The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Bachelor Girl's Night with Rachel Recchia, Michelle Young and Caelynn Miller-Keyes

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

Ashley is having the ultimate Bachelor Nation girls night in Pebble Beach and Rachel Recchia, Michelle Young and Caelynn Miller-Keyes are hanging out and telling all! Things get heated because Clayton is hanging around too! You have to listen to find out what went down when he watched the sunset with 2 of his exes! Find out who is more likely to get back with Clayton: Michelle or Rachel. And, we get the real answers behind the viral Tik Tok of Rachel and Clayton. Plus, find out some shocking secrets about Caelynn’s upcoming wedding to Dean!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcasts with IHeart Radio. Hello all. Welcome to a Midweek, Almost Famous Podcast. It's going to be a Girl Talk podcast because I got Michelle Young and Rachel. I'm going to say your last name right. Rechia. She's right. Yay. We also have Kailen.

soon to be Belle, Kaelin Bell, coming on the podcast. So it'll be all of us, but Kailen's going to enter in a little bit because you know what? She's watching the sunset with her fiance, which is so cute. God, never felt so single. We watched the sunset together.

You guys actually watched the sunset tonight with your ex, your mutual ex. We did. Yeah. And he took a video of us, a really good video. So, you know, at least we have that. You know, Rachel, is it weird that you are just hanging out this week with somebody that you said, I love you to? And he said, I love you back. I don't know.

Like, going into this weekend, I think I had no idea what to expect. I think we knew we were going to kind of be civil. But we were able to, like, really actually have good conversation and talk everything through as adults and having both been through our own seasons. It's been really nice to see him as, like, a friend now. and Michelle's been there to watch it I know I've been by I've been by myself this weekend I know

wait so recently and I finally got my I finally got my bestie back because they talked through everything that they need to talk about which they did need to talk and now I know she's back so if somebody

amongst the two of you were to get we're to get back with Clay I'm taking myself out of the question before you finish is it more likely to be Rachel yeah hell yeah I mean, I don't... She's giggling, roll the footage.

My name is out of the question. I'm not even in the running. I don't even know if Michelle knew who Clayton was on her season, if we're being honest. I'm not going to lie. Clayton and I joke about this, and he knew that I was going to talk about this or mentioned this. But, like, when you go through the show, you do. Like, some people fall behind. And Clayton and I really didn't know too much about.

And I was not very chipper at that point in Minnesota with going. on a date with him. I was really, really tired. You were tired. And you were like, I'm not interested. And I wanted to send him home much earlier through the date than I was allowed. Oh, okay, okay. And he knows this now.

Why do you think that they wanted him to be the bachelor? Did you find it to be a weird choice when he was announced? Honestly, I feel like I was still very much enjoying at that time just like the relationship that I was in. And so I was happy for him But I didn't know much about him And it kind of always gets pinned on And it's like timing, right?

Because like a season, the rollover of the seasons Come so fast. And so they're like, well, Michelle, everyone else was in Mexico So even if, yeah, yeah. So I don't know. It all works out how it works out. But yeah. So yeah, she was a little surprised.

I just, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was a contest in that season. I was surprised. Like, we were, like, going into it originally, that was never who we, not that we, like, thought anything, but, you know, there were the obvious front runners. Like, Katie's season. Michelle's season hadn't even aired yet. Yeah.

So when we got the announcement, we didn't even see Michelle's night one. So that was us all meeting him for the first time, too. And it's just, like, I think people who watch The Bachelor know that it's typically one of, like, somebody in the top four or just. somebody who makes it further along unless they like pull another like Matt James situation where they just like pull you out of the casting and make you the next bachelor. That didn't really work out for a lot of people. That doesn't really happen very often. Yeah. So yeah. Okay. You can never, you can never really fully predict anything in this franchise. Well, I'm glad that you guys are all cool with Clayton and that you can hang out as exes together. Now, Rachel, we had one of your exes maybe

I guess you and Zach, would you consider yourself being more serious with Clayton or being more serious with Zach? Just from my viewing point of view, I would imagine it was Clayton since you exchanged I love you. I would say Clayton, yeah. I mean, not only that, but he met my family. I met his family, vice versa. Whereas Zach, I only met his family. And I never did get to that point with him. So yeah, I would say probably Clayton so I would say it's intense feelings for different reasons oh really okay so what's the intense feeling for Zach then I think me and Zach had a really great relationship in the beginning he was someone where he really made me realize this process does work because it's very hard in the beginning and I remember thinking like maybe my person just isn't here like I don't

know and he really changed that for me so I think that was Zach's really big role on journey season in that way. But then feelings for other people, I think, did start kind of surpassing him a little bit. So when he was on the podcast, he seemed to still be a little spicy towards whatever happened in the fantasy suite with you. How did you react to that? Did you hear it? It has he said that in multiple places? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I'm actually shocked at kind of the things I have heard, not only what I heard on your podcast and mainly that, But even when I heard night one, all this talk about, I want someone who's authentic on and off camera as if me choosing or feeling stronger feelings for other people somehow

made me not authentic or if us not aligning on certain important views makes him wrong. It's just really honestly shocking to hear him still kind of paint me in this like really negative light where I thought at our after the final rose we kind of did make up. a lot of fans speculate that you had like you found out some huge lifestyle difference or political difference in the fantasy suite is that true at all i mean i think we definitely talked about what a life would look like how we would raise kids and i think those conversations do come up i mean michel you know you start asking those really important questions off camera and we i mean there were things we didn't align with and i'm not saying that me and tino and me and even

aligned on everything, but our views, I think, the way we wanted to raise families and the way we wanted to live life, just aligned better, if that makes sense. When we interviewed Zach about two weeks ago, I heard some fan feedback that was definitely siding with you being like, of course she asked tough questions. Of course it's going to feel like an interview in there, because there's so much you guys having covered before you're supposed to get into an engagement situation. So what's your response to that? I mean, I think absolutely if you are going into the fantasy suite and you are not asking those hard questions, then what are you even doing? This is an engagement and this is serious and we've talked about it. I think maybe with Zach's situation, it felt maybe more like an interview

because we had these amazing dates. Yes. And then behind camera, I think we both just realized these amazing dates we were on, maybe like that's where it was coming from. And then when it comes down to it. Do we really align? Like, can we really see this life? And I thought we were both on the same page of like, maybe we're not. Like, maybe this isn't kind of going to work. And I mean, did we say that out loud? No, because I think Zach did deserve every single second he got off camera because we did have an incredible relationship. And I did want to give him that time. It really didn't matter what I was feeling before that. But yeah, it kind of solidified it for me. I think from like also like just even like a friend perspective and yeah it's an outside perspective and it's like a biased one right but like

when you go into fantasy suites you do ask questions that you typically you're you're you're on this romantic date you you you do your everything's lovey-dovey but in relationship everything's not always lovey-dovey like you have to talk about finances that's a hard conversation you have to talk about did you actually ask the guys in your fantasy suites about their credit score please say yes i don't No, not me. Because I think I heard this in the previous podcast? No, not me personally. Not me personally.

But like we have, I've talked with like previous bachelorettes with just how in depth they get. Okay. We're talking about somebody. That sounds like a break of a coo for a moment. Very much so is. Yes. And honestly, rightfully so, you talk about politics. You talk about all these other things and kind of like the not as cute side of relationships.

Exactly. You're going into an engagement. You're really trying to figure out how to spend the rest of your life with each other and everybody really prioritizes and like romanticizes vulnerability sometimes vulnerability is not crying and opening up your heart sometimes vulnerability is really being like hey look like these things are really important to me and i think with my issue with what has kind of how it's been presented forward is the fact that it's okay that two people don't align with politics with yeah you know we saw that in tasha's tisha season with with everything kind of moving with her

an I event, right? People are not going to always line up on politics, on religion, and all these different things. But just because you don't like how somebody aligns, doesn't make them a fraud and doesn't, you don't, moving forward and using your platform and the current spotlight to imply that they're a fraud, that they're not realistic, that they're not, it's like, no, we had to really break down, like you guys really had to break down and talk about those things. And it goes both ways. And so I think on from an outside, perspective, I've had just like an issue with just like what's being implied, right? It's like as a character deficit when in reality, it's like in unalignment. Yeah. That's a great point. Rachel, do you feel like there's a specific thing that Zach has said? Like if you had to like say it in a sentence or two that he keeps repeating, that is particularly bothersome.

I mean, I think for me it's just mainly him saying that I'm a different person off camera, that I'm inauthentic that this was acting. I mean, it very obviously wasn't. People watched me time after time send people home on the spot when I knew it wasn't right. And I genuinely cared about Zach so much that I wanted to give him this time. And I wanted to see if we can align. And like Michelle said, these dates are fun and they're cute and you're the bachelorette and you're having fun. And when you get behind closed doors, you're like, okay, let's honestly have a conversation. And so because it didn't go his way, the fact that, I mean, even after, or an apology, it's still being painted like this.

It just really is so hurtful. So that's kind of my main issue. And it's just frustrating, like, it's not even a female perspective, right? But, like, it is frustrating. People walk into fantasy suites expecting intimacy a lot of times. And it's presented that way a lot of times. And, like, just, like, you can't walk in and just expect, like, okay, a physical, you know,

like physical contact has to take place or should take place or like all these different things. Like I think that's an expectation that I definitely saw even to when when people are just walking into these situations and it's like, no. Just because you made it to this point doesn't mean you're granted anything

access to to anything. And like, yeah. Well, because we truly use the fantasy suites for like, would you like to say anything? She said it. I think that's, I think that says it all right there. Shit, I'll say it.

No, it makes, it makes it wonder because we do truly use the fantasy sweets more, I think, than for anything, intimate conversation. Exactly. Should we have some other portion of the show that is,

you know, it becomes a normal part of the process where it's like, and this is the room in which we talk about serious things that we don't feel comfortable talking on TV and there's no sexual expectations? And there's, are there no cameras? And like that's the thing. That's the thing. Should we?

Should we be showing these conversations more? Or should we have the lead and like their first couple top picks? Yes. Be able to have a place where they can have these conversations off camera. I think that is fantasy sweets though. I don't think it should be able to rip off like the sex part of it? No, because then that means when you go to the fantasy sweets, then that is the sex part of it. It's the only sex part of it, right?

That's uncomfortable. It's like you as a couple in life have to decide. what you're prioritizing like do you like all like some people valence some people really want to seek out the physical intimacy which is that's not a wrong thing and that's what they go for but it's like how you use your time like that's how we you know present it and having having political conversations on TV you just don't want to do it good luck religious conversations how do you want to raise kids like you you guys know you really that is the time where you have to do it and like going off of what you said too I think I mean it would be amazing if you could have that full night and then maybe have one conversation off camera before an engagement because I think that was something I could have benefited from just in my Avan situation where if maybe we were off camera for 10 minutes, I think he could have maybe gotten across to me a little bit more. Like just looking back to things like that, I don't know. I think it could have been helpful. It's definitely one of the hugest reasons as to why I think Paradise couples are more

successful is because we really don't have to seek out that private time. You're, you have it. There's rooms that you can go into and the camera's not going to follow you so intensely. And you have multiple, like, you can, like, make your own fantasy suite. You can have those conversations and they probably won't get aired. Yeah, it's like, I think that it's almost, I'm curious, like, when moving forward, if it will ever, if the show will ever become less restrictive. Because there is this, you hear people, like, sneaking out of their, you know, even, like, mid-filming or whatever, sneaking out of their. sneaking out of their rooms to go see the other person or just just different things happening and it's like it'd be so I'd be so curious if they would start to allow those conversations to take

place because at the end so it's not so much of a gamble like you do you want this beautiful love story that you've been amping up this entire time and it's this balance of drama and excitement of we don't know what's going to happen and she's going to she's torn between two people or he's torn between two people and then they choose one and then it's like it's still truly like a gamble because it's like you're not allowed that extra time. So it's like why why not compromise a little bit more so then we can have more successful relationships? And like support those shit.

Yeah. How much time do we have and support the successful relationships, you know? Like yeah, help them flourish. Because if you do look at the success rate of Paradise versus the main show, maybe they should take note and be like maybe we need to allow a little bit more like fluidity in the main show. so that these people can actually get to know each other better. Like, so that, like, the more successful couples, the more people are going to be bound to continue to watch the show.

Like, take a look at the, like, what is the last successful couple of Bachelor? Matt and Rachel. No, like, but I'm like talking about, like, engagement successful because they broke up and they got back together. Okay, so the one that like got, was it like Rachel? Because like, that's the whole premise of the show is like, you get there and you get engaged and you live happily and ever after. Yeah, so is it Rachel Lindsay?

I think it's Rachel. So that's like five to six years. multiple seasons and i will also say this what's super interesting about their relationship is that they really do work to kind of almost keep each other off social media in a healthy way to like protect each other yeah like that's one thing that i is so interesting but like it'd be so nice to see a couple who doesn't have to like like of course you're always going to protect your significant other but like you don't have to you can share what you want to share and don't what you don't and it's not like you have like people leaking their chops out for you

Mm-hmm. Rachel, I want to go back to Zach just for one more second. There's so many girls, you know, around our age, dating, and there's this thing that we like to call the ick. I used to call it being grossed out because I used to always be like, oh, I went on a couple days and I'm like, he's nice. He's good on paper. But like, oh, he grossed me out. But whatever, Gen Z has kind of made the word the ick. So we'll continue with that.

Lots of fans think that you got the ick from him in the fantasy suite. and you just couldn't hide it and he was like oh get this guy out of here just kind of like dawned on you and you just couldn't you know you couldn't even

keep a smiley face around him was there a little bit of that I I truly like do really like Zach I think he's a great guy I think by the time my fantasy suites came around my feelings for Avin and Tino

were just so much higher but that is kind of what it is You know what I mean? Which I'm fortunate for Zach. And I'm fortunate for any of those guys because girls get it from very nice, gentlemanly men. I know. Like guys who are kind and respectful and all of that.

But it's just like, but you're not him, you know? I mean, everyone saw that conversation the morning after. It was that bad. Yeah. It's just especially when you're comparing a guy to like somebody in your past or somebody you wish you could be with. And that's what was happening to you. also can get the ick from like the ick can still grow like especially once you tell them like the it can grow like once you tell them no yeah and then the way that they respond

like that it can grow if they respond in like a kind way who are you referring to oh men I have a question for you too though once you start to get the ick yeah does it ever go away Can it reverse itself? It can never reverse itself? Can you personally come back from it? Never ever. Because I know some people who can like get past it. Wow.

That's delusion. That's like a real debt. That's desperation too, I feel like that's like somebody really wanting to be with someone. Do you think you can get past it? Heck, hell no. When I tell, once I get the ick like I will do anything to get out of that situation. Yeah. Oh, nope, I'm gone.

Was there, did that happen during your season? Did you ever get the ick on a one? on one. Um, what about that guy who was so, it was your city, was it your season? The gross guy.

The one that you went on the cliff with. Oh, Jamie. Yes. Okay. So, okay. So, but here's the thing, though.

I didn't, I didn't actually learn about how nasty and like, yeah. I'm going to say it, narcissistic. Yeah. This person was because you were only, like,

you only spent. such a small amount of time with them. Yeah. And I see my person as like I'm a good at reading people. Yeah. But also when they're only in front of your face, yeah, our first one-on-one. We're both getting our first one-on-one date legs underneath us, me as a lead him. Yeah. Like there was a lot going on.

We're in a hundred and ten degrees sun trying to freaking climb up this wall or this rock formation. And so it's like I didn't really peep it out there at all. And then there was one moment where I actually got pulled aside and I was told what was going on um and that right there when i sat down in the conversation and when i addressed it to him and the way he handled it that right there like really showed him or showed who like what kind of person he was for me i will yeah i got the ick but like especially when we're

sitting there all the cameras around us i'm like i'm just going to let your true color show so like you keep running around in circles you keep calling me names There's a lot of things, of course, that were not shown or anything like that. There's just a lot of lies and deceitfulness. But when you have, like, the cameras on your side, I'm like, do yourself a hold, buddy? Keep going, whatever. But that's not really the ick. That's like the, I don't know.

You're, like, disappointed in him. Not even disappointed. I'm just more like boy by, like, disrespect. That's the boy by. Boy by. Like, you just don't deserve any time or energy or, like, treat women that way. So that's not even the. I see.

ick as like for no reason sometimes someone for no reason okay yeah yeah that's probably what the definition is like when it's like oh poor guy he's doing all the right things he's so nice and they're still trying to love on you and you're like give me out of here like i don't think that guys experience this feeling i think they have no idea what we're referring to i wonder why what do they think with they don't think with her head or their heart intuition at the end of the day it's like a women like women have intuition and like maybe we just like like no deep down like they're not the one and that's like the feeling and they don't listen to that like I don't even think they have that capacity maybe they don't because I feel like

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okay so like even like speaking of icks right i feel like we prioritize or like level the types of icks so i have a would you rather so you said you said a spray tan or kailan you've been talking about like kailen has entered the room people kailen has entered the room and we're going to play this game with her now so welcome her in okay so kailin you mentioned that like what gives you the is that if, like, men get regular spray tans. Okay. Just any, okay. My, okay.

So, would you rather date somebody who regularly gets spray tans regularly or who has chronic bad breath? Ew. Spray tans. Oh, of course spray tans. I'm not touching chronic bad breath. Also, I don't think it comes from something that they do necessarily as much as it is just like a vibe that you get from them

I'm gonna say something really bad it's almost like overly friendliness but I'm like just like not sure about you wait you don't like overly friendliness I don't want somebody to be overly like this is me is a single part like me in a single mind I don't want people to be like overly excited around me and friendly around me like eager to get to know me

so you would never date Dean no no no please be me if somebody Jared are you listening I guess it comes back to like the fact that I do like hard to get to a certain degree I don't wanting what you can't have probably I love the chase and me and Genevieve actually talk about this

and like if a guy's playing games with me I'm like oh this is like fun see and she goes why do you want to play games like this isn't fun I'm like no I like it I like it when he's like keeping me on my toes but I'm also single my sister secretly like my she's not so secretly wants her fiance

to just not text her back sometimes so that she can to that she'll be freaked out and worried that he's going to leave because that hard to get is like what she wants. I love it. I guess we're all demented. Wait, you're married. You're married and you still like the chase or no, no, no, no. Now it's different. No, now it's totally different. I'm just trying to put myself back in the day. If a guy was like making some extreme eye contact, say it's a second date, okay? And he is showing so much interest in me. Body language, eye contact. Everything is just like, I want to get to know you. I want to touch your hand. You know, put.

my hand on the small of your back. If he's doing that and I am not sold on him, I'll be like, blah. I feel like that's true though because even on the show, like, I think the guys who are a little slower to open up, like, I was more like, oh, what are, what are they about? Like, even he was like more slow. And there were guys who were like, immediately,

we're like, I like, you don't even know me. Like, you just, you just met me. And I don't know. I get you. I see you. I want to like have, maybe I want to feel like I'm, I'm winning the affection. Also, it's funny coming from you

because like that's how you and Jared were. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like, it could not have been slower and more like, is it going to happen? Is it not going to happen? Is it not going to happen?

Okay, but I feel like you guys are describing like almost like two different types of like the chase. Like would you prefer to chase somebody who's playing hard to get or would you prefer to be the person playing hard to get and feel that someone's chasing you? I see that that's my problem. I wish that I want that I liked the feeling of being chased

got it but I don't think yeah I think I'm wired to be the chaser however none of the guys in my life that I really really liked and were interested in they all liked me to a certain degree back like they'd hang out with me they'd make out with me blah blah

but like nobody would ever be like I want you to be my girlfriend right so like that would make me want them way more and so how wait wait wait I Okay, so how hard do you chase? Because if you remember, you said you get the ick from somebody who's like, hi.

I know. Are you that person to them? Yes. You're chasing them. I have a problem. You're chasing the ick to the stuff? I know. I know.

I don't take my own advice. I never took my own advice. But I would also try to like, I think the only time I was very much not cool was with Jared where it was just like, I just want to pay with you. Like that was like the only situation like that. I think otherwise I was a little bit more subdued. Okay. But also, like, you know, you always think you're cool and subdued until you go back and you read your diary. Or you have to watch yourself on television. Or you watch yourself to get out. What?

I always like, I never thought I was like that bad. And then I'm watching myself and I'm like, who are you? You're scary. I wouldn't want to be with you. It was the same thing. I came back from The Bachelor. My parents were like, so how are you going to be? And I was like, you guys, I'm going to be so cool. I was so proud of my sex. And then I watched myself back And it was like Please be with me It was craziness Oh my god That's

Oh my gosh All right well give us all other Would you rather either or Okay wait Does anyone else have one? What do you guys What is your take? Well I know it's like a little bit different

Because we're all in the Bachelor world And we all are on social media But what is your take on a guy Who is like obsessed with social media And is like constantly posting Constantly like about things like what's your take on that i want the guy to be into it to a certain extent but only be on it but not obsessed or very interested but if he's not on it doesn't that almost kind of raise a

red flag like what are you hiding do you have another girlfriend that's just my my sister always goes cheaters don't have instagram wait that's fair i mean yeah well i'm with dean and it's like he's on it but he doesn't post and he hates posting and i think that's like the perfect thing for me that's Like, he hates being in the scene and he hates, like, all the things that we do to get money. And I kind of like it. Like, it doesn't pay the bills, but it's nice. Like, the opposite would be so much worse. Like, a guy that is just so obsessed with TikToks and views and engagement.

Do you imagine if your, like, person was into making TikToks, like, your guy? I couldn't have. And, like, he was, like, so excited to dub over some trending audio. That's me. That's fine. We're girls. Okay, I want somebody, I want somebody who will literally, I want somebody who will have fun and like, you know those couples that you see the couples on TikTok doing the dance trends and doing things together and having fun together like TikTok and actually I love TikTok more than Instagram because it's just so much less pressure pressure. I feel like it's less harsh on your mental health.

But like someone who will make content with you have fun, not be so miserable, like not be miserable doing it. And if you are, that's totally fine. I know Dean's miserable doing it. No, Michelle, you are so on point. But like, this is kind of part of our life right now anyways. And so it's like, let's just like embrace it. And so I don't know, it would be nice having someone that would be like, yeah, let's jump on board and do this fun dance TikTok because it actually becomes less about the video

and in the TikTok and more about the fun time filming. Because like when we're actually filming TikToks and like, whether it's a dance trend, whether it's a dove, whether it's a whatever, like, it's actually, you end up laughing. She's so right, because then she just brought up, like, another thing, like, when Jared and I make, like, our silly skits, like, we did one for, like, we did a

gremlins one for Halloween and a Batman one for Halloween and he loves editing them and they're just, they are really fun and it gets our creative juices. It's just like, it's something fun to do. But I guess that's just consumed. If you become consumed with the likes, that we have to do this, we have to do it this time.

Oh, we haven't posted in this many days. like that's where it becomes intense and like when it goes like beyond a creative project yeah yeah or sometimes I'll just see something that they post and I'm like you had to set your phone up okay okay shirtless pictures also like

I'm sorry but the guys the new guys on these these seasons like no I mean it's just like the guys that were on your season she's like Rachel and Gabby season shout out no like and I've been telling you a bunch like the guys that they're casting now are so different from the guys like the deans the jared's because social media wasn't a thing so now these new guys are having professional

photos shoots and the tic-ttocks they're creating and like again setting up the phone like you really thought this out and I know I'm being judgmental right now but I'm like I'm just I'm just being a little judgy I don't like it it's an ick it's an it's an it's an it is an ick and I will say from somebody who like just even he and I have talked about this rage but like when you go through public breakups and then they have social media and especially with TikTok now where you're like there's like storytelling

there's all these other avenues or things that come out it's like shit I didn't know that you believed I didn't know that you believed I didn't know that you believe in certain things because that's not what I was told which is totally fine but it's like damn okay

like shit you're not even like there's so many different things that you learn about somebody that I'm like you told me the exact opposite which is no We're all going to go tear up Nate's Instagram and TikTok after this. It's not even him. I'm not even name. All I'm going to say.

I won't even name drop. I won't even name drop. But like it's just like it's really funny watching these things because it's like, yo, why did you tell me the exact opposite? Or like, wait, what you believe in this and not this? Wait, you made fun of this. But then like it's just so weird like sit there and process. Like I don't know any of these people that walk in the show because so many people.

because so many people, to my point, it's not even about like an X, but like all these guys that walk on the show. Are they lying to you? Are they, like, lying to their audience? Are you doing it for views and likes? Are you doing it because people, it'll get people talking or are you doing it because that's what you believe?

Like, it's really confusing. Yeah. And it's even more so confusing, like even moving forward and getting to know new people and seeing their TikTok. It's just like, do you take what they're saying for like face value? Is it for entertainment? So, like, that's my whole point. It's just, like, it's weird.

It's weird. Was it Michael B. Jordan's Instagram you were looking at? Because we know. I look at that all the time. That's her guy. I clearly missed my chance because... Why? Is he in a relationship?

He's not in a relationship. A new one? Yeah. No. Are we sure? It's okay. I'll keep my eye out. We'll see.

I really want this to happen. If it ends, just shoot me a text so that I can slide. But we're respectful. so yes but did you slide no you should have i i know i i found out too late i respect a good instagram slide i i really do i think instagram is the new like dating app i think it's great i think that's how ben and jess met dean and i our relationship i slid in like ben and jess are married now from it sarah and wells those are some slides yeah true i mean you see i think you go into dating app so you could go look at their social media and then you like message them after so why not just cut

out the middleman yeah and send a DM okay so so but like from somebody coming and I actually don't know who to ask us because we're all in bachelor nation or we're at one point but do you like have you ever thought about what other people outside of bachelor nation think of bachelor nation like if a girl or a girl if a guy like slid into your DMs and they're from bachelor nation and went through this whole process where it's like, yeah, I love you, engaged. This is the person I'm spending the rest of my life with. Like, would you be like, tentative?

I would have fan girl the fuck out. Yeah. That is difficult, too. And like dating now, I think, with like, especially being in Michelle and I's position of like having to go on these dates with people who might not necessarily know the show. And you have to be like, oh, yeah, I was engaged.

But like, you know, it's okay. Like, it's fine. Like, it was three months ago, but like, it's okay. They're like, oh, what? You're like, it's okay, because I knew them for less than three months. I only saw him three times total, but, and they're just like, what is going on? So it is kind of interesting, yeah, to your point, like what? We look, you know, outside people.

We look crazy. We are crazy. When you guys do get engaged for real at some way in your, do you, will you consider it, will you consider the engagement from the show a real engagement or kind of like an annulled engagement? Honestly, I'll say, I don't know. I'm not going to speak for you, Rach, but like, for me, tainted. Because it was like, it was my dream ring. It was, I wanted the relationship to work. I was willing to put in work for the relationship.

And I had the person take off. And, you know, like, that's not something that I bluntly said because Instagram and there's all these other things on you. But it's like, I know what it looks like to work through a relationship. And I know how hard relationships can get. And, but both people have to be capable of doing that. And so for me, it was. Yeah, I feel like that was literally

Kind of stripped away from me so it pisses me off But I also'm like, great I can't wait to do it Like for reals this next time Like with somebody who really like I know will be there Shit, I'm gonna have to figure out a different cut of a ring Because pear shape ain't happening I will tell you you know this stuff

This style is going to happen We always decide we like something else When we already have it like I love my ring of course But then it's like two years after my ring A whole other style is getting popular And I'm like, wait a second I don't want that ring.

I'll have to find something else, but it's okay. We should all get what Kaylin has on our finger. That's what I had. I literally have that exact right. I love that in my mind. There's so much less. I love it. We can just keep getting new Moistenight because it's a fake rock.

Yeah. I think Cal me out. But yeah, I'm just getting it. I wouldn't have known. She wouldn't have known. Nobody would know. And you know what? They have a healthy relationship.

Exactly. It doesn't matter. But if you bring up the Moistenite ring to him, he gets very upset because he paid for a real diamond that he lost yeah so somebody not putting in a junk drawer so anyway it being in a junk drawer is a problem yeah and that was I'm blaming dean I know is there any chance that it's turning up he thinks that it could be in the laundry is there any chance is there any chance well why you're gonna find it one day you need to like pull out all of like the tubing and everything no I know that's on his list but he has a long

list. So Tommy needs to prioritize it before he leaves for Antarctica. I know, but the thing is we went through hours and hours of camera footage that overlooks exactly where the junk drawer was and it was never taken out. So then we have people sliding into our DMs where like maybe a

mouse took it and like thought it was a snack because it was wrapped in tissue paper. And they're like, maybe you dropped it somewhere in your house. And I was like, that probably didn't happen. Could somebody have stolen it? No, like it was never, we cannot find the video footage of when it was taken out of the drawer like we're looking at night we're looking

I don't know did you tear it like did you just take a jackhammer to the freaking night stand drawer what break it apart no no it's um it's in a drunk drawer like in the middle of our island could it be behind the drawer checked everything but like can you like break the like did you physically took apart every piece of the drawer well no but it's like it's like a you know well constructed it can't fall in the crack like right Caitlin, are you annoyed that? But with this expensive of a ring, I would be sawing. I'd be selling the drawer apart.

I had given up. And he is so upset about it. But at the end of the day, we decided because I wanted to buy my own engagement ring. Because I'm the breadwinner. And I was like, I make more money. I want to like, I want to, and I'm going to be wearing this every day. So we came to the decision that I would buy him a truck and he would buy me a ring. So he got a truck.

And he's like still upset. Was your ring more expensive than a truck? Well, I put the amount towards the truck That he put into the ring Okay, gotcha I thought it I think this down the road is going to be Do you guys want kids?

Yeah I think down the road this is going to be like a funny story Maybe it might be a little funny for you Before it was him But like I think it's a funny story That you guys are gonna No, he doesn't care You would think that he cares and he doesn't

Like he hates the fact that he spent money on something And now I have a Moist Night Ring that I love But he's gorgeous He like doesn't care that he lost it. But that's like the most dean thing ever. I know. Also, if you were to find the ring, would you be more attached to that ring than the other one? Would you be like at that point, would you be like, let's sell the ring back, use something else with it and keep that one? That's a good idea. Yeah, honestly, but this is the thing that I have been telling everyone who's

about to get married and about to get engaged. Like, we're now paying for a wedding and I wish he didn't spend that much and I wish I didn't spend so much on a truck because like weddings are so expensive. At the end of the day, like, a ring's a ring. I like, I love jewelry, but I don't cared that much. So I wish we just wouldn't have spent that and saved it for the wedding. Well, there you go. Saw apart the drawer so that you can sell it back so that you can comp your wedding. Yeah. Boom. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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we're just going to go have fun off the mic can do it with food and drink. But first, I want to just put your guys, so I'm really into celebrity crushes, okay? I've always been into them, and like everybody who follows me on Instagram knows that I love Joe Burrow, but it's okay because Jared approves.

And I'm trying to turn Kailen onto him, and that was a really easy conversion. She's, she's all in. She's going to be part of the group message. It's Burroughs bitches. Hey. But now I want you to put out your, like, your single and I want you to put out your celebrity

feelers so that like we can get that into us weekly like a headline and so that they can side by side photos yeah exactly and then they see it yeah do we got to put we probably should pick one of that's single than not a real but jordan i will have to say though me and ashly talked earlier i joe burrow is definitely my celebrity crush so he is just so sexy she doesn't care i don't care joe burrow if you ever break up with your girlfriend joe burrow obviously so hot. Jacob Allorty. Oh. Who's this Jacob Allorty? He's in euphoria. Okay. Okay. So sorry. That's right.

Okay. You said that before. Is he's single? I don't know. He's dating Sydney Crawfords. What's her name? No. No. Kyle's with Austin Butler. He's with Olivia Jay. He's with Olivia Jay. He's with Lori Lachlan. Yeah. Maybe I'm getting the wrong Nepo baby. No, he was with Kaya for a minute. Oh. So I was right. Okay. And then obviously Pete Davidson. What? I feel like maybe I could pull Pete Davidson. in me if I was in the same room with him possibly that's me just stretching it's just we got to

get you in the same yeah that's the problem does anyone have any ideas how can we do that is a hard get because like he is a hard he we all know that he has his obvious pick of the whole world there's no one for him but but you the wheel is spinning really quickly I could maybe you can't do it Rachel you could do it you could pull him in you know let's see what do Michelle. Obviously, Michael B. Jordan. Okay. Well, it was Michael B. Jordan, but now he's with somebody. So by the time this gets in U.S. Weekly, if he's single by that time, cool, use this version. If he's not my second choice, I guess, no, I don't want to say second choice. That sounds bad. Travis Kelsey. Do you know who he plays on the Chiefs? He's single with all the heart throbs of the NFL. I'll tell you this. I will tell you this. I have become a Chiefs fan. I do have a lot of connections with the Chiefs. I have been at the games. Is he single? And we're going to the Super Bowl

And you guys are going to the Super Bowl And he sent me He sent me a PR package the other day They had all his sweatshets in it So I always tell everybody that Travis Kelsey Send him directly Do you know that Tasha is going to kill you? You know that Tate you know

Are you in an evil war with Tasha over Travis Kelsey? I'm never in an evil war with Tasha Okay Or I'm never in an evil war with anyone Does she have a crush on him? Yeah she's like throwing her her bids out there Oh I think I just made up that expression She's shooting her, like, she's shooting her shot, okay?

Shooting her shot, yeah. Hey, do you a girl. Okay. Yeah, I don't want to do. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't know.

He's got the same street swag that I get, but I was at, you know what I mean? Like that, like that, like, I'm so into this. No, see, I, see, I won't go, I won't go directly against one of my girls, but, you know, if she, if she, if she, if you guys are going to have to hash it out. But I think she's just. Are we duking this out or what? Okay. Caitlin, what were you just saying? Why are you going to the Super Bowl?

I've been to two Super Bowl, so I don't know why I'm saying it like, I just want to be like, why are you going? I like sports. Who are you going with? Are you buying your own tickets or somebody giving you like a suite? Yes. Somebody's giving you a series. I mean, I'm going with Wilson, tennis.

Where is it? In Phoenix? Yeah. Who are you going with? I'm literally just going. I have some friends back in Minnesota who have a lot of connections. So I'm going with them for that. And we'll be there actually.

leading up to it like waste management all that stuff is is leading up to it i believe have you heard of waste management have you heard of waste management yeah i'm never been like i'm excited is it garbage cans is it we sound so stupid right now okay but like waste management like what it like it's i know that it's a tournament but like the company it's the company okay is the company garbage is that is that i don't know what it's called that but yeah it is literally though it is so every year in phoenix arizona it is like the biggest attraction that like phoenix whole or arizona holds and people flock there because there's just these massive these massive different it is waste management guys it's garbage cans and recycling which is crazy because that explains why everyone flocks there

because everybody needs garbage disposal okay whether you're throwing away your trash where do you throwing away men, whatever it is. But really, it's the biggest party of the year and it's like... And it's insane. It coincides with the Super Bowl. It's insane. And that's never happened before. So, like, people like...

They always have this going on every year. Every year. And legitimately, people fly from all over the world to come to this event because of this massive networking party. Like, everybody goes rampant. There's, like, golf tournaments, things like that. And now it's backing up to the Super Bowl, which is a little bit alarming. Because, like, a lot of people don't come out of waste management.

They drink so much. Like, it's crazy. I've never heard of this before. But I knew I was on the right track with the garbage drops. Hey. So, are you going to the actual game? So I have a ticket to the game, but I'm actually going to be launching my own brand on February 13th. What kind of brand?

It's going to be around everything that I've kind of teased with motivational speaking, giving back to foundations. and going to be having an event on the 13th. And so I, my team that works behind me is like, we've done so much to get you. Like, we've had to put in crunch time so much time. Have a little bit of fear of not being able to get back on the 13th. So I'm maybe skipping the game to make sure that I can fly back in case we run into any issues. You know what?

Joe Borough won't be there. I'm maybe giving away some of my tickets. I'm so sorry, Travis Kelsey. I'm so sorry, but you know where to find me. Okay. All right. Well, Kaelin Wilson, you're going to Wilson, you're going in the game? Yeah.

Is Dean going in the game? He'll be in Antarctica. This is the crazy. She says that's the most casual thing ever. I will not be going to this year. Well, I'll be in Antarctica. This is this first trip to Antarctica and like is how do you live there? Like, do they have hotels or is it like you live with scientists while you're there?

No, he's going to be on a boat the whole time. And then they'll like go on to land and like take photos and then come back to the boat. And it's just straight up ice. like you're basically on ice when you're on like the the continent it's a good question i think so okay have you seen have you seen all over social media about how just people are flocking to ant article right now do you know kandis the fashilist uh yes yeah yeah she's there right now really yeah yeah and they like are traveling through like the drake passage which is like crazy um i saw that that's an like rough waters you have to travel and then there's rogue waves that hit and like have killed

people and like just like the intense waves that are smashing into these like boats and people are just going there and I'm like wow I could never never are they going there because it's like a near death experience no like not geo host trips like it's a lot of retirees go really yeah but dean's going for like a photography trip yeah people are like sliding down on the cruise ship because like you literally have to be like in your room it's so bad and like there's like yeah I'm like why would I do that. I'd have so much anxiety leading up to it of like, okay, when we go through the Drake passage, are we just going to completely get

smacked? Everyone's going to be vomiting everywhere. Like, people, like, I can't do that. That's not worth it. Right. And for me, that's why I'll never go because of the passage. But then Dean, like, whatever, he's obviously a daredevil. He also went to Pakistan and Nepal, and Nepal just, it's

the most dangerous airport in the world. And they just had a plane crash. The airport that he was at, like, three months ago and everyone died. I'm like, how are you're doing like such unsafe things and like i swear he's a cat with nine lives okay so question for you when you guys have kids will you let him continuously do these dangerous missions it's so funny if he listens to this he'll be like you won't let me um he doesn't like yeah i like you support support is yeah um no i think like get it out now and then when we have kids you just have to be safer like

our kids need a dad yeah and like the stress that it puts on you while like he he's over here ziplining on a freaking thread of floss right like I'll be fine while you're taking care of the kids at home like really not fair when he was in Nepal

he was in the desert for like 14 days without a phone yeah that's the scariest thing I know he and we bought him a phone a sat phone that like it's connected to satellite so like he can call from anywhere and he forgot it he's like landed in pack Costanis goes, oh, I forgot my staff phone. There's a common denominator here.

I'm forgetting things. And losing things. It's not Galen. All right. Good girl chat. Guys, I hope you enjoyed this at home and you felt like you were around the table with your girlfriends. Let's do this more often.

I love a girl chat pod. Anything else final words, y'all? You need to fly. I need to come check out your coffee shop. Whenever you want to come to you guys really come when it gets nicer. Yeah, I want to. I definitely want to. do that for sure we would love to have you we always say we'll cover your trip if you come to us

me hey let's go let me turn let me and rach around once we get there and i know i need to go see my girl jill's there too let's go for sure all right see you guys follow the ben and ashley i almost famous podcast on iHeart radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts hi my name is enya umanzor and i'm drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD, oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency

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