The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OGs: Back to the Beginning with Shannon Oliver

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

Our Bachelor Nation OGs Bob Guiney and Trista Sutter reconnect with Shannon Oliver from the very first season of The Bachelor! Find out what really went on during the early days of the show, hear how Shannon helped influence Trista’s one-on-ones during her season, and Shannon reveals who was there for the WRONG reasons!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bob Guinea here with the beautiful Trista Stutter. Trista, who do we got on the show today? We have Shannon Oliver, who I'm so excited to talk to. If you don't remember that name, she was on the very first bachelor with me. she was I think we were roommates actually and then she got to be part of Bachelorette too so we're gonna we're gonna hear what's up with her what's up with her life

if she still watches the show what she loved about being on the show all that good stuff so excited I love Shannon I know same same so let's bring in Shannon hi Bob how are you today Trista Sutter I'm great thank you hey I like your new background where are you Where are you coming to fly from? This is my dining room. Kitchen's over here, living room.

You know, just trying to change it up. Here she is. We've got Shannon Oliver. Shannon Oliver, everybody. You don't age. You don't age. Guys, stop it. I literally was trying to think back to how old I was.

And I was like, oh my gosh, no, I can't. I can't even go that far back. I was trying to think back to how old I was. I love the way you put that. I try to forget how old. I am pretty much daily. And at my age, I do forget those things. I forget where my car keys are, where my car is, where I live, who I am.

How old is your youngest? He is two and a half. He'll be three, well, I guess he's two and three quarters. He'll be three in July. Okay. So you win. You have the youngest child out of all of us. Isn't that crazy?

I'm sure out of me. For next week. Oh, my gosh. I love it. You're born to be a mom. I feel like you are just such a great personality and demeanor and temperament and everything to be such a great mom. My kids might disagree with you. So for those of you who do not remember, Shannon was on the very first bachelor season with me.

And we have remained friends since she's actually come out to Colorado with her family. I got to meet. Did I meet both boys then? Were they both born? I just had Jack. Okay. Yes. Okay.

So we've stayed in touch and as I've said on here numerous times, I feel like the connections to the people who have been on the show are, you know, I mean, obviously, I met my husband and that's pretty amazing. But the connections that I may have made with other people are, you know, a close second. And so that includes you, obviously, Shannon. But it's been a while. We haven't seen each other. It's been way too long.

So funny. You know, schools have mystery readers. And so you always like take your kids' favorite books up there. Jack always wants me to take that book that you gave him. And you had like the artist like draw a picture, like sign it. When I was a boy, when I was a boy, I dreamed is what it's called. It has speakers, a mouse in it. Yes. Oh my gosh. It's funny. I send that to almost everyone. Bob, I have to send it to you too. I don't know if I sent you one. Obviously, if you don't know what it is. I would say you didn't because no one sends me anything as we've talked about this week a few times. People will come on the show and they're like, you know, promoting their book and Trissa will go, I will tell you, I read it. I love it. Thank you so much for having sent it to me autographed with a $500 bill in it. And I'm like, well, that's so weird because I must have gotten left off.

off that mailing list again. Stop it. No, this is not my book. This is just a book that I sent to Shannon when she had Jack. So I need to send you. It's amazing. But that makes me so happy that he picks the book. I love it.

Loves it. I mean, still. So Bob, your kids would love it too. They're like at the perfect ages for this book. Yeah. I would love that. You know, I would love to have something to read them,

given the fact that today, this is going to show the shortcomings of me as a dad. Uh, you know, my wife's out of town. So, uh, I had to get the boys ready for school this morning. And it's show and tell day. And it always goes by the alphabet, you know, and so grace and says, Daddy, today's end. And I'm like, oh, okay, and I'm looking around the house. And I, and I'm like, oh, here we go, perfect. I threw a box and nilla wafers in his bag. And I go, this, this is excellent. It kills two bears with one stone buddy. You take this in, you hold it up, and then you give it out as your snack. That's true.

He's going to be a hero for the day. This is how dad brains work. I'm like, Yeah, I love it. It's either a fistful of nickels or it's a nilla wafer. A fistful and nickels. Well, you mentioned it. Shannon was meant to be a mom and has since after Jack had another boy, she's a boy, mom.

But you do it so well for anyone who wants another follow on Instagram, follow Shannon for all of her stuff. Like you not only work, but you are like, go get our fundraiser, it seems like, either for school or community and super involved in your school, obviously mom and doing all the things at home, how do you do it? You know, you're asking me this and like behind my phone, all I see is like yellow and blue. It is a sea of minions. Cooper's birthday party. Like as a boy mom, I wanted a girl. Like, I'm very girly. I like all of everything, girly.

tea parties. And when I found out we were pregnant with Jack, I actually cried. I cried sad tears because he was a boy and not a girl. And I'm like, I don't even with a boy. But for me, I got boys that let me indulge in all of my party planning. And they not only let me indulge, but they embrace it. So Cooper's turned into party diva. um he like so mom what party prep did you do last night granted he's turning four parties in a part and i feel like i should have just rented out a venue at this point because he keeps adding everything to it we've got minions popsicles today he woke up and he was like i want a snow cone truck i'm like we already popsicles we don't need a snow cone truck and like but that should work on today mom

and i'm like oh my gosh i love i love that he said What party prep have you done, Mom? Let's talk. Not my mom. No, I love your mom. It's like, what did you do last night for my party? I didn't know a little notebook. You know, Mom, I'm going over my notes.

And the party prep seems to be lacking this year. That's funny. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. You know, my wife is a boy mom also, of course. We have two boys. And we're five and two.

and a half are the ages. And she's kind of, you know, I think, I think it sort of comes to the territory for people because, you know, you and she have very like similar, you know, very organized and very well, like everything's put together and, you know, just very sweet and kind people. And so she is always on the party planning tip as well. So that's why I felt like such a loser today when I was like getting him ready for school. And I'm like, my wife would have had like a duffel bag full of accoutrements and on snack day it would not have been the show and tell item also being dispersed as a snack it would have been like you know i don't know it would have been nutella if that's even allowed in a school i don't know because i'm a dad right but if it were

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It wasn't the mansion that they have now, of course. But when we had that and we got the date box, back then it was a date box. Right. And we got a box and all of us are huddled around this velvet, this beautiful. I don't know if it was a box or an envelope, up at this point, but it had an HW on it. And everyone is like, HW, HW.

And I was like, Harry Winston, I figured it out. And I was like, oh, my gosh, who's going on a date that revolves around Harry Winston? It was Shannon. She got the very first of anyone, of anyone in the franchise princess date. So amazing. That was one of my favorite, like, memories. And, of course, I was super jealous. everyone was fair that was an amazing date and i think like you and i come from such a different place

because everything was brand new like we never knew what next we literally had no clue and like you said you know it used to be a box like yes you i remember for my overnight date i think when there was four of us left i got this huge gold box and it was full of like fake snow and earmuffs like that's how they told us what we were going to do and now they get like it's totally different but i kept that stuff for the longest time i think i finally got i still have do you i still have i have my harry winston box because that was pretty amazing that's pretty awesome where did you go you went to obviously you went to harry winston but didn't you get like dressed up in dresses didn't you get to pick out a gown i think it was a scotta i don't even know if that store's still in business

yeah yeah yes oh it was so much fun okay so what was one of your favorite memories from the show i think oh my gosh i mean to pick one would be near impossible but like you said like it was like we i don't even think like now people know what to expect like you have a total different framework going into the show now than we did back then we didn't even know what was going to happen in five minutes let alone for the whole entire six weeks that we were gone I think is that we did become friends in that environment. Now I think it's easier because they know the whole deal. Like the guy's going to pick one or all.

Like you are probably going to go on Bachelor in Paradise with most of the people in the house. You might as well get to know them because you're going to be with them again. Like none of that existed. So the fact that all of us became friends and stayed friends, I think says a lot that, you know, we were really just in it for the guy back then. you're not in it, trying to get Instagram followers, trying to get like some, you know, product sponsorships. Gosh, can you imagine if that was around back then? Trista, you'd be like a billionaire. I know, right? So when, uh, when Sally Ann later went on to create Jersey Shore,

and I remember saying to her one time, I was like, if you would have monetized us the way you monetized the Jersey Shore people, we would all be in a pretty good spot, you know? It was crazy. But yeah, you're absolutely right. No, you could. There was a. there was no social media back then what would we have done i mean you know and even the whole like remember trista do you remember this like we had a notebook and we passed the notebook secretly around and everyone wrote their phone numbers in it so we could oh my gosh yes i think i still have that actually um oh my gosh i want to see it so i remember afterwards like it was very weird they're like you can't talk to anyone about this like no one can and they threatened like

they threatened us to like our lives ending if we told anyone so i was here to even tell my family and i trista and i was like i'm just going to reach out to trista i have her phone number no one knew i had her phone number um so i called and i left a message on your answering machine because we didn't even have a cell phone we are so oh my gosh and you couldn't text you're right i had an answering machine I can picture it right now, too, my answering machine. That is so funny. I think that maybe it was your mom or someone. And they told legal that I had reached out and legal called me.

And they were like, maybe it wasn't your mom. I'm like, my mom wouldn't have done that. But it wasn't your mom. But maybe they told me it was your mom because you know how that works. So like we know. Of course. Yeah. Right.

And so literally they were threatening me with legal action. And now I feel it's not everyone to talk. They want little spoilers to get out. I know. I remember that time was so different. I mean, I was right after you guys. And of course, you know, I got a little bit of legal wrangling for having a record deal. When I went on the show, I already had a record deal.

And now they bring people on there. And they're like, you know, serenator with your guitar, Jimmy. It's like, you know, these guys go on the show and they're like all of a sudden, and I'm like, I didn't even sing on the show. Like, what are you guys talking about? But it was crazy. I didn't know you got in trouble for that or like.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'll talk. Well, you can talk offline about that one, but it was major. I had no idea. Well, that just is, it's a different, totally different show. Yeah.

Totally different with social media. Well, now they don't even take the phones away. Now they want everyone posting, you know, if they're on a group date and stuff like that. Well, but I think they still take their phones away because I just read that Maria, who was on Joey's season, this most recent one, she was asked to be Bachelorette, and she, one of her demands was, who knows if this is true or not, of course, right? So one of her demands supposedly was that she wanted to keep her phones. So I know that they take away their phones, but what they do is they give them or producers take pictures with their phones or they get, Like, I don't know if they get like some kind of like disposable or something like that where they have them take pictures.

I know, I know that much. They definitely don't have their phones. But what they do have is direct access to everybody who has an Instagram account because all you have to do is DM somebody and you can read and you can reach out. So we had no way of getting in touch with with each other except for writing secretly in our little. oh my gosh that is hysterical so do you think Shannon that you would be able because I have been asked this question if social media were had been around back then would I still done the show and I don't know if I would have because I am so super freaking sensitive that I don't know that I could take all of the judgment that strangers just like to

spew you know spew for the message boards ABC used to have like chat boards and that broke me and I can't remember there's name

shoot I'm totally blinking I could have told you if I wasn't trying to tell you but anyway I was like taking me to the airport and she was like whatever you do just don't get online

and don't read like message boards just don't read them she was like stay away from them of course then I got like what's a message that's what I did too they're like don't look at the message boards I dove in I didn't even know there was a message board human we're human you're going to do that and Shannon if you're anything like like I know Tristan and I've had this conversation before but

you would see like a million nice things right and you'd be like oh that's nice that's nice then one person would be like I don't like her bangs what are wrong with my bangs you know or like for me it would be like I don't like his laugh what the hell's wrong with my laugh I can't change my laugh. I mean, it was like I would obsess about the mean stuff and not even recognize all the nice stuff, you know? Yeah, 100%, which is so sad. It's those little tiny and then my caps were fat. I mean, just like, it's like, okay, but you and now looking back, obviously like we were all a lot younger when we did this. That felt, you felt it a lot more. I don't know what else to say. I'm older now. I have like a bigger reference point. I've got children.

I feel differently about things in life. But that was all I had back then. Yeah. Well, and like you said before, there was nothing like it previously. So it's the first time that someone, I mean, I remember having this conversation with a friend of mine who was one of the executive editors of us weekly. And they would just do all these kind of like what we would now call clickbait, right? But they would like make statements on the cover. And I'm back to my normal life.

You know, the show hasn't even aired yet. And I'm like at, you know, at Kroger. And I'm like seeing a cover of a magazine with my face on it. And they're like saying mean things about me. I'm like, what, what's going on? You know, you weren't ready to be plucked from obscurity. And then all of a sudden be someone who is being put under a magnifying glass and just dissected by all these people behind a keyboard. You know, it just, it was tough.

You weren't prepared. Yeah. And now girls have a problem with like something that happens or the format of the show. I'm like, well, you should know better. Like, what are we on like? season 28 or something. Don't be stupid. And don't act like you've never seen the show before.

Yeah, I didn't know I was going to come on and someone else who's going to be dating him. But you're not going to do your research and actually watch the show before, even if you've never watched it before. You're not applying to be on the show if you've never watched it before. Absolutely. Yeah. And you know the way it works too. You know there's 30 people dating the same dude or 30 guys dating the same girl for that first

night. It's like, come on, man. you know if you can't handle it but you know what i think that's a play too though shannon i think a lot of these people go on the show and say that so they get the attention for it and then they now they're like okay now i can now i've got something to you know beat the drum too i'm the first one that said it just like the whole you know i'm not here to make friends thing became a a thing right and it was like it's like what are you there for like what are the right reasons to go on a dating game show i mean you're there to potentially meet somebody but ultimately

wouldn't it be great to meet 30 people from across the country that you would have never met otherwise? Oh, awesome. I know. Like what Tristan said. Yeah, that's my favorite part from ours is like us, because we still have that. I still talk a lot from the first season.

And I don't feel, I mean, now how many people have been on The Bachelor, like 8 million because there's been so many. But back, someone understood, and you could never understand if you hadn't been on it. And so we had, like, hazed together, you know, like we went through the situation that no one would get if you hadn't done it. So I think that helped us, like, bond together, too, because we got it, like, and we got the mean messages and, oh, my gosh, do y'all remember, like, all those auction, like, the Bachelor auctions that they would do after the show? Yes. Well, maybe you didn't, because you went right onto the Bachelorette.

But for those of us who weren't, like, super. they would like Chris Harrison's mom even did one where you would go and someone would pay a lot of money to this charity and then y'all would go on like a group dinner together like it wasn't anything like yeah yeah right did you do that yes we I met a ton of people from the other seasons after us from those because they would do like us and then the second season us and the third season so that like and it was put on by ABC people by the producers like they would coordinate it It was put on by, like, charities, people trying to raise money for their... Oh, okay. Yeah. They should do that now. I mean, the charities would make a whole lot of money if they did that with all kinds of reality shows. They'd make a lot more now than because there was no way to really promote them before.

It was just like local, you know, for the people who would... Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That's so funny. I mean, I know that we had little reunions like Jesse Sinsack. I feel like planned so many of those. And I feel like we went to a couple.

Right? You did one. Didn't you go? Yeah. Right. It was in Colorado. Right. Yes.

Brackenridge. You're shipping, right? Yes. And we had the spa day. And then the chef. Oh my gosh. Wasn't there one on a cruise ship? I remember there being one on a cruise ship that I wanted to go on and I couldn't go.

Oh, yeah. Plenty of that. I think there was. I feel like multiple. Yeah. Right. Oh my gosh. That's so funny. Who do you still stay in touch with? I had to like scan my brain. I'm like, Jesse. Who's Jesse? I know there's a

Jesse, the honest person. Yeah. I think he did one in Vegas. We did. Well, the first one was in Vegas. I remember the first one. That's when I met you, Shannon, was I met everybody at that first one in Vegas at the Hard Rock. I met you. No, you met. She met you on my season. Oh, no, I know, but it was, this was, while I was off the Bachelorette, but the Bachelor, your season of the way, I was on, oh, that's right, I didn't meet her under that. You were not, you weren't like, you weren't part of Bachelor Nation until my season. So Shannon, for watching who doesn't remember or hasn't watched it in a long time, they let me, and I feel like they should still do this to this day. This is like my biggest, like advice to them is to have friends come in for the lead and help them through it. It was Sarah, my best friend from college, missing my best friend from grad school, Shannon, and, oh, gosh, who am I missing?

There was, oh, no, it was just the three of you guys. Yeah, I actually do remember that now. And we got to, like, pick out dates and hang out in the house, right? You guys, did you live in the house with the boys? I don't think so. If they did, we didn't know where they were. Because we, like, I mean, I remember thinking, I remember thinking, I wonder where they all went. Because I thought, we thought you went back to download.

So late at night. And we were like, like you were gone on a date, but we were there like partying with the rest of the guys. Because mom, something with dog food. Yeah, that was Jamie Blythe. Jamie. Yeah. That was, oh my God, that is the faithful night when Trish, the fateful night, I guess it would be. When Trista came home and was mad at me.

And that was because they made me. So we played the Century Club. and we were all doing 100 shots of beer in 100 minutes. And Tex threw his first can up on the roof because we had that kind of like weird roof. And so we all started throwing the cans on the roof. And then as Trista's pulling up, they come up to me, they throw an apron on me, hand me a broom and a ladder. And they go, you got to go on the roof and clean all the cans up. And I'm like, I do.

And I go, I didn't throw any cans there. They're like, it's okay. It was your idea for this party. So I go on the roof. I'm sweeping cans off. I still have on my bathing suit and an apron. and Trista comes in and she's like, hmm, why is it when I go on a date and you, and I've been on a group date with her, I come back and everyone's like asleep and reading

the Bible and I go on a date without you and I come back and it's a frat party gone sideways. And I'm like, what? What's going on here? Like they totally set me up to take the fall. I remember it. I'm like, hey. No, I was not mad. I couldn't, I couldn't have been mad at that. You were, you were giggling through it, and that's why I knew, like, I knew, you know, and I'm like, okay, all right, I get it. I was like, no, I wouldn't be mad at you for that. I'd love to go off and then when my friends got to come in and actually, like, hang out with you and give me the scoop, because they hung out with you. It wasn't like at your house, you know.

It wasn't like they were coming in, just being present at, like, a bar that they had a date at. Like, you guys got to really, truly, like, get to know that. which I love. You know, I loved it. It was so interesting, though. So we went in and we legit, like we interviewed every guy there. And we were very seriously. Like we were like, we are Christa's future husband.

So we have big powwows. We talked about all the guys and we figured out the ones that we wanted to go on like the one-on-ones with you. And then we went back and told the producers and they're like, mm-mm, like, no, you shouldn't send with that one yeah do you remember who it was I mean that was like 20 years ago so no I'm not remember something that he said

that he said something while he was in the bathroom and they heard it on his mic like he was there to promote his music career or something but we never do you remember that who said that Greg? Greg I'm sure

Greg Greg thank you Bob yeah so we were going to pick him as one of your guys um to go on one time and they're like uh-uh don't pick him so he was the one that went he went to New York I'm trying to find a picture of the four of us um oh wait that was interesting New York um his apartment

tiny small apartment and everyone like made a big deal out of it when like honestly it wasn't like that big of a deal because we were we were young he was living in New York he was a musician like whatever um it was not a big deal but of course they made a huge deal out of it and they were like oh trista has to have like more than a teeny tiny apartment with a whatever i'm like don't make me out to be high maintenance when i'm not okay this is this was um i don't know if you can see it but on my 40th birthday remember look at the four of us look at just how that's so awesome That was during the show.

And then this was in my mansion. I think you guys came over to the mansion, the girls. Here it is. Yes, it is in the mansion. Remember those, like, flowers that they had everywhere? Look at the floors. Do you remember the floors? Did this bring you back, Bob?

Yes. Like the red velvet. Oh, my gosh. Isn't that amazing? And my big, long hair extensions? you like showed us your wardrobe and I was like Trista and it was just like of clothes it was amazing and then they sold them

but we don't have to talk about that anyway so we talked enough about my season I would love to know like how is life how is Justin how is life with the boys what does your daily life look like and what are you up to it's honestly it's so great like I joke about wanting a girl so bad and being sad but I was meant to be a boy mom like these kids are like they're my world and I think if I had a girl it would have been bad news like I would have been like the worst helicopter mom over a girl but with the boys you just have to let

them go I mean you have one of both oh every kid is different but boys are wild and they need to be free and that's probably better for me. Otherwise, I would be like right there, like all the time. Yeah. My boy, no, bye. You stay here. We're going. But it's great.

Justin, it's funny. So Ryan's out of town, Bob's wife's out of town, and Justin's out of town. Oh, that's funny. That is funny. They're all of town. Well, Ray's at work, but yeah, he's out of the house. Yes. We're all single parents.

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A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes interstate. stage available now listen to wisecrack on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts is this the house that flooded and you fixed it up because your house got demolished and the yes what what you were that like gosh Harvey what year was it that was probably six years ago or seven that was during in harvey so we just had jack he was like 10 months old we lived in a little 1960s like cute little house that we loved but it needed more space like the laundry room was in a closet i was like i need like a room like with a kid you couldn't like force do the clothes so we

were going to add on a laundry room and then a room for jack on top of it and we moved out on monday harvey hit friday our house house that we had just moved out of flooded that saturday the next day. Our rental house that we moved into flooded Wednesday. And then we had a weekend cabin on a river like an hour south, but all of the floodwater from Houston flooded down the river. So then that house flooded the following Friday. So we had three houses flood in one week. Stop it. I mean, I remember like all you were going through, but that is so much, so much. It was crazy. And Jack was- Do you feel like it made your marriage stronger? Or did you guys struggle in those times you honestly like situations like that will make or break you and if we had

only house flood we may not have made it but we had three and we had to find somewhere to live and we had to like we were constantly like working on everything and so you just had to like put your head down and the hardest thing about that was my neighborhood over 90% of the house is flooded because we back up to a by you we're just like a bunch of cold to sack by you and so just got to the next neighborhood up they didn't flood and so it's like our world was turned upside down but all of your friends and everyone that you know just went back to normal really quickly um that was the hardest part was like being in this like devastating place but like just if you literally went like five houses north of where we are everything was normal so it was a rough

couple years just with a newborn and trying to figure out where to live we moved i think we moved five or six times in three years so my goodness yeah that place that the places that flooded are no longer yours like you you're completely yeah got it um sorry bob just that his internet just went out so i know we're gonna be back so um so this house like where this was that's where our house was but it was completely totaled so we had the structure out to do the add on and he came back after and our wood floors like they peaked up when they swelled but they also pushed out so they pushed our exterior walls off the slab and then all the brick collapsed because there was nothing underneath to hold the brick up oh my gosh yeah it was crazy

it's crazy so you completely like just leveled it and started over yeah we had he said the only had left was the slab, but I'm like, if we're rebuilding, we're not building at this level. Like, we're going to build up to where the flood just in case. And I don't think we'll ever flood again. Harvey was just a crazy, crazy, like probably once in a lifetime storm. But if you've got to spend on, redo it, we just built up. But they're good now. Your home looks beautiful from where we are. And I'm sure it's beautiful everywhere else with all of the minion stuff everywhere. Who would

like die if you saw what I see right now? I love it. I love it. We actually had a minion party for Max when he was, I don't know, probably around Jack's age. So much fun. So much fun. Okay.

Denver? Like, how is Denver? I haven't moved? Yeah, we did. So Ryan was commuting from Vale to Denver for three years, I think, and you know that drive, because you've done it before, but it's like a two-hour drive. And it was a lot. And then Max asked, he wanted to change schools just to have

an elevated academic and athletic experience. And we go to a, they're at a Christian school now, and they've got, you know, the faith-based stuff, which is really kind of like makes my mom's heart just feel good about the education they're getting because I kind of failed them as a as a Christian mom. I just, you know, I don't know about you guys, but I grew up Catholic and I went to Sunday school every Sunday, right? And, um, and just learned a lot. Well, I just, I didn't do a lot of that for my kids. So the fact that they're learning kind of more really about just how to be a good person, you know, makes my heart happy. It makes me feel, you know. Yeah. good place. So for a lot of reasons, all of those, plus Ryan's parents live like five minutes

away from us. And so we wanted to be near them. If they get a little bit older, there's a great dance studio for Blake's Lee, just lots of opportunity and lots of targets. So that's good. So you're shopping a lot. That's good. That's really good. Yes, and the mall. I mean, we didn't have those in bail. No. I would target. like five minutes before I logged in here. Oh, gosh. It comes to the mom's handbook, doesn't it? It's in there.

It's an amazing convenience to have. So for lots of good reasons. But yeah, it's going well. We, of course, miss the mountains, but we're hoping to get back there at some point and just, you know, visit our friends whenever we can. So, yeah, it's good. It's good.

You'll have to come visit. The next time you're coming through. make sure you come just let me know if you're flying into denver um because i'd love to see you i know denver's become a hotbed for bachelor people too true yes there are a lot of people ben higgins is here he's not in denver proper anymore but um he's here and then blake uh horseman i think is his last name um he just had a baby i heard with uh giana um from or gianina from from Love is Blind. Have you guys watched that show?

Yes. I've never seen a show, but I've met Gia, Nina, and Blake, so, yeah. Yeah. So they're here. I haven't met on. I know Lace is here. She just had a baby, too. Lace.

Baby? Lace had a baby. Yeah. Yeah. I saw her when she was pregnant. We did this jewelry store, like, photo shoot thing. And she was there. And she was about ready to pop.

She looked beautiful. But yes. Good for. Do you still watch the show, Shannon? Of course. I mean, don't we all? It's like, once you're in, you've got to like just, it's like you're in for life. That's how I feel.

I know a lot of people don't feel that way. But especially like this season, I feel like probably got people back on. on the boat like molly meznik she has specifically said she met joey at um the golden wedding and she watched her his season because she met him and then um she's like now i'm hooked like this was a great season to get i didn't meet him at the go i didn't meet joey at the golden wedding i knew you were going to say that he he will not let this go like literally he asked to say yeah Shannon did you meet Joey at the Golden Wedding? Because I didn't meet him. I didn't. Yeah, we all everyone but you. I almost didn't say it. Like, I was like, I shouldn't even say it,

because he's just going to be like, woo-le-loose me. Shannon's response was just the best response ever, though. Oh, yeah, we all met him. Yeah, he's lovely. Love him. Adorum. Adorm, he's my new favorite guy, my new favorite badge. But what you were so true, I feel like for a while, like obviously, In the beginning, none of us knew what we were doing and we didn't know the show. And they throw some chival here. But then it just went like off the rails with like, remember the chicken lover?

Like nobody really even had jobs. Everybody was just kind of TV. And now like all of these girls, especially on Joey's in the last few seasons, it's kind of going back to that where everyone, remember Trista like for our season? You had to, they were looking for professionals like with professional jobs that had focused on their careers and not focused on love and then it just went the opposite end of that and now I feel like they're going back like everybody was working and you know normal they had good jobs and you know I feel like it went back to the basics a bit agree I think that may have been

influenced by the golden bachelor though I like twist and I talked about that like the one thing about the golden bachelor was that it went back to the basics exactly okay obviously we all watched that and y'all went to the wedding some of us did that's why he was joking about it he's he has a vendetta still that he didn't get invited i i was invited and then they called me back and they're like actually bob we have to cancel your invitation stop because chris does a plus three i'm like what what that's not true that's not true do you not blame it on my children i'm not i'm totally teasing No, you know, I did not get invited to that one, but I love teasing Trista because, you know, it'll come up and she'll like, oh, it was such a great wedding. But I will say this about the show, and I've said this a lot.

I was worried about the Golden Bachelor because I thought, given our experiences and what we know, I thought they were going to be like stunt casting. You know what I mean? Like I thought they were going to throw a couple of cougars in there to mix it up. And I was really not happy about it until I saw the casting. And then I was so happy because it was age appropriate and it wasn't sensationalized and it wasn't a bunch of, you know, people coming in there just to stir it up. And I really liked Gary. And I, you know, I was happy about the whole thing. And I think it got us back to the roots of the show.

And so I feel like for Joey's season, I think that that was actually kind of awesome that it was like Shannon said, a bunch of people who had jobs and were focused on finding love. And, you know, I thought that was really cool. And I think that Joey was a super nice guy. Like, I liked him. And so, yeah, I didn't get to follow the whole season, but I was excited about the bones of it that I knew going into it. Yeah. And I like The Bachelor, too, because it's much older.

They're more mature than I was thinking they were going with. When they just said they were looking, you know, people for the show. I thought they were talking about people like my age, you know. Yeah. Like everything on Bachelor is, like, mid-20s. 20s to 30s, but really mid-20s. So I thought they were trying to get like to 40s to 50s. So I was happy where they went because then it, like you said, it just, it worked.

Wasn't it like the highest rated viewers? I feel like I read that somewhere. In the last couple years. You know the viewership went up. That's for sure for a Golden Bachelor. And my thought was I have always advocated for producers to pluck someone out of obscurity. instead of pulling a lead from a previous show because they have a certain number of followers or whatever and then all of us can fall in love with the person together and that was exactly what

happened and in the best way possible because of course everyone's going to root for Gary who is a heart you know so much heartbreak after losing his wife and all of these women who many of them have lost, you know, husbands or partners. And so, yeah, I, I, I loved the show. Gary was exactly what I feel like the franchise needed. And from what I hear, they're doing Golden Bachelorette, too. So, all right. That's exciting. That's so exciting. I think so. I haven't heard, like, anything about who they're going to have. I have a couple favorites that I would, I would love to see, but, but yeah, that would be exciting because I do think that people root for these people who have been through so much and can offer so much wisdom and knowledge from their

experiences and that they don't care about the bullshit, you know, they're just, no drama, please, Like, just let us, like, meet people and actually get back to, like, the real reason that the show was started. And, you know, if I started it because it was a television show and he thought it would be salacious, then that's one thing. But I always felt from the beginning that it was truly a story about finding love. And I think that's, they got back to that for Golden Bachelor, for sure. Yeah, I hope they do the same casting like they did for Golden Bachelor, for Golden Bachelorette. You know what I mean? I hope they're as sincere about the casting. Yeah.

Yeah. And I love that they're those ladies back because think about it. Like when we were at the end of our shows, we've got no one. Like there's no one to talk to, but the producers who are obviously trying to make a show. That is their job. So even though they're your friends, like they're not. So I love that they're golden bachelor women back like on Joey's season to talk to the girls. I literally cried.

I got teary-eyed when they're saying to the final girls. you could see those girls needed that they needed like a person like a figure to come in and just like give them advice or listen to any questions or concerns that they had and I was like this is so amazing for these girls because we need that like girls like we're always bouncing stuff off each other and that was one of the hardest things for ours is like we were scared to death to talk to anyone even each other right you know it's so true it's so true we did really only had the producers and like the psychologist to talk to afterwards if anyone even used the psychologist you know um did y'all i know tristan and i did

how long was that psychology quiz that we had to take was it like forever i remember being a lot of pages i think they've gotten away from that over the last few years they must i'm totally kidding joking no they still have that because they needed even more these days i feel like you know, just getting into trouble with different contestants and, gosh, the society is just so litigious or litiginous or whatever that word is. I'm excited for the Golden Bachelorette now that you said that, Trista, because honestly, it would make me so happy if they bring a bunch of guys on there and they get along the way that we got along on your season. Because, I mean, I honestly believe that your season was so. great because you were obviously a wonderful lead. And the ending, of course, justifies everything. But we were genuinely friends. Like, I mean, I remember, you know, I filled this story a bunch,

but I remember going places and people would talk about Ryan. And I'm like, yeah, Ryan was a professional football player, but no one knows that. He's the best athlete I've ever met in my life. Like, I mean, but we all talk about each other like that. You know what I mean? Like, we would all, you know, and it was genuine. And I would, I would so love to see that again. I'm really excited for that I hope they cast the hell out of the show I really do I agree well now that you bring that up

thing that like nowadays I feel like they always put a few people in there and they tell them just to stir it up like yeah of course like Sydney this season I'm like Sydney just stop like she's not doing anything bad and it was like it was just trying to make something out of nothing

and I agree like Trista your guys like I don't feel like there was any of that like there was no drama just like everyone was there to date and they got along you know just it was the best and i can say honestly like we really and i and i i say we i mean i guess the guys that i've come in touch with over the years genuinely wanted trista to be happy like so it was you know we would know well it's not us god i hope it like i mean i remember saying i hope it's right you know because we like had our little bunk beds in the same area.

And, like, you know, he genuinely would be there writing stuff down in his journal. And it was like, I loved it. It was poetry. But it was like beautiful. And I remember thinking to myself, like, it's got to be him. Like, especially when I went home and I knew who the final four guys were. And I was like, okay, it has to be Ryan. Like, please.

It was. It was. Shannon, we could talk to you all day. All day. day. I miss y'all. We need to know what we need to do. We need to take over the audience like at one of these final roses. We need to get the OG's. Great idea.

Yes, I have talked to Milsie. I have talked to Bennett. I've talked to all these people, right? About how we need to have a reunion. We need to invite all the people taking over the audience is a fantastic idea. Right. I'm going to talk to them. Oh, my gosh, that's so fun. That's a great idea. Guys, yeah, it's probably a good time considering my door is being beat down by my two-year-old right now.

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