The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Battle of the Booty (Love Overboard S1 E5 & 6)

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

The drama on the high seas continues on Hulu’s Love Overboard, and DeAnna Pappas is back to catch you up on every salty detail from episodes 5 and 6!Brad is too focused on the snacks to make a real connection with Bella, and the water gets rocky during the most dramatic plank ceremony yet!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And the boat is rocking, y'all, because there's a lot of drama to unpack as we recap episodes five and six today. All right, Heather, I have so many thoughts. I cannot wait to jump into this episode. So let's start at the top of episode five. Our new topside couple is Delaney and Keith, along with David and Lowe. They're still there hanging on. Karai and Lila and Tim and Gia. So you know what?

I have to take a minute and talk about my girl. Bella, I have a soft spot. I don't know if you saw it, but she commented on our social media. And I am here for it. I want to DM her. I don't want to hold her like a baby and tell her everything is going to be okay

because Bella is feeling Bradley in this episode. But when she asks him if he sees a connection with her, she gets shut down. And I am like devastated for our girl. Bella says that she doesn't get rejected where she's from and she's the it girl of the Midwest, right? Now, there isn't a connection with Bradley. She's just focusing on winning the next challenge. I was like so sad for our girl. I'm sad, but also, did you notice like Bradley has kind of disappeared in these recent episodes,

like this like chit chat with Bella? Like we're not seeing him in interview. We're not seeing him like kind of in the background, like talking to people. We're not seeing him. We're not seeing him flirting with anybody. So I wonder kind of what's going on with Bradley too when I'm watching it. He's just hungry, Heather. We just see him eating snacks. That bit when he is on the couch and like totally dismissing Bella. And he's like, oh, wait a second, babe, I got to grab some snacks. And he's just pounding hips on the couch. I was like this, I could not think up a better reality television show than what we're getting with love overboard. The way he's just gnawing on snacks. And she is like from just like a psychiatrist point of view. And I am not one, mind you. I'm just a washed

up reality star. She is facing him. Her posture, she is facing him. She's opening up. You know, she's looking good. She's beautiful. And she is like, so what did you think of me? And he's like, girl, these nuts are so salty. Well, can I tell you, as I don't like to spoil these things when I see them play out. But that was all an editing trick. In that scene, like, I don't think that she actually, like, was asking him about feelings at all in that scene. Because we only see her from the back of her head. We actually don't see her lips move and we're only seeing his response. So to me, that was all, like, ADR, like, after recording.

And I think that they were probably talking about something else because he wasn't even reacting in a way of, like, somebody that was expressing somebody had feelings for them. So, I mean, as funny as I thought the scene was, I just don't think that's what was happening in the scene. Listen, I don't work in television. So for a regular old viewer, I ate it up, Heather. I was like all about it. I was like, dude is enjoying his snacks. He's just there for the good time and some good food. Really, you know what I mean?

He hasn't had a storyline yet. He hasn't had a lot of play. And, you know, Bella is great TV. She's in a lot of scenes. She's got a lot of really solid one-liners. Her little interviews one-on-one with a producer are so good. She has very good sound bites. I just like, yeah, hook line and sinker.

I was your regular old viewer cuddled up on my bed watching it. And I loved every second. But don't you think it's weird that like Bradley didn't go for our new shipwreckers that come in this episode? Like he didn't even attempt. Well, that's the thing. I don't know if he's just not great TV. and the other guys are? Because there is a bit where he says, you know, oh, they're so hot. He's in, he says Christine is, you know, that she's this hot, whatever. He does. I only remember Jake saying that.

Maybe I'm dreaming it then. I thought they both were like, oh, yeah. But this happens on shows, guys, when you see people sometimes come in and they are funny at first and then either they become really boring in the chair so they kind of phase them out and they stop using them. Or sometimes people have issues on set and they are difficult to work with or they're not having fun or whatever and it's not worth it to try and get them to sit in the interview chair or give them the screen time so they kind of get edited out of shows. And I'm actually thinking of a season of below deck. I can't remember which one. But they had a stewardess on a season who literally you never saw speak in most of the season. And that's because once she got there, she was like, what I heard was that she was completely

starstruck by the cameras and just like staring and looking around and just was awful in the chair. And they just stopped using her completely. And you would only see her in the background sometimes. I love that we get this perspective from you because I probably would have, I'm so caught up in my other best friends on the show like Bella and Anna and Andrew. I'm so caught up in them that it doesn't even cross my mind to consider what's going on with little Jakey poo. You know what I mean? So I love that you have this perspective to bring it. You know what I mean? Because now I will obsess over it.

Now I'll have to pay attention. Yeah. Now look for Bradley and his mustache. Now look at what Jake is doing. Like I'm always trying to keep tabs on what's going on with everyone. And it's a lot to follow on a show like this for sure. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, listen, the next day, the top cider couples have a caviar breakfast. I don't eat caviar. I have served it a thousand times on airplanes, but I'm just like dying at these people. They probably also have never had caviar. You can tell by their reactions. You can tell Lila hasn't for sure. Oh, yeah. The way she is gagging at breakfast. I love caviar, but I don't know if I'd be having. I actually, I said, I was thinking it, and I was like, I wouldn't have caviar for breakfast, but actually I would. I've had row on bagels and it's absolutely delicious. So I would probably

have a caviar bagel. I would expect nothing less on, you know, a yacht in a Mediterranean. Like, yeah, on the top side, I want lobster, I want champagne, I want caviar for breakfast. What else are we doing here? All day every day. Exactly. It's fine. Gia and Tim, I believe they're getting married. I just do. Gia says that Tim is bringing out her feminine side, Heather, and I'm here for it. My brunette, Jennifer Lawrence, is just

her whole aesthetic I'm buying. Leila feels like her and Cori are doing really well. She feels romantic energy. I'm glad that she feels it because I'm not seeing it. I don't know. Is that just me? I think it's cute. I think

it's lovey-dovey. And we obviously later in the episode see them like having their first, like, kiss. So I kind of saw it there, but I don't think that they're one of the strongest ones for sure. I think Lila's really young and still learning a lot in life and how she reacts. And we'll get in the most dramatic scene yet in this season. It happens.

Well, we are moving on to our power couple. Lowe feels confident that she is all in for David. So here's where we see it. We've been talking about Lowe and David. from episode one, how they have just come in. They're the mom and pop of the boat. Everyone feels solid in their connection. David is also feeling pressure to be this power couple on the yacht.

And David thinks that he and Lowe don't have sexual chemistry. We see that again in this little bit. We start to see, you know, in the beginning of episode five, quite a bit of David in his personal interviews and bringing up the just, I think, the stress that he is under, you know what I mean? He talks a lot about the sexual chemistry. And it's like, my dude, it's not been that long to have like this frustration over something, I think, personally.

It's not been that long, but I don't know. I do have a little bit of empathy because reality TV. You lock these people in a room. There's no phones. There's no anything else. All they have to do is like fall in love. So they're, you know, they're spending a lot of time together. And it is, it is apparent that Lowe and David have spent a lot of time together.

We get them quite a bit. We get their, you know, videos of them in their bedroom together. They're clearly getting down. They're trying to have sexual chemistry. It looks like they are together a lot of time. So I try to have some empathy in the fact that like, it's not a normal dating scenario. Like back in the real world, they would have gone on a date the first week, then maybe two the next week.

Then they would have slept together. You know what I mean? We're talking in like six-hour increments. They're moving so fast. So I can kind of see it, but I feel like we have been spending so much time looking at poor David's torturous feelings that are coming up for him because he's so used to plastic, as he says. Poor David.

Poor David. Poor low, because she clearly is getting a very different side of David than we as viewers are seeing, you know what I mean? Yeah, because David is the ultimate fuck boy in sheep's clothing. And that is, I mean, we can go through it. But he, what I'm liking more and more about Tim is that I'm actually seeing Tim like talking the talk and walking the walk. He came in saying that he is kind of like a reformed fuck boy. Or what did he call himself? He called himself something along those lines

that he was like changing his fuckboy ways. And I was like, I don't know about this guy. I swoon. I swoon. Tim is also winning me over. Yeah. Tim is showing he's changed and we'll get into it when he has that conversation with David.

That's where I was like, okay, this guy is actually like, I think growing as a person. David is the ultimate fuck boy. He is the one who comes in textbook fuck boy. He love bombed the shit out of low. She's love bombing back and he's not reacting. And that's how you know what he's done has like really worked and wrapped his, you know, wrapped her around his finger.

So he's love bombed her. He's gotten, I think like we said, the day that he was really emotional about having to go to the hospital and all that. I think that was all put on. I think that was just to get her into bed because they hadn't slept together yet. I think that he's emotionally manipulative. And I think that he is, I think he's got a really high sex drive. And there's nothing wrong with having a high sex drive.

But I think that like, I think that is probably what he's equating to incompatibility is that he clearly likes to like get freaky. And I don't think that that's who she is. Oh my God. I love this show so much. I love this show so much. The casting is on point. Every bit of is on point. And you just like nailed it into the coffin about David. I would imagine he probably came into this and said like, okay, I'm going to be an adult now. I'm going to be on television. I'm going to be a grown up. I'm going to do this. And then quickly, quickly digressed and realize he could not deliver. He kind of gives it away in when he, well, we'll get into it. But he's talks, he drops a little Easter egg about his ex and why they didn't work out. And again,

it goes back to fuckboy ways. I think whoever cast him knew he was a fuck boy. And if they did their job well, you ask nine million ways about their past relationships, what they're interested in, blah, blah, blah. And so I think anybody with the person who found David knew exactly who he was, that he'd come in here and put on this facade of who he is because that's part of his game. There are fuckboys that are outright and open like a, like a James. James is kind of like a juvenile boy. My sweet James, I love him. He's horny, you know, but he's ready to change his ways.

That's a juvenile fuck boy. David is a grown fuck boy. He's a fucking man. And that is, those are the scary ones. He's the one who acts like he's got a good job, that he's emotionally intelligent, that he's got it all together, that he only has eyes for one woman. He has eyes for one woman right now.

Yeah. And I said this, that the writing was on the wall, that this couple was going to get broken up, and, oh, for sure, they do. You do. You called it. You want to send you and a friend with flights from tripcentral.ca.

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We need to just like coordinate our schedules, Heather, so that we watch it at the same time because I need to know that you are dying at the same time that I am dying. we have to talk about our boy, Andrew. We get this montage of him talking about his hair and making sure that his hair looks so good and that he wants a haircut. We start to see him also unravel a bit. Like, we knew that he was full of himself,

and that's putting it nicely. He's a special one that, Andrew, he really... I love him, too. I love all of them. I just want to bring them to Southern California and move them in and just, like, live life. with all of my friends. I know.

The show is predominantly humorous, which is so funny because a lot of them do have very funny personalities, right? Like, I wouldn't say David has a funny personality, but Gia has said funny stuff. Obviously, Bella has been the funniest on the whole ship. She's gold. Andrew's funny. Leila has said some funny stuff.

And so it's a really enjoyable show when they're all, doing silly things, but Andrew is so dead serious about getting a haircut and then has an absolute freaky meltdown later in the episode and like insists on calling his mom, which is like, his mommy, Heather, his mommy. And he tells producers like, he has to call his mommy. He has to. And like, people are not allowed to call anybody on these shows. Like it is like one of the biggest, like, you only get to call if it's a straight up, a murder. And this was an emergency, Heather. We hear the disdain in his voice. He is, he is like in distress. Tell them what the emergency was about. That he got a haircut on the boat and they butchered his sideburns. I will say when he said it, I noticed he didn't have any sideburns. They went away. Like, cut them all off. Also, I'm just imagining a producer who is severely underpaid. in a back room with her, you know, nasal clippers.

And she is trimming up his sideburns because he's about to have a meltdown and will not go on camera to woo Christine. And they really need these shipwreckers to be wooed. And she is in this back room and accidentally sneezes and butchers his sideburns. And he is this vein that he is so devastated. He cannot be a part of the episode. He cannot bear to let Christine see him with his hair this messed up. But he's in his 30s, and I am living for every moment of him laying in his twin-sized bunk bed, calling his mommy to tell her what is he supposed to do. But then the response from his mommy, like I imagine myself 20 years from now, Austin calling me and being like, Mom, Mom, what do I do for this?

And I just, the way she was like, what do you want me to do, Andrew? Man up. why are we crying? But you could tell that that's a phone call she's gotten before and that is something she has said to him before. That was not a one time thing. Is the mommy the hairdresser? Like I could, if that's the connection, is his mommy the one who does his hair? No, I think he has very few people in his life to call during times of stress and he has to call his mom. I mean, I will tell you that this, this saga of men getting their haircut while filming these TV shows is a real thing. This is an issue. I've had,

I've done several shows, several dating shows where men are like, I get my haircut every two weeks or every 10 days. I get my haircut. Will there be a barber on set to cut my hair? And we will be like, no, no, there's no barber.

And then they will have to, wherever the local, places that they're filming, they will hire a barber to come on midway through filming on these shows to trim up the men because they will get very annoyed if they don't have somebody come and trim them up. And they always are annoyed by whoever does it because it's not their hometown barber and it's not the person that they go to all the time. So I've heard several guys on my shows at the rat parties or whatever be like, oh man, that barber butchered my fade. Oh, I look so stupid and this.

Like Andrew, they don't go to extremes as calling their mom like Andrew did, but I have heard this so many times on my shows that I've done. It's a real thing. Oh my God. Because these are manicured men. These are men that like really do, you know, pay attention a lot to their physique and their outward appearance,

which is totally fine. That's their prerogative. It's the same way when women on these shows ask if there's going to be glam. included or somebody to fix their hair or something. I must have been the cheapest person that they put on the bachelor and the Bachelorette. I did not ask for any of these things. So when I hear this stuff,

I find it so mind-blowing. I remember when I was on the Bachelorette, like once we got down to like, I don't know, we went to the Bahamas or something. And I remember them saying, hey, we can't afford to take hair and makeup. Do you want us to find a local?

And I was like, yeah, no, I don't want a strange local person. I don't know doing my hair and makeup. I'll just do it. myself. Like, that's how low key I am. At one point, I was, like, waxing my own armpits in the bathroom of a hotel rather than asking them to take me to a salon. Like, I just, I'm, maybe I'm stupid. Maybe something is wrong with me. I wouldn't call you that, but I would definitely say that they got one over on you, because that is a large network television show that, you know, owns Mickey Mouse. They got money for glam. Sorry.

Yep. Yep. Sorry that they tricked you with that one. I, listen. Listen. We do get into our first challenge, though, of the episode, which is Storm the Castle. So for this, all the women are going to be competing. And this is when we get two new shipwreckers.

We get Val and Christine. Christine, she's 26, and she will do a lot of crazy things for love. She even hit a relationship for 2.5 years. Christine, you're too pretty for that. You definitely hiding a relationship, and it sounds like that was something you didn't necessarily want to do. We also get Val. She's 26, and, you know, Val comes in showing off all of her best assets. And she says that people don't usually guess that she's a chemist.

I wouldn't have guessed that either. I didn't anticipate her being super smart. I wouldn't say I anticipated her to not be smart, but I wouldn't have anticipated her to be in that field of work. And I would like to know what kind of chemist she is because like what she's doing because she kind of drops it and never talks about it again. And it's like, well, so here we go. Being the delusional human being I am, my mind went to she's a makeup artist or she is a mixologist. You know, those bartenders are now calling themselves like chemists, mixologists, because they created a side drink to a sex on the beach. If somebody is a freaking mixologist coming on a national

show and calling themselves a chemist, that person is going to get their ass handed to them. It doesn't matter how BBL gorgeous, their ass happens to be like vals. No, I think she's a chemist. She could be a chemist, like at a university. She could be a chemist, you know, when it comes to, I could see her being a makeup chemist. Honestly, I could see her being a chemist when it comes to a makeup brand. But I would love for her to expand a little bit more on that because she kind of used it as like a one note and then like never really talked further about it. She'd be like, she was just like, yeah, people are, you know, surprised that I'm a chemist.

It's like, yeah, tell me more. I wonder if she did tell more and they didn't air it because she couldn't talk about it because it makes me wonder, we go back to the episode where David talks about being a child psychologist. Why? If I saw this show, I would never take my child to see him. Especially not after this episode. Especially not after this episode. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't expect her to say like exactly who she works for, but I would expect her to say, you know, how long she went to school for it or how or why she got into it because her family is scientist or something. I don't know. Maybe she will later. But yeah, they're not really focusing on a whole lot other

than these people are hot and horny and single. So David, obviously, right off the bat, thinks Val is typically his type. Andrew recognizes Christine from a night out at the club a year ago. And Jake is also immediately into Christine. So we have a little semi-love triangle right there. So going back to the challenge, the downside girls can challenge a topside girl, the fastest one to finish the race, which is scaling the one. Wall wins. So again, they get to choose if they want to challenge. So Christine chooses to challenge

Gia for Tim. Gia absolutely smokes her and she does not win. No one challenges Lila for Kari. And then Val challenges Lowe for David. And Lowe is immediately insecure. She is just going, like, I'm going to tell this girl. Like, this girl just showed up. She doesn't know anybody. She doesn't know anybody's name. She doesn't know anybody's status or whatever. And Lowe's like, I'm going to tell this girl, like, we're in love, FYI. Like, just so you know, I know you just got off this boat, but like, we're in love. These are where my cringe moments start. I hate to see this unraveling of Lowe because she is such a beautiful girl. And because we are getting the pieces where we see the different side of David, I hate to see, I have too much pride, Heather, to do this. I have far too much pride.

to go crawling for a man. But listen, I'm single and I'm 44, so there's also that. But these start really big cringe moments for me for Lowe. She got in too deep, too quick with this guy. And she's now drowning in her own obsession and love for him. But hey, it kicks her ass into high gear and she scales that wall and low wins. Lexi and Bella challenged Delaney for Keefe. They're not necessarily interested in Keefe.

They just want to get their shot at coming to the top side. Well, they're not necessarily athletic either, Heather. No, they're not. And poor Bella, she really had like a vision. She was going to win this challenge. She really was going at it. And she definitely got herself tangled in the ropes and then knocked Lexi out of the competition and they don't lose.

So none of the topside couples have to go down to the downside after this because all of the topside girls won their man. I was a little like, oh, I wanted to shake things up a bit, but I am satisfied with our shipwreckers. That really shakes things up. You know what I mean? So I was like tooth and nail when the two of them walked out. I'm like, yeah, here we go. Let it begin, and it does.

In the downside, Heather, Jake and Andrew are both interested in Christine, and they're ready to see who she likes the best. This makes me so uncomfortable, just the threesome thing that they have going on. It makes me so very uncomfortable. And the clips, too, that they show where they're, like, in the one little tiny room with the little twin bunk bed, and, like, you can see Jake and Christine. But we see another moment where, like, Andrew is just, he doesn't see it.

He catches on a little bit quicker this time, but he's, I would never, Heather, would never sit in a room like that with a person that I like and watch them canoodle with another person. I would never subject myself to that. Andrew is not that sharp. He, he really is not able to read the room. I mean, I do like what he ends up doing later with Anna and like just kind of, succumbing to what the reality is of his situation, but he, it takes him a minute to get there for sure.

Yeah. Yeah, I have too much pride. I need to talk to Andrew after this. I think I'm going to start harassing him on social media. Anyway, Val has her eyes on David. We see this. We know this from the second she walks in. He's been talking about his type and she walks in and I'm like, here we go. It's getting good. She's in the game for herself. Bella is bummed because there are no connections for her, and she's never been on the top side or won a challenge. Heather, this makes her cry again, and I am devastated for our girl. She feels, and this is where, like, you just pull on my heartstrings because I do am a damaged girl. She feels unwanted and unlovable. And here we're seeing this. And This is the magic of television, right?

We take all these people, we put them on TV. She is missing the emotional and physical connection with, you know, a man, which is her hopes when she got there. But she also hasn't won a challenge. She's not feeling super great about herself. But in this moment, what we get, and I will not tell you that I shed a tear, but what we get is real, raw. You know what I mean? What she does is pulling the heartstrings of viewers. and especially women in particular,

because at some point in our life, we've all been there. We have all felt unwanted by a man or a woman for that matter. We have felt unwanted, unlovable, or not chosen. And that's exactly what they do in that moment. I know. And I think that I've been rooting for Bella to find somebody, and they're just not bringing in the right kind of amount of matches

or people like Bradley, who like I said, have just disappeared into the shadows and is not willing to play the game. Like, I don't know what Bradley's doing, but it's not like canoodling with a bunch of the girls. He's not canoodling with anyone. He's just eating chips or whatever. So I think that Bella's like, okay, if this guy doesn't even want to pretend or play, have fun with me, then what am I doing here? Because I really don't like being on the downside. And I don't blame her. I wouldn't want to be signing.

up for a show and then find out all I'm doing is having to stay on the bottom deck in my little no window bunk room like who wants that no no you get like nauseous and seasick I don't know my heart broke for her I you start to see that and and I at that moment was like man I hope she rides out on top I really do um we move on to our happy hour these are some of my most favorite moments in the show because we just get to see you know the mingling of all of our all of our friends. That's what we're calling them from now on, Heather. Lowe doesn't like that Val is flirting with David. We know Lowe is not going to like it because she has claimed dibs on her man, but we just, I'm living for every moment of what this downplay is going to be like.

Andrew. Let's, let's, Lowe for a second, for a second here. Girl, this is your man. and he's saying in front of you, yeah, I'll go chat with this girl. Yeah, no problem. He's not saying, hey, this girl right here, she's the one that I'm actually super coupled up with. So let me chit chat with her real quick before I come and like chit chat with you. Or, hey, why don't you come and sit with us and like chat with us together? He's being blatantly disrespectful to you, girl. To her face.

In front of your face and you're just letting it happen. And then you're misappropriating your anger to the woman in this situation. And this is what a clinical fuck boy will do to you. He will make you turn on another woman who you don't even know because he has whipped you. And he's making you look like a fool. I hate to see it. I hate to see it. You know what I mean?

Like Val walked in, what, a half an hour ago and it's all her fault? She is playing the game. Like, that's what they're meant to do. They come, they get on a yacht. There's hot people, date them, do whatever. She's playing the game, right? And Lowe is mad at the wrong person for doing that. Absolutely.

And Lowe, this is like a huge mortifying, embarrassing lesson for you that you, I hope, will never, ever forget again because this guy had red flags all over him. And, oh, my God. I just, it just gets so much worse from here. I have, I have so many thoughts as we go on and as we see them all come back together. And then, you know, we know the show, the whole thing is out on Hulu. I have so many thoughts as to, I would love to talk to Lowe. I'd love to talk to her and hear her thoughts on what she thinks now after seeing it all

play back. What would she have done differently? We have to wait until we see next week's episode, like the next set of episodes. as well because we'll get to that, how this, how episode six ends when we get there. Okay. All right, Heather, Lila and Kari, they have their first kiss. They do it. I don't know why it was such a built up moment, but like afterwards, I felt like, oh, that was it.

I mean, Kari is very cute. Lila is very cute, but Kari is very PG energy to me on this show. I think he's like one of the him and Keefe, I think are very even keeled in there. They're so safe. They're very safe. They're very stoic. They're not overtly sexual. And so many people on this cast are overtly sexual.

So they kind of just feel very like plain and vanilla. Maybe they aren't like that in real life, but they are in this environment. Yeah. Well, I think that's the whole thing too. Like some people shine and some people just don't. they get lost, right? Here's the moment that I've been waiting for, Heather. In this episode, we see Val.

She pulls David for a chat. They talk about their past relationships. Low comes to interrupt them. This is where I start to feel really gross. I start to feel really, really gross. Low comes. She interrupts the conversation. David doesn't like seeing this insecure side of low,

which it all makes me feel gross because he has created the monster, right? He also says he doesn't like it and then fucking, excuse me, doubles down and does something totally wrong right after, which only reassures her that how she's acting is appropriate. So he's totally, he's created this chaos and he can say all he wants that he doesn't like this insecurity, but he is fucking salivating over two girls vying for his attention. They cut to him. He is smiling, Heather.

In love with it. He's in love with it. He's in love with it. She comes up and says that we're in love, which is psychotic. At one point in her interviews, she's like, we're in love or getting married and we're with child. But she also says it in front of him. She's like, we're in love. And she's like talking to this girl.

And it's like, you're psychotic, Lo. You just actually met this guy like a week and a half ago. You don't love him. You don't know him. And he has messed with your head. He has made you, he's made you, you're a very smart woman. And he's making you look dumb. We also see Val say the same thing.

She has the wherewithal to say, girl, you've known him for like four days. Calm down. Yeah. It's very territorial and weird. And then David takes this as a moment to be like, hey, Lo, will you be my girlfriend? And it's like, this is just helping to continue the weird chaos that's going on up here in her head. It's like he just, he's trying to reassure her to keep her attached, but he's just creating more and more chaos. And she is gobbling it up, Heather.

She is, I mean, she's, she is like hooked, hooked has been since day one. And he's just, it's like he's, we're watching him spin out of control. He doesn't know how to stop the ride and get off. So he just keeps it going full speed ahead. I just think that I've talked to so many F-boys in my career and in my life that there's this misconception that fuck boys don't have girlfriends. They do, guys. They do.

They do get into relationships. And then they fuck them up. That is part, they like human connection and they want to like relationships because they think that that's what they should be doing. But they have really bad wandering eyes. and that is what gets them into trouble. They try to put themselves in boxes that they think they're supposed to be in, whether that's from family pressure, societal pressure,

and then once they put themselves in the box, all they want to do is get out of the box. So then they self-sabotage. So we are seeing David forcing himself into a box that he doesn't want to be in, and then we're going to watch himself sabotage five seconds later. I'm here for every bit of it. I don't know if you notice this. And I'm so curious as to your just TV background.

Our weird Jose Cuervo situation, it felt very off for me, like very forced. And maybe this was product placement. You tell me. But also, we did it with Keith who doesn't drink. It was weird to have, yes, Keith, who doesn't drink. He doesn't drink. But he made it for Delaney, right? Yeah, but then there's a weird moment at the end.

where they're cheering. And do you know what I did as a viewer? I'm like, oh, I wonder if his is a mocktail or like, oh, he didn't drink it. Like, I'm just like, it felt both this and the perfume in the previous episode, it felt really missed. Like, okay, perfect opportunity. Let's stick in some product placement. It doesn't fit, but like, we'll wing it. Yeah. So I did a television show that was partnered with Jose Cuervo. And what they did was every single time, every single episode, when they had their happy hour. It started at the bar, and every one of them had Jose Cuervo on top of the bar, and then you would hear every now and then you'd hear somebody order and be like,

I'll take a silver tequila or I'll take a silver margarita. That feels better. It felt natural, but then they all were walking around with cups that said Jose Cuervo on them, which was like way more obnoxious and in your face. Like, this is like, it's in here for two minutes, and then we don't ever see Jose Cuervo again. But yes, this is another product integration within an episode. And they probably were drinking Jose Cuervo probably the entire time they were on the boat.

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Andrew is getting frustrated. He's freaking out about his hair and not talking to Christine. Andrew reminds Christine that they've met in the past. I had a little chuckle at this because Christine, she's like, cool, cool, cool, bro. This is so Andrew. This is so Andrew to have had a moment and then followed somebody on Instagram and then they don't have any recollection of meeting him. You can see it. Across her face, Heather. She's like, oh, wow. I bet you, Christine gets millions of guys in her DMs. I bet she meets a ton of guys at the club on a nightly basis and nothing happens. And Andrew is just, Andrew, you're so funny. You're like, you're funny without trying. which is what also is so funny about it is like you're just so awkward. And of course you would have met a hot girl, followed her on Instagram, reminded her that you met and then her be like, uh-huh.

Cool. Cool, bruh. All right, this is one of the biggest moments that I have been waiting for. We get Bella and she, you know, we get the moments. Everybody's like, where's Bella? Where's Bella? And then we get her downstairs in her little room. and she's getting all dolled up, and she's in this beautiful dress, this, like, see-through,

like, Jim Rhinestone dress. I would have loved to have seen her chosen a different bra with this dress. And I know you're laughing at me, Heather, but from the perspective, we saw so much of her back, I was like, what's with this racer-back sports bra and this gorgeous dress? Like, she's so beautiful. I would have loved to have seen her chosen a different bra or none at all because she paid all that money for those beautiful breasts. Like just cover the nips girl and like wing it. Be your best self.

But I will give it to her because she looks gorgeous and she owns this moment. And she goes up to our friends and she gives her little speech. And then Bella announces that she's leaving the yacht. and I was so, so sad, Heather. I'm, like, I'm, like, devastated. This, these two episodes, like, truly rocked me to my core, and this makes me so sad. I'm also, like, you go, girl, like, go out on a high note, but then I'm also like, how will I sleep at night?

I genuinely didn't see this coming. I thought, if I'm a producer on this show, I'm begging Bella to stay. I'm going to be like, there's more men coming. Bella, stay, stay, stay, stay, stay. And, you know, but I, the fact that they just let her go, oh my God, I just did not see it coming. I really thought she was my next Amaya papaya. You are, Bella. I think that you are going to find love.

I tell this to a lot of people that do dating shows. It's very unlikely for people to find love, long lasting love on a dating show. But what I do tell people is if you get the opportunity, it is quiet. time to focus on love that you're never going to get again in your life. It's going to be without work, without bills, without your phone. You're just focusing on finding a connection and you should take that opportunity not only to see if you do find a connection, but use it to put yourself out there to the world and what you're looking for in terms of a partner and what you bring to the table because I truly believe, and I know this because I've seen it happen so many times that

if you put out to the universe and use this platform about the kind of love you want, when you get off the show, you will receive it. You don't know who's watching. You don't know who knows who. Who's going to walk into your life from opportunities that you get now from being on the show. And I have no doubt, no doubt that Bella is going to find somebody who loves and appreciates her. It might not be right away.

But it's going to happen now that she has shown what a pure, genuine, sweet person. she is through this experience. Yeah, yeah, a thousand percent agree. And being someone who was on reality TV for a couple of seasons, I did some of my like biggest growth and learning during those situations, the stuff that you are, are dealt and the scenarios while the world watches. You know, I just grew so much as a woman and in my emotional state, the things that I would tolerate and I hope that for her because listen, I would love it if she went from this to another dating show. I haven't had enough of her and I need more of Bella. So if I'm a producer and I get a season two on this, Bella is the kind of person you bring back for a season few. The second,

you make her the first one to like hopefully find a match and you if you know that you're bringing her back, then you actually purposely cast some people specifically for her in the attempt like to connect. So I think if we get a season two of this show, I think we see Bella back on if she's not in a relationship when they're filming. You just made my day, Heather. You just, let's call our people.

Let's call all our people. Bella's got to come back. Yeah. She has to. All right, we're moving on. The next day we see that Gabby rewards Val to have a date with a topside man of her choice. I'm living for this.

Val goes up. She asks David to join her on a date to clear things up a little bit. And shocker, Heather David agrees to go. And guess what? David doesn't do. He doesn't turn to his girlfriend. Yeah, because Lo's his girlfriend as of last night. He doesn't turn to his girlfriend and say, hey, girlfriend, do you mind if I go on a date with this woman?

Or he doesn't say, you know what, Val, really nice to have met you. actually last night I coupled up with her, so I'm going to respectfully have to decline. The dude says yes in five seconds. Lowe, if you, I would be, I would be saying to him, excuse me, sir, we're in a couple now. So that means you actually don't go leave the boat and go on a date with this girl. You can get to know her here on the boat when we're hanging out, when we're having breakfast. I mean, the fact that Lowe just sits back and is like, yeah, I'm going to take a nap. I'm rolling my eyes, guys.

You can't see it, but I'm rolling my eyes because this actually got the writing is literally on the wall. Well, we know from this moment, like, things have gone awry, you know, and I'm with you that, like, he could have said no. But let's be honest, our boy, David, he wanted to go. He wanted to fuck around and find out. And that's exactly what goes down. Of course. But as anybody who watches Love Island knows, because this is a straight rip-off. of Love Island, right? On Love Island, they're called bombshells. On this show, they're called shipwreckers.

This happens as the show goes on. These people come in late in the season. People are semi-coupled up. On Love Island, we see them go and go, you know what? Let me go ask my person first or tell my person, hey, I'm going to go on a date with so-and-so. The fact that David is one of the older men on this ship, guys just please this is a lesson in fuckboy behavior this is just everybody who's watching please ladies take note it all is about to go down heather uh they go for a spa treatment to increase blood circulation so here we are david and our girl val have you ever been slapped with a cactus before no No, I was like dying. But it's not just that.

The way he starts, like, he's slapping her on the back and he works his way down and he is slapping her gigantic booty. And you can see the ripple on that nice ass of hers. And you know he's watching too, Heather. You see what I wrote? I wrote, slaps her butt. Nice boyfriend. Like, what?

There are so many things about this date. and the way he is like drizzling honey all over her back. I am just, listen, as a viewer and I'm watching this, I am disgusted that he is someone's boyfriend, right? Okay, if we give him, you know, all shits aside, he goes on this date. He's going to get to know her, but he still can play it respectfully.

We have seen it in the show. Gia did it? Gia did it? She didn't make out with Tim because she's worried about Bo. We've seen multiple people. say, I'm not going to kiss you right now. Oh, it's too soon. People backing people's faces away. David goes in head first. He had no issues with any of this. Nothing is holding him back. At this point, after the cactus and the honey, we don't stop there, Heather. They take a shower

together. I had to sit up and my mouth was gaping open. I did not. need the instructional, you know, wording at the bottom. I knew what was going on. I literally was like, holy smokes, she's giving him a BJ in the shower right now. They've known each other for four seconds and they are already getting down. That to me, I'm very cognizant. I am in what I'm about to say. I am not slut shaming Val in any way. I think that being sexually free and open is to each their own and everybody's own prerogative. So sometimes I understand that people feel the chemistry super soon and they want to, you know, test drive the car as soon as they pull up to the lot and that's to each their own. But I have to, we all have to remember, too,

that she is there because she knows there's a plank ceremony as soon as she gets back there. So is she doing this because she's really feeling it with this guy or is she like, I know this is how I close the deal and this is how I stay on. I just got on this boat. I'm not ready to leave. Or is she just super open sexually and this is kind of like not a big deal to her and she just would rather see now. David is the one who sets the tone in this scenario and he had nine million ways to make this be a different scenario and this is what he chose to participate in. As far as I'm aware, they're not drunk while they're doing this. As far as I'm aware, it's happening. It's happening. like in the early morning afternoon.

Um, so there's not like inhibitions or anything blocking his judgment. David is freaky and that's totally fine, but you just committed yourself to being somebody's boyfriend less than 24 hours ago. So you are the ultimate fuck boy. You're the king of the fuck boys on this ship. And what I don't like is the immediate like remorse, sadness. I'm awful. like all of that. He had multiple opportunities to stop. It's crocodile tears to me. It's manipulative.

And what it then does is it puts blame and shame on the woman in this situation who was engaging in this act with him. And David, that's wrong. That's wrong. You need to be saying to her, that was so much fun. I really enjoyed that. Wow, you made this so much harder for me. Now I have to go make a hard decision. but not this whole like, I'm so awful. I'm off. It's like, yeah, dude, you are. So now deal with it. Own it. You made this decision.

I'm not going to feel sorry for you because you listen to that head and not this head. So just be an adult and like own it. But I don't like this pushing the blame and the shame onto the woman. And then she ends up experiencing some of that while she's on board. And I just am not into that. So I mean, the episode ends with a to be continued, which obviously we're going to get into. right away because it's not to be continued for us. But the episode opens back on this date and they're making out in the hot tub and we get more editing gold of like we're seeing what's happening with

them and we see Lowe back on the boat being like, I'm so confident. I don't even need to practice anything for my plank ceremony tonight. It's just like, hey girl, glad you didn't unpack your bags because you're going home. And they're just really emphasizing that Lowe has. all this, you know, trust and everything in this man, which I don't blame her for being jaded. And like, you know, like if I were in the situation or you were in this situation, we would probably have walls up because we're older and we've experienced more in life. And she is just like walls down, inhibitions down. I'm all in for this guy. And that's like a beautiful way to move through life.

but it is going to change now that she's experienced this. I think that this situation is going to make low jaded, and that's why I don't like guys like David, taking beautiful sweet souls who are really, really nice and caring and nurturing, and you're using it against them. And it's really mean. So, stop doing this.

And men, if you're watching this show, don't be like David. Yeah. Don't be like this. We can all take a lesson. Video wants to send you and a friend with flights from TripCentral.ca. Two nights at Sheridan Center, Toronto. Tickets to Bruno Mars and $1,000 cash.

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I feel like it starts, though, like, everybody's like, we're going to be out of here in a minute. Like, they all think it's like easy, peasy. Well, it's funny because we don't just see low being cocky about it. We see everybody else being cocky about it. They are showing them in clips being like, this is mom and dad. Like, their mom and dad of the yacht. They've been together since day one.

No one can rock this. No one can rock this. And they are not even prepared. for what is about to happen. Because David's fooled all of them. He has kept this persona going that he is not a fuck boy. And I can't remember what was said, what he said exactly, but where he gave the, he told on himself was when he was talking to Val.

And she asked about his past relationship. And he said it ended because it wasn't insecurity. What did he say? He used, it lent itself what the words, he used lent itself to somebody being unfaithful. Did you catch that? I did not. It was really quick.

He didn't use the word unfaithful and he didn't use the word insecure. Some of the listeners will have to go back and listen to it. But it lent itself to some sort of indiscretion happened in his last relationship. And it was hard for them to rebound from whatever this situation was. hello guys this is him telling on himself he has a problem this is not a guy that engages in this kind of activity and a woman who engages in this kind of activity within meeting very quickly this is not the first time that they have ever done this with each other yeah again this is okay people are adults and have autonomy over their own bodies i'm not slut shaming

anybody in this situation whatsoever. But for David to have had this persona of like he's Mr. boyfriend man and all of that. No, David in the shower, that's David. That's what David. And I think how David moves through life when he's meeting women at the club. He likes to party and he likes to blow off steam. That is who he is. Yeah, David is a taker. He's a taker. This guy on the yacht, he said from jump. I'm trying something different. David came in and was like very cognizant of how he moves through life in a day-to-day basis. And he's, you know how he keeps also bringing up like, oh, her family's going to see this. Yep. When he was talking about their sexual incompatibility and he goes, oh, man, her parents are going to see this. Bro, how about she's going to see this? Not once. Not once does he say that.

Heather. Not once is he like, wow, when this all plays back and Lowe sees the curtain lifted, not once. He is worried about how this is going to look for him. That's all. He's not worried about Lowe. He's not worried about what her parents think because he's not going to end up with her. He's worried about what his persona is then going to look like. And that's the crocodile tears for me. This guy is not being authentic. I think he's being super subdued. I think that he does feel remorse for how he acts. And I don't think that he necessarily wants to be this person that he's being.

But I've seen this time and time again. And a lot of these guys have to learn the hard way in order to make real change. This might be this hard way that he's having to learn. Because guess what, David. now after getting off this boat, if you ever try to get into another relationship, scenario that lives on TV and lives on the internet is going to haunt you forever.

Forever. Any girl that you meet is going to Google you is going to look this up and be like, oh, he's a fuck boy. And this is going to follow you for a really, really long time. And that's unfortunate because it's an indiscretion in your life. but that's partly why people are very careful when they go on TV and the decisions that they make.

Some people are. Well, listen, it doesn't stop. Some people aren't. Some people aren't. Some people are and some people aren't. It doesn't stop there, Heather, David's fuckery. We see the plank ceremony. And this is where it just turns into straight chaos.

First off, I don't know. The whole bit where they make low. put on her life jacket. I was like, this girl, I'm already mortified for this girl and what is about to happen to her? And I'm like, do we really need to poke fun at her a little bit more? We see Lowe, we see Val take the plank. We see both of them twisted up and we see David twisted up. I mean, he's very, very stressed about the decision that he's about to make, right? Val says she feels something special with him, that they had some memorable moments on their date. Lo says that they've been on top the whole time. And David knows how she feels about him.

I mean, they are girlfriend and boyfriend. She said the L word. David says his date with Val made the decision much harder for him. I can't even. This is when we see David. He doesn't fully come clean, but he is trying to, and I don't know, maybe I can just hope that he is trying not to embarrass Lowe in this moment, but he looks in her and he says, he doesn't think that she's going to be okay with what happened on their date. So he doesn't throw Val under the bus and outright say she gave him a BJ in the shower, but he also doesn't say it to Lowe either. Hopefully it's in a sense to respect all parties.

I want to give the benefit of the doubt here. I know I can see you struggling, Heather. I can see you struggling with me. I am trying to find some. Because I need everybody to understand. that being evasive about the truth doesn't mean you're being truthful. That is still lying in a sense. So he is avoiding telling her the entire truth because he knows that he is going to get

a negative reaction from her and from the group that's watching this all go down. This plank ceremony is so dramatic. It elapses more than 45 minutes. and Gabby just continuing to be like, David, we need a name. David, we need a name. I was about to be like, if Gabby gets up there, she should just push David off, you know, and we just keep both the girls. But if I'm low in this situation, Heather, I'm jumping overboard.

Same, because low, babe, you do not need a man. Mm-mm. That steps away from you for 30 minutes, and this is how difficult it is to choose you. uh-uh, that's right there, you know in your heart that what you had was not real. So that's when I go, peace, and I jump overboard myself because I'm not going to stand, he humiliated you. I have too much pride, Heather. I don't know if I am too egotistical. I have too much pride, whatever it may be, to stand there and allow a man to do this, to drag on this decision as long as he did. with both women standing there at the end, both of them should have jumped overboard.

I would have never stood there that long. Cast, crew, ship, we'll see ya, peace, I'm out. You will not stand here and make me look this stupid. And that's what he's doing. Like, if he was also, like, respectable, he would have just said, you know what, guys, I don't know if I deserve to be here. I'm going to jump overboard. and just like through himself.

You know what I mean? But the fact that your foundation of your relationship was rocked by one girl coming in that quick, that just goes to show he was lying to you. He was lying to everybody. And the one who reacts the hardest out of this whole situation, because obviously, he sends low overboard, is Lila. She is just screaming. She is calling him a dickhead.

The entire yacht is rocked. They're all screaming. have no idea how this could happen. And the men are equally disappointed. I was expecting there to be some weird, like, broie moments of like, yo, I'm here for you. I'm here for you. The only one we really see it from is James, who James is like, hey man, like I respect, you know, you're following your heart, whatever. But I will say that at this point, nobody really knows what happened on the date. It's not until like David starts to tell like, Kari and Kari like, whoa. Did you see how quickly he got out of that conversation? He was not having any part of that.

No, because Karai clearly is very cognizant, right? If he's waiting five episodes to have a kiss with a girl, he's not the kind of guy that has a shower action with somebody he's met five minutes ago. Again, not shaming. It's just not who he is. So I think he just doesn't really like align with that kind of behavior. He's not jumping on board. No, he literally backs away. really quick and it's Tim who's also really aggressive and upset with David and this is where I'm like okay Tim you came in saying you didn't want to be a fuck boy anymore and you are showing that you do not want to be a fuck boy because usually fuck boys they would align together and they would be like yeah man I get it you know she's hot whatever but no Tim is like upset and he like thought better

of David. And I kind of really like that, that moment from Tim. Yeah. Yeah, I did too. Because the same thing, it's not, you know, we expected the women to have a reaction. Obviously, they love Lowe. But I was really, really happy in a situation like that where the other men stood up to and were just like, hey, dude, this is not right. You know, I have nothing but respect for something like that. I would have been, it would have been a very different scenario had they all been like, it's okay, get yours, we get ours. But that wasn't the case. And that made me really. really happy, especially in a, you know, humor-filled reality show like this, I was really happy to see them stand up and be like, yo, bro, this just wasn't okay. This is not okay. You do you, but like,

this is not okay. All right. So we're on the next day over here, and the downsiders are folding laundry. Lexi and James are ready to get back to the top side. The top siders have an awkward breakfast. They're all still annoyed with David. David has some alone time and gets emotional, talking to a producer. I thought this was a very interesting situation because we are seeing him start to unravel and really, I don't know, reap the benefits,

the repercussions of his choices here. But I found it very interesting. The producer comes in just holds him and coddles him like a baby and says, it's okay, get yourself a good cry. And then you're going to go back in there and you're going to knock him dead, killer.

You know, like I'm getting too much time with David. I'm getting too much time for him to, lick his wounds and and to feel sorry for him. If I'm a producer in this situation, I see why it's being done, right? We do, you know, he's expressing remorse. You know, we also are putting people in a pressure cooker environment where emotions are really high and mental health of people is the most important. so I like that he's not being pressured to stay, but clearly we can see he is public enemy number one on this yacht right now.

I have been in these kinds of situations where somebody's crying and you got to step in and you got to let them lean on your shoulder and all that kind of stuff. I've had conversations with talent that probably other producers wouldn't like to hear where I've said, I'm not going to force you to stay here. and what you want to do is up to you, and I want to empower you to make those decisions. I don't think a lot of producers will say that because they want to keep and see things unfolding, but I think that right now we're seeing the wheels come off of David. He's trying to take responsibility,

but I as a viewer watching this would not be super surprised if we see David make an exit before the end of this show. Oh my God, I didn't even consider. or that. That was not in all of my, in all of my devastation in the last two episodes, that hasn't crossed my mind yet. I think that that could be the next thing because I don't think he's going to bounce back with the boat. And I think that his guilt, I don't also think that he really likes Val. So this is, this is, you don't think he does or you do think he does? I don't. Because when him and Tim have that conversation and then Tim comes back and tells the group and is like, yeah, he's made

his bed, he's going to have to lie in it, that to me says it all. Like, I think he engaged in an act that he enjoyed, and I think that he's, like, physically attracted to her, but I don't think he likes her, and I think that he's going to leave. And then we might see Val get with somebody else, or she gets sent over, whatever, but I have a feeling, David's not going to stay. Interesting. You know, he's the one who's been pretty mom on social media. He posts because, you know, I'm, I'm full on obsessed now and I'm following them all. They're my friends. I see them watching my stories. I'm watching everything that they post. Yeah. I am in my full on obsession mode. David is posting, but his stuff is very

muted in a sense. Yeah. I can imagine he is getting quite a bit of hate online. Um, so again, David, protect your mental health, step away from your cell phone. People remember to be kind on the internet. I know these people. I think that he has made a decision, like I said, that is going to now, unfortunately, haunt him for a long time to come. We see Anna and Andrew make basically a friendship packed through this situation. They've decided, you know, nobody on this show. You ship is into either of them, which is hilarious because Andrew's like, I've never had like a girl friend before. And it's like, I don't think Enna's ever been friend zoned before. Yeah, this is new for both of them. This is new like uncharted territory for the both of them.

We see it right here. And what I need my girl, Anna, to step it up now that my other girl, Bella, is gone. I'm like ready for Anna to really come through with a, with a swing here and just carry the entire show. I just literally, Anna being a friend. Zone would have never been on my bingo card. This is like the most hilarious thing. But Gabby interrupts and tells them that they are all going to get to go off to the beach for a beach party that she has organized. And this is when we get the tease for the next episode, which is another great twist because what they don't know is that all the people that have been kicked off the yacht this far, their exes are waiting for them at the beach party to confront them. I am doing my very best, Heather,

to not jump ahead here because I am dying inside. I have to know what happens. I have to know how this ends. And I had to everything in me to shut it off yesterday. I had to stop myself from not jumping forward because I need the instant gratification. It's all the best elements of all different dating shows. I mean, so now we've covered Love Island, we've covered bombshells with shipwreckers and all these things, and now we're heading to X on the beach, which is another great dating show. So I'm here for it. I love where this show is going. At the end of this episode, episode six, are you still rooting the most for Tim and Gia? Or are you rooting more for Lexi and James? This is a toss-up for me. Okay, I still stand by, I believe Tim and Gia could be the real deal, but I believe Lexi and James

go the rest of the way. I, like in my heart, I think that Lexi and James win. And I am not, I've stopped myself. I have not seen how the show ends. I've not watched any further episodes, but I believe that Lexi and James win. All right. Well, we'll have to see how this plays out. We've got only three more episodes, which is crazy. I'm like, please don't give me an ending. What am I going to do with all my free time after this? Well, I wonder if we're going to get some sort of reunion. We'll have to wait and see. We have to go. We have to go. We have to find a way to get there in person, Heather, and sit in the audience. And I have to be able to attend. This is my new obsession. If you guys haven't been watching, please catch up. Please watch the show. It is so funny.

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