The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Bad Sides in Paradise with Wells Adams

Episode Date: August 20, 2019

Our favorite bartender, Wells Adams is guest cohost with Ben this week! He was around for all the drama on Bachelor in Paradise this season and he’s ready to give us his honest take.How is the Christian/Jordan fight different than the Leo/Joe fight from last season? “Villains” are a plenty this season and we lack “heroes”. Which cast member’s bad side would you not want to be on?? Wells lets us in on why Derek Peth should be the next Bachelor Plus we check in with Jed to see if he is ready for what we have to offer.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And so one of the people that I love the most is now co-hosting this podcast with me this week. Wells Adams. Hey, buddy. Wells Adams, if you've never heard of him, is an incredibly attractive man, funny, charismatic, empathetic, good list. listener, uh, positive to be around and one of my favorite people in the world. And I'm not the only one that believes that. A lot of people love Wells Adams and we're lucky enough to have them this week. But Wells, I'm going to ask one thing of you. Okay. I want to give you the freedom to speak openly and honestly on this podcast about all the weirdos in Bachelor in Paradise. Be mean.

Okay. But can you do that? Yeah, but I don't know if, um, you wanting me to speak. Freak freely trumps what ABC wants me to say on your show. All right. Well, let's be nice then. I'll just be honest. Tell about that. Let's be honest. Let's be caring.

Let's be considerate. But also let's get into it. Before we get into The Bachelor in Paradise, I want to talk about one thing. Before we started recording, Wells and I were just talking about the idea of reading. And a lot of my friends today, well, they read a lot of books. And they tell me, I read this book and this book. and this book, and I love to read. It's one of my favorite things.

I just, quite honestly, and it's an excuse, but it's true. I don't have a lot of time to read. I try it about a chapter a night before bed. And then I find out that my friends, one of them is my best friend, Corey, who I love dearly, one of the wisest men I know, his wife listens to the podcast. He doesn't read. He listens to audible books. Do we consider that reading?

No, but you're still absorbing the information. So I do not read, can't read, severely. dyslexic, by the way. Some of you don't really know that about me, which is funny because I got into a line of business where I had to read a lot of copy. And how I got good at reading copy was I would kind of see what it was about, and then I would just say it how I would say it. And then people like that more because it seems more authentic than if you're just

like reading line by line, you know? So when I was a kid, I was like heavily medicated. I shouldn't laugh, but it's true. I was super ADD, super ADHD, and they gave me all the riddling in the world, and I had to listen to everything on tape because that's how, like, I could absorb information. So literally, I go through a book a week on Audible.

This isn't even an audible ad. Is it you guys, are we doing that one? But anyways, use our promo code Wells's dyslexic. But yeah, dude, and also, I live in L.A. and you're in traffic all the live long day. And so I'm just sitting there listening, I'll listen to your podcast and listen to my podcast. And then I listen to books on tape. So currently listening to The Shining, which I never had read The Shining, so good. Stephen King's amazing. So it's actually like audible books are a huge benefit to your life. Listeners, we want to ask you,

email us at Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com or hashtag the almost famous podcast. By the way, Listeners, you've been awesome. I've asked like, I think, two direct questions in the last three weeks of this podcast, and I bet we average maybe 100 responses on Twitter that I get to read. And they're really fun. They don't always agree with me. But I want to know if you think listen to audible books can be considered reading. Or should we rephrase it and say, I've listened to that book?

It's semantics. I mean, it really doesn't matter, but I get a little bit envious of my friends when they say they've read so much, and they just feel a lot smarter than I am. And really, they're just listening. Well, you can do that too, man. Listen to a book on tape and then have your chapter a night before you go to bed, and you're fine. To close this conversation, well, I have to admit one more thing to you.

There's this app that you can get and you can, like, access your local library. And so you can, like, rent audiobooks from your local library. And it was so hard for me to figure out that I gave up because I don't get technology. I'm terrible, like really bad at it. So, yeah, that's why I don't do it. Anyways, hey, Wells, you got a front row seat to paradise this year. We haven't seen much of you. I want to start this conversation by saying, why is that?

I don't like that. It's not fun. Well, I agree. It's not fun because I'm there for a long time and I'm putting a lot of hours. So I'm like, oh, I should be on this stuff. But in all fairness, a show isn't about me. there's no drama surrounding me if the show is about love and drama

then why would I be on it because I very rarely are involved in either of those things you know and I also think that I am the guy that gives a lot of people advice like my role on the show is to give people advice

and what they should do and they showed a little bit of like in the first two episodes and then it's kind of fallen off to the wayside and I think that's because I think that the perception is that people are making these decisions for themselves and if they keep on showing me

telling people what they should do then it just seems like I'm almost like creating storyline which I'm just really just being like I think you should go on a date because dates are fun they're always fun over there you know like giving those pieces of advice and I think if it just keeps on happening

the audience might be like well everyone just listening to what Wells has to say and they're not making any decisions for themselves That's how I'm rationalizing it in my brain For my ego Well, I don't think your ego should be hit Because, and we'll stop grilling you with questions We're co-hosts together here in a second

But I have so many questions for you They've asked you to be back now for what, three seasons Yeah, as the bartender So there's obviously a lot of benefit to having you there That's you are probably the first That I can remember Like cast member to transfer for over to a more hosting or like on television producer role and you've done it successfully they ask you to be

there they find a benefit in it somehow they just don't I think you what you're saying is they use you when they need you and right now they don't need you yeah I mean like I'm I live in credit role which I'm totally fine with right like that's so for people I don't know credit role is like at the end of the show when they're like doing all the credits of all the producers and stuff it's like a silly thing that I've said or done one of them was like Derek and I showing people how to kiss which I didn't I thought that was funny and I forgot that we had done that but you know and then you know in the episode last night it's it's we were playing this like silly game and Demi doesn't know who Nelson Mandela is which is funny but also very

sad so like if I live in like the funny comedic world of credit role totally fine with that I do wish that, like, in the last episode, there was a lot of, like, Derek goes through a lot, and, like, full transparency, Derek and I are very, very close. He was my roommate on The Bachelorette. This is, you know, he, I was on, I was the bartender when he got engaged to Taylor. This is our third show together. We've been good friends for a long time. And there were a lot of conversations that Derek and I had. And I think for some, for a lot of the conversations I have with people,

I don't really know them that well, so I'm just giving them my advice as someone who's been there for a while. What bummed me out about this most recent episode is there wasn't the conversation that I had with him as truly like one of my good friends and how I thought he should be going about this and how well I thought he was doing despite all the crap that he was going through. So that bummed me out, but can we just get a round of applause for how good Derek looks, by the way? yeah such a sweetie boy yeah he's uh we have so much talk about with derrick Derek is now just blowing up twitter two last questions for you wells one is uh you know we became friends i forget when probably Vegas a few years ago uh i immediately like truly did fall in love with you i love you as a human and it's odd that sometimes when life for me is being shook yeah like when i'm in a place there's two moments for us that i can remember

that I was in L.A. for one and we were in Vegas for one. It's, I do reach, like, one of the first people that come to mind, I have great friendships, close friendships, but you are one of the first people that I think of when I go, hey, I know somebody's going to listen, discuss, and be honest with me through it all and love me maybe more at the end of it than even the beginning of the conversation. I want to know on Paradise, you walk a thin line. I've seen it in my friendship with you that you're really good at giving advice, but you walk a thin line between being just the guy that knows it all and the friend that can relate where does your source of wisdom come from when you walk into these conversations and you see people doing the weirdest things

fighting on the beach um love triangles you do it in a way that i watch and i admire because it's free of judgment it's based in love and it works and i want to know where that where that insight comes from i don't know and i don't know if i agree with you on that but thank you um No, here's the thing. You're going to have to agree with me to answer this question. So I don't want you to be humble. That is a very widely accepted thought by most people. And if anybody that doesn't, doesn't know you.

And so for the sake of this question, believe what I just said. Okay. So I'll answer this to you. I have the helicopter view of the show. And I say that being I get every side of the story. Everyone has their own narrative in their head and how they see things and how they think things are being perceived.

But everyone comes to me and just that's also part of like my role is to be like when I show up to work and on Paradise I have no idea what's going on. Like I wasn't there the night before or I wasn't there in the morning so I don't know what's going on. So I'll be like, okay, so hold on, what's happening? And then everyone will kind of download me on the information.

So when you get all that, you get everyone's perspective and then someone comes with a like serious question about whatever issue it is, I can answer it honestly because I know how everyone feels and I know what I can like sense the room, right? Like I can read the room and I know like, hey man, everyone's upset, you know, like you need to go fix this or like so-and-so really has feelings for you. And I know that because seven people told me about that, you know? So I think that I'm knowledgeable, not because I'm having this innate ability to like figure out things I'm knowledgeable because I just have more information than everybody else does. Does that make

sense? It does. I'd also say to kind of close that thought would be that there is something that I admire in you that if I was the bartender, I don't think I would have every single person from that's on the cast be coming to me with sensitive information. And I think that is something that you've done well at creating a safe place for them to tell you these things. And as a result, you're better at your job and better at what you do in your role because people feel safe to speak with you. And for three years, you have been able to do that at an intimate level, at a close level to where people still trust you, believe in you, and come to you for, I mean, I would still, as a person, as a human, come to you outside of the show for advice and guidance.

And I think that is something that we shouldn't overlook. And I'm consistently impressed with that on the show for you. Well, to switch gears a little bit. Yeah. you have been around for three years we have a mutual friend in the long gale who we love and respect dearly yep uh we've gotten a lot of emails and some tweets here over the last few weeks as drama continues to unfold in this show and it doesn't feel like we have a lot of things to celebrate yet i think we will at the end i hope um what have you seen the impact of along gale being gone from your seat long gale was the

executive producer really one of the he was the first to kind of help start uh, Bachelor in Paradise. This is his first season, no longer being with the show. Bachelor in Paradise was his baby. The show moved on, and so did he. But there has to be some impact. I would agree with that. And you can kind of feel it when we were filming as well. Just because he was such a powerful and a big presence, a lot of people from the cast really look up to him and respect him. Like, my thing with Alon always was I always, besides the fact that he looks like Nostradamus, he also kind of like acts like Nostradamus, you know? Like, he's got those eyes that you're just like, oh my God, like you can see into my soul.

And he was just like a very wise guy. But the thing that I think everyone was concerned about is that, and if you follow Alon on any of his platforms, you can realize that he's a very funny person. he's you know he's like a stand-up he's he's a comedic guy and i think people what people were concerned about was that that was going to be something that was lost from the show um and i don't know if i think it has or it hasn't because we're still kind of in the middle of it but alon liked a lot of like the kind of funky bits and like i'm trying to think of some of them a lot of them revolved around me like the my my part in paradise was the brainchild of me and alon's

friendship um so like a lot of like scallop fingers and puppets and like all that kind of stuff that we did in the past i was kind of like i guess people would say like hokey bits um we knew that those would go away because he wasn't kind of steering the ship anymore um but at the end of the day like the show is serious but still it is is funny. I mean, like, the opening credits are still funny. There's still funny things that are happening. So, I mean, I don't know. What do you think after seeing Alon exit? You know, Alon's, for anybody out there listening, Alon's always been this figure that Batchar Nation has been kind of just amazed by and confused by because he is this massive

figure that stands like, what, 5'8? Like, he just like takes up a room with his presence and you don't quite understand why. And I've never been able to put my finger on what makes him Alon. What makes him able to be within the drama, sometimes even help create the drama yet trusted in loves consistently year over year. It's an amazing quality. I mean, it was so amazing. The heat was the one that officiated Ashley and Jared's wedding.

And I bet Alon was semi responsible for a lot of the tears that we saw Ashley have in her time on The Bachelor. but yet she still trusts, loves, and admires him. And I think there's a good reason for that. I feel the same way about him. But I don't know if we see, I think what we're seeing this season, and I don't know if this is Alon or what, it's been really hard for me personally,

and these are my friends, to really root for any of these people consistently. Because I feel like there's been so many ups and downs and so much drama and wild changes is that the storytelling has lacked a bit, and it's just kind of resorted back to the drama every week. I feel like I'm holding on to the drama, and instead of the celebrating the love stories

that in the past have continued to attract me to paradise. Yeah, I think we're maybe at a turning point in the season for now going forward. There's going to be like a lot of love shown. I mean, I think that we're now through the muck and the mire of the, Hannah and Dylan and Blake thing. So like that's something that everyone's going to be able to celebrate. I mean, Clay and Nicole finally are able to see where their love story goes because Christian and Jordan are effectively gone.

You know, I, they're, Dean said no to a date. So he's allowed to like continue things with Kalin. So I think that we're at, we're at that pivotal point where like things can actually start to coalesce and, and we can follow those. love stories um but i kind of agree with you you know like there there's been a lot of like character assassination for the most part on the show this year and not a lot of um character praising i think is yeah is what i'm concerned about a little bit because like you know blake looks bad blake's not a bad guy like he's not really that bad of the guy you know like i'm waiting

for his storyline to like look good again you know like i would need a story arc from him um I don't know I don't think you're wrong I'm hoping that changes I'm excited for it to change but that's how I feel so far Hey Wells before we start breaking down the episode and what's going on

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We're coming back with Wells Adams to break down this week's episode of Bachelor in Paradise. We had a cliffhanger last week. We saw a fight going down between Jordan and Christian while Clay sat on a bed calmly. And it was all over. I don't think it was actually over Nicole. I would argue, I think a lot of the tweets and stuff and we're referencing that this was over Nicole. I think this was kind of catalyzing back at Menthol when Christian got up and had his moment in front of everybody when he was gone. on night one. I think Jordan just doesn't like that. I don't think Jordan really enjoys

anybody else having their moment when they don't deserve it. And so the fight happens. It's a legitimate fight. And the thing that interests me, Wells, is you're there. Like, what is the kind of the environment feeling like as these two men are throwing each other around a beach? Okay. So to like talk about Clay real quick, do you remember in the wedding singer when Adam Sandler's kind of like just losing it? And there's that one, moment where the other wedding singer pulls outside the curtain and goes they're losing their minds and I'm

reaping all the benefits. I feel like that's what Clay's Clay's is sitting there being like oh my god I'm looking good now you're not wrong you're actually right he's probably what I mean because Clay's a smart dude he's probably sitting there going everything I hope for

in this moment is happening right now. Yeah of course also I feel like if Clay touched either of those guys they might explode he is a monster of a man so like I don't know if those are if his fists are registered weapons

but I think that they're they definitely could like hold up in court that could be an issue so he was just like nope staying back um okay so I talked about this on my other podcast and I can kind of do the same thing here um

unfortunately I don't think Jordan is reading the room very well I think that he did a better job of it last season. And so effectively, Jordan's doing what he did last season against chicken. Remember, chicken was kind of like chipping away at his relationship with Jenna, kind of always kind of being annoying. So he brought Jenna this giant teddy bear or dog or whatever. And Jordan in that crazy floral one piece walks out and grabs a dog and throws into the ocean.

and because he read the room and he knew that kind of like Chicken was in on the joke Chicken never really cared chicken was just always kind of messing with Jordan and never was taking it seriously Now Jordan does the exact same thing right

Now his big moment last year was him throwing this giant dog into the ocean So he's like all right If it worked before it'll work again I'm going to go throw this giant pinata into the ocean Now his problem is that he didn't read the room very well because Christian doesn't is not in on the joke he's like dude don't mess

my pinata like that's messed up right yeah and unfortunately things go really really wrong and the truth is that that was a in real time that was a very scary moment that was the like the Joe and Leo fight was not as um as not as scary as that one because the way that Jordan brings Christian down, he could have really hurt Christian, like million-dollar baby style. Off of that, that little daybed, there's a step there that I don't even know

if you see when you're watching on TV. He could hit his head. He could have done something, and it could have been really, really bad. Also, confirm or disconfirmed, did Jordan, like, wrestle in high school? Because that was a pretty crazy move he pulled. on Christian.

A lot of anger was behind that move. I only am able to pull off that move with any other man if I have an adrenaline rush of anger that has been built up for a bit. Yeah. And then if you thought that there was a lot of pent up aggression and anger with Jordan,

then all of a sudden Christian is on PCP and he's like able to like turn over a VW bug. 17 million producers and security guards jump on him and he's like a grease pig out there he gets away and we were like oh my god and there was a moment if you watch that episode you see me run out and i run about 15 feet and then i say to myself what the hell am i doing what am i going to be able to do i'm going to go back to the bar and then i go back but you give it a good attempt i appreciate the thought the i mean

those are scary moments it's like you said i think i was even watching the episode i felt like Christian did hit his head on that step. I don't know if he did or not. But this is something built up to where all of a sudden, the whole energy of paradise has to change. Do you feel like these moments connect the cast? Or do they isolate the cast even more? You know, I don't know. I mean, like, Christian was so new to the scene that I don't think anyone cared either way about him coming or going. I think for Jordan, he's known as kind of the guy that kind of does this stuff. so everyone was just like, I mean, you know, it's par for the course, I suppose. I remember last year with the Joe Leo fight, it definitely brought everybody together.

Like, there was a bad guy and a good guy, and everyone knew which side to be on. This one was just kind of, it was just, it was just odd in general and, like, really kind of scary. So, I don't know. I didn't love that Jordan did that and I just wish that if he had done it he had done it in a floral one piece again you know I really I really do

though this I mean there is humor to me as scary as the moment was there was humor to me and watching all the guys sit on the daybed and watch us go down including Clay like you said I mean Clay could have ended this thing at any moment if he wanted to and they sat there and I do think at some level Clay was saying, well, I'm a football player. I've seen aggression. I've seen

violence. Like this isn't scary for me. I've been around it most of my career. Yeah. And whatever's happening here is ultimately going to end up really good for me. And I want to tie this then into the Hannah G. and Blake scenario with Dylan. While I'm watching this episode and while I'm watching the cocktail party, Dylan feels like he's opposite of Clay. And to where he's watching from a distance and seeing this go down with Hannah and Blake and going, this isn't good for me. Something here is happening that is ultimately not going to end up in my favor, especially why Blake is having all these mariachi band singers come out and play for him. At any point for you, did you doubt that Dylan and Hannah were ultimately going to be standing together at the end of that

night? Yes. I doubted it for a while. I would say that the guy that I gave the most advice to was Dylan because I could really relate to the guy that was like going after the girl that's like probably way out of his league and I was just like all right these are things you got to do to make this work out for you the problem was is that there was

time out what would that advice been I want to what what are some things that you would do to get to bat some to land somebody way out of your league I don't know you've got to go look at like early tweets between Sarah and I suppose to figure out exactly what I did. A lot of my stuff for him

was like, this is going to be hard for you. And I think that the thing that you're going to be able to, that you're going to have to do if you want to come out on top is you're going to have to be steady eddy this entire time. And you're going to go through the ringer and it's going to be bad because guess what? She's like the queen of paradise right now. Like if you could embody what paradise looks like, it's Hannah G. And like, just beautiful, supermodel, blonde walking on the beach. Like, you got to know that if you're going after the thing that's almost unattainable, everyone else is going to be going after it too.

So you got to be chill. And that's like in that episode where he's like watching them make out. And I was like, dude, turn around. Look at me. Don't watch this anymore. Because it's just going to get in your head. And we had a lot of those conversations of like, just be chill, just be chill. The issue is, is that Dylan didn't really have a relationship with,

Hannah before the show and we find out on the show that Blake you know had gone out to Birmingham and they had kind of like started this thing and so unfortunately Dylan even though like she was she was into him he was starting further back in the blocks you know yeah yeah Blake was was was was was our got like a like a hundred yard start on it and so that was tough and we all knew that was going to be an issue for him that's why I was like just keep with it, you know? Like, don't blow up and maybe things will work out for you. And so far they have.

The part that stresses me out, Will, is and I want to hear your advice on this because I watch is for Dylan and we're rooting for Dylan. You told me that Dylan is one of the best men you've ever met. And so as a result, I'll trust that and I'll cheer for him. And like you said, Blake isn't about, I'm not rooting against Blake here. I know Blake. And I think he made some really terrible decisions. And I don't think he thought it through, but I don't think he's a bad guy.

Um, but, and tell me if I'm completely off. I watch it right now and I see Dylan chasing and I see Dylan pursuing and I see him being, uh, steady in his thought, but I'm almost stressed for him because I know in my relationship now, how comfortable and confident I am in it. Like there isn't an anxiety of, oh my gosh, when's she going to leave me or am I, you know, oh, I'm going to wake up today and she's no longer going to like me or she's no longer and I think I'm decent as a human. Like, I don't have those fears,

and it's the best part of my relationship. And it's the best part of, I think, any committed relationship. When does that happen when you are pursuing somebody at such a high level, where they are a little bit unattainable? When does that switch? Does it ever switch?

Is it going to switch for Dylan where he's going to be confident and comfortable in this relationship with Hannah? I mean, the piece of advice that I gave him a lot that I don't think you ever followed, but it, you know, that's fine, was you got to play it cool a little bit more than you're doing. Like, there was a part of me that was like, you're on her hip a lot. He would say things like, look how hot she is.

Look how beautiful is all the time, which is a wonderful thing to hear. But also the truth is that like women also like a little bit of a chase and like a little bit of mystery and stuff. And so I just wanted to like reiterate that to him. but the fact of the matter is is that if Dylan was if it doesn't work out for Dylan and Hannah it wouldn't have been

a Dylan problem it would have been a Hannah problem because he did and to this point has done everything right you know he's he's been like I'm only here for you if it's not I'm going to go home it's fine like

he has that phenomenal line of like this isn't about this isn't about like getting you this summer it's about like getting you after the summer and forever so I butcher what he said he did it much more eloquently and it was like you're saying all the right things

so I got nothing but respect and mad love for Dylan like that's the problem with this season is there's not a lot of heroes there's a lot of kind of okay people and villains for the most part and like it was a breath of fresh air to have

a guy like Dylan in there doing the thing that I think that all women hope that all men do do for them, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And I think this is, and we'll get into it a little bit, but I do think there's a turning point in this episode where I do start to feel like there's some heroes out there. But before we get to that, I want to talk for a second about how this cocktail party ended.

And I think those are two main themes that we should discuss is the Blake, Dylan, Hannah-Drama, along with the fight. But here's how the cocktail party ended. Demi picks Derek. Katie picks Chris Nicole picks Clay Katelyn picks Dean obviously Tisha picks JPJ

which is one of the most surprising relationships in Paradise so far one that I do enjoy Sydney picks Mike Hannah picks Dylan and a turn of events I think I don't know if it was made up for TV or not but it felt like it was a

probably as a friend a good moment for Blake because it humbled him to know that he needs to kind of readjust his approach and thought process and that the time spent with anybody before the show might not be in his favor now. And so it is a little bit of the,

you know, I think there was a lot of buildup. And we unfortunately even did it on the almost famous podcast where we really built up the Hannah and Blake relationship. We built them both up to be that unattainable figure in Paradise. They both went into it, I think, expecting to kind of be the king and queen of paradise. and I think we see in this moment almost where Blake gives up that thought

that he is going to be the king of paradise and I actually believe it's going to be in his favor. Yeah, I think the thing that Blake's needs the most is like a little bit of humble pie. And I kind of equate Blake to Dean from a couple years ago. The problem is that I don't think that Blake has done anything wrong, really. I mean, he's a single guy. He could have done things a little bit better.

If you're going on a reality TV show with a bunch of women, maybe you don't hook up with all of them before, you know, you go on there. But like, you know, like you said, he didn't kill anybody. He didn't rob anybody. Like, he didn't really do anything really, really bad. But it doesn't mean that, like, your actions don't follow you around, right? And I thought that Dean a couple years ago, his whole thing was like, well I'm being so honest

I'm telling everyone I'm telling everyone the truth about me so I can't be the bad guy well you can tell everyone the truth and still be kind of an ass right and I think that Dean needed to watch that back to be like whoa I need a course correct a little bit like I need to work on some things

and I think that as bad as this looking for Blake I think this is ultimately going to be a good thing because he's going to learn a whole lot about himself and how to carry himself, like, going forward, you know? Yeah, I agree. And with Hannah and Dylan, I think that you see it, it was a couple episodes beforehand

where Hannah comes to me and we talk. And I say the thing to her of, like, there seems to be this thing that you can't shake with Blake, but you need to make a decision at this point. And that was a conversation we had, like, she was like, I just don't know what to do in terms of the road ceremony. And I think,

that she had to make some tough decisions and figure out like what was really going to make her happy and then she did it but I agree with you like I think that everyone just wants some clarity right and Blake got it after that rose ceremony it's got to be a tough it's got to be a tough position for Hannah and I also wonder how Blake I mean I think we've all seen that Blake is struggling with this. He was definitely, I mean, even from the other cast members, he doesn't have a lot of support on his side as we watch his show back. And I think it's going to be a really hard lesson to learn. But I do, I am excited to see how Blake moves on because we're going to be able to see it. Christina chose Blake in a fashion that, you know, I don't know if she had anybody else

to choose. I don't think she was feeling anything with anybody else. He's going to be around for a few more weeks. It will be intriguing to see how his story plays out if he is able to kind of take a step back. and if the cast around him is able to support him at all because so far, yeah, they started out not on his team and as we speak today, they're not on his team and he's watching this back and I don't think he expected to not be on anybody else's team.

Hey, the guys that got sent home this week, Cam, I don't think it's that surprising. I just don't. I mean, the guy cared, he fought it, he kind of put his eggs in one basket that didn't work. Will's, wills is surprising that he went home, I mean, I think since Will's has been on the show, people have admired him, especially women, have, you know, said how wonderful he is and how beautiful he is as a human.

But yet, he's gone. And this has been a consistent theme in his time on the show is he comes in, a lot of excitement around him, and then he goes home earlier than we expect. What did you see in Will's and what do you see watching it back that kind of mess this journey up? Will's is a guy that annoys me on reality TV a lot and I love in reality a lot. He is like a larger in life person when cameras aren't around and I don't know what happens but and he's so funny and so gregarious and just an awesome dude when there are no cameras and sound guys and all of a sudden when that happens he still has that bravado but it disintegrates so quickly when things don't go his way.

And at the end of the day, like, no one wants to be around the sad sack. Now, the fact of the matter is is that Will's wasn't the most sad sack guy this week. It was Cam. Like, he just would mope around. But you have to exude the person that you want to be. And you have to exude the person that you think that people want to be around. And when you start moping around, no one wants to be around you. and it just becomes a thing of like,

let's just put him out of his misery and get him the hell out of here. And I think that that's honestly what happened. Now, I felt bad for him because it was last year where he was supposed to get where Bibby was like, I'm going to give you my rose to like keep going or whatever. And I think what she did was like, I think she pieced out. I can't remember exactly. But I remember he was bummed that he was thinking that she was going to give him the rose and it didn't happen. And the same kind of thing happened again this year where,

Is it on Yanka that is like, peace, I'm out, which is a brutal move, but, I mean, I love it for TV. It gets new blood in there, but it's a three-person swing, whereas before it was just going one person going home. Now, all of a sudden, three people are going home. So anyways, that's my thing about wills. I love them to death, but you got to, you got to, if you're feeling down yourself, you got to still kind of like put on the brave face and still charm everybody, you know? Yeah.

No, that makes sense. And I wonder, because there is a mystery there. We don't see a lot of Wills. We don't get to know a lot about Wills. We seem to enjoy Wills. And then all of a sudden, Wills is gone every time we watch his show. The other guy that's gone is Kevin.

We don't know about a lot about Kevin. He makes some comments unwarranted about Blake, and he's out of there. Yeah. Now we're moving into the next day after the cocktail party. Feelings are hurt. Emotions are high. And we're moving on.

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Find the one nearest to you at sleet number.com backslash. Ben. We get producer Amy on the line with some breaking news, a massive announcement. Amy, I have zero idea what you're about talk about. I want to get your thoughts on it. Okay. I kind of want to get everybody's thoughts on it as well as still there. Oh yeah. So we're doing this event called SoCal Country at the brewery. It's at the Miller Brewery in Irwindale. And Janet Kramer's hosting it. There's great country music. I want to asked Jed to perform.

Oh. I think, like, you know, I listened back again to his interview that we did and the in-depth. And, like, I think it's time. Like, let's give this guy a shot. So I want to see what you guys think. Wait, can we have a contingency here? Yeah. He has to sing the dog food jingle.

If he doesn't encore with the dog food jingle, no. money. No money. I mean, I'm going to have you guys call him, but I wanted to, like, talk about it first because I think it's time. I think it's like, he made mistakes, but like, this guy's a cool guy who we all liked on TV. And it's like, I thought it would be fun. So I did mention it to him briefly. He, you know, he's nervous and has reservations too, but I think he's on board. And this is so nice. Like, he's willing to totally donate his time for us. And, you know, come out and have fun and like meet people. So I want to do it.

I want to see what you guys think. And then I want you guys to call Jed and talk about it. I think you're handing Jed a silver platter. And if he doesn't say yes to this, he's crazy. That's what I think. I think it doesn't really matter what's right or wrong. Jed needs to say yes. And it's more about the fans.

Like I think like I hope everyone listening is like, you know what? Okay. Like let's go meet him. Let's go talk to him. let's listen to them play. And I know it's a feel like polarizing thing with the that's the people in the music. But it's like the dude is a kind of a cool singer.

Let's do it. I'm fine with it. But also this isn't my show. I mean, what do we want? Okay. So let's break this down, Amy. Okay. Ultimately, what do we like,

the alternative of this would be me saying, no, it's not a good idea. And Jed should suffer for the rest of his life and never have a gig again. And nobody should ever support him or listen to his music. music and instead he needs to go off and do whatever it is he's not passionate about and doesn't love no of course i'm not going to say that like that way it sounds yeah that doesn't sound good no so let's say let's call up jed let's talk to him about it and then i think wells and i both agree that jed you need to say yes to this you need to do it and if nobody shows up to listen

to you sing at least you're singing and that's what you like well and here's the beauty of it this other country band, High Valley is performing this other country band, Hardy's performing, it's hosted by Jana, like, people are coming already. So it's like, it's a really great time, and it's like, we're Iheart radio. We're supposed to be all about The Bachelor. We're about the good and the bad and the forgiveness and the love and the whole thing. So my thing, like, this guy's a really cool guy. Let's give him a chance. I think we all remember when we didn't like Dean and we love Dean. Do we love Dean? Jeez. Do we ever? Tweets. Yeah, holy cow, everybody loves Dean. Hey, all right, Amy, call them up.

But will you text me because I'm a little nervous because I want to know how it goes. Because I'm in San Francisco, so I'm like, not there with you. So will you text me after and tell me how it goes? Yeah, definitely. We'll call them up right now. Okay. I love you guys. Bye. All right, let's bring Jed on. Wow. What is up with your guys' audio? Jed, are you in a windstorm right now? This is, Jed, Welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Is that better? There it is.

So much better. Hey, Jed, you have Wells Adams and I here today for the Almost Famous Podcast. We're calling to hopefully talk some sense into you. I don't know if you'll need it or not. We just got off the phone with producer Amy. Iheart has invited you to sing at their event on Saturday, September 7th, from 3 to 10 p.m. It is called the SoCal country. the brewery they want you to perform and we want to hear if you're going to do it or not

you know what um i think i'm into it that sounds fun yeah yeah let's do it any hesitation not at all you know that sounds exciting you know i haven't played a lot of shows since everything's gone down um just kind of been taking some time and uh i'm i'm ready to get back out there and do some stuff so yeah let's do it the uh the event will be this so if you want to come and listen to jed play uh jed there's one stipulation that that wells is laid out there you need to play the dog food jingle i think uh that's just necessary uh but also if anybody out there is listening and saying i want to go to this event this is the event you got live music great beer you can come together at the socal country at the brewery presented by miller light live performances will include

Jed, High Valley, Hardy, Redwood, Black, DJ Bad Ash. And it's hosted, yeah, I like that name. It's hosted by Janet Kramer. Jed, you haven't played a lot of gigs since your time on The Bachelor. Et, is it because you feel like the fans aren't in support of you right now, or just too much has been going on? It's really been more of just too much going on. I need to, like, clear my head, you know.

I think obviously there are so much like, there's so many things just like floating around and everyone was very angry and, you know, I was upset too and I just needed to take some time to myself. But like I said, I'm ready to get back out there and I think this sounds like a great way to kick off, you know, some new beginnings. How are you feeling these days, by the way, man? I'm a lot better, you know. I'm in Florida right now.

I'm on a vacation with my whole family, so I'm feeling, I'm feeling more grounded. So that's good. Awesome. I thought this is going to be a lot harder of a cell. Yeah. Like I thought we're going to have to convince it. This is not fun anymore. It's just like, yeah, I'm into it.

Sure. Okay. Why not? Yeah. Sounds like a good idea. I mean, I was convinced, Jed, we were going to call you up and be like, are you crazy? Don't be an idiot. I heart's offering you a gift.

Go do it. And people will come out to support you. But instead, you're like, yeah, it seems like a good idea. So, hey, if anybody wants to show up, make sure you go listen to a great show, some really great acts, hosted by Janet Kramer, Sokowl at the Brewery, presented by IHeart and Miller Light.

Hey, Jed, good luck. Let us know how it goes. And that's all I have to say. I'm glad you're doing well. I'm glad you're happy. Enjoy your vacation. Yeah, enjoy your vacation. And go play some music.

You know what? I really am excited and I didn't. really mean to sound, you know, like I wasn't. It's just, you know, it's kind of a cool surprise to get, and I wasn't expecting to hear that today. So I am thankful and look forward to seeing everyone there. That's awesome, man. Well, we're excited about it.

Dude, thanks for taking the time to chat with us. And also, thanks so much for doing this. This is going to be a fun little show. No, thank you guys. I look forward to it. All right. See, Jed. Later, dude.

Later. Do you think Jedd wears cowboy boots at these shows? Yeah. Yeah. What are like, what, is his attire more than like the t-shirt, jeans, cowboy boots, trucker hat? Or is he like full-on cowboy flannel, tight jeans, cowboy boots, cowboy hat? It's either the first one or maybe it's like the, um, the rolled up jeans, no shoes. Gonna try to get into like the beer selling business as well, you know, like a Kenny Chesney style.

I don't know what's happening. But I do think, here's my thing. I think that Jed should like go full Garth Brooks, Chris. Gaines change his name, change his hairstyle, you know, try that out. Let's reinvent Jed Wyatt. It's only for the best. Hey, Wells, let's break down the rest of the episode. We're getting into the day after the cocktail party. And trust me, if you didn't watch, you need to. Things are going to be wild and a lot of love is existing. But I thought we should talk about one more sponsor. Boobes. Boobes before we, uh, we continue. Because let's,

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He was not chosen by the woman of his dreams, yet he was chosen by Christina. Somebody has had a relationship in the past. Is there any romantic connection at this point between Christina and Blake? I think yes, just because you always will have a romantic connection with an ex. just because, like, you know, well, they went to stagecoach together. So you know what that means. But I do think that, like, the ship has sailed for their relationship.

And I think at this point, they both are kind of, I don't really know, but they're both kind of like, well, we'll float each other. You know, we'll be giving out friendship roses together for a while. I don't know. What is your vibe on it? I can't tell if either of them are that supportive of each other. I guess that's my big question is if they were down in Paradise and they're both like fighting for the other, then it makes sense. I don't get if there's like romantic chemistry, if they're just both in the same team, if they had this conversation beforehand, before they got on the show and they're like, hey, we're going to go down there and support each other.

It just feels weird to me. And maybe I've missed this and I've forgotten it. It feels weird to me that it felt like Christina came down to paradise to kind of call Blake out and kind of say, Blake, you did this to me. this isn't fair. Similar to the Kalin's situation. I mean, really, their stories are very similar when it comes to Blake's up with one of them the night before and vice versa. Yet now this change of heart has happened,

and I don't think we've seen why. Well, she kind of mentions that she wants to watch Blake suffer and see Blake be sad about Dylan and Hannah being a thing, which is kind of... Super evil. Yes. I watch you cry every day.

I don't, like, and I've always been a fan of Christina. But that comment is like pretty dark. Yeah, Christina is, I was talking about this with a friend the other day and I think it holds true. I think that Christina has been the victim of F. Boyery for quite some time. on national television and she was al-a-dean and she didn't like the way

that she was perceived as being like weak and emotionally clingy on that season so I feel like there's a part of her deep down that's like you know what

I've been confronted with another F-boy and I'm going to do the thing that I wish I had done before which is you know I don't know hurt him

because I know what it's like to be hurt by guys like that so at this point does Blake have any people on his team in paradise and the fall up to this

as you think about that would be if I'm Blake and I'm standing at a rose ceremony and Christina offers me a rose and I know that she has ulterior of motives or I sense it why in the world do you say yes because I think he's hoping

that he can somehow, I don't know, reconstruct his image. So he's around to try to figure out how this is all gone wrong to get a second chance and to try to fix what has already been broken. I think so. What do you think? Yeah. I mean, I would think so. I mean, that'd be the only reason.

Because if, because at this point, we haven't seen any type of apology or, you know, true friendship between Christina and Blake. And so if I'm Blake and I'm heartbroken that Hannah hasn't offered me the rose, I'm standing up there. And then all of a sudden, Christina offers me the rose. And I go, wait, you, you don't have my best interest in mind. I think I'm running. Like, I'm out of there.

This has not been in my favor. I know this isn't going to get any better. Like, there is no fixing to what always been done. I need to leave now. Yeah. I agree. I think he should have gone probably a couple episodes beforehand. I mean, he made a lot of bad decisions.

I think one of them, Paramount, was accepting to go on a date with Christina. Like, you knew that was going to not go well. You knew that there was not going to be a thing. What's the point of it? You should have been like, hey, listen, I still love you, and I hope nothing the best for you. You should go find someone here for you. We don't need to hash this out anymore.

But he did that, and that put him behind the eight ball once again, because then she just went Talons out and just destroyed him there. and then I think she felt maybe a little bit bad about it so she was like you know what he deserves a fine love or whatever so I'm going to give him a friendship rose I don't know if I remember right if I remember right she does say

Blake's not a bad guy he's made some bad decisions and so her her thought process is hey this dude like he's been beat up does he deserve it a little bit yeah probably does but let's at least keep him around to see if he can show the Blake

that we all know outside of his you know gallivanting around Yeah. It's a weird thing, man. And it's also like Christina just comes across as just kind of mean in this episode. I have to be honest with you. Like I was sitting there being like, wow, I didn't know this is how this went. Like her conversation with Caitlin. Yeah. You know, I think Caitlin was coming from a fair place being like, what are your intentions here? Because I don't think you want to date him. So you just want the rose? If that's true, that's messed up. Because I think that I actually have something with him, and you're kind of impeding that. And then she just like does like the scary Russian thing where all of a sudden she was just like breathing over her with a knife in her teeth. And it was terrifying.

And Caitlin felt it. For sure. Like felt the heat. It's we got a question last week. Well, you might be able to answer it because we've got to figure this out. If Blake would have said no to Christina's Rose at that moment, do they both go home? I think so, yes. We've never seen that play out.

It was asked on the podcast list. We had no, we have no clue. Yeah. Can we confident? Okay. I think, yes, both go home. So if there's one person now sitting with, who is one person in paradise that you do not want to get on their bad side? Would you say it would be Christina?

100%. Right now. 100% Christina more than Jordan more than Kaelin more than Clay

I don't know what is Christian Demi like Christina is the one person you're saying yeah that one would definitely terrify me

she scares me a little bit I mean like Demi would scare me a little bit too I think but yeah yeah no Christina like she's also like been around and she's like

when she was like no honey like whatever she said. I was like, oh, God, they're going to fight. Yeah. You know, it's wild. It's hard for me. I had the biggest crush on Christina when she was on, I forget whose season it was. And Nick's. Yeah, Knicks. I was this super sweet girl. And now I'm like, if I was in paradise with her, like, I would, I would be so intimidated. Not because of like a crush, maybe just like, I don't want, I'm going to do something wrong, say something wrong. And it's going to be bad.

Yeah, she's definitely, like, turned into something that I don't really recognize, to be honest with you. Like, when she was going through all that stuff with Dean, I felt so bad for her. I mean, I had that, like, that one scene where I ask her, like, why are you fighting for someone that's not fighting for you? And, like, she breaks down and, like, it was this whole thing and we hugged. And, like, I felt so bad for her. And now it's like, she is. a very, very, seems like a very, very angry woman.

I don't know. And you might have said it best, you know, as we've gotten to see her journey kind of play out. She has been a victim of some pain on this show. And you do put up walls to protect yourself. And this pain might be deeper than what we've ever really seen from the show, meaning that,

you know, when it comes to Dean, she didn't like how it played out. And when it came to Blake, however it went down outside of the show, it then affected her coming on to the show. There are some massive pains. And as a result, she's protecting herself.

And this is the, we've, here's the truth. None of us are our best selves when we're defensive. Yeah. None of us. And she's definitely defensive right now because the reason I'm saying that, and again, again, again, I'm not down there. I can't see it. I think she's defensive because we still have yet to see her really pursue a guy.

Yeah. You know, I, I think it comes down to, she always perceived herself as this really strong woman who overcame a lot of stuff obviously from her upbringing and everything and I think that she hated the way that she looked last time and she was like I get to be

I want to be that really strong woman on TV this time and I want to show people like who I am and what I made of the problem is that sometimes it just comes across as really abrasive and and then I she doesn't in my mind seem strong she seems kind of mean.

Yeah. It's a final line you've got to walk. Who's someone that you'd be scared to get on their bad side? Demi. Demi would destroy me. She would crucify me. She's way too witty, way too quick, way too smart, and she would say things that like, yeah,

I would not know. Even at one point was we were at the live taping of the Mentel All. Or no, after the final rose for Colton season. And Demi was in her dressing her with me. And I went up and I was like, hey, Demi, I'm Ben. She's like, yeah, you've badmouthed me on your podcast. And I was like right away. And I was like, oh, did I?

I mean, I was like, well, I'm just, you know, trying to break down the episodes. And what I'm seeing on the show, she's like, you called me a pest. And I was like, well, in a sense, I still stick to that because you're like a lovable. You're like a lovable pest that like we can't get rid of, but yet we don't know if we really want to. Like, you're like scabies or scabs or something like that. Like, we just can't get rid of you. And she was like, not happy. Like, not happy.

And at that moment, I shrunk. Like, I could feel myself shrink. And I feel like by the end of the night, I was on my hands and knees me like, Demi, please forgive me. I'm sorry. I don't mean anything I said. You're the best. You're the greatest.

Like, I love you. And now I watch it, Demi, and I do. I love him. We'll talk about Demi a little bit. But anyways, yeah, I'm still scared of Demi. Probably for rightly so. So Christina and Demi are definitely the two, the intimidators. Somebody that doesn't intimidate me, but I'm shocked by is Caitlin, who shows up the

Paradise this week. She's from Colton Seas and the Batch. We don't see a lot of her on Colton's season. Is she a night one girl? No, she stuck around for a little bit but she obviously didn't make it as far as most women from Colton's season that are there right now. I was excited to see her

because I thought that she looked exactly like the girl from Fool's Gold or also the girl from Entourage that dated Vinnie. So anyways, if you guys just want to Google that, they look exactly the same. But I was happy to see her there because I think she's beautiful

and we needed some new blood that day. She was great. She was a great addition. She was a little bit shocking. We didn't know a lot about her. She is beautiful. And she picks Blake to go on the day with her. It's kind of the obvious choice.

I don't think a lot of the other guys were single and looking to mingle. And he was sitting there. She's interested. The part, though, through this whole thing that I was a little bit shocked by was how hurt Blake still was at the day before. And I couldn't tell if this, you know, connection for Blake,

this request to go on a date kind of built his confidence and he walked into the date confident or if he was more like, I just need to move on somehow, some way, and she seems to be the best option. But here's the thing. And I was really happy this isn't to happen. Before the date even starts, Blake says, yeah, I've met her before at stagecoach,

which is just in this season, like, the worst phrase to use ever is like I met her at stagecoach and he finishes up and says but nothing happened I believe that I think he's been pretty obvious about what's happened I think at this point he's learned his lesson and would not lie or tell and not tell the complete truth at any moment there's also only so many hours in stage coach you know at some point it's a it's a logistics issue in terms of 24 hours of a day that's a good point yeah I mean because what is this two days three days like that would be a wild turn of events um he goes on this day it's going well he's still sucked up in hannah's uh web and at some point he breaks through and he says he's ready to

forgive himself that he's carried a burden through this whole experience that has put a weight on him and he's ready to forgive himself and try to move on and he's excited to do it with kately is there a is this a shift in the Blake story like is this moment a shift wells in your opinion on how Blake views himself what he's learned and how others in the house will view him I think that that's what he thinks you know he realizes that him and Hannah aren't going to be a thing he's still there so he has to keep his heart open um and this is the first opportunity for that to happen the problem is that it doesn't

you get the vibe that he's like not super into it and that makes me feel kind of bad for Caitlin because you know devoid of all the kind of crap that Blake has had to go through you still want Caitlin to have a good experience there you know did you get the vibe that like he wasn't that into it or maybe his head was still in the Hannah Cloud

definitely 100% I did but I do think that moment changed it for me Like, I think he went into it, very sucked him to Hannah, and he's sitting there with Caitlin going, that's over with, this is done, this is a great girl who I'm getting along with, I can move on. My confusion to all of this, and I think our listeners can help break it down. So listeners, this is my second question of the podcast. Please email us at Ben and Ashley at our Heart Media.com with your thoughts or hashtag as almost famous podcast on Twitter. If Blake is so sucked up into the Hannah situation, if he cares about her that much, which I really believe he did,

what in the world was he doing at the very beginning of this process? Because as Dylan was pursuing Hannah and Hannah alone, Blake, yes, he was distracted with Kately. And yes, there was the Christina thing. But he also showed interest in Tasia, night one, moved on. Why wasn't that a Hannah pursuit right away from? Because I think this whole thing looks different.

Even the story with Kailin and Christina, if he's with Hannah saying, hey, it all led me to you. Yeah, it was his biggest mistake of the entire, season for sure and it would have looked completely different I think if he had taken her on that first date instead of Tasha the issue is

is that he also had met and flirted with Tasia at stagecoach from what everyone was saying so I think in his mind and I this I do not want to speak for him but this is how I perceived it it was I'm intrigued by Tasia I know I'm into Hannah

Hannah Hannah's not going anywhere so if I can get some clarity between how I feel about Tatia, then I know how to move forward with Hannah. And I think that's how he justified it in his head. He should have taken hand on that first day. It would have changed everything. It would have. I mean, it's lesson number one in relationships.

If you're into somebody, you should probably pursue them and not test the waters in the outside looking in, hoping that person still sticks around. Yeah. I think there's a part of me that thinks that at that moment, Blake didn't think his ass stunk, you know, like he thought he was going to be the king of paradise. And then he, there's no way that he could have perceived how, like, how hard this was going to unravel on him. Oh, yeah. I don't know. No, it could be true. Yeah. So, like,

at this point, Blake's, I mean, this has made the beauty of these situations. And I, and I'm a four on the anagram wells, which means I really enjoy authentic, real moments. I thrive when, even in pain when things are real. And as much as I don't like to see it, there is a really beautiful thing that's happening to Blake in front of our eyes that we should all celebrate that he is being humbled. I think he would admit to that. That he is being humbled in front of our eyes on television

and we're seeing it happen. So if he walks in, we've all been there. I don't want to say this is a Blake, this is only Blake. I've had this happen to me in my time as The Bachelor. You get a big head. You think you're cool. You're walking on water. everybody is giving you attention and then all of a sudden it all comes to a screeching hall

something happens that affects that confidence and you realize that you're never as cool as you thought you were and you're humbled and you're near a better person because of it because your perspective changes and there's like there is a lens that's been covering your eyes that has now been removed and everything looks different feels different and i wonder if that moment was on that date with caleb maybe yeah well to see well to see the one thing that continues to be constant, though. You know, we've talked about Hannah G and Blake's pursuit, but Dylan's pursuit of her,

and we talked about a little bit ago. But now is Dylan's time to shine. They get a date in paradise, one-on-one. Everything's kind of led up to this moment, right? We're all watching, at least I am, going, okay, we've played games, it hasn't been pretty, it's been hard to watch on both ends. But this is the moment that feels like if it's going to go well,

we're going to learn about it now. Like, we're going to see this thing flourish. and Dylan and Hannah G. go on a date. They're walking on a water to dinner, literally. They sit down. They have a wonderful talk. Hannah G. opens up, and it's a really great moment to see because I do think it humanized her a bit

from being the kind of the goddess on the beach to them being a real human who has emotions and feelings and pain. And she opens up about how she was heartbroken the last time she went on this show. And she's worried and she wants to protect herself. But there's one guy. There's one guy that will definitely protect her. He might not be the one that if you looked at in a lineup, say, yeah, that's the guy that's going to protect Hannah G.

It's Dylan. Dylan says one thing to you to her that makes me realize that he's going to protect her. He says, I love doing special things for you because seeing you happy and feeling appreciated is something I want to keep doing all the time. That's the same stuff I say to Jess. That's like deep stuff. Like, hey, I will give up my own like, happy. happiness at times. Like, I will, I will lay at the feet of your desires to see you shine because when you're shining, I'm happier. Like, when you're feeling appreciated, I'm, I'm at my best

because that's how much I care about you. Like, that's, that's deep stuff. And he's saying this to Hannah a few weeks in. Is it too much too soon or does, is this where they're at? I think he, I think he was love at first sight guy, for sure. And I agree with you, like a true love is putting yourself, putting someone else's needs and wants in front of your own, you know? And like, that's what he's trying to say here. I think

that, I think that he knows that he's in love with her, but he can't say that because that's kind of weird so soon. So he says, I'm starting to fall in love with you. Yeah, but in his mind, he's like, all I want to tell you is that I love you. Oh, yeah. If, like, if I could get Neil Lane in here right now, I would.

Yeah. You know? I mean, Is that a beautiful, like, we see this all the time on the show, and we laugh at it, and we joke about it. Oh, how can you fall in love so fast? All this stuff. But sometimes, like, magic happens. Yeah. Like, sometimes it just transcends the norm. And I feel like I've watched Dylan this whole time, and he really has loved Hannah.

Now, how has it been reciprocated? I don't know. But he really has loved Hannah since the moment he laid eyes on her. And I think I would have. I think I would have enjoyed it if he would just said Hannah like I don't know what to say right now but I love I love you yeah I think he was worried about scaring her away for sure and it was so close to her

you know swing dancing with Blake on the beach that like you know so I think he I think he was hedging his bets there a little bit I think that he said as much as as much as he could without freaking her out and I think he did a good like a really good job he opened up talked about you know his dad being diagnosed with cancer and and then Hannah reciprocates with with I'm all in which I almost feel like is just as powerful as saying I'm starting to fall in love with you yeah you know this is it yeah what before we move on here because we we can this relationship was going to be one we talk about

for weeks and weeks and weeks in weeks what was it in Hannah that switched I mean she's literally one night separated from swing dancing with another guy on a beach and kissing him what moment was it that switched for her to then say, I'm all in? Because I'm assuming at this point, she's all in. I mean, I don't know, and I can't speak for her. I know a lot of people on that beach were very much Team Dylan. So if you're going around trying to get advice from people about what you should do, everyone, I think everyone except for Blake was like,

you would be crazy to break this kid's heart. And I think that You know, I think that she's a strong woman And that can make her own decisions But I think sometimes you need to hear it from everyone around you To be like, yeah, you're right, man Like, this is a really good thing. What am I doing here?

Like, sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees And I don't really know But I think that when she realized that everyone was like What is happening that she was like, you're right? What do you think? That's probably it. I mean, I was going to say it was the moment she had to decide between the two, like actually decide that she started picturing life with

Blake and life with Dylan and life without Dylan and life without Blake. And she thought that Dylan was going to offer her or bring her more of what she was looking for than Blake. And at that point, I think there is a switch in all of us that says, hey, yeah, this hasn't been easy, but I'm committing to it because I know it's right and I know it's going to look like what I've always dreamed of. and you've literally seen me making out with other guys and stood beside me and support the whole time.

And that's somebody that I need. I need my ride or die. Not that I'm going to be making out with guys anymore, but I need my rider die. I need somebody's going to be there through thick and thin. Wells, Dylan isn't the only one falling in love in paradise. Surprisingly to all of us,

to Twitter, to the emails. Whoa, okay. All right. Yeah. JPJ and Tate. J.P.J. says this. He says he's starting to fall in love with Tasia. And he says, if Tasha were my wife, I'd be the happiest man in the world. Unexpected relationship. Yeah. But here's one thing I've learned about J.P.J. In all transparency. We all watch it. We laugh at him because of the way he talks and the things he says and he's throwing up. It feels like on the beach a lot and then in the pool. But the one thing about J.P.J is he is incredibly intelligent. he is a smart guy and it's and he's he's a nice guy and he cares a ton about this woman who again is way out of his league agreed um yeah like i don't really know what this this

this seeing this play out is weird for me because this was something that i think don't know if a lot of people knew was happening um their like like closeness was not something that was very much publicized, I feel like, to everyone on the beach. And I think that that's going to be

something that comes up later in the show. Like they very much were like sneaking away together a lot. And so a lot of people just didn't know that they were so close. And did you even know they were so close until you watch the episode? No. I didn't.

That's shocking. I mean, because it is close. They are into each other, and Tach is into him, and they have this goofy dynamic where they're both themselves. They're, you know, J.P.J's reciting poetry, and she's looking at him gazingly. Like, I've never recited poetry to a woman, and for her to take me seriously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know if she took him seriously either, though, to be fair. And I, and I, here's my thought on, like, the fact that it wasn't, like, super publicized.

The perception of J.P.J. is he's just, like, fun-loving, um, Bill and Ted's excellent adventure guy, right? Like, that's, like, whoa, all right, let's, yeah, go to the beach, and hit some sick ways, bro. Like, he's that guy, and I think there's a part of Tasha that's like, I shouldn't be falling for something like this, you know? Uh-huh. So maybe I'm going to keep this under wraps for a little bit

and see what happens. Yeah. And then what ends up happening is, which is what I love about, paradise, the relationships that end up working are never the ones you think they're going to work beforehand. And I could have told you this before the season started that there was no way in hell that Blake and Hannah-Gie were going to work out. You know why?

Because everyone wanted that thing to work out. And then how it happens. Carly and Evan, great example. The Goose and Crystal. Everyone was like, this is the weirdest combo ever. Tanner and Jade. There you go. I mean, like, and I think that's the beauty of paradise is it brings people.

Okay, so the problem that we all have in the bachelor world is we are all single, which means we all dated the wrong people. And we think that we know what our type is. But the truth is, we're wrong because the people that have been our type have never really worked out. Hence why we're on this stupid television show. so the reason why the people that you don't think will work out for you work out is because they're not the thing that has been the wrong thing the entire time you've been dating your entire life and that is my spiel

that's good that's brilliant i mean that it is well that is a brilliant synopsis of why we're on this show and why we struggle to find relationship in the real world and why this show feels so attractive to so many people that continue to come back because on this show it's one of the first times that you can openly date, somebody that's not your type. Hey, speaking of more shocking relationships, I want to get into the Demi and Derek conversation, and I want to set this up for you.

Hannah B knows Demi well. Hannah B comes to the beach, surprises a lot of people. Mike's at a loss for words and everybody's excited, and Dean's saying, hey, maybe Hannah B wants going to date with us. Who knows what's happening. But really, Hannah's there to talk to her friend and be a friend to Demi. And at this point, we see Demi start to open up about something that is, um very new to this franchise something that is uh incredibly courageous i think to enter in tune

to start talking about and she's doing it with the perfect person in derrick so hannah b encourages demi to follow where her heart is to follow uh what she wants and she's still a little bit confused on what she wants but she knows she has a partner back home in christian demit says uh her the girl's name for the first time. And now it's time to talk to Derek, your friend, somebody I don't know well at all. I really don't know him at all. So I'm coming back out about this just from a fan's perspective. But Demi opens up to Derek. And both of them, and here's my, my, my, how I want to start this. What they did in this moment was more compelling, captivating and I guess enjoyable for me to watch than any drama that's ever been done on this show at any point. It was two adults having a very

real conversation. One person, Demi, doing something incredibly scary, but also incredibly courageous. And Derek being put into a position where his heart was torn, his interests were divided, yet he listened. And I think it was awesome. And I want to start here Wells with this. What about this moment for you? And what about, let's start with Derek, because we're going to talk a lot about Demi. Let's start with Derek. What about Derek? And, And because you're his friend, what was going through his mind, do you think, at this time? All right. So I agree with you and what you said.

I thought it was the best reality TV that I've seen in any reality TV show. Like, it made me feel something that I normally feel, which was like, I got, like, tiered up when I saw that whole thing. And I think that's partially because Derek and I are really close and I could, like, feel his pain. I think that what was going through his mind was. this sucks because I really, really like this girl and I could see myself with her. But I understand that what she's doing, like, first of all, coming out to your best friend is tough. Coming out to your parents, even more difficult. Imagine doing that on national television.

Like, that's on a whole different level of scary. I think that Derek realized the weight of the situation. I think that he also is smart enough and woke enough to realize the situation was much bigger than him. And it's okay to be hurt, but also he needed to be supportive because he realized that the situation of him getting his heartbroken paled in comparison to the thing that she was about to go through. and that will go through a couple months down the road when the show airs. So I think that the wonderful thing

about Derek is Derek is smart enough to be able to understand how big of a moment that was for him. But still he's human and his heart was like, man, that sucks. You know, like,

why does it keep happening to me thing? Does that answer your question? It puts him in an interesting snare, right? So if Demi had a boyfriend, back home. Yeah. I think it feels different. But we realized that Demi came to Paradise, conflicted.

Not confused, but conflicted. She was interested in pursuing a partner in Paradise. She wanted to be in paradise. But she then admits, and the reason I'm getting this, because she was downplaying the situation with the girl back home. Yeah. Christian. And so at this moment, it feels like it switches because Derek is smart enough to know where

Demi was coming from by even coming to Paradise. And I thought Derek did something that I hope every friend would do for me for the rest of my life. Is he would sit, he would empathize, he would relate, and he would speak from a place of empathy and non-judgment and non-criticism. And even taking their own self-interest out of consideration, he would do it because he knows it's the best for the human sitting across from him. And that to me was one of the most brilliant, not brilliant. think he did it calculated i just think it's probably who he is yeah i'd agree but i can't and wells this is what i mean i'll call it a really good god moment others will call a miracle of sorts how in the world did demi have the opportunity to sit down with derrick out of anybody else there

it feels miraculous that derrick was the person sitting across the table from her as she shared this As it was happening and while we were doing it, it was very much a conversation of there was no other person in the franchise that probably could have handled it as well as Derek did. And everyone was just super happy and proud that he was there and he was a part of the franchise to begin with. And to echo your point, like, he just comes across as super selfless in a moment where you get to be selfish. You know, like, these are my feelings too. but he still had the wherewithal and the compassion to be like whoa, whoa, whoa, okay, hold on,

I realize this is big and I realize this is this is much bigger for you than it is for me so what do I need to do? I mean, like, even the thing of like, well, can I talk to Christian before everyone else does? That's crazy, right?

Like if that was another guy, I'm sure he'd be like, well, I'm gonna punch this guy in the face, you know? Yeah. But like, he was like, whoa, okay, hold on. can I at least like meter first so like we have a connection before like I wouldn't have thought to do that in that moment

you know like that blew me away that he had the compassion to do that you know yeah and there's you know one of the fun parts about this show is everybody can say the right thing for a few weeks it happens right everybody can come on and be the Mrs. Hero or Mr. Hero or whatever like you can you can come on and say the right thing

for long enough but ultimately the show does a great job at pulling your true character out and I think for the most part the the humans who have the the characteristics of a good person end up thriving from the show and the other ones they they kind of go by the wayside after a few years or even an episode in this moment it was a lot of times when when conflict occurs well what I'm getting at is and this is probably me being judgmental but a lot of times when conflict occurs in the show I listen to the response of the other person. And it feels very self-selfish. It feels very uplifting for the person in their response. Oh, you're breaking up with me. I'm so sad. I'm heartbroken. Everybody should feel

bad for me, blah, blah. When I watched this, there was not one moment that I ever since from Derek that this was anything more than him caring a lot about somebody he cared for. And that's what made it so beautiful. It was real. It was raw. I don't think he could, I think he could have cared less if there was a camera around or 9 million people watching what he cared about in that moment was Demi and what Demi was doing and what was really changing the path of Demi's life yeah and it's interesting to see like he obviously is very strong for her in front of her and then very strong for her with Christian when they when they meet but he still has that like very real moment when he when he kind of like walks away from the situation it starts

to break down and has this kind of whole spiel of like is this everyone keeps saying I'm a good guy like when is that going to be like when is that going to be enough he he finally realizes that his feelings matter in this moment too but he has the tact to not do it to her he does it basically alone in the sand or basically do a producer I think and I thought that was a really beautiful moment too where he understood how big the moment was and he was so compassionate to her

he was even compassionate in the fact that he didn't do the woes me thing to her. He walked away and did it, you know? And saved her from having to experience that pain you know there which the whole thing was just like now that was

that was a like arrow in my heart moment on Paradise for sure. The, uh, the Demi story, uh, it's obviously one that's intriguing, but mostly,

uh, I guess here at the podcast, we want to say, um, Demi, we, we completely support you. I think that's obvious,

but that was courageous. And, um, I know it wasn't easy. I don't know if you listen to this. I, I, you must because you got mad at me once.

Yeah. This is your big campaign to make her like you again, is it? But, uh, Good on you. Good on you for how you explained it. Good on you for pursuing and for handling it the way you did and for telling Derek.

And Derek, great on you as well. So to have a little more fun with this, I mean, this is not like a heavy, like, sad conversation, but to have a little more fun with this, I want to ask you, Wells, now Derek's in the place we've seen it before from Paradise. Now he's being talked about as an ex-batchel. I mean, he is literally last night on a poll that was done on social media. he is now in third place behind Mike Johnson

Peter and then you have Derek Is there a chance that Derek Peth could be the next Bachelor? I think anything's possible I will go ahead and do it on your podcast I am 100% team Derek for Bachelor like one he's my good friend but I have like a whole spiel on it

because I've been thinking about it a lot Derek is 32 years old. So that means the women that will come to the Bachelor will be older than 22 years old because that would be a big age gap, right? I think that was kind of one of the issues with Colton's season. He was just so young that a lot of the women were very young and hard to relate to.

Number two, Derek has a normal job. He's like the SVP of a bank or something. I don't really know what he does. He's like a, he's like Chandler Bing where no one really knows what he does, but it's a job. It's a real job, right, in New York. And then the there for the right reasons thing, we know that Derek isn't going to try to start some career as a singer or a model or something. Because he already has a career and he already got engaged on the show and then got his heartbroken in that situation. and he looks like John Krasinski

so like all those things make me think that like this Mike's a great guy Tyler is dating Gigi Hadid apparently so he's out I guess He's out Pilot Pete seems like a really really nice guy as well But Pilot Pete hasn't been on my TV in a while You know who has?

Derek So I think it's a possibility I think he would be a really good one I thought what he showed last night is a hard thing to do and it was one of the problems that I couldn't do

when I was on that show which was be funny be honest and then also be authentic in like showing your feelings

I was never good at cry I never cried on TV not once and that guy did all those things I thought really really well and what your thoughts I've always said

I don't know any of those other guys I really don't even know Derek. I would agree with every point you made, especially the, I know who's been on my TV recently, and that's Derek. Yeah. I think Mike has a great shot

because the franchise has to have a black bachelor or a bachelor that we're not maybe have seen for 20, I don't know how many seasons have been on. Yeah. And he's a good dude for it. He's a great guy and women like him. And he's a big presence. And I mean,

if we're not going to choose Mike, I don't know who we would choose and I don't know what's going on. so it would be surprising to me if Mike isn't chosen one really so if you asked me today I would say that Peter is number one Mike is number two Derek's number three I just I think we would all be too confused

at why Mike wasn't chosen if Mike isn't chosen as a bachelor I think we would raise too many questions that are probably semi legitimate and but the caveat to that a caveat to that is this taking anything else out of consideration. And let's just talk about the stories that are being told on television

and the men right now that were fully in support of and rooting for. Derek Peth is up there with anybody else I've ever watched. And Colton's a buddy of mine. Colton is a friend of mine. I was not in favor of him being The Bachelor. I did not think it was a good idea. I was not rooting for him. I was rooting for him to find love.

I didn't think he was ready for a true love. I didn't think he was in a place in his life. It didn't seem like that he was, fully sold out on pursuing a partner. Now, he proved me wrong. And I've said that. He did. He proved me wrong.

And he's with Cassie and they're dating and it seems like it's going really great and good for him. So he did that. And he did it well. But coming off of the show, The Bachelor, or in Paradise, I wasn't in Team Colton. I'm rooting for Derek. Somehow, some way, I want to see him get a legitimate shot at final life. And I know, I know how powerful this show can be to help you get there. That's the thing.

is I want somebody walking in to be the bachelor with no ulterior motives, no foresight of, I hope this brings me a new job, or I hope this brings me more money or more attention or whatever. I think that will come. It just happens. I want somebody walking in to be The Bachelor to say, I'm going to give it my all to find a partner in this experience. And even if it fails, I at least gave it my all because it was a gift handed to me to pursue people that I typically, would never have the chance to pursue. And Derek Peth is somebody that I can fully get behind that right now.

I can. And I will say, I think those three guys all have a shot. I think they all be great at it. I'm not against any of them at this point. But Derek Peth definitely stands out to me as somebody I'm rooting for. Do you find it odd that you're not seeing a lot of Mike on your TV screen just in general? Yeah, it is. I think that was one of the things is like, I watched Bachelor in Paradise and why am I not

rooting for Mike's or he's there? Like, why am I not? Why is my heart not being pulled at this guy? I just haven't seen him. I don't know what he's doing right now. Yeah, and they're not even using him with, like, interviews and stuff to, like, narrate. So, like, he's still omnipresent, even though, like, he's not in a relationship or, like, him and Sydney aren't, like, one of the strongest couples. I find that interesting, and I'm not a producer, so I'm not involved any of that.

But I try to look at it through the prism of, like, well, if they're trying to build someone up and not someone else, this is how I would do it. I wouldn't show them a whole lot, and I'd show the other person a whole lot, you know? Yeah. No, I agree. I think that is something that's odd. And hey, I'm a fan just as much than anybody else now. Like, I watch this show and I root for the people I see. Yeah.

I do. I mean, that's just part of it. I see Derek crying on the beach and getting his heart torn out twice now. And I go, that's a guy I want to root for. Like, he's not arrogant. He's not an asshole. He's a nice dude who's trying really hard to find a partner. And I'll root for him.

Yeah. You know what? I don't know what Mike's story looks like at the end. I could be switching gears. And at the end of this being like, oh, please choose Mike. His heart's broken. I don't know, maybe, but right now I'm rude for Derek somehow, some way, and I want him to find love. Hey, Wells, I think it's a good summary of this week's episode.

I want to finalize, we're getting a lot of emails right now about the Twitter Wars. I don't want to mention anybody's names because I really don't want to give anybody any type of attention or satisfaction for their just complete hatred on Twitter. But I want to lay this question out there because it's been asked kind of in different arenas and in different ways. What is it about this world that seems to make people so vengeful against each other? We're seeing it now and it also gives people a platform that probably shouldn't have a platform to speak about topics if it's gay rights or if it's minority rights or if it is. social justice for any person that is suffering from any injustice. Now all of a sudden we have all of these bachelor people taking a stand. Now, granted, I'm guilty of that.

I ran for office. Like, I'm in that world. So I will put myself in that category. I don't think I am qualified to know how every single person that is hurting should feel or how that issue should be solved. But the dangerous part right now, Wells, is, we're seen to be over the last six months in an environment where hatred seems to be being displayed not from the trolls online but from the people that have the platform and for me

that is a switch that seems scary and not great yeah unfortunately i think right now in our societies it is um it's not even being condemned it's almost being celebrated that you can say whatever you want to say and you're not shun for it or whatever. You're praised or I mean, and from the top down, you know, like some of the biggest politicians in the world

can say whatever they want on social media and it's a little scary. I don't know how to answer that question. I'm just not that guy, dude. Like I'm a walka, walka, walka, let's tell a funny joke on Twitter guy. And like that's just what my thing is when people

when people okay I had a program director in radio years ago that said you can talk about whatever the hell you want to talk about but never talk about politics and I said why and he said well the second you talk about politics half the people that are listening to you don't agree with you

and hate you and guess what they do they punch out and if they punch out then our ratings go down and everyone fails and I feel like that's kind of what's happening in this situation is a bunch of people are punching out because half of them don't care about what the other people are saying. Here's to finalize this whole thought is I feel like, and maybe we've never had it, and now

that we all have a little platform to speak on, have we lost our ability to reason? So what happens when when hate is spewed, it takes away the ability to be curious, to adjust, to reason, and to come to any type of reason. of truth whatsoever. And I just think if the Bachelor world is going to continue on this path, it's going to isolate

every single person that comes on the show. And ultimately, and here's why I'm even bringing it up, I think it's a really bad look for the show, and I think it's a really bad look for any future contestants

to come on the show because the more and more the Bachelor people, including myself, and I've got to process through this, isolate the masses it's a it's a representation of anybody that comes on the show in the future and i think we do have an obligation to try to protect our platforms and who are who is our following and it feels like right now with the hatred being skewed there is no reason and

there is no truth being told yeah i mean a little bit of it seems like um i'm no longer in the spotlight so if I say some weird stuff then people will notice and then all of a sudden I get that high of a bunch of people are giving a crap about what I'm saying thing but that comes at a cost as and that cost is generally you look like an asshole yeah I don't know I just don't know how to just I don't know how to answer your question man we live in a weird world where people are Celebrate it for saying bad things. Yeah. Well, I think that's a good way to answer the question is let's accept that.

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