The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OGs: Not in Kansas Anymore with Amanda Marsh

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

We’re taking things WAY back with our Bachelor Nation OGs Bob Guiney and Trista Sutter! We’re hanging out with Amanda Marsh, who was the winner of the very first season of The Bachelor! Find out Amanda’s reaction when her fellow finalist, Trista, reveals what happened during a phone call she had with Bachelor Alex Michel! We get caught up on Amanda’s life after leaving the mansion, and she takes us back to the first few weeks of filming when no one knew what to expect!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You pointed to Amanda on my screen. Did I? Trista Sutter, Neyren. And I have Bob Guinea. And that's Bob Gini. Yes. Welcome to the show, everybody. Now, as we have been doing for quite some time now,

just bringing you A-plus content every damn day that we do this. And here we are again. I am with literally the two OGiest of the OGs that we've ever had on the show. I don't think it gets any more OG than this. Not unless Alex was here. Exactly. Unless we had Alex Michelle, which that's never happened. And that guy doesn't, he's like the Groundhog on Groundhog Day.

We only see him like once a year. We don't even see him that much. No, we don't see him that much. But I am with the two finalists from the very first season that The Bachelor was ever on the air. Now I know it seems like a lot longer ago, but it was only, what was it? Was it 2002, 2001? What year was that the season aired? 2002.

Yeah, 2002. Which was a long time ago. Who were we kidding? It was. Oddly enough, we did like 16 shows that season because I was also, I was also the last The Bachelor. So I did Trista's season of The Bachelorette that year. And then 2003, I was the fourth bachelor already. So, I mean, we were just packing it in back then. Cranking it. Yes. We have Amanda Caldwell, who at the time was known, of course, as Amanda Marsh. And Amanda, you were

the winner of the first season of The Bachelor with Alex Michelle. Welcome to the show and thank you for joining us. Thank you. I know it's exciting to see you both. Yeah, it's so exciting. It's crazy. How do you feel about being called a winner? I laugh. It reminds me of like, you know, when Charlie Sheen said he was winning. Winning. It's like, um, how don't we? I mean, first of all, what? I won a man. And then. I know. Yeah. Definitely not a quality relationship either. And so. Oh, who knew? Yeah. How long, how long did you guys stay together, actually? Like, how long were you a couple after the final?

To be honest, about a year. Oh, wow. Okay, that's longer than I anticipated. It is, yeah. Considering long distance and everything, yeah, gave it a good go for about a year. Have you talked to him? No, you know, we would keep in touch until maybe 10 years ago. Just kind of happy birthday emails, how are you?

kind of you know we were all in this weird situation together right and as you get to know someone and you realize oh some of us maybe weren't as authentic as others during filming or now we're in the real world what are you really like um yeah uh but there were i mean no hard feeling so there's just this weird connection I think all of us have having gone through this situation and so and then over time it was just you know what's there left to say and you kind of move on and in a sense it was a relationship and so out of respect for new relationships you just or at least I did let me think yeah yeah you almost you almost kind of have to I mean you know on the other hand you know my ex-girlfriend Trista

has been a part of my life every sense. And her poor husband, who was my roommate on the shell, he has to deal with me. Because I'm always like, hey, buddy, what's going on, man? I'm like that little puppy dog that just won't leave him alone. Yeah, deal with you because you're not easy to deal with. That's right. That's right. Acquired taste.

I always say that about my life. I always go, you know, she's an acquired taste. If you don't like her, acquire some taste. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Well, I didn't watch all of Trista's season, but I was, you know, curious. And I think Trista did a wonderful job. I think there was a lot of, for me, I think nerves are like, okay, how is a woman going to be presented, represented in this situation? But I do remember you, Bob. You were hilarious. And so, yeah, I think it was so adorable and charming. So I think that's awesome that, you know, you have. had your shot at being The Bachelor as well. Oh, well, thank you. I got lucky.

You know, they, Trista made sure they edited me nicely. Oh, yeah. I got lucky there. Yeah. And we were all so lucky. That was my number one priority. Can you please make sure the Bobkin, you get to good edit? She's like, guys, listen, I want you to redo that.

I want you to read you those, you know, two episodes he made an appearance on her, however one that was, okay, remember. Just kidding. So, okay, Amanda, so you go on the show. The first of all, I mean, this was such new news, back then right now it's like it's in the zeitgeist everybody knows what the bachelor is now but back then no one knew what it was how did you find out about it how did you end up on the show you know and and all that good stuff uh well perfect timing maybe is how you can look at it i literally had the

month before quit a job and was unemployed and my uh former sister-in-law who was one of my good friend was living in California and she was moving back to Kansas City to get married. So I flew out to California first time I had ever been there. She picks me up from the airport and we went to the promenade for lunch. And I'll never forget because it's kind of embarrassing, reflecting. I mean, as you probably saw on the show, I wore a lot of turtlenex and I had one on. And I remember all of us did. All of us did. It was a thing. Yeah, it was a thing. It was a thing. Early 2000, for Sure. But we were having lunch and one of the producers came over to our table and asked if we were single. And my friend was engaged. But I was like, man, I'm single. I got nothing going on. I had just moved in to one of my brother's houses with his family. So like feeling really low. So I thought, well, okay, let's look into this. But, you know, being approached, hey, how about this dating show? I thought, no. I mean, you're going to fill me in a basement. Something smart me. And so my friend had an agent and he said, no, this is a real show for ABC.

So the fact, you know, looking for love, yes, I was single, but it was more I get a break from Kansas and I got nothing but time. And an experience, right, a fun experience in L.A. or whatever. Oh, exactly, yeah. Now, I know some of these answers of Trista's experience, but of course I don't know them of yours. So you get out of the limo, right? You don't know who you're meeting, which was like my season was so different because we knew we were meeting Trista. And then when they made me the bachelor, the women knew they were meeting me, right?

So those were both a little bit different. But you guys were really, I mean, you guys were really coming out of the cocoon, right? You're like, you know, like a butterfly. Yeah, it's like, okay, who's this character? We were the whatever you are before you're a butterfly. Like a caterpillar, yeah. Or a baby cat. We were a caterpillar.

So you get out of the limo, you look at Alex Michelle, are you like, oh, my God, this is my guy? Or do you look at him and you're kind of like, well, here we go. I mean, it had less to do with him and more to do with you in that moment, probably. Like, what was your experience like? And wait, I have a follow up to that. Did they show you a picture? Because I know they showed me a picture, like during casting. Did they show you a picture of him?

They offered. So during casting, they said, you know, we have a photo and his bio. but I didn't want to know anything. I mean, to be honest, they didn't really care. I'm just here to get out of Kansas as much as I love Kansas City. I'm like, this is just fun. And Malibu, like, what could go wrong? Right, right.

So no, I didn't want to know. I wanted to just authentically go into it. I kind of figured I probably wouldn't like whoever it was anyway, right? I mean, what are the chances? Right. Some of us have good chances. Thank God. But, so no.

And so then when we got out of the limo, I mean, we were in there for hours consuming a lot of champagne. So I think anyone could look good at that point. But there was not fireworks right at first. I mean, tall, dark hair. I kind of thought, oh, you know. But no, it took some time getting to know a little bit more. personality so yeah and yeah yeah and then once you did i mean did you genuinely start feeling like you were falling in love of them so that's a good question and in the moment i do think psychologically

you get wrapped up in this situation i mean yeah i'm sure it was all similar for our seasons where you're limited no cell phone no tv um like no magazines all you have is to talk about this main character. Yeah. Yeah. And you're being interviewed all day. And at least my season, I got a lot of booze,

which at 23, I was down for. So, you know, over time, yes, you kind of feel like, or at least I did, like he is the last man on earth. Yeah. So it's not so much like I have to win, but you just become a little bit more,

hungry for him. And I did think he was funny. I mean, there were moments, you know, before our relationship carried on, at least during filming, the limited exposure. Yeah, I thought we had some chemistry. Yeah. Well, obviously, I would hope that you wouldn't have chemistry if you end up with, you know, end up with the person at the end of the show, you know, like, you have to have some kind of

chemistry. It was such an experiment, though, at that point, right? Because, I mean, the producers didn't really even know what they were doing. I mean, they were still figuring it out when I was The Bachelor. So I can only imagine at that point of the process, what they were, you know, how they were dealing with things. I mean, you know, well, this is just going to, you know, do we want them to cry here? And I remember back then, too, so much drama. They were minding the drama hard, you know, like just trying to get us to, you know, cry or whatever.

And the booze didn't hurt, you know, unfortunately with the guys that when Tristan was the Bachelorette, you know, we got along. great and the booze just made us get along even better. So I think we were, we almost went in the wrong direction. I almost got kicked off the show behind the scenes because I was having just too much fun. I mean, I remember Fleece pulling me out of the hot time. He's like, you're ruining my show. Relax. You guys don't have to be best friends. I'm like, I love these guys and I love her. I'm just awesome. I was just so happy to be there. Totally. Yeah. I mean, it was so great. I mean, I am so thankful. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, really don't keep up with the show, but I am so thankful, I know, for our season. We all got

along, bonded. I mean, I laugh and often tell people who ask. I mean, I remember rooming with Shannon and helping each other pick out outfits, like, for the same guys, you know, doing each other's hair. Yeah. She's such a great girl, too. You guys, you guys did have such great women on your season. We did. We did. We did. We were fun. Yeah, we were definitely, like, just trying to figure it out and just kind of go with the flow and do whatever because we had no guy we had no idea we had no idea what was happening nothing to you know model or shape this after or protect ourselves from and that matter um i think it was really genuine yes we were kind of led with questioning and good old editing but um you know trying to create some drama i i remember they you know went to my hometown

which I had not lived in for, you know, 10 years or not 10 years, I guess it would have been like five years. But they wanted to take Alex to my dad's grave side. And thank God I was like able to just say no and not, you know, be forced upon that. I'm like, you're not going to get that drama. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Even when I will tell you that, they didn't lose that bag of tricks because even when I was the bachelor, I'll never forget going to Meredith's hometown. And they, they, they pull. in and we went to her grandma's gravesite. And I'm, I'm, I'm miced. I'm like, what are we doing? I don't, I shouldn't be here. This is, we're not there. You know, like, this is not right. Yeah, this is very forced. You know, yeah, it was like, you know, that was a, that was a good one. They went back to the

bag on with me. But I was actually, you know, in retrospect now, I'm thankful that I, you know, if I, if I had to have a genuine moment with someone, that was one, you know, because it was, you know, she, it was very fresh for her to happen during our season. So, but man, it was, it was, it was one of those moments where I'm like, I'm not, I don't think this is the right thing to do. It's a TV show, you know? Yeah, yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other. but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age.

And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers.

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And you'll meet the team behind the scenes at Othrum, the Houston Lab that takes on the most hopeless cases to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you feel like, like nowadays, I feel like a lot of people talk about how, like, their edit, and especially with AI and stuff, I feel like there's a lot of talk about how they can actually make you say something that you never said. And I've always been, like, of the

thought process that you, they can't make you say something. that you didn't say. But it seems like because of AI, they can possibly do that now. I mean, I don't know the technology. I am not a producer. I haven't been on the show in forever. But was there ever a moment that you felt like your words were twisted or, you know, that you said something. But because, you know, it's all in context, too, that, you know, you say something and it's taken out of context. Was there ever a moment like that for you? that you remember? I mean, this was a long time ago.

I know, I was just going to say that. It was a lot. I don't remember tomorrow or yesterday. I don't remember tomorrow. But yes, I do remember this overall sense when watching the show kind of heartbroken and let down. But it's really being naive that so much was, you know, either out of context or the timeframe.

frame. So for example, I mean, I remember the rose ceremonies. You know, hand them out. Okay, give them back. Everyone get back to your places. Retake, retake. And so a lot of those facial expressions, you know, those looks or stairs were not even targeted at that moment. It was just really calculated with their editing. There were some moments where I would share something and not realize, oh, this is going to be air. In particular, when we were in the hotel room before the even first row ceremony, there was discussion. And, you know, I was the sex pot. Anything I said, that's all they wanted to air is all I am is sex, sex, sex. That's your character. Yeah. Yeah, like, great, of course.

And then, you know, the fact that I was busty just puts it all together for them. So, you know, that was a little old and annoying. Yeah. But I did say what I said. said. So like I don't, I mean, I am who I am. I said what I said. And I'll always tell everyone, you know, be careful what you say. It will be used against you. Oh, yeah. Yeah, forever. You know. And ever, and ever. Did they ever, did you guys ever feel like the two of you? Did you ever feel like you were being pitted against one another kind of like, you know,

because I know that that was a game they tried to do from a production perspective as well, right? They always wanted it to steer one way and then go the other way. And was that, I mean, was that ever something where you felt like you might have gone like down a rabbit hole you didn't want to go and you know i mean i i could imagine it was it was a ratings juggernaut for for them so they probably really wanted to play that up you know i don't remember ever being pitted you know like i don't feel like they were i feel like they were legitimately there just in the background was my like kind of take on what i remember from the first season is just they were there obviously when you go into your ITMs, they're asking you questions and that kind of thing.

But at that point in time, I don't know that it was as like cutthroat, if you will, as it is now, where they really figure out like something that drives everyone crazy and they just like keep digging and digging and dig in. Do you know what I mean? But I don't feel like there was, we really truly got along all of us really well, I felt like. And, And until they like separate you and you go into your, I think it was hometowns or like right before hometowns that you go to your like each of us had a separate hotel that we stayed at. We weren't even at the same hotel. I don't know.

Oh, wow. For you, Bob. But we were at different hotels. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they pitted us against each other, which is what I think was so beautiful about it. Because I mean, I grew up with three older brothers.

So going in and I didn't even. stay in the sorority. Like, it was too much for me. So going into this was just a whole bunch of women. I thought, oh, my God. But I really liked everyone. No, I don't think Trista and I got to know each other really well, but we kind of had, you know, kind of groups. I felt like we were always with, but there was never any bad feelings. I never thought of either one of us as like competition or a threat. I mean, you like who you like. you know afterwards I think people want that they want that competition and to pick sides which fine but I love that we all kind of looked after each other because I remember

Trista after the show a few of us would talk to each other like if we had interviews and there were people claiming to know me and you know we'd check in with each other and I you know I just appreciated that you know so much that we all had that bond and one of the best for each other, I think. Yeah. That's awesome. Do you, Amanda, do you know, like, what happened after, um, like, after the rose ceremony for me, do you know what happened?

Like, have you heard the stories? No. I mean, and based on what, like, I was a part of. And then what Alex told me, and then I remember when we watched, I don't know if it was on, if they aired this, or when I worked at a radio station, the program director thought it was funny and gave me the DVD for Christmas. And I watched it once. I can't remember it was like an added ending where he like called you at the end. Right. That's what I was asking about. So at the end, at the end of the rose ceremony, well, like, maybe it was that night. I was talking to Levinson and I'm like, this is just weird. Like, if you break up with somebody, you usually have the ability to like get closure and actually know why and like have an extended conversation. And I was the first to really get down to the end and be like, I fully expected him. And I fully expected him. to propose to me because he had told me that two nights ago. I point blank asked him who would you

choose if you had to choose now. And clearly he was going to say me because he was totally being put on the spot by me. Yes. But I point blank asked him, who are you going to? Are you going to get engaged? Who would you ask right now? This is two days before. And he's like you. So I fully went into the rose ceremony thinking I was getting engaged. And then and then he says, you know, it's not you and I was like I walked away and I was like in the limo saying oh I'm I'm sad but I'll be fine you know like it's it's okay I'm just sad and and then I talked to Levinson later that night and I was like this is just weird like I don't get to talk to him about why like why did he change his mind and it's not me and I fully expected to get engaged and why am I not engaged and what like why

just the big why you know closure and um she was I was like is there any way I can talk to him because I just want to know like just tell me I please if Amanda's your girl then great and you you made that up and you told me that you were going to pick me awesome I wish you guys all the best but just tell me what the hell happens like what's going on and so she was like let me let me call around and see if there's something we can do so they got us on the phone. And during the phone call, he told me he thought he made a mistake. And then he wanted to come over to my hotel room. And they were like, nope, not happening. And at that point, too, I was like, no, I don't know if we should go that far. I just wanted to know what happened. I don't know that

I don't know that now that you've chosen somebody else that I really want to do stuff, or move forward with like stuff. But, but I just, I just wanted to know. Anyway, they put that kibosh on that real quick because they were like, we don't want to have to go back and film, right? So anyway, I just didn't know if you knew that that phone call and that statement, literally he said, I think I may have made a mistake to me, which is why afterwards I go home and I'm like, crap. Like this guy told me, like I like this guy.

I wasn't in love with him, but I liked him. And I was like, he told me he may have made a mistake. Like, what do I do with that? Do you know what I mean? Like, ah, anyway. I had a few theories about, especially as I got to know the type of person he was later. So one, I was asked when we were down to the final three and then the final two, if I'd ever be a bachelorette.

and at that time not knowing what that could look like I was a little terrified of how that might appear back in those days yeah and with already my oversharing and already with my history of relationships I didn't want it to look like I take love lightly and so I instantly said no like no way I could never see myself doing that um which again came off beautiful and all of that, but just unknown, you know, freaked me out. And so from a protective standpoint, I was like, no way. So then a part of me wondered if they had asked you and if you were like, yes, you know, whether you like him or not, if that was ever something you do. And so that kind of helped. They didn't ask me until the finale aired. Oh, okay. So I kind of wondered if that was in the

And then, I mean, of course he's going to save you because you did ask him. Of course. And he's going to have his ball cinched. And he's like, oh. Yeah. You know. I mean, but if he was being honest, he could have been like, honestly, I don't know. Yeah.

I got to wait and see. Two days is a big amount of time in this like short little pressure cooker that you're in. He could have totally said, I don't know. I like you both or, you know, I don't think he was very aware of anyone's feelings but his own, which I learned throughout the year. But the fact that if you watch the Vice documentary, neither one of us were his first pick for many episodes, although we got the first roses with influence.

I never knew that. You know, Alex. I didn't even know what you're talking about. What's this vice document? Yeah. So all the producers that were on our show that were really active, and you probably remember them, if you see it, Alex, we were not his top two picks, or maybe even in the top five.

And he really liked Kimberly and Kathy. Oh, right. I do remember. But Mike, like the blonde, and they kept kind of inserting us. And because we had backgrounds and personalities and they wanted more airtime for us. So that was shocking a little bit too. And I mean, I know there's manipulation. But in that moment when, you know, we're 23, nothing had ever been done like this.

I really didn't think there was so much manipulation, not having any Hollywood. would experience. So even though I don't think Alex was very true to anyone, you know, I feel good. I'm sure you were. You know, I was true to myself and my feelings. And so at least I can sleep about that. But yeah, I mean, do you remember the email that came out that he and the company tried to shoot down that he sent to friends saying, yeah, well, Amanda is a little bit sadder

of Trista. He did not. Yes, that came out like in the news. And he was saying, no, I never had to have been hacked. I never would have said something like that. Well, I received from an anonymous source a whole bunch of emails about him talking about high school girls. And they were also very, really damaging words.

And so it just began to grow that, oh, my gosh. Yeah. This is when you guys were together. after the show? And that's when things were ending. I mean, how do you want to say, you know, it's because I found out you guys still talked or slept together, which, I mean, I do think he should have shared that in a relationship. He should have kind of disclosed a lot more than he did. That we were still talking for sure. I mean, yeah, we were writing, because of where I was coming from, I was like, I, if I can write him a letter, and that was all we had at that time, you know, we didn't exchange phone numbers.

So I would write him a letter and most of them I didn't send. And then I remember he sent one back and he's like something about leaving a door open or something. And at that point, I was kind of like, I just wanted closure. Like I just wanted to know that you're good with Amanda. Like I don't need to move forward, but I just in that moment, I just needed to be able to like, you know, like, know what he, what was going through his head. when he told me certain things. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly,

and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other,

but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. then against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

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Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I feel like Amanda, have you done a lot of therapy over the years? Because you are so well adjusted about all this kind of stuff. Like, I mean, you're just like, you know, and it was just an experience and I'm okay. It's like, I love it because I mean, I talked to some people who, you know, 20 years ago and they're still pissed off about, you know, someone cutting them off in the, in the grocery store parking. Yeah. You're just like, yeah, you know, I started realizing who he was and I was okay with letting me go. I mean, you just have such a nice demeanor.

It was hard, you guys. I mean, it was hard. And yes, I mean, right after the show finished, I, we were totally dropped. Like our relationship, any support, we were just ghosted. I'd not know what to do with myself. You know, I tried to live in California. I couldn't figure out career-wise what I should do. I kind of felt like there was this expectation since I had been on TV. I was really turned off with Hollywood, having gone to some events and meeting, like Alex, instantly jumped on that bandwagon. And it just was not authentic what I was around. And so when I got the job offered to be a DJ at a radio station and be on the morning show, I was like, absolutely, no place like home. Get me out of here. I had trouble.

I, you know, started having panic attacks. Alex would come visit and we'd go to a mall and I remember the first one we were on our way to a movie and I had to get in a corridor and I just was blacking out, couldn't breathe, didn't know what was happening and so panic attacks, depression, there was not a lot of social media, but there was enough out there about, we have 5'8, I had triple D breasts at the time and, you know, a size 4 or 6, which isn't huge. I still am that. but I mean I was body ashamed and so I got on antidepressants and I did I had years of therapy you know I I want to say something about that I mean I can actually you know relate a little bit to that because when I was on Trista's season you know I was a little heavier than I'd been previously in my life because I played sports and everything and I remember I was the funny fat guy everywhere I went and I was like what the hell are you talking about you know and so it was kind of it was one of those things where I know that could be really difficult. I went through it

too. So I can only imagine how that had to feel as a beautiful woman. You know, my, I guess my revenge in my head, not that I needed revenge, but everyone would always come up and go, oh my God, you're not fat. And I'd be like, yeah, thanks. I'm glad four people out in front of, you know, pack son tell me that when, you know, three million viewers think I'm a pig. But it was like, I get that that can be really hard, you know, and so good for you to. You look so much better in person. Oh, yeah, I get that. I still get that one.

Right? All the time. Yeah, I still get that one. No, it was hard, but I, you know, I think there was a lot even behind that. I mean, losing my dad at the age of 12. I think abandonment, a whole bunch of development issues I had to deal with. I had been bullied because I had some breast development issues when I was growing up. I mean, there's so much more to my past, like all of us, that makes us who we are. And then I was in this very vulnerable situation without really any safety net.

So I had to find it, which I did. And then, you know, with my career, I mean, that is my ultimate goal. I work in health care and dermatology. And to get the trust of these patients who come in and have to gown up so I can scan their body for gang the answer, make sure they're comfortable, help them love themselves. I mean, it's so rewarding. Well, good for you. I mean, you definitely, you can tell you've, I mean, I'd never have known you before, obviously. I think, I think we may have met once, I think a long, a long time enough. But I was, I was going to say, you know, it had to be so interesting because coming off of

that experience, I mean, again, you were both groundbreaking and everything you were doing, as was Alex. And I think, you know, it's one of those things that it, it definitely, made the path for people who came after you that much easier, but it didn't make it easier for you all going through it. And so I can only imagine, you know, I think, you know, good for you dealing with it and taking it head on and turning it all into a positive. I mean, that's wonderful. Thanks. I know. Trista, I always laugh. What did you think, which this is a compliment, because I think it's a very flattering position to have had. But with your degree and they listed you as a Miami Heat dancer versus having had your professional.

Well, when you were talking about how you were the sex pot, I'm like, I was the dancer. That was me. That was me. We were all one-dimensional characters back then, you know? Totally. I had been, I had been, yeah. Whatever, it was what it was. I was like, yeah, that's part of me.

But I tried to talk about being a physical therapist as much as possible and hope that that was sick, you know. Yeah. It wasn't like we were, you know, creating. websites or have an Instagram, you know, presence or whatever. So no, it is interesting that they latch on to that kind of stuff, but that's

always, I mean, it is, in the end it's a television show and they're trying to get people to watch and you know, even though I think it's really cool to be smart and have other qualities of your physicality. Yes, yes, you can have brains and be hot.

You know, I I think what a lot of people don't realize is that's how I originally captured Trista's heart was I, too, was a dancer. And when I came on the show, I busted out the running man, the Irish jig. And I think that that both of those moves, both of those moves, you know, really caught her attention because of her dance background. So, I mean, I could have come in, I could have come in and like try to do, you know, some strengthening exercises as a physical therapist would also enjoy it. But that I knew my way in. I knew it. Just didn't know that I was going to do it until I was doing it.

You were totally memorable. You were darling and you were darling then, too. Yeah. Thank you. Very, very sweet. Very sweet to say that. Thank you so much. Well, thank you very much for being on the show with us and being a part of this.

I mean, you know, Trista and I, when we were first starting this thing off, this is exactly what we wanted was to have, you know, people who really were on it in the very beginning, who had these experiences. And, you know, now it's a totally different beast, right? But back then, things were a little simpler, probably a little more complicated in certain ways, I guess, just because of the fact that we didn't know what we were getting into. But it was such a pleasure having you on. And thank you for being a part of the show with us.

Thank you. Oh, I love getting to see you both. Yeah, it was so nice. And I think it also was really helpful, like with Trista, to be able to talk and kind of have closure about that time in our life as well. Yeah. And it's so nice that we're all doing great. That's right. We are.

We are. Congratulations on your family and your marriage and everything else. And thank you again so much for joining us and have a wonderful rest of your day. Thanks, my God. You're welcome. Take care. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. That was awesome.

I love having it. And I hope, you know, it did seem like you guys got a chance to kind of connect on some things that may have been, you know, sticking points for a while, right? Yeah. I mean, I wonder if, you know, I mean, I really don't ever think about Alex. I mean, it was a long time ago. And I have been happily married for almost 20 years and a few months. So, like, I don't think about him. But when her name popped up as coming on the podcast, I was like, oh, well, I wonder how this is going to go.

Like, does she still like? For some reason, I think I, I think I read about how, you know, she blamed me for their breakup. And obviously, she is happily married and, you know, a mother. And, you know, she has a whole different life. So I would think that, you know, it wouldn't. Oh, she just texted me. Big hugs to you and Bob. Oh, awesome.

So, I, you know, I was like, oh, gosh, like, how is this going to go? go down. Is she going to, you know, does she still, like, think that? Um, so it's always, she was probably saying she was thanking you for their breakup. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. That's the kind of line. I always throw out there, whatever. Someone brings up Estella. I'm like, oh, trust me. She's lucky. She got away from this disaster. But no, I feel like, um, you know, I think time in space from anything gives you such a different perspective in life, right? I mean, And here we are, you and I, I mean, I always knew we'd be friends forever. I knew that from the second.

We met. But it's one of those things like you look at this history. And a lot of people, you know, didn't get the type of treatment that you and I both got from Bachelor Nation and everything else. A lot of people went through different experiences. And so they almost like separate themselves as far as they can from the whole experience. And I think, you know, that's something that, you know, she kind of went through it. And she was the winner, so to speak. And then it's like, you know, and she's also the one that's maybe in a relationship that

isn't what she wants, but she feels like the pressure she has to stay in it and all that kind of stuff. I mean, I wish I would have even asked for that. But I just feel like it's one of those things that I think she seems like a really, I meant what I said. Like she seems like she's definitely dealt with not just this, but with everything, you know. You're right. Because that's hard. Like being on the first show and having to come out and she, you know, she kind of alluded to the fact that she was they were ghosted you know they were just okay you guys go on about your happy life and we're going to continue to do stuff and she didn't feel supported so that's hard um especially with getting kind of not kind of but bullied like on um you know on the internet through the

message boards anyway we got to go we got to wrap thank you everybody for listening in we love our AFOG podcast. And until next time, he's Bob Guinea. She is Trista Sutter, nay, Wren. Bye, everybody. Peace out. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, But luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

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