The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Bachelor Countdown Day 5: Chris Soules

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

If Ashley had her way, to this day, Chris Soules would've taken her to his hometown! He's here to re-rank his top 4 women while revealing the real reason he decided to get sober and take a step-back from finding the love of his life. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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way back when to more recently and today we have a fan favorite somebody who is beloved by both myself and ashley and the almost famous listener is somebody that's always a great interview chris soles welcome to the podcast thank you guys for having me i'm just uh you know sitting here with my goosebumps hearing your lovely voice ben you are such a sweetheart and such nice things so thank you for having me we get so excited to have you on because it's so much fun and so giggly I don't know why it's so giggling. Maybe it's just because, you know, 10 years ago, like you and I, I sat on your lap on a tractor. Yeah, you did.

You guys kissed, right? Yes. Oh, yeah. Okay. So, we talked to you a couple months ago about Whitney and that whole thing. We did a lot of the behind the scenes of your dates and your choice. Your choice. Okay.

Your final. your final decision so we won't talk about that so much guys if you do want to hear that you missed out on it go back i think it wasn't like october or something yeah i love this question by the way chris we prep for this question that ashley's about to ask you i want you to take it serious though i really if you need to like just be silent for a few minutes totally fine that's great suspenseful silence and i don't expect to like move up in my ranks but the question do you is if you had to re-rank your season

and re-order the girls not the whole season but like let's think about your like top eight just so Ashley's fits into that guy you know just randomly eight where do people lie we can start with number one

who would be your number one yeah and let's be really honest about this one yeah it's not me. You know, it's so hard to look back at that. It's a very tough question. Because it's, you know, and now it's, the whole thing is, was such a incredible experience

just in general and almost seems surreal looking back. Because you guys were also freaking great. That's really true. And you've all gone on to do things that, you know, were meant to be for yourselves after the show and just, you know, I don't know. I don't know that they can. silence don't worry you have all the silence you need i do we're not recording me thinking pondering it's a little bit of a tough question actually honestly to ask the top eight because if you ask me

my top eight i wouldn't remember you remember okay okay fine okay so if you're top four if you're to redo your top four in orders and you could put me into top four i would i would believe that at this point being that you know me top four in coolness or top four in depth of like had ability and it's okay if i'm not in there it's fine but you could it's you might as well just do it because no no no no no all right i'm going to lay this out easily for you okay so we had a whitney becca then we had kately and then jade those are your top four would you reorder any of your top four it's okay we'll give you answer number one you would have wanted to pick beka you know what would that have been right for either of us you know no you wouldn't eventually

it up together, no. If the outcome was just completely, like, knowing that it probably wasn't going to work anyway, you know, because my feelings were intense and, like, I really was trying to make the pragmatic decision, you know, and trying to really find somebody that I thought it could work with. It's not just like, of course, I mean, there was a top eight that could have worked with or there was a chance. So I was super pragmatic towards the end. Like, I'm really serious about who I'm picking. It's not just like I could see myself being with a lot of the top eight actually, you know, but my unique position being on the farm like was put a different type of spin on everything. So was it was there a chance that was going to work with that with the top

four, you know, I could go right down on the list and tell you the specifics why I thought maybe it may not work with just because of my, you know, the farming thing. But, um, Would I really truly reorder anything? I mean, Ashley, just as a person, you know, of course you'd be in the top four.

Oh, thanks. You know, did I think that it was like, there was a future for you in Arlington and me? I just felt, you know, had to be realistic there.

You know, Caitlin was spectacular. Jade, I probably would. Jade makes sense. She made the time. She made the time. In every way.

She was, she was uh it was just too many i had a i had too many great people you did i did so you had an amazing season of the cast i mean we could go down like with the carlies and like we could keep going and name so many people who uh have shown to be incredible humans outside of the show but also on the show caused for incredible experiences ashley being one of those to prove both ways great on the show and great off the show oh thanks guys okay we don't have to butter me up but I do. She just needed it, Chris.

She's been waiting for that for 10 years. No, I know that. I know. I know all about how much Chris loves me. Okay, so. You were clearly a top four, Ashley. We just knew you weren't cut out for the farm. We just couldn't.

Oh, that's funny. No. No. You know? Chris didn't get to know my personality well until after the show at all. We, we really don't feel like I knew you at all leaving the show, but have gotten to know you so well over 10 years and very glad that we could be friends. I want to know one thing about Kelsey

because I get asked about Kelsey mostly via Instagram like whatever I post like a throwback of our season people are like was Kelsey as crazy as she seems and I always say she was more crazy so what's your take your memories of Kelsey

I mean it's hard to know because I was I knew her you know I knew all of you less than you guys knew each other you know I had what you see from my, you know, you know this Ashley and Ben, obviously, you know, firsthand that just the amount of interaction I was able to have, I took a lot of my hints from you guys getting to know you, a lot of cases between, between talking to you guys somewhat off

camera and we're on camera at some point about at Kelsey. And, but I, you know, when I showed up to the Rose ceremony and the panic attack and then, you know, the kiss thing and the, when she tried, you know, there were some things that just were some real red flags. So I didn't necessarily see that, have a strong feeling of genuineness, I would say. Crazy? I don't know because I just didn't know her that well, be honest, but just didn't, a lot of things didn't add up. And so I was just kind of in this position of like, oh, way too many question marks here. So, and you guys saw probably that, and you saw much more of her than I did. So I was just feeling like this was a little bit of a, just felt a little uncertain.

Yeah, to be honest, she didn't show you much crazy. Right. It was. She really didn't. There was a big facade there. I felt that she had, had between what she was in front of me and what she was in front of you guys. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating.

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former believers, and experts to understand why people get pulled in and how they get out. Trust me, new episodes every Wednesday on exactly right. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Ben, do your serious stuff now. He's laughing at me.

I'm laughing at Ashley, because this is stuff She would just love to sit down for like four hours and not even have a record it and just be like, all right, Chris, what was happening here? I would love to do that with you, Ashley. I would, that's on my bucket list. Oh my God, special series. It would be wild. Chris, I do want to get into some current life stuff. Start, we always ask you.

And today I have a different approach as a friend. And again, somebody that loves you and thinks so highly of you. But I have a different approach. so i'm going to start with this question uh dating now for you chrysoles uh we are breaking down the bachelor we're talking about relationships uh obviously a question always comes up is chris single or not and uh i would love to get an answer to it yeah yeah i'm still single um haven't really been dating too seriously but uh you know yeah still single still working on numero no for a little bit here and uh yeah still wanting to date still wanting to find love and

all of those things so uh but yeah kind of in that season of my life where uh been through a lot of stuff you know so just um trying to uh get myself in a good position to just to still find somebody you're working on yourself right now uh which is always an incredible thing to do especially when it comes from a genuine place. And if there's one thing I know about you, there's an immense amount of genuineness and authenticity to when you say something like that. What does it mean for you right now to be working on yourself? Yeah. You know, just trying to, you know, improve my health, first of all, you know, just sort of getting back to a discipline on, you know, getting in the gym, doing cold punches and things like that, you know, that's a popular thing these days

and Sana, things like that. And just really, my parents have, have, you know, fully retired and I've taken over their portion of the business and bought them out. So I've moved on with some things professionally there that have been huge for me, just time commitments. And, you know, then health-wise, just I actually quit drinking in August and plan to continue to do so for the foreseeable future, which is a big deal for me. me. So we've kind of been embracing that. And, you know, hopefully that'll make a lot of things

better in my life. So I have so many questions for you. One, and I just, I feel like I want to spit them all out at you right now, but I'm going to slow myself down. We'll start with, I guess, the choice to not drink. Obviously, it's dry January. Everybody's a lot of people, I guess, are like doing it this month. What have you seen the benefits be in your own personal life since you've been sober since August that maybe were expected or unexpected? I think, I mean, obviously just the level of self-made anxiety and stress, you know, internally. I deal with a lot of stuff to begin with, just with work and having, as being an entrepreneur and agriculture it's a i mean that's just uh it's something i i embrace but also alcohol does not make

it easier it makes it tougher so mentally i'm just much more clear-headed uh and it's pretty astounding i think it's the longest i've went without drinking since i was a kid a little kid uh which is scary to me but um yeah just i mean mentally the clarity that that uh that you get from that and starting to work on other things that you know just meditation and things like that to start to, you know, as you're getting to be an old man now, you get the next, you know, four years of my life ahead of me. So trying to really hopefully embrace that and, you know, it allows me to be a better person to the people that I love, you know, and more, more there, you know, more present, which is huge, you know, with my family and, and friends and,

and starting to, you know, start to uncloud my whole well-being and, you know, then being able to focus on, you know, you feel like going to the gym instead of, you know, kind of being a struggle and just recovering every so often from, you know, alcohol is just not really healthy for you. The more you learn about it is just not good for you. And it's just a way to laugh for me for so long. So to start to change that is a, it's a huge, you know, it's a sense of like accomplishment, too, to be able to do that. It gives you a strong sense of, I don't know, just feeling of, you know, I don't know, it makes you, anytime you accomplish something like that that's not, it's just very tough that it makes you better at

everything, you know, makes you want to go out and do more and whether it's building better relationships with friends and family or do better in work in my career in agriculture and just makes every life a little bit better. recommend it to anyone yeah you're something to be proud of um something that you should be extremely proud of i mean not you know i'm not sitting here being like hey everybody needs to go sober but the one the people that i do know who have made that decision and done it you know since august goodness what an accomplishment uh i have met no i haven't met one person that's like uh i regret that decision to go so you know to stop drinking um i've been

I'm not one person yet, and I know many right now that have done that for, you know, a multiple array of reasons. Chris, just congrats, man. There's very, I want to say this to you, because you and I spoke on a show or personally, and maybe I'm sharing too much, and growing up in Indiana myself, being an ag, drinking just becomes more of like a cultural thing, right? you're you're just doing it throughout the day it doesn't really mean a cocktail at night by the fire it's like no this is just what we do in the Midwest it's it's what it's our world as we we drink and we do what we have to do um i i want to say it's incredibly courageous it also just proves to me once again how strong you are uh personally to be able to stop in the midst of

what is a very normal thing i'm sure your area of the country yeah well thank you ben as always your kind words always but i've no it is the hardest thing i've ever done i think and um i mean there's it's a non-stop it's cultural i mean it's really a deep cultural thing in the midwest especially in agriculture i mean i can remember i was i drank long before i could drive you know before i license or you know beer was a very very much a staple and it was just a common. It was not much to do, you know, in the country. And stress is huge. Mental health is, is, I watch a lot of friends. I've had friends my age commit suicide, very, you know, I know many friends at farm and have committed suicide. I know they had problems

with drinking and, you know, you're, you know, in the middle of winter like it is right now, zero degrees out right now, or barely above zero. And you're living with stress. I mean, people are going through a lot of financial straits right now with with agriculture being very tough and uh this is like you know depression city um in a lot of ways and and the only way to a lot of people cope is alcohol and that's a cheap form of of stress relief and so it's it's something that uh i've seen a lot of people struggle with i mean i have myself obviously and not obviously but i have you know and and um so it's it's something that that exists in a big way and uh it doesn't get But it's not something that a lot of people know about.

We're kind of still in the flyover state. So, and you get it too, Ben. But, yeah, so it's kind of just made my mind up. It's like enough is enough. And hopefully I can help people out there that they're seeking to do the same. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. And now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam.

Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.

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shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union, shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt when it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it may get even worse.

For more judgment-free money advice, listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I don't know if you want to share. It's very obvious to us when we got on here. You've lost a lot of weight, dude. I mean, you look good. I know. I'm sorry the way that I was like, why are you so skinny? That's like the most Ashley way of saying it. Do you look great?

It's very empathetic. Like, it comes from the most beautiful place in Ashley's heart. It's like, Chris, you're skinny. Something's happening. It's like in my, it's like an Italian grandma. Exactly. That's where I come from, a Jewish Italian family. So it's like, I'm sorry if I have no filter.

Yeah. But, Chris, how much weight have you lost? I mean, I don't really know. Probably at least 10. goodness yeah yeah oh yeah i mean my average i don't weigh myself very often but i could tell i'm on the skinny as i've been since high school so yeah you're looking good man you're looking great i'll keep working on i just you know can't eat enough i've been really you know yoga i've been really getting into yoga ben yeah um you should i'd like to i do it every morning

do you really yeah it's like well four four days a week i guess i shouldn't say every morning four days a week I like it I can touch my toes you should see it's pretty awesome wow you guys want to like give like a lifestyle uh like class to Jared or something you want to get into this wellness uh do you mind chris if we ask what was there a certain thing that inspired you to go sober over the summer or was it just like a general thing that you were thinking of for a while uh you know I don't think I can put a finger on anything I just it's a great question. I think that I have a lot of responsibility in life.

And in general, I've, you know, it's just getting to a point where the hangovers aren't getting any easier. It became more of not necessarily doing it as much for fun, as much as you're doing it is something to cover up just stress in general. And I felt like I'm at a point in my life where I'm still single and still want to, I want a family and I still have a farming business that I care about tremendously and want to see see it through to, you know, to build on. And there's just nothing good that was coming from me from drinking. And so I feel like it. And from a health perspective, I wanted to want to be the

best that I can be. And as I get older, that's getting harder, you know. So continuing to poison myself, you know, wasn't helping that process. So figure, you know, this is time. to um and alcohol is not always worked for me you know so have you gone on a sober date yet that's the one thing i have not done i have not done that yet i've done a lot of things like um yeah being around friends that have you know all my friends like to drink a ton you know that's you know so that but i have not gone on a sober date yet officially the uh i wrote about the book it was the first time i really like it came out publicly but i had a you know opioid addiction um didn't really realize it was until maybe post and it was it was a

numbing practice for me uh i realized how much i was numbing things right you get off of it um you get some clarity of mind and you're like how did i live life for so long numbing all these things or getting more anxious about things maybe that I now with a clear head don't have to be as anxious about. I can process them, work through them. So that's why, you know, when we talk about this, Chris, I'm like, it's never a bad decision. As soon as the light bulb goes off, some will never choose to make the decision to correct course. But as soon as that light bulb goes off and you're like, this might be something I want to stop. It's incredibly courageous to stop. And I just think it should be celebrated. Well, in our closing moments with you here, because we only have a few,

we've talked about the reordering of picks. Ashley made the top four. We didn't get any other clarity on that. But that was a big deal. That was a huge deal for Ashley. She cannot wait to tell Jared. I didn't make the top four. It's okay. You know, she did. He said you would have been there. She's going to run downstairs and see. I can just see it now. Jared, guess what Chris told me. actually it's top four for sure yeah uh Chris we've talked about your career we've talked about all these things and what are you looking forward to now in this new kind of season of life as you take over the business as you're still in Iowa um obviously you said romance is something you still desire uh but my what i was going to do on this show is tell you like hey if that's

really something you desire like you got to go do it man like this this excuse of where you live maybe is only going to work for so long. So what does life look like moving forward? You know, that's a good question. I mean, I think the same thing is just sort of getting back to, you know, focusing on my career. And, you know, I think that person's out there. You know, I think when I'm at my best, that's when I'll find that person, right?

So, you know, making sure my side of the streets clean. So somebody that, when I do find somebody, that I'm ready with an open heart and proud of myself, you know, being able to to be that person that they are looking for. So I just, that is, you know, I'm, I'm, yeah, I feel like farming and just doing what I'm passionate about there, it's, here and I was, still feeds my soul. So now I'm just finding a partner to go along with it. And, And yeah, I don't know that hopefully the future's got a lot of surprises in it for me, but farming is pretty much where it's going to be.

And, but yeah, going after, like you said, being a little more proactive, I think, here in the next few years to start to get something done, Ben. Yeah. So we still have to find a girl that will move to Iowa for you. So if we want to do any setups, that's still number one, right? It's always been, you know, yeah, yeah, but it's, I mean, I think that in Iowa in another place are super achievable, you know, having a balance there is very much real. We have to look for some girls in Des Moines. I mean, trust me, as soon as Chris starts looking, it's not going to take long.

The guy's gorgeous. He's kind. He's consider it. He has his own business. No, nobody's worried for you. No. It's just like a thing. It's like a thing of like, well, when are you going to start? Man, it's zero degrees outside. I don't know. Go out there and find somebody to snuggle with. It helps keep you warm. Chris, it's always a pleasure. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for joining us on the countdown to The Bachelor. Are you watching the show at all anymore? I will tune in. I'm not like an avid, avid watcher. I just, uh, need to get better at that. Yeah. Well, uh, grand season will be premiering January 27th if you

want to catch it. Maybe I'll try to tune in for this one. Yeah, it'll be worth it. New season. Uh, until next time, I've been Ben. Bye, guys. I've been Ashley. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcasts on IHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Let's start with a quick puzzle. The answer is Ken Jennings' appearance on The Puzzler with A.J. Jacobs. The question is, what is the most entertaining listening experience in podcast land? Jeopardy-truthers believe in... I guess they would be conspiracy theorists.

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