The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OGs: Playing Favorites with Holly Durst

Episode Date: April 19, 2024

Our Bachelor Nation OGs Bob Guiney and Trista Sutter are catching up with Holly Durst from Matt Grant’s season in 2008!   Holly has a shocking confession to admit to Bob that could totally change the way you look at Joey’s season!   And she shares secrets from her Bachelor Pad success story romance!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are here. We are ready to go. we are ready to go and ready to path to Holly Durst, Holly Julian, we should say. She honestly, just like Tenley, who we just had on, is one of my all-time favorites. I just adore her. And she's always so bubbly and fun. And I just wish I lived in the same city as her. She's one of those people that you were like, you're like, I wish we lived in the same city because we would hang out all the time.

Or at least I would want to hang out all the time. You know, who knows if she'd want to hang out with me? but I love her. I'm sure she would. You guys are very similar personalities as I think. I always think you're so bubbly and fun. So it's always great to get. And you're right.

We just had Tenley on the show. And my God, she's like 39 weeks pregnant or whatever she is. And it's like she is just so sweet and kind and just engaging. It's like she could be, you know, just thinking about everything she's got going on right now. But she's not. She's totally cool about her. everything. So we have had some great guests this week. So I'm very excited to meet Holly. Agreed. So bring Holly in. Hi.

Welcome to the almost famous O.G.'s hour. What do I owe this honor? I mean, seriously, and seriously, you are in Cabo, aren't you? I saw your stories today. I'm home. It took me a full day to get home because travel got messed up and I was flying home. Oh, I did see that. Okay. I didn't put it to make it home. tell us but i'm telling back yes it took you a day right you had to go through three or four different cities to get home three i was supposed to go have a layover in dallas quickly and then get on my flight to south carolina but my flight from covo got delayed like four hours and so i wasn't i've seen the connecting flight and there were no other flights and so the only way the earliest

possible time i could get home was the next day and they said 630 p.m so a 12 28-hour travel day. And I was like, there's no way. My mom's a flight attendant. I grew up on an airplane. I'm like, I'm calling the airlines. And I was like, okay, I found this. And they were like, oh, okay, we can get you home tomorrow morning.

They couldn't even figure it out. And I was like, okay, so I had to go Cabo to Phoenix, Phoenix to Philadelphia, Philadelphia, down to Greenville. Oh, I am Lord. So, but I ran into a guy from The Bachelorette in Phoenix. I was like, hey, buddy, I know you. I was like, oh, my God, we're every year. There's been so many scenes. We are everywhere.

We are. Yeah, we are everywhere. It's a very tight-knit community out there. Yes. We are everywhere. It's so good to see you. It's been so long. You look amazing as ever.

You guys look so good, too. Oh. So nice of you to include me in that. We all know you're really saying, Trista, looks. as well. No, no, no. Listen, I feel like forever ago, I did some sort of interview or something, and everybody said, who was your favorite bachelor of all time? And I said you. What? Thank you. I loved you. Well, thank you. That is very sweet of you. So you and my mom, I rank as their favorite. Everybody else, bottom of the barrel. Right. You were even better than my bachelor.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Well, thank you. That's a very kind compliment. I appreciate it. I accept. I love that. Yeah, I accept. I accept your compliment. Absolutely. Tell us about life these days.

We know that you are a mama, proud mama to two babies. And you went the adoption route. And I'd love to hear how you guys chose you and Blake, of course, who you met on, did you guys meet on Bachelor Pat? Yeah, met on the, and then he proposed on the finale. So I guess technically we're a success story, but we kind of just disappeared. I think that's a total success story. Someone had done an, they ranked, like People Magazine or something,

did a ranking of all the people still together. And Trista, you are obviously number one. And then I think Jason and Molly are two. And now Blake and I are number three. I was like, what? We're the third longest couple. Awesome. That is awesome.

And you've been married for how long? um this summer will be 12 years so 13 years since bachelor ped because we got married a year after we met i love that yeah yeah i was like oh hello perfect stranger sure sure i'll marry you we all know that deal but hey it worked out yeah i'd say so you got past a seven year it's and now you're well past the seven year right so that's perfect isn't it like the seven year than the 12 year is a hard year, too. That's what they say. They say if you can make it by year 12, you're pretty good.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Well, not yet. I still got a few months. Okay. I'll check in with you in a few months. We still got time, yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, Blake and I met on the show and then got married a year later. And then the day we got married, we started trying for, children. We were, I think, 29 when we got married. So we were like, let's start having kids. And it didn't work. So we tried everything.

And then, you know, a couple years into it, we're like, all right, I guess we'll start seeing a fertility specialist and figuring this out. And I mean, we, I did IVF several times. Didn't work. We ended up getting a surrogate. And she did get pregnant, but we lost that baby. and it was no no no i'm grateful for everything that happened um in the time it was hard so i always encourage people who are going through infertility i was like you know what it is all worth it in the

end it doesn't matter how you get your babies it is worth it um so uh our surrogate was like cried with us and grieved with us on that and she was like i have to do this again and i was like no no we're not putting you through this again she was like no i need to do this again for you guys And so we did it again, she got pregnant again, and then we lost that baby again. And like, Blake was not on the adoption train at this point. I knew that that was, I was like, I'm ready, but he wasn't. And then I think after we lost that second baby, he was like, bottom line is I want a family. And I'll do anything that it takes to get a family.

So we ended up adopting Poppy seven years into infertility. Oh my goodness. I didn't realize it was that long. Seven years we tried. Like we went, I mean, we did everything possible in those seven years. So it was a very long time. And then people all the time ask how we got her name Poppy. And then there was an old poem from World War II about how after the war,

there was like the barren battlefields and nothing would grow in these barren battlefields they were just empty for so long and then one day poppy started growing on them and I was like these are poppy that grew on our barren battlefields. Oh my God, I'm gonna cry. I love that.

I was thinking of Princess Poppy from the trolls movie. No, although excellent movie. Love it. I was going to say literally my favorite character on any cartoon movie. Such a good movie. I know people all the time but now she watches the trolls movie and was like,

she's just like me. And I'm like, oh, that's so awesome. So after the flower, not the troll. Yes, of course, of course. That is such an incredible story of just persistence and faith and gosh, heartbreak. You know, I got to say, too, I mean, I know so many people have struggled with infertility,

and a lot of couples don't make it through that because it becomes the blame game. and this kind of weird challenge for the for couples to do that and for you like i know you were teasing you're like hi person i've never met you hardly met i'm going to marry you but i think it's it says so much about your guys relationship and about each of your character that you you you came out of that stronger than you went into it and and you know i i just wow i just love i love your story i mean i don't love all the pain the pain and heartache i know that part but it was worth it it was so worth it to go through what i went through to have my children that i have

now. I can't imagine my life without them. So I'm, I'm grateful for the infertility. Yeah. I love it. It's a strange perspective to look at, look back at it. And like, people that are going through it now, I'm like, if there is a will, there is a way. If you want children, you can have them. You just have to, you know, find out which way you get them. Well, the adoption process is hard too. Yeah, I mean, isn't the adoption process also pretty challenging? I mean, it takes time and it's rough. And it's heartbreaking. and um poppies a birth mom wrote me through instagram surprisingly and she contacted me through instagram and i you know talked to her and then after she was born it was it i it was so bittersweet

because you like wanted this for so long but then i felt so guilty about like i felt like i took a baby away from their mother i was like this is an awful feeling i was like i'm so afraid to love you because I just, I'm like, I'm breaking someone else's heart right now. And I know that was her decision and everything, but it was still such a bittersweet feeling. Yeah. But I'm so close with her birth mom now that I'm like, yes, I couldn't have asked for a better relationship with her.

She's wonderful. We talk all the time. We send pictures back and forth. So it's amazing. That's wonderful. That's incredible. Does Poppy know her? we go visit her

like once a year we'll see her and yeah it's a wonderful relationship but I'm thankful for it that we have that because you know I feel like there's going to be some hard questions that she's going to have growing up and I never want it to be

hard for her to be able to be like oh can I go talk to her or you know I just I wanted to always be normal and she knows like she knows that she grew in her belly she always tells people that I grew in she's like I grew in my mommy's heart, not her tummy.

Oh, my God. I love her. Yes, she's wonderful. I can hear her upstairs. She's supposed to be in bed, but she's jumping her up there. How old is Poppy? She's four and a half now. What about Knox?

Do you, same thing with like the birth mom, the biological mom, do you have that kind of relationship? We talk, not as close, but I honestly, Knox is only one now. So, I mean, I've had time to develop a relationship with Bobby's birth mom. But, so Knox's birth mom, she's in Texas. And we haven't gone out to Texas yet, but eventually we will. And, but it's, yeah, it's just like completely, she wrote me on Facebook. So it's like, it's weird.

No way. Yeah, I was like, I got both of my children from social media, which is wonderful. Because they say, like, 90% of adoptions are through, like, through social media now. is that right way yeah so how does it work like i'm really curious because someone could reach out to you but don't you have to go through an adoption agency or do you work out like an agreement or how does that all work um not necessarily through an agency we used one with knox um that was like a local one here but um you can go through lawyers if like that's what we did because we had our you really go through an agency to be matched up and then both of them wrote me through a

social media. So I could have done both with lawyers, but we had an agency already that we were signed up with. So we're like, we'll just let them handle everything. But the lawyers did poppy's, oh, hi, Poppy. Do you want to come say hello? Hi, Poppy. How are you? Hi there. Oh my gosh, is that little mermaid on your jammies? Yeah, this is the white way. I asked me to put the wrong way when I was three. Oh, nice But now you do it the right way Yeah

You can do it the right night We all are in it Yeah Is that all that made your favorite? Yeah Is that what you're watching up Sears? Mm-hmm Hey, have you seen the pictures of your mom

dressed up as Cinderella and Elsa and You remember when I used to be a princess? Yeah Oh, I kissed you, I have lipstick all of your kids I love you. Yeah, I got grow, that is going to grow big. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's true.

All right. Gotta keep talking, okay? Will you go finish your movie? I love you. Bye, Poppy. Bye, Poppy. Oh, my goodness. She's so cute.

Oh, my God. She is so cute. I'm so glad she got to come to me. I really think, like the weirdest thing to think, like, I feel like she's my soulmate. In the weirdest way. Like one night I was like praying and I was like, God, please let my soul and her soul be together in the next lifetime. Because I just loved so much. And then the next day, she looked at me randomly and goes, Mommy, do you know that we used to be sisters before this?

No, she didn't. And I was like, what? She was like, before this life, we were sisters. And then my sister calls me and goes, sounds like you prayed that in your last lifetime. Oh, my gosh. He talks to angels all the time, just hanging around my house. I mean, Poppy does. Oh, Poppy does.

My mother-in-law has passed away, and she will just start chatting with her and tell me things about her. And I'm like, hmm? Like, I encourage it because, like, I'm super spiritual. So I was like, yeah. Yeah. Tell me about it. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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You know, like they would do tractor rise together. And we moved back to Michigan right before COVID. And so those that year and a half, almost two years where we was just us, you know, it's just a little, our little circle. And Grayson talks about my dad all the time. And it's like, he'll go, yeah, Papa G, he would, he would think this right now. He tells me all the time. And I'm just like, I know it's true. I'm like, oh, my God, I love it.

For sure. I think when we're, when you're younger, you don't shut it off. You know, when you get older, we're like, oh, we like get scared of it, I guess. Yeah. And so, like, you're younger, you see it all the time. And she'll randomly tell Blake be like, do you know, Angel Karen was your best friend when she was here? She told me to tell you that. And I'm like, okay, you know, but she'll talk all the time.

She'll be like, there's angels in my room. And I'm like, do you want them in here? She's like, yeah, they just told me they want to protect me. I was like, okay, then they can stay. So just like, I mean, the story she tells me. I was like, all right. That's such a great response. I'm borrowing that one from you, if you don't mind.

No, take it. Take it. We're family after all. That's right. That's right. We're family. I love it. Speaking of the Bachelor Nation family, do you watch anymore?

I didn't watch. I kept saying, I'm going to watch Joey season. I'm going to watch Joey season. And I'm like, because I thought, I'm like, Joey is so cute. I think he's adorable. I was like, I need to watch Joey season. But life with two really little kids is a little difficult right now. And I was like, okay, I'm going to watch it before the finale.

And I still haven't watched it. But I was like, okay, I'm going to binge one. I'm glad you didn't watch it because he probably would have taken over as your favorite bachelor. So I'm actually happy. I've heard nothing but great things about him. I'm not watching for anything from here on out. Good. I love it.

I know. I feel so good right now. Oh, I feel so good right now. Okay. And then Andy Dorfman moved in the same city. Have you guys seen each other? No. So I'm friends with her husband.

And it's so funny. Every, yeah. So I knew like they were getting married. So he, okay, here's the best part. I ran into them randomly at a bar downtown. And we were, I went up and then was talking to him and saying hi. And he's like, hey, how did Blake get you to move to Greenville? Because she, I think she lived in L.A.

And then I lived in L.A. at the time when Blake, yeah. Oh, maybe she's actually, nevermind. She had moved to L.A. You're right. You're right. Yeah, because she's from Atlanta originally. And then she moved to L.A. So then, like, he was like, how did you get, how did Blake get you to move to Greenville?

And I was like, he proposed. And he was like, okay. And I was like, is that what you're going to do? He was like, well, I better start thinking about it. And then he proposed pretty shortly after that. So I was like, okay, he listened. That's amazing. And then she moved here.

But so the thing is, everybody comes up and asks me like, oh, my God, I met Andy. I'm like, I still met her. And then I guess. Oh, my. So many people have gone up to her and said, like, I'm friends with Holly. And she was like, I hear great things about her, but I haven't met her yet. That's funny. I mean, actually, it's very rare that I leave my house.

If I'm leaving my house and getting on an airplane. Yeah. So otherwise, if I'm home, I'm home. I'm just like, I'm such a home body. How far is Greenville from like, I can Google it, I'm sure. I know how far is Greenville from like Orangeburg? Where's Orangeburg? In South Carolina.

where my mom was born and I feel like it's got to be close to you I don't know why I don't know where it is I've never heard of it yeah I'm gonna Google that how about Charleston um that's like three and a half hours oh I'm I'm like up in the mountains on like the the west coast of South Carolina so I'm in Charlotte and Atlanta oh okay so I can get to either city in under two hours wow that's a pretty good location yeah Trista you've been here I have I I feel like, I feel like we saw each other. Did we go out for lunch or, like, go shopping or something? Didn't we?

I met you downtown in Greenville. Yes. And then, we took you little gift gift shops, right? Yes. Yes. And then we have the cutest downtown ever. It's so cute here. The whole street is like lit with Christmas lights all year around.

It's adorable down here. And then we had lunch somewhere, I think Columbia, South Carolina. I feel like we did. So I feel like Ryan was doing a triathlon or something. Yeah, because that's like an hour and a half from my house. So I remember meeting you for pizza. We went out for pizza one time down there somewhere. It's been so long.

It's been so long. And I wish back then people took more pictures or at least I took more pictures because that's my memory. I don't think we have any. Yeah. I don't think we do from that day. We didn't take any. And then I think we ran into each other in New York. yes exactly right i've seen you a few times i mean over the years um i don't know that i've ever

met blake so maybe actually wasn't was i a judge on your season of bachelor pad yes you you picked me to win oh you sent me to the finely thank you thank you yeah come on trista i swear my brain. I need to go to a neurologist. Blake wasn't there. I had already kicked Blake off because Michael and I were partners. Oh my gosh. Yes, you're bringing it back to me.

That's right. Okay, so I got asked to do. Michael and I had not spoken in like 10 years after that. Okay. It's like was eating me alive after the finale. Every single day I was like, I feel so bad. All this went down. Like I don't know.

I broke his heart. and then I moved away and I was engaged and I'm like and then I wasn't able to be like hey how you doing because I'm like I have to respect Blake this is awkward anyway so we got asked to do a podcast together and like reconcile on the point I feel like I remember this I do remember see it this was like a couple years ago a year or two ago it was last year okay yeah and so we it was great it was like I was like I'm close to heart you were like it's okay, Holly. Life happened the way it was supposed to happen. I'm like, I know, but I still just been eating me alive. Like, I've had this, like, burden for so long. And it was just really nice to, like, talk to him and catch up and stuff. So all is good.

That's awesome. Yeah. I bet. I bet that's hard because I do remember the finale where I didn't Harrison say, like, oh, so does Michael know about you and Blake or something like that? Well, Blake had called the producers and said, I don't want to rub this engagement in Michael's face. I don't want to air the engagement video while he's sitting there watching it. And what I should have done was call Michael and be like, hey, I'm engaged.

But it was like, Blake and I had just gotten engaged. It was so awkward to be like, let me call my ex right now. I'm engaged. Yay, let's call my ex boyfriend or my ex-fiance. And so I was like, oh, I was like, I'll just talk to him when I get there before we go on stage. as soon as we pull in they take our phones away and I was like oh no so the first time I see him is on stage

and I was like oh my gosh and they had aired the engagement video and then brought Michael and I out on stage and Chris Harrison was like congratulations Holly and I was like and Michael's like and then he goes Michael do you know

and then he was like yeah I heard Holly's moving to South Carolina and he was like no and then everybody looks at me and I was like oh it was so incredible yeah but Blake was like made made the producers sign things that said we will not air this in front of Michael we won't rub it in his face all these things but then they like found a loophole by airing it and then bringing Michael out of course of course drama right they are the master manipulators those people yeah the hate mail that I got oh I bet oh well it needs to you didn't have social, or did you have social media back then? Was there social?

No. There was Facebook, but there wasn't Instagram. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Tristan and I have often said we got pretty lucky during that time that when we did the show because there was no social media. It was bad enough that the chat rooms would shred us the bits, but it wasn't as easy.

Awful. I didn't know about them until I was off the show and people were like, don't go on and read those. I was like, I'd like read this stuff about me. I'm like, what are they even talking? There's making things up about. my life. I know. Somebody had written like, oh, someone clearly like never worked a day in her life and probably uses all daddy's money. And I was like, no, I worked since I came out of the womb. Right. I know. I was like, why are people just making things up about me? I was so

mean. People are so mean. Yeah. So when I went a backboard pad, I was like, everyone can take a middle finger because I'm not putting up with anybody's lives anymore. So speaking of work, is it true that you own a tanning salon or spray tanning? Yeah, spray panting business. That's awesome. That's why I always always don't go. I don't leave home with that one. Yeah, so I spray out like the pageant girls and, you know, all that proms, whatever.

We have a lady in our neighborhood that she built in in her basement a gorgeous, like tanning, like a spray tanning salon. So you just close like this barn door and she sprays away. And it is legit. I'm like, that is, that's amazing. Highly recommend a spray tan to everybody. It will change your life. Yeah, really will want it. Bob, do you need one?

Have you ever had one? I, so my, I will tell you, my wife has a spray tan machine that she does for herself and, uh, and anyone that comes over. And every now and then she'll walk over to me and she'll go, come on in, you're a little pasty. And she'll be like, shh, and she'll spray me down. And I feel like I feel amazing. Like I feel like I'm 10 years younger, 20 pounds lighter.

Yeah, it makes you look like you've lost at least 10 pounds, which is wonderful. I love it. I don't go on vacation without one. That you, you were Mrs. South Carolina. Correct. And then would you, had you done pageants before, you'd done pageants before then as well, right? Or no, that was your first one. I had never, yeah, somebody, I judged the Miss South Carolina pageant and I'm like watching this. And I was like, why did nobody tell me about pageants growing up? This is so much fun. And somebody was like, you should do the missis, you do the Mrs. Pagent. And I was like, yeah, sign me up. And then the next thing I got a phone call. Somebody had really signed me up. And I was like, that's so cool. I was joking. I was joking. But then I, so I was like, okay, I'll do the page, and I don't know what I'm doing. And then I won.

And I was like, oh, all right. So now what? And I had to go to Mrs. America in Vegas. And it was like, there was 51 girls. And I was still, I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. And then all of a sudden they called like the top six people. And I'm in it.

And I was like, what? That's so awesome. I do not know what I'm doing still. Not true, clearly. Yeah. I was like, all right. So it was a good time. was fun memory.

Oh my God. That's so great. Would you have Poppy do them? If she wants to. Like she started, she has a dance recital coming up next month and she's like, I can't wait to be on the stage. I was like, yes, girl, me too. That is totally how Blake'sley was.

Blake'sley, we went, it was actually anyway, long story short. The people from so you think you can dance were there and they were doing like a master class. wanted to go to it. She was probably, I don't know, six, seven, something like that. And she had been dancing since she was two, but we're standing in the back.

And she's like, mom, when are they going to get off the stage? Because I want, I want the stage. And I was like, oh, okay. So, yeah. It's so much fun. Dance, mom. I have all the tips. Just call me.

Yeah. Well, I spray tan. There's the dance studio that she danced at. I spray tan all the dancers for the competition. So I'm like, I know what I'm getting to do. Yes. I know it's coming for me. You're going to be in business for years and years and years because everyone's just going to continue to come to you through the day studio.

I've been doing it for, I think, 17 years now. So I. Yeah, so it was funny because on my season of The Bachelor, I got the first one-on-one date in the house. And then there was a group date. So there was one other girl on the show that the girl ended up winning. Her and I were the only two in the house because everybody was on a group date and we had the two one on once that week. And she was like, we're just laying around talking and they're filming us. And she's like, I feel so pale.

The sun's not here. It's just raining. And I was like, why packed my spray tan machine? And she goes, what? I was like, yeah, I want a spray tan? So then the next scene cuts to just me spray tanning her. And I was like, I love that it. made the show.

That is awesome. I cannot remember who was your bachelor. His name was Matt Grant. Matt Grant. The English man. He'd had him on the show. Yeah. Really?

I actually, you know, it's funny, Holly, I had you just pegged to win that show with Matt. It was so funny because I was still watching the show pretty regularly back then. And then I actually was, I ran into him. So wait, so you left me and I. Yes, it's true. It's totally true. But I was, I was like, there's no way Holly doesn't win this thing. But I actually kind of thought it would come down to you.

And it was Shane, Shana, right? Was her name, Shana? Shane. Yeah, Shane. I thought I was going to win too. Like, I legit thought I was going to win. And like, I came home off the show and I called my job and I was like, hey, I'm home. And they were like, oh, we honestly thought you were just going to win.

win the whole thing and, like, get married and move away. And I was like, okay, everybody had a lot of faith in me and it didn't work. Well, it didn't work. I was going to say it didn't work either way because, you know, Matt's back and across the pond without anyone from the show. So I think, you know, you all worked out the way you're supposed to. When I was in London, he reached out. I was like, hey, buddy, I'm good.

All set, pal. Thanks, though. All set. You should Google me. You know, what I bet it up to. When I was on the show, I had, like, short blonde hair, and I was like, first of all, that was a mistake. But when I don't wish you had that hairstyle anymore? No, I'm good.

When I was just in Cabo, everyone pulled up my Bachelor picture, and they were, they sent it in the group chat with all the, there was like 20 of us girls. And they sent it in there. I was like, okay, guys, I look like a news anchor. This is just bad. It was all bad. I look way better now in my 40s than I do in my 20s. Hold on. I'm going to try and find this picture.

Oh, he's looking it up. No, no. Oh, no. You don't know how about me anymore. That one. Yes, I totally remember that. Oh, my gosh. You were so cute then, too.

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And Ryan is just salt to the earth, like the greatest man that's ever lived. And then Max is just their son. It's just really quiet and he's playing on his phone and stuff. And Trista, I don't know if she did it to get me, to get my goat or to get Max. but she's like, Max, this is Bob. He's my ex-boyfriend. And then she, like, walks away. And I'm like, what?

Hey, Max? You know, P-S, Max didn't even hear it. I don't think he cared. Max is like, oh, hey, what's up? No. No. I'm playing, I'm playing, uh, Collierty here. Yeah, he didn't care.

He could care less. Tristan's just laughing. And I'm like, how, this woman, she gets me every time. You know what? I just feel like I call thing, I find humor in life and, and just this It's a little that life is all about, you know? Everything in my life's a joke. Has to be.

It has to be. So why not? Just call it out. Tell us spade to spade. He's my ex-employed. So Bob was on your season. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Then you went, okay. I don't remember much, but. So Trista, Trista is the fairy godmother of the show, and I'm the great, great, great-grandfather of the show. Yeah. So people all the time were like, when were you on the show to me? And I'm like, okay, back in 1982, there was a little, program.

It was in black and white. You might remember it. I joke around all the time. I'm like, Instagram wasn't around. Yeah. Oh, you are a true OG. Yeah. That's what I just said to the guy on,

that was on Hannah Brown season. And he's on Bassman Paradise. But I, like, I was looking at him in the airport, and I was like, I know this guy. I know him. I remember? I think his name is Connor. I was like.

Connor. Yes, Connor from Hannah Brown season. yes i am like i'm attracted to guys noses weird but i was like i remember this nostril i remember and i got to look him up hold on i was like i know i know him and like i kept looking at him and then he caught me a couple times and i was like oh shit i did not i was like okay so then i was like i don't know if it's for sure him i'm not going to walk up to a guy and be like hey right what's your name so i was like okay so i googled connor from the bachelor's and then his instagram popped up and i was like okay i found his instagram but he hasn't posted in a really long

time is this the guy let's get see it come back i you you're not on my screen oh i'm not okay i'll talk so i am yeah scoop back scoop back yeah you're out of out of focus am i out of focus that's Yes, that's him. That's him. He does have a fine nostril. He has a fine nostril. There you go. There's another picture of his nostril.

I can't see it. No? Okay, but that's him. I recognize the shadow of him. It's the shape of him. Anyway. I mean, honestly, there's so many of us that I feel like you just, you're going to run into somebody. Go out of your house.

I could have walked up to him. And I was like, hi, what's your name? And he was like, uh, Connor. And I was like, hi, Connor. I'm Holly. I was also on the show. And he was like, oh. And then we just talked for like 20 minutes.

And then I was like telling him about how Blake and I were on Bachelor Pad. I was like, Bachelor Pad was what was before Bachelor in Paradise. That's right. People went on to win money. And I was like, and then my husband happened to propose in the end. And they were probably like, we should probably do another show where people don't, we don't give anybody money. We just get rings at the end.

So I think, I think that's Rebecca in Paradise started. I bet. Yeah, when you, when you walked away with a sack of cash, they're like, we got to figure out how to make this cheaper. I walked away with the ring and the money. Yeah, you killed it. I really made out. When you're winner, chicken dinner.

Chicken dinner. And we're the only couple to ever, were the. only married couple from Bachelor Pad, so. That's awesome. It's amazing. I, it's hard to believe that it's been that long. I know. I feel like they're going to bring it back. I actually wonder, like, some kind of, I watch the challenge, and it's like big brother

people and MTV people and, you know, all kinds of reality show people. And I feel like they definitely, like, I love the challenge part of it. like physical stuff, and they don't have anything like that in the Bachelor world. So they definitely should. I think it would be really fun. I loved Bachelor Pad. I thought it was awesome. It was so good and so fun to watch.

And I love the took on just. Yeah. Yes. They were all good. They were and they were lighthearted too. Like for the most part, it was like lighthearted and fun. And like I thought I loved that show. In fact, I think I told Trista this story.

But when I got a call from. producers, and they were like, you know, we want you to do Bachelor Pad. And I was like, to host it? And they're like, no, to go on it. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no. I'm like, I would get killed on that show. And they're like, what do you mean? I'm like, so it's like Survivor meets the Bachelor.

And they're like, yeah, I go, yeah, I would be the one thinking everyone's my best friend when they're all plotting against me to vote me off and extinguish my flame. I'm like, I can't do it. I go, because I'll get, I'll get two ass chapped over it. I'll be like, oh, you're telling me you turned it down. And now we could have been married. It could have been us. Oh, my God.

Look at that. Oh, good thing my life's not in the room anymore because that would have been devastating. She would kill me right now. She's going to kill me. She'd be like, no, she would say, Holly, take him. She says all the time, she's always like, oh, he's the life of the party until you get home. It's really fun until you marry it. That's her favorite thing to tell people.

That's me. I'm a very extroverted person when I'm out. and then I come inside and it's like. Yeah, I have no talk Sundays. And it's not easy to do that with five-year-old and two-year-old, but I used to have it. Oh, so we're in the same boat. I have a one-year-old and a four-year-old.

We are very similar. Very, very, darling. It is rough right now. Yeah, you're going through it. Definitely. Yeah, Trista's on the other side. Trista's dealing with driving now, though. So she's got her own set of challenges.

Yeah, I was just going to say, like, bigger, older kids, bigger problems. They're just like, you know, I mean, you're in it. I'm not taking anything away from either of you. But it is a different, like, kind of chaos. Yeah. We're just being fully relied on in every up. Yeah. Which is kind of sweet.

Be so happy you don't have to wipe a butt anymore. Yeah, totally. I don't know, sometimes right. Yeah. Took the words right out of my mouth. I was just going to say that. I was going to go, well, you know, we are going to. to that age.

Yeah, soon or than later, you know, I tell my wife, if I'm like, let's not throw out the diapers because, you know, you never know. You never know. I'm getting up there in my years. Oh, my gosh, Holly, I love you. I'm so glad we got to connect again, and we got to realize the misconnection with Bob and Holly over the time. 20 years ago, who knew?

In our next lifetime. Yeah, yeah. Or, like, I was just going to say that. You were talking about Poppy and you being sisters. I feel like you and Bob were married at some point. Maybe we could be married in our last life. You know, I've been married so many times, maybe even in this life. I kind of lost track.

How many times have you even married? Well, you know, we, at least, my wife always says. I'm interviewing you now. No, it's okay. So I got married and divorced in my 20s in a year. And so my wife, that one could have been technically an annulment, I suppose. But my wife always says, well, third time's a charm. You were waiting for me to graduate high school.

And I said, okay, that's good. So she's a spring chicken. No, well, yes. I mean, she's just turned 40. So yeah, she's same time. I'm only a year older than her. Yeah, you're, I was just, when I looked at that picture of you, I saw your birthday is January 13th and my wife's is January 19th. Oh, so you, is she a Capricorn or Aquarius?

She's a Capricorn, all of it. Yeah, me too. Yeah. And this is where I say. I'm just going to let you guys continue to talk. Have a great night. Trista, you've been really wonderful. Thank you.

No, my birthday. I think the Capricorns are a tough, tough women, like, like in a good way. Like, you know, so she always says, she's always like, I could, I couldn't be with anybody else. You know how to manage me. And I'm like, well, that's, I go, managing is not the right word. I go, I think it's more like when I think, when everyone else would think you're mad at me, I giggle. And that's just, that's how I handle stuff. Like, she'll be like, she'll say something and I'll just go, oh, okay.

And then like an hour later, she'll be like, thank you for not, you know, taking me seriously an hour ago because I really actually was mad at you. Yeah. I always tell Blake, because he'll, I'll be like, I'll, like, complain. about something and he will give me solutions and I'm like no no no no I'm trying to teach you I don't want solutions I just want you to listen to me when I need to complain about something so now he'll be like mm-hmm because he is very type A and has to have like if I'm complaining about something he'll be like here here's this is what you got to do but I don't I don't want that I just I need to just get it off my chest and let him listen yeah I'm I'm a fixer too so

it was a tough adjustment for me to to just listen but I try my best now. Like when Canyon's gone off, I'll just go, okay. And then like an hour later, she'll go, I mean, are you even listening? And I'm like, well, yeah, but you don't want me to tell you what I would do. Yeah. No, but she wants you to listen. This is great advice that I recently heard about teenagers, and it goes for relationships, too.

But as your kids get older, I'm sure you could use this even, you know, coming up soon, is just, do you need a hug or do you need help or do I say it all the time right that's really good anytime trying and like having a meltdown I get down on my knees and I open my arms and I say do you need a hug and she will I would say 95% of the time just come into my arms and then like I'll be like let's let's take some breaths together and so like breathe together and I mean it's that all they want is like a connection somehow you know i'm like just need to talk she just wants a hug yeah that's so sweet i need to do that more you are a good mama for sure i wanted to be one for so long so oh me too i didn't really just the struggle for as long just a couple years for me but i felt the same way but once you

have those babies in hand like oh i feel like i appreciate all like the really little things way more I remember folding her laundry one time and I'm just bawling my eyes out because I was like I couldn't wait to fold baby clothes and I'm like I'm doing my laundry other people would be like I'm doing my laundry but I'm like yeah I get to fold baby clothes like this is incredible so I always I appreciate all the little things yeah I kind of think I'm like that too because I'm an older dad you know we didn't have our first child that was 47 almost 40s eight. And so, you know, from a dad perspective, I was kind of getting up there. And I feel that way sometimes, too. Like I'll, I'll, I'll see some stuff in my, and my buddies will be like, well, hey, we're all going to go, you know, golf. We're going to go do this. You want to come with us? I'm like, no, I'm good. And it's not that I don't want to do those things. It's just that I'm trying to remember, you know, I see it a little bit differently now where I'm like, I can always go golfing, you know, but he needs me right now. And we, like, today. That to my husband? He does not have that my head. Oh, well, he's much younger than me. He's gone this whole week. He's at the Masters this whole week.

Okay, now we can't begrudge that. That's amazing. I would have been with him if I had the opportunity. So I went to Cabo for four days, and then I came home and he went to the Masters this whole week. So I'm like, we're just. Amazing. That's awesome. Ships in the night.

Ships in the night. I know. I didn't see him because I got. got delayed and didn't get home in time. So I had to have a baby store come be with the kids until I could get home because he had already had to get on the road. So I was like, I guess I'll see you on Friday. I haven't seen this last Friday.

We haven't even talked about your children's books. Oh, I know. And we need to. Okay. I have a children's book called Chocolate Sox. Did I return it to you, Krista? Yes, I have one. I wish I could.

I'll find it right now, but we're still in boxes. I will send one to you, Bob. I was going to say thank you. Trista gets all the goodies. No one sends me on. Everyone's like, Trista, did you enjoy the golden wedding? She's like, I did. No, stop it. Bob, did you have a good time? I'm like, I didn't. I didn't give me your address. Yeah, let me fire it off to you right now. Tell everyone. Tell everyone. My mom already knows that. She's the only one listening. So she'll, you know,

she'll be over. Oh, no. I was like somebody, I'm like friends with some of the, the producers and stuff on Facebook, and everyone's posting all these behind-the-scenes pictures from the Golden Bachelor, and I was like, hey, guys, I think you forgot over here. Another success story, not invited. Yeah. We got invited to Jane Tanner's wedding, which I think was maybe one of the last ones.

Yeah. But there was a huge snowstorm that day. All the flights got canceled, so we didn't end up. making it to that. So I was like, they think that we hate them. Well, Blake's still to hate him, but I'm good. They think that we hate them. And they're right. Blake hates them. Well, Blake held on to the anger for a long time after what they did to Michael. So, yeah. That's nice of him, though, to have that kind of, you know, I think that's actually a redeeming quality, you know. I mean, he's protective of his friend. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough.

Even though he, you know, married his friend's ex-vvian. No, they were never friends. So it's always insane. I don't know that they were friends. But Blake got made out to be the villain on Bachelorpad, which we don't know editing. And Blake is just very blunt. And so they took that bluntness and ran with it. And I was like, oh, this is not going to go well for you.

And then it made me look like, oh, I left America's sweetheart. guy and then went with this awful man right totally I was like this is awful and but everyone who meets him was like oh my god Blake is so nice I'm like yeah he is it's it was the show I wouldn't be it or do you think yeah yeah exactly all right all right so chocolate socks let what we tell everyone what it's about and where they can get it um they can just message me and get it it's a children's a book about my two favorite things chocolate and socks and i i think it was i was dating a guy way back in the day when i lived in l.A and he for our six-month anniversary got me a box of chocolates and a pack of

socks and he was like and he gave it to me and i was so excited because i love both of those and i was like and i thought that's the cutest name for a book and so i just grabbed my laptop and i started writing and then the rest is history. I've written a ton of books. I just never published the rest of them. That's amazing. I was like, I'm good.

You should, yeah. Somebody just told me about digital books, like that you can download for kids to read. And I was like, oh, I should just make them all digital books from here and out. I want to have them out, but I'm like, I have rooms of books here. So. That's a really good idea to do. a digital book. But you don't have rooms of books of books that you wrote and your kids can

like say, my mom wrote this book, you know? It is sweet to read chocolate socks to poppy. And at the end, she's like, this is your picture, mom. And I was like, I know it's bad. I didn't have a lot of makeup on it. My eyebrows were tragic in the picture. But guess that's me. I got a wait better after the touchdown. It's taken. Okay. Okay. Well, then that's even more motivation to write another one. Yeah, yeah, you got to do it. Part of me is like, wants to just draw some eyebrows on the picture. You always do every book. The boyfriend that I had at the time that got me that made me write chocolate socks, he randomly reached out to me a few months ago.

I'm not going to say his name because he's well known as well. And he reached out and said, I just want to thank you. for being such a joyful person and he was like not a lot of people wake up happy and he was like you woke up happy every single day and you like you were just so full of joy and happiness and like you we had such a wonderful relationship and I just want to say thank you for that and I was just like wow wow that was it was just random and it was so nice and I was kind to hear and I was like oh but if we wouldn't have broken up the way we broke up my whole life stemmed from our breakup so it was like such an important thing because we got we broke up and three weeks later I got asked to go on

the bachelor oh my gosh so I always like look back at my life and I'm like oh I thought I was going to marry this guy it was like very much in love with him and then we it was a very tragic hard breakup like immediate breakup and i was like okay it wasn't like oh you know let's take a break because i would have went back to them just like not good thing happened and we broke up like quick and so i was walking down the street three weeks later and someone came up to me and said have you seen the bachelor before and i was like yeah i know it you know and they said do you want to be on it and i I was like, sure. At this point, I was like, I have nothing left to lose.

I was still very heartbroken, and I thought, you know what? This will help me get my mind off of this. Yeah. And I go on the show, I didn't think. It was like I got asked to be on the bathroom on a Tuesday. And by the following Tuesday, I was through night one, moved into the house. So it was, it happens really fast. And so I was like, moved in.

and then I didn't believe I was on the show still because that was the time of like Joe Millionaire was on and I was like, ah, they tricked all those girls. I don't know I'm not falling for that. So I'm like in the house and I'm like, this isn't real. And then Chris Harrison walked in with like the first impression rose. I was like, oh shit, I'm on the best.

Oh my God, this is surreal. But the weird thing is I, so Chris had another job. and worked with my ex-boyfriend that I just and I saw Chris and I was like I hope he does not know remember this

Oh my gosh So I was like Anyway all I'm so grateful because Because I went on the show I ended up Like beating Michael and you know

engaged and then when that engagement broke up They asked us both to go on Bachelor pad And then because of that I met Blake And then you know now I was just like my life happened and the exact way it happened so that I could be here right now that's it that's exactly it

I know I look back and I'm like people should really stop stress about their life because it's going to go it's going to go in a good direction it's going to go the way it's intended to go yeah right amen that perspective that is a great attitude

I love it too all right Holly we hope to go but it was such a pleasure always that's so awesome i know so nice to finally meet you yes you too and i can't read to read chocolate yes i'm gonna tape a new picture over top of the old picture yes you are that will be perfect no what you need to do is take a picture of you and bob next to each other oh i'll I'll Photoshop something.

I'll do it. I'll tell you how to tilt. You just tell me which way to do it. There we go. Okay. It was so great finally meeting you and getting you to talk to you. You have such a great attitude. Thank you so much for being on Almost Famous, the OGs.

Of course. Thank you for having me. We loved it. I love you. Hi, Ali. All right. Bye. Bye.

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