The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OGs: Make or Break-Up with Sarah Brice

Episode Date: June 24, 2022

The OGs are talking Bachelor break-ups! Does social media shorten relationships?? Trista and Bob have some thoughts on Michelle &Nayte and Katie & John!   And we reconnect with Sarah Brice from The Bachelor Season 7 to break down her break-up from Bachelor Charlie O’Connell!  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We back. Another week. You can't get rid of us yet. Cannot. Cannot get rid of us yet. We are back. And this week with a very special. You know, episode, I guess we'd say, a special, special, special.

A very special special. Special, because, you know, a lot of news right now about The Bachelor stuff is regarding the breakup stuff, right? Like, there's a lot of couples that are hitting the skids this month and last month. Yeah. Michelle Young. And I'm not sure how to say her fiancé, is it Nate? Is it Nate? Is it a cool way to spell Nate?

Katie Thurston, her second breakup with someone from her season, really and through. And then Tasia Adams and Zach, not too long ago. That was a while back, but still. Yeah, right. Claire and Dale. Claire, you know, I'm not Claire for a long time. I know you have to.

She kind of has been around, kicking around for a while. She literally, like, bailed on her season early, like halfway through. Yeah, because she thought it was it. I know. Final answer. She was ready to, you know, put it all done. And they split up Peter Weber, the pilot. He had his second breakup, right?

Kelly Flanagan or maybe third breakup, who knows? Might be third. Pilot Pete. From his season. He was definitely staying in his dating pool. He wasn't kicking it around as far as we know. Well, I think the news of, or the gossip at least, was that he was kicking around outside of his pool as well. But, you know, I don't know.

I'm the almost 50-year-old. I am funny from his season for some. reason i remember his mom that's what i remember from his season i don't even remember him i don't remember much about it who doesn't remember his mom but i remember thinking who who handful that'd be a handful yeah holy gal i uh yeah i agree um and i hope that she learned a little bit about herself and communication and i don't know i just i that was a hard season um man especially as a mother like i remember being like really would I

I don't know that I would say these things to my son's fiance or even girlfriend or even or girlfriend

yeah I think you know I think I was accused of this when I was on the bachelor and during that whole time and for many years after that I was probably

a little too nice and polite about stuff and to their parents or to their family just in general you know just in general

I had people who used to I used to do these special where people would go, you know, hey, were you, like, hungover or something today? I'm like, why? Because you were way meaner and funnier on this one than you usually are. I'm like, what? What's that even mean?

So I feel like I got a little bit of a rap for being the nice guy, and I'm okay with that. But I just think there's a time in place for certain things. And, yeah, that mom, she was something. I know. She was piece of work. So I feel like talking about the breakups, the, what? What's interesting to me, I actually just asked Ryan what his thoughts were, you know, what are your thoughts on Bachelor breakups and why do they happen?

And obviously there are many reasons that they can happen. I mean, just like you take the relationships that are within Bachelor Nation, take them outside of Bachelor Nation. I've said this before, I think, on the podcast. But you basically, like if you compare our relationships within the show to the relationships that you've had outside of the show. How many don't work out before you're on The Bachelor? Like, I have felt like it's always been unfair for people to say there's so many breakups

within Bachelor Nation, but there's so many breakups in real life, too. So I just want that to be known to start this conversation because even though we do have breakups within Bachelor Nation, it's going to happen. I mean, it's real life. And you get to know. these people in a very short period of time and totally isolated from all the rest of your life. So you don't have to worry about your family, your work, your friends, any other obligations responsibilities, even your rent. Like, you know, that stuff is paid for prior. I just feel like

we live in a bubble and to compare it to what happens in real life would be a bit more fair in terms of how many breakups happen. I think you and I are a direct reflection of the success rate of the show, right? You had a successful relationship coming off the show. My relationship coming off of the show, we broke up. So, like, I can speak from personal experience about why I think we were there, you know? I think, and you can definitely speak from your personal relationship as to why you guys were successful. I think, you know, a lot of it is, a lot of it's going to be,

How would I even say, ancillary to the relationship in and of itself, right? Right, totally, right. We, especially during our times on the show, which is much different than today, we met and came off of that show either I gave a promise ring. You got proposed to twice on the show. And, no, I'm just kidding. But you did. What do you mean? Did I?

Both guys proposed, didn't they? Oh, you didn't let Charlie. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. No, Charlie didn't propose. Yeah. You got proposed to, and I gave a promise ring, rather, but it was really, when you look at the first day of taping to last day of taping, we were at best five and a half six weeks, at best.

We were six weeks, yeah, right? So tip the tail, we were six weeks. And that included the first week of, you know, kind of just having fun and, you know, getting your feet wet and the first, you know, roast. Yep. Yeah. I mean, and then, you know, I mean, so that's bananas. I mean, we're really probably talking more about five weeks and a pressure cooker. 100%.

If that, if that even. Yeah. And now, now it's like, now it's like, what, maybe two months, which is still cool. Yeah, I mean, I think it's actually three months, but even that, I mean, your quality time with this person that you are getting possibly engaged to, spending the rest of your life with, you're spending maybe a month with, you know, and that's without anything else in your life, you know, not talking to anybody except focusing on this relationship. So you get one day to bounce them off your mom and dad, right? And vice versa. You get one day. Right.

You get one day to meet their family. And not even an entire day. No. It's like maybe a few hours. Yeah. And, you know, and it's crazy that, I mean, when you look at it, it's like you won the lottery. You really did, Trist. Like you won the lottery in that you and Ryan found each other.

I mean, I will say, and I was an early adopter to the two of you, even in house, when Ryan and I, because our beds were four feet away from each other. And I used to say it all the time. And I still say it to this day whenever I'm asked, but I was always like, man, don't get me wrong. I had a crush on Trista too, but we had this kind of friend vibe. And I'm like, but I also knew that this guy is crazy committed to this woman already. And if you want to be a jackass and try to get in the way of that just because you want to win something,

or do you want to like get out of the way and let some real magic happen, you know? And it was one of those things where it was like, I just remember watching that going. and wow, this has got to work out the way I wanted to work out. Because, you know, I didn't end up on hometowns with you. So I went home and I was watching it unfold with everybody else, but I knew I was right. You know, it's got to be Ryan. It's got to be Ryan. And so I was so happy when it was like the rest of America.

Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. No, we did hit the jackpot. That is for sure. But it's not like we're perfect. You know, we have our ups and downs and we have to work really hard. And I think that that also is.

maybe another reason. Well, there's multiple reasons, and we can get into it. But I think that one of those reasons is that we were in a place in our life where we were ready for a committed relationship, right? So I don't know if it's they're starting earlier. Like, I feel like oftentimes lately, the people on the show are younger. And it's not to say that you cannot know who you are and what you want at a life when you're 25.

It's not to say that. There are plenty of people out there who are way younger than, you know, any of the people on the show and are ready for a committed relationship and ready to find that person who fits into what they want out of life. Right. Yeah. But I do think that age plays a factor in this. Like Michelle and Nate, 29 and 27. And I don't know if that is, I guess they were younger on the show, obviously. obviously. Yeah. Who knows? Maybe they just, you know, Michelle has also recently said that she was essentially breaking up from her career as a teacher. And, you know, God bless our teachers because of what they have to deal with in this country. And it's just a really hard job not getting a lot of financial reward for doing one of the most

honorable jobs, I feel like, in our country, in our world. Anyway, so who knows why she decided to not teach. But I feel like that kind of shows also that maybe she wasn't set, you know, and maybe she wasn't ready yet in terms of her age. Like maybe she needed a little bit more time. And maybe Nate did too. Obviously, we don't know what exactly happened in the relationship, and I'm not saying that we need to.

It's none of my business. I don't think it's anyone else's business. But in talking about why do breakups happen in Bachelor Nation and what is happening, I just feel like maybe it would be wise for the show to maybe, I don't know, get some people who might be a little bit older. Yeah, a couple's counting. I wish I had, you know, I wish I had that as my excuse. When I was on the show, I was 32.

Yeah. And so, I mean, I was, I was 31 on your season, and then I was 32 by the time I became The Bachelor. And, you know, and I was, I did have a quicky starter marriage that happened, you know, years ago when I was a touring musician. So I was, I used to have a theory on it until I went through it. And then I was like, well, that theory doesn't work. Because I always thought, you know, oh, well, it's because it's because these people get so much attention so far. fast, right? But I came from this kind of different world where I was already in entertainment forever, you know? Remind me of you saying that. You continue your story, but attention. That's one thing.

So keep going. I think there's a couple things to it, right? And so I think about, in my particular circumstance with Estella and when we were together, I can say honestly that I had really great intentions and she was awesome. But, you know, you said it best. You said, you know some people just aren't ready well i was at this point where you know i didn't propose for a reason and the reason i didn't propose and i used to say it to you all the time jokingly when we talk about i'm like i don't want to be ross from friends and just keep racking up a bunch of you know marriages and divorces but you know i did that anyway um but the point is i was you know on the show and i was like you know i don't feel the feelings i think i should feel right now and so i

want to see how it comes you know and then and then you know when you're off camera something that you and Ryan really committed to, which I think was great, was you guys really put in the work and put in the time. And I think it becomes easy for people, especially nowadays with social media and all these tooth whitening kits and everything else, they, all of a sudden, you know, it's like squirrel, you know, shiny object, they're going in a million directions, you know? And I think, you know, maybe that's got something to do with it. I mean, I can say for sure, you know, then I, you know, I was just, I realized I wasn't where I knew. needed to be emotionally. But, you know, I can say that, you know, it had nothing to do with Estella

and it had nothing to do with the show. Right. Right. It had to do with me. And you just, you just realized that you weren't meant for each other. And that is okay. That's what Michelle and Nate kind of said is that sometimes you meet your, you meet this person that you really are falling in love with, but they're not meant to be your forever person. So I get it. But I think you hit another nail on the head and that's the attention piece. Ryan was saying, saying, you know, it was really hard for him because social media wasn't around. So he wasn't seeing pictures of me wherever. But he knew. So in the time that between when we got engaged and when we could publicly be together, right? I think it was, it was three months for us. And you're

basically promoting the show at that time. And I was exactly. I was promoting the show. People knew who I was, but people didn't know who Ryan was yet because he hadn't been on TV yet. So those three months, he goes back to his regular life as a firefighter in Vail, and I proceed to attend the Super Bowl, which, of course, he played in the NFL. He was like, you get to go to the Super Bowl? What? Like, sitting with Bradley Cooper and Jennifer Garner and, like, all the, I mean, it was insanity. And then I think I presented at one of the award shows, like Country Music Awards or AMA. I think it was actually AMAs. AMAs, I remember that.

I went to the Playboy Mansion. Like, I did a bunch of stuff that would have been on his bucket list, right? Sure, sure. And so I am getting all of these opportunities. I think I did something with Oprah at that time. I was, you know, co-hosting The View. I was doing all these crazy fun things that I loved. I mean, they wouldn't necessarily be things that he would want to do like co-host the View.

But still, they were really exciting. and, you know, I was out there meeting all kinds of people and doing these really fun things. And he's home, just in his regular life, not being able to say, that's my fiancé, you know, that's so fun. Or I want to be there with her. So I feel like when the lead get, when you are done taping the show, the lead gets to do all these fun things, right? They get asked to be part of these opportunities. And it's really hard to remain focused on your relationship. in those opportunities because you're like, this is so exciting and fun and you're caught up in

the whirlwind. So I think that it's also hard for the people who are not the leads to deal with the attention that the leads get. Even, you know, I talked about how it was during the time where we couldn't be together. But I think it's also after that because every interview since then that we've done, you know, mostly is, you know, I think more focused on, on the lead. That's just the nature of the show, you know. Well, and you've had more time out there, too. Yeah, you've had more time out there. Yeah. Exactly. But I also, in our relationship, to be fair, you know, he is obviously more of an introvert and hates the interviews, hates talking to people. And that's kind of my thing. Like, you know, that's why we're here. So.

I can't even come on the show for God's sake. She's like, no. I'm like, come on. You know, but every woman I've been with before would be like, I'm on, yeah, let's do it. Totally. Canyon's just different. And it works for us, you know.

So I think that it's just hard. I think it's hard for some people after they get off the show to either, like maybe they're introverted as a lead and they don't want to deal with that stuff. And maybe the other person is extrovert and they want to. And so that causes conflict. Or maybe it's like Ryan and I where, you know, I'm out doing these incredible things. And now that you have social media thrown in the mix, ugh. Like, I can't even imagine how it would have been if we had had social media.

Like, I mean, could you imagine? Oh, my God, Trista was seen at the Super Bowl with Bradley Cooper. I'd be like, what? Right. I sat in a chair next to Bradley Cooper and 10 other people. I mean, I had that all the time. I remember that during that time, I was like, wait a minute. I wish I was having as much fun as they say I'm having.

I, you know, definitely wrong, I was having a blast, but I'm like, I didn't do that, you know. And so, yeah, I mean, I can imagine with social media the pressure has got to be astronomical. And then, you know, but then there's also some other couples much like you and Ryan, you know, like you have Jojo who, honestly, other than Trista, I would say that Jojo's probably been one of my favorite bacheloretts. Yeah. I really liked her. I thought she was fun and really charming. And then she ended up with a guy who everybody hated on the show, like all the other guys. rather and Jordan Rogers and

they just announced that they got married right and then Sean Lowe and Catherine of course I mean they're awesome they're awesome and I love I honestly literally love their sense of humor collectively as a couple I mean it they're great on social media I watch them I feel like I know them you know and I've talked to Sean a bunch of years

but I don't pretend to know him but I just have so much fun watching them and then Rachel Lindsay and Brian Abbs Dr. Abbella Yeah absalom yes whatever you said and um You know, they're a successful couple.

So there's a bunch of them out there, too, but you're right. Yeah. You know, there's always going to be, I think the naysayers that think that, you know, it can't work. And, you know, I think it really comes down to if you look at two out of three of those other successful couples. And, of course, you know, in different ways, we still have, you know, you still have Maznik, even though he didn't end up with his chosen person. He ended up with someone on the show. But yeah, yeah. And, Jade and Tanner.

Yeah, Jane Tanner. Who were from Bachelor in Paradise. Yeah, we've got a bunch of couple, I mean, hello, Ashley I, who is our almost famous podcaster, you know, she started this whole thing with Ben. So, yeah, there are plenty of successful couples, and I think it's just, you know, it's like I tell my kids, if you focus on the positive, that's what you see. So we're going to focus on the positive relationships and not, unfortunately, the ones that have broken up. But we still are going to talk about it a little bit. well just because it's in the news right and I mean for the first time ever I'm actually doing well in a marriage so you know no one cares about me anymore I used to I remember I used to think that I used

to think man I wonder why like everyone makes such a big deal when they're having kids and stuff because I mean I remember it used to be like a thing and I was like I'm just going to kind of roll with it but it was the truth thing is that people came to know us through a show about relationships so therefore those relationships you know as they continue or don't but you continue a different relationship people care about that aspect of it and that's kind of a nice thing you know like I actually yeah I like it hi my name is enya umanzor and I'm Drew Phillips and we run a podcast called emergency intercom if you're a crime junkie and you love crimes we're not the podcast for you but if you have unmedicated ADHD oh my god perfect

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I was just going to ask. Thank you. He was season seven. He was kind of like the class clown also. Like he was very fun-loving. Wait, when you say also, what did that mean? Also. Also, what did I say?

You said he was the class clown also. The class clown like you also. That's what I thought you meant. I just thought I'd clear. No, fine. Just get it was going to do. Yes. Because we talked about the superlatives, yes.

Yes, yes, of course, of course. So he is, he is very fun-loving, I feel like, super laid back. Yeah. Obviously has a famous brother and Jerry, which kind of threw a fun little piece of information into their season. Yeah. And we've known each other for a while. I don't know if we met right after her. season, but we did go to, oh, there's a place. Where was Jade and Tanner's wedding? Do you remember Tara?

That wasn't like Dana Point or something like that. Yes, there's a resort. I can't, we'll have to, we'll have to ask her because we hung out with the kids even. She was hanging out on the, at the pool with my babies. Well, we got to bring her in. I mean, she's here. She's in the waiting room. All the way from Dallas, Texas. Hey! Sarah. There she is. How are you? Oh, we're good. I haven't talked to you in so long. I love your office. I remember seeing the office reveal on your Instagram. That's right. Oh, is this your office? I love it. Sarah, so I have spent some time talking about you. I spent some time talking about you today

with our, I'm sure she's already texted you knowing her. Our good, our good mutual friend, Melanie. Melanie O. Of course. So Melanie's like, and I'm telling Trista beforehand, I'm like, I always thought Sarah was so cute. I had a big crush on her when she was on, you know. And I'm like, and then I, in my other life,

I meet this girl who I just love and is Melanie O'Readi. And Melanie and Sarah were sorority sisters in college, remained friends of this day, both still live in the Dallas area. I think you guys see each other a lot still, I guess. And so it was kind of funny because it was such a small world

thing. When I first, I came down to Dallas, to hang out with Melanie for about a week and some other people in her office. And we talked about you literally like every day. I think we were trying to get together with you and your husband. You're trying to figure out where you guys were. But yeah, thank you so much for coming on the show. And I know you and Triss are really close too. So that's great.

Yeah. Yeah. It's so fun. I'm so glad that you thought of me. Absolutely. Of course. Okay. So remind me, where was the wedding that we went to in California when you were playing at

the pool with Max and Blakesley? I have the cutest picture of you with Blakesley. Okay, so that was Jason and Molly's wedding. Jason and Molly's. Okay. Yay. Okay. So, yeah, going back to Jason and Molly's, was that the first time we met or did we meet before that?

I think it was the first time, no? I can't remember. It might have been. No, I think we had met one time before that. I can't remember. I feel like maybe we were texting, trying to figure out what we were wearing to the wedding. Because that's what girls do. Okay.

that one. I was on the, I was on the, uh, the crap list still at the bachelor's house at that point. Stop it. I only got welcomed back in like two seasons later. Yeah. Yeah, they did welcome you back in with open arms. Um, okay, so you were, you and Charlie ended up together after the show. You were his chosen one. And then, I believe, didn't you break up and then get back together? Yeah. I mean, I think we broke up like five times. Oh.

Over five years. So, like, your annual breakup and then... Yeah, it was like, okay, well, we're breaking up. And it would last, like, a month, and then we'd get back together. That's why finally I was like, I've got to leave L.A. If I don't leave L.A., we're going to keep doing this until we're like 90. Right? That's so funny.

And never get married. Okay, so how was it the first time, maybe the first time that you guys broke up in, you know, a public arena because you had been on the show? And he also, you know, has Jerry and kind of was in the public eye anyway a bit. So how was that breakup for you? Well, I think, you know, I had moved to L.A. after the show. And that was the only reason I had moved there, obviously. And so when you, when you're in that situation, I felt so vulnerable to him. And like, I knew that the breakup needed to happen because he was going to be.

going to rehab and I but I also at the same time felt like public pressure to stay together and to like make it work and then I also felt like oh god I've just moved out here I sold my home in Texas like I I what am I going to do I don't have anyone I don't know anyone I was just totally at his mercy in terms of friends yeah and everything so it was it was weird I mean it was not the easiest situation hence why we kept getting back together probably Right. Right. That makes total sense that you felt at his mercy. You know, those are perfect words, I feel like, to describe it. It's hard. I feel like being in the public eye, people have asked me that over the years. Do you feel pressure to stay together? And even though I don't, I don't necessarily, I do feel like, if we ever broke up, holy cow, people would be coming at us. Like, why did you do it? Right. Well, I always think about like Ashley. Was it Ashley? What was the bachelor at and the guy with J.P. and Ashley. Ashley. When they split up, I had only met them one time. But for some reason, I felt like I knew them so well, you know. And they broke up. I took it hard. Man, I like started to go into therapy just to work through it. But it was one of those things where it was just like, wait a minute. What? Like you guys can't split up. You're on the bachelor. Like what the fuck? So I remember thinking that. know, that if they didn't go through the shudder like I did right out of the gates, then they

shouldn't break up ever, you know? And that's kind of, it was in my mind. Right. I mean, I guess that's kind of true. Like, I wonder, one of the producers was saying, actually it was Sugarman. She said, how long, I would love to see kind of like a pie chart or something of how long had, when couples break up, when do they break up? If they break up within a year, is that the most, common time? When did you and Charlie break up first? Well, the first time was probably right at a year. Yeah. And then, but again, it was not because we didn't care about each other, love each other. It was because he had a major drinking problem. And so it was kind of like, okay, you're going to die if you don't go to rehab. So it was different. True. But I think that, I think it kind of falls within the normal

kind of relationship numbers, to be honest. I think it's probably around two years. Like, I think 18 months to two years is probably when those people break up. It's when you get to really know someone. Well, and I think also this show we were talking about it before you came on is, you know, you're together for such a short period of time and you're in this bubble where you don't have to deal with anything else in your life, your work, your family, your friends, you're anything.

and and so it's very you can't even drive anywhere yes especially you don't have to worry about going to the grocery store you know you're in the same realm you're in the same realm that we were in which is basically like we boil it down it's about six weeks uh but really when you think about it with all the pre stuff and the post it's about five weeks that you're hanging out with this person and 24 of your other suitors so it's like you know it's you never you know like you said it takes about two years for a normal couple to really get to know each other through trials and tribulations for a couple off the show. I mean, it's such a pressure cooker and so fast that, you know, you're accepting everybody at kind of face value until you go through it. And going through

a rehab situation like you guys did had to be so just unbelievable. I mean, I can't imagine the pressure on that. Oh, so hard. And I, you know, I think about the couples now that do it. And I think, God, think about the added pressure of social media. Yeah, exactly. And the competitive of that and what they go through like I feel like those relationships we're going to start to see dwindle a lot quicker because there's probably not as much substance there just with right social media aspect yeah you're right you said competitiveness but it's like the comparisons as I you know I have a 13 year old daughter and she they both have social media accounts but I try to, you know, at least talk to them about a lot of the things that are happening.

And the comparison question comes up a whole lot more. I mean, I brought up to Blakesley that when I was young, there were still comparisons. I mean, you compared yourself to your best friend and to your friend, that friend who got invited to the party and why didn't you? And the one who's dating the boy that you like. And so why did he choose her? And like the comparisons are like, you know, have always been around. but now it's like hyper-focused on comparisons. So it's hard.

It's really hard. I can't imagine having tried to solidify a relationship with social media around. You know, it would have been extremely difficult. Not that we couldn't have done it because I believe in our relationship, but at the same time, I'm like, that would have been really hard. Yeah. Well, if you've ever been a single guy in L.A. Like me. I have not.

of my life. I have, I have exclusive, you know, and you say you date someone who's really popular on Instagram, right? Which everyone that goes on this show comes off now and they are. I mean, it was a full-time job watching a girl I was dating basically, you know, live her life. Like, we were never at a restaurant where she didn't have her phone in her hand or, you know, like, wasn't filming her food or, you know, oh, it was, it was, it killed me. I don't know how people do that. I couldn't. So really, I guess now it probably takes like five years to really get to know someone if you're dating them. Probably, yeah.

Like, with their phone. Like, they're constantly sharing their life with their phone. Yeah. And it's almost more important to put it out there than it is to live the moment. Right. Right. So sad. Drives me crazy.

Yeah, I can't. It drives me crazy too. Like, so, Sarah, we had. We're old, I guess now. We're old. This is why this podcast is called the OG. That's right. This is why you know.

Yes, we're the original gangsters, but our gangsters. but, or gangs does, but I like to call us old gals and old guys. So, yeah, we're the old people. Yeah, we are. Hi, my name is Enya Eumanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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Yeah. I give it to the people who have had a relationship from the show where social media was around and they are still successful. Like maybe Rachel and Brian are probably one of those. And then, Jade and Tanner, I bet social media has been around with them. But also, I think that it is, so in my relationship, I am more of the Instagram poster or, you know, social media, active on social media, okay? I'm way more active than Ryan is. But even that, I'm not that active. So I think you need to have a relationship where you either understand each of your roles.

So one of you is really active, one of you isn't, or both of you are active. If you understand, if you come into a relationship, understanding each other and respecting each other for what you want to do, then great. But if one of you is, like Jade and Tanner are pretty active, but they both are. And they do it in a very kind of humorous way, I feel like. So I think that that's probably easier than if one of the people in the relationship was posting about everything. and the other person was like,

why can't you just put something's private? Yeah. If you're not on board with it, it's bad news, man. I can say that from experience. Bad news. Yeah. And I think that's where communication comes in. That's where, you know, from the get-go,

from when you're on the show, you need to just be super open and honest with each other about what you want to do. And then I think that the problems come when one person changes their mind. And that's bound to happen. People are allowed to change their minds, but in a relationship, if they change their mind and they want to be somebody else, that's kind of difficult to do with.

And don't forget, like, we were also from a different time, too, when we were, you know, the monosyllabic job description, even though, you know, you might have done a lot. They'd be like, you know, mortgage broker, financial analyst, you know. It was like, you know, now when they go on there and they're like, you know, wearing a dolphin costume, is their job, you know, or whatever. So it's like, things have changed so much. The show has a little more of a sense of humor. itself today, which is nice. But, you know, as far as it goes from that, so you guys go through

it, you end up breaking up, then you go back to Dallas. And is that where you met your husband and started, you know, Sarah Bryce 2.0? Or how is it, how do they go? Yeah. So I, we had that fifth breakup and I was like, okay, I've got to leave town if this is going to work. And so I moved to Dallas. He did come and find me in Dallas one time. And he did. Nothing happened for that trip other than like a quick 24-hour fling, which was fun. And then I met my husband. And, but now my former husband, Trista, did you know that I just got a divorce? I don't know if you knew.

So, so, okay, so I've been, obviously, we follow each other on social. And I literally one day, I was like, why is she not posting anything about him? I like, I kind of went back and I'm like, are they broken up? but I didn't want to call you or write you and be like, did you get a divorce? Like, how do you say that? I know. Do you have people who have reached out to you and said, right?

Like, that's just, I figured that it would come up in conversation. Yeah, I know. I would be the same way. But still, I was like, did they, I mean, you look really happy. So I figured that maybe, okay, good. Yay, that's all that matters. That's what matters is that you're happy and the boys are happy. Yeah, we've got the best pro-parenting situation.

And, like, we really got, we're really unusual. Like, but we're so happy. And we're apart. And it's fantastic. But yeah, so I moved back to Dallas, met him, like, really fast, you know, got pregnant. Yeah. Did the whole thing. Kept getting pregnant.

Three kids. And here we are. Here we are. How old are your boys now? Because I have two boys. So I'm excited that you're a boy mom. So 10, 8, and 7. He's a boy mom.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. You say that. um yeah yeah yeah well i was going to say it's the thick of it right you're basically like an uber and she got a new puppy not too long ago i was like you know what if we're already in the storm let's just sit here for a little bit why not let's just stir it up i love it um okay so are you dating maybe maybe do we need to put it out there that you're dating Sarah Bryce is single.

You heard it in here first. Yeah, just kidding. I'm just starting to date, but I'm really enjoying. Okay. Just, I just turned 42. I feel like I'm in my prime. I have everything lined up. You are.

Yeah. Career and everything is good. And I'm just, this is the, this is fun. So, yeah. Yeah. Good. I'm so happy to hear that. Okay, so wait.

So when you say you're dating, Does that mean you're getting set up on blind dates? Are you going on the apps? Like, what does that look like right now? No apps. No. So I did meet someone. And I'm like, I'm not really like, I haven't told a lot of people about it yet,

but we met organically like on an airplane situation. Oh, that's kind of fine. Oh, stop. That's amazing. No. Does he live in Dallas? That's interesting. yeah yeah kind of nice though when you're newly divorced i will say this i don't know how new it is

but as a divorce formerly divorced man i actually enjoyed when i could fly and meet somebody for the weekend that was kind of fun i mean it's actually really amazing because he has kids i have kids so when we're at our homes we're just like in with our families and then we get to right yeah to just kind of like sneak off and do our thing and have our time and it's not It just, it's kind of like this fantasy world that we just get to live in for a little bit and then come back home to reality and not like have to worry about the co-parenting, you know, I don't know. I'm really enjoying it. It's just fun and yeah. That's awesome. I love it. I'm so happy for you. I think it's great. Yes. So this is, so this is Sarah Bryce 2.5. Exactly. Right. So we have. Or 3.0. I don't. I don't know.

It's really good. Sarah, it's like the new, the new me that's super, it's just, I love it. Yeah, that's awesome.

Good for you. You got to be happy. If you're not happy, you can't help anybody else be happy, right? No, and we have one life. Like,

we have one life. And I want to live with just no regrets. And I, I don't know. I just, but I, the one thing I said I would never do is the app dating.

I think that is just, I could not do it. Okay. I can't imagine doing it. I literally have never even seen one of the apps. Like, I know people talk about how they love, like, going through their friend's phones and swiping for them. I've never even seen an app like that. I don't even know what it looks like.

You guys, I have something so relevant to share with you last night, a friend of mine, a girl from Seattle, sends me a picture. And she goes, guess who I just found on Bumble? And she sent it to me and to my wife, Jessica. And it's a picture of me on Bumble. And I go, what? But it's with another guy. And the guy's got his arm around me. And it says, I love, I love spending time with family and friends.

And she sends this to me. And I'm like, I don't know who the hell this guy is. You don't need that. It was so funny. But I always, I always said it be, I always thought it would be cool to be on one of those apps. You know, now I'm on it. You're right. Now you are.

I did it. All right. Good stuff. But you have this dude's like, this is my family and friends. I don't know. which one I am. Do you remember meeting him? I never met this dude in my life. I mean, well, I clearly have. I took a picture with him. Right. I was obviously on a golf course because I'm dressed like I'm golfing. And I'm smiling. He's smiling. And, uh, that's all. I mean,

that is so funny. But what a strange guy? Like, what if the poor girls that go on the date with this guy and he's like, oh, this is my good friend, Bob Ginnick. Yeah. Yeah, you might know him from such pits ass. I'm like, okay, avoid that guy, swipe right, or whatever you do when you don't want to do. Whatever you do. Oh my goodness. Pretty funny. I mean, oh my gosh. Okay, I have to ask you guys. So we were talking about the breakups in the beginning of the show. And Michelle and Nate, I know you both probably don't follow them on social or the show. But what happened, I feel like a month ago is Michelle was caught without her engagement ring on and someone called her out on social or I don't know where it was but someone called her out and said she's not wearing her engagement

ring does that mean there's trouble in paradise you know and she went on her Instagram and said for the person who's calling us out I just for like a momentary bleak of an eye let my friend borrow my like try on my engagement ring and that's why I wasn't wearing it and then it comes out, and maybe it was a couple weeks before this, but it comes out fairly quickly after she had been called out that they were breaking up. And I feel like it's, it makes it, this is validation for why people don't believe the people from Bachelor Nation when they say they're together, they say they're broken up or whatever. Like she went on there kind of like saying, shame on all of you for questioning our relationship, we're fine. And then they break up. So clearly

there, I mean, it seems like there had been trouble in paradise, and they were trying to kind of cover it up and be the people who narrated their own story. And so I get that, like, keeping control of your own story. But at the same time, like, I don't know, just don't call people out. Just let it go out and to, you know, have people forget about it instead of bringing it up, right? Well, it's more than that, right? I mean, it's a maturity thing, to be honest. Like, I think that that is something you do when you know, what, like 20s, early 30s? I just, I mean, that's just 29. Like that, yeah.

So I think that's a maturity thing. I think it's something that probably anyone that age would, you know, maybe do. That's just my personal thing. Yeah. What's the, you know, there's a saying, like, thou doth protest too much. And it's, I always think about that. When things like this come up, you're like, whoa, why the defensiveness, you know? totally if it's all good then just be like hey it's all good i just hand my ring on you know whatever

i put on the lotion yeah yeah but i exactly don't even address it yeah well some of it could be on the show too you know like i mean i remember when um mistela and i were were splitting up and we'd been together five months from the time we finished taping which you know everyone always thinks it's wait it aired the finale ended uh you know Thanksgiving weekend they broke up before christmas they were together less than a month it's like no dude But anyway, I remember at the time, they were like, yeah, guys, come on, five months. You know, they were like, they were like, you know, I remember the producers at the time, we're sort of like, you know, just give it some time. You guys can, you know, try to work through it.

And, you know, we don't read any announcements right now and things like that. So I remember, you know, there was sort of like this, you know, trying to figure out, do we stay in it? Is it disingenuous to, you know, let it fly nowadays? Yeah, I would be like, forget it. But back then, I remember, I was just like, okay, well, you know, I'll do what the show is telling me to do, you know, and I'll, you know, and I mean, I think that might be when they're more current, you know, like Michelle and Nate are a little more current, you know, maybe than, you know, if they've already been together over a year. I don't know how that works, but I mean, I know back then in the stone ages of the show, there was a little encouragement to try and, you know, let's not be so quick to shoot this thing down. Let's give it a chance. We'll get you guys back together.

Yeah. You know, they tried. You know what, you're right. I wonder how involved the producers are still in their relationships today, like how long they stay involved. Because obviously they're under contract for, I think, two years still. But I wonder how involved they are. And if they're still talking to them and if they still give them input on their relationship or

they just let them be, you know, who knows? But it would be embarrassing, though, to come out. super strong like whatever people you know you guys are so stupid to think this and then like less than a week later be like okay we decided to go our separate ways please respect our privacy it's like yeah um it's like really a week ago you were coming at me hard that you know you guys are fine and don't respect your privacy so i get it you know it is kind of a weird twisted world in the i think there again social media man back in the days right we didn't have to worry about that stuff now it's like you know the only thing we had to worry about was my space which i was fine

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Or the AOL chat room. You know, you're like, which my mom was always in. My mom was, you know, legend in that place. It was crazy. Oh, my mom actually had a group of people.

My mom had a group of people. I wish I could remember their name from Facebook. And there was like a whole group of them. My mom was kind of running the show. And they made us wedding presents. would show up at different, like if we were doing signings or taking pictures somewhere. What, oh, the Trista Fan Shazam group, I think is what it was called.

Like, my mom would, oh, yeah. That is hilarious. The fan shazams. Still have, to this day, they made us like, you know, one of those recipe boxes that you keep all your recipes in. They made us like as newlyweds. Who doesn't need a recipe box with lots of ideas for dinner? we did and we still do um they were really sweet as many times i've been married out here with so many

recipe boxes it would be okay well sarah thank you so much for being here i love seeing your beautiful face and um so happy you're happy yeah absolutely thank you what a pleasure melany melany is texting me though and she wanted to say she said i'm sorry i can't be listening because i'm actually working uh which i think is a dig on me because, you know, I should technically. And she's like, but make sure you tell Sarah, I said, and I love her. And I said, I love her.

And I said, I love it. Sounds good, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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Visit apple.co-forward slash Reese Apple Books to find out more. all right trista you're right she's even more lovely in person i can't even believe i'm saying it because i thought she was lovely before i ever met her but now she's awesome she's awesome so we met um we touch base so she was working for a company called cutera and they do lasers like laser hair removal and like skin care lasers and she was like would you ever want to you know work with a doctor locally I can set you up and, you know, do kind of like a trade situation. And so she hooked me up royally at this amazing aesthetician in Denver called Vital. And I still, to this day, go there because I love what they do, just in terms of lasers and stuff.

Sure. But then, yeah, she wrote me and she's like, okay, so now I'm working with what was the name of it? You said it. It was like, it was a C word. Klinovia or something like that. Yeah, something like that. So I believe it's like women's. Cleovana.

Sexual. Cleovana, that's it. Women's sexual health. I believe it might have been lasers as well. There wasn't laser involved. Looks like it. Yeah, I think there's lasers. Sound science for better sex.

Okay, there you go. So for better sex. So basically sexual health for women. And then you're saying that you believe that she's now working with a sexual health for men. Gaines way if it's called. So yeah. Hey, you know what? I am all for anyone out there trying to help relationships.

And let's be honest, sex is a huge part of any relationship. If you're married, I would think. And so if she's trying to help couples. If you're having it and it's good, it's like 20%. When you're not having it, it's 100%. right so it's like Ryan would agree with that yeah it is

I think it's incredibly important so I love what she's doing I love that even though there's this big you know people don't like to talk about it in this country and I think why not talk about it especially if it's it's just like

communication forgiveness like all the things trust honesty like all the things that you're supposed to have in a good relationship I think you know, being able to help people with their sexual relationships is awesome. So I wish her all the best. And I'm excited for it too. I mean, she seems really happy. And it's like, you know, she does. She said, you get one life. And so you got to make the most of it. And like sometimes people aren't meant to be together forever, you know. And that's right. I mean, I would never slag someone

for that. I went through it and found my happiness. You know, it took me a while, but I found it. And I'm pretty thankful for that too. And so I get it. You know, everybody's got a different path. that's right and we all just have to respect each other and each other's past because you never know what people are going through unless you're in their shoes preach it sister preach that's right i like it oh right then well so next week i believe we've got some um questions from instagram from the people that i think we'll get into and i i don't know who will have as a guest but i um oh i was going to say ryan but no he'll be a guest later that won't be until like her. Yeah, we're going to have, we're going to have our spouses on. Canyon has agreed that

she would do it. She said she just wants to do some donkey kicks and some, some squat thrusts. Donkey kicks. Yeah, she wants to be, she must be feeling good. So I'm like, all right. So it's got to be once our, once our nanny starts, which will, you know, be coming up soon. Oh, that'll be huge. When does that happen? August 18th. You're counting down the days. Do you have, like in high school when I was going on spring break? Because it's like, like the only time I got to travel. when I was young. I literally made a calendar. A countdown calendar. Yeah, a countdown calendar. And every day I would X off the days. So are you Xing off the days? Oh my God. We haven't been, but we should. Because my wife is, I mean, Canyon, she works her ass off. And we got two boys under

the age of four. You know, it's like, can't really put one down for a nap without the other one going bananas. And it's just sort of, you know, and so, you know, she's got her hands full. And we have some help, you know, with with babysitters here and there. And thankfully we have a really good one for the summer. But before we got her on board, it was tough because he had to deal with cancellations. We'd make plans and then one of us would have to bail. And, you know, so it's, it's going to be really nice to have someone, you know, she's going to live in. She's going to live here. Oh, that's awesome. I mean, come on. From Sweden. Yes. Amazing from Sweden.

I call her Swissness, but I think that's actually Switzerland. So I'm not entirely sure. True story. I'm still working out that part. And nicknames are, you know, an integral part of the game. So we got to figure that out with them. Intergal. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks again, Mr. Bob Guinea. And thank you, everybody, for listening. We love you here at AFOG. We sure do.

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