The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OGs: The British Bachelor with Matt Grant

Episode Date: June 30, 2023

Our Bachelor Nation OGs Bob Guiney and Trista Sutter are throwing it back and hanging out the first ever British Bachelor… Matt Grant! Matt tells the whirlwind story of how he was first cast as The Bachelor, and he reveals the MAJOR change he had to make before they started filming! Plus, Matt uncovers a longtime Bachelor secret that will blow your mind! You’ll never look at hometowns the same way again!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I was going to try and put on my accent so that he feels comfortable. I was going to be like, hello, I might. But then I thought that probably wouldn't work, and I'd probably just piss him off. So I shouldn't try it. But if I go to it at any point in time in the conversation, it's just a nervous reflex. Right. And, you know, make sure you correct me at any time. Actually, I wonder how many times people do that to people.

with accents, you know, throughout the day. If, you know, I'm sure. Because it's the first place I go. I mean, I'll see my friends from Australia and I'll be like, hello, shrimp on the barbie. And I don't know why my hands do this. My arms go like this when I do it. It just makes zero sense.

I don't know. Kangaroo. And now, you know, now we have our friend who's coming in from London and I'll be like, you care for a spartee. And he's going to be like, what? I don't even know why you're saying that. What do they say? Look, dad, Big Ben.

Parliament. Big Ben, Parliament. I can't get left. Look, Matt. We should throw out all of our jokes. I'm going to ask him about, I'm excited to talk about Harry and Megan with him. So many things,

so many things to discuss. I'm sure he wants to talk all about it. Because you know he knows these things. Matt knows these things. He knows them. He knows them personally. He knows everyone in England. Yeah, I know that.

He's lived in the castle for a while. Yeah. Hi, Matt. Matt Grant, everybody. Matt Grant is. us he's connecting to audio as we speak so give him a hot second hey guys hey how are you man good good nice to see you both I love that you are you're being so efficient with your time and doing this interview in a car you're just like me I am I had to I had to take a friend to

the airport and the traffic the whole place was a bit gridlocked I think there was a police car chase or something going on um it was like manhattan yesterday oh i was just going to say just like harry and me see i told you matt's just like harry oh please please i thought bob i liked you but now i'm not so sure oh no i've got absolutely no time for either of those two but anyway i know i know Do you think it's because you are from England and so you're even more like just annoyed or you just personally aren't a fan? I think probably it comes from the fact that I think they were just both very disrespectful to two very elderly people right at the end of their lives. And, you know, that Oprah Winfrey interview was, you know, they basically said that the royal family were racist with no evidence. And that was so damaging.

And it was embarrassing for the country as well because, you know, Britain is a progressive place. It's not perfect by any means. And we've still got a long way to go on these areas as the U.S. has, you know. Sure. Compared to a lot of countries in the world, I think the U.K. and the U.S. pretty, you know, at least trying to get there. So, yeah, anyway. Yeah.

I'm with Matt on that one. I have a bad taste in my mouth for those two because I feel like it has been a lot of, like, you know, just you can say anything. you want these days and everyone just assumes it's true and it's like the thing about the royal family is they're kind of like well you know we're not going to we're not going to get in the in the mud with the pigs right is kind of like the mindset not to say that that's that's just a saying I'm not to imply that I think anyone's a pig but I mean I get it from the standpoint of you know it is true you're absolutely right it's been a lot of dirty laundry out there and no validation of it you know yeah and I wonder if Oprah kind of step back now you know as being

kind of the kind of the queen of of of us tv i wonder you know if if that has if if maybe there's been a bit of a shift in change on how they do these things moving forward because i think that didn't particularly reflect well on her either i don't know what you guys think but anyway with regards to um with regards to to you guys how are you both oh we're doing great thank you Thank you. Nice way to subject change for us. We appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks. I actually don't have any taste in my mouth about them. I really don't even follow it. So thanks for the little information gathering this morning. But we really are here to talk to you. Like we want to hear all about you and life, how it's been after The Bachelor, even like how you got into it. Can you tell us a little bit

about how you actually got on the show, that whole process? Yeah, I'm sure I can. And before I kick off on that, Trista, congratulations on 20 years of successful marriage. Yeah. Incredible achievement. Thank you. I know it's a while back, but it was this year, right, I think. 20 years will be in December.

Yeah, wow. Thank you. Thank you. Check me out, my bachelor calendar. That's right. You know. You know all the things. So where do you want to say?

start so from the from the from the get go right so the get go just tell us how you got into the show were you watching before did someone nominate you how did you get on the show no so it didn't show in the UK so I'm working in finance in in London and didn't know anything about the bachelor I think I was 27 and this rather attractive slightly few years older but you know when you when you're 28 you know five years years is more like, you know, 10 years when you're a bit further down the road. I don't know, I'm digging a hole already.

Anyway, can we just rewind that? Anyway, so a very attractive American lady, age is relevant, came up to me and said, have you heard of a show called The Bachelor? And I was like, no, no. And then she said, oh, it's this big show. the US. And obviously I knew what a bit like you guys would know what BBC is. I knew what ABC was. So I knew it was, you know, I knew it was something big. And anyway, she gave me a cart. I then I remember getting home that night. So it was about kind of 1 a.m. I think it was a Saturday

night. We'd been out with friends. And I'd had a few, a few pints, you know. A few points. Yeah. Maybe five. Maybe six. Okay. I had a good. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was merry. I was merry. There you go. But still, but not, you know, not to the point where I don't remember this. This is all vivid. And so, and I'm sitting there, you know, going on Google in my apartment and I just went no way, you know, because I'd never heard of The Bachelor. And I realized that this, this was, this was a big deal. This was, this was. So I'm just getting on my phone, just texting. I think we didn't have WhatsApp back then, right? So it was, it was just SMSing. And just my friends going, you wouldn't believe it. This is. And, and,

And of course, a lot of my friends didn't believe it. They thought I was winding them up. A few of them, I think, you know, I've got a few friends that had lived in the States that kind of knew actually that it was a big deal. So, yeah, quite a few people didn't believe me. So anyway, the next thing I know, I'm on a flight out to L.A. To meet with, I think, Flyce, first of all. Yeah.

What year was it? It was 2008. Yeah, probably broke cars in and all of them at that time. about it. Yeah, it was Brooke. Yeah, yeah, it was Brooke. And I had archetypal British teeth at this point. And I think the first thing they did was like, Matt, we really like you. That's my American accent. Matt, Matt, we really like you, but you're going to have to get your teeth done. And I was like, if you pay for it, if you pay for it, then I'm in. And those are the teeth. Look, they're still, They're still here both.

Still to this day. Perfect construction. I bet you went to Dr. Dorfman. Amazing. Oh, yeah. Oh, Billy Boy. Billy Dorff. Did he do yours as well?

Well, he brought me in. I actually didn't meet him until after the Bachelor, but it was funny because I remember I was going to him as my dentist and he was like, and this is before you and I had met Matt, but he was like, I just did the Bachelor's teeth who was just in here. And I'm like, oh, no kidding. And it was long after the Bachelor for me. I was a bachelor in 2003, so, um, but yeah, I thought it was, uh, it was really funny.

I remember this story. That is hysterical. Yeah, he's a good guy. Yeah. I wonder how many bachelors he's done or bacheloretts. He's the, he's the dentist to the, to the bachelor nation. Yeah. A bachelor's beyond. I remember Paul Abdel was in the, uh, in the waiting room when I'm saying, oh my gosh, that's cool. And you know, it's a horrible, horrible procedure. So I was a little nervous before. And then I'm just like, it was just one of those many very cool, very funny slash slightly surreal LA moments. You know, I lived out there for five years in total. And some of the stories still blow my mind, you know, when I look back. Tell us. Tell us. You know, just, just

fun stuff like that. You just, you know, you'll come up and someone will say, oh, they used to your real teeth or whatever. And then you start telling them. And then you realize you remember, like I just did there with Bob, like I was in the waiting room with Paul Abdel. You know, it's, you You couldn't make it up. You know, it's just all those fun little stories of or being at CAA for a meeting and realizing I'm in a lift with Tom Cruise, you know, who's about five foot, about five foot four. And there's me at six, five, you know. I was going to say, you're taller than I am. So that had to be quite the moment.

Yeah. Amazing. So fun stuff like that. Yeah. I know lots of happy memories. Lots of happy memories. And, you know, as you know, with Bob saying, you know, Just thinking of that 2003, I mean, 20 years.

Yeah. It's just time flies. You know, it was 2008. And it's, I don't know about you guys. If you had that moment on the 10th year, if it kind of hit you when 10 years had been up, you know, it was like that wow factor. Because that just went so quick. And then, you know, as I'm sure the next 10 were really quick as well for you as well. So, yeah, it's definitely flown by, though.

You're not kidding. So that's how I got found. Yeah. A random scout in London. So they had you. come in, they do the tooth, the teeth thing. And then how soon after that are you filming? I mean, is it pretty quickly after that that you're already on set and going for it? Yeah, yeah, it was. Of course, the visa issue was a problem because I didn't have a U.S.

Social, because I was, you know, it wasn't like I was sort of half American and could kind of hide it and really secretly I had a social life. I was a complete foreigner. So there was a little, it was quite stressful because it was rushed. Yeah. I think within three months of me being found, we were filming. And so there was teeth. If we do the MacGrant Bachelor checklist, right? It was teeth, visa, and then lose some weight.

Oh, get to the gym. That's so funny. So it was like, I don't know which shoulder it was. It was teeth, weight, visa. I think probably the visa was the most scary thing. You know, there's no VIP line in that embassy. Is any, I'm sure the real VIPs get people queuing up for them. But anyway, it was, it was all good.

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Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivots, now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. were you concerned i remember when they asked me to be the bachelor and even though it was so early on in the in the show but i remember being really nervous like you just said of oh god i hope i hope people even tune into this thing you know were you were you feeling that kind of pressure oh i had imposter syndrome all the way through it and probably afterwards to be honest with you yeah you know really i i did feel like um you know there was there was lot of, you know, I was, I was young. I was 27 when I was doing all that. And, um, and, and you know,

I, Trista, I, I, I, I honestly think men, uh, you know, a bit slower on the whole development, you know, building maybe confident. I don't want to stereotype because I've already put my friend in it before, but, but, you know, I was young 27, being made, being made to be an old 27, you know, in the way that I wasn't really like some sort of global financier, you know, I had a decent job, but I wasn't, I wasn't, you know, like some, you know, doing massive deals with the Saudi oil and things like that. It wasn't like I was, right. So, yeah, so there's this combination of kind of, you know, pride because I was proud

to have been picked, excitement, especially going to, you know, a new country, although I'd been to the US quite a few times and had family out in the US. It was still a foreign country, right? Right. So there's this mixture of pride excitement and then trepidation and then fear at times. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But definitely, definitely got a few imposter moments where I was like, and I remember my mom, who is very matter of fact, my mom was like, but you're not, you're not a global financier. And I was like, Mom, don't tell anyone. Don't tell everybody. This was when we were filming. This is when we were filming at the, you know, the, you know, the first. home. I don't know if you guys, if they really went back to your houses or if they went to a, we had a fake house in London. Okay. Oh, interesting. It was just your fake house, but you lived somewhere else. Yeah. And they rented this place for a huge amount of money. And my six foot five, 260 pounds, as soon as it sat down on a 250 year old chair, antique broke it. Oh, so that was the first. And the owner, the owners, in the background behind the door

going, what was that? Oh, no. This is a good start. And then, yeah, so shortly after that was mum basically off camera, but with all the sound equipment on, I'm going, but you're not a global financier. You're not a multimillionaire, Matthew.

That was so funny. Nothing like Mama to bring you down to Earth. Yeah, exactly. Way to go. Thanks, Mom. How are your, how are your, home, how are your home time? Because in a way, it was easier for me because it was, because it was a fake house, I could, you know, yeah, you know, I literally could break the furniture because it didn't matter.

You did. But how was it actually letting, letting these people into your, into your kind of most intimate sphere, right? Your homes, how was that? Well, it wasn't our homes. Like, so the house that we, both of us, the houses that we used for the show, obviously, they were just rented, same, by production. So even though I was living there, it definitely was not my home. Like, it was my home base for the show, but not anything that I really felt like I would, that people were invading, if you will. I kind of felt like I was invading it, you know, kind of to turn the tables, because it wasn't my home. I was sleeping in someone else's bed. Like, we were, were taking over this entire house and I think the people actually just let us use it. They

got a lot of money for it and then we were out. So that's really interesting that you say that you think like maybe it felt like we were being invaded. But I didn't feel like that. Did you Bob? Yeah. Well, you know, when we did like the package that they put together right for the Bachelorette and everything and then when they do like the the B roll of here's why we chose this guy. You know, they did come to, they came to my house for that to do that. And, and that was kind of cool. But, I mean, I, you know, I, much like Matt, I was not a global financier. So I was, you know, I was like this guy who just had a cool house and lived by myself. So I got, you know, just, I don't know, it was crazy. And then they did come to, um, to my family's lake house when we did the, uh,

when we did the at home dates. But yeah, when we actually filmed the show itself, I was in a mansion that would be a mansion at best, I think it was a production house. I'd lay in bed at night and I'd look up and there's like scaffolding and lights and I'm just like, there's no way that there's not cameras. Like in my mind, I was constantly thinking, you know, in fact, I don't know if you remember Trista, but Andrew Firestone has gone on record with a really funny thing where he would go sleep in the closet of the house that he, because he and I had the same house that we stayed in because he was so stressed out because it just he couldn't sleep in the place you know he was literally coming out of the closet yeah he literally was he set his mattress and in the closet

with his clothes are all there and he would just lay down in there because it was like the other room was just too wide open and just too many you know I I finally got to a point in that in that house I think I told you this Trista but I went everywhere I went underneath they had like a kind of like a basement I found the production place because they would leave me alone there for hours did you really oh my god i love that yeah because i was like i got to discover what's going on around here because this place is stressing me out that was off limits that place you know all i saw was the door the door just opened it was like and then quickly like slap shot oh my god you're just like tapping away and monitors and it's like oh my goodness what are they

doing down there it was weird closest to the jim kerry movie right yeah yes yeah the closest to the dream and show we got. Oh my gosh, so true. So, Matt, you're the bachelor now and you got the limos pulling up. I mean, had you had much experience with getting to know American women at that point? Or was this the first time that you just, and what was it like? Like, was there a difference between the, you know, the women that you had dated in London or the women that you're meeting that night on the show? I think, I think that, um, In retrospect, to answer your first question, no, I hadn't really dated many American girls before this show. I think the first thing that was really very striking was just how beautiful these women were.

You know, when each lady came up and, you know, I don't want to say that British women are less beautiful than American or whatever, but they're different. And, um, and, and so that, that was, um, that was something. And then obviously the accents and, um, but yeah, no, it was, uh, I mean, it was, it was, it all happened so quickly, Bob. Yeah. The whole, the whole, the whole experience, you know, before you know it, um, you know, you're on, you know, the fancy sweet stage, you know, you're, you're right at the end of, of the filming element and he just think, wow, that's just gone. So that time went so quickly. Um, um, you know, um, you're, um, But yeah, no, so I hadn't dated any American women before. And then when I did start to, on that show, I liked it very much. And let's just leave it at that. I love the fact that you called it a fancy suite, not a fantasy suite, a fancy sweet. Is that what you said? That sounds a bit like, what's his name?

The Mike Myers character. Oh, yeah, baby. Yes. Oh, yeah. Mike, anyway, you know who I'm showing my age. But yes, no, sorry, fantasy. No, I love it. Let's call it the fancy suite now.

I like the fancy suite. That's actually a nicer way to think of it. It is amazing. Okay, I would love to hear about the engagement. We know that you were engaged to Shane. It's Shane, right? Is it a Shana? Shane.

Okay. Shane. Shane, Lamas. Shane Lamas. Yeah. So I would love to hear. kind of what happened with you guys you know obviously you're caught up in the moment not necessarily that it's not real you know obviously i feel like everything is real like your emotions are real on

the show is what i tell everyone it's not i think that's true your emotions are real so you're kind of caught up in it and you're feeling all the feels and you get engaged and then tell us kind of what happened afterwards i i still to this day don't really know what happened there oh um i i i i i I would say I was, I think that maybe coming from a foreign country, maybe going through all the pressure that we've all spoken about, you know, a bit of the imposter stuff, can I do this, the fear, the fun, but also doing it in a foreign country without your support mechanism around you with a time zone that made it harder to communicate with your loved ones. The crew were great. They really were. I made some good friends. But yeah, there were times when, especially towards the end of filming where I really did feel on my own.

And I didn't make the best decisions, but also at that age as well, you know, as I said earlier, I really feel looking back that I was a young 27. Yeah. Yeah. And you can only know that from hindsight. You know, I feel like in the moment, you feel like, oh, yeah, I'm mature. I'm ready to make decision. Yeah.

Yeah. But I think hindsight shows you, you know, a lot more than we know. in the moment. So, yeah, so it didn't really last very long afterwards with shame because it just wasn't really there in the first place. And, you know, I look back, you know, all these years later and, you know, I don't think you, I don't regret anything in life. But yeah, it was, you know, it was challenging towards the end, but, but yeah, just a great overall great experience. Oh, that's great. Yeah, I always look back at it the same way. I didn't end in an engagement. or, you know, ultimately marriage or anything of that nature either.

But I was saying to Trista, when we kind of lost the connection with you for a minute, I remember watching your season. And I primarily watched the tail end of it and thinking that, you know, you just came off as such a nice guy. Like you just came off as this guy that was, you know, it was almost like a fish out of water because you were from another country and you were, you know, kind of inundated with all this stuff, you know, all this American stuff being thrown at you so much.

but you always handled it, I thought, very gracefully. And I don't know if you remember this, but we ran into each other in Marina del Rey one day, both walking our dogs. And I was, and I remember, I was like, hey, you're the bachelor, you're Matt Grant. And you're like, yeah, how are you? I'm like, you don't know me. I'm like, but I was the bachelor once too. And I remember talking to that day. And ever since that I've always told everybody that, you know, I just thought you were such a humble and nice guy, especially you were very, I mean, I don't think you would

been too far removed from the bachelor at that point maybe a year or two when we cross paths and i thought you know you just seem like such a nice guy and go through an experience like that internationally i can only imagine how it might have messed with you you know yeah it was it was humbling afterwards as well because i didn't have um you know i wanted to capitalize for a selfish point of view i wanted to capitalize financially on on the um on this you know um magnificent opportunity given to me and I didn't have a visa so you know work visa so I had to go and do that and you know there were many times when it was you know it was it was challenging to get that visa and eventually I wrote a show and sold it to Warner Brothers and I'm really proud of how I dealt with that on my own

out there just networking and you know and and finding people going look I've got a show idea let's make the show and you know getting that contract from Warner Brothers from from Walper was really cool. That's awesome. What was this show? It was called Pimp My Bride. Pimp my bride. Oh my gosh. Tell us about it, please. It never got made. It never got made, obviously, but it got me a contract, right? Got me my O-1. So, no, I have such fond memories of my time in the U.S. And it was the O-1, you know, the actors visa that I had for foreigners. aliens of extraordinary talent. Oh, nice. It was coming up for a newl and I thought, hey, you know,

I just made a Bud-like TV commercial, which was kind of, it was either going to go for the Super Bowl or it was, you know, they make two commercials Budweiser for each Super Bowl. And then they pick at the last minute which one was going to be. So it was a high, I played kind of this food chef guy, this Ponty British kind of, hello, my name's Nigel. food chef dude on this TV commercial. Anyway, it paid out

a chunk of money and I bought this old jag and anyway and I just I was driving down in Santa Monica. Do you guys know Montana Avenue in Santa Monica? Of course. Yeah. It's my favorite, right? Just coming

out of that, I popped into the city bank and I was just driving down and you got the Pacific ahead of you and the palm trees either side. It's kind of that archetypal California sunset, right? Yeah. And I'm sure, I'm sure the listeners can kind of picture it. And I think maybe you can just maybe see a little bit of Catalina in the background.

I don't know, but I just looked in the mirror and I just went, you lucky get, you know, you've, you've had five amazing years. And I thought, you know, and I just went, it's never going to get better than this. Yeah. Yeah. And it has. Yeah, yeah, it has. It's just a different chapter, right? That was the end.

That was the end of that chapter. and I'd, you know, I'd gone and got that visa on my own. I'd gone and sort of got stable on my own in California, found work, found somewhere to live, built a friendship circle, and had, you know, those great years. And so I didn't want to leave, but I kind of felt like I wanted to leave L.R. L.A. on a high because so many people leave it on a low. So true.

You are speaking the truth right there. I mean, you went out on your own terms, you know. That's the dream, I think, to be able to go out on your own terms. So where do you live now and what's going on now in your life? So I live in Cambridge, which I'm sure you guys have heard of, just north of London. I'm married to an amazing woman called Bex, and we've been married now for six years. That's just flown by. That's flown flown by.

and I have a daughter from a previous relationship, Clementine. Oh, I love that name. Clementine. How cool, that's a gorgeous name. Does she live there too? She does, yeah. That's like a book. I wish I would have heard about this like 10 years ago

and I would have written a children's book, Clementine and Cambridge, you know? Oh, so cute. Yeah. I love it. Sometimes I say Clementine. Sometimes I say it like in the French, but... Do you speak French too?

No. No, not really, no. Juniper, but no, so yes. And then, you know, it's getting into your 40s and then I'm 43 this year. And it's like, wow. And, you know, just trying to keep positive and keep healthy and fit and, you know, growing old gracefully. That's all we can do, buddy. That's what we got to try.

That's right. And Bob and I have still got our head. Yeah. We do, buddy. We still got it. I mean, come on. How lucky are we? I mean, I couldn't grow that mustache of my life depended on it, though. I can't grow facial hair to save my life. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have a podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh, my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble.

Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free I-HeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself.

My dad is a farmer. And my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family.

And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks up? to a comedy club, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Joy Harden Bradford, and in session 421 of therapy for black girls, I sit down with Dr. Ophia and Billy Shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health, and the

ways we heal. I think hair is a complex language system, right? In terms of it can tell how old you are, your marital status, where you're from, you're a spiritual belief. But I think with social media, there's like a hyper fixation and observation of our hair, right? That this is sometimes the first thing someone sees when we make a post or a reel is how our hair is styled.

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It can be as simple as talking to someone or just taking a deep, calming breath to ground yourself because once you start to address the problem, you can go so much further. The Huntsman Mental Health Institute and the Ad Council have resources available for you at loveyourmindtay.org. I was actually going to say that compared to the bachelorets before the show, like you were saying the teeth and going

to the gym. At least you guys didn't have to worry about hair because they literally put fake hair on me, you know, where you get extensions. At least you didn't have to worry about that. And now you can say that it's still your own. That's true. Yeah. That is true. Good heads of hair boys. Was the hair extensions part one of the most difficult elements of kind of that role, Trista? I mean, I don't, I definitely not one of the most difficult. But kind of the most interesting for me, just because I feel like, why don't you just go on there and be yourself? You know, I wish that more these days that I, you know, I think I had fake nails.

I had fake hair. I, you know, all women wear tons of makeup and push up bras and, you know, all the things. So not to say that I'm not open to having a little Botox here and there and filler and, you know, whatever. But, you know, I just, I, I wish that our culture just was more accepting of all different kinds of people. However you look, we love you, you know? Yeah. I'm hoping that's changing. I really am.

And also on the, on the male side as well, that, you know, men don't have to have six packs. And, I mean, I certainly didn't. I remember. Yeah, me either. I remember when they were filming a topless bit and I could just see one of like the camera guy like, oh, God. I thought they said they'd pay for his gym Oh my gosh So I was no

I was no Brad Womack I didn't have the Brad Womack body No not too many people did I didn't have the Ryan Sutter body On Trista's season of the Bachelor Of the Bachelorette That's why I got kicked to the curb I'm pretty sure

Clearly not He's still yoked But you know it's funny I will tell you I made the six pack go out of style a few years previous for you. So I set the pace for you, but I will tell you this, man. I still say to this day, because Ryan and I were kind of roommates on Trista's season,

and I would always be like, I would marry this guy. Like, I mean, honestly, what is, you know, this guy's amazing. Now, that would make for an interesting bachelor. Right? I think that would be on a different network more than likely. But, yeah, yeah, I just love having you on, buddy. And I think that, you know, from the standpoint of what you've been able to do, I think it's been great. So congratulations and thanks for being a part of it with us.

And it's not very often that I get to talk about it. So it's nice to bring back those memories. Does anyone there know? Like, do you ever get recognized? I think occasionally in London by American tourists. But I mean, occasionally it's like a one-sponsory blue moon, yeah. But it's, I still, I still, you know, eat it up and milk for all I can. Yeah, have to.

Gotta do it. Guys, thank you so much for having me on. Oh, thank you for coming on. We're so excited that, because I feel like you, I was looking you up on Instagram to see if I could just see, you know, do my, like, pre-research and just to see what was going on in your life lately. And I couldn't find you. And I'm like, oh, I'm sure.

He's just like, I don't need Instagram. Like, I'm living my life. I just want to be private. So thank you for coming on. I went off the radar. You did. Yeah, went off the radar. But that's okay.

Next time we have more time, then we'll go into all that stuff. So you have to invite me back. We definitely would love that. We would love that. Maybe you can bring your lovely wife, Bex, on with you. Maybe we'll do a couple's. If she would be open to it? I can, well, I can ask, but I think I know the answer.

Probably the same as my wife. My wife's always like, yeah, I'm good. No, thank you. I just forced Ryan, too. Ryan, I'm like, you don't have a choice. You're talking. Okay, awesome. Well, thank you, Matt.

Great seeing, buddy. Thanks ever so much. Take care. Continued happiness and success. Cheers to you. Bye. Such a nice guy, right? I mean, honestly.

I love him. And it's not just, I mean, I'm sure there's a certain element of his English charm that, you know, is just kind of there. But you can genuinely tell that he is just a good person, just a nice person and came to that experience. You know, I think with taking the right lessons from it, you know, he said it was a lesson in humility as well. And I think that's people that come off the show realizing that, you know, there were some moments that they would have done differently or however it might go, I think probably get the most out of it than anybody else, you know. yeah i would love to know i would love to have him back because i would love to know what why did he become so private i feel like there's a story there you know like i think there is too there's a reason that he's private i don't know if it's because of his wife or or before but i so

when i was looking on instagram there there was um an article i think from people magazine and or an instagram post or something and they um they tagged him or they tagged him or they tagged him or they tagged an Instagram handle. And I clicked on it and I was like, that is not him. So I wonder if back then, if he had this Instagram handle and then he got rid of it and someone else took it up. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe he wasn't so private back then when he was still living in the States. Sure. So anyway. You know, who knows? I mean, at the end of the day, I think, you know, it's probably one of those things. He just wanted to go back to his old life because he had a daughter and, you know, And, or now he has a daughter, I should say, but maybe that was what drove.

I don't know, but I would love to have him back on, too. He's a really, really great guest. Yeah. He is such, I love the accent. I mean, I kind of wish you would have, you know. Well, when he did his, when he did his American accent, that was almost my end. But I didn't want to be like, hello then. So I held off.

I know. I was like, oh, come on. Do it. Do it. You care for a spot a teammate is what I would have said, you know. I can't even try. Mine, I would just be butchering it, period. End of story.

Thanks for listening, everybody. Thanks, everybody. See ya. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

Oh, my God, perfect. And want to hear people. people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Let's start with a quick puzzle.

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