The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Bachelor Nation Always Finds Out

Episode Date: September 8, 2021

Ashley is joined by Paradise veteran Derek Peth to recap tonight’s episode of Bachelor in Paradise! Derek offers his unique perspective on what happens when Demi is told “no”. And we take a look at the hard data after last night’s revelation about Brendan and Pieper. Find out how many people slammed the “Unfollow” button after learning they were there for the wrong reasons Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Before we dive into this week's episode, let me just remind everybody who wants to play along with our Bachelor in Paradise Bracket on Batch Brackett. And those of you who are already participating, you can head to H-T-P dot dot slash-slash-B-I-P dot batchbracket.com. EIP.batchbacket.com and you can make your wagers with us this week. The rule of the week this week for us is plus 10 points if a contestant is seen working out or exercising in this episode. This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast with IHartRadio. All right guys. Hello and welcome to the almost famous podcast. This is the recap of

week of episode, man, what episode are we on? Well, I guess I always do. Second episode of the week. The second episode of the week. Tuesday. Yeah, praise you for keeping track. The Tuesday, September 7th episode. And the voice that you hear on the other end is not Ben Higgins.

You guys, if you've been following along, he actually had his ACL surgery today. filling in for him is Derek Path. Oh my God, he's the perfect guessos today. What stuff, Ash? Is it Ash? Do we say Ash? Yeah, I prefer that actually from people. I feel like that means that they have like a sense of comfort with me.

There we go. I gotta feel comfortable today. That was my poor Ben Higgins' impression then. I won't do it again. I'll just be me from that. Oh my God, because he does call me Ash. Is that what you mean? Yes.

That's so funny. Okay. Well, I think. think that you're the perfect person for this for of a specific reason do you have any idea why i have been triggered many times watching so um i mean i say that you know mostly jokingly but like first of all this has been an amazing season yeah i'm just going to say that generally i haven't talked on like any podcast or whatever about it so like excuse me if i go over some little things that have happened before as like yeah but but

But I mean, this season has had the most, like, pre-arranged kind of things, which, you know, we don't know if or what happened in my season, which was just last season, I guess. But I feel like some of that happened as well to me. And so it's been like, oh, my God, I feel everyone's pain that it's on the, like, receiving end of that, you know? Do you remember, I always bring those up, like, back during season two, Joe Bailey and Samantha Staff. Never spoke on the phone. All they did was DM or like text or something. And it was the biggest controversy. So that was the beginning.

And now we have people going on that are in full-blown relationships. Yes, you're right, though. I want, I think that you're the perfect guess because you are kind of the victim of somebody who was, who had a relationship back at home. Yes. And that was Demi. It's really no secret. that Demi was very much in a relationship with um christian with christian uh back back during um your season and and you were the guy that she led on sort of in waiting for her

to arrive yeah um so i got to hand it to demi in some ways like i feel like people So okay, okay, okay, I'm going to give you, I didn't, I did, this is just off the top of my head now. So, and this isn't even because, like, I know Demi or whatever, but I feel like what Demi did emboldened all these people because exactly what you said, like, I remember when Joe got, like, crucified for just having talked to. I mean, he was also kind of a, I mean, I love Joe. I love Jim really, okay. I mean, like, on the, on the show, he was like, he did not. He had some behind the scenes or some moments where he thought they were behind the scenes very much like Brendan. You know, like he was saying things.

Exactly. Mikeed thinking that like because there wasn't a camera directly in his face, that it wasn't somewhere being recorded. Oh, God, that's exactly. I feel like it's this America's dumbest criminal, but like the Paradise version. There's so many people who don't, who just, they think they're going to get away with so many things. But so like we saw that there's like other versions of. of after like Joe basically, you know, being hung out to dry that that happened. And then I think because people saw Demi get like so much love for the way that the like

relationship unraveled during like Paradise, they just must have been completely emboldened and not realize that this was like the number one no-no in the show is don't come on and lie to the audience. like that is you're basically like gaslighting millions of people and expecting it to turn out fine you know so the reason why I say I think Demi's was like a little bit different because frankly she actually did come and say like hey I was in a relationship with the girl before and like I did leave that kind of up in the air and so so she did honestly and my response right was like well as long as that's there and I'm here then I'm okay with that.

but then it came there and like i mean frankly i left not long after it's very very hard to sit there and watch that so that's why i'm saying like i can be i'm on the receiving end for a lot of these people who have kind of been through it and had to watch that and i can say without a doubt that is so hard because it's not like normal life we can walk away and like find your own space no everything is there you understand that too because there's somebody who you were very much in love with and you had to watch it. And I think we both shed some tears over that kind of a scenario. Oh, my gosh, yes.

We were talking about that yesterday with Joe and Kendall because it's like moving on is one thing. But moving on when you have the direct comparison of the person that you're trying to move on from in front of you is just pretty much impossible. Well, you must have been feeling a lot of irony watching this episode, seeing Demi get annoyed at the whole. and what's how do you say that girl's name i know i know i wrote it down alana i had to write it yeah okay yeah okay so i actually saffron looked it up for me because i i was like i don't know what everybody's saying it differently i thought it was atlanta at first i heard that as well yeah i've heard people that named that so i didn't think it was that crazy but anyway alanna alana and chris and she's all like yeah get out this is so unfair

yeah that was that's not been a good look for her i feel like everyone's calling her out for that i had my one tweet about it i did i did make one you know somebody had a funny funny gym face about uh kind of the hypocrisy there and so like i mean other than in the end like i mean i wouldn't have been right for each other so like it is what it is you know and um we've become friends because of that but uh you know you got to you got to call your friends out sometimes when they're being ridiculous totally all right well speaking of you like not working out with demi let's talk about where you are in your life right now before we go through the rest of the episode so you are engaged to your fiance saffron uh do you guys have a date yeah we don't yet so

well so i'll say this first of all this is now an international show i'm recording from london England. Oh, that explains her beautiful voice in the background earlier. Yeah, exactly. So it's 8 p.m. here recording. But yeah, it's so hard, like things just open up, rules just opened up between the countries. So we kind of want to shoot for something next June. But like we've been saying that now for five months. And it's just so hard to plan like internationally, because we are going to do it here in England and it's just so hard to plan like with all of the changing rules internationally but yeah but but I mean very happily engaged we we met actually with Charlene from from The Bachelor I was I was eating dinner with Charlene and Andy and she was just sitting

at a table next to us at dinner and then yeah and then we ended up you know going on some dates and I mean just really quickly you know coronavirus forced us to start living together two months in and that you know put the fast forward on literally everything because yeah we're we're just living together very quickly wow that's a crazy story she's just sitting at the other table and you're like that girl's cute I have to talk to her and then did you like have a line or something where you just like we're like hi person next to us I was actually so So I did not. I was a total wuss with that.

But in my defense, I had like a date that was meeting us later that night. And I just like I couldn't take it get myself to be like I'm going on another like meeting someone else. I'm going to go ask this girl like for her number or whatever. And so I couldn't do it. So luckily one of her friends had like watched the show. She had just moved to New York three days earlier. so she like they don't watch The Bachelor or anything in England she knew nothing about but luckily one of them knew who I was and as they were drinking later they did send me a DM and I was very excited because it was the girl that I had been staring at oh my gosh for like our whole dinner yeah and so then um ended things with the other person and decided to go out with a saffron very quickly that is a great story like two days later I think I love when stories like when stories like when

cast when Bachelor alum or whatnot, when they don't meet their significant other through the show, but like if it weren't from them being on the show, who knows what would have happened? Yeah. That's what I say, too, about it. It's like if I wouldn't, like, people can make any jokes all they want, but now I've got my, you know, future wife because of it. So does she know what went down with you on these seasons that you've been on? she went back so what she told me was before she went on the date she didn't want to see or hear anything from her friends she basically was like no I don't want to hear you know like I don't want to prejudge anything and then afterwards when she was like yes I want to date him

then she went and double checked to make sure there wasn't anything sketchy out there how does she feel that you were engaged before on the show you know what um she was like weirdly very okay with it i don't know i think that she just like understood that you know things don't somethings don't work out and um that you know it was kind of like you only know so much about somebody in such a short window and you i mean you know as well as i do making that decision so fast on the show is like it's crazy it is crazy like we we kind of talk about it like it's like are they going to get engaged But that is incredibly fast.

And so there's no wonder why, like, so many engagements are end, like, end that are, that happen on the show and why engagements that maybe happen off the show or, like, at a later date, end up, you know, like you and Jared, working out in a much more healthy way. Oh, thank you. Like, Adam and Raven, too. Yeah. Kevin and Astrid. Those are all people who waited. Yeah, they got. they got they just left as you know in a relationship or with each other yeah did you at all feel

like being engaged prior took away from like this proposal like you had to get down on one knee twice just a reminder to the audience that you were engaged to taylor nolan beforehand wow really going i think i need i should have free written some tough interview questions because i know how tough you love to get on this uh it it didn't water it down for me no No, because this is the woman that's going to be in my life. You know, like, I knew, I know that. And I wasn't thinking at all about anybody else, you know, at that point. That's good.

That's kind of like, you do you kind of consider it, like, not a real engagement? Like, does that sound horrible, the one that you had prior? You know, I'm going to say while you're doing it, it's horrible if you consider it not a real engagement. like you need to feel like it's real you should i i've talked to people about that before that have like kind of gone through that process and then ended it and they've said that they felt like it wasn't real and then that made like everything else feel not real like they were just acting in their whole life and so i don't know if you like make yourself believe it more or you um like you know through it but i always felt like no i am like i'm making this

real life you know but i'm not going to lie like i'm honest normal person i think as you like get further away from it it becomes easier to be like oof you know what like there was a lot of pressure around me from other people to do that whether it's people on social media or like you know other cast members or like producers whatever it is like it's not hidden that that's that there's pressure to right you know normally in your normal life there's not somebody who's like you want to take this ring and go yeah that's not a normal thing you know yeah this is not some hidden secret so no i ask just because there are like so many couples that get engaged at the end of like the main show bachelor bachelor bacheloret and they're like you know yeah i have a ring on my finger

but we're dating now you know see i think that's that's the that's a sign that it's then yeah i really i really don't think i don't think i think if you're then why did you get why did you take the ring like why don't you have that conversation with somebody that's that's like look I just want to date you you know I think people would respect that more so I'm going to spin this back around out of out of an interview of Derek and back to the show but that's where it's like I think if you're pretending to be someone on TV and you're pretending and your real life is different like that's a recipe for disaster and that's like exactly what's happening with all these people you know because i so i tried to write them all down so uh brennan and piper you did a great job

switching this because i was literally going to bring it to this like who the heck could actually get engaged at the end of this all right so oh yeah but i'm with you on that who i like i'm not seeing anybody who i'm going this would make sense right now guys audience i think that there might be like seven days left right now you might be right seven daysish yeah until these people are supposed to get down on one knee? Yeah, I wonder if that's why they're spreading them out to be one episode each week to make us feel like it's more realistic. I mean, I will say Joe and, what's her name, Adhiel, right?

Joe and Serena. Oh, Serena, sorry. Yeah, Serena, that's right. I didn't write anything down because they weren't in this episode, and I always forget her name. But I know that everything happened with Kendall and that that's like a hit to, it could be like a hit to that. But frankly, they've been, I think, the most, like, you know, close throughout it.

And that could maybe bring them closer. They seem good. That might be the only one that I can see. They seem good, but do they seem that strong? I don't know. I don't know. Because just the last time we, like, really saw them interact. Well, I guess they were talking about Kendall.

But before that, they were talking about, like, how they spell your last name. It just, I just feel like we haven't seen enough of that. But I also feel like we were left almost on a cliffhanger with Joe and Kendall. They open the whole week, right? Like, this is the storyline that we've all been waiting for. And then we get 10, 15 minutes, and you're thinking, oh, it's going to definitely be brought up again on Tuesday's episode. Nothing. We basically go four hours without any more Joe and Kendall stuff.

We're going into, like, this coming Monday will be a rose ceremony. So, like, what? I mean, but also how is Kendall going to be in this? She won't. My thought is that she's probably going to have another serious conversation with him during the Rose Ceremony Cocktail Hour thing, or like seven hours. You know, it's not exactly a cocktail hour. And then...

Yeah, especially Paradise. Those things go until what, like 6 a.m. Seriously. We were in that Rose's pull up until like 4.30. Then I feel like they're going to have this thing where he's going to be like, no, I really, I don't think there's anything. thing here for us to continue to explore, and then she's just going to go home. This is my theory.

But she's not talking to anybody, and, like, there's, it's the next episode. That's why I want to know, like, are you guys actually talking? Because, like, I want you guys to, like, fully get this out. You know, this is your last chance. You need to, like, exhaust all options here. I know, I know that, like, Ben probably will have. I hate listening to this, if he does. Ben, listen to this while you're recovering from your niece for your jeery.

Check, check up on me. I miss you, by the way. I need to text you. So I want to just skip ahead since we're talking about Joe to how amazingly like a, like Chicago gangster Joe. Oh, my gosh. I was going to tell, I was going to say it was the mafia between Riley and him. Yeah, yeah. So mob.

And I'm like, Joe, you're. Riley's his mob stereotype and you're so good and funny right now. Oh, yeah. It was. Riley was his mafia lawyer. Yeah. Because he's a lawyer, right? Yeah.

Like when I told, when I explained that to Saffron, she was like, oh, yes, that makes total sense now why he's, because she was like, why is he getting involved in that? And I was like, oh, he's a lawyer. So we know that he's like very practice in that. But I wrote down what Joe wrote and he just kept being like, like, I think he's got to go. You sounded like it when he said that. I can't help it.

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So, hello, Aaron. It's so good to have you on here. Hi, you guys. Thanks for having me. Of course. So what is Mike Johnson and Hannah-Anne Slews? What are they doing on the show tonight? So each and every week, we like to just make it nice and difficult for our competitive surfers that are competing for the chance to be crowned, the ultimate surfer. And we like to throw in some, you know, complications and see how you can handle things on the fly. in tonight's episode, you can check it out. We are going to give them an opportunity to teach, to be the teacher,

and see if they can teach Mike and Hannah how to surf. And Hannah and Mike will, I don't know if it's giving a rose, because I actually didn't get to see this part, which I heard was absolutely super fun and incredible. I didn't get to be there on set. I was doing my own thing, but they basically crown who they believe is the best teacher. and I don't know if you guys have been able to surf or if you've attempted to. I tried.

It's hard. I've tried before. I'm laughing already at the idea of Mike trying to surf because I know how tall he is. And it is the tall you are. Very, very, very hard to stand up. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why, you know, I feel like being a teacher of surfing isn't as easy as it looks.

And so, you know, like if you were to. look at me and try to serve, I might be a cat on a surfboard, no joke. And so you may see that today when it comes to Mike and Hannah because picking up surfing is really, really hard. So you're going to get some good entertainment. I think when you watch tonight's show, especially for Bachelor Nation, that's for sure. Why did you guys select the two of them out of all Bachelor alum to learn how to surf on TV? Well, I mean, maybe they volunteered. I don't know how they got to be the lucky ones, but the good news is I think they're inexperienced.

And so that was definitely what we wanted to, what we wanted to portray to the fan that's tuning in is an overall sense of appreciation that maybe it looks easy, but when it comes down to it, it's really hard. And so I think that that's what you're going to get, a fun little dose of understanding how challenging it really is to get on a surfboard. and if you guys at home have never tried take a board get out on the water and attempt it is it is not easy for me and you know I'm from soCal I grew up surfing during the summers and it's embarrassing if you try to get me on a surfboard so I think that they were just up for the challenge and they were the lucky ones let's be honest very interesting no I'm not doubting how hard it would be I can't even get on like a boogie board in a pool so

yeah um okay so where are we in the season right now is it easy to catch up can people who are watching bachelor in paradise tonight easily just go in and start watching um the ultimate server yes yes yes uh tonight is episode six that we have including tonight three more episodes okay um and everybody that i've talked to for whatever reason they just feel like it sucks them in from the beginning and the surfing has gotten better and better. So if you're kind of into alliances, there's a little backstabbing, you see some strategy. And of course, it's perfect for Bachelor Nation who are already tuned in to Bachelor in Paradise to kind of just get into another surf show, which I feel like is so great because it's truly like escapism at its finest. It's like

beautiful people on surfboards, wiping out, surfing incredible. And then you're going to get a great little surprise with Bachelor Nation for Hannah and Mike tonight. So tune in tonight, 10-9 Central on ABC, or if you guys want to catch up and on the entirety of the season, check out Hulu because we're streaming there and you can get all the other episodes that have aired so far. I got a question on Instagram last week. Somebody asked, why does nobody get into the water in paradise?

It looks like nobody's out there swimming. And I said because there is an extreme, undertow. It's really scary. I got sucked in there before. Derek, did you experience that at all? We had one person, and I don't remember who it was, because it was like a while back. But the first season, I was, I was on Paradise. They actually do have some surfboards there. And he had like snagged it before the lifeguards who were there could notice and went out and was just kind of like paddling around. And the undertow suddenly took him out about, I'm not kidding, like probably seven, 75 yards out there, like past, yeah. And he was not sure how to handle that. So they did have to go and, like, pull him in and save him. So, I mean, I think that that would have been the first unseen bachelor attempting to surf.

So I'm sure it's going to be, that was unseen. I'm sure that it's going to be very fun. And, you know, a good reminder to see some bachelor people on actually attempt with some good professional teachers who know what they're doing. Yeah. Yeah. Aaron, do you see that at all? Like, is there any danger, scare moments? Yeah, well, you know, it's really interesting. So I interviewed the CEO of the World Surf League last night before episode five, Eric Logan. And he brought up a really interesting point. The show is surfed at the surf ranch. And it's not on the north shore of Oahu, where let's say, you know, a leg of the championship tour is on. pipeline, as he had mentioned, is incredibly dangerous for the surfers who haven't surfed before. So exactly what you're saying, Ash, that the undertow is just dangerous and maybe Bachelor in

Paradise doesn't want to, you know, come out and be rescued by some lifeguard with a buoy. Maybe he was just, he or she just doesn't want to face that reality because it really is challenging. And that's why we ended up having the show at the surf ranch, because it's a little bit safer it's waves on demand and um you know it's a little bit i think the competition it levels the playing field so everybody sort of gets the exact same wave as opposed to like you said in the ocean where it is actually really dangerous it's like the perfect mashup the perfect mashup for whoever dm'd you that that yeah yes all right well guys thank you um so much erin for coming on

and you guys are out there it's after bachelor in paradise tonight three more episodes left at the Ultimate Surfer on ABC. Thank you, Aaron. Bye, you guys. Thank you for having me. Bye. Thank you so much. All right.

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everything as well he would probably appreciate that I know I was like is he trying to make a pun on his name and it's a tight-ass party? He did go. Yeah, tight-ass party. It's a tight-ass party. Okay. I did hear him say that. You're right.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. I think that is a pun. We found the Easter act. We found the Easter egg. All right. So he kind of announces that there's going to be this VIP party. Yeah.

And the people who are invited are Becca, Aaron, Noah, Abigail, Kenny, Jessenia, Chris, DeAndra, Riley, James, Thomas, and Demi. And at first, I'm like, this is lame invite list because, like, these people are either coupled up or they're so strongly coupled up with somebody back at home that nothing's going to happen. But we were wrong because Chris obviously was dating somebody at home

named Alea. Yeah. We had, oh, Alea was there too. Elena. That was very confusing. They were both there. That was very confusing. Alea and Elena.

And it's almost as if they didn't even announce Elena. She really went under the radar. There was McKinna who also showed up and so did Chelsea. And my best guess is that Alea, wait, no, Elena. Elena and McKenna both aren't even going to make further appearances. I think they're just, you know, they just went to the party. I agree with you. I think it's just the two.

Well, this is like, so when, uh, when JPJ decided to make a, oh, my God, I forgot all about this. I forgot all about this. Yeah, you were there. I think I was talking to you guys when that started actually. Yeah, but, um, so that was like a similar thing, you know, they had like a bunch of people come and it wasn't like explicitly said, but then a few people did come back. to like paradise because of that and they made it like more explicit I think you know as well as I do

like I would be interested to know first of all what kind of music and stuff it was weird to see them at this party like dancing and whatever but there's like not the energy that usually is there from going out because it's just like this small group of people I can feel that being really uncomfortable

but it is awesome to leave when you've been stuck there for like two weeks so I think people like they know that the second that people leave and they introduce new people, it's like a recipe for people to just forget about whoever was at the beach. It's very much like the wedding when you guys went to Crystal and Chris's wedding because you're getting a different environment that already gives you some sort of like different mentality.

Totally. And then, yeah, a party atmosphere. So guys, we see that Chris, Chris sees Elena and like all the sudden. everything is like done with him in justenia and it is the weirdest thing ever because he literally makes out with her in what seems to be like five minutes after she walks in with just total disregard to justenia complete gosh i felt so bad when she saw that but but then the other thing is they were not hiding anything no how like that was so much lack of even just social awareness who does that just in front of we already have to like remove some barriers of course because you're on the show and like

yeah when you kiss somebody there's camera and stuff but like that much lack of awareness where everybody else is sitting there watching you it seems incredibly weird disregard like just like so emotionally reckless is right on both their parts too not not just like Chris but what did we expect though or and what i'm sorry well what did just any expect from mr smoke bro yeah i guess you know and also i'm sorry to throw this out there i i feel like this is like something that people are probably going to forget pretty quickly or have forgotten but jessania kind of did this to ivan just now like there is that she's coming in hot but i think like there's a lot of i'm the victim going on because then later on Tammy kind of does the same thing.

But these people kind of have, and what, oh, and what's her name, Mari kind of dug her own grave as well. Like there's a lot of people here who have just like not been thinking about two steps ahead. Yeah, the karma kind of comes back around for these people. Yeah, like I do think. If you want to call it karma, I mean, like you can't help you where your heart leads you, but. Well, all right, Chris. That sounds like something Chris wrote to say. on this episode. He kept talking about that.

Yeah, you're right, my bad. You can do it with tact in like, and, you know, respect and all that. Which, Gisania did it with more respect back when she did it to Ivan. However, at the end of the day,

it's not that much different. Yeah, I'm giving, just any did this much more tactfully than Chris. But, but I said, I got to, I got to say that We need some people looking in the mirror here a little bit. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, okay. Well, good job pointing that out.

Back at the beach, we see, like, Tammy's freaking out because she's like, what if Thomas meets somebody there? Yeah. And everybody has a general sense of anxiety, understandably. Especially when then Justenia came back, though, and said that. Yeah. Then, like, Marissa was breaking down, too. They all, nobody was feeling.

very secure. No. And I can just see in Tammy's face when she saw Descena come down. She, you know, because Jacenia's like, there's like, you know, he, there's a girl and there's a girl. And then like, you could tell Tammy's like, what girl? What girl? Tell me everything. I'm supposed to care about you right now. I know you're really upset, but like I'm really, really worried about myself. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So the next day, we have that Mari and Kenny conversation. where they kind of say to each other, let's just revamp this. It's back to the two of us. We really, like, I was really scared because I like you so much.

I've never had feelings like this before. They both say that they've never felt these feelings before. And, I mean, do you buy it? I guess. I don't feel it. Yes. No, I was, I just, first of all, after what I just said about like that a lot of people dug their own grave

what show did Mari think she was going on because her timing before and this is I know like you guys have talked about this already but her rose timing because why would you time I don't know if I want to be with you when you aren't capable of like seeing anybody new when nobody already asked you on a date it's like nobody's shown any interest and you haven't shown any interest, so why are you ending this now? Well, I was confused with that with Abigail and Noah, too. I'm like, it seems like it's going great.

Why are you ending this when it's, why ending this now? And then again, they rekindled. Yeah, and yeah, they definitely did. I mean, we don't see much of them, so I guess, you know, I don't think they're like, you know, hot and heavy. Yeah, I don't, I feel like they aren't either. I mean, Kenny, I feel like clearly loves to be in the, he's like one of those guys that doesn't cause the drama, but he clearly loves to be involved in it. I mean, there's got to be a reason.

I'm sorry, but he's like 40 and not been in a relationship and a boy band manager. Being involved in a lot of drama seems like, let's write that on his card as well. Like he definitely, most guys wouldn't be able to. like, oh, you're not into me. Let me go sleep with another girl who's living in the same room as you. What a decision to make. So, I mean, they're reconciling. I don't think this goes anywhere. But good for him for maybe choosing someone who's like, he cares about a little bit more. I don't know. Do you think that Mari has any idea that Demi and him had sex? Ooh, I don't know. That's right. She hasn't talked about that.

No. Ooh, that could be a bomb. That could be a bomb that doesn't happen until, like, after the show is over and he has to tell her. Ooh, that's like the reunion show kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think Mari's talking like someone who knows that. I think you're right.

I know. Okay. Well, then we get to the point where Demi basically says, how are you breaking up with me? She's so mean. She's so snotty. She's the meanest ever. And you had sex with me. Yes.

Demi has an ego problem, we know that. We do. I mean, it's her entire reaction to everything this season has been because of a bruised ego, I feel. She's just astonish at the fact that, like, maybe she's not somebody's top choice. Yeah, she is definitely not used to hearing no. Like, we can, we can see that. I couldn't say no. Yeah, that's right.

I'm not better than any of this. but um she went in hard i'm just like this was surprising me that she went in so hard on marie instead of just like being more real with kenny like she definitely completely made sure that there was no chance with kenny you know what i mean like going to that route is um i don't i don't know that he even was 100% sure yet but i think she like settled it that he was for him at least that he was making the right decision yeah She's like, I'm so much fun. Ah, how can you not want to be with me?

It was just funny. I'm like, Demi, you're, you have so many sides to you. And sometimes I just, sometimes I'm like, this is, Penn and I talked about this yesterday. But I'm like, I feel like you present yourself as such a tough cookie that you shouldn't even let this bother you. And I can't believe you're letting a guy like Kenny get to you. Yeah. I think Demi's one of those people and this is why she can seem so chaotic on the show

because I do think we try to put everybody in a box and let's be frank most of us fit in a box but I think she's one of the people that can't be like put in a box and so that's why she confuses a lot of people when you're watching because you don't think that she'd come across as desperate but there were multiple times where she comes across

is desperate because she was like let's go the boom boom room and i was like oh my god cringe cringe cringe and then the next morning she was like i think i should go the boom boom room again i'm like oh my god yeah and then and then she cries about feeling being so desperate because she realizes how desperate she was well at least she's self-aware in those moments and i like that that's fun that's true well so then alana actually comes in right can we talk about alana and the fact that she doesn't seem like she has a brain up there? I don't, again, have these people watch this show?

She seems to not have any clue like what is happening or what's going on. One, she just seems like she has a spacey personality. Two, the fact that they ever thought that this plan was going to work in their favor is just demented. I mean, I hate to say it. I'm going to say this.

there's a very clear I think we've seen this before too there's a very clear distinction between like people who maybe left night one or night two who didn't really ever get their chance on like the Bachelor or Bachelorette and that they kind of

they put this bravado out there in their own lives like oh I was on the show and then they come back to Paradise and it's so clear like they just totally screw it up because they're coming in with that same kind of like cockiness almost and all of these other people have been there too and it's like bro why do you think why are you talking like you're special we also were on the show and we you know what I mean like it's almost as if

they're like a little bit embarrassed and then they come in to try and like put this out there I think both of them came in with that almost like overconfident especially thinking that they could get this over on the producers who know everything. It's almost like it was like a reaction of being insecure, though. So like you're saying it's like over cocky, it's being, you know, cocky. But at the same time, I think it's out of insecurity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a response. I think you're right. I think you're right. So, okay, it just seems odd. They never admit it. Unlike Brendan and Piper, we don't have any sound bites of them being like, can you believe how many.

follows i got after the s weekly article and like all that we don't have proof that they actually got together prior to the show for followers but they also don't really deny it at all right yeah they're not really like that's not especially when joe and riley are like going in hard on chris later they're not beating around the bush yeah they're not he's not saying no i didn't do that that because i think that he knows i think i think at that point he's He's like, oh, and Riley even brought up the DMs. I think at that point, he's like, oh, no, who has what? You know what I mean?

Like, you see it on his face, and I really think that's why he's like, I do need to leave. Like, I need to cut my losses because they got me. They caught me. Well, Jesenia makes a point to say that Alana, Alea, Alea, was there when Chris and her initially met in San Diego. So it sounds like there was like this meetup in San Diego where Gisena met Chris and then the only other girl there that was flirting with him as well

was Elena or Alea, sorry guys. And then... But Gisena felt like she had the upper hand on that. She said that Alea was seeming desperate. So I guess it was a turn of events for her to see that obviously he didn't think that she was being desperate and it looks as if they had hung out

multiple times since that group hangout. I didn't look this up. Do you know where Jacenia lives? No, but I know that she was at that San Diego hangout. Yeah, I know that too. I want to know who lives where now. But I, because I feel like that's a big part, that could be a big part of like,

did Chris and Elena, like, were they hanging out and nobody really knew because they just lived close and we're doing it under, like, wraps, kind of. Do you know what I'm saying? Like it is just Sennie living somewhere else like I think Duceni is living somewhere else.

I don't think Dissu is from San Diego. Yeah. No, no. I mean, look, there's a lot of conjecture here. We're like guessing at a lot of things. But I do think I do think that Chris and Atlanta when they're, as we watch their date,

it was like one of the cringiest things you could ever see because I do think that they were like saying what they thought Bachelor people should say. Yeah. It was so cringy. The whole kiss position was also cringy. She just seemed like she had nothing to say. It made me feel so awkward.

And just to backtrack to the party again, if they did have this grand scheme and they planned it out, why not plan it to be a little bit more natural seeming? Yeah. Have a flirt. conversation, show a little interest, but also give Desenia a good part of your attention that night. And then you know that they're going to put Alea back into paradise and you can say yes to a date

without it being so obvious that there was something prior. Yeah, you're so right. I didn't even think about that, but there was no like, here's why I like her. They went straight like tongue and throat. connected that was it wild yeah yeah you're so right two little things left to touch on because we did sort of already talk about the showdown between the mob and chris and i'm scaring them out of paradise uh Aaron and Chelsea go on a date so now Aaron was she was kind of talking to Becca but not so much and now Becca goes on a date with Thomas and they hit it off there's not really any messing of the triangles there, except for the fact that Tammy and Thomas

are now looking like they're over. Right, yeah, completely, exactly. But I will say, I think it was a bold move. That's a bold move by Chelsea to be like, who are you seeing, oh, the former bachelorette? I'm going to take you on a date. Like, I guess, you know, good for you. But that, like, that takes some guts because

then their date really wasn't. Isn't that, like, there's not much to talk about really with it, I would say. No, their date was not much to talk about. They definitely like each other more than Aaron and Becca like each other. I didn't think that Aaron and Becca were ever going to be a thing. It just didn't make sense. It'll be interesting to see what becomes of Becca and Thomas, though, because I still don't feel like there's a lot of time to really get serious.

That was like a golden date move, whoever drew that card up. Because, I mean, there was. Well, I just mean, like, it did look like Becca may not be around based on how things were going. Right. Yes. She needed that door to open. She definitely did. And, like, Thomas, I think, was so, he had been hated on so much.

He was not going to, you know, like, I think he had reserved to put his tail between his legs and was, like, going to stay with Tammy. And then they just wouldn't be together. But I think he was like, he was like, I'm going to enjoy the screen time, but not tippany apple cards but he couldn't say no to that right no not at all and i don't even think he looks bad going on the date with becca because he and tammy just seemed like people who were like making out and having fun we were never like going to consider them a strong couple no interesting that we're not seeing a lot of tia which kind of disappoints me i think tia is very interesting fun to watch

and she always like she gets fun after like two drinks and says some she she and raven both the We know they're friends. After two drinks, they've got like some Southern saying that nobody's ever heard before. And I do want like amidst all this drama, it is nice to have some lightheartedness. And I do hope that comes back. I hope we've got some lightheartedness in the future.

Me too. Yeah. And then, okay, so let's talk about how Chris and Elia are basically kicked out of paradise. They intimidate them enough to be like, you know, we know that you came here. together where you live we know what bunk you sleep in yeah so get out of here watch out in the middle of the night and you know this was the grand plan because just then he was like can we vote them off

the island and i was like oh my god this is going to be the first time we're like the cast freaks somebody out in order to have them leave and i wonder is this is wells kept teasing like there was something that we had never going to that we have never seen before in paradise that we were going to see this season like getting forward out. Yeah. Like, is that it? Maybe it is. This is like, I mean, look, actually, this just came to me. Joe's been looking like he's on Survivor the whole time. He might have been watching too much and he's going to merge the two shows, I guess, for us. I don't know. I mean, look, I don't see how people lay off of Brendan like after this, especially with some of the

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Okay, so we are talking about how Brendan is just never going to seemingly recover from this because he just said too many outrageous things on Monday night's episode and I'm going to pull up my Bachelor Data profile here on Instagram. We had this girl who runs the Instagram Bachelor Data on the podcast, I think back in May. and the stats from today are absolutely unbelievable. Well, it's actually quite believable, but it's believable and unbelievable at the same time. Especially, you know what I love? Yeah. Perfect karma for people who clearly were trying to get more followers.

I know. It's crazy how many people got on their phones last night, and I was like, okay, I am going to unfollow these people who just came here for followers. 37,000 so far have unfollowed Brendan. He's now below the amount of followers that he even entered Paradise with. Oh, he is. Yes, he has now downgraded himself to post-Bachelorette numbers.

Then we have Piper, who doesn't seem as affected. She looks like she's dropped, she dropped 4,000 overnight. So it's not sizable, but like compared to her following, it's sizable because she has less than 100,000 to begin with. Brendan had about 330 something thousand followers to begin with. All right. But the biggest jump of the night was Natasha, who gained in the past less than 24 hours, 104,000 followers. And it's funny because I started following Natasha. Tasha last night, and I went to go unfollow Brendan, and I realized I was never following

Brendan. Oh, there you go. As it should be, though, because you should not, if this is your goal, come on. You know, like the number one sin, it's like perfect, you know, circling back. Like the number one sin on the show is just lying when clearly everyone knows your you know it's so hard to cover this up everybody had already seen some of these articles and things this was not something that they were going to skillfully be able to sweep under the covers you know no no no and and Brendan really set himself up for some

you know well-do response by just saying all the things he said to Natasha I know you guys already covered this but like as as it should be good work bachelor nation He does poke fun at himself on his most recent Instagram, which was a teaser for last night's episode. It says, here for the wrong reasons. At least he's able to sort of laugh at himself. I don't know if I call it that. I don't know.

I call that doubling down. That's doubling down. Yeah, okay. Okay, well, so I think the big question here is, Why were Chris and Alea kicked out, peer-pressured out? And as Natasha brings up at the end of the episode, nobody's trying to kick out Piper and Brendan. Is it because Brendan was like their boy and he was around since the very beginning?

I know. They created too much of a relationship to be that mad. I mean, a lot of hypocrisy there. She's definitely right. Yeah. I hope we see something. And I think even more so, I do too, because I think even more so with the secret miced-up conversation that we saw that was that they didn't realize. Like, the other people didn't know that they had that conversation.

And now that we know it. That's true, because if you followed everybody on Twitter yesterday, there was people like Tammy and Demi, everybody was like freaking out saying jaw on the ground because they had never seen that mic'd up conversation. So they probably didn't think it was as bad as we. the audience thought finding out about their little scheme because because as the audience we think that their scheme is worse than the chris in LA's game totally yeah because they're just really bad cheesy actors but like the other thing there is the the receipts nobody had to go looking for they they dropped them right in front of the cameras for us so so crazy I All right, well, we have some Bachelor headlines.

Our first one is, I'm glad we're clearing this up. Grocery Store Joe, Joe Mablay, clarifies whether or not he and Kendall Long were engaged. So many cast members said, like, oh, his ex-fiance, ex-fiance, you guys, they were never engaged. He said this week on social media, I was not engaged. And that, that's all you got. Yeah, I thought that was weird that people. thought that they kept going yeah yeah i mean could keep it in yeah they were they yeah they were they were together but for a long time it was a serious enough relationship where i think they could

have gotten engaged but they were not oh grocery store joe also just like some tweets calling out his ex kendall long oh this is interesting i know okay i think that was mafia store Joe, Mafia Mafia Joe Grocery store Joe is always just different Okay, so here are the tweets that he liked from a random girl

Give him to me That hey butthead line made me want to cut my eyeballs and ears off And again I'm team Thomas and team Joe and Serena are a beautiful couple

okay so they're not really harsh but they're obvious points to the fact that kendall and joe are not together yeah i think he should like he should have been annoyed that she showed up and was like stirring the pot i think kind of unnecessarily you know because like i can see as a viewer now the fact that we're not seeing her like try to or like connect with anybody it kind of makes it almost more annoying like that ex who just decides to force a conversation on you that doesn't necessarily like need to be had um i don't know i could i could see being annoyed by that so i see i see both of like i see frustrations on all their side i see like everything from the joe and kendall storyline for multiple sides i just feel very invested in there and

like there's too much emotion for me to even like really take it apart yeah i oh i'm not i'm not saying this to like blame kendall by the way no yeah i'm just saying i get his frustration with liking one tweet like that oh yeah of yeah i make that makes sense that's fine and nobody ever thinks that they're going to like have people look at their favorite it yeah even even though we should we shouldn't think that people are going to do that that's like the next after bachelor data That's going to be the next, like, what tweets did Bachelor people? I got scared to, like, like, anything for a while. Because I don't want people over-analyzing anything.

And our last Bachelor headline is Kelly Flanagan shares a health update amidst Lyme disease battle. She said, I wanted to pop in and thank every single one of you that has been messaging me. I know this is a very controversial thing. She said whether it's documentaries, books, you name it, I'm looking up everything and trying to keep my life super, super clean in terms of food, makeup, skin care, detergents, toothpaste, and getting all the toxins out of my life. She says that she's feeling better.

And again, I just want to thank every single one of you who has messaged me because this is a very, very strange road to go down. And there's not much research on it. I hope that she finds something that. helped i have one friend you know it sucks that we don't have it yeah i have one friend that's been down that road and it is not like that is a very tough thing to go through because there's just not many answers yeah feel for her no and it can like it has such a huge range of symptoms yeah because you know ryan sutter has it too and he was just like it's like for him it just felt

debilitating totally it can can cause a lot of damage so sad i know all right well guys Derek has been a co-hosts for me. We'd love to have you any time that Ben has to step out because you have such great insight into the show. And you are so honest. And we, of course, always appreciates the unfiltered life. I'm always sticking my foot in my mouth in some future in time. Well, that's what makes you interesting. And if we don't mess up, you know, if we don't say stupid things sometimes, then we're probably just boring. Amen to that. Yeah. All right. Well, guys, thank you so much for joining us. Until next time, I've been Ashley. I've been Derek. Yay. Did I get it right?

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