh yeah that's what he's doing he's an exotic chef now do do less bro yeah do less was that who would you eat to survive who would you eat to survive he all said braden

braden you're right all right that's where bradden's got to say about this all right you guys let's get ready to pause this thing real quick we'll count it down there at the kissing tree yeah that's good on the count three ready one two three all right so let's kind of talk let's talk about what's going on right now so they're out there in the woods they're doing all this fun stuff this braiden dude is obviously you know he's got a problem with air and b right

i mean there's just yeah what is what it is i think he'd probably be like that with whomever they chose if it wasn't him but i think the fact that it was a rm b who's kind of already had issues with I mean, he's just, he's just tearing into him. I mean, it's crazy. It's like the kids, this is exactly what we were talking about. Like, Andrew, when you were on The Bachelorette, it's like, you got a choice. You can be sour grapes, right? Or you can be, you know, good with the guys and just be like, man, I just want more time with her.

How did you handle that? Was there anybody on the show, I mean, you don't have to name names, but anybody on the show that he were kind of like, man, I know why that dude again. No, I'm not going to lie to you. I did very well in group day. So I was usually on getting all the good answers and whatnot. But I do see the whole Brayden Aaron thing. You know, I think Braden just backs against the wall. And he obviously thinks so much of himself and to lose.

You do want to win every competition and that's fine. You get in that setting, it becomes very competitive. But at the same time, Aaron does do, he does do the cookie cutter, like answer. what's gonna what it's gonna get and sometimes that bothered me yeah i'm like a i'm like a half villain half nice so i like it to be in a little realistic um and a and and and sweet at the same time like brayden's just he's just in his own world and er is a little bit too too cookie card you think it's too nice you think irons too nice i don't think it's nice i think it's it's more of a you know the game you know you gotta play the play the the really

sensitive really in tune with his feelings type but I don't believe he's like that all a time so like that's the kind of thing like with some of these these guys you just know that that's not how they would respond if there wasn't cameras rolling so that's the right that's the kind of thing I get I get caught up in and I think um Braden's like that a little bit where you know he's giving answers he's trying to give answers that he would say actually um and sometimes they might come off they won't come off as great right what you think Lorenzo I think I mean Andrew has some good points there

I think Brain is is a little overreacting He is he knows he's the villain He knows what he's there for Yeah And I think they're complete opposite So they're they're meant to go after each other

Although brain's the one point all the punches Yeah And then I guess And then Aaron as Andrew said I think he's playing a little bit Trying to be the perfect gentleman Yes exactly But I'm telling you like

Like anybody that watches this show, like anybody that acts that way, there's no way they're that way 100%. There's another side to that person. Sure, sure. And he's not being his true self. Yeah. And it comes across that way. Yeah, exactly.

That's interesting, man. Maybe that's what Braden's responding to, huh? Yeah. I mean, he knows, Braden knows he's going big and knows he's getting attention for it. But yeah, you might be right. He might be responded to that and not thinking it's genuine. He knows exactly what he's there for. And he's going to continue it.

And, you know, the producers, like, enjoy that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they love that. Yeah, they're just loving it. The more drama, the more, the more hate between each other, the better the viewers are. Yeah, yeah, they get them all riled up. Like Andrew said, too, man.

I'm sure there's some people creeping into his DMs right now and not sending the nicest messages. Oh, I know it. I've actually seen, I think one of my buddies sent me, he had, like, had an apology, or not apology, but he had, like, something going on. Oh, it's just too high. I'll talk about it afterwards.

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Do you have to remember how this person kisses and this person kisses? I was a kissing machine back in the day, so I can tell you that, yeah, it can be a little awkward, you know, but it is true, though, like you immediately kind of either realize you have chemistry of that person or you don't, right? I mean, it's like, the second you start to kiss them, you're like, okay, this isn't good or, you know, this is what it is. And then if it's easy, it's easy, right? So, right?

I don't know how you did it. I was terrified to start making it out on camera right away. Really, it was like freaking me out because unlike a movie, you know, like as a paid actor, you know, whatever, it's a scene in the movie. Yeah. It's supposed to be reality. And I know my parents are watching my sister. My parents have never seen me make out with a girl.

My brother's never seen it. My great case absolutely hadn't seen it. I'm like, oh, my God. Now they're all going to watch me, make out with a girl. And then my sister had told me, hey, be careful when you kiss because the microphone's right underneath. Yeah, it's loud. It's loud. It's alive.

Like, exchange. And I was terrified. But then once I did it, I was like, all right, I just got to keep doing it. And I just wanted it to look at. That's all. That's funny. Aaron and Brady are going at it again. Yeah, he keeps going.

I think that's a valid concern, you know? Yeah. You are kind of in this weird situation, so you don't know how you're going to feel at the end of this thing. So to be like someone who would be like, oh, yeah, I'm definitely going to propose at the end of this. It's like, how do you know? You know?

Well, at the same time, though, you do know what you're signing up for. That's true. And that's the biggest argument to all of it is, I get you want to, like, I don't know if I'm ready to get on me. I was like, all right, well, you're on The Bachelor. I mean, like, it's different if it's like a real-life scenario. Like, it's meant to be sped up. So I think you have to understand what you're in for.

That is true. A lot of things haven't changed, Bob. You know that that's exactly the producers, man. You got to get down here. All right, you've got to go in now. Got to go in now. All right. leaning into it oh wow he's leaning into it man I think he's got to stay right he's

entertaining if I were her I would just I would just let him stay just because he's entertaining for a couple more weeks you know and I think by by week four you already start having feelings and you probably know the top like you know four or five people you want yeah others were just like I take him on for the ride and you know see you what happens and you know make a good shot of it right yeah yeah that's how i would do it i mean honestly i know brayton's the villain but he didn't shrink he didn't shrink away from them you know telling her she packed he packed his bags and everything else and he owned it at least so far yeah i guarantee he owns it right now yeah yeah but it's this is the uh this is the reverse psychology uh

He's using it over here. The old takeaway. Yeah, yeah, I'm telling you exactly what, and there's nothing new. So honestly, it's really off the charity to just be like, all right, well, you've told me the red flags. This is what I'm here for. You got to go. And that's as simple as that. But he's trying to use the, I've been honest with you all the time.

Yeah. So, yeah, it's smart, but also, you know, to the right. It's manipulative. It's manipulative, yes. Very. I think she, she's got to make a. move here. She's going to see the right things and she's going to keep them.

Mm-hmm. I think Lorenzo's right. Well, I think Andrew already knows. So he's, he's keeping quiet for us. That's nice. I just, as a guy, I couldn't have so much real estate thinking about some other man. And not, you know what I mean? It's a little bit insecure in your own relationship.

I think that that's where I differ from like all these conversations that these guys are having. I would not like to partake. Because I'm losing time right now with her because we're worried about telling on him. So, like, control what you can control, right? Stay in your lane, focus on yourself. Focus on yourself. And that's where everyone starts to lose is when they try to be the night and shining armor.

Yeah, like they're going to save her, you know. Yeah. Here we go, Zelle. I will tell you this, though. I mean, when I was The Bachelor, I remember some of the girls were kind of against this one girl. And she was really smart. She basically said, she's like, this is kind of where the whole, I'm not here to make friends things started.

And she basically said that. She's like, I didn't come here to be friends with them. And the reason they don't like me and they're talking bad about me is because I'm here for you. And it was like, it was the right thing to say to me at that time because I was like, oh, okay. No, she met that or not. But I remember thinking of myself, oh, that's awesome. Okay.

Yeah, I love that. That's a perfect thing to say. I'm here for you. Of course. They should have figured it out. And they're mad. They don't like me because they sense our connection and they're, you know, they're jealous. That's kind of the play, right?

Is what they, you know, like, wow, she's probably right, you know. That's it. So what just happened? What did he say? He kicked him to the curb. Oh, wow. Now this guy's leaving? I think so.

Wow. All right, I'm wrong. Unless he comes back. He'll come back, dude. Come on, this guy is not going to go quietly into the night. You kidding me? Oh, man. Oh, see there?

Foreshadowing. The door wasn't closed all the way shut. He's coming back. He's going to just show up on, you know, some one-on-one date next week and ask for five minutes of her time. That's my prediction. How do you think the guys are going to feel about this one? I think they're going to be jacked.

man good for her most i mean i think most people keep around keep that toxic person around way too long man she cut them out see see this happened in my season though uh they beat they voted a guy off the island pretty much uh okay Thomas um Thomas Jacobs which which is now he's engaged and had the baby on the way to Becca Cooper in a former bachelor at oh yeah so and people just didn't get to know who he was. He's a nice human being alive, but people didn't see that or felt that way on our show, and he

towed him off the, like, and that's why I'm like, you don't know when someone really truly, you're just going off of, and he had the whole idea of, I'm not here to make friends. And, you know, they were like, no, he's not here for the right reasons. And someone would ask him, like, if you weren't, if you didn't win, would you want to be the bachelor? And he said, yeah, I'll be the

bachelor. And then they took it and ran with it. And they told on him. Yeah. Yeah. He got booted off. And I'm like, this guy, I thought he was the frontrunner at the time. I was like, well, I mean, but he's a, they were so wrong about him, completely wrong about him. Well, you know, it is kind of funny. Like when people say, like, you know, you're here for the right reasons. There's a period of time where I was like, and what exactly are the right reasons to go on a dating game show?

That's a great. Like, what are they? I don't know. Yeah. I love the show and I love the format and I love all of it. But it is, you know, when you say that, like, what are the right reasons? I don't know. Yeah.

I mean, you know what's going to happen after show. It will possibly happen. So, like, don't be naive, you know. Right. Right. I think the big difference between when Bob and I did it, it was that social media wasn't what it is now. So we missed that big social media of following our hatred, which I think would have been fun one way or the other, right? Bob just having all of a sudden a lot of people following and caring what you do.

Yeah. When I did it, Facebook was around, but it was really for high school people. So if I was on it, I was like, you know, like, hey, what are you going to high school people? I'm like, I'll get off right away. Like, I don't know what's going on. But yeah, we missed all that. Yeah. Yeah.

We also miss sort of the hate too, right? Because there's a lot of hate. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's definitely 50-50. It's a blessing of course. Yeah. So there was nothing. There was no social media when I did. I think MySpace was around or something like that. I mean, you guys, 2003, man, 2002, 2003. So it's like, you know, when you look back on the way back then, I mean, I got lucky that there was no social media because I think I would have just gotten crushed. And I, and I am the type of person too. And I've said this before. Someone can say 100 nice things on there. And I won't even phase me. I'll see one bad thing. And I'm like, oh, what are they talking about? Like, it's in my head, you know.

And then now, like with video cameras and pictures, you could be just living your regular day life and be out with somebody that you could be on a date with. And then everyone knows that you're on a date with this person. And I'm like, ah, oh, never mind if you're gone. So, like, that's a, you know, there's a lot of stuff you don't know about being in this world in space now. That's true, man. I don't remember any of the good things they said, but there were message boards, Bob.

And, like, I do remember the one thing I remembered. I think I told you this one spoke last time. It was one that said, if Lorenzo is an ex-bacher, I'm going to be a lesbian. Oh, my God. That's so good. I don't remember anything nice. I remember just that one. I'm like, wow, okay.

We should check in on it right now. Just see, you know, how that's going for it. Yeah. But did you guys do it 100% to, find the person or where you're... Absolutely. 100%. Yeah.

I feel like that's just how you do life in general. My mom's always told me like, if you're going to do something, you better go all out and do it. I think, and I've always been a big experience guy. So it's like, this is going to be an amazing experience that not everyone can say they've done. And I'm like, why would I go out there and not be true or be true to myself doing it? So that's kind of my thought process when I went in through it. Yeah, I was all about the experience, too, man.

I wanted to, I just, I was like, I don't want to say no to something that, you know, I could meet the love of my life here, you know, literally here. You never know, right? Exactly. Yeah. I was the same way, meaning that I did it 100%. And I said, listen, if I find a person that I, you know, I can't live without it. I have no problem getting married.

But, you know, I always. also said, hey, if this helps promote what I do, even better, right? I was like, because I don't need to go on it. Like, none of us need to go on a dating show to find love. But if it happens, great. But if I were to say, hey, I did it 100% because I want to get married on the show, I'd be lying. I'm like, listen, I'm open to it.

If you find me, the love of my life, I'm in. But I also want to promote what I do. Yeah. You know, and I'm very honest about it because... Well, you had your own brand. You developed your own brand. Yeah. Well, yeah, you become a brand yourself.

You market yourself. So it's almost like even if you don't get married on the show or somebody's going to see who you are and you'll be like, hey, that's a great guy, blah, blah, blah, and they reach out to you. So I think that's kind of also you have in the back of your head. You never know who's watching or who might reach out. Oprah might see you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm on the show.

So I think... That's true, man, you never know. Yeah, and it did open up a lot of doors, you know? Like all of them, you go to restaurants, they let you right in, you get invited to events you wouldn't get invited to. You started charity and people back to. It was great on, you know, on many fronts, but, you know, I was always honest, like, listen, if they find me the perfect girl, I got no problem.

But if not, it's going to be a great experience. Yes, exactly, yeah. Did we just see him back again? So they showed He is definitely coming back Buddy, they teased it She's getting ready to go on a one-on-one date With Xavier now

Okay Yeah, so this is my other front-runner You like this one You like this guy? Yeah, I like this guy as well She seems to like him too He's also like six Six-10

How tall is she pretty tall? She's like, she's like 5-5 maybe 5-4 Okay So she says he's boyfriend material she's not sure if he's husband material interesting oh wow yeah sure he didn't like hearing that what's her background is it because a lot of things seem to be outdoor nature is that's is that her is that what she does is i have no idea i think however they landed in

washington i mean is she from the state of washington i'm wondering no because that would be her hometown technically i don't think um when we did it and rob i assume they did the same thing they asked you what you like right what your hobbies are what you want to do and then you give them a whole list of things no way so that's why i was thinking maybe she's into nature and i don't know why i've no idea but it looks that way well i know now they have like a really big like team that event plans and and they go out and search for date spots and places. So I don't know how much of it anymore is their preference. Yeah, my guess is that they're picking places that maybe has a tourism board involved, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come to state of Washington, it's beautiful, you know. Yeah. So she's not words of affirmation. That's not her love language. Yeah, words of affirmation is not her love language. sure. I mean, what, you know, I get it. Like, she doesn't want it to be a superficial connection, but it's like, man, you want to know that someone attracted to you. He's just basically saying,

I think, I think it's beautiful, you know. Question, as a lead, do you tell everyone the same stories? Yeah, no, I mean, you know, the conversations would go where they go, right? So, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think if, but it's funny that you say that because, you know, like that. You have to explain this same story to another guy? Or who do you pick and choose to tell certain things to? Right. Or are you just like a recorder just saying and repeating the same thing? That's interesting.

It's a tough one. I think the hardest part I had was the first night. There were 27 girls that showed up and you've got to say hello to each one, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, how am I going to say hello differently? What am I going to ask him that I didn't ask? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's tough. actually thinking too much about it that you don't even see what's going on in front of you. Like, that's, I miss that the first night. How much do you retain, as well? How much are you retaining, like, do you remember from like, like, during the day when you're meeting all these people and knowing all their stories? Like, is there someone that, like, helps you remember the story? Like, oh, wow.

I didn't have anybody coaching me through anything. But I'll tell you, so, I mean, this was back in the day. So we didn't have all the, you know, the grand entrances that have. everybody has now, like when they get out, you know, there's nobody riding up on a horse. There's nobody, you know, wearing a costume. I mean, it was just, it was basic. And I'll never forget this guy named Russ Woods. Russ was the only one that brought a gift.

And he brought her, like, this gift from Tiffany's. And we were all like, oh, damn, man. That guy, I do that. He's making us look bad. But it was, it was funny because it was like one of those things that we were all sort of like, I wish I would have done that. I wish I would have thought about that. I didn't know I could do it, but he was just the type of dude who didn't ask if he could do it.

He just did it, you know? Yeah, that's good. Did he win in touch? No, no, he sure didn't. He actually was the villain. I mean, sadly, it's sad to true, but he kind of came off, I guess, a little more villainous than others. But he's a good guy. I've got, you know, we remained in contact over the years.

Yeah, I'll tell you, on the first night when I had 27 girls, I did ask him. I said, listen, you guys just threw. me in with 27 girls like I need I need you to remind me their names and what everyone does and I knew like I had maybe 12 that I remembered but there was so much going on and said all right and they actually showed me pictures names and what you know and their background I'm like okay but there was no way I could remember them all and then had them lined up for for the rose ceremony and remembered all their names have you ever confused someone else's story with someone else didn't I think in in you know since I moved on I I have and in off camera but um during the show I

you know I was like I pretty much knew everything and I was also briefed a lot before the day it's like okay so that's what I was wondering if you guys were like oh this is okay perfect yeah so it was you know sort of like a recap okay good good good well you do an ITM before you before you go on the date and then you'd do one afterwards right so you'd be like today absolutely on a hot air balloon ride with debby and and so you would kind of talk about each of them with the producer so it was a little more fresh you know when you got you yeah yeah i remember my bachelorette i mean my my season had the craziest stories like background stories uh i mean like some incredible guys they went through some crazy trauma and i'm like

How do you remember and be able to retain and remember which one that had this or that? It was just, it was crazy. I gave her the world of props because she did an amazing job handling that and just kind of like resigning with everyone. So it was cool. Yeah, it makes you feel good when people remember your story too, you know? Yeah, exactly. So I didn't know how that was tough or not for you guys. Yeah, I mean, I still remember a lot of stuff about all the girls.

like, you know, the different girls on my season and stuff, but, you know, the ones that went home the first night, you know, really, that's tough, right? Because you kind of don't really remember as much about them. You didn't have as much time with them. I mean, there were like three girls that I don't even know if I talked to them on the first night. So you end up sending them home. And then you're like, man, I was, I found her attractive. I wish I would have gotten a chance to talk to. Yeah. When did you know, Bob, who you're going to pick? How far You know, I got to be honest with you, towards the end of my season, I was really torn between the two girls that were my final two. But it came down to me just trying to figure out who I thought I had the better opportunity, the better chance to make it work with.

And that was probably more about, sad to say, but more about her age than anything else. Like the one girl was only 23 at the time and the other one was like 27 and I was 30, whatever. And so I was like, you know, I feel like we just have more in common, you know, but, you know, obviously it, uh, it didn't end up working out anyway. So I mean, to that end, you know, it wasn't a real, uh, you know, scientific process. Do you know before the overnight? Uh, no. I was still sort of, I was still sort of trying to figure it out, you know, so. Well, there you go. Uh-oh. Something sinister is going to happen. back he's back with flip-flops yeah the flip-flops are crazy there he is oh my gosh he's back see this is this to me also is it's a little too extra i think just let him go i agree let him

walk out and if john wants to say something that's fine john goes i think aaron is just trying to throw himself in it just wants to get a little bit of it just makes no sense if he also thinks that she's not to remember what they spoke about and what they did that's not i mean and if she likes him she's going to remember things right yes exactly his biggest complaint was that yeah she's not remember he ruined my time with her i'm like that's not true she likes you she likes you she likes you she likes you and that's what that's the whole thing it's like it's very insecure with their relationship And it does, I mean, it sucks that time happens or you lose time. But I think they were losing time way before the Braden thing.

Like, if they didn't tattle, then none of this would have happened. And then they would have had a fair chance to choose who she wanted to choose. Well, this is good for TV. This is good TV, I will say. It's a show. It's a show. This is definitely, they're giving exactly what we want. All right, here we go.

a lot there's only three roses left yeah so she gave out a group day one and she gave out two one-on-ones all right so let's do this real quick let's pause right now before this rose ceremony okay so three two one all right so let's talk about Braden coming back right

we made the bet we took the over under on it and we won we knew this coming but man fireworks did anything like that happen on your season Andrew sort of sort of not in that in that light like we yeah actually it did happen

with Thomas everyone thought he was gone and he came back yeah multiple time this thing happened to us our whole season was riddled with oh we're going to tell on this person he's a villain and then we had a guy come in late in the middle of the season who wanted to talk

to our our bachelorette so we had a wild yeah we had a we had a guy who was on a past season come in midway so oh that is crazy yeah that's the kind of stuff that that didn't happen back in our day lozo oh once they were gone they were gone and they may yeah no it was formulaic it was a little more formulaic back then for sure any anything goes now you just never know what's going to happen I know man these dudes are wild cards I think it's crazy You just missed a little bit of a fight too. Aaron got into it with Braden again because he stole time from John.

Yeah, I was still able to see that part of it where he was basically like, you know, hit the card, slam on the gas. I don't know what he was saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, punch the gas. It didn't sound as tough as I think he wanted it to. He's like, go roll up the window, man. Roll up your window and hit the gas. All right, let's get back at it and see what she's got going on.

So how many people she's sending home the night? She's sending home. She's got three roses. So I think two or three. She's going to have two? How many roses are left, two? No, three or left? So then like she's sitting home too, I think.

I think she's staying home. Wait, no, she sends home four. That dude with a goatee, has he ever even talked to her? I honestly I have no idea I don't feel like he has I've always in two episodes I can't answer that either

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or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. He only has one left. One left. So you think Scarf Boy's gone? It's got to be Scarf Boy. I don't think he's gone. No, Scarf stays.

Scarf stays? Yeah. Yeah, those other characters, they haven't even gotten to talk to her. But they're going to be all bitter and full of hate over that. Scarf Boy. Scarf Boy. I mean, he does look like he's in, he looks like he's in Washington. Like he's got the scarf on.

I've actually met him too randomly. He was in L.A. at some point. He's a nice guy. Scarf or no scarf? Yeah, when you mad, he was wearing a scarf? No scar. No scar. No scar.

Yeah, no. That's awesome. he's all that guy oh he's breaking down oh he's a pro wrestler you guys ever cry I have in my life yeah I'm talking about on the show

no not on the show I held it together unfortunately I did ah my man Lorenzo you you cried on the show yeah it was for other there was a lot of stuff going on and

so I got like emotional at the end And then I really did feel bad for for the girls at the eye, you know? Yeah. They did invest this time and you have this, you know, and they think they're being picked and you show them an engagement ring and then you break up with them in front of everybody. Yeah. I mean, it is brutal.

You know, people think, oh, it's not a big deal. I'm like, when you're there, I mean, it's a big deal and it was. Yeah. Yeah. I always hated the rose ceremonies because they were the hardest thing to do. People are like, oh, it's not a big deal. I'm like it actually is because, you know, it seems like it's a show. But at that point, it seemed pretty real.

Well, it is. I mean, at that point, you really know these people and you don't feel like that. You know their background stories, their family, sometimes even meet their family. Yeah, no, it's definitely real. It's tough. Andrew, did you cry? I'm notorious for it. I can't hold these tears back, man.

I love it. My face just leaks. Sensitive, man. I like that. Yeah. I never did until I got, because I played pro football and football. I always had to tough it out. As soon as I get on this show, I'm talking about things.

I'm like, what is my face doing this? What is this happening with my eyes watering? I just started crying. And now I'm like, well, it's good. I feel like I get a lot out now. Like, I feel healthier for it. Yeah. There you go.

This is the stress and attention for me. I was like, all right, I've just got all this built up or just let it out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I definitely had some moments, but I don't think I, I don't think I broke down. Oh, man. Oh, there's some good stuff coming up, guys. I'm liking the sizzle reel.

You guys are going to tune in next week? Absolutely. I don't have to start watching it now. Lorenzo's back on the Bachelor Bandwagon. I like it. I will say, one of my favorite things about. the bachelor's, they're, they're trailers. Whoever does the trailers does a fantastic job.

Yeah, they produce romance really well, man. There's no question. I think my, uh, and I'm biased, but I, I still, like, my boys will, uh, from my season will randomly send, like, just look at this trailer, guys. Like, how crazy was this? Like, the build up of ours. And I'm like, I don't know who made this, but this is a cinematic masterpiece. Dude, I'm just liking that they're bringing in Sasquatch.

We've got Bigfoot coming back. I like that. Jesse's hilarious. Is that him dressed up as Bigfoot? Yeah. That is funny, man. Well, that was really good. I appreciate you guys joining me.

I mean, this is, you know, my first episode of the OG. So we're back with Almost Famous. And thank you guys for being our guest today and for going through the show. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having us. Let's get your picks. but like I said I'm going to go with Doton or

Xavier those are my two picks it's out of those two I'm going I'm going with the wild car I'm going with Scarford I think he's going to step it up you think Scarfoy's going to bring it home yeah and Anderson he's a nice guy

so I think it's either going to be Xavier or Aaron B that's what I'm thinking and I'm going to I'm going to go with Joey for Bachelor oh interesting that's an interesting choice well I appreciate your time

guys. Thank you so much for joining us. It was a lot of fun. And tune in next week, man. We're going to have to wait and see what happens. But I have a feeling that Braden will come back one more time. What do you guys think? I think he's done. He'll be there. All right, man. Take care of you guys. Have a good way. All right. See you. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phyllis.

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