The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Bad Edits in Paradise

Episode Date: December 9, 2023

It’s the Bachelor in Paradise finale! Ashley is hanging out with her friend Jill Chin from Clayton’s season to break down every detail. Jill and Ashley have a bold take on Paradise that could lead to a total revamp of the series! Do you think Paradise needs to switch things up?? Was Kylie being unreasonable during her situation with Aven? And, with no hard launches since the finale, which couple do we think survived since leaving the beach?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today we are breaking down the Bachelor in Paradise finale. Ben is traveling, so I called in my friend Jill Chen, who you guys may know from Clayton's season and last year's season, season eight of Bachelor in Paradise. She was my fellow crier. She loves a bit of dramatics. And I thought she was the perfect person to talk about this episode with, especially Jill,

because you have really close, you're like best friends with Rachel Rechia. So she was kind of like feeding you drama the entire thing. I mean, she didn't have her phone on you, but, like, you got the scoop as soon as you could. Yeah. And did you have somebody, like, an informant?

Because I remember seeing you in June, and you knew what was going on down there. How? Oh, because, like, people who were eliminated, you heard from the grapevine. Tell us all your sources. Okay. So I wouldn't, so first of all, Rachel is,

I wouldn't say she gives up information easily, unfortunately. You know, like, when I get off, I'm like, press conference. All right. everybody like gather around like this is what we're going to do um rachel's like you know if i'm like okay so who are you with you with this person she'd be like i don't know you're gonna have to see which is so annoying i'm like just tell me so i've got bits of information that way um also i'm good for yeah i feel like when she came home from bachelorette she didn't even tell you what

happened with tina no like barely anything but also like things evolve so quickly that like it's a roller coaster so i i don't really know um what's happening like at all times. I know I had a pretty good pulse on the season from Rachel and from Tyler as well. But I was piecing things together and I still am trying to piece things together because I feel like we didn't really see the full story. Do you agree? Jill, we've been saying this the entire season and I asked Blake about it last week.

And he was like, oh, you know, like, of course they can't show everything because we're recording 24 hours a day. I'm like, yeah, yeah. But there are storylines that have had dead ends. and we don't know why please and then new storylines at the last second and you're like where that comes from especially this episode like this there was a storyline I was not expecting okay okay so let's let's dive into this episode where are we going what couple are we going first what's this story so I feel like well first of the beginning of the episode is very much like chaos you know just everything going up in flames I don't really understand why like at the

last rose ceremony, I feel like then, if you were going to choose somebody new, just go home. Well, this is what happens every season. And for some reason, I felt like this season was a little bit less annoying because usually they go straight from that rose ceremony to the next day having those one-on-one conversations with the girls and the guys separate and then they go walk down to the beach. At least we had one day in between to sort of figure things out. To make it less, Like, I've always been like, well, wait, what? Why even get past that rose ceremony? At least we had a one-day buffer this time.

But go ahead, totally understand the weirdness of that. I know. So it's like, okay, Justin Tanner, we knew it wasn't not going to go anywhere. Okay, so there was that. Mercedes and Jordan Vee. I'm like, Jordan Vee just left my girl Rachel in the dust. And now you're just going to say, bye, Mercedes. Like, that's weird, too, you know?

Sure. But I didn't think, but Mercedes was the one. that wasn't into it. Yeah, so why even started to begin with the night before? I don't get it. I don't get it. Yeah, okay. It's just strange. But also, like, I, fight or flight, bye, I am flying away. Like, I understand

that people want to, like, try to make the best of the situation. I don't really care. Like, I'm going to leave. So that was a little strange. I feel like. But the reason for the one-day buffer this season was because Mari and Kenny got married. And they wanted everybody to see that and, like, get freaked out if they were. were in a secure enough relationship. In a secure relationship.

Yeah. I can't believe they're having three weddings now. Like, I was like, wait, what? I'm like, Kenny Maher, I never thought it would be you guys because they've told us on our, like, we just had them on our podcast about two weeks ago. And then we had them on a couple months ago and they already were telling us how they were having two weddings. So they actually had three weddings.

Of course, the one in Mexico isn't binding at all. Yeah. You know, legality speaking. I know. But like, but, wow. It almost begs the question if anything that happens on that beat. But, well, that too. That could be funding the other weddings.

In which case, I'd be like, you know what? Yeah, let's do it. For sure. Why not? Yeah, I know. So much of what happens on that beach is so like, like you could pass anything off. Like, oh, it's paradise, like whatever, including engagements.

Yeah. The engagements were weird, but we want to get to those later. We'll get to them later. So what I want to talk about is Kylie's love for Blake. It does not feel platonic to me. No. And so that's the one that I wanted to talk about, the new storyline. Like last episode, it was like, she was like, no, like, don't leave.

I can't do this without you. We're all like, that's weird. But like, we can forget about it. Like, that's weird, but moving on because we haven't seen any of it. Yeah, last week we thought it was weird that they peppered it in there. And now we know why they put it in there because they wanted them to have this hard-to-heart conversation this week. They wanted to show this one. And it's still like, I don't know what it is, like, I can't describe in words why it doesn't feel botanic.

It just doesn't. Well, when he showed up at the wedding, you could just clearly see her just be like, oh, my God. Like, maybe this is like a new opportunity for her. Maybe she's like, well, maybe there's still a chance. Like if Avin doesn't want to get engaged, maybe I'll just move on to Blake. It's truly what I felt. I don't know. It kind of felt that way.

But I, and then also there was, it could have been like a Franken bite. It could have been from earlier in the episode or earlier in the season where she said it almost makes me wish I would have explored more, you know, talking about her connection with Avin. So I'm like, well, girl, we got one more day. Like, how could we explore more? Like, you're kind of locked in with Aven. I just, again, it was like, I don't think it was necessarily a pointless storyline, but it was a confusing storyline. Yeah. I still feel like it was totally unnecessary.

I think even her conversation with Blake was totally unnecessary. we had plenty too much commentary from Kylie in this episode about how she wanted to get engaged and how that was the only way she was going to feel secure in their relationship. I left this episode being like, Kylie, I'm not as big of a fan of yours as I was before. Okay, that's interesting because I was almost like team Kylie on this one. Really? I was like, why is she so obsessed with getting engaged? Okay. Well, actually. You're 25, relax. Like, I get it. It was just that, like, she truly isn't believing in their relationship if he doesn't propose. I don't know. I was so not for it. Because I just, like the other couples were saying, don't want to get engaged unless it is going to be a certain thing, only once in my lifetime sort of thing. And I totally agree with that. I can see both sides because one part of me is like, oh my God, getting engaged in Paradise. is nuts like you've only known this person in this environment for however much time like a month

max and then the other side is what happens at the end of every bachelor franchise show engagement that's how it ends and so it wasn't even necessarily that they weren't ready it was that even came in knowing he wasn't going to get engaged yeah that's true and you think that's annoying that's i think that's annoying because you know that's protocol that's protocol that's protocol that's annoying because it's protocol and i don't think that like kiley should be dragged for saying for like wanting that so badly when up into this point i thought there was really i thought they were going to get engaged out of all the couples besides eliza and aaron i thought they were the most ripe to be engaged i thought they were like the serene and brandon you know they were chilling the

whole season they were feeling good but look what happened to serene and brandon and i wasn't there that's a thing you know like but you know i'm also proven wrong because at the end of the episode you see how many people are, you know, married from the show. Jared and I, of course, married from the show, but did not get engaged after the month. So that's why I'm able to still speak with a little skepticism. Yes. And there's been couples in the past where I have felt quite strong about them, Joe and Serena being one of them. And I can, but like, I felt so not strong about any of these couples. I'm just like, just save the reputation. Like, let's, I don't want another engagement on the TV and then like just to turn out a couple months later. They're not together. So that's why I'm

just like, okay, if you don't 100% feel it, just don't do it, don't do it. Yeah. And I agree with that, but you have to be honest with that person kind of early on, you know, like even coming in. He, because I don't know if he said it outright, but the impression that I got was engagement was never on the table for me and I came here, which is a little wild, especially like being final two and then like being final two that comes across skee to me because I think like she called him out on, I do think he was probably ready to propose to Rachel. Yeah, I agree. It's a little bit different of a scenario though because like while you get to know people so much more in paradise and you have so much more time with them your mindset is a little different it's a little more casual right

yeah but it's also like a little crazy like i like when i was with jacob i was like oh yeah i could maybe see this and then outside of it i was like whoa like who was i who was that girl you know yeah i understand even coming out of like the the bachelor i was like did i even like clayton like i was gaslighting myself to like inclin. So like I understand not wanting to get engaged in that setting. I do understand that, but I feel like you have to be open to it. And if you're not open to it, then express that at the beginning. That's what I'm going to say. But and I do like, Kylie was like really harping on the engagement thing. And but I, I do understand her disappointment. Yeah. But that's because like I, to me, I felt like it was more of like a goal set. Like she like had like

a timeline and she wanted to. to reach her goals within the timeline. And she felt like by going on a bachelor show and leaving together but not engaged, she failed. I could see that. I could definitely see that. And then I'm sorry, this is maybe not funny. But when they were leaving, you know, when couples leave together, giddy happy, ooh, we're a couple.

It didn't feel good. That's for sure. Yeah. Funeral. It was like a funeral. It was weird. It was really depressing. And I just, I don't know, I just knew they weren't on the same page.

And obviously, like, if I work highly, I'd be like, whoa, we're not on the same page. We definitely shouldn't get engaged. You know, like, okay, well, and then he kind of, like, gave her, I don't know who gave who the ultimatum, but he was kind of like, he, I think he kind of did. I know, but it was brought on by her feelings, right, or her stance on it. Like, I truly didn't know which way it was going to go. Me neither. When they're going back and forth, like, I don't know if this is.

real if it's not a proposal and then he was like well then you're not respecting me if it's if you're forcing me into a proposal like yeah yeah it was back and forth but i'm glad that she just just let him win this this argument and for yeah what i was what i was thinking when they were sitting in that car all depressed is like i can't wait for them to get back to the hotel tonight and just enjoy some off-screen time and i think very soon she'll have clarity as to like now that there's no chance of engagement on the table, I think she'll just be able to just go enjoy. Enjoy it.

And maybe I would love to get her on the podcast so we can see, like, how she feels about that now. Yeah. To me, it would all be about the free ring. The fact that, like, you don't have to pay for a ring. You're saving, like, I don't know how much they actually are. Those were certainly downgraded size, nil-in rings. Did you notice that?

I did notice that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I just, well, first of all, I, have you been on social media yet? Yeah. Um, actually, no, because I've been texting Jill back and forth because I've been, it's three hour episode, you know? Like, I watched an hour and a half last night and I watched an hour and half this morning. Uh, but no, what's, what's going on social media? Tell me what's the status. Okay. So, and that's the question. What's the status? The status of, I, but we still talking about Kylie and Avin? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Because all. On the recap last night at the end of the show,

which I think is hilarious and I love the way that they play Starship and stuff. They said that they're doing great or they're doing well, being boyfriend and girlfriend. What do you know? Correct. Well, I don't know anything except for, you know, half by the season, there was that Twitter beef and it was kind of like, you know, which what I'm talking about.

No, explain to the audience. I know a little bit. I remember that Avin kind of was getting annoyed that they didn't have enough screen time, which I think they didn't get screen time because they, weren't leading to an engagement. I think in, you know, in the editing room, they're like, oh, if you're not getting engaged, then we're not going to show you all that much. Honestly, the solid couples, even last season, like, like, Serena and Brandon didn't get a lot of screen time because they were chilling. They were good. There was no drama. Like, there's

so much it goes on that, like, sometimes the solid couples don't get it. So, um, I think there is, there's some beef. I don't exactly know kind of the whole scope of it, but there's some beef between Kylie and Liv. Olivia. Olivia? Yeah. Okay. And so, then Avin clapped back saying like, oh, you give a night one girl screen time and she thinks that she's, you know, the next top's thing, which is such an argument. Like, I hate that. Anyways. So then, but even the fact of the matter is Avin was sticking up for Kylie. So I was like, oh, they're together. Okay. Yeah. They're together. Cool. Yeah. You know, I'm on social media right after I see. Oh, I got they left happy. I go to their Instagrams. Not a whisper. Nothing. you normally normally when you end the show you know you're they they got their finger hovering over the detonator that is the instagram ready to hard launch that relationship oh heck yeah there was nothing oh is there's still nothing this is one 20 p.m on friday i looked on avon's nothing no static post at least i look at even story nothing i looked on kiley's page nothing i even looked at kiley's

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Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Okay, so what we have here on Kylie's Instagram is just on her story and it says last watch party. Avon is not present at this watch party full of ladies, a lot of them older. And then another, oh, two hours ago, Kylie on,

Kylie on like a group FaceTime with Jess and Mercedes and Kat. And they're saying, when we realize we don't have to be on reality TV again, and they're all smiling. Yeah. Okay. Isn't that weird, though? It's definitely concerning. And the last time she posted a picture with Avin, just like as a promo for the show.

Yeah. November 10th. Yeah. What's going on? Not good. So, yeah. And that's honestly a recurring theme with all of the couples. I hate to say.

But we'll get into that later. Okay. And just another update. Avin 17 hours ago, my peace. Huh. My peace. Period. At the basketball court.

and then a screenshot 14 hours ago of what he's listening to and that is Bryson Ticler keep doing what you're doing is the song I don't know if that means anything I don't know if that's a sub-tweet but nothing. I don't want to decode that

this is why you don't get engaged though because if they got engaged it wouldn't have helped them like it wouldn't have helped the relationship no totally totally totally but I wouldn't, you know, the signs, the signs were clearly there for Avin at least. And because Avin was feeling that way, she should have seen that and just taken it for what it is. I'm glad she ended up doing that. I don't know what's going on.

Maybe we'll get some further explanation, but it sucks because there's no reunion. I know. I would have loved a reunion for this, but I know Golden Bachelor had to take precedent. Yeah, I get it. But at the same time, like this needed a reunion because you can't, like the show, I feel like specifically left out important things. and I want to know like especially I'm still wondering about the Jess and Tyler

and Blake and you know I've heard like little snippets of on the you know on other podcasts but it's like that's what I talked to Blake about last week I was like could we just talk we never really addressed the fact that they kissed and like it seemed like it was a good kiss um okay so you want to know like how a lot of those storylines ended

that we have been pondering all season long listen to the Blake interview that I did last week because I because he was there and he he did tie up some ends, lose ends. Now, let's go on to the dates this week. We had Kat and John Henry had a date and then, so basically both engaged couples had a date. Then we had Eliza and Aaron.

They had a date. Okay, so the Eliza and Aaron date I'm going to start with because to me, I have no substance with this couple. I literally have heard them talk about nothing except for the status of their relationship. Yeah. Like, that's all we, like, it's good with Aaron and me. It's great with Eliza. And it's like, okay, I'm falling in love. It's like, I have not heard you guys had a discussion about anything.

Yeah. I, the only discussion that they had was when charity came down. And it was like, what's going on with Aaron? Oh, yeah. Okay. That was the only, that was like, a bump in the road. But then it was like every time I'm hearing from Aaron, he's just telling me what she has for breakfast. And while I think that's cute, like, yes.

it's always like you look beautiful this morning okay okay it's in the breakfast order which is great we you know we love that but at the same time i don't like i'm not necessarily as invested think i love eliza she's the most beautiful human being on the planet oh could you believe her face no in her body like oh like i just everything is like she's so good she's so good and i think they're cute but i think like a lot of it and i kind of like these kind of relationships where i feel like Aaron is like simping all the time like just gush you at how beautiful she did and she's like yeah of course i think that's cute it is cute it's cute but that's it i'm also wondering if she's like i could just get all the men of the world with the way i look like i know that she would like drake you know

and i do feel like she's the one and only person that maybe has a chance with drake you knew her last year yeah with drake okay i love that she wasn't there when i was there she came in late So, like, tell us a little bit more about her personality. Oh, my God. She is, everyone says, like, she looks like a Disney princess. She is a Disney princess. Like, she's always, boop, pattering the face, like, very sweet. But she's also, like, hilarious.

She's really funny. She, she's sassy for sure. And she is really emotional. But I feel like we don't see a ton of that. I'm looking at her Instagram now. She's very perfect. She's only pictures of herself. Yeah, she's very perfect and put together.

And she loves Drake. That's like her biggest, like, thing is she's obsessed with Drake. Oh, so she's thinking she probably could get Drake. I don't know, but I think she may be able to, honestly. She's perfect. Yeah, she's something to see. All right, but yeah, this date did nothing for me. Like, this date did not help me believe in their love at all.

No. The shaman date. No. Now, the other date between Kat and John Henry, actually made me get them. I was like, oh, okay, there's more here. There's stuff here. She showed a totally different side to her

when she was talking about her upbringing. And he, when he was talking about his rough years, some bouts of depression, and they really did feel like there was a nice level of intimacy and vulnerability there. And she seems soft with him, which is sweet to see. it kind of made that conversation changed a lot of my

I guess like I just my opinion on cat I don't know her I've never talked to her my only you know interaction is through the television what I see on the TV which obviously she got a really tough edit and so... Yeah but also like just

so many so many episodes and she had so much screen time and we really got to know her and she's so multifaceted that yes she is the most ridiculous sometimes, but she's great TV and she seems like someone that, well, sometimes I'd be scared to hang out with, but mostly would probably would want her there. She also seems like a pretty supportive girl's girl. She does.

I think that a lot of the volatility earlier made a lot of sense once I heard her story. And I feel like there was this yearning for safety and for, okay, like, I'm good here that I think John Henry was able to provide her, whereas before she didn't feel stable. And if you don't feel stable, you know, then you're going to go off the rails maybe a little bit. So I really appreciated that date. And I think I was, at first I was like, I don't know what her ending is going to look like. I don't know if it's going to be a happy ending for Kat. But I think it's like, that's the happy ending. Yeah. You know, of maybe the season. It is, which is so funny. We see later in this season.

We'll just go there. Yeah. We see that they are the happy couple out of this. That is shocking. That is shocking to me because she was mostly drama during the season. Maybe it was halfway that she started getting with John Henry. And then they always felt fun together. But they felt like a couple that was just going to be like fun in paradise and not in the outside world.

This episode did make me feel like. They have complimentary personalities because he's so laid back and chill. And he'll, and she'll just be the, well, lack of a better word, like the you or me and the relationship. Right.

Yeah. Like the little bit more like high, strong, emotional one. Yes. And he'll be there, like the stable. Yes. And I,

although they got started a little late, I think it was a huge green flag that he was like, I realize this is crazy. but I'm so sure about it that I'm going to propose. Okay, well, how do you feel about that proposal? Because I don't know I would love it looking back when he goes, my gut says don't do it. I know.

But I'm going to go with something else this time, my heart. Like, I get it. It's like there's some sweetness in that. Yeah. But you're still telling your fiancé at the podium at the altar that like your gut saying no. I know. He should have used, he should have said my brain. And my gut. Yeah, my brain. Yeah, my brain, it would be better because like, my brain's telling me no.

Yeah. My brain makes more sense. Your gut? Like, we are always told that our guts right. Right. My best. Something was mixed up there. But I think that, you know, the sentiment remained the same. And I thought it was sweet. I was like really surprised. And it was, it was just like fun. I feel like they've been fun. Once like I got over the to he left Olivia because that was kind of hard to get over you know yeah I was interested to see the two of them just seeming okay at like a breakfast table right this has been able to get over a lot of drama and then sit together at the tables no see me I am not like that I cannot do it it's so weird I'd be getting right up yeah I don't care um so that was cute but then also that's another one. No hard launch. No

hard launch. Except for this. There's been a story. There's been one story, a collage for on Kat's Instagram, a collage of them saying my favorite memories. Okay. Where's the hard launch? No way. Okay.

When I looked like an hour ago maybe. Wow. Okay. So I'm just on Aaron's page right now. And I'm also seeing that Aaron talking about Paradise a little bit but the only thing that he has with Eliza is a picture of her head on his shoulder and says she can nap anywhere so romantic no nothing from cat well there's a story there is one story and there's a little collage of them but that's it do you think that the show's not letting them do it because maybe like spoilers maybe they're like you can hard launch on like Sunday night

that's what I thought but then we see another couple another surprise couple who have hard launched surprise couple would you mean Braden yeah okay they hard launched immediately but maybe that's because brayden was already eliminated last week and everybody knew that yeah so perhaps we just need to wait a little bit longer because they don't want Instagram to spoil it for some people maybe yeah maybe it's a contract thing but did we see that with goldenback Bachelor? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if some things are on the rocks. I don't know the status of a lot of these relationships. And I feel like that's, it's kind of like what you do in Bachelor Nation. This is kind of how it goes, you know? Yeah. Were you, you know, the Instagram is a thing.

Definitely a thing. Like we want to see what they're doing today. Right. We want to feel good about it. We just dedicated how many hours to watching these stories. And you're telling me that maybe nobody is still is nobody's happy i know that's what i'm saying so i'm just like really confused and that's it that's what makes me question the status of these relationships like when did they ask them about the updates yeah well i can tell you that jared an i submitted pictures uh it was the first it was like november 1st they asked us for pictures oh so maybe for that timeline that's like a long ass time ago and back in like relationships a new relationship?

For sure. I was most, because I knew that some of the relationships, honestly, I thought I knew the status of some relationships as like truly over.

And I was like, oh, I wonder how the show is going to handle us? I'm not going to say because now I don't know if it's true. I honestly thought

no couples were still together. Oh, okay. That's what you thought, but now Instagram is kind of proving that, right? No, I thought that Kylie and Aven were still together.

But that's only because of the Twitter be support that's the only reason why okay but i thought the rest of the couples were done so well we gotta get rachel on the line like rachel hasn't told you any of this no she hasn't hmm because she also wasn't there yeah but she's got to be friends with them right i don't know she's not as friendly because she's from a different season maybe yeah probably yeah okay but i don't know i think it's just strange What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison

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And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free Eyeheart Radio. app search emergency intercom and listen now let's just talk about a few of the other couples that left um peter and sam i mean they didn't show us a single thing between them so it was not shocking to see them no part sam initiating it like i thought they were going to just let them go as like a hey do you want to like talk a little bit in real life see where it goes yeah but apparently

she just didn't want to do that. That was really strange. And then like how much, how was that, was that persuaded? Was that a conversation? Because, you know, I always talk about how they don't really love, the production doesn't really love an ending that's like, me, man, you know? They want an ending that's like, engagement or breakup. The fact that they let Ava and, uh, and Kylie get away with it was because I think they needed

and wanted the drama of just that debate. I agree. um so you know maybe sam and peter to talk a little bit afterward but and maybe the same applies to olivia and michael i was oh you know olivia was sad too and peter was sad but you guys weren't gonna like what you weren't gonna go to fantasy sweets you guys have been to well those two michael and olivia i've been together for like a week oh i know and but like i felt for leaving she was having a good time and like I did feel kind of like they they could have just let her go with the well we'll see what happens that's what I mean just please just come on just get the girl hope because we all

liked her so much yeah she got the most screen time out of anybody like she had a meteoric rise in bachelor nation and I was here for it we I was invested in her love story and that was just disappointing because he just like gave up like it wasn't even she was like well she started off and she was really kind of hopeful and left it open and like not wanting to be like too hopeful. Then you just got a crush it. And I'm like, I didn't even like you anyways.

You know, I didn't even get to know Michael. I don't even really, I only liked Michael because he was with Libya. Yes. He said, I appreciate your time here. We appreciate that we had this time here together,

but I don't want to give you false hope. We're in two very different spots right now and leaving together is not a good idea. Yeah, that's pretty hard. Hey, weirdo. Like, that's weird to me.

You knew that last night. You knew that night before. How are you in different spots? So, like, what do you mean you're in different spots? Like, geographically, like, life-wise? Because, like, you better be open to a relationship, dude, if you came on the show. That's what I'm saying. It was so weird.

I don't know. I find it kind of felt like he used an abuser for a rose. I don't know. That's being speculative. But that was really disappointing. The Peter stuff, how that man was there from start to end. no idea and he who is he who is this man i don't i don't know he was from charity season yeah yes he was from charity season i know he's also he too is a pilot p but that's yes all i know and he has

hairless legs that's all i know jill i think that like why cast these people like sam and peter I've said this already before, but I want to get your opinion on it. Oh, he was sent home night one on charity season. Yeah. Okay. So I know that they love to bring a night oneer. And I do love a night oneer. It was Olivia, right?

Yeah. And then like him and then like look like grocery store Joe. Like they all hope that they like take Joe's route, you know, and look at Olivia. Perfect example. Amazing. But like I think you know that Peter wasn't going to be that kind of hit. so why incorporate people if you're going to put them there and then you're just not going to show them and we're not going to have anything invested in them right because like it just seems like

a throw away and I'm sure that there was more substance to him this is not a knock against him this is just like a knock against well I would feel like if you were there the whole time I should know more than three things about him and be more invested in his relationship like they went on a date and it was fun and whatever. Like, I know more about Sam from watching Bachelor in Paradise Canada, obviously, than I do from her this season. I just thought it was weird.

Yeah, it was weird. I don't feel like we've ever had such a throwaway couple or, like, throwaway contestants as we had this season. Yeah, it was so weird, like, because she came down to, like, save somebody and did she, she saved Peter, right? Rather than Sean or, like, whatever. I thought she was going to come down to save Sean

because we're like oh we'll keep the drama around for another week Right exactly so that was really strange But honestly I feel like maybe the producers just lost sight of that Or just like ah they're still here like whatever But he was I did feel bad for him because he was like I'm really hoping that we can leave together And I care about her so much and she was like sorry bye It seems like kind of a blind siding moment

Yeah She was like seeing the other couples I feel like we should have been further along I'm grateful for our time together but it doesn't feel right to continue this relationship again want to know whether that was a little bit

a little influenced and that like perhaps they hung out later oh maybe I feel like they probably did I feel like they probably did too but also you know it was weird to me like with a couple like Kylie and Avan don't you think they should

should have at least gotten a fantasy suite. To not have a fantasy suite at that level is weird. That was weird. I definitely expected that conversation to move over into like, okay, let's just like have to the night and we'll figure it out further. There's no shame to me as a viewer, but I guess it's embarrassing as a contestant, to go down to like that podium and be like, I want to leave here with you, but I'm not ready to put the ring on your finger.

I agree. I don't think there's anything wrong with that as long as you both are expecting that, which you can discuss in the overnight. Yeah. You know, like, there's nothing wrong with that. I think take the overnight just so you can really talk it through for what it is. Even if they wake up in the morning and there's like, you know, they realize they don't want to go to that podium. Like, I don't know. Yeah.

There's always a way out of it. I did think that it deserved a fantasy suite. And it was. It deserved it. And just another date night because I would have liked to see more. of just like them being together anyway all right well that's that's i think covered it anything else worth mentioning any like overall season thoughts um i feel like i honestly maybe people will disagree with me we need to bring back the two nights a week because we don't get the full story if you're going to

film for the same amount of time and the same amount of contestants and you're only going to give us one night a week it's not working for me so i think that like we're still getting the same amount of time though because it's 10 weeks versus what it used to be which was four or it was five or six really it used to be it used to be two hours and then an hour the next night and i think that when you do the math we're only off by a couple hours no last season we were four hours a week wait really last last last season was four hours a week of television holy crap and it was like eight or nine weeks it was long yeah and we had a reunion So I don't know, I'm just having, I'm struggling with this season because I'm not truly fully invested in really anybody besides people I love, but like, you know, personally, like there's no one I'm like, oh my God, I live and die, you know, oh my God, true love. I'm not feeling that way.

I didn't either. It was, what I have to say is while I enjoyed watching this season. Yeah. Drama was good. Because there were a couple good characters like Kat and Olivia. Yeah. I felt very uninspired by it. or some of the men were so uninspiring. Yeah. My sister and I would be like, these girls are so freaking pretty and it's just like... I know.

The guys just didn't give a rip. Like, just what's the point? I don't know. We need to like reinvigorate some of these men, you know? Yeah. I don't know. I did enjoy the season

because of the characters, for sure. Some of the storylines could have been better developed. Yeah. And I need some more solid couples. I just think that it just kind of sucked for them because I think they put a group of people

together and there wasn't a lot of compatibility. And that's just, you know, you've done it nine seasons. You've been really lucky to, geez, besides the first season, I think you have a couple from every season that's still together. Yeah. If you consider Jared and I season three and not season two because Carly and Evan. Oh, yeah. I think this is the problem.

think is there is with the show it's gotten so meta like before the show there's all this planning on what's going to happen before the show and then people feel obligated to abide by that because especially when they're like oh he's my number one two or three okay well i have to go them in this order there was it wasn't as organic and i also feel like you know what happened to the boom boom room that was like that's like a fun little thing that happens every season not my season And I think it started when they started, when the show kind of started editing that in like a really negative and salacious light. So there's all this kind of worry about how you're going to be portrayed and who's going to be with who and like trying to, because the backlash on social media is wild at times, you know. It is, it can be unbearable.

So I understand the fear of getting a bad edit, but the fear of the bad edit almost stifles the inspiration of the contest. Yes. Yes. so well put. Yeah. Wow, we had no boom boom room this season. No boom boom room. Think about the drama that that created like on a Kenny Murray season. I know. And for good, like, who cares? Because it happens in real life. You have one night stance. Who cares? You know? But because it's televised, like, I get it. And because your parents are watching, trust me, I got there. But I feel like some of the fun of paradise has been lost because of the fear of backlash and the fear of being portrayed in a negative

of light. Let's just have fun. Let's just have fun. Let's explore. I don't know. Yeah. All right. Well, guys, that is it for Bachelor in Paradise recap. We are going to resume things with Jill and we're going to do Bachelor headlines this week with her too. So stay tuned for that episode. Appreciate you guys. Love you. And until next time, I've been Ashley. I've been Jill. Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcasts on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor

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