The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - An Unnecessary Tell All (The Golden Bachelor Season 2 Women Tell All Recap)

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

It’s time for the Women Tell All on Mel Owens’ season of The Golden Bachelor! But did we really need this? Do we even remember some of these women??Ben and Ashley try to find parts of the Tell All they liked, but we end up hearing plenty of ideas that could have made this more than a “filler” episode. We still have hope for the finale, but is Mel a man in love… or a man in lust?? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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making fun of the show i'm just like this was the most wasted money ever is it wasted money is are the live shows more expensive you think yeah because they have to rent out that studio and then they have to um fly in all those ladies pay for the hotel for all those ladies it's expensive and there was nothing nothing i mean it was air yes okay We're going to get into that. Before we do, we want to tell everybody happy Halloween. If you celebrate that kind of thing, it is Winona's first Halloween. I'm dressing up for the first time I bet in 25 years. Oh, that's so you to have not dressed up for 25 years. Yeah, it is. I mean, I literally, I haven't. I didn't dress up much as a kid either.

I had never not dressed up. Did you know that? No. Never not dressed up. What's your most iconic look? well the one that is iconic to me is like my custom made jasmine costume i had a custom made one when i was little and then when i was 21 i got another custom one made and man oh man were they worn so many times there was so many years where it would be my fallback and then it would be like great in addition because there was also so many years in my 20s where it was like such an

Instagram thing that, like, I needed to have multiple costumes for the plot of it all, right? Yeah. So, yeah, that has been so well worn. And it was great when Dawson was going through his Aladdin stage, like, two years ago, phase. And then when Jared and I got together and I finally got to have a couple's costume for the first time of my life, so excited. This is the only year where I guess since Dawson's had, like, sort of an opinion, like, I have had less of a compulsion to dress up for myself. Are you going to dress up, though?

Yeah. But it's for the first time ever. Like, I don't have, like, any connection to my costume. And that is because I'm being a Power Ranger. I'm being a Pink Power Ranger because Jared has got Dawson into the Power Rangers. I was not allowed to watch the Power Rangers when it was really popular when we were in kindergarten. Because of the violence? Yes.

And I have stuck with that, taking my mom's motto, and he's not really allowed to watch it either. He has seen, like, a couple episodes on planes, like, as, like, a special treat. And then Jared has shown him the movie, which Jared claims is far tamer and, like, less bizarre than the show a couple times. But he's actually, like, never been, like, go watch Power Rangers. which is great because it's usually not allowed but he just loves like the martial arts of it and he loves playing it and he loves his action figures he loves his power ranger action figures i grew up liking the power rangers a little bit yeah i never got that into it but it is a little weird i think it was a little creepy for me yeah weird i think you as a pink power ranger is a great

costume by the way. I think it's going to fit you. Really? Yeah. I just hope that we can make some video where it's like really nostalgically like it looks like a VHS tape for the 90s. Yeah. And then it'll feed my creative juices. But everybody is going to be one. Jared's going to be the Green Ranger or Hayden being the Green Ranger. Or one of them's blue, one of them's green and Dawson's the red one. I feel like you're defeated. I am. I am defeated because you know what? This is me. This is the first time there's like an activity. where being a boy mom has been like, oh, well, I have to be a Power Ranger for Halloween, whereas I'm always dressing up as princesses or like Taylor's way after something like that.

And it's okay. Somebody said something to me on Instagram when I posted that we were going to be Power Rangers, and they were like, the fact that, like, you are going along with, like, his choice of costume is an example of how you are a great mom to him. And I'm like, that's so sweet. I'm going to remind myself of this on Halloween as I'm dressed as a Power Ranger. It's a testament to you. in your commitment to make sure that your sons have a good time.

I'm dressing up for the first time as the beast. In 25 years. It's the beast. Oh, so you're going to be like the little, like the adorable dad. There's this TikTok gone viral of a beast walking down the road with his little bell. And he's gigantic and she's so tiny. So who's Jess going to be? A bigger bell.

Oh, so two bells. That's cute. Two bells. She bought everything. I even seen my costume yet. That's so cute. So are you going to go take her trick-or-treating because it's kind of a weird age? Okay.

We're going to take her early to show our neighbors because they just love seeing Winnie. And so my parents have come out. They're going to pass out candy at our house. We're going to take her around and say hi to the neighbors. Obviously, Halloween falls on a Friday, so it's a big party in our neighborhood. It's going to be a blast. Have I ever told you before we get into the breakdown what happens in my neighborhood? I think you said that it's just like wild.

It's wild Halloween neighborhood. But this is no lie The elk curd That lives like amongst us around us Oh yes I know all about this How they just walk down the street They walk down the street after everybody leaves And eats the candy

And they'll like be walking past the kids Like the hurdle you can have the street Eating pumpkins and candy And the kids will still be trick or treat It's crazy I've never seen anything like That is so cool I love that

imagery. Can you please record that? Yeah, I will. I'm not very good at recording stuff, but I will, if you ask me to, I'll remember to record that. Please, that's such good visuals. It's so fun. It's so great. It's hilarious. We're excited for it. It's going to be a good year. I'm just excited. I mean, Winona just breaks my heart every time, and she's in a little princess costume. I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'm going to be so proud of her because she's beautiful. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, Ben, this is so cute. I could talk about this forever. The fact that I also just casually in our dress-up box downstairs have a full-blown beauty and the beast set is like, I just have one. Of course I do.

A full-blown beast costume in the basement. Jared and I once stupidly, I think this was last Halloween, went upstairs to wake up Dawson from a nap, dressed as Bell and the Beast on Halloween, thinking that he would think it was cool and, no, petrified. Yeah. Yeah, he's not scared of anything, though. It's so weird. He goes to the Halloween store and he's like all the scary animatronics, not phase at all. Hayden, petrified. Yeah.

So, yeah, he's, he's never been scared of things like that, too. I don't know. My sister, so we're going to my sister's house for Halloween. Because she's like in the Arlington paper every year for being like one of the houses to go see. because she has insane decorations outside. She goes back and forth between scary dolls, clowns, and then like a graveyard. And besides that, that's like all the shed can handle. Like the shed is basically dedicated to, you know, to Halloween decor.

And she has so many checkered traders. So I'm really excited. I know you have a lot of men in your life. but I want to remind you that I am frightened of clowns. Like I have a massive... That's the theme this year. Good. Good. It's so...

It is really scary. I'll send you videos. There's nothing about clowns. It makes sense to me. All right, as we close up here, Ash, doesn't make any sense. What candy is your favorite that your boys will get possibly trigger training? Okay.

So, like, my favorite candy in general is Cadbury Chocolate. I love Cadbury. chocolate. I think it's more high scale than any sort of Godiva or anything on that level. But it's Halloween candy. I do love a Tutsi roll

and I'm always excited to see you know, them get Reese's Twix, Snickers, Milky Way. Those are some classics. You just name the whole bag of candy that I bought. Like literally that's the whole bag. No candy. I don't want the fake dyes.

I mean, I do like Twizzlers. and I do like Starburst. So basically, all the good ones. That's my taste. What about you? I'm a sour guy. Anything sour, I will eat up in a second, but I'm not a candy fan,

but I will eat a lot of sour candy. You're not a candy fan. What do you mean by that? I don't like candy that much. Wow. You know that like Jared and I both cannot go to bed without having dessert. I really can't finish a meal

without having a piece of chocolate. I have a mini dessert after every meal. I don't eat dessert. Jessica thinks it's odd. I'm a fruit fan of dessert. So, like, anything fruity, so if they have, like, a blueberry crisp, I might get it. A peach cobbler could see myself eating it. But that's all, that's as far as I go.

Wow, Ben. That's good for you. Like, I'm happy for you about that. But, like, all of my desserts have to incorporate chocolate, even, like, pies. Like, no thank you unless it's chocolate cream pie. No, it's not like I made this conscious decision. for my health. I do a lot of other things bad for my health. It's just I, I don't know. I've never loved candy. It's not a sugar guy. Never have been. I don't, I don't drink soda, so. Wow, good for

you. I love, I just love a Coke. But I eat a ton of chips. Are you salty guy then? Yeah, you know, I, my favorite food in the entire world might just be chips and dip. Yeah. That's my ultimate weakness. I can, I can pound a bag of cheddar and sour cream ruffles in one day pretty easily. Yeah. I'm more of like a taco dip or chips and salsa or chips and I guess it's like a tostito, but a really hard, crunchy one and put it in queso. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I do want to share one more thing that's unrelated. I'm going on our first Disney cruise next week. I've been on 19 cruises, 18 Royal Caribbean, very loyal to royal, then been on one princess. I was in seventh grade. And what did I say in seventh grade? I cried when I saw the dining room because it wasn't grand enough, okay? That fits. Yep.

Checks out that I have been me for that long. And no offense to Princess Cruise Line. I'm sure they're fine. Yeah. So then we were going on a Disney cruise for my dad's. It's kind of in celebration for my dad's 70th birthday, which happened two weeks ago. he hasn't been on vacation since 2018

he has not been like away on vacation yeah but me he worked through COVID I remember that yeah I mean he takes vacation like he's off weeks at a time but he doesn't leave like the house yeah he likes to like be at the house and then in work at the house you what I mean like he likes like work on the house when he's off so we're very excited

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actually we are here to break down this episode it was the tell all Again, as I said last week, you and I both are going to be very clear, transparent, that a lot of this has missed for us. But we can't come in here as negative nancies. People don't listen to us to be negative nancies. They don't listen to us to just simply complain. So we'll get that out of the way off the top. I'm confused on why they did a tell all, first of all. I don't know why they thought it would fit this season.

The cast members weren't that well known. And in fact, some of them getting announced, and maybe this is just me, could be, but it's kind of my job. And I feel like I try pretty hard to get to know the people on the show. There were people getting announced that I had no recollection of, could not remember their names, was looking them back up on ABC's website when they were saying, here is so-and-so. And I'd say, yep, never seen her before. I don't have any idea in there. Like, she made it to week four. And I'm like, still never saw her before.

The tell-all was an interesting choice for this season. I just don't think it was necessary. I don't think it fit. I don't think it resonated probably with the audience. And that's why I asked you off the beginning, is it really cheaper? Because it had to be a strategic move to say, hey, let's fill an episode. Let's get this time slot going. But let's not spend money on the travel, on the food, on the crew.

But maybe, maybe I'm wrong. You know, I would rather them use this as like, honestly, do a freaking 40-hour, 40-hour, 40, God, no, not 40-hour. 40 minute episode of just bloopers or things we haven't seen before, like a behind the scenes of the golden. Like that would be so much more interesting if they needed a filler episode. They also, I think that they could have dragged it out. Like there could have been some part of the season that they didn't crunch down.

Like there was a couple episodes I feel like that had two rose ceremonies in it. Like we didn't need that spread it out. so that we could have had that in this slot. Yeah. Either way, Ashley, let's dive into it. The big storyline coming into this tell-all was going to be Nicole and how the ladies handled Nicole what they would say back to Nicole. I honestly felt like coming out of it, it was tame towards Nicole in a way I did not expect.

And maybe I thought, maybe I was just like building myself up because if they're going to do a tell-all, unfortunately for Nicole, they're doing a tell-all because they think they have content grand enough to show her getting talked to by the ladies and Mel, it felt tame to me, good, bad, and different. It just felt tamer than I expected. Do you agree? I thought Debbie was kind of came at her. Debbie was all like, you, what was the word she used? She said, you didn't empower us. You dismissed us. And I thought that was pretty intense. Yeah.

Okay. So you have that example. Any other examples? Oh, no. That was the only moment of the episode. Like, that was the only moment of the episode that got at all confrontational. Yeah. So as I'm saying, I thought it was pain.

I thought anything, you don't need to be bullying and mean to somebody. But I thought it was a great moment to have a conversation about, hey, you called the last cast not that attractive. You said you wanted to be an influencer. or these are core things that the golden was never supposed to be about. Nicole, why would you say those things? Like, at least we could have gotten into that. They should have had Kathy and Susan speak from the audience. Yeah, or Joan came on the show.

Joan came on the show and was very honest about her feelings towards the comments made. And Joan is a very kind and very thoughtful person who doesn't speak out on this stuff. often. I don't know, Ash. So we had that moment. And then, honestly, we kind of get into Mel. I mean, the ladies in general was just, like, happy they were there. They love Mel. Mel, you're so great. There's one more thing about Nicole. I think it was because she wasn't very not, she was not very confrontational back. She wasn't really trying to defend herself. She at one point said, I'll do better. She's like, I'm sorry. Do I think it's genuine? Like, not really. but like I think she had a good PR move

or like a good publicist talk to work. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's something that somebody says to just dismiss the argument. It's my same concern with like people these days being like, I'm going to do me. Or of course, like, I'm going to be persecuted and hate it on my four ideas.

Like, it's like, no, like listen to why you're hurting people and respond with maybe... your reasoning and then talk about like why you said this thing you said I would have appreciated this moment more if Nicole was like you know what guys yeah I want to be an influencer and I didn't mean all the mean things I see like that would be so much like clear to me and I'd be like hey at least she's honest you've done that your whole life Ash it's one of the reasons I love you is you you don't you're not mean to people I think that's one thing you have going your way you're very kind human but you've never hidden this idea that you're like no I want to be on TV like really really bad. Like, I love it. I love being on TV. I think it's the, at least I, like, I respect it and I appreciate it and I support you in your pursuit of that because at least you're honest about it. I'm not desperate about it. The opportunity comes to me. I'll say yes. I never said you're desperate. I never said you're desperate, but you're honest with age, I can take it or leave it. It's not true. Yeah. I'll probably take it. I tell you.

I was going to say, you found yourself in the desert of Australia for nothing. Hey, that was a lot of, that was another, that was a lot of cash. I just, I appreciate the honesty. I did not feel like I got the, I'm going to do better. If every time Ashley, you and I joked with each other and I was just like, you're right, Ashley, I'll do better. It's like, well, the conversation's done. Like, what are you going to say back? Like, I don't believe you?

Like, you can't say either. It's hard to say anything back to that. So she said the thing, that gets people to back off. I know. It just frustrated me. I went to see more, I guess. All right. Well, then we have Cheryl joins Jesse on stage.

She gets emotional watching her time back on the show. She doesn't, there's not much to talk about here. She does have her son in the audience with her grandkids. That was cute. But I was also like, how did they hide this? Was there, were they sitting there the whole time? And then do they take them out or would they take them out when she came on stage? It looks pretty well settled.

Is it really that much of a surprise to have your family in the audience? No, I mean, that's the thing is, like, it's not that big of surprise. I had buddies in the audience when I was on the show. Like, it's not my parents were, of course, there. I would have loved that my grandparents there. I mean, I frequently have my parents' best friends who, you know, they're my pastor and his wife, like, there. Like, I don't think it's that big a surprise.

And it's something you want to share with people. it's a fun moment for these women like they're on live television and their families are going to watch them talk on live television and dress up and look all beautiful and pretty i think it's great that your family's there i just don't think it's that big of surprise uh it's not that like shock factor surprise that we've seen in the past yeah she's like okay calm down now Yeah, like, have you not seen it? Yeah, it hasn't been months? Ten years? Like, are you, like, I don't know, you probably talked to him yesterday. Like, what's wrong? We're just finding something to complain about.

I know. Well, because there isn't a lot here, Ashley. So let's just talk about it, honestly. There isn't a lot here to talk about. There's emotion watching it back. Cheryl gets emotional. Debbie gets emotional. People are wishing more time with Mel.

Mel comes out, and the ladies just pretty much say how much they liked him, how great he was. There isn't any confrontation, even after watching it back being like, hey, Mel, like, did you actually ever want anybody? There was nothing that we've been asking. And if you have a live show, my hope is that the show has listened to the viewership enough to answer the questions that the viewers are asking. And I think there's very clear questions right now. the viewership is asking. Why did you pick him? Why did you pick him?

Mel, were you actually ever really that into this? Nicole, why did you say you wanted to be an influencer? And why did you call the last cast not that attractive? They should have had Kathy and Susan host this chat. It would have been great. They would have said some weird stuff. I love them.

They're great. They would have pulled everything out of everybody. They've been like, no, not enough. And we didn't give you those vibrators for your skyatica. we gave you those vibrators for other reasons. Also, if they have heard so many complaints about Mel, they could have used some of this time, if not the whole hour, like I was saying,

to show like a whole bunch more in-depth moments with him, at least building up to some, at least so that you could build up his, the feelings that you have towards him, going into the finale, and also kind of defend their choice. Yeah. Now I'm just left to think,

you didn't have any footage. They didn't. I mean, that's the thought. It's like they could have, they kind of threw Mel into the bus during hometowns. You would think the live show could be the opportunity to kind of like bring him from the ashes. Like, rise him up and say, okay, no,

this is the guy that we didn't show. Here's some funny moments with Mel. Here's some intimate moments with Mel. Here's some moments that we caught Mel crying in the corner when he didn't think cameras were around. We didn't see anything. And then he gets on stage. and I think

you know it feels like okay melby on stage feels like what the season has felt like so far it's saying the right things at the right moment we're not saying anything at all and saying them quickly and

concisely and leaving a lot of room for interpretation it doesn't get me fired up for this finale it doesn't and so you know you look at the way the show set this up it's It's obviously planned. These people are professionals.

I mean, they have Jared Freed in the audience. Well, I'm down for Jared Freed to be there. He always makes me laugh. And I did really like that clip that they showed with him where they were showing all the one-liners he was trying to give to Robin. And Robin didn't laugh at any of them. And that was like the most relatable moment because my mom wouldn't understand Jared's Freed's humor either because he has the most millennial

humor. I think he's hilarious, but again, what does it bring? Like, did it make the show? It makes me laugh for a second. Okay, good. Good. That's all we need. Yeah.

I mean, he's funny. He is, and he's good on the show. He's good for the show. I just don't see, like, out of everything they could have done here, that was, like, that was one of their big attempts. It just felt, like, it just feels like we're. We're not rising up. Here's my complaint.

All these other shows are going on right now, and they're crushing it. New creative ideas. They're always rising to the occasion. The Bachelor has every opportunity to rise to the occasion and compete with these new shows coming out. And it feels like time after time again, they just fall a little short,

and it frustrates me because I believe in the show. Yeah, I know. I still think the show could be good. I know. The finale is actually two, hours so now i'm again being like okay why didn't you just air hour one of the finale leave us on a good cliffhanger and then do another hour it'd be great yeah i mean that that the finale is two hours it has to have some context that we're not seeing like it's going to be dramatic emotional it's

going to pull it our heartstrings maybe a little bit i i am still holding out hope actually we have we have two hours left and i'm holding out hope to the end of the season helps us us understand what we've been watching the for the last you know eight to nine weeks yeah do you agree yeah of course I agree but like I'm kind of hopeless at this point to be honest I'm just I'm not going to think that this engagement is going to last at all who do you think he gets engaged to I think it's Cindy I think it's Cindy too yeah I think so and she'll be really happy yeah and I'm really happy for her but I'm really sad for when it's not not necessarily going to work out.

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This is our tell-all episode. Usually we feel like these are either so great or just miss the mark. Every season that they do this. But this is a tell-all episode of The Golden Bachelor. We got the previews for Antigua next week. Antigua's beautiful. We see some sweet dates. We see some sweet moments.

I don't exactly see the iconic moment that will make us be put on the edge of our seats and make this season memorable. I don't see it yet. I hope it's there. He's holding an engagement ring. I still in doubt that he's going to propose. This just doesn't seem like a man in love to me. me. And as we even saw last week, he said, like, he's not there yet. So how do you go from being not being in love to being like, I'm going to get down on one knee? Yeah. You can't do that.

You can't, you actually can't do that. So your vote is he doesn't get engaged at all at the end of this. I think the smart choice would be not to get engaged. I mean, I oftentimes say that the smart choice would not be engaged. I'm with you on that. But like right now, like, I actually don't even think he's like very much in lust because sometimes I think that like a lot of the leads are confused and they're like oh you know bachelor bubble lust love but there's something that I'm feeling intensely I just like don't even think he's feeling intensely so I think it's best for him not to do this I'm with you I think they should go out of this and be a happy couple and try to make this work in the real world for as long as they can yeah and you know how my argument is as of last

season like you have your kids just date just date have a lot of fun travel the world um do you think pegs are next golden bachelorette she's cool she's cool as a bachelorette i think it would need to be debby especially after this season this episode yeah this made me like this episode that that was a moment where i felt where i was just like i'm really sad this lady's never been married that's what she still really wants and her wearing the white wedding dress I won a Bachelorette who's never been married in her 60s. Yeah, I think that's beautiful. Let's hope for it.

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