The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Becca on the Beach

Episode Date: October 19, 2021

Becca Kufrin is back from Paradise with a brand new boyfriend! She and Thomas are here with Ben and Ashley and spilling all the details of their surprise success story. Find out why they decided to give their relationship another go, and hear what was going through Becca’s mind about Thomas before she showed up on the beach. And, has the next Bachelor been announced officially?? We share everything we know! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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two wonderful people who have been a success story of this season's Bachelor in Paradise. We've got Thomas and Becca. And they're sitting here right with me right now. So welcome to the podcast. Hello, Becca and Thomas. Ashley, would you consider a success story if I broke up with him on the beach that last day? Yes. That leads me to my first question.

I know you had to do that. Okay? I was there. I've been through this before. And they made me go through it in the way that Thomas went through. And I was like, wait a second. This makes no sense. This is the first time on this show.

I feel like I, I feel like I see right through you. So explain to me, Becca, honestly, as honestly as you can, what really happened when you had to sit him down that day? Well, okay, so what the interesting part is, is those last, what would you say, two or three days leading up to the actual breakup, we didn't see each other at all. They had us completely split up. And so the day that Dean and Kalam came down and were like, hey, Paradise is over. You either go to the fantasy suites or you break up.

I was in this mindset where I was like, I haven't seen this guy for a couple of days. We haven't really been able to have any conversation other than saying yes to a rose at the last rose ceremony. And I was very adamant the entire time of like, I'm not going to leave the show for a third time with somebody if I don't fully know them because I felt like I did that in the past and then got into the real world and got to know somebody in a completely different light. and so that last day I was kind of on the fence of like yeah I still am into him but my head is made up right now that this is my decision

I'm not ready to go into the fantasy suites with him and it wasn't until the last moments where he was like I don't want to leave any what if fight for us fight for this relationship where I was like oh maybe I am making a mistake here but at that point it was like too little

and you know how fast everything happens because they have to go through the breakups, then they have to go through people being like, yeah, let's go to the fantasy suite. So it's like, boom, boom. So he left, but then right away when I got my phone back the next day, I was like, I'm going to just text Thomas

and see if he still wants to talk. So I think like had we had more time those last few days, the decision would have been different. I probably would have said, hey, let's leave the beach and date. You know, not get engaged, not go to the fantasy suites, but still date.

But because we have conversations for a while, I just like, I was like, I can't do this a third time. So I kind of just panicked internally. Interesting. Okay. But I was going to say, why didn't you feel like you could just say, let's go off and date? We obviously aren't at the point to have overnights or anything like this, but I'd still like to talk to you in the real world. Yeah, which I'm looking back now, I should have. I think a main thing for me, though, was the entire time that we were on the beach together,

it was smooth sailing. I mean, we really had no issues whatsoever, which freaked me out because I was like in a real relationship, we need to have arguments and I need to see how you react when we're fighting or when things aren't going your way. And I just thought, like for, and I will say this, because I know people have said, like Thomas seems so well spoken and kind of script. it and rehearsed and like he's saying all the right things so when i was saying thomas seems too good to be true that's like what i thought i felt like i only saw one side of

him work he was i was putting on this positive brave face but i was like i want to see more of a human in you i want to see more of the real raw negative emotions at times and so i felt like i didn't quite fully know who he was at that point and that's again what kind of freaked me out And I was like, I can't be all in and leave here in another public relationship and see people have us go off and know we're together right now if I don't feel 100% comfortable. And so that's why really when we're out in the real world and finally had our phones back and could start dating, you know, in like the private way because we couldn't be in public because the show was airing.

I really got to know him for him and fell for him, I would say. But up until that point, I felt like I was only doing. I was like, I'm only getting, like, part of him. Like, what am I missing? And I got in a fight with my producer at one point because I was like, I feel like you guys are keeping something from me because I see this man who based on living with on the beach. But then, because I was also watching episodes back doing my podcast.

But then I see this villain edit, who everyone meets on the show. Like, what is it? What am I missing? Where is the disconnect here? Which really mess with my mind. So, Thomas, I have a question for you then. because obviously we get paid on this podcast to have an opinion. Oftentimes our opinion is just based on what we see on television.

You had a line this season in Paradise that I told Ashley on this podcast that stood out to me. It's something really cool. And I don't even know if you meant to it. But I think you told Anna, I believe it was Anna. You said, hey, this is, Paradise is a place for redemption. Like, it's a place to create your redemption story. And I really felt like you did that here, right? Like, obviously, Becca is one of the women in this world I care about the most.

and so very protective of her, just from a distance, but she's just an awesome girl. And so, like, when you guys started dating, I was like, okay, what's going on here? Ashley and I also, I do want to give us some credit, even after your time on The Bachelorette, we kind of defended you. Like, we said, hey, I don't think we're seeing this whole story.

Like, this doesn't feel like that big a deal. Like, you know, I don't think he's communicating himself perfectly, but like, um, but like, hey, he sees this thing as an opportunity. Who doesn't? Who knows where this could lead, and maybe it leads to love. Hey, I appreciate your honesty, too. Yeah, I mean, at least you're open about it. But here's my question comes.

You have now been criticized on The Bachelorette as being too well-spoken. People not getting to know you feeling like there's something hiding. Then Becca feels that way initially too. Can you defend your... I guess it's not much of a question. Can you defend where that comes from? Like, why do you think that is how you come off to people? Is that how you want to come off to people?

like everything's put together. And what would you say to that now after Paradise? So what I'd say is that's something that's been something that's followed me historically. If we talk about just a lifelong context, I've been hearing similar things about that since my late college years and starting transition professional world. And to me, there was a repeating pattern there. And what I'm seeing there is, yes,

they initially feel like this person can't be this happy-go-lucky guy who just seems to have life together and it's always positive and always looking at the bright side. At the same time, I look at how long that's been going on for and if people are saying that for over 10 years now, that's just who I am.

And it's something people can have an opinion about us, no matter what we do, they're going to take it as they want. At the end of the day, one of the reasons why I wasn't fazed by the criticism that I received on the Bachelorette initially on the beach and even with Becca's,

I have the confidence that that is who I am and that's how I continue to show up because I don't know how to do it any other way. And now being able to see each other in the real world, Becca saw that glimpse on the beach, was wondering, all right, what am I missing, saw that I also had the emotional component to really have that empathy towards her situation and the desire to grow in our relationship. but I am that happy-go-lucky positive guy who seemingly has it together but is just as flawed as anybody else and it's just people decide to see what they want to see. So I mean, with that then,

I would imagine, you know, that do you, I guess I should ask you, like, does that take work? Or is that just who you are? And Becca, maybe you can answer that too is after getting to spend some time with Thomas at this point, you know, I don't know how many months it's been

that you guys have kind of rekindled and dated. and been together often, but maybe you both can just speak to what you've seen, Becca, and then Thomas, like, does that take work to always be happy, go lucky? And does maybe that confuse? I mean, I feel like that would confuse me if I'm just, I mean, that was my biggest insecurity, buddy, like that people, the more they get to know me, the less they would like me because they wouldn't understand me.

And I'm like, I don't know, I don't know why, you know? So, like, I can kind of feel where you're coming from. It's like, that's just who I am. But I'm going to let you two speak to that first. I would say, and this is something that I, I believe I said several times in my interviews on the beach that I don't think it was ever aired, but like in the entire process of me trying to get to know him, I kept saying like, I want to know more sides of him. Like again, I see this positive, happy go lucky guy, which to me, I just like, I don't think people are fully used to that. I can think of a handful of people in my life that are that way. Like my mom being one of them. My mom is positive. she's always been someone when I've been down or cranky like always looks at the bright side and tries to build me up and I just wasn't used to that and I would say maybe this is just my own thing is men being like that and so for a while when I was like okay is this really him or is it not if that is him that's a beautiful thing

like and I would never want to change him but I just want to make sure I know what I'm getting into if this is my partner because I would hate to think that that is him and then come back in the real world and date in a public relationship in a public way and then have him like completely changed and pull 180 on me where I was like, oh, I thought I fell for somebody on the beach, but now you're acting different. And so that's where my main holdup was. And, and just getting to know him outside of paradise, because that's where I feel like our relationship really took off was when we could be on our own, on our own time, have our own conversations away from the cameras and everyone where I got to know him for him. And of course, like the more time you spend with somebody,

the more sides you see to them and the more traits you see. But he's still always been that positive guy. And we laugh about it because, like, we'll have arguments or all be down and cranky or having a moment. And he's still so supportive trying to build me up. And he'll laugh and he'll be like, how much am I annoying you right now and, like, being so positive? And I'm like, yeah, a little bit, but I still love you.

So, but, like, that's just who he is. And again, like, it's just a beautiful thing. But I just feel really lucky now that I can see more sides where that is who he is. but he can also get real and raw and open up. And, you know, he has his moments too where I have to kind of be more of the supportive, positive one to build a good balance. But I just feel like I needed our time away for the show

to really feel comfortable in seeing that and being all in and the relationship. That's great to hear. I mean, it is. Yeah, it is. And Becca, earlier you mentioned that, you know, you're watching The Bachelorette season, kind of like throughout and a little bit before Paradise.

And unlike most girls who go to Paradise, they get to see like two episodes of that Bachelorette season. They don't really get to know the guys. You don't get to know really who's a villain and who's not. But you, I'm assuming you're getting some screeners for your podcast. So you're probably ahead of the game. And you knew what was going on with Thomas and the storyline that he had on Katie's season.

let's just dive a little deeper into like how that affected your willingness to get to know him in paradise yeah it was it was a weird position to be in and looking back i don't like going into paradise i didn't want my life and my priorities and my work to change so that was one of the things that i was like if i'm going to come down here i still want to be able to do the podcast, do work for my wine label, like, be as normal as possible and still be able to get those tasks done, which I think helped and hurt me both when I was down there because, yeah, I was getting screeners early. So when I actually, the night I stepped onto the beach, I had only seen, I think, the first two

episodes. So he really didn't have the bad edit at that. You know, some things raised on him, but nothing major. But then, you know, fast forward. Now we're on the beach. We've had our first date and we've spent weeks together and really, I think, started our relationship. That's when I started to get the episodes where, you know, people started calling him out. And so that's where I'm questioning the whole.

It was this weird, like I'm seeing one side of him and I'm seeing him get along with not only me, but all of the other cast on the beach with the producers, you know, not really having any issues. I think I came in after most of his drama was done with Tammy and Aaron and then I'm seeing him just being vilified. Is that a word? Rilified? It's a great word. And it was weird to me because when I'm watching it, I'm like,

okay, he got asked he would ever consider being the bachelor. To me, in reality, like that's not that bad. You know, I guarantee he would go to 90% of those men. They would say yes. It's crossed our mind. So, like, yes, we would say yes to the opportunity. So to have it be so blown up and watching just

everyone talk crap on him and Katie send him home in the way that it did to me just didn't add up in general but then I'm seeing this whole other side and we're living with him day in and day out constantly together it just didn't make sense so in my I'm like questioning the producers and I'm like what am I missing like what's

going on because why portray him one way on the show and then he he seems great on the beach so it was just this weird trying to like navigate you know and see one thing, am I going to give them a chance and stay open? But it was tough.

And honestly, I don't know until ever, I don't think they would ever allow anyone to see early screeners and still be going on the show to date people who are potentially on that season. It was weird. It was really weird. Well, it worked. Thomas, I want to ask you then, why did you go back? And maybe you could give us some context.

Did you know how your season of The Bachelorette was even playing out when you're on the beach? And then second, like, if you did, why did you choose to go to the beach knowing that, you know, it wasn't like the best of times for you? I had no idea of how everything is to be air, how it was received. We were actually already in quarantine filming Paradise before the premiere for Bachelor even came out. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

In Paradise before the Bachelorette premiere even came out. So we were just going on, living our life. And I showed up in Paradise the same way that I showed up. up in New Mexico and that's why I felt confident in doing it because it was just I only know one way to be and that's myself and the thing if you look at what happens in the bachelorette is because I was sort of the odd man out because the same pattern somewhat started to try to take place in paradise where when I was the competition I was perceived as a threat in this person that had to be vanquished in some way shape or form but as soon as I was solidified and I was just with Becca the same

people had all that strife and conflict with me, you notice all that went to the wayside. And a lot of similar story pattern that happened to the Bachelorette that led to a lot of the forward momentum that led to my ultimate, quote unquote, demise on that show. And that was all just based off of being that happy go lucky, positive guy trying to reach out in love on everybody else. And in that environment, it's just not suited. And it wasn't received in a way that people thought was, I could possibly be this way. And the reason why I showed up in paradise is because I was like, no, I'm not going to be deterred

of being who I am because of a negative reaction right here. And I believe that this is something that could work. And alone behold, we're here and it's something that could work. And I mean, and you both know because you've been through multiple seasons, like, when you're filming and living in the moment, it doesn't seem as extreme and heightened until you watch it back, you know, months later when they had to. music and everyone's sound by stems. That's what everything is

and so I'm sure I mean I can't speak for him but I can assume that he knows how he went home he remembers the way Katie spoke and how she sent him out the door but until you're watching it back and everything's

pulled together you're like oh that's way worse than I expected it to be but he didn't see it at that point so I was seeing that he had no idea So I would come back at times from watching the episodes, I'd be like, yeah, it's not going to be good for you. Yeah. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor.

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confront it. How was that? Like, I mean, especially for you, Thomas, entering back into this and knowing just kind of how you were treated and maybe some of other. it, you know, Katie can justify and say, hey, it's just what I was hearing. Like, I'm not saying she was completely in the wrong here, but for you to see her in person again, like, how did that go? It was cordial. It was quick. I mean, from mental all to every single time anyone was asking about it, I haven't had any bit of bad blood or animosity towards Katie. My first interview

I had, I take full responsibility for it because if you put yourself in her position and she has pressure of what she was doing on her shoulder to begin with and then an entire collective of guy saying one thing and really hammering that home, he had no choice really other to send me home. Granted, she could have handled the circumstances around a little bit differently on how she sent me home. But at the end of the day, the way that she did it was actually something beneficial for me. And I looked at it as almost as a favor because the same thing that I said to Becca on the beach is I don't like to live a life with. any what-ifs. The moment everything transpired the way that it did, I just knew those weren't

people who were intended to be in my life in any way, shape, or form outside of just acquaintances that we were around for a brief period of time. So to me, all of that was just water under the bridge. There's no lingering hard feelings or ill will towards anyone in this entire experience to this point. And at the end of the day, this entire franchise is based around the possibility of finding romance and finding love. So I look at where I am now and as unconventional it is, I see myself as one of the most successful

things that could have happened here because I found love and what it's all about. So it wasn't weird. It was easy and I'm just glad every single day. Yeah. We all realize we're adults and we can laugh that way, you know, act like an adult and be mature about it. Like we've all gone through way harder

things in our life. So this, when he says it's water under the bridge, I don't think anyone had any ill will or, you know, alcohol helps. We all had some one. It does. Yeah, it does. I agree. So Blake was also there this weekend in San Diego and he had so many things to say leading up to Paradise filming, you know, whether he's going to be there, not going to be there, date you, not going to date you.

Like all these things swirling in Bachelor Nation as to the decision for him to be or not to be there. How did you feel about your name in his mouth so much? Do you mean Blake wanted to date me? No. Yeah. Who doesn't, Thomas? Um, you know, like, here's the thing. Blake and I, and even when I saw this weekend, we hugged and I was like, it's good to see you at the end of the day. Like, I wish the best for you. And it was, it was fine. And we've always been in good standings, I would say. Even after my season, obviously, you know, like at that point, it was weird because I broke up with him on national television and got engaged to somebody else. But with that, like there was never any ill will or bad blood between us.

We've kept in contact. We've supported each other. We've been, I think, good supporters. And I would say friends, I think there was just miscommunications. and chalk it up to like men and women and how people communicate I've always like been in I'd say sporadic contact

but it was in my mind never something that was you know serious as like a relationship would go um and so like for me now it's like we all kind of know what goes on and who's dating who and so in my mind it's just like

you know if I don't if like I just I guess I wouldn't talk about somebody as much or, you know, like be hyper-focused on somebody if I knew a relationship, if that makes sense. Yeah, so it was strange. It was not comfortable because he knew and he had even said, like, he's like, I know you're in a relationship and you're probably trying to protect something with Thomas. But, yeah, I mean, it was good.

I don't think it's ever, you know, again, it's just communication between men and women and between the two of us. but I will always wish him the best and support him. We went to his show, and Katie and I were up on stage with him. And so, yeah, I think we'll always be cordial with each other in support of. Obviously, we're going to be at Ben's wedding together. So, yeah, I'm glad you guys had to settle, like, saw each other before my wedding. I was selfishly, I'm very happy this happened this last weekend.

You know, Nick and Caitlin did the same thing before our wedding, and we were also very grateful for it. I'm like, hey, this is great. You guys hash this out. Well, I do want to just hear from the two of you then because obviously, you know, you both went on to paradise probably definitely with different stories, different intentions. And, you know, now you sit here today on this podcast together. You're holding each other's legs and you look really cute and good looking couple.

How does it feel? Like, how are you doing? How does this feel? Where does this go? You want to take it away? I'd say the most remarkable thing of all of it, it feels normal. It feels not like any other version of like a happy life should or I can imagine it would feel. And we wake up and we take our dogs out and we drink coffee and we talk about what we need to do for the day.

They're so boring. We support each other through that and we'll dinner together. And it's just it's just the most simple. easy, beautiful thing that I could ask for. And I feel like when you find the right person, that's what it feels like. It's just been, I'm speaking for myself here. It's just been nothing short of everything I could have asked for.

Yeah, it's, and maybe you, I don't know if you can agree with this statement or not, but coming from the show and coming, because Ben, you obviously got engaged on your season. And did you ever feel like there was some sort of pressure around that because you've got engaged on the show. So I think in the past relationships, that's, you know, that was always a lingering feeling, I would say, for me personally, I'm now the first time where I don't feel that pressure.

And that was the beautiful thing about how we could start our relationship, was on the old terms after the show, away from the cameras. We could have the conversations. And one thing that I told him is I was like, we can take this slow and you can get to know me for me and see if I'm actually somebody that fits in your life and that you're compatible with and want to be with no pressure and if it doesn't work out between us we can hopefully stay friends and have this cool weird unique story behind us but now I just feel like every day I wake up excited but in a way where there's no pressure

in a way where we can just live our lives and when I say like we're boring we really do just, you know, we wake up, walk the dogs, we get our work done, we go grocery shopping, nothing like wild and crazy and overly exciting, but to me it's exciting because it's with him. And this is the first time where I just feel, I hate using the word content, but I just feel content, happy. And he's just like my calm place. And I've never felt like that in a relationship that's so sweet yeah you're well hey ashley and i can both attest to being boring also guys i mean you were on stage at a concert last weekend um i i haven't done anything like that a long i i raked my leaves yesterday and that was the thing i was most proud of so we we're gonna we get it here

oh we yeah we love we love the contentness you guys said uh you said recently becca that you told your mom see myself marrying this man, how is it different now than it was, well, the previous two engagements? Yeah. Again, I think it's just on our own terms, no pressure. I, and this is actually something to that I said on the show that they would never air. I know that they would never include this. But I think it was on our first one-on-one date. I told Thomas, I'm like, I want a partner, but I don't know if marriage is for me. And I think that was just because, I didn't find somebody that I was all in, ready to commit to fully. Like, yes, I was engaged in the past and I was invested in those relationships.

I don't want to downplay those. I would say maybe the first one doesn't count as much. But after my time on the bachelorette, definitely invested. But it just never felt fully right. And so that's why, you know, there was never a wedding. There was never anything planned. And he's the first guy that I've been like, I can't. picture my life without him i want to do every day with him boring or not i want him to be by my

side and i want to invest and commit and it just it just it's the first one that like really feels right like really feels like this could be it you know you've you've mentioned it a few times and i was just sitting here trying to think of you know the pressure is a true thing but you know i was thinking, okay, I want to make sure I understand exactly like in my relationships when I don't feel the pressure good or bad or indifferent. I really only felt pressure when things were going poorly or when I knew it wasn't healthy or when I knew this wasn't right for both parties involved, like that both of us probably should be out of this. We're not our best versions of ourselves. We're not content. The boring things aren't just boring. They're burdens. And every day felt

like a tougher day. And that's when the pressure started to feel. But like in my, you know, relationship now, like contentment, I would say, is at the surface. I just told Jess this week, like, I'm almost upset that I don't feel more anxiousness towards the wedding or nerves. Like, I just feel good about it, like peaceful about it. Like, I just feel excited that I'm marrying somebody that I love and that I don't feel pressure to marry her. In fact, it's just a decision I want to make. And so I think that's like, it's like a magical, really beautiful thing you're saying is like the lack of pressure probably only happens, I would assume, when things aren't going well because then you feel like you got to stick it out and there's no way out so yeah that's a good

that's i don't know i appreciate you saying that i think it's kind of cool um you are kind of like the second version of what's happened with kately you know she was fully committed and in a relationship for three years after being the lead and now look you're it's very very similar end up with somebody from a different season and you were a lead and i think it's cool Yeah. And that's, I mean, and I love Caitlin. And she and she was really great and helps me through the breakup because she was a past lead that was with her partner for a few years. It wasn't break up. She really did give it her all. And so like going through that breakup, she helped me tremendously. And even now just bonding with her over. And we laugh about it now because she honestly was on Katie season hosting with Tasia and got to know the. guys and I think she told tia before coming on to paradise like watch out for two guys watch out for thomas watch out for erin about that now but yeah it's it's it's nice to see other examples of relationships come from the show that aren't the conventional way or quote of put

like the right way of how things should have been done but you still meet people in different avenues at different events or whatever it might be part of Bachelor Nation. And I was very adamant. I was like, I don't want to date anyone else from the show, really. I don't want to have another public relationship. And I mean, here I am a couple months later. But yeah, so she's been great to see. And I would just hope that I know it's because so many contestants come from the show.

And I think hopefully it can be a good thing for people to see someone in Thomas's position who really got the short. end of the stick and had a terrible time around to still be open to finding somebody and whether it's with a friendship or an actual partner from the show in the franchise um i think it's just going to be nice for other people to see him and and be like okay you know he had a really should go but but it could still turn around you never know yeah been about the conversation i was in the quote it was your past experiences don't define you here And I saw that was true firsthand at the beach with my relationship with everyone who I had the time with in New Mexico.

And that's just as true in life. And that's something that I'm glad she got to have that experience just as well as anybody else. And I'm seeing that play out first hand here in that exact scenario, Becca just went over. Well, Thomas, if I filled out a jacket the way you do, I'd been seen on Paradise also just to show off the arms. But I never went. And there's a reason why, because I have a hard time with even a small t-shirt. So, you have a beautiful in a couple of weeks coming up. Yeah, you do.

That's right. That's right, man. I'm so pumped. I'm getting really excited. Planning is done. It's time to celebrate. For a lot of the couples, we get to see their first. I love you's on the show, but we didn't get to see that with you.

So can you tell us about how that moment went down? Do you want me to tell me if you want to tell it? I'll tell the first part. and needs to bring it home? Yeah, okay. Okay. So the first one, it started in phases. There was the I'm falling in love with you initially.

And that was I went up to see her in L.A. And I walked through the door and I'm surprised with the most elaborate blanket fort assembled in the middle of her living room. And it was just incredible. So we spent that night in a blanket fort eating snack playing games. I looked over and I'm like, I'm falling in love with you. you know you have the feeling long before you have the words to express it and it was something I just felt continuing to bubble up and you bubble up in me and then a week and a half two weeks later

we're here making dinner in San Diego yeah we were just hanging out and he we were just sitting on his back balcony in front of the fire drinking wine talking and um like you know when you just have word vomit and you're like oh it's going to spill out of me but I kind of want to keep I was trying to keep it in for a while, and then all of us holding in. I just looked at him. And what did I say? I was like, you know what? I think I'm falling in love with you, Thomas.

And then right away you set it back, or you were like, I know you are something. I don't know. But I was trying to hold it in for so long and just popped out. Obviously, thankfully, he reciprocated it because it could have gotten real awkward. But I think we just both felt it and we both knew. And yeah, it was really special. It was one of those moments leading into it. We were both just staring at each other, giggling, like, little little school children.

It was just like, I love you. Yeah. Oh, sweet. That's so sweet. You mentioned L.A. and San Diego. I have to assume that the fact that you guys are so close geographically has really helped build the relationship. Yeah, yeah.

I think we really lucked out in that department where, because obviously everyone from the show was from all over the country or from Canada. And it actually was one of our first conversations that kind of bonded us because I found him he lived in San Diego. I was like, oh, I used to live in that area. So we talked about our favorite restaurants and wine bars and coffee shops. But it's been nice because it's only about a two and a half hour drive without traffic on a good day.

It's kind of fun. Because, yeah, we spend, what would you say, 85% of our time together, 90% of our time together. and so it's fun because we both have home bases in the cities but then it's like a little road trip back and forth and he I know would like me to already be living in San Diego but I just bought a house so I got a got to say but it's an adventure but yeah it's so nice if he's close

I can't imagine having to fly back and forth places it would just be too tough we had the proximity which allowed us to spend the 90% of time together with each other and more important that we had that time together away from the cameras having to be indoors having to have or just intimate one-on-one time that to me I feel like was the biggest blessing we could have had to start a relationship because at that point it's all right we just spent three and a half months confined in our homes with nothing but each other to keep us distracted and that's still someone who we continue to fall in love with deeper and deeper each day

to me. It's like building a foundation on a pillar of stone instead of sand in that way. And now we have to go explore. We have Costco to go grocery shopping in. Exactly. And then for us, like, what we started this with, we have that deep level of contentment in the normal, quote unquote, simple things. And that was heavily attributed to us having that first three and a half months just being able to be close and spend time each other's homes. Yeah. I don't know how in the world do you hide, Thomas? I don't know how, like, there's some people in this franchise that you can sneak in with a mustache and a backwards hat and sunglasses, but fella, that's not easy to sneak you around. It doesn't work.

I didn't really go to public besides. We would take the dogs on walks and go to parks. And I could tell when he would get spotted, you know, you always see somebody's eyes in the gasp. And so I would just always beeline it away so they didn't see me. And then he'd get stopped. And it would look, you know, look like he was. alone but it's funny because and betty you probably get this all the time because you're a tall guy you know when you're walking through the airport or the grocery store and people recognize

you and it's just so reactions to him yeah you don't hide we don't hide well um but that's okay hey so it's fine um Ashley anything else oh I was just going to say Becca do you have any regrets now buying the house because you look for a whole year for a house basically you said on Instagram. And now you're like, oh, man, do I want to be stuck in L.A. or do I want to be in San Diego? You know what? A little bit, but I'm so still proud of myself that I was able to find one and just do it on my own. And worst case scenario, I'll just still keep it for a while and use it as an investment or a rental property. But yeah, it's, I mean, it's that timing was not ideal, but I'm going to make it work.

Actually, because the day I officially closed on the house was the last day of paradise. So I got back to the hotel. I was seeing because I just broke up with him. And I then regretted that. And I was like, oh, man, I have these one. So I'm sobbing all the best.

And one of my best friends who also is the producer, who also used the same realtor and lender that I used. got all these texting calls in from them. And she was like, Becca, I know you're sad right now, but you just close out of your home. Yeah. Now we know why you're in a rush out of there. This all makes sense now.

Becca is like, I close on a house in two hours, Thomas. I'm sorry, dude, this isn't going to make sense. But I'm out. Like, we'll talk later. We'll figure this out in a couple hours. Hey, you two are great. Thanks for joining us today. We really appreciate you coming on the Almost Famous podcast.

Best of luck to both of you. Thanks for sharing your story. Thanks so much. Thank you. Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free... I heart radio app, search emergency intercom, and listen now. The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here.

And we're locked in. That means more juicy chisement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no, we're not doing that this season. Oh. Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it.

Get in here! Today we have a very special guest with us, our new Super Secret Bestie. is the diva of the people. The diva of the people. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay.

That's us. We're in the head? That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heart breaks, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Microtura Podcast Network available

on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin, so, like, it's not, like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago.

I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story. that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer

walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack. on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth?

Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months.

The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the eye. Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable. These are the coldest of cold cases, but everything is about to change.

Every case that is a cold case that has DNA. Right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is crows. tracking the code on DNA. Using new scientific tools, they're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it. He never thought he was going to get caught,

and I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha. On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors, and you'll meet the team behind the scenes at Othrum, the Houston Lab that takes on the most hopeless cases, to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What a really happy couple. I mean, that is something special. And I know people still have their reservations about Thomas. But, you know, I am protective of Becca because I got to spend so much time with her. And I know what her heart desires. And it feels like, I mean, Ashley, tell me if I'm crazy. It just feels like, I mean, Ashley, tell me if I'm crazy. It just feels like,

They're good, like no pressure on them, but it just feels like they're good. I know. I feel really good about them. I'm excited to see where the year takes them. And, well, it's now time for one of our favorite parts with our resident expert, Ashley I Kennedy, breaking down all the headlines. And Bachelor Nation, here we go. First headline is this. This is a cute one. Bachelor in Paradise's Noah crashes car into house while kissing Abigail. This is according to E. Guys, this is crazy. I heard about this a couple days ago. So on Thursday, October 14th, Noah got on his Instagram stories, and he described what happened that night. He goes, just took Abigail out to a nice dinner.

We're enjoying ourselves, incredible experience. Food was great. We hop in the car. We start listening to Annie of all things. The sun will come out tomorrow. Comes on. It starts raining. The mood is getting right.

We get to my house. I stop the car. I look at Abigail. And I think, dang. She looks really pretty So I start kissing her And it turns out I never put the car in park

And I rolled right through my grass And hit my house He says It's kind of cute It's very cute Genuinely small little kiss Turned into me hitting the house I've never done that before

I wouldn't think I'd ever do that It's absurd But here I am letting all the things Go into shambles For a little bit of love Which is adorable I wonder if there was actual damage to the house or just a little tap?

Yeah, I mean, hey, a car and park going into the siding will definitely cause some issues, but what a story to joke about one day later on? I guess his foot wasn't on the gas. Well, that's even better. Yeah, that would cause some damage. Well, hey, Madison Pruitt revisits Tintz, Peter Weber after the final rose in new book. She's a new book coming out if you didn't know this. Has she spoken to The Bachelor?

The headline questions. This is according to Us Weekly. Okay. So she says that the pair, the two of them, have mutual, they have mutual friends, but they have had no direct contact. She says through mutual friends, there have been conversations circulating. We have not seen each other since the finale. We don't talk or anything like that. I have nothing but the best to say about him. I think he's an incredible guy. And everyone goes off of what they see on an edit on a TV series. screen but people have to remember that every single one of us are human beings and things can be depicted in a certain way but we have real feelings blah blah blah blah they haven't seen each other they haven't talked yeah along's for sure they haven't talked but her new book is coming out uh well michelle young teases three guys fans should keep their eyes on ahead of bachelorette premier this according to et okay yeah so et t says these are the guys that we need to look out for

Clayton, who apparently is a sweetheart and is the new Bachelor, so of course we have our eye on him. Rodney. Wait, time out. Can I pause you there? Isn't it weird that like the show hasn't officially announced Clayton as their bachelor yet Jesse Palmer post a picture

with him on Instagram? Thank you. That's weird to me. That was so weird. I was like, is this the official announcement? Did I not see it? Very odd. I agree. Very odd. Okay. So then we apparently need to look out for Rodney and Jamie, who left a very memorable first impression and was, oh, Michelle's first one-on-one.

Okay. So Rodney, Clayton, and Jamie. Katie Thurston fires back at social media speculation about Blake Moyne's engagement. This is according to us weekly. Okay, so there are people saying, are you okay? Is it okay? You guys aren't liking each other's posts. Oh, you're not liking each other's post.

Okay, now, wait a second, is this, is this stupid? I think that that is actually a little weird. You don't have to comment under each post, but you're not going to like each post? You don't, you're telling me, you don't like. I don't like everyone of Jessica's. Stop, no. It's supportive. Not on purpose.

It's like you're doing a great job, sweetie. No, I sure it is, but like I'm not on my phone that much. And so if she posts on social media, I don't. see it like i don't go back through and like look at all the pictures she posted i just like it's not like if i saw one of hers of course i would like it i'd probably comment but oftentimes i don't even see half the stuff she's posting because i'm just not on it okay and if he's in africa okay that's the real that's all different yeah because he's probably posting 12 hours before she's actually getting on her phone so in those 12 hours and vice versa

fans are like oh they haven't liked that picture yet well yeah because the time change but Anyway, this is what Katie said. She says, imagine your fiancé has been on his stories for weeks in Kenya, working his butt off. And yet, this is what people notice. She goes, but liking posts equal to love, I thought. That's what a Twitter person said. Liking posts equals to love, I thought. And then she said, I guess that's love 2021.

All right. So, you know, if you want to. really like get into this with bachelor or bachelor nation world like Katelyn and Dean they don't even like follow each other yeah everybody's silly everybody's silly come on if they're together they're together if they're not to let us know and we'll be the first to announce it well hey uh Katelyn Bristow and Tasha Adams react to Jesse Palmer being named host of the Bachelor this according to ET so so our friend Lauren Zima she spoke to both the girls and this was what Caitlin said I think it makes sense to have

women around the bachelorette and men around for the bachelor just to be supportive he's been the bachelor we've been bachelorette it's kind of nice to have that perspective i'm here to validate your feelings or what you're going through you know i think it brings a whole new perception to the bachelor and the bachelorette that's what tasha said she said i think with jesse we might be to bring it back to how the franchise used to be um he can give some pretty good pointers i'm excited for him. I think it's good for Jesse to come on. There you go. Well, we got our, I think they're called host now. I get confused. But our host, Caitlin Bristow and Tasha Adams of the Bachelorette, commenting on Jesse Palmer. That's all the headlines we have for you today. Super thankful

for all of these headlines and all the madness that Bachelorette is in the Bachelor world is creating. Well, hey, let's take a break here. When we come back, we're going to have Alexis, the winner of our Bachelor in Paradise Brackett League. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen that. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself.

My dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, couple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security

prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York state number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him

the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the eye. Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable.

These are the coldest of cold cases, but everything is about to change. Every case that is a cold case that has DNA. Right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is crows. tracking the code on DNA. Using new scientific tools, they're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it.

He never thought he was going to get caught, and I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha. On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors, and you'll meet the team behind the scenes at Othrum, the Houston Lab that takes on the most hopeless cases, to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy chisement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no. We're not doing that this season. Oh.

Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special Bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here! Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret best see is The Deva of the People. The Deva of the People. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot,

go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship,

heart breaks, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club As a part of the Marco Tura Podcast Network Available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, guys, we are joined right now by our Bachelor in Paradise Bracket winner. Really?

Our league winner, she got the most answers right every single week. So Alexis, congratulations on being a Bachelor fanatic. Thanks. I'm proudly am one. Are you a fan of the podcast too? Yeah. So I started watching The Bachelor during Ben's season with one of my really good friends, Mixie, in college. We were in our program that we were in in school, like everybody watched it. And so we're like, well, let's give it a shot. And ever since then, yeah, I've been pretty diehard about it. Amazing. Who's your favorite couple to come out of the franchise? And you don't have to name.

me. Oh, my favorite. You don't have to, but it would be highly suggested. No, please, other than me, other than. How conceited is that? So silly. Yeah, I'm really enjoying Katie and Blake. Okay.

I felt like it was a good, a good match. So thinking, although there's been some things that have been, I don't know, going on. I guess people are, like, concerned that he's not commenting on her stuff, even though He's in Africa. Yeah, I think, I don't know. We're not reading too far into that here. Like, we're like, he's in Africa. Like, give the guy a break.

He doesn't need to be on social media right now. Yeah. Yeah, it's silly to feel any pressure after right under every one of your significant other pictures on Instagram. Who were you rooting for this paradise season? Oh, well, definitely Joe and Serena. Yeah. They were just so cute.

But I, during, um, right? and Marissa's engagement, I guess it was prior, like the fantasy suite, I thought he's just being so, like, open with his feelings and so genuine. And the whole Sunday morning thing was just like, so cute. So those were my, my two couples. You know, obviously, you're the first inaugural winner of our almost famous Bachelor bracket. And many people out there listening right now are wondering, what was your strategy? Like, how did how, when you went into every week. How did you pick your people? What did you think through? Share some insight. Yeah. I would rewatch the previews like a bunch of times and I didn't want to forget my like to pick my people. So I'd

watched right after the episode. I would make, I would pick my team. And then there's actually this YouTube channel, Bachelor fan take. And I like I feel like you should be part of the FBI or something because he will take the whatever one minute preview and turn it into like a 15 minute video and he like super analyzes everything and so I would rewatch that and that would help me kick my team. Okay. Well, Alexis, that begs the question that we bring up every week. Did you see Marissa kissing DeMar? No, I didn't, which I was, yeah, whenever I want to see that clip. I haven't looked it up yet. But when you guys mentioned it the first time, I remember seeing them on the couch, but I don't remember that. And I was really surprised that I didn't catch it. So I don't

know. I got a direct message this week that explained the video. Somebody did that FBI type investigation. And I guess it was really good editing. So it was like meant to be seen like that. But they said it was the weird angles and it wasn't DeMar and that was good editing. I'm going to believe it, even though I watched it. I'm like, I don't know how they did that. But I mean, it feels like we're the only one super engaged in this conversation. So that DM made sense to me. Now, Alexis, we had, I don't know how many. I think we had close to maybe over 2,000 people joined this bracket. How does it feel to be the winner? Like, do you win a lot of things in your life? Honestly, I consider myself to be a pretty lucky person. But I think I'm more just competitive

and especially when it's like the end goal is something that I actually want, you know? So we, I've done a fantasy league before, my best friend, April. We've done one just like by ourselves. And so this was the first time that I've ever done batch bracket. Actually, it was the second time. I did it for Tasha's season, but it was kind of hard. But I thought like it was a lot more fun because there's so many things that you can get points for. because paradise is just so unpredictable, you know.

Well, Alexa, you're a winner and so is your cat. You guys, we've been able to watch her cat be just all lovy-dovey up on her. And he or she is perfect for Halloween. He looks like Salem. Yeah, he does. Yeah. Alexis, your cat is a superstar. I mean, even decided to take a bath on screen.

That's pretty impressive. That's something that a lot of people aren't familiar with doing. No shame. No shame at all. Alexis, are you going to play in the almost famous season two bachelor at bracket? Of course. I'm hooked now. I love it. I have to.

Yeah, it was kind of interesting. I'd see how many people like joined the league and it kept going up the whole time. So no matter what, people kept wanting to join. And I was, I think what motivated me to keep going was that I was tied for first with one other person for me like time. And I was like, I have to have to. win so well Alexis thanks for playing and thanks are coming on to say hey we appreciate it and we appreciate your listenership you're so sweet and we will uh see you on the bracket i bet we see you back here at some point i could see i could see a two p out of alexis uh in the next

couple seasons yeah i wonder if i'm going to like eventually just become part of bachelor nation yeah let's let's make it happen have my own podcast i've actually met you both Before, well, in a way, Ashley, you made a cameo with Jared for my best friend's birthday. And then I went to, we and the same best friend, April, we went to a Bachelor live on stage in Portland and did like that experience. How was that? Did you enjoy it? Oh, yeah. We went, I mean, like I said, like we're big fans and April is also like an incredible fan more than me. I'm surprised she didn't. If she would have done the bracket, she would have won. So maybe she'll be my competition for the next season. Yeah. Well, Jessica was at that show. Portland was one of

our favorite spots. Thanks for saying hi again. It's good to see you. There's a lot of people on that tour. But it's nice to have you back. So Alexis, thank you. And we will be chatting again, I bet very soon. That's my guess. Well, it's great to have Alexis on the podcast. have a feeling we'll be hearing from her again what a great episode uh Thomas and Becca I mean we'll post some clips but they're just like holding on to each other the whole time seems like they're they're doing really well it's really cool something to celebrate well hey we'll talk to you again tomorrow breaking down this week's episode of The Bachelorette with The Bachelorette Michelle Young it's going to be awesome it's going

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