The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Bachelor OGs

Episode Date: July 7, 2020

Ben reveals the question everyone’s been asking him since Matt James was announced as the next Bachelor… and we have the answer for you! This week, we re-watched the first seasons of the Bachelor and Bachelorette!We go back in time with Bob Guiney discovering secrets no one knew. we ask him about the rumored “Bachelor Bible” that’s passed between leads.And fan favorite from Trista’s season, Jamie Blyth, tells us what it was like to be a contestant on the very first Bachelorette season! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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be remembered when somebody comes out to me they go oh i've watched this since trista's season right that's what they say Alex doesn't get brought up very much anymore there's reasons for that we'll talk about it with bob guinea later in the podcast but like Alex hasn't shown up and trista still has continued to be like a building block and and a rock for the franchise for the last you know how many years 17 18 years she's just one of those staples like when people think of the franchise i think of Trista. I mean, and they should after so many years of marriage. Definitely, 100%. It was a great thing to watch. We'll talk about it throughout the whole podcast. But let's start Ashley once again with hot topics in Bachelor Nation. This is one of

our favorite segments and listeners you've written us in and said it's one of years as well. And there's definitely hot topics to talk about today, including this one, which might be, maybe the one we need to dive into the most, a lot of opinions here that we've gotten about the Cassie and Colton breakup. This headline, reads Cassie Randolph says she's had an awful few months following breakup with Colton Underwood what I didn't realize until seeing this article Cassie was off Instagram for a whole 30 days how did I not realize that yeah I didn't know it either now one is I'm I don't follow social media well yeah but like you would notice it right like that would see because I love Cassie's

Cassie's like one of the people that I actually like really watch her stories and I like every single picture. So she was gone for 30 days because dealing with social media and the trolls because so many people were coming at her as being like the cause of the breakup with Colton and nobody really understanding what went down that she was like, nope, I'm going to get out of this for a while. So I mean, let's let's dive into this. We're going to make some assumptions, which is never healthy or good. but does it feel i mean it feels like cassie has definitely taken this pretty hard like and it says it in the interview like this has been really tough on her so much so that she's had to delete social media now colton on the hand um who was the one that got broken up with at least that we think right i mean why why is that that we assume that we all do i think it's

been the rumor now i know how this goes down but is it because of the past because we saw them on the bachelor and how he needed to chase her and she wasn't like 100% there. Are we just assuming that she ended up never being 100% there? Well, that's the first assumption we should probably like shut down amongst everybody's. I don't think we know. And I know that even having a breakup publicly, people start assuming things like, oh, why did you have to end it? You know, oh, you definitely ended it.

And neither one of them, I think they both have respect for each other enough to like not want to come out and be like, oh, this is how actually went down. It's not our business. We don't need to know. But what is intriguing is that Cassie felt like she had to delete social media because it was so hard. Yeah. And Cassie did go and talk to Chris Harrison on last night's episode. And she was super vague.

She was like, I don't want to talk about this. And it was like, Cass, you cute little thing. The only reason they're having you on right now is to talk about what possibly happened between you and Colton. But she was so respectful of him and their privacy. see, I loved it. I thought it was super tasteful. She didn't budge. She didn't care that Harrison kept kind of prying. She's like, what happened between us is going to stay between us, but it hasn't been easy for either of us. She said that they're both in close, you know, that they're in close contact. They're still very friendly, but no reasoning as to why they broke up. She does

say in her Instagram caption when she returned to the platform a couple days ago, that she just didn't want to deal with constant drama, fake articles, nasty DMs, and comments and rumors started by people who feel entitled to her personal life. She says it takes incredible strength to shrug off strangers who regularly criticize your character based on conclusions that they drew while watching an edited TV show. I could say so much here, but it just feels like an uphill battle. This is tough. breakups are really hard in this franchise especially when they're public um you know i don't think colton has deleted social media no he's been pretty active so the breakup yes has been hard and then you know i'm sure doesn't help it it never helps when then rumors start swirling you know like

there's already been colton and mattis mattie rumors oh yes because of their like comments back and forth on social media that happened i mean it felt like right afterwards i don't i don't know the exact timeline i imagine for cassie it is like hurtful i imagine not not that colton or mattie are doing anything wrong but i do imagine that seeing that brings about a pain that you don't want to feel and set yourself up for the bottom line here is that the two of them are dealing with having a breakup but a breakup that is in public and neither of them have to have had to have had to do that before and be gentle on them and don't assume i know that we started out this with an assumption and then we said but we don't know so don't assume and like blame people for a story

you don't have any part of well our assumption is this our assumption is that we don't know the truth you know that's our assumption is that we just don't know be gentle to them both and it sounds like cassie i mean especially after watching that interview like you know being to the situation is a necessary thing for all of Bachelor Nation. This is not easy. Well, speaking of exes and breakups during Bachelor Nation, Caitlin Bristow says that she believes ex-Shahn Booth is holding on to anger, reveals he ignored her text about late dog.

Yeah, so I was wondering, I didn't ask Caitlin, but I was wondering whether she was going to reach out to Sean when his dog died, Tucker, I have a guest a month or so ago. and she said she did on Becca and Tanya's podcast but that he didn't respond so she so from that she says I play this scenario in my head more than I should because first of all I think and again I'm not trying to speak for him and I don't know but I truly think that he just will never understand me or respect certain decisions and I think that he's just going to hold on to some anger with me that's how I feel so I would be nervous because I would probably

probably play nice. This is if they were to run into each other. If they were to run into each other in real life around Nashville, which is actually shocking that it hasn't happened yet, because I feel like Nashville is that kind of community where you just like keep running into people, especially of like their celebrity status. She goes, so that's just how I feel I would be nervous because I would probably play nice, even though he hurt me so terribly and things that I've never even talked about publicly. I hold on to anger too. And I know that if I saw him i wouldn't be able to be like whatever um that's just not me the this whole thing again i mean i don't want to keep bringing back my experience i would be so and actually tell me if

i'm crazy listeners tell me if i'm crazy but when i have an ex especially one that's a a long-term x a meaningful x living in like i have this little fear that i'm going to run into him again and it's like something i like dread like i would never want to to live in a town the size of Nashville, which is a massive, with somebody who I dated for so long, knowing that at any given time, I could run into them. I'm sure Caitlin's a bigger person than me, but like that for me just sounds really scary. Well, I mean, she's saying it's scary and I hope it doesn't happen because I won't be able to fake it. I won't be able to fake nice. Okay, good. So she's one of all of us. Yeah. Yeah, because I just like that is like one of my, I have these weird

moments and especially you know i've i've talked about on the podcast before where i was in new york right after the breakup and lauren was across the street right and it was like goodness in new york oh your heart sinks so uh she feels like sean's holding on to anger uh you know i know this is again one of those situations we don't know a lot about it's a breakup we don't want to dive into the drama of how it existed and what happened there but it is something that she's publicly announced now um yeah and i also want to read what she said about Tucker's passing and how she dealt with that with Sean. She said, obviously I was devastated for him because that was just like his absolute

best friend. And I thought for sure he would have reached out to me to say either, hey, we're going to put him down or hey, I didn't want you to have to find out through Instagram or something like that. But I can't hold that against him. She said, everybody grieves so differently. And I don't think I would want to talk to anybody in the world if I lost one of my dogs because it would just be like it would just be so not I would just be so not okay but I did reach

out to him and I said something like I'm so sorry if you need to talk I'm devastated I can't imagine how you feel and he didn't respond yeah I mean come on you know I don't know how to I don't know how to handle breakups everybody does it differently but that doesn't sound like the two of them have seen each other and that's a good takeaway from this is they have not yet ran into each other in Nashville. And I pray they don't. Yeah, we don't want to form either. Well, hey, final headline of this week feels like, come in, come on. Tyler Cameron invited model at Jalissa and Zoltko to stay with him after flirting on Instagram. How do we know this? How do we know that he invited her to stay with him? Or do we just know. Cosmopolitan's telling us. Yes. Or do we just know that the two of them

have stayed together. Okay, so we all know that Tyler is playing the field right now. He is definitely, I wouldn't imagine that he settles down with one person right now. I think I'm going to assume here

he's having too much fun but according to Cosmo in E-News, Jalissa? Jolissa took the trip from very far away Miami to visit him in Jupiter. It's like, I don't know, is it two hours away? Um, and they connected through social media.

They, you know, they're, they've been hanging out for a few days. Apparently things are casual, definitely into each other. But the bottom line is he's, she's been hanging at the house with Matt James and doing normal Florida things like going out in the boat. They've been going out to eat, hang out each other's houses. They have a good chemistry according to this source on a strong flirtation, but like I have assumed, Tyler doesn't want anything serious right now. I read yesterday somewhere that it looks like the two of them have gone to the Bahamas. Well, that's pretty big step. So that's sounding serious. That's a pretty big step. Well, speaking of Matt James, my final opinion piece of the hot topics, Ashley,

two things here. One is I haven't. This is your hot topic? Like you just came up with it? This is my hot topic. Okay. Yeah. I have never received more text or phone calls from friends of mine being asked to be

signed up for the bachelor this season than I have this next upcoming season. Matt James is a hot topic in himself. Hot commodity. And I do know from a few people that know him personally really well, went to college with him and have known him after. It sounds like Matt is the total package. It sounds like he is a great guy, super athletic, super nice, very, very kind to those around him. And so, hey, he is a hot commodity.

It sounds like he should be a hot commodity. And it also feels, I mean, if I were to guess, the Bachelor is not going to have a hard time casting for his season. So when it's a good casting season, it's typically a really good season. yes and i want to also say that i've had friends who've reached out to me and been like i've never i've always like debated the idea of signing up for the show but now that matt is announced like this is the time for me this is the time for matt james and hey it should be well hey that's all we have for bachelor hot topics we'll take one more break when we come back we're going to speak with bob guinea yes bob guinea who is a friend to the almost

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And it wasn't like one guy. All the men, including Chris Harrison and Alex the lead, were wearing the most awful baggy suits. And I had no idea that was the trend early in the 2000s. Baggy unfitted suits? I had no clue either. But it is like, how unflattering. They were. No, I'm not a fashion guy. Like, I'm not. I tried to, like, watch and be the best I can, but, like, I don't typically see it. But I was watching it, and it's, like, hard to kind of watch. Like, it's so unflattering.

It's, like, kind of, it's, like, almost looks goofy. It's so goofy. It looks like a cartoon character. They're swimming in them. When did that start to go away? I mean, even Chris Harrison walks out with a suit that's, like, going past his hands. He can barely, like, walk because his pant legs are so baggy. Why even?

work out if you're going to like have to swim in a suit and like not show any of your definition think about like that suit that Alex wore and then fast forward like 15 years to see the suit that Nick would wear oh it's yeah Nick Nick suits Nick wears a suit very well stretching material to be so pat like tight but don't you think that Nick really wears a suit he does yeah I mean he's like the perfect build for it the guy's like yeah he looks I mean he has a 13 pack so yeah he looks good in a suit um but yeah you're right i mean that's the thing is we were watching that was one of the biggest takeaways and i think it was as we you know are seeing twitter blow up is these baggy suits are i mean i think they're humorous like they're

hilarious yeah the girls the girls dresses weren't that much better but you know that is about evolving fashion the suits i you would think that a suit would be classic but those just weren't. Okay, my second thought was, why doesn't Chris Harrison, like, the first thing I want him to ask these people, or he's like, did you find love? Do you have a family? Sometimes he doesn't even ask these people where they're at in the romance department. Well, and it's, you know, it's funny because this is a show built on us celebrating romance. Yeah. It's following these contestants, no matter if it works out or not, and hopefully celebrating them as a Bachelor Nation fan myself, into their future as we see their whole love story play out

and that's why we watch the show I think the drama but also the love we've always said that here and it isn't a question that he asked I want to know it like I want to know where these people are doing these days of course he does ask you know the big people but he had two of the girls on from Alex's season and they're sitting there on a split screen

and I have no idea whether they found love in the past 20 years it made me sad the you know what these follow-ups these follow-up shows have been awesome for so many reasons and I don't like I if I was sitting down over a cocktail with these past guests like these are the questions I would ask where are you at now and maybe this is just a thing I'm like what are you doing and how did this show change your life because I'm sure it changed all of theirs in some way or another yeah another thing I kind of laughed at was when Alex was kind of telling Amanda that she was the one.

He was like, so here's the deal. Like, I like you. I've enjoyed spending time with you. And I can't wait to spend more time with you. But the thing is this, we don't really know each other that well. And here's a ring that I have picked out for one day if I decide to be repose to you. Now, let's go, uh, let's go live closer together. It was so funny, so realistic.

And then when he broke up with Trista, it was the nicest breakup I've ever heard, but it was also so simple. Today we drag out the breakup, right? It's like, you're wonderful and you're this and blah. And then there's that big turning point butt. But with him, he was like, hey, Trista, it was great getting to know you, but you know what? It's not you. And she was like, oh, okay. And then like she smiled.

They smile on the way out. Same with Charlie and Trista at the end. of her season the breakups were so lovely friendly smiley understand like everybody understood what was that it was best for the person to end up with the other one it was hilarious i was like wait did they actually like each other well and that's a takeaway that i think we're seeing now is it's an evolution of the show i would say like breakups now are hard on the show they're not easy I don't know if they should be easy. I think most of the breakups and some way or another from week one on all had their own different amount of like hurt and pain to them.

At least they were difficult to do. I do think it's because the show has probably learned how to cultivate more romantic and deeper relationships quicker than it did back then. Yes. That's it. Because it did matter. Like it does hurt. You know, when you say goodbye to your final two, as viewers, I want to know, I want to know. that you had a real relationship.

As contestants, I think you want to know that you had a real relationship with the bachelor or the bachelorette. And I think vice versa, you do have a real relationship. And so it hurts to do. It feels like a real breakup. Yeah, I disagree. All right, well, I got more questions.

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What the heck? Oh, man. You know, who knows? There's so much to get to with Trista. You know, there's a lot going on there. I mean, she's, she is the, the OG as far as having, you know, been on the first show and then being recast on another episode, which that she was the first one to do that. I think I was the first reject of the men's side that got recast.

Okay. You're the first reused. Reused. Thank you. Bob, you're one of the most recognizable faces from Bachelor Nation ever. Like, I'm shocked that they didn't show you. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, I will tell you, they did call ahead of time.

We were going to originally do a full interview and stuff. And then they, about two days beforehand, said, you know what? We just, it's not going to work out because we're doing so many different segments of Trista season and, you know, the wedding and the big show and everything. But it's really about Trista, you know. So I was, I was glad they showed me at all. That makes me happy. You would think it's two. Actually, just real quick, there's two travesty so far in the Bachelor Goat.

I think it's been a great thing. You know, the ratings have been up and down, but I think it's what you'd expect. Bachelor fanatics are watching. Becca Tilly's lack of appearance and Bob Guinea's lack of appearance are two things I'm not okay with. Oh, it was so weird to see how little they showed of Becca

during your season, especially since that was her second season. Do they not show her very much at all, huh? Not at all. I've been doing the, what do you call it? The DVR version of the shows. So I'm usually catching it the next night. But it's been actually really fun. And Ben, I did watch yours as it unfolded.

And of course, you know how much love I have for you, I think. But I thought you did. And I had noticed that you said you weren't going to watch it. Was that true? Did you not watch yours? I had said I wasn't going to watch it. I folded, man. I shared this story with Ashley.

And it was in my inbox. They send us to screeners a few years in advance. And it sat there and it was just staring. staring at me. And it was staring at me. And so what I did, because there's parts of that season that aren't healthy, I don't think, for me to watch. Like, it's just not like, okay, I'm engaged, I'm moving on. And, you know, The Bachelor World's been great to me. And so I watched the first half, and then I stopped, and I didn't see the ending. And then I watched Jessica's and I's interview because I wanted to see how she came off. Of course, she was awesome. So that was

it. And honestly, it was really enjoyable for me to watch. Yeah. I can see that. It's a nice trip down memory lane without getting two in the weeds on it you know so and i and i will tell you i didn't know you know when uh when they originally talked to me about doing an interview with trista's show i was very excited because i kind of felt like that meant they weren't going to show mine which made me very happy they weren't going to show your season yeah because i will tell you that i would much rather have them show me show trista season for me because i i couldn't even stand the idea of having to watch my season with my wife and my son running around Ashley, before you take it over here, do we know yet?

Have they announced all the Bachelor Goat seasons of Cannes air? Is that a surprise to us still? I think it's still a surprise for most people. I've known a couple, but I don't know. I mean, if you look at it, if you look at when it's preparing to show the next episode, you can see the next one after that. So, yeah, I'm not sure who the next one is, though. You guys probably know, I don't.

But my season wasn't really dramatic. there weren't really any there was no scandal there was no like crazy drama moments and you know i think it got it got a lot more dicey in and later years as far as when the drama comes on to play and things of that nature ours was you know trista's was obviously the goat of all the goats because i think it was just the first you know she was a pioneering woman so it was funny but it makes me laugh i think but i know you have one more thing you want to talk to him about about his season yeah you know bob i'm watching this i remember even meeting you and i've said it so many times on the podcast and i'm just a broken record like you are one of the bachelors from my

past and and i have two things i want to talk you about because one is a top headline for us another juicy topic of the week and the second is just your advice to me so you know i love you you know i respect you but you were also known as somebody that was like one of the first bachelors and to really push the limits right like there wasn't a lot of controversy around your season but there was some like drama there are some some names that you kind of got defined by my my intrigue is have has a has it changed now like as you watch the show is it more or less of the dramatic things that happened during your season is there more physical you know into intimacy now has Has the envelope been pushing even further?

Well, you know, I mean, obviously none of us really know what goes on behind closed doors. So I don't know the full answers to those questions. But, you know, I definitely think the show has taken off in a different direction. I mean, it's a lot. I think there's a lot more, a lot more drama now in the sense that people have watched it for a long time. And they have reacted to what I would do if I were in that situation. And so they actually acted out once they're on the show. You know what I mean?

The things pop up. and they basically have already lived this in their lives. You know, when we were doing it, no one hadn't really seen it yet. So it was kind of like a first, you know, you didn't really know how to react in certain circumstances. Whereas now I think people go on and they definitely have an idea of how they want to be perceived. And so maybe that affects how they behave. I don't know. Huh.

That's interesting. Well, the final thing is one of the hot topics of the week, and I'll just read the headline. This is according to Us Magazine. says Becca Kufrin and Rachel Lindsay reveal there's a Bachelor Bible passed down from previous leads. Bob, you were a Bachelor. I was a Bachelor. I don't know anything about this Bible and I feel like I got skipped. The headline is juicier than it really is. What is it? Ashley, tell us all about it. Um, so there was a Bible that Rachel, Caitlin and Jojo made for Becca. So it's just the three of them wrote in.

it as like a guidance for her and now they're giving it over to declare but i think that um becka's going to put a little bit more of of her insight in there to add on okay oh so it sounds like it was like national treasure like the uh the secret you know the secret presidential book that gets hidden passed down in the library like each other letters that's how i was feeling that would have been an amazing thing to start like season one yes oh my god i got to be honest when you were just telling me about it. I was jealous that I didn't get the right. Some stuff in there. But now that I know that it didn't actually exist, I guess I'm not.

You're always smarter. It was on top of it. Speaking of the first Bachelor, I did think that this episode was a little bit too dominated by Alex's season and not Tris' season, considering Tristan and Ryan have been married for like

15 years. Like, let's get more from the success story and less from, you know, the guy that literally won't come on the show but this is the big this is my big question are should we be concerned about Alex like is is he alive has he been kidnapped the man nobody has heard from the man in apparently six years according to uh his ex Amanda she said that she kept in touch with him you know on and off throughout the year but hasn't heard from him for six years and

And Chris Harrison says they can't find him. Is it that we can't find him or is it that we like, or he just refuses? Well, I will tell you, I ran into him on a plane one. How many years ago? From, it was probably, well, it was definitely more than six years ago. It was probably eight or nine years ago. And maybe 10 years ago.

And it was interesting. I mean, it was really interesting. It was on the way, flying back to. LA from Cabo and I was I guess he was down there with a group of friends for a bachelor party or something like that and he came you know up to the I was I fly a ton so I was lucky to get upgraded on this flight so I was sitting in the front of the plane and I came up to say hello it was like I'd never met him before I mean that I recall maybe I had previously but I didn't remember ever you know hanging out with them or talking with them and all of a sudden we're talking and I

thought he was a super nice guy um but it was you know know, it was definitely a different type of experience than I expected. Never thought I'd run into him, you know, ever. And then on a plane running into him, which I thought was really interesting. But he seemed like a super nice guy. And then, yeah, they, you know, we had talked about trying to, when they were talking to me about doing some stuff with Trista's season with the Goat episode, they had asked if I had any contact with him.

And I helped, I kind of helped connect the dots with Charlie, which was Trista's runner-up. he seemed so sweet that was my first time getting to know charlie and i was like wow i love the way he handled that breakup he he had a great personality he would have been a great bachelor but you were were the were you the bachelor that became right after it or was there somebody yes yeah okay well i came right after it but uh i came right off of her season but andrew firestone was in between oh yeah the way it aired that's how i aired so it aired Aaron burgey season then this season, then Andrew's season, then my season. Was it because Andrew's season was already in production during

Drus's? Okay. Yeah, I think it must have been. That's how I remember it anyway. Maybe I'm wrong. But it kind of, I remember it kind of working out that way. But yeah, Charlie's a great guy. We remained really good buddies over the years and, you know, but it was interesting because I honestly, we, I said it on the show even, but if you got three quarter,

you're technically supposed to be rooting for yourself you're insane i was like literally i was like this guy she has to choose this guy yeah yeah he's amazing so you know there's so many things about ryan that were just fantastic so did you ever back up for a second did you ever end up connecting the show with alex like did you guys find him no no no i know i i didn't have any way the information i had was old old news i didn't have any way to get an old but he's he's a he listens to the almost famous podcast we would love to have you for an in-depth episode. If you're listening right now, we respect you. He's going to choose us over Harrison and the whole production team. Come on. Join us. Who could blame him? That way he doesn't

get to stay home. I mean, he's going to love it. He's a place to be. All right. Well, trust me, Alex. They're go easy on you. They're good people. You talk about how wonderful Ryan is. Do you have any fun behind the scenes stories with him? Oh, my God. Well, you know, it was the thing about Ryan Sutter that I absolutely love was that he's like the onion that as you peel an onion you find out more about you know you see more of the onion right and Ryan was no exception of this I mean you know it was kind of funny I was when we were on the show and I had played football in college and stuff and that seemed to come up kind of a lot not from me but it was like something that would always get mentioned I'd be like yeah well Ryan and I are talking one

night and uh he played professional football yeah for the baltimore raven and never told anyone and i was like and this is the kind of stuff about ryan sutter that you find out years of knowing him that you're just like god wow how can someone be this great i mean you know um everything from you know the there is his bachelor everybody had bachelor and bachelor's bachelor's betcha white party together on this island and all of his buddies are just salt to the earth great guys you know and uh and ryan you know now is recommitting himself going back to being a firefighter it's you know his passion he misses it he loves it this is you know he is the guy that you want him to be he is the guy you think he is you know and it's just he's just awesome so yeah she is as delightful

as she's always come across on tv she is she's just like the sweet as easy as to talk to lady Yeah, yeah, guys, I think someone's trying to crash our podcast. Hold on a second. Canyon. It's my son. Oh, we love kids. This is a kid-friendly podcast. Oh, yeah. You love them on the show? Hold on a sec. Let me see. So. Oh, hi, Baba.

So Canyon's coming in right now, sitting on Bob's lap. Oh, with a sideways hat. This is Grayson, guys. Grayson. You are adorable. Yeah. You are so cute. This is my little man. Say hi.

How old is he? Hey, guys. He's 18 months. He's adorable. He's the, we're going to be 19 months. Oh,

wait, 19 months July 3rd. You're a good looking kid. Yeah, he takes after his mother, thank God. Yeah, uh,

well, as Grayson settles in here, I just want to give a quick background here. Bob Guinea appeared on the season one of the Bachelor. I know, as we said, with Trista Sutter now. He was then the Bachelor a few years later.

He did give his number one promise ring, but that didn't last. Now, he is happily married. He got married in November of 2016 to Jessica Canyon. The couple welcomed a baby boy in December of 2018. And this is Grayson sitting here with us right now live on Almost Famous Podcast. He's talking to the phone. I'm talking to you on the phone right now, Ben. That's terrific.

Bob, you are a face of the franchise. You stay busy in your life. How much does The Bachelor still affect your, I guess your work and your daily walk in life? You know, it depends. I mean, there are days when, you know, I don't feel like it does at all, but my wife will disagree with that. You know, I think it's interesting because the show is definitely a very age, I don't know how to say this, but age-centric, I guess it would say, but like, I definitely know when someone notices me or when someone notices me and says that their mom is the biggest man

or their grandma, you know, because you got to remember, I mean, that was 17 years ago when I was on the show. So, you know, the fact that the fact that it's been such a big part of my life for so long is pretty remarkable you know i mean it wasn't till i was you know i mean it was one of those things where from the standpoint i guess of my second career that came along really was a result of the bachelor and a result of Oprah being a fan of the show when i was on it and you know she kind of gave me an opportunity to to work in television for a long time and i was lucky you know it was a really lucky break that i would have never guessed would have happened from that whole thing so it was very exciting and fun but at the same time it was it was definitely life-changing you know I owe a lot to the

and I and I actually owe everything to what I have right now to the show because I was actually working for Sirius XM hosting a show when I met my wife and yeah she was friends with my co-host and that's how we met in the first place I feel like every bachelor who ends up finding their wife or bachelorette who ends up finding their husband in real life there's like always some sort of tieback like you wouldn't have been in that position or place if you wouldn't have been on the show, which is really cool. Yeah. Can we talk about like kissing on the show and like engagement?

Because it's just become more and more of a thing. Like we see on Alex and Trist's season that like some people went really far and they'd never kiss them. And then the engagement thing like your season was like a promise ring. or like Alex decided not to put that ring on our finger he was like I have this but I got to get to know you better why do you think it evolved

like that is it just because it's better TV when the stakes are higher you know I don't know I think at the beginning I mean I can speak for myself I was skeptical you know it was like your this TV show wasn't had to been around for a very long time

there weren't any success stories yet You know, oddly enough, Tristan Ryan's, which I was on that season, ended up being a success story that I think people almost use now as a way to justify in their minds that it can happen. But at that time, you know, I mean, it's amazing to think about a time before there was this show on television, but it didn't exist yet. And there weren't any success stories. And so I think you were more worried about maybe it being a big mistake or, you know, and it was abbreviated too. I mean, you know, don't forget, you guys, when you guys did the show, you all traveled internationally and did all this kind of stuff. I think my most exotic date when I was The Bachelor, we did the final four, you know, exotic dates. And one was Snake River, Wyoming.

One was Alaska. One was Belize. You know, it was like we weren't going to these, you know, tropical, or I'm sorry, these distant trips to the Netherlands and Italy and all this kind of stuff. So we didn't really have as much time to get to know each other as you do now. Now, I will say, you know, I mean, I can only speak for myself. I didn't kiss Trista on her season. And I ended up going, I went all the way down to the, I was cut right before the hometown dates. Like, I really thought, oh, my God, she's coming home to meet my family.

I don't even, I've never even kissed this one. On Alex's season, there was a girl, I think her name was Shannon. They talked about, they showed her a lot. She was top three. And I don't think they kissed. Yeah, I don't think so. Because she didn't feel like doing anything physical with him unless she was the only one standing. Right.

Yeah. That started that movement. Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. It is. I mean, we see it every season. It feels like, which is why, you know, it's such a good move and big move for the bachelor to have their first black bachelor after she's way too long. But it is really interesting how much the bachelor.

Bachelor, you know, follows a culture, but also has, like, represented it. You know, if kissing was a big deal to you 17 years ago, it doesn't most of the time feel like a big deal now. I mean, it's not a storyline that we ever really hear anymore is, oh, that we haven't even kissed yet. It might be other things. Yeah. It's not kissing anymore.

No, my season of The Bachelor, actually, Kelly, this girl, Kelly Joe Kaharski, who's now, I can't think of her married me now, but she, um, super. super sweet girl and she she kissed me on the first night and it was a big deal like it was like everyone was like oh my god you know even i was like whoa where'd that come from because i wasn't expecting and uh and it was interesting you know it was like one of those things she ended up being the runner up on my season and um you know and it was definitely one of those things and you know i mean yeah i i i you alluded to it earlier in the episode but you know i get it there's been a lot said about the different elements of my season but it was one of those

things where I feel like it was, even though some of that stuff has been bantered about, it was never something that was ever, like, fully discussed as to what goes on in the fantasy suites and things like that, because it's just never been, you know, now I feel like it's like, yeah, this happened. I mean, like, watching Caitlin's episode, you're like, oh, my God. You know, like, forgot about this. I forgot about that. I mean, you got to think, like, I mean, Peter's season literally had a windmill as his, like,

intro like based off of the Hannah you know Hannah Brown Peter uh storyline during her season like it is now right out in front of you all the time yeah yeah it is definitely it's definitely got to be a lot more complicated to watch that show with your family i would think at this point than it was back then well bob obviously we just said it we said every time you're on we appreciate you we love you i respect the hell out of you you've just been awesome to me and uh you're a great guy buddy i'm so proud of you man i'm excited for you your marriage. Ashley, my gosh, I'm so excited for you guys. Oh, thank you. I didn't even say that to you. You're very welcome. Oh, thanks. It is a 37 days or first anniversary. Is that crazy? Oh,

my God. That's so great. It's wild. Thank you. The only thing I'm sad about from this whole interview is that there wasn't a Bachelor Bible that I could have read to see what Bob Gini would have told future bachelors after his time on the show. Well, hey, Bob, we enjoy you. We wish we got to see more of you during this episode but thanks for coming on the almost famous podcast as always you're the best thank you buddy i love you guys take care you're so sweet bye that was bob guinea everybody bob guinea's just the best he's he's just continued to uh be himself i mean i think that's one of the things we were talking about and alluding to is he's always been himself on every season and now he's doing it you know still he's on the today show often i got to be a part of that a few

times with him uh he's on the today show and they love him there he obviously had a relationship with and then was not like a romantic relationship but he had a friendship with Oprah and then was a host on Sirius F you know XM for a while uh and we just always appreciate him coming on he was like a bachelor celebrity I think it was Trista was the celebrity for the girls in the 2000s and he was the celebrity for the guys I still remember Bob Guinea uh during his time as the bachelor well hey ash let's take a break here when we come back we're going to interview another person, uh, from Trista's season. Uh, we'll keep it a surprise for now, but, uh, stay tuned. We're back with the almost famous podcast.

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gives everybody for good and uh and it's maybe somebody you've heard of maybe somebody you haven't but you need to hear from now it's jamie blythe jamie welcome to the podcast hey thanks a lot guys i appreciate it thanks for having me on we appreciate you coming on so you are on trista's season and you are the professional basketball player. Well, professional is a, it's kind of like that semi-pro Will Ferrell movie. I would say it was about as low-level professional as you could possibly imagine.

Well, you were playing in, you were playing in Europe, right? And then you decided not to take that contract? Yeah, I had a nine-month contract in Germany. And then, yeah, ultimately ended up going on the bachelor's for that, which I don't know if that was a good decision or bad. So you decided the Bachelorette over basketball in Europe. Yeah, you know, it was tough because all my buddies were sort of telling me to go on the show. Obviously, it didn't exist.

It was the first one I'd never seen the show. And reality TV at that time, it was almost 20 years ago. So obviously it was in its infancy. And I was in a camp in Germany, made a team and then trained for that. And I told the Bachelor, I auditioned for the Bachelor, actually. I was like the final five for the first or second bachelor. And then producers kept calling me. I kept telling me, I don't think I really want to do it.

And then they called for The Bachelorette. And I think I told them no again, actually. And then ultimately I did it. And it turned out to be great. But it was a tough call just because I trained for absolutely to play basketball. I'm super intrigued here. So going back to when they were talking to you about being a bachelor and then even on the Bachelorette, you didn't know what this show even was.

Like what, how do, were you processing what you're about to sign up for? So it was funny. I, uh, how did this work? I met, I think it was Lisa Levinson. I don't know if she was on the show when you guys were on it. She's still there, isn't she? She was one of the, she was like an original executive producer. And I spoke to her for a while.

And she was like, you know, you'd be really good for the show, The Bachelor. They'd already done all their auditions. So they sort of leapfrog me to the top five, which they must have been, uh, smoking crack just to even consider me for that because it was not a good show for me. And then, you know, it just sort of, she kind of sold me on it. But yeah, it was strange because I didn't know about the show. I had never seen it. I didn't know about reality TV.

And matter of fact, I was the first guy out of the limo, and we're driving and, you know, it's the first one, so I don't know what the hell I'm doing, right? And I'm figuring they're going to give me some sort of instruction. It's me and like six dudes in the limo. and a producer just knocks on it and he goes all right it's game time you're you know you're ready jamie you're up i didn't even know i was the first guy up i had no clue they just told me so i go what the hell am i supposed to do you know and uh he goes dude just there's a girl just go say hi to her do whatever you would do to talk to a girl so i got out of the car and there's like 30 people

you know it's a tv set there's lights i really didn't know exactly what trista looked like at the time i had an idea but there were a couple blondes in the crowd there were a couple attractive girls as well. So I literally looked like, you know, to use welfare all again, just staring around like a deer in headlights. And they had to do two takes of it. It was the first thing out of the limo and they did two takes. It's not that much different today.

I mean, actually, I can tell you, it really operates about the same way. Hey, you're up? Go. Right. Exactly. And it was pretty cool. I mean, I went and said hi and kept it pretty simple. But it was funny when I was sitting in the mansion and for what, 20 minutes?

And I'm like, what the hell am I doing here? You're picturing, or at least I was, that these guys are going to be a bunch of tools. That's kind of what I thought. And then I was in the mansion just readying my decision. I was like, what am I doing here? How do I escape? And at that time, I don't know if there was really a lot of alcohol. Bob Guinea sort of started that whole thing.

We just had him on. Another story. Oh, he was already on? Yeah. So me and him were like best buddies on the show. And yeah, I got a lot of stories about five. But yeah, it was funny. So this other guy walks in, and he was like a firefighter and was instantly just kind of douchey and was trying how great he was, whatever.

And all my fears were right in front of me. Like, oh, no, this is going to be horrible. That firefighter was not Ryan, I'm assuming. Different firefighter. I love Ryan. Ryan was off. So it was a different guy. And so then Bob walks in and instantly, you know, he was hammered.

and he was having a blast, and then he just starts screwing with this guy. And the guy was real competitive, and Bob and I were not competitive at all. And he goes, Bob was, what do you do? And the guy said, I'm a martial artist. And Bob was, I could tell he was BS and the guy, and the guy just didn't know it. And he goes, I'm also a martial artist. Bob said to the guy. So he gets all competitive.

And he goes, what's your discipline? And Bob goes, Tybo. And the guy goes, that's not a discipline. And he goes, you tell that to Billy Blank's bitch. He'll get your ass. And then he convinced the guy to go in the middle of, like, all the guys. And he pushed him in. And he goes, show trust to your karate moves.

So the first thing he did was show her karate moves. And then he got, like, launched first. He was the first guy kicked off the show. Of course, Bob. And he was like. You? Yeah, it was hilarious. You got eliminated week three.

But you are. Yeah, Bob and I got eliminated the same night. We started in a nice hotel, as you know. and then all of a sudden they send you to this crappy hotel when you get kicked off so bob and i uh went out you know how many weeks were there you and bob eliminated week three and then he went on to become the bachelor yeah i mean so if there's a backstory to this that i don't even know if i can tell oh whenever somebody says something like that we need you to tell you know here's so they were calling my house they were calling bob's house to do the final four uh

Lisa Levinson was she came out crying when Bob and I got cut and uh there was a lot that happened my god I haven't thought about it it was 20 years ago so I really haven't thought about this much but there's some things I won't share but one night Trista came home from a romantic date with with Ryan and we all knew Ryan was super into it and those two were most likely gonna you know be together so Bob and I knew we were out right we were already done we're just kind of having fun and so we went on the roof for the mansion to get away because we knew there weren't cameras and microphones up there because we'd figured out there were microphones because every time we'd said something interesting

yeah and then we just once they showed up we'd start talking about like something mundane you know peanut butter or whatever just something stupid and then they'd go but so we went on the roof we figured out to get in the roof the mansion and we brought like a case of beer up there it's like three a m and uh i think he lit a fire up there too we brought like a little portable grill and he had a chef's head and started a big grease fire. She comes home. We started a fire at 3 a.m. And she goes, and there were no cameras.

Like nobody saw this. And this was like week three, right, the day before we both got lunch. And we're, we're bombed, you know. And she goes, don't you two think you should be thinking about me? And we both had beers in it. And we spit our beer from the top of the mansion down pretty much at her on accident. Just because we thought it was funny. we were so drunk and you know and there's a lot of things that happened like we went go-kart racing

and uh i think the that was like three hours after this uh you know rooftop event and we're hammered we can't even walk let alone and drive a hundred mile on our go-car so these things were really fast that are what race cars train with and we're walking around this track and this guy's telling us about like apexes and turns and all this stuff they literally walked us for like an hour and we can barely see spray, let alone grab a car. And right at the end of it, Bob goes, sir, what's a, what's an apex? And then we, you know, we're crashing these things. And Trista, yeah, it was, the whole thing was, was, she wasn't going to pick us.

There was a lot of reasons, a lot of stories I could actually tell, but they're, I'm not going to share these at these point, but there, there was a lot of reasons she wasn't going to pick us. You mean? And then he was on, you know, I went on Oprah right after that. He was the bachelor. You made enough of a splash to talk to Diane Sawyer and Oprah about your anxiety disorder. So can you talk about how anxiety affected you being on the show?

Because I know it's such an issue today. It's just such an anxiety-inducing place that it's hard with people like you who have suffered with panic and social anxiety. Right. Yeah, I think that show is the worst possible place for some of it. that has social anxiety and panic disorder to be on. And I had done, you know, I won't go through the whole story again, but to make it pretty concise, my first panic attack was when I was 19.

I'd never had anxiety prior to that. I guess I had normal anxiety, everybody has anxiety, but I never had a full-blown panic attack. But when I did, I had it talking to a person, right? And then it just kept happening, so my fear became being around people. I ended up, you know, being one of the top guys in the country at the sales job I had. I went into sales on purpose to confront it.

So it was a long climb, you know, it took four or five years, you know, six, seven years, actually, to where I could possibly go do something like The Bachelor. In the back of my head, I knew I probably couldn't do it. It was probably too much, but it was something I wanted to challenge myself with. And but yeah, it evokes and brings out every possible symptom, like being the center of retention. you know, being humiliated potentially, having a place where you really can't escape. And if I did have a panic attack, they were going to exploit it. It wasn't, I knew that.

So I knew I wouldn't build escape. And if I did, there was a realistic chance that I could break down crime because you just sort of lose all sense of control, I guess. And it was, yeah, honestly, I got really lucky that I never had a hometown date with her, which they were going to plan. if not for Bob's rooftop fire and, you know, incident at 3 a.m., I probably would have had a hometown date, and I don't know if I would have made it through that to me, honestly. And Bob kind of saved me because we became such good friends, and he was great. He just lightens, you know, you guys talk to him.

He kind of lightens everything up, and we kind of played off each other, and he would make me laugh and make him laugh, and he made it a little more comfortable. But once it got to, like, when it was just me and Trista, and it was a date, You know, I'd be nervous on a first day with anyone, let alone a national television. So it was nerve-wracking. I mean, by the end of it, I was, I wanted to get the hell out of there. I mean, I was done. It's interesting, Jamie.

I'm just catching up here. And, you know, for the anxiety that you had, you did overcome a lot of it. Or you kind of, I don't know, maybe you could explain it better, but pushed through it. I mean, your book that you came out with, Fear is no longer my reality. You did talk to Diane Sawyer, you did talk to Oprah, and you also had Phil Jackson read it and give you his feedback that is input on the back of the book. It says Jamie Blice's determination to overcome his disability is a great achievement. That from Phil Jackson, yes, the nine-time NBA championship coach. Do you credit the show for the confidence it feels like that you were able to push through with these projects?

You know, the Phil Jackson thing was interesting because I became friends with Jeannie Bus, who owns the Lakers. I just saw her just prior to COVID, and I was at a thing in Vegas, and I'll answer your question, too, but I met them at an event because of The Bachelor in Vegas. And she came up to me. I didn't know who she was at the time by name or face, I guess. And she's amazing, super, one of the nicest people ever met. And she goes, I'm a fan of yours, and I want to introduce my boyfriend. And I was kind of like, all right, you're a fan of mine. Why the hell do I want to meet your boyfriend?

And so I turn around, it's Phil Jackson and obviously like 610, 611. So then they ended up taking me out for dinner multiple times. I'd go to a lot of Lakers games with him, stuff like that. And he was an interesting guy. And apparently I don't think he had given many, if any, book endorsements at that time. So that meant more than anything to me. But going back to your, I guess your point. the show, I had pushed myself to a level where I could go on the show.

I didn't necessarily know how it would turn out, whether it was going to be good or bad, but I was willing to face it. Like a year prior, maybe two years prior, there's no way in hell I could have gone on that show. There's just no way. But after that, as you guys know, all the attention you get, I was constantly talking to people. And I didn't know that was going to happen, but this was one of the first reality shows, really. and I really didn't expect it. And then as you guys know, everywhere where you went,

especially for like that year or two, it was insane. I mean, I couldn't eat dinner, couldn't go out without talking to people. And then obviously all the media going on those shows. Like Diane Sawyer, was my first interview I ever did. And I think it was at 7 a.m. So, you know, it was early and not ready to roll. I'm sure you guys have done interviews like that. We were just kind of waking up and bam, you got to go.

And now it's Diane Sawyer. So, and interestingly with that, she gave my commencement speech at the University of Illinois when I was, I graduated, but I was like at a low point, right? Because I'm 21 and my biggest fear is now people. So how the hell am I going to manage my way through life, through the world, and I'm scared of people. And that's, and then, you know, fast forward to go full circle five years later and she's given the commencement speech.

And that's why she brought it up off camera, I told her how much it meant to be speaking with her because of what I went through and now I'm sitting here talking to her in person and feeling scared but equipped, I guess, to manage it. That's impressive. And then she obviously ran it from there and was more interested in the anxiety than the show. She really didn't talk about the show month. That's nice. Well, the book that you were, I think, on these shows to promote was fear is no longer my reality.

What are you doing today as far as getting this. message out there because I know that you do some public speaking you're a reporter so I do I'm a reporter and a host for you know extra like Mario Lopez and all that so when celebrities come through Chicago I still do that and I do some TV commercials in Chicago here but I mean I have a job like anybody else where I run sales for a big construction company in Chicago but right before I was working on a documentary I think I mentioned that with a couple guys that are pretty big producers that were interested. I was going to essentially interview anybody, any walks, any walk of life, whether somebody in the military that suffered PTSD. It can be

a brain surgeon that has to operate on a child. Mike Tyson, getting in the ring, what does that feel like before a championship fight? So it didn't have to necessarily be somebody that suffers from anxiety. It can be actually the opposite, because I learned more from people that don't have any anxiety. I mean, I knew all about the books and everybody that could tell, any doctor could say, hey, this is what the symptoms are and this is how you overcome it. But I need to learn the opposite. And a lot of it was a mindset. And there's a lot of techniques to it too. So that was that documentary I am currently working on, but COVID kind of put a hold on it. Well, Jamie, to close it up here, we really do appreciate you coming on. We have a lot of people, you know, anxiety is something

that we bring up often on this podcast. As you mentioned, the show kind of heightens it. And if you already have, you know, an underlying disorder, it definitely makes it more polarizing on the show. If there's anybody out there listening who has struggled with anxiety or still does, do you have a message that you like to share with people before we let you go? Yeah, absolutely. Number one, because this gets into, especially given the times right now,

with COVID, with everything going on. Mike Tyson actually said it best when I interviewed him, and that'll be released at some point when I put it all together. But I asked him if he's ever been suicidal. And he said, yeah, many times. And he's doing great right now, right? But he went through the ringer. And, you know, he was a drug addict, you name it.

I mean, he would tell you about it. And he's doing really well. So I said, well, what would you tell somebody if they're depressed and suicidal and they don't think they can go on? And he would say, look, you have to realize that these are moments and time. their moments and time, their seasons, and these things, they change. So your current reality, I think Tony Robbins says this type of thing, but doesn't have to equal your future. So where you are right now might feel absolutely awful like there is no future.

But, you know, everything I had and all the success, anything, if you want to call it success, but is because of the anxiety, not just, you know, it's because of the anxiety. and it's a you know it's a mechanism to help make you grow if you choose to uh i guess to fight it is the right word um because it is a fight uh but you can come out the other side you can come out actually stronger than you were before at a at a minimum i think you can manage it and have a have a happy life i love that thought um the bachelor of course is all about love and relationships and that's where we know you the most from. So you got to update us on your personal life now. Um, so I, uh, I'm kind of, I'm, I'm all settled down. I've got a,

got a six-year-old kid and, um, I was living living in the city and, and now I just moved to the burbs. So I'm kind of living that boring, boring committed, uh, life right now. But it's, uh, it's great. Are you married? I, I, it's a, that's a, that's a, uh, This is goofy. I'm technically not married. It's a long, there's a long complicated story in there, but we're essentially, we're together. Gotcha. All right.

Well, thank you so much for coming on. Appreciate you, ma'am. Thank you, you guys. Once again, that was Jamie Blythe from Trista's season of The Bachelor. Some great stories behind-the-scenes stories from Trista's season. And, of course, Bob Guinea was a part of those who we also had in the podcast today. Jamie Blyse's book, if you're wondering, is once again called Fear is no longer my reality. it is available right now.

Well, hey, Ash, I think those two offered us a good behind-the-scenes take on this. Also shared some things that, you know what, are still common today in the show, like the limo entrances and those moments that you try to sneak out and sneak away to get away from those cameras. It's just interesting how much times have changed, especially, as you said earlier, with the fashion that is the box suits. Oh, you know what else I meant to ask these guys about the difference in the house? because the bachelor mansion wasn't the bachelor mansion until uh i think it was maybe brad season but like they used different houses the episodes that we saw last night you know he had a house she had a house and i think the house kept changing it's interesting yeah so much of a part of our

past well hey that's been another season of our another episode of the bachelor uh and bachelor goat of course these two will be up there with the best of them ever uh and this is It's been another episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. And if any of you guys know Alex Michelle, let us know where the heck he is. Please. Please. I mean, that would be an interview and a half, wouldn't it? Somebody has to know him, right?

I doubt he'd ever give us an interview, but that would be very, very cool. I just want to solve the mystery of where in the world is this man. Where in the world is Alex Michelle? I grew up on where in the world. is Carmen San Diego Carvin San Diego But no more It's Alex, Michelle

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