The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Bachelor Nation Reveals Secrets from Inside the Sorority

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

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From pre-gaming rituals to legendary pre-party moments, we are diving deep into the chaos, laughs, and memories that make sorority and fraternity life unforgettable. Today we are pre-partying with Bachelor Nation before Jingle Ball. They are here to spill all the stories from the good old college days and give us the inside scoop on the ultimate pre-party scene. So we have with us now, drum roll please, the beautiful Trista Sutter. Hello, my gorgeous friend.

Hi. Hi. I'm so sad I'm not seeing you. person. Yeah, I know. So am I. You should be here with us. Doesn't feel right. I would love that. Well, listen, you can't party with us at Jingle Ball, but we're going to talk about partying and you and college. Trista, where did you go to school? Indiana University for undergrad and then I went to Miami for graduate school. And what sorority were you in? I was in Alpha Chi Omega. Okay. Did you ever, or I'm sure you did do a lot of pre-gaming in your day? Well, I could, so for football games, we couldn't, because I, or I couldn't because I was a red stepper.

I, you know, danced at the halftime at the football games. So I could never go to like tailgating or anything for football games. Right. But, you know, if there was any other pre-gaming, yeah. Did they call it? Like, I don't know, because you're younger than me, a lot younger than me. Not a lot. That's not true.

I am not a lot younger than you. I'm 50, I'm 53. You are? Am I? I am. Bob Guinea just told me he was 54. He's like, are you sure? You're 53?

Wow. Well, I'm 57, so you're still a baby to me. See? No, but yeah, you're right. We're right around the same age. I mean, if I was a freshman, we could have been at the same school if at the same time. 53, 54, 55, 56. Yes, that's very true.

And they did not call it pre-gaming when I was in college. Do they call it that? That's what they call it now. That's what they call it now. Oh, you don't know that term? No, I don't know that term. Krista. That's going to be hard since that's what this podcast is about. So let me define it. And by the way, I'm sure I'm not going to define it well. But whatever. Well, we'll, okay. So it's when you party first. It's the party before the party. So, and you're going to find out more about that very soon when your kids go to college is my guess. Yes. Although I think my kids started saying it in high school. So before a football game, but even before a party. I feel like I mean, don't we do that? Like I was just going to. a dinner, a big dinner, and a friend of mine invited a bunch of us to have like cocktail hour

before we went to the. So it's like pre-gaming. Yes. That is pre-game. That is. In essence, I think that is what pre-gaming is. And, but in college, I feel like it has, for these guys, it has just this whole, this, this meaning to it. It's like so exciting to go to the pre-game and you want to go because you want to have a couple drinks, maybe take the edge off. Yeah. It's like a, you know, it's kind of like a ritual there. So. So, well, for our sake, and anyone who's listening who is around our age, did you have parties before the parties? Listen, I don't remember a lot because I'm, I'm 53, but what I do remember is that, yes,

if there was a party, then we were there, my friends and I, you know. And I feel like we did go to, like, the late night parties, especially when I lived in Miami, we went, and, you know, I, of course, wasn't in sorority life at that point. Right. But I feel like you went. went out so late when you were in college or after that, yes, if you get together and there's something else going on, you'd have, you know, a quick drink or a roadie or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, yeah, us too. So did you ever start out the night in college? And I'm sure the answer is yes, like it is for all of us, all good intentions and not make it to the actual party? Because I think that's... Oh, 1,000 percent. Yeah, of course. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's, I'm kind of thinking that maybe I shouldn't be saying all this because maybe my kids will listen and then they're going to be like, oh, well, mom, mom did pregaming. Guess what? They're going to know you did pregaming pretty quickly. So you're not going to be able to hide it. that's true um but in you know in college i was old enough in high school not so much but yeah i feel like you definitely have good intentions of maybe having a drink or two and then if you're having lots of fun and you just keep the pregame gaming yeah why not yeah well that's what we we talked about with some of these kids that um and they're actually the kids from the bachelor and the Bachelorette that I've been talking to.

Stop. Like who? So talk to, well, Bob Guinea is certainly not a kid, but we just talked to Jonathan, Charity, Mercedes. It's interesting because they have so many specifics, right, about this. So stories of them going to the pregame and somebody was telling me just now about, who was it? No, it was Charity, how she had 12 vodka shots at one particular. pregame and then got on the back of a pickup truck to go to the actual party and clearly didn't

make it. And then how to use the brassy hook where they, she got so sick. She had to put her, that's what they called the fingers down the throat. I don't know, Trista. I don't know what to tell you. The brassy hook. The brassy hook. They got names for everything. I had no clue. Yeah, yeah. I mean, okay, so listen, I didn't ever do 12 vodka shots in pregame, but we did have a tradition at Indiana on your, 21st birthday to do 21 shots. And I think I got to 19 and I was so mad because my friends were like, you guys have to, you have to go home. You are not going to do two more shots. And I was like, what? It's, it's my 21st birthday. I want to end up in the hospital. Right. It's not a

birthday. It's not a 21st if I don't end up hospitalized. Right. And actually, my sorority sister on her 21st birthday. Same thing. She tried to do 21. I don't know if she made it or not, but we get back to the sorority house and she gets up. I think someone had laid her down just said, go to sleep. She gets up and tries to go to the bathroom and walks right into the doorframe and broke her nose. Eish. That'll definitely wake you up if you're in a, you know, a drunk and stupor. Yeah, so it'll be right up. My son was actually, we were in South Carolina. And he was out, first 21st, and he projectile vomited, I guess, across, like, a whole bar of people. Yeah, it was not a good scene.

So, right. Beware of the 21st, young listeners. Oh, yeah, stay far away. Yeah. Did you ever do anything, like a little torrid, like, you know, right before, did you ever drink too much? And I know you did, because we all did. hook up with the wrong guy. Yeah.

Well, yeah. I mean, of course. Yeah. I'm trying to come up with questions because the truth is we didn't really officially pregame. We didn't officially pregame. It's not like a, it's,

I mean, it was a thing. Like we would have, when we lived, not in our sorority house, but when we lived in like a house on campus or off campus, we would have like, what did we call him?

It wasn't pregame drinks, but it was, gosh, I wish I knew the term. We would have cocktails, like, just before, as we were getting ready. Right. You know what I mean? So if that's considered pre-gaming, then, yeah. Well, one of these kids, there were adults, I shouldn't really say that, but one of them said that his pre-gaming started in the shower.

He would get, like, I don't even know what he was talking about. He was, somebody was handing him drinks as he was, like, bathing. Like, well, that's a way to pre-game. Well, I feel like we did that. Like my girlfriends and I would, if we were on girls trips, even to this day, I feel like if we're on a girl's trip and we would just have a cocktail. Like we would have someone like maybe if we're staying at a hotel, have them bring it up to our room while we're getting ready in the bathroom. Lady, half the people here that I'm talking to have come in with cocktails before Jingle Ball. Exactly.

Right. They're parading them in front of me. It's actually not very nice because I have gotten nothing. That's not very nice. I know. They're walking in with scotch and mimosa and everything else. I know. That's not very nice. They should ask you what you want. Rude. Or you should require it. Hey, if you're going to walk in this room, you better

bring me a dream. Don't you worry. Somebody was talking about how they try to pregame with espresso martinis because just kind of know that it's going to, it'll keep you awake. So I don't drink coffee or really caffeine for that matter. So I, yeah, I can't do one of those drinks. Do you survive without caffeine? Does it give you headaches or something? Yeah. I don't like it. don't. I'm, it does not go well with my body and my head or anything. Yeah. So I don't. But, but, um, but yeah, bring me a Moscow mule or, um, a glass of wine or something. Although wine tends to like, if I'm drinking red, which is my drink, it makes me tired. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to

start with a cocktail. But what is that saying? Um, liquor before beer, never fear. So then beer before liquor, never sicker. Yeah. Yeah. We also talked about that. See, look, we are vibing with the youngens. That's exactly, yeah. We know. We know. We know better than they do. I mean, we've, we've lived too.

I know. A lot longer. We've lived a lot longer. I tell my kids that all the time. I know you think that I don't know anything and that I'm just like a big dork, but believe me when I tell you, I'm laughing at you. Okay. Exactly.

I know. I know these things. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a little scared because of what I know, like, like for my 21st birthday, when I did the 19 shots. I actually, I remember this, there was a pay phone. If that doesn't age you, what does? Oh. There was a pay phone in the bathroom of this, like, bar that we were at. You did a drunk dialing, didn't you? I called my mom on my 21st birthday. And I was like,

Mom, I did 19 shots. You'd be so proud of me. And she was like, what? Oh my God. I can't sleep tonight. Trista, I have to tell you something. It tracks so beautifully that you drunk dial your mom. Like you are that sweet, adorable, all-American girl. Like I was drunk dialing any guy that would pick up the phone. It didn't matter. Please, tell me you love me. And you're like drunk dialing your mother. It's just perfect. Yeah. I drink that of my mom. Oh, lucky mom. That is so funny. I've never thought about it. And I'll bet your daughter. I'll bet you're the mother. Your daughter will be doing the same. My daughter wouldn't drunk dial me if I was the last person on her.

She's not stupid because I wouldn't handle it like your mother. You get your ass home right now. She did handle it really well. Oh yeah. I would be like, what? I'm coming there right now. Tell me where you are. I'm flying there.

No, my mom was great. She was great. Clearly. And didn't. Well, at least I don't remember what she said. Right. How could you? How could you?

All right, lady, thank you for coming on. We miss you here. I know. I tell everyone hi, give everyone a hug. I certainly will. I certainly will. Okay. Talk soon.

Love you. Thanks for the chat. Okay. Bye, anybody. Bye, Annie. So next. So next, we have the beautiful. So next, we have the beautiful.

beautiful Gabby L. Nikki, thank you so much for coming on. And you, if I read my notes correctly, went to the University of Mississippi. I did. I went to Ole Miss. Hotty toddy. Wow. What sorority were you in? I was a pie-fi. Okay. So I'm sure that most of our listeners know, like, that is the place I think to go. I went to University of Texas. So like those southern schools and their Greek life, it's huge. Oh, yeah. It's huge. So Ole Miss, it's insane. Right? It's, like, so intimidating. And I'm from Vermont. So, like, we don't have sororities where I'm from.

And when I got to Ole Miss, I was like, oh, my gosh, is there like a group chat I'm not a part of? Like, I didn't have the recommendation letters. I didn't have anything. It was the most intimidating thing of my life. The whole rush process. Yes. Yeah. And my Gamma Kai is the one who wrote my recommendation letter and got me into Pi-Fi.

But I didn't want to be a PIFI at least. We have to do this. We honestly, like, because I love these stories. This is part of what is so wonderful and fascinating to me. about Dirty Rush, about our podcast. It's just that journey is so different for everyone. But we are talking about something a little different today. We are talking about pre-gaming.

I love it. So, and I've had only a couple of guests. Well, two, I want to say Trista and Bob, who are both a little older than you. And the three of us were kind of commiserating. Never heard that term when we were younger, right? So it's new for us. But clearly, you went to college and you did a lot of that. Oh, we did.

Oh, we pre-gamed hard. All right. So tell me a little bit about what that looked like. Okay, well, first of all, in Oxford, Mississippi, when I went to school there, the bars closed at midnight. So you had to start pre-gaming at, like, 5 p.m. So you, like, got out of class and then you, like, started your pre-gaming. Okay.

So it's a marathon, not a sprint. That's what we always said, is it's a marathon, not a sprint, and we never lost a party because we were terrible at football that season, or all the seasons that I went there, actually. And, I mean, we had a party house. We used to call it like a frat house. It was a gorgeous frat house. I mean, very nicely decorated. And we kept it clean.

But we always threw the big pre-games. I was in charge of the music. So you can actually have alcohol at the house? Well, I didn't live in the sorority house. But you still had, oh, your house. I'm sorry. I thought you met the sorority house. Legally, I maybe wasn't of age every year.

But we did have the alcohol there. Not in the sorority house. Got it. We couldn't even have men. in the sorority house. In Mississippi, it's considered a brothel, actually, if you have men in your sorority house. Wow.

Yeah, it was crazy. But pre-beaming, I mean, some of the videos I have are probably incriminating. We would be on our countertile. I mean, it was crazy. Because you couldn't be on elevated surfaces, as you know, in a sorority. I don't know what you're talking about.

We would get sent to standard. We didn't even have standard. Yes. I'm going to get sent to standards right now. Believe me, when I tell you, we'd be doing this podcast for a minute. Everyone talks about the stuff. No, we would get sent.

I'll get you, like, thrown out of, well, I guess you're out of your story now. Anyway. Am I no longer an alumni? Like, they're going to kick me out of the alumni. No. No, but we would get sent to standards. If you were on elevated surfaces, if you were swearing on your social media, they would comment like a little, like, angel emoji or like a heart.

And it would be like, we're watching you. Yeah. Okay. And then you get sent to standards. You have the whole panel there. I did get sent to standards. You did. Yes.

Not for, like, dancing on elevated surfaces. I swore on my Snapchat story once. and I got sent to standards for that, but it was okay. You lived to tell the story. Yeah, I mean, it's, we're here now. It's fine. Listen, I mean, I think that pre-gaming, from what I've been hearing, is like, kind of like the time to get wild and maybe like, you know.

It's arguably more fun than the park. Yeah, that's a lot. You're not alone in saying that. Because you choose the music. We used to have a karaoke machine. I mean, we would go so hard. We had guitar hero. We had just dance.

I mean, we were going so hard at the pregame. Like, no one wanted to leave. Right. Then we go to the bar. and then we have the post game. So then everyone would come over after the bars because they closed at midnight. So we would just party at our house

after the bars too. It was so fun. I wish I could go back. Did you have like a signature drink? Look at that look on your face. You totally had a signature drink. It was so dependent on what mood I wanted to spring out. Like what alter ego do I want to be tonight?

Right. I am, people think I'm a psycho. I love gin. I love gin. And I loved it in college. Like truly I might be crazy. Um, so like if I was feeling really wild, I would do a gin tonic. Um, otherwise my drink was vodka red bowl. Sugar free. Always vodka red bull. Game days of vodka rebel. Well, a lot of, um, a lot of our

guests have said that like an espresso martini is the way to go because then you get some stamina from that, right? But I guess a red bull too. We didn't have that really. Like back, I don't know, like I guess it was like eight years ago now. Right. They didn't really do that. We didn't really do that. Right. So like, you weren't going to the bar and asking for an espresso martini. I was like vodka, Red Bull, sugar-free, because you can't have that much sugar. Right. And it gives you wings. It really does.

It gives you wings? Yeah, their slogans, like, Red Bull gives you wings. It truly does. I got to have one before Jingle Ball tonight. You should. I mean, you forget Red Bull exists, I think. I never was a... And then you try one, you're like, this is actually exactly what I needed.

It gives you wings. And toss some vodka in there, you're so good. Did you ever not make it to the game game? Because the pregame got too out of control. It's a marathon, not a sprint. You will get there. You just have to rally. Give us a little bit of the specifics of that.

So you, did you pace yourself? Did you know going in? Only have one, an hour, only. It's more just like, just you can like sleep when you're dead. Like, just get with it. Really? It's just like you have your girls and it's like, okay, you're like a little drunk. Okay, it's fine.

Just like have a water or just have the Red Bull. Maybe no vodka. And then you're like good. I mean. I always made it to the event. I feel proud of you, strangely. I don't know what that's about. But like, I don't know.

I'm proud of you that you could just keep drinking for hours. Well, I think you just become so conditioned when you're in SEC school from like game days because they start at 7 a.m. So like you start pre-gaming at 7 a.m. You have your chick filet and you've got a mimosa and you start and then you just, I don't know, you just kind of figure it out. I mean, I guess you learn your limits pretty quick. Ole Miss was actually the most fun time. You talk about a pregame, like you should go to a pregame there, actually.

Like the growth. I'm trying to think how I'm going to justify that to just show up at a pregame somewhere at Ole Miss. Let's just go. Please, please. No, it's so, it's so fun. If there's one college town you should go to, it is Oxford.

They call it the velvet ditch because it's in the middle of Mississippi and Mississippi's not really that gorgeous, maybe the coast. But it's this beautiful town in the middle of like nothing. Wow. And it's so great.

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Check out not my best moment with me, Kevin on stage on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. Wait, you're engaged. Sorry, guys. We're going to go back to pre-part. Look at you. We sort of have the same ring. Wait, really? Yes. I love it. Gorgeous. Okay, sorry. Let's focus. Yeah, I know. All right. So pre-gaming, was there any particular music that you guys love during pre-gaming? Should I bring on my Spotify? Yeah. I mean, I was listening to my college pre-game playlist on the way here. Oh, okay. So I drove up from Newport this morning and I actually was listening to my college pre-game. Please tell. And what's a lot? And what's the game? on it. A lot of rap, but like also EDM. My, my friends, I'm sorry, just,

is it the electric? Electric dance music. Got it. Okay. Okay. Okay. I mean, that's just what rolled off the tongue. I think that is what it is. Right. But like not like aggressive, like, not like Scrillux, like, wow, like not too much. Right. But like fun remixes. We love this thing called Big Booty Mix. There was one version of Big Booty Mix we would listen to and it's basically a mashup of every bangor song that you love. And they put it into this mix that's like the best mix ever. And honestly, that's what will keep you going.

Can you send it to me? Yeah. I will. They have so many volumes of it. I mean, I don't know what they'll actually listen to it, but I feel cool just having it. Yeah.

It's on SoundCloud. It's not a big deal. Okay. I could just get it. Yeah. I mean, SoundCloud's like, I feel like kind of under the radar.

I don't know what SoundCloud is. SoundCloud was big when we were in college. It was like where you could find like remixes that weren't actually released. But people, really thought it was like so good on ox but really was big booty mix all right what about i'm a fraud i'm actually a fraud i'm again all this way over way over my how about this maybe i'll i'll be able to relate to did you eat it pre-gaming was there always food just to make sure you were coating your stomach or no okay we had girl dinner okay was obviously buttered noodles with a little bit of parm not obviously really

i don't know i never okay so you just wanted to get the carbs in so fridays at the sorority house were called fried fridays okay so we'd go and get fried friday And we would load up, like, to go boxes with, like, fried mac and cheese bites, curly fries. Like, the most disgusting stuff ever. But, like, when you came home from the bars, it was not disgusting. I mean, we were, like, cooking it up. I also used to make this stuff called drunk pasta. I called my drunk pasta.

I mean, it was fire when I made it. I made it for my parents once. Well, what is it? I think so. Honestly, I couldn't even tell you. It was some sort of, like, fetichine Alfredo nonsense. But I made it from scratch. Like, I was like, like, cooking up a roux.

Wow. And then, like, it was, it was ridiculous. Did you, was it all for afterwards or were you trying to coat your stomach before? That was all after. Okay. Before we would just do buttered noodles, something light, but some carbs. Right. So you feel a little bit full, but like, you're not actually full.

Were you pre-gaming? Were you always pre-gaming with the guys? Was it ever just girls? No, it was usually just girls. It was, really? Yeah. Yeah, we were like girl gang. That's so interesting because I know for my daughter, it was always like,

Pre-gaming. Well, maybe it wasn't. Maybe she was going over to friends' apartments and stuff. Yeah, it was always the girls, unless it was a formal or like a mixer or something like that. Then we were pre-game with the guys. But, or like if somebody had like a boyfriend, they would come. Sure. But it was always the girls and then the guys would meet us at the bar. And then afterwards, we would collectively go to like one person's house or the other. Do you think it was to talk to, okay, I'm getting, it's been a lot of talking about pre-gaming today. But do you think that part of the pregame, the purpose of it is to, take the edge off because you are going to go hang out with the guys and just to sort of like loosen up a little. Yeah. I mean, definitely. Yeah. Right? Like you don't want to go somewhere stone cold sober. I mean, if I had to go to a bar sober, oh my God, no. I wouldn't do it today and I wouldn't have done it then. I mean, I guess I would have if I was like sick or something. I'm not going to miss the party. But it's just not as fun. It's so loud. People are

bumping into you. Girl, I think you give this is, these tips are invaluable. I need, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I think. I've actually gotten an unbelievable tips. Unfortunately, I'm 57 years old and probably not getting invited to a pregame anytime soon. I'll invite you. Thank you. But I feel like you guys need to write a manual. I know. It's true. Honestly. Yeah. Pre-gaming 101. Right. What to do for the pre-game. The masterclass starts now. Amen. Okay. I love it. I'm going to make a TED talk, actually. I think it's brilliant. I think it's the most interesting subject I've ever heard. It's true. I feel like people don't know. They don't. And they need to. It's not right. And also like even just mixology in general. Yes.

Like, you can have a nice drink and it can be cheap. Yeah, really? Like what? Bocker Rebel. Hmm. Yeah, it's not that expensive. It's not? No.

Well, I got to go now. I got things to do. I got to go to 7-Eleven. I got to go mix it up. Yes, baby. Thank you for coming in. Thanks for having me. I have a feeling you are going to have the best time at Jingle Ball.

I hope so. I'm not at all worried about to go pregame, but. That's my girl. All right. We'll talk soon. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Gabby.

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