The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Bachelor Countdown Day 4: Zach Shallcross

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

Weddings are so expensive-- Even if you're "Bachelor" season 27 star Zach Shallcross! He's here to calm fans' nerves and share the real reason why the wedding is on pause and recalls his anxiety receiving a call about the show that changed his life forever. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to the show. Hi. Hello. Hello. Zach, if you don't remember, which of course you do. Season 27 premiered January 23rd, 23rd, it's been two years, Zach. And I see behind you that you still have in your office a little,

a little rose. And look at this. Look at this. This is hilarious. Look what I have right next to me. The same rose. How weird. We both have Beauty and the Beast roses in little glass capsules.

So I've got to admit this is not the same rose. Someone did send us this. And I think it's awesome. I think it's a cool little reminder. Keep it in the office. Why not? A little bit of, you know, great memories, but also some trauma stored in this rose. So to you, even though that's not the rose, is that a symbol of all the roses given out

during your time, or is that the final rose that you gave to Katie? That's the final rose for Katie, of course. Of course. How has your past two years been? I mean, you guys have really, from the outside, seem to be one of the couples

that we're going to have as, you know, for real, for real. Yeah, no, the past two years have been unbelievable. So Kate and I, I mean, right after the show pretty much, We went back to what we knew and what we loved and focused on each other. And we've just been trucking along, moved in together, got our first puppy about five months ago. And we're just living puppy parent lives and, you know, planning our future.

So it's it's been a crazy fast period, but we love it. It's been awesome. Well, it helps that you guys are both living in Texas and both in Austin, right? Yeah, yeah. We actually, turns out we were a few miles away from each other. She had been here for, you know, less than a couple of months. But it is just, it is perfect that she happened to be out here. And then within three months after the show, we're like, hey, let's just move in already. Like, what are we waiting for? So you and Katie had a venue picked. And did you have a date picked at this video? Yeah. You just didn't, you didn't sign. the contract, but you had it all planned, and then you decided not to go through with it. That's drama. That's drama for us. That makes it sound very dramatic. It's the complete opposite. So we had been planning or talking about wanting to plan our wedding, figure out a date,

figure out a venue, what do we like, what we don't like. And so one of our good friends, she happens to be a event planner slash wedding planner and we're like you know well let's just meet with her let's let's talk her through what we're looking for some rough guidelines of you know what we expect and what we'd like to have and you know credit to our wedding planner she she took she took it and started to run with it and started just booking us at all these places and we're like oh wow this is happening really to go see to go see exactly exactly and um we had you know explicitly shared with her, hey, this is, this is our budget for the wedding. Like, what we want to focus on priority number one is getting our house together or getting a

house. And then second is like, a wedding is awesome. But we'll see, like, if it could fit into what makes sense for us. And long story short, our lovely planner is like, hey, with what you guys want to do, it's not going to be possible. And with this venue that you guys do really love. just know you're going to go a lot over your budget. And so Kate and I, just like, we pondered on it for a week and we're like, does not feel good to just go so into this venue.

When we've already established what our priorities are, which is buying a house and not, you know, a down payment for one day, you know. So we backed out of the contract. If not saying we're done with wedding planning, We've actually gone further in other areas, but we're just, we couldn't do that. I don't know. Like, it's so crazy nowadays. Yeah.

Okay. So basically, that was an in-touch headline. Now you guys can see what goes behind the scenes of an in-touch headline. I mean, Zach, very easy question, I think, before we kind of dive into some other topics. Would you marry Katie tomorrow if it was an option? Yes. yes so we are um i don't know if like kids wants me to talk about this but we're we're planning to uh get a loped very soon um so like very soon and then we'll figure out like celebration

and all that like the glitz and the glamour but yes oh we're we're it's not a matter of like when it's it's like the other stuff and like wanting to have all the family from all over come for it Which enters me down this kind of path that I'm super curious about with you. And tell me when I'm wrong. You were The Bachelor. You went through the whole season. It kind of felt like as I was watching your time on the show, this never felt right to you. It almost felt like somebody had forced you to become The Bachelor.

Like it was never like a comfortable, oh, I love this whole experience kind of thing. we get off the show and kind of the truth or how we see who this person actually is is what they do after the show. And you very immediately went further away from the spotlight. Like you didn't try to do any of it. You didn't hardly want to do a media circuit. You just were happy in your relationship and that you found love on the show. Um, and so my question for you is how did they convince you to take this role as the lead? Um, um, um, And how do you view the whole thing now? I mean, you're not that far removed,

but it feels, I guess, from a public's perception that you're very far removed from this whole experience. Yeah. No, so I'll start with how I got into this. So it started with The Bachelorette. So being on The Bachelorette, it had happened from a good buddy of mine who happened to be on Michelle Young's season,

Daniel Tully. He goes on the show. He's there for, you know, a few weeks. I'm about six months out of my last serious relationship, and he's like, hey, man, give this thing a shot. Like, this is unreal. I made a bunch of great buddies. And

like, what a cool experience. And I was at a point in my career where I was like, you know what, I could take a little break from my sales job here. I've kind of felt like I needed something to refresh it. So I tried this bachelorette thing that my mom

and sisters love. You know, I thought it'd be kind of cool to surprise them if I did it. But then I get further in the process and I'm like, okay, this is like kind of cool, unique. And the Bachelorette happens. And obviously it doesn't work out for us.

Then I'm initially asked about would you be interested in being the Bachelor? And I initially was so traumatized from the first experience on the Bachelorette. I was like, I need to take a breather. I need to just like figure out what I just did. This has any and, like, air jet, what's going to happen? And so it was a little bit just of a back and forth of, like, I, like, I already went back to my job at Oracle right after the bachelor out.

Like, it was a week period of when I went home to see my family, and then I was already back in the office, like nothing changed. But after speaking with some of the executive producers, talking with my slice at the time, you know, they did make it sound really appealing. But there was also the other side of it of, yes like we'd like you to give this a shot but then they also do the but we're also considering other people as well and we don't know where this is going to go so i was like okay this is like low risk like it's probably not going to be me anyway so to be completely transparent i don't

know if i i could say this i didn't know i was going to be the bachelor till about an hour before they announced me live on tv so i never really had a full like process of i am going to do this and I am going to be this. It was always like, there's other people that are potentially going to be it. So I'm like, cool. Like, whoever, you know, deserves it or gets it, like, best of luck, that'd be cool if it's me, but if not, no worries. Because I lived through the process and I felt those real feelings and I could see it.

I'm like, oh, it could work for me. But also, I never got that confirmation until literally live on TV of like, no, now you're in this position. So then it was like an, oh, like, what did I sign up for? Like, now it's real. I had no time to process. at all. So then, yeah, yeah, that's how I got to that point of being in it. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app,

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radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. If you could go back, you don't have to tell us, you don't have to tell us what actually happened. Because I know everybody's always talked about you and Rachel and what happened in the Fantasy Suite, and you're like, oh, that's anticlimactic, blah, blah, blah. We just didn't agree. We just, we're not compatible. And I totally can see how that happens in the Fantasy Suite and how, like, it's

actually was probably anti-comatic but anyway what i want to ask about is from your season if there's one storyline that did not appear on tv the way it really unfolded what was it oh my god from our season is there anything that like you like stay awake and you're like oh that was so frustrating or not anymore you know maybe you can't sleep now but like right after the fact you were like oh man i can't believe that america thinks it happened like that i mean there's a lot When I, like, look back at, I'm like, oh, my God, how did I get in that position? Why did I do or say that? But one that was maybe misconstrued was, I mean, it's just like a little, like, it's a little tiny part in it,

but it always kind of like gets brought up sometimes in, like, real life or or whatnot. It was like, during like the COVID point, when, when I had COVID and there was like a situation where, like, Greer and I are talking. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, I get lambasted as like, oh, this guy's in asshole. She's just trying to relate. And I, like, completely look back. And I'm like, yeah, I know if I was a D or I'd be like, yeah, that guy, that guy did not handle that well. Like, why was that there's, they didn't show everything.

And what I could like, rare, she's great. I'm happy. I hope she's doing whatever she's doing, wherever she's living, like, nothing but the best. I think Kate and her are still friends. but that is not where not truly how things went down like if you were there you know it was like there was nothing

there was no bad intent from me and there was no bad intent for her it was just like bad timing and we both misread the situation and it was like a good moment for good TV so awkward it was so awkward and plus I'm like yeah I'm like

try not to cough out along I'm sick and she later gets sick about like less than a week later so it was just pure chaos the panic that was going on when we're trying to figure out how we're going to do a ceremony virtually I wanted to cancel it

but we can't we got our deadlines and it was it was bad yeah it was definitely it was definitely lumpy like it had like it's like weird moments and I remember watching the season

and the moment with Greer like you kind of gone on this like oh this is work this is a nice guy and he has some incredible women right like we can name a lot of the women from Katie to Gabby to to Ariel to Greer like you had some standouts

and we're like this is going to be good and I remember that Greer moment felt like from an audience perspective or from when we were breaking down on the famous podcast like it felt like your season all of a sudden didn't go downhill as a season but it went downhill for you as a lead like it kind of

it felt like chaos kind of then started swirling around you as the lead which made great TV probably didn't feel good for you I mean like that's one thing that I had to adjust to and you don't feel it in the moment

you don't feel like it's like a spiral in the moment or a downhill feeling you're like okay these are as the weeks go on more decisions have to be made tougher decisions have to be made on both parties So, like, we all know it's going to get harder as it gets closer to the end. But then, like, yeah, watching it, I could see that that would be a part where you're like,

oh, this is the start of the typical Bachelor drama that's going to happen. Like, it's going to happen. But, yeah, no, it's just like, as you both know, like, there's, you know, 16 to 20 hours of filming a day and they advance it for like a nice hour and a half episode. There is so much that it's missed. Yeah. there is there is but yes you're right it did hit a little bit of a chaotic point i don't remember actually might i don't remember the context for this really long quote uh but back in the day

uh nick vile did come out and call you and i don't know if he's done this with any other bachelor but for whatever reason the context again i forget he called you a total dick uh was his quote do you remember the context for that? How did you respond to that? How does that make you feel? Because I don't remember what would have been done other than the final week when you did say that you were going to be celibate.

Obviously, that became a storyline because it didn't happen. I'm guessing that's when this quote came out. Yeah, I think it's funny, first off to hear it coming from Nick Bye Out that could call someone else to dick. Like, that's comedic to me. But I don't know.

don't know. I think I rubbed just a lot of people the wrong way. I know I rubbed you, Ashley, the wrong way when we first met, I think. Oh, really? Tell us more. What happened? We had like a podcast, like a, I think it was the same type of podcast or maybe it was just you and I, Ashley. No, I remember there was a moment. Because like, I think you were, I was, I was in the depth of the, oh, this is like the boring bachelor, this guy's robot, like, who is he? And I think, like you Ashley were like reading like quotes like that like kept being like yeah are you going to be boring like is this like and it was just kind of like I perceived it as like condescending and we had like a weird energy at first and I was like oh this Ashley girl like she's not she's not liking me like

okay I got you I remember when I met you in real life I was like oh this guy's like so different than what I thought we had a whole car ride in Santa Barbara for like three hours to go to the airport and this That has to be so awkward. That had to be so awkward. No, it wasn't because we'd already like hung out earlier in the week. I would have loved to be sitting in the back seat. Like, this is awesome. But I was going off of it from like a fan's point of view because Ben and I have been like

so removed from the show and because of like the COVID reasons at that time. Like we hadn't really met a lot of people in real life. So we started watching the show and talking about it like TV. You know, we're like we're just people commenting on what we see. Totally. And then I get that. And then for me, it was still such a fresh. feeling of like oh wow like hearing negative perspectives on me like it was the first time i've

ever been in the public light and it's like it's a lot to take in at first now i'm i'm so far removed or used to it or whatnot but no i it like with the nick by al thing which yeah i don't know he's largely known to critique um i don't know i think it just leads into the i was not what maybe a lot of viewers wanted to see because like I was very like I had it one goal and it was to find my partner yeah there's crazy stuff that happened and things I did completely wrong things I mismanaged but I mean I'd love to see someone perfect do it absolutely perfect without any little hinges shout out to Joey because he pretty much did that okay Joey was one of the perfect bachelors yeah I will say that Zach you may

You may have been truly the Bachelor that was there for the most good reasons. You were there for the most right reasons. Even Ben, like, you know, Ben, I feel like you like you liked the spotlight more than Zach did. Definitely. No, I definitely like the spotlight more than Zach did. Yeah. I still talk about the show for a living. Yes.

I very much, very much owned the Bachelor role more than Zack did. Zach did. All right, Zach, would you consider your biggest mistake during your experience to be the way that you laid out that you weren't going to sleep with anybody before the fantasy suites?

Yeah, oh, absolutely. Well, a lot of the reasoning behind, like, how I got to that point was, like, a factor of wanting to people, please, meaning not wanting to hurt anyone in this, like,

really pivotal part of this season, like right up to the engagement where, you know, there's, you know, it's the three overnights, the three fantasies like that's, and then right next door is engagement and wanting to keep everyone happy and not trying to muddy the waters and, you know, talking to my good friend, Sean Lowe and listening to, hey, Sean, how did you do this? Like, you're happily married with beautiful family. How did you crack the coat? Because everything I've ever seen is like a lot of messy relationships and they never end up working. How do I be different?

He's like, I want this to work. He talked to me through on, you know, how he viewed the final weeks. And I was like, oh my God, like that is that's a smart reason. Now, what I didn't inquire or ask more about was like the reasoning behind it and for him it was religious purposes. That's why. I was just doing it

on the fact of like, I think you know, put on my, you know, got on my high horse. I think everyone will appreciate this We, you know, don't muddy the waters and we just, like, just keep going the best way we can. And what I didn't take into account was, what do the women want? Like, it's also them at the end of the day of, like, what do they want to, or what do they want or need to go further in this process? And I kind of just made a blanket statement. And said, no, let's just keep this messy.

that that's where I completely went wrong. I did not leave it up for it to be like a conversation of discussion. I was I had the intention of not wanting to hurt anyone, but in reality it ended up hurting more. So yes, to answer

your question in a long-winded fashion, yeah, yeah, I would totally change that. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.

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Hi, I'm Janica Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort.

It happens in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcumper podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Zach, obviously life now, as we've talked about at the beginning of the show, is very much on a trajectory of relatability or normalcy or whatever kind of one you want to call it. Um, your fiance, um, has been amazing, I think. It's, it's admirable. It's cool. It's, it's, it's really special because you don't see it very often at keeping close friendships with others from your season. How does that feel to you? Do you then keep close relationships? Has it

ever gotten awkward? We're talking about Gabby. We're talking about Katie's friendship with Gabby and others. Yeah. I mean, you see her out on girls trips with others. Oh yeah. Yeah, they're actually planning another one um they're actually like i think book did it i think they're going um montana or something in a few months so like they are still very close uh in the beginning initially i felt a little like oh this is kind of crazy like nerve-wracking but like kudos to you kate like for keeping your friendship and and and with everyone like i'm so happy for you like that's awesome you are all mature and can handle that like i'm more nervous and it was funny we actually um I think it was early last year, I had been planning a buddy's trip, a couple guys from college.

And Kate thought I was leaving on a Thursday to a Sunday. And so she's like, oh, I'm going to have some of the Bachelor girls stay at her house and stay in Austin. I was like, okay, great, have fun. Well, she got the dates mixed up. I actually left on Friday, and she invited everyone to come in on Thursday. And so we all spent the night under one roof watching movies. was like five of the girls from the show and we're like making hot chocolate. We're having this complete like just relaxing night.

Yeah, it was a girl's night, totally fun. But we were thinking like, wait, a lot of people that are like super die hard about this show would lose their mind that we're all hanging out right now. We didn't let anyone know. It was like everybody. But and then after that I was like, oh, no, like it's totally cool. It's normal. And then I've seen them since like I'll still see charity and

gotten and see ariel i'll see you know gabby'll come by like it's it's it's casual and normal not as weird anymore yeah you and katie i'm going to crown as the most mature characters on the show oh i'll take that thank you actually we've come like full circle from since we've met so i know so much so much respect it feels it feels like things are really good Zach, in your world post-batchelor time, I still will say, no matter what anybody wants to argue with me, one of the most iconic scenes of any season ever is you and Katie sitting in the rain in the middle of a jungle where it looks like it should be full of snakes and everything else having a very intense conversation. And all I can think about the whole time was, can the show

not get these people a room? Like, can they just not sit down and have this conversation in a place that doesn't look miserable. It was something that will always stand out to me. Zach, continue best success. Good luck in the relationship and moving forward then with the elopement that you said will happen soon. Tell Katie that we wish her our best and continue to do great things. Until next time, I've been Ben.

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