The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Almost Famous OGs: The Butterfly Effect with Jason Mesnick

Episode Date: April 5, 2023

Jason Mesnick is hanging out with our Bachelor OGs Trista and Bob! Hear the untold story of what happened to Jason JUST before he became the Bachelor, and find out the last time he spoke to Melissa Rycroft… you won’t believe what went down! Plus, Jason confronts Trista to get the real answer on her feelings after everything that happened during his season of The Bachelor.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm still getting over my coughing fit from laughing too hard about it. That's what she said, comment. So, yeah. Hey, yes. You know, we'll save that one. We'll bring that out later. We were talking about the microphone bulges that we both, you know, moderate, the bulge, so to speak. But anyway, just, you know, we're here.

It's the almost famous, the OGs. And I am fresh off the bus. I just got back from Florida, which I needed it, man. Living in the Midwest, I needed a break. I hear you. I just got back from Mexico and then Miami right before that. So I hear your pain. We had a blizzard.

I had to drive through on the way. It took some people where it usually takes two hours to get to Denver. It took them seven hours. Oh, M. Jesus. Yeah, that's not fun. Oh, M. Jesus. There's some weather going on, guys. There's some weather going on.

No doubt about that. But, yeah, it was very good to get back. Yeah. We are. I'm excited to be back. We had the other half of the Jason Meznik. So now we get to talk to the Jason Mesnick. Yes, the man, the myth, the realtor to the stars.

The man, the myth, the realtor. The man, the myth, the realtor, the lumberjack, the mountain man. Jason, Mezzy Meznik. They call him the Mez. He's actually putting in, submitting an offer right as we speak. We're watching it. We're watching it happen. We're going to send some positive vibes.

that the offer comes through. Book it, Dano. I want you to close on this house, whatever it is, James. Dano. Let's just call him Dano. Dano. The Dano family, the Dano family. So how are you, buddy? Good to have you on. It's good to be. Wait, so was Molly on recently? She doesn't tell me.

Wait, did we not have Molly on? Am I making that up? Did I have her just on my podcast? I think you had her on years. I'm not sure. Oh. So, I am so old that I don't even remember who I've had. I am the old gal, the OG old gal who doesn't remember. You're the fairy godmother of the bachelorette's, and I am the grandfather of the bachelors. Yeah, with a really old brain, obviously. In between all this stuff, there was a time when I was still in my 30s a long time ago that the young boys used to call me the godfather.

They had not met you yet. I remember you telling me that when we first met, Jason. And I'll be honestly, buddy, I miss it out there. I miss the PNW. I miss being out there and crossing paths every now and then as we did. But you know, it's funny. I was thinking about you the other day because I was thinking about this most recent Bachelor and Zach Showalter, I believe is his name.

And I interviewed him. Seemed like a nice guy. I didn't really watch the season. So I know there was some Tom Foolery. at the tail end there that kind of created some drama. But you know what I was wondering? Because, I mean, Jason Mesnick came out of this show just, I mean, you went through the process, you married someone who was from the show.

I get it. It wasn't exactly the ending that was scripted, so to speak, but it was such a magical ending because it was like anything for love, right? And Jason Mesnick's willing to go through the shitstorm of all the publicity that would happen that was negative to find his true love, a Michigan girl, the way and uh and you know basically just i i think just light the world on fire at the time and i was always so happy for you guys but then i noticed like recently when they bring the old guys on for counseling i get why i'm not included in that mine was a mess but they you know they got to

get the mess back out there the mess has some words of wisdom well you know it's funny who and again everybody's going to kill me i don't even watch the show what's it called again Bachelor. My friends call me the bitchler, which I think is funny. Oh, that is good. So I was called before the season started because they had initially picked somebody else to be The Bachelor. Okay.

And I don't know his, again, just because I'm watching. Can you tell who that was? It was a dad. All I know it was a single dad. Oh, and then he got, he was on Paradise and had someone. I had my flight already booked to go out there to do some of my. you know, wizardry being a single dad, which is nothing, right, which is just keep your kids alive. So, like, flight was booked, and then something negative came out about him, and it was supposed to fly out that night.

And they're like, so we canceled your flight. Okay. And we're going to go in another direction. And it was all within like, wow. Wow. I remember that. I do remember being totally shocked because Michael is the person that you're talking about. out. And I was shocked when the bad publicity came out about him because I thought he seems like

a stand-up dude, like salts of the earth kind of people. But that's shocking to me because he could have been The Bachelor if this bad press hadn't come out. And he wouldn't have met Danielle, who he's now, I think they're living together or she's actually living in the same city. They wouldn't have met. And they wouldn't have been to somebody else. And Zach wouldn't have wouldn't have been The Bachelor. This is all crazy. The whole path, and I even think about my path, like, because, you know, I picked Melissa and then the ABC went down the path of like, okay, since you are going back to Molly,

now we want Melissa to be the Bachelor, but Molly was supposed to be the Bachelor, but then because Melissa had a boyfriend, they went to Gillian, right? So if it wasn't for, like, it could have been a totally different train of people involved. You know what? Have you guys seen the movie Sliding Doors? Yes. The Butterfly Effect. I mean, we could just do a movie about the Bachelor Butterfly Effect and how it has changed so many people's lives.

Just from that, you're so right. If it hadn't been Jillian and it had been Molly or even Melissa, I mean, that just kind of blows my mind. Well, I just remember, like, when I was going through all that, you know, and again, some of the painful conversation I was having behind the scenes. yeah that back then the producers wanted me to make sure that Melissa went through these feelings on set because they needed the America to feel for her and love her so she could be the bachelorette got it got it so you basically had to get a drubbing yeah televised whooping I'm a company man anything for the company you are buddy yeah you did you took it for the team oh yes no it was a bad idea Yeah. No, it was not a bad idea. You ended up with your beautiful wife.

Yeah, very true. And, yeah. And I think it's such a success, too. Yep. Yeah, speaking. So yes, of course it's a success. But speaking of Melissa, have you talked to her since the show or since that fateful day? I have such a weird. Like, it's, again, everybody should know it's a long time ago. And going back to like. And you're both very happy. Yeah, but going back, I think the last time I talked to her, going back, the producers said, okay,

so now that we allowed you to talk to Molly and that's all working out, we need you to have a conversation with Melissa because she's not agreeing to be the Bachelorette. Could you help us ask her and follow through with being the actual Bachelorette? So I think the last time I talked to her was on a call with her

to try to convince her to be the Bachelorette. But I didn't know that she had moved on and went back to her ex. Yeah. But that's a lot of time. Granted, that was, you know, in black and white TV and, you know. VHS. I think we all realized none of our seasons were on in high definition.

No. Heck no. No. Heck no. Mine was actually incredibly low definition, like the reverse. Exactly. Tristas was still glossy and gorgeous, even though it was before mine, but they blew the budget on. They blew the budget on the nice cameras.

And they went back to, you know, at best, the telephoto lens when I was the bachelor. Is it called low D? Low D. Low D. Let's get the low D. I used to say, they would always go, you know, they say, you know, they see the camera adds 10 pounds and when they shoot me with 10 cameras. Yeah. Okay.

10 times 10. I'm feeling a little pudgy day. A little puffy. Can we, you know, zoom out? But you're looking at today. No, it's all smoking mirrors, buddy. I got this little thin lens on, you know, a little bit. No, I actually, thankfully, I was going to tell Trista, you know, we just got back.

from Florida, my family did, and it's the tale of two trips. So the trip begins as we take off and we're flying out there and my wife gets the flu. Oh, yes. So we land and she's sick for like four days and she's like, oh my house is terrible. Oh, that sucks. Then like literally every one of my little party ended up getting it except me. But what I found was the kind of the benefit of that was you're on vacation and when you're the only one who can actually eat anything, you don't really eat anything because you got no one to eat with. I'm not a solo eater guy. I wanted to be out at Mexican one night. Yeah, I was like bowls of, you know, honeynut Cheerios and stuff. That's basically what I was doing for the week. That is so funny you say that because I swear if Ryan is not

here and the kids have eaten or they're at activities or whatever, I have Cheerios too. Like, it's a cereal night. I don't have to do anything. Yes. Well, you know, speaking of Cheerios, almost famous the OGs, just kidding. We aren't sponsored by Cheerios. But if we were, it would have been, really wonderful segue, would it? If you want a healthy snack, maybe they'll call us, who knows? That's so funny. Okay, so Jason, I want to know

Molly switched jobs. She was radio hosting, and now you guys are partnered up in the real estate biz. I want to know what's going. Like, how is it working with each other 24-7? And I've spoken to her about it since it's happened, I feel like.

But tell me how you feel about working together how it's going. Can I ask you what she said before I even answer that? Honestly, I feel like she said that it was great. I mean, the fact of the matter is, if it wasn't going great, I have a feeling that one of you would have bowed out by now. Yeah? Good point.

I think we just do both totally different things. So, for example, I'm kind of, yeah, as I'm like working here right now, like the contract negotiations, getting the houses on the market, where she's really does great with the showings. And as you'd imagine, she does great with prepping houses. Yeah. Right. So making it look very Molly-like when we get it on the market.

And so she absolutely kills it. Oh, yeah. I mean, we have clients to buy new construction homes and they're like, can Molly help me decorate? Oh, that's awesome. That's amazing. Yeah. Seriously.

Yeah. The challenge, I think, more than anything, is like, we talk about work 24-7. Sure. Yeah, right. So it's like if you want to step away and you're like, hey, we're taking the girls or the kids to the zoo. And you get to the zoo and you're talking about real estate. Yeah. And then you get home and you're talking about it.

So it's not for everybody. But so far. Yeah. Good. I'm glad. I mean, I do too. I think that it's probably not super common. I would think I like, I don't think I could.

I don't think I could. And I don't think we could work together as a couple and be at the same. office. Like you said, you guys have kind of different jobs, and she's probably out of the office doing showings and stagings and whatever. So that's probably good. But I just don't know if I could do it. I give it up to you guys. I do too. We do have, I mean, a coach, like a coach that helps us think through things. And he'll notice that if we are in separate locations for our coaching call versus in one location, something might be going on in our personal life. interesting he's like well why is molly at home today tell me more about this coach is it a life coach

that just you interact with every day no i mean everybody in my opinion like and more it sports wise like tiger woods has a coach and michael jordan had a coach and it really is just much more accountable and we do it a lot for marketing and it's just kind of thinking through where where the industry is going, and as we build out, we have a big team now and how to manage people because I'm good at the work, but having to manage a whole team of people on top of that. So it's really just bouncing off people. Yeah. So it's like a professional coach.

Yeah. For business. It's a professional business coach, yeah. You know, Jason, you and I talked about this before, but I used, I was a partner in a mortgage company around the time I was actually on The Bachelor. And it was so interesting because I was really good at the, you know, the, you know, people part of it, right? But I couldn't, what I couldn't sink my teeth into and why I wish I would have had this coach at that time, because I think it would have been really helpful for me was I couldn't

understand why people didn't work with the same level of commitment, desire, you know, just drive that I had. So anything that wasn't that to me was like lazy, right? I'm sure, I'm sure a coach would have helped me find those people's strengths and, you know, see things differently where I just had this like tunnel vision where I'm like, they either do it as hard and as often as I do it or they're not, you know, they're not going to be as valuable. And the people can be so valuable in so many different ways. And it's, I'm sure that's got to be so helpful running a company. I mean, it is for sure. And we're, I think I was hesitant. I would have been hesitant, but I worked for this guy. This is when I was on The Bachelor, actually. I worked for this financial guy. And he was one of the

richest guys in Seattle worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. And he was in his 70s at the time and still had a coach that he met with twice. Really? Wow. That's awesome. He's like, if that guy needs a coach, I sure as hell do. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I can see it being, I mean, I guess I kind of started with this question of like, is it a life coach? Because I can see needing help with parenting. I mean, and just running a household as well, you know? Anyway, that's really cool.

I feel like, is that one of the secrets to your successful marriage? The real estate coach? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I mean, in this part of your life, maybe, a little bit. I think it definitely helps kind of separate work. I'm going to shut up because I'm going to say something really stupid. Why?

That's not true. Unless you guys are fighting, then maybe you should. No. You know, then you come to the right show. Well, you know, it's funny. Like, I have always, you know, the whole like happy life, happy life conversation? Yeah. I've always been like a happy couple.

Happy. Me too. Yeah, right. You do? I say that too because I'm always like, if she's happy, that means I'm not happy, right? So I'm pointing to you because I think my husband feels the same way. Now, since all you, all of you are men, maybe the fact of the matter is you just are butt hurt because we're not like happy husband, happy life. I love me, just and goes, men.

Like, it was a stronger end than a half. Men. Yeah. It's right. So like somebody once told me this is, but when Ty was really little, they, they, there's a, uh, one of the other dads on his like, T-ball team was like had, was very strict about date night with his wife. Uh-huh.

Right. And I'm not, Molly and I are definitely not as good about that specifically. But I was like how, like how and why? How do you make the time? And he specifically said, if we're not good, him and his wife, our family's not good. Right. That's true. That's true.

So happy couple. Just a happy couple. Yes, I agree. But, I mean, 100% I agree. I really do. I think if we weren't happy, then we don't have the foundation of our family. I totally agree with that. I just think it's funny that you guys are like, oh, whatever, it's not a happy wife.

Me, me, me, me. Wait, wait, do we say it like that? I don't sound like that. You totally did. You totally did. That's like the translation, you know, when you see like somebody. Oh, my gosh. That actually, I just saw on Instagram.

Have you guys seen where they do lip, like, lip syncing for, like, NFL, like, people, guys on the football field or whatever? Oh, yeah, I love that. So good. Like, I think Jimmy Fallon or Jimmy Kimmel has done it. Yeah. But it's kind of like that. Like, you guys are talking like this is, and this is what I hear. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like the, like the Charlie Brown thing when the teacher every time to teach you, it's like, ma-moa, mom, ma-moa, mom, ma-moa. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. So, yes. Okay, so leading into, what are the secrets of your success in terms of your marriage? Of our marriage?

You know, the thing I think is, is just growth. I think it's like everything else personally, for me, it's been like everything else in life. Like, my first marriage, I failed and I learned a lot. And then even early on with Molly, like we had to adjust to her being a stepmom and coming in and being really young at the time. You know, Molly was 24, yet she thought she was super mature because she paid rent. But I think, really, that's what she told me. That is so funny. You're in so much trouble now.

I know. I like to be in trouble. But she knows it, but as time went by, she started to, like, we both started to grow. Like, we've all, like, everybody else, we have, like, I think communication has been the biggest struggle at any relationship, like work relationship, personal relationship. But I think as the years go by and like, we've been married 13 years now. That's awesome. That's awesome. I mean, but I think the communication just gets better and better. Yeah. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh,

wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really? cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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And I think it's just one of those things you can look at it a million different ways, but I think that I just, I mean, you knew you were going to get roasted on a national television when you made that decision, but you didn't care. You did it anyway. And I think that that's one of those things that will persevere, will help you to always have that to fall on. Hey, we've been through times where people, you know, were not very nice to, you know, Jason Messach, you know, publicly. I'm sure they were just ripping you apart at that time and you didn't care. You went for where your heart was. And I think that says a lot about you guys. I think you need to talk to Molly about this because she and her experience was very different.

Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't like, came back for love. It was like, yeah. ditch me yeah yeah yeah and she does bring that up every day she puts it on the whiteboard yes 365 times 14 is a lot yeah that is a lot I don't know what that is off the top of head it's like it's come up let's just say maybe the seven yeah let's just say it's come up thousands of time well I choose to see the magic in it that's all I do too

You know, it's funny because I have a lot of people, and I'm sure, sorry, itchy and my, a lot of people who have said over the years, oh, well, how many successful couples are there? And I'll mention you guys and they're like, they don't count. I'm like, yes, they do. Like, they went through the trenches. Yeah. I'm like, he went with his heart and even though he knew he was going to be roasted, as you put, he was like, no, this is, this is what I need to do instead of just going with what he thought

the popular vote was going to be, you know, based on everyone kind of figuring out that you and Melissa were together. Maybe I'm wrong about thinking, think of this. Were you kind of upset at first? I was. I was. Because I was friends with Melissa, or so I thought. And so I was. And so I was like and I'm a I'm a loyal friend like I'm sure Molly could tell you that but I am a loyal friend like once once we are friends if you wrong my friend you better watch out the Scorpio comes out in me right and so I was like I was on Melissa's side because I felt like oh well what she was telling me was that she didn't know what was happening and and and lo and behold what I believe was the case, that wasn't

actually true. That she knew that you guys had talked prior to the after the final rose. You can tell that story. And so I was just basically like supporting her and defending her. You know, I was

trying to defend my friend. So you were anti-Molly. You were just pro-Milis. No, of course not. I loved Molly. She went to IU. Like, I love my IU girls. Yeah, but I will say to Blue, I'm Blue in the face, like, Melissa, Melissa is awesome for somebody. Like, she's very sweet, you know, it just, it just didn't work for us. And totally. I wish it wasn't on TV over and over again, but it is what I signed up for. Yeah. Right. Yeah, that's the hardest part is having to live through

it. I mean, I, of course, have a much different story than both of years, crash and burn 1,000 percent. But point being, you know, it was one of those things that you're right. You have to live through it and live, you know, everyone's recollection of it also kind of, you know, what do they say? People can rewrite history, you know, so sometimes things change, especially with a good 15 to 20 years on them that, you know, isn't exactly how I went down, but it's how someone remembers it. So I always find that to be a little bit interesting too. I mean, I remember and again, like, it's all, you know, way in the past. I remember begging the production staff, like, can we just not do this on TV? Like, this is not good for me. And they're like, don't worry.

It's going to be great. They said the same thing to Jake Pavelka. Yeah. Could you imagine? No, trust me, it's going to be great for you, Jake. Yeah, right. No, but honestly, like, I loved both of them, but I was friends with Melissa. At least I felt like at the time.

And so I was just kind of defending her. But please, I mean, Molly's my girl. I love your wife. And I know. I mean. And I love the two of you together. I love, I say this to the people who are like, they don't count. I'm like, whatever. Like they are, they have fought for their relationship. It wasn't easy, as you kind of alluded to. Like, I remember, didn't she move to Seattle and you guys lived separately or no, you had a long distance relationship first, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, you guys fought for your relationship. You didn't, you didn't just jump ship and be like, okay, let's move in together. We're having babies tomorrow. You know, like, you guys fought. for your relationship. So I... Well, and you probably had to be so...

I mean, Jason, I know you probably talked about this a lot, too, but you had to be so careful, you know, with your child and to make sure that it was the right thing before, you know, you're not necessarily going to be playing house on the weekends when you have a young child, you know, and you were so mindful of that. I think you always put your son first, and I was always really respected. I respected that a lot because at the time I didn't have kids, but I was just like, man, if I did,

And now that I do have them, I could only imagine how it had to be, that had to be just priority number one for you. And I thought it came through. I mean, it's funny, even going through that, because I think the biggest arguments had with my ex-wife was like, she did not want him a part of anything. Right. And I was, you know, what about just little bits here and there? Yeah. But, like, I think the hardest, I would say probably the hard, one of the hardest things going through that show is they really wanted him to be a part of everything. They're like, well, what if we have a big date and all the girls babysit,

high. And I was like, what do we don't do that? Yeah. Yeah, you had to protect. Oh, my gosh. Can you imagine though being a parent now? No. No. No. I really can't. I can't even imagine being a contestant or whatever you want to call it, a participant. I literally said the other day, I cannot, if the show was, if social media was what it is now back then, I don't, I couldn't have survived. And Ryan said, you would not have made it because I used to look at the message boards like and I cannot imagine being skewered like the people get skewered now. I really, really can't. I mean, yeah, they were just message boards for Trista and I and I remember I would see I would see like a hundred because I you make the, it's almost like you go down this rabbit hole right. Everyone's like don't look at it.

I didn't even know it existed until he told me not to look at it. Then I looked at it. Worst mistake ever. And I'd see like a thousand nice things. And I'd see. one or two bad things, and those two things would consume me for days. Same. Like, I would literally think about it, like, what? Why would this person say this? Like, that is the meanest thing ever. And it was like, I can't even imagine how the contest is gone there now.

Like you said, the participants, whatever they're going. I know. I would be so in my own head. I probably would just quit. I really wonder how many of us would actually say the same thing. You know what I mean? If any of us, any of the OGs, like, I want to take a poll. Jason was at the beginning, right?

You were at the beginning of social media. Yeah, I mean, you know, people were on my MySpace page, and I'm not joking. I know that way. I'm not joking. It was all MySpace back then. I believe it. Oh, my gosh. Twitter had kind of just started. Yeah.

But who was the guy who started MySpace? Tom? Remember the guy that was. No idea. I remember the guy who was talking about. He was like, he followed everybody. He was like here to talk. Yeah.

Yeah. It was all, it literally, it was all MySpace. That is so funny. Yeah. No, I mean, the way that it is, and not just social media, but I feel like. the way that they pin people against each other, like I always say, and I've heard this from a lot of different people, that our season was very innocent and, you know, and innocent in the way that

no one really knew about it or people did. I mean, obviously, 30 million people or whatever watched it. But I think that they were still, like, in it for, like, the love story. And now I feel like maybe a lot of people watch it because of the drama. And so that's what they have to continue to do is just make things dramatic. And I just don't think I could have handled it. I mean, I think about this all the time just by which shows are on in our house. And I'll give you two awesome examples. One is the housewives of whatever. Yeah. Right. Right. And then secondly, this is new to our family and it's going to talk about how bad of a parent I am. But a show called Dance Moms. Okay. Okay. That's me. No, that's me. So Dance Moms is on all the time.

now? Stop it is. But it's like that drama is what people want to see. Yes, right. I think the love story is like cute after the fact. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Are you kidding? You know, one of my friends, we were just at a dance competition this weekend. And one of my friends turns to me and she's like, this is what you need to do a show on. Dance moms, but the one that you're watching, Jason, was super dramatic and the like director of the studio was yelling at all the moms and there was always like, you know, infighting, whatever. These girls are super talented. But I really would love to like have some kind of show out there where we actually focus on the talent of these kids because it really is like amazing to see. And we like we pour our lives into these girls. So I would love the positive part of that.

But you're right. Like people just want to see the drama. Like they want to see. see the fighting. Oh, I hate it. So, and I'm new, like, again, I don't pay attention a lot to like what's going on in the bachelor world. Yeah. But am I fair to understand that Fleiss has more time on his hands if you want to pitch something to him? He sure does. We, uh, we might have just brought that up because we neither one of us know what's going on, but we had just said before we came on, we're like, yeah, what did you hear about that? I heard this. Right. You know, what did you hear, Jason? Yeah, you probably know more than us. Well, I only know through what Molly, Molly said, but like, from my understanding is that he could have done better about bringing other, other ethnicities and other culture into the show.

Oh, okay, got it. But I would say, like, again, I'm probably getting quoted on this somewhere, but it's not just like, for my experience, when I was going to be the bachelor, right? I got calls not just from him, but from ABC, to say the only reason they're trying to figure out if you're the right guy right now is because they've never had a Jewish, but not even a dad, but a Jewish bachelor, right? And it's not like, so that's a religious. Wait, you mean they were trying to figure out if they wanted a Jewish bachelor or? They were trying to figure out if America as a whole would accept somebody who is not of a different faith. And I, and I will say, like, thinking about that.

You know, and I had that conversation many times with them about, you know, different ethnicities as well because it wasn't, it was not from my, from what I remember, it was not about Mike Fleiss or any of the leaders deciding because they don't get the final decision. It's the corporation. Heck no. Right. So.

Well, it's, it's not just ABC. It's, uh, Warner, you know, right. Yeah. Yeah. They're just worried about who, are they going to sell enough ad space depending on who's on the show. Oh, I see. So they're like, oh, if we, if we, if we have a Jewish bachelor, will our sponsors still sponsor us because they want whatever else, whatever other religion? It's a piece of that.

And they'll say, well, like, if less people watch it because he's a Jewish guy, therefore we'll have less of dollars. And it didn't work. Like, like, and I will say in defense. Obviously, it didn't affect you because obviously you were, they made the right choice and they had you as the bachelor. Well, even on top of that, I will argue that, like, Mike Fleiss is Jewish. And then Jeff, programming was Jewish. Like, it was just like, it was a Jewish love fest. But it has nothing to do with any of us or, like, the fact that whether you like somebody or not, it was where could you sell ads with this guy here.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure it was focus group. Everything's focus group to death, you know. And they cut out. Like, we did have, like, there were funny little things we did with something about Judaism. and everything was cut out. Oh, really?

Yeah. We're not bad. We're not that bad. No. We're not that bad. Is that what you just said? We're not bad. We're not that bad.

Yeah, I'm sure. You know, I wonder if, you know, it was just like they focus group of everything, right? So, oh, will this work? Oh, yeah, it's going to work. Great. Okay, we'll do it. You know, it's almost like, it's just interesting to me. But obviously, they made the great choice.

But I remember the conversations of like, different ethnicities and this was not coming from anybody specifically it was coming from these research groups and like it was like you don't know if america is ready for that right huh wow interesting that's just about your count you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah i i think it's it's interesting i i i feel bad for just in general not just not just flice not just Chris Harrison, but anyone who gets canceled, you know, like the cancel culture, I think, is, I don't know, I think it's kind of out of control. And, you know, you have to be so careful with what you say and what you do because you're worried that you're just going to be

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or wherever you get your podcasts. I actually was saying the other day how bad I feel, I had talked to Zach and I was with Clayton. And both of them had gone through this really challenging time of being The Bachelor. Right. When its ratings have been declining. And they're taking shoulder in full responsibility in their minds for the show, you know? And I get that because, I mean, I know Jason and I actually talked about this years ago,

but I remember saying like half the reason I didn't want to be the Bachelor when they asked me to be was I was like, let's got nowhere to go, but down. Yeah. I mean, you know, what am I going to, I'm like, the Titanic. I'm like, the captain, just taking this thing. And, you know, it was one of those things were now, the 20 years later, the show is still here. I'm like, I guess we did all right, Trista. We kept it a lot.

But it, you know, but it was like, I remember that time. And I remember feeling that pressure like, oh, my gosh. And, you know, and thankfully my season was at that time where we did have a ton of you were still. And, you know, and so it's like now this many years later when it went from 28 or 30 million to now like two or three million. And it's largely because of the social media. I think the show can be watched a million different ways that maybe aren't, you know, quantifiable necessarily. But it's like, I mean, man, those guys feel so much pressure, you know,

like they're like, oh, I was the boring bachelor. Everyone, you know, I'm like, what are you talking about? You know, like it's a show's been out for 20 years. It's like the Simpsons. It's like, you know, it can't last forever, but hopefully it continues. But, you know, and it becomes what it will. But I think there's a lot of pressure on these guys too. And they feel like they're just, you know, driving the ship.

All of them. Oh, yeah, all of them. I feel like now it's got to be so hard because you couldn't have ever made a mistake in your life, ever, you know, because if it's found out, then you're going to be canceled. Yeah. And not that these people shouldn't have to answer for these mistakes, but I just don't think they should go so far as to be completely blackballed from everything. Do you know what I mean? Like I, yeah, so, you know, write a statement and if you feel remorseful about what you did, you know, apologize and do better. and, you know, make yourself better by actively doing things that are opposite to the mistake

that you made, you know. Redemption. Yeah. Right. Exactly. I feel like I was just having this conversation with my daughter yesterday about, and I don't even know why we were bringing it up, but about giving people second chances. And I told her, I do believe that everyone deserves a second chance.

We're all human. We make mistakes. And if we are remorseful in those mistakes. then we the hope is that you are redeemed and forgiven and I just I just wish that was that was more a part of our culture now instead of focusing on canceling that's hard I think but I just think about it it work all the time too it's like any successful business makes so many mistakes and you learn yeah yeah and so what we're also saying so we're saying is like of course there are terrible things that people do that you right some things are not redeemable you're right

totally that is actually what blakesly said she was like I don't know know if some things are forgiven like like if ryan ever hurt our kids i don't know that i would like physically hurt them you know like that would be really hard to overcome yeah but you know i do feel like there there are there are certain things that you know if someone truly is remorseful about um and proves through action that they have changed to then i just think about it as a parent too like you want or you kids to make mistakes and learn from them I mean, I, like, I think about that this is a stupid mistake, but like, Ty works so hard to be, to be on the varsity basketball team, right? He didn't make it his first couple years and he made it.

And then in one of the big games, he made a mistake and they lost, right? And I had never seen him so upset, like, as an 18-year-old, he's a big six-five. Yeah, he's tall, man. Gosh. He's huge. And I'm like, my heart is broken. I'm like, I don't ever want him to feel that way. but he as a young guy

like bounced back faster than I could have like I would drive me down but like it was interesting to see as a parent like he made a mistake he learned from his mistake and now he's moving on

yeah that's just good parenting that's that's why I think that's really good parenting I do because I think of that all the time like man I hope I prepare my kids properly for moments like that

because they're going to experience them you know so good for you guys good for you and your Molly and Molly and your ex and everyone for the involvement there to have him be able to bounce back like that. I think that's a big statement about you guys. Yeah, well, maybe that's because he's ditching this and went off to college here soon. I was just going to ask, what's happening? Where is he going?

Has he decided? He's pretty sure he's going to go to Boise State. Okay. It's not too far from here. Not for basketball. He wants to do his own thing. He's got friends going to kind of all the local schools in Washington, California, even Arizona. and he's just like he hasn't completely he's not 100% in but he's like I kind of want to

do my own thing and I really blue and the orange man that's the coolest colored football field I've ever bent into in my life yeah the field is bright orange yeah I think it's crazy yeah it's a really cool area too wait isn't it that's cool oh there's blue you're right it's bright blue but they're blue and orange blue and orange yeah yeah so yeah no like the broncos yeah it stands out big time. Yeah. I bet. That's so fun. And how is Riley doing? She's awesome. A little love bug. Yeah. She is such a mix. She is such a little Molly. I mean. Yeah. Oh, my God. But you know what? I didn't realize is that drama with these little ones starts pretty early. Tye was super really early. I'm like, the girls. Oh, I'm like, whoa, totally different than little boy.

Daddy donuts. They still going strong? Yeah. I think we're like, eight. ears into like Donuts with Daddy every Friday. I love it. I love it. You need to, um, you need to write a book about that considering you just wrote a book about your poopoo face. Yes. Yeah.

The poop face was, well, the poop face was all about, I will tell you, that was Ty's potty training experience. So that's really what it came from. And Riley has been bugging me since she's been aware of that book coming out that her and I are going to do you. You have to. I love that idea. Oh, I'm jealous.

Like, I always wanted to write a children's book, and I just never could come up with the right idea. I love it. Thank you for sending me one, even though my kids are far out of diapers and poo-pooing. And mine are in diapers, but it's okay. I'll go get it from Barnes & Noble. Oh, poop, I'll give you one. Oh, poo-poo. Oh, poo-poo.

Yeah, you know, it's funny. I'm actually, we're at the point where we're just trying to get Grayson to feel comfortable going to the bathroom by himself. He's always like, Daddy, come on. I have to go to the bathroom. I'm like, you got this, buddy. No, no. I need you to go with me. And I'm like, all right. You know, because in my mind, I'm like, you know, I got a late start of being a dad. So I'm going to soak it up, man. Because sooner than later, he's probably going to be like, you know, get out of here, dad. Why are you? I'll be like, hey, what are you doing here? I don't need you in here. What are you doing? I'm shaving. But you are loving it, aren't you? I am, man. I love it. I got to say, like, I think if I would have been at, the conventional age of having children, which all my buddies, their kids are in college and going to college. But I feel like I may have been, I don't think I was prepared. I think I was a little too selfish then, even though I thought I was a giving and magnanimous person. I think it happened at the right time for me because I'm at this part in life where I can go, you know what, I'm not doing that today. You guys go have fun. I'm staying right here and, you know, making sandcastles

with my kids, you know, or whatever. I love, I love being at this phase having the kids. I just feel bad that, you know, their friends are going to be like, why is your grandpa on a walker at his tea ball practice? Oh, that's my dad. That's my dad. He's 105. Oh, gosh.

That's how it feels anyway. He's still kicking. Like, what's up, boys? Bunt! Yeah. Well, Jason, we're so happy for you. I'm saying we, me and Bob, obviously. I'm very happy for you guys.

your success, love your family. I am very excited to see the finished product of the new house. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Is that all consuming? Not for me. I mean, we had a big conversation yesterday about chunky windows because I'd never heard, I'm in a real estate agent. I've never heard of chunky windows before. But windows are in, right? There's like a structure of the roofs going on. So it looks like a real house. But the windows went in, Molly has. is panicking about the chunkiness of them. Okay. Interesting.

Yeah. So it's not a technical term. Yeah. No. It's her term? Oh, got it. It's not technical. I see.

No, I love following her stories because, you know, building a house is just so much love to watch. I don't know. It is. Yeah. So anyway, thanks for coming on and having a chat. It's always fun to hang out.

Always great seeing you, buddy. Definitely, you know, I will be the Godfather's godfather. How's that? Oh, you say, like, maybe you're the, I'm Godfather 2. Oh, there you go. There you go. Yeah, yeah, I'll be Godfather 1. That's a good one.

I like it. I liked both of those movies. Godfather 3, we don't need it. No. Was it just named Godfather 1 and Godfather 2, or did they have, like, titles? They tried a three. Oh, yeah, there was titles with it. The Godfather was just a godfather.

Like, what's the title? Do we know? Okay, yes. Yeah. But Godfather 2 did. have like a subtitle. Yeah, I can't remember what it was. Godfather three, I think, was just basically referred to as the one that shouldn't have been made. Yes, right, of course, which I have not seen. But give Molly and the kids our best and tell Ty we're excited for him. And I love

watching your and Riley's donut choices on Fridays. So keep them coming. So cute. Yes. And thanks for joining us on the OGs, buddy. You got it anytime, guys. All right. Bye, Jay. Take care, Jay. Jason Mesnick, everybody. God, he's a great guy, man. I love that guy. You know, it's funny, I regret when I lived in Pacific Northwest. I lived in Seattle for four years. We didn't get together a ton, but in the beginning, it was nice because Jason always made an effort to include me and stuff and, you know, make me feel welcome. And I really enjoyed it. You know, I just was traveling at that point so much in my life that it was bananas, but he was always such a nice guy. And we have a lot of friends in common that live out there in Seattle. So it was always

nice to cross paths when we did and, you know, just a good dude. Really salt to the earth guy, you know? Agreed. Agreed. I just love them. Their family is really, truly one of my favorites. Yeah. I think you're right, though. They fought for that. They fought for that family. They deserve all the happiness in the world, you know? I mean, honestly, any couple who is able to stay together, even if they weren't a lead on the show, one of the people in the couple, even if we one of them wasn't a lead, I think we give them all credit for being, you know, from the show because there is not, I hate to say pressure because I don't feel like Ryan and I have ever really felt pressure to stay together. But there is, you know, all the judgment and everything that

comes along with being in the public eye in terms of your relationship. So I think I, I, I, one 100% include them every single time when it comes to success for us. I do too. You know, it's funny when we were talking to Ashley, Ashley, Ashley Ebert Rosenbaum. Yeah. And she had mentioned all the, you know, the kind of like the, the hate that she got online when they were splitting up. Imagine starting your relationship with that, right? So like you're kind of coming into it sort of in this situation that's, so it's, it's almost, I wouldn't say it's almost. understandable because it's not understandable at all. But it's almost like you can say, oh, wow, I guess I get it at the end because people are like, why did you let it happen type of thing?

And, you know, glass houses, people live in glass houses throw stones. Right. So, but it's like for someone to kickstart their relationship like that, it had to be so challenging. So I just feel like there's something to be said about that. You know, I think you make it through the fire and you get to the other side. And it's pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I 100% agree. And I would go so far as to say, I think they are the couple that probably had the most drama to deal with in the beginning because he chose somebody else, right? I don't think there's anybody else who chose someone else and then, you know, switched over. Didn't Ari?

Ari did that? Ari did that. But he did it mid-season, exactly. It wasn't like after the final rose and, you know, all of that. I mean, yes, definitely Ari, I think, and Lauren have done. And they are very, yes, true story. Yes. Yeah. That is a very good. But you're right, though. I mean, I think to come through it, anybody to come through it. I mean, there's a lot of pressure. And, you know, any relationship in the public eye, obviously, you know, I got married to an actress and it was very much in the public eye and it wasn't from the show. But it was still felt like a lot of pressure. You know, so I mean, it was one of those things where, you know, it's kind of nice to have that anonymity once in a while again. And, you know, every now, And then, you know, you have it. But I think for those two, I think they, you know, they were trial by fire for sure.

So to make it through, I'm very happy for them. And I'm glad he was on the show. And I'm excited that maybe I can, you know, maybe he'll send me a copy of the Poo Poopoo book. It'll be helpful. Jason, if you want, if you're still watching. Yeah, that's right. I'm sure he will. I'm sure he will.

He must have just forgot. He must have forgot the other Godfather. Totally forgot. Yeah. Happens. Can happen. All right. Bye.

No. Sorry. You're like, I have my son. signed copy, you know. I love you, Tristan Sutter, Ney, Ren, and please give Ryan and Blakesley and my boy Max, who just adores me. You know, it's Blake's birthday today. Hey, happy birthday.

You know, I saw that post you put of you and her standing with each other, and God has a beautiful post. I loved it. Oh, thank you. Very, very nice, very sweet. So happy birthday to her. That was this weekend. My baby girl, who's had, you know, a full face of makeup because she was dancing.

But she doesn't need that. She's got you by the getting into to. She's 14. Ah, I got to get used to say she's 14. She's 14. I have a 14 and a 15 year old. How is that possible? It's not possible because I'm still 30, right?

Yes, yes, you absolutely are. And so am I, and I've got a 4-year-old and a 1-and-a-half-year-old because that's when I was supposed to do that. Am I normal? That's right. That's right. Hey, you know what? Your normal is normal.

It's all good. It's your normal. Everybody's got their own normal, I suppose. That's right. But I always love doing this with you. I'm so excited we're going to be doing this so much more moving forward over the next few weeks, over the next few months. It's going to be a whole lot more regular.

So make sure you're still tuning in and check it out everything we got to bring to you guys. And as always, thanks for joining us here. It almost seems. Thank you. See you later. Oh, geez. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up.

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