The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Below Deck with Trista Sutter

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

Ashley is joined by Bachelor OG Trista Sutter to recap this week's episode of The Bachelorette! We break down all the drama from the deck of the cruise ship, and Ashley shares why we might be at a turning point for the season! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're live from Tahoe, by the way. So we're doing podcasts together in person in the same room for the first time in a long time. And we're going to be recording, recording, L.O.L. Recapping this episode four of The Bachelorette together. Yes. I'm so excited to do it with you, Trista. I always love your feedback. You and I, we get screeners, you know.

Yeah. And you had watched a day before me. Yeah. And we were kind of talking about the episode. And like you said, like, what to expect and stuff. and our car ride yesterday from the airport to the hotel and you're like there's like something I'm not sure I really like want to dive deep into but like I'm definitely feeling it and then I watched the episode and I felt the exact same way what we're talking about here is I think

what we'll concentrate on in this episode and that is just the fact that there's a lot of Rachel feeling defeated yeah and that I understand but It was a little overboard. Yeah. We'll dive into that when we get there, but we do like to go in chronological order here. Perfect. So let's start with the morning after last row's ceremony. There's only one thing to say.

What do you get to read, read my mind here. Okay, so wait. So remind me morning after is Hayden and meat, oh, well, meatball. Meatball, that's it. I mean, oh, my, what, blaring. Like, my, my, I was just like, okay, meatballs's here, meatballs here, we're not addressing that meatball is here. Right.

And he just addresses it and says she gave him a second chance, totally. They left us on a cliffhanger. A little bit, yeah. They showed their conversation and she was like, dude, come on. You basically said you want to do with Gabby, and now you're saying we need more time together. It would have been hilarious conversation to see, like, how she actually dealt with it. Right. How do they not show it?

I don't know. Release the video online, guys. Put it on Twitter. Put it on ABC.com. We need this bonus footage. Yeah. It shouldn't have been bonus footage. No, it should have been included.

That was kind of a big deal. Really a big deal. Yeah. I know I 100% agree. He denied her rose. I do give him credit that afterwards, it's kind of like a Jason Mesnick thing. Didn't it seem like a joke when he was like the whole like the music.

Yes. Just the way she's, you know. It's like, oh, this is like, a funny thing that's supposed to be in the credit pay. Right. Totally.

You're right. You're right. But I do. What I want to say is it was kind of like a mezzanic thing realizing after he gave Melissa the rose

that he wanted to be with Molly and Meatball realizing that he denied her rose and then he was regretting it. He just wanted to stick around. He did. Yeah.

No, I know. I would have been like so, I know. You're not getting Gabby's rose. You are obviously coming back to you because you want to stick around. prove yourself to me.

Like what? And I think as we see later, which, you know, we'll go in chronological order. But I do think that there's a role for him. It's probably not with Rachel in the end, but there's a role for him. Yeah, probably. He's actually quite fun to watch. He's pretty endearing. Yeah.

Agreed. The other big thing that comes out with the next morning is that Hayden is saying pretty crappy things. He's saying. Yes. On film. Like does he even freaking real? realize he's part of a television show?

What a dumbass. I know. So he says things like, I don't see how any of these guys can see themselves marrying one of them. And then he apparently says something about boobies and how his ex-girlfriend has a better rack than these girls. Well, and also, and I don't know. First of all, these girls got nice babies.

I mean, come on. I know. Ryan, literally, we were watching the episode. and Ryan rarely watches, but he was watching with me. And he was like, I don't know how that guy is actually like looking her in the eye. I know. I know. Yes, talk about boobies.

But I will say that Hayden did say something about my ex. Like neither of these, I don't know if it was bitches. Compared to. He said these bitches and like compare to. I don't know. We're not like formulating the sentences properly, but those are the phrases. Let's see He is frustrating to me.

He also said something like Gabby used the word Rough Round to the Edge to describe herself but then I say it to her and she's not okay with it. It's kind of like when girls call each other bitches.

Yeah, oh, exactly. Like if we said, if we said these bitches it's like an endearing thing. Totally. I say these bitches all the time in reference to my friend. Right.

Right. Yes, we can call each other bitches. You cannot. Yeah, this bitch. No, not a. okay when a boyfriend, a potential love match calls you a bitch. Not okay. For all those guys listening out there, don't ever use the word. Yeah. All right. So now we see that Jason and Tino get picked out of the crowd to do the one-on-one dates in Paris. What I'm assuming happens here because

it's, because like they get separated is the other guys are staying back. Right. You know how usually they say, they're going to pack your backs because an hour you're hitting the airplane and going to friends that never happens guys we always tell you this it like usually has a day over in like an lax airport you barely ever go on the plane when they say you're going on the plane right so these guys are going to hang back and i'm assuming that jason and tino get to fly solo which is probably really nice and relaxing for them just to get like a break although i did kind of have a little thought i wonder if they're missing like the hangout with the guys because it is fun the travel days are fun oh the travel days are fun they'll experience it apparently on a cruise ship i

know that i'm a huge cruiser yeah you are i've been on 18 cruises yes they're all royal they're all royal crubing except for one princess that i went on seventh grade we did not like princess princess will never sponsor me i guess but okay because princess we um are actually godparents to the ruby princess oh my gosh how horrible of me to say listen it was it was it was nineteen nine it was two thousand yeah and we just no we had we had we had gone royal caribbean and And we tried out princess, and we're like, not, it doesn't compare. You know what? You could try it again because they do have beautiful cruise ships.

And we actually got to christen the cruise ship. That is super cool. We are godparents in the cruise ship. That is so cool. So like, do you have a plaque, like a little picture in the lobby? We do. We are. Stop.

That is so awesome. People will write me all the time and say, oh, I'm on your cruise ship. How funny is that? I mean, and we get like notifications when it's their, the Ruby Princess's birthday. All right. attention ruby princess let's do a bachelor cruise and try to win me over for my seventh grade my seventh grade uh what's the word debacle yeah my seventh grade debacle i i was a ridiculous you want know how ridiculous i was okay i walked into the dining room as a 12 year old okay 12 or 13 and i um

i started crying because it wasn't grand enough in comparison to the the Royal Caribbean dining room. This from the girl who named her son Dawson after Jack Dawson. Like I have something about romance upon the high seas, okay? You sure do.

I love grandiose, high romance. This cruise ship thing is so up my alley. And if it's not up yours, then you got to go cruise more. Jared doesn't like cruises. Okay, I can go on and on. Yeah, we could go on and on. It's all good.

But yes, Jason and Tina are flying to Paris for their one-on-ones, and I'm super excited. that these two were selected for the Paris dates. They were great choices for this. I loved the connection between both of them. Yeah. And I think that's what we pull into the next breakdown with Rachel

is that she had such a great date with Tino. Chill the hell out, the whole episode. Tino is sexy. He's your guy. Don't worry about these other fools. Right? Like you could just leave with him like Claire did. Just believe you guys are amazing together.

Oh, yeah. I know. And same thing with Jason and Gabby. Oh my gosh. Jason and Gabby's so cute. So cute. And he, he's my favorite of all her guys now. I know.

Me too. And maybe because he reminds me of Ryan. You know, Ryan's very reserved and introverted similar to Jason. Jason, right. Yeah. Similar to Jason. And I love that he actually opened up about therapy and they could connect about that. I thought it was really deep.

I thought it had sparks, chemistry, all the things. It was great. There was such a good foundation. Yes. I love that. And I didn't even know his name before now. Same. Same.

And now he's my, like, favorite of her group. Yeah, I do love him. The one thing with Tino is he's also quite reserved. Yeah. I feel their chemistry a lot. I like, there's great romance there. Yes. But I don't, I need to know him more.

Yeah. I want to know his personality more. Yeah. No, I want to know more about. him he's definitely like that dashing he's just that guy from like this cast yeah i mean yeah the one that stands out as like ah you're the one that everyone like you're just the one yeah on night one you stand out yeah he did and he still does yes okay so gabby jokes that she's like in love which is cute because it was before jason and her even like were kissing and stuff it was before

they're even their hard conversation so cute um it's cute that the girls had that little reconvene Yes, I thought that was really sweet. You want to go to the bathroom? Super cute. I love that they have each other. I will say this season, I have been a little disappointed. And we can get into that. We get into it.

We'll get into it. But I will say that the fact that they have each other, I really do love that. It's really nice. And it's so genuine. Yeah, agreed. Well, let's get into it now. Yeah. Because we're kind of getting into that territory.

Yeah. Okay. So I just feel like from, yes, was I years and years and years and years ago, we don't even have to count how many years, things have changed clearly in production, in structure and all of that. Well, you were saying yesterday that you aren't a fan of the fact that they're like kind of winging it and they're letting the girls decide the format. It does not make any sense to me why Jesse will walk in and be like, well, it's up to you. I'm like, no, it shouldn't be up to them. They should be given like the, the scaffolding, if you will, you know, like the structure of it. And then they can play with whatever.

But I just feel like it's so messy. I don't like how messy it is and how, like, everything's up in the air. I feel like I don't know if it should have been from the get-go. There should have been a group for Gabby and a group for Rachel. I don't know that that would have worked. but I do feel like there should be more structure or format. I feel like that could have worked, but I don't know how they do it. The thing would be here.

Actually, this would be super interesting, but something that they would never do. Have the girls part of casting, be in the casting room with the producers and be like, I want him cast it for me. I want him. People would have loved that. Right, because who doesn't love, you know, I watch So You Think You Can Dance. I don't know if you watch that show. The part of the show that I love the most.

is the casting is the audition part of it they need to pull that into the next season we're on to something we're so onto something that would have been incredible and it would have given the proper structure throughout the entire time and there wouldn't have been any like I'm rejected I'm rejected except I suppose if you really think about it those guys could been like I'm in the same room as Gabby now and all of a sudden I want to be with Gabby I mean I guess that could have always happened yeah and because this is a show and you know we do acknowledge production sometimes, if there was a guy that was a little bit on the fence, of course they're going to exploit it.

And we see that happening with Logan. We do. We'll get to that in a second. But I guess, Trista, my question to you is about the structure. Don't you feel like now we have got it? We do. I just feel like it took, like it's been a little hard to watch to this point for me, just because of the lack of structure or format.

I just feel like there would have been less hurt feelings. We could have saved all of that. And mind you, I said this to you yesterday. I get it. This is a television show. They are trying to get people to continue to watch. It's been on for almost 20 years. They need to change things up, right?

I get it. I just feel bad for the girls that they're kind of like the guinea pigs in this situation. They're supposed to have one job. job and that is defined love. Right. And they have kind of two jobs right now, which is navigating this unique situation. And worrying about their friend, you know, like, I don't know. I just feel like there are a lot of different variables that didn't have to be part of the equation.

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And each guy has their own lounge Each team has their own lounge No, I think it's cute But I thought it was really funny When one of the guys was like I can't remember which group it was And he was like And we can go out on the balcony

If we want to go outside Yeah, it's like Well, it seems like we have more freedom here I wonder if they have their own rooms I'm sure You think they each had their own rooms Now that's a luxury we never had That's so true

You know that in one city in Santa Fe I had to share a bed with my two friends A King Bed, the three of us were in King Bed Drop it. Yeah. That's how it was. Well, technically we got me a cot.

So we got me a cot and I put it next to the king bed. Oh, no, I had, we had twin beds. I never had to share a bed with anybody. Oh, very nice. Well,

these guys are going on the date. Nate, Kirk, Quincy, Eric, Michael, Mario, Spencer, Johnny. And it says,

love conquers all, but not without a fight. I'm reading that list of guy names. And I don't know if it's because of the season's format, but I don't know any. I know, I know Nate. Nate.

I know Eric. Eric. I know Mario and Johnny. But I can't tell you. Who's the other? Right? You know what? I can just because after this episode.

Oh, good for you. I'm really bad with names. That is the, I couldn't have told you if I didn't see them on this. I can, so I can picture their faces when I read their name,

but I wouldn't be able to pull up their name. Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, it's a classic bachelorette date. The guys are going to box for love. And, you know, la, la, la, I basically dazed over it

because everybody knows on this podcast that whenever there's like some like sort of sporting event, I'm like, blah, this tells me nothing about you. I did like how they had, uh, they had to tell her, like, profess their love to her in the beginning. That's cute. That was sweet. Yeah. So the real takeaway from this date is that Rachel, it's not even Gabby. It's not Gabby.

Rachel shows up with her guys and she sits next to Gabby as if like there's kind of like sitting on thrones. Like they're going to be the judges, right? Yeah. And the guys are going to be the audience. But Rachel gets super duper upset that none of the guys are coming up to her as she sits with Gabby. And I'm like, girl, love you. But this is not the environment in which the guys think it's natural to come to you. Right.

So I will say, okay, so again, Ryan does not watch. He watched this episode. He turned to me and he said, okay, do you think Rachel's being too sensitive? So sensitive, so dramatic. And I did say, I hate to, like, say anything negative because it is such a pressure cooker of stress. I know exactly what's going on. So you say what you're going to say and then I just want the audience to know that we, like, have, we're going to defend her in a second. For sure.

Like, I don't, I hesitate to say this kind of stuff, but I do feel like she was being overly sensitive. Especially after her date with Tino. Exactly. Like, so first off, again, girl, think T. Tino, Tino, Tino. Exactly. Just don't even worry about these buffoons. Right.

And then I'm thinking, okay, this is ridiculous, but I know that if I were in the situation, I'd probably be reacting the way that she's reacting. And she definitely is going through this, like, a kind of like a pity me thing. And it's like what we all do, I'm not, you know, bashing on her for it. When you get like rejected or you have a sad moment and then you're also like in another moment where you're like, wait a second, this isn't going the way that I thought. then like all those things pile up on your head and you're like wait a second nobody wants me and she's probably not gotten any sleep and they just traveled like all of these things

there are so many things happening it is a pressure cooker of stress so I get it but what I want to say is I wanted to reach through the television and be like remember tino I know I know and remember Zach from last week all you need in this world right now for you, Rachel, is Zach and Dino and decide between the two of them. Exactly. And, and then, you know, a couple other guys really kind of, uh, they came through. Yes. I will say, I thought it was a missed opportunity for those guys to not have sought her out

because there are every single season, there's an episode like that where one guy. Especially lately. Yeah. Like I remember it vividly with Michelle. Right. It seems like a pattern that like now they're trying to. great is like the why don't they pull me a side moment right like come on like but i do think it was a missed opportunity by the guys and i think they realized that when they saw her up i know i know yeah

let's see then we have okay gabby goes on like that one-on-one small date yep with i love the fact that the cruise ship gives them a place for all these little one-on-ones in one spot this is probably like the easiest for like the scouting team but i was disappointed that we get one date in france You guys go to Paris and you guys to each get one day in there and then the rest is on a docked cruise ship? I thought that too. But what I do wonder is I wonder if they're traveling to the next location and they were at sea. Wow. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. Because I thought that too. I was like, they're freaking in Paris. Why are they sitting on the cruise ship? But I bet they're at sea going to another location. It probably makes everything so much easier. They don't have to go to airports with the whole crew and all that. What did they pretend?

like you guys, what did they pretend that you guys were? We were supposed to be like a dance squad when we traveled. People asked us. And people were like, oh my gosh, like so many cute girls. Like, what are you guys doing? And then we were supposed to be like, we're a dance team. So going back to my season, we didn't travel. Oh, okay. They didn't do that back then. We went to, I went to Hawaii with Alex, but just me. Yeah, it was like we each traveled individually. Okay, cool. All right. So Gabby and Spencer, their date, oh, yeah, they talk about being, um, military backgrounds. Yeah. Which is really nice, but we don't get like a whole ton. Like,

it's not the really most memorable moment. No, I don't, I don't see Spencer. No, Spencer is like maybe he'll, I don't, we're already down to five guys. It's crazy. Okay, five to you guys each. Right. So, I mean, like, is Spencer even going to make it through to next week? I don't know. Probably not. Yeah. Okay. So then we, um, got to go to Rachel's. group date, which happens after she talks to the men out being all upset. This is juicy. This was the weirdest thing ever.

I say this is juicy. That's not the right word. This was cringy. I go, this is cringy. Do we even say cringy anymore? Yeah, of course. Okay, cringy is the word then for this episode. When I was thinking, I'm sorry, I said juicy thinking

that we were going to talk about the whole Rambo thing. But no, we're not there yet. That was the, that was like the cocktail party dating. Right. Not the group date. The group date is when she brings the guys into this room with romance experts in Paris. Oh, so we did have that. Okay.

So they went to some, like, castle. They had romance experts. Okay, it wasn't the only. They were in France. Yeah, they were still in France. Okay, okay. So we got a little something, but, you know. Anyway, that, when they opened with those two kissing, I was like, oh, my God.

I was the grossest kissing. It was like 1980s movie kissing. you guys go back and watch 1980s movie kissing it was like that and it's gross no no I literally that it started with that

those two kissing like the experts and I was like these people are not experts I'm not taking any advice of them this is so gross this from a girl

who ate crystals his face on a balcony once but you know forget about that and then they proceeded to have all the guys like there were a bunch of like

oh they were kissing their hand oh my god French kissing their hands. I wanted to die. Disgusting. It made the armpit smelling like actually fine. Like armpit smelling, sure. Making out with your hand in front of everybody. So cringy. Why were the guys so bad at flirting? Oh, yeah. What was that? Well, I mean, I think it's given, okay, she said, well, first, she was wrong. The expert, quote, quote, said that flirting is with your body language, not with words. That is absolutely not true. That's called body language.

You're right. You're not. You're so. Yeah, that's body language. Flirting is with your voice. 100%. The conversation between you two. Like, yes, I guess there could be like flirting if you're like grabbing someone's ass or... There's flirtatious body language, but when we think of flirting, we think of banter. Totally.

If you're first meeting someone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A thousand percent. No, I... Now, as a married couple, Jared might like tap me on the butt and I'd be like, wow. Right. 100%. that date overall was, I kept saying I would have been mortified to be on this date.

Oh my gosh. Mortified. One thousand percent. Like all of it. All of it. I just, uh-uh. Um, but I do want to, there's like one moment that there was, okay, so back to like the flirting in the body language, I was thinking like, why is it so awkward?

And I'm like, I guess because like they have to go up and like with their body in front of all this, all these people like be. I don't know. That was, she didn't seem into it. Like she truly seemed turned off. Like she seemed like she was getting the Ix by. How can you not?

I know. She's like, oh, God, I don't like these guys. I mean, in person. Yeah. Like, we were getting the ex watching it.

Yeah. If you're there live in person, uh-uh. All huge turn off. And it, and it actually worked against their relationships. Like, Zach was on this date. Yeah. And they have a really strong relationship.

Oh, my God. And it seemed like she wasn't even into Zach. I know. I know. I was alarmed for that. I did not like this date. In my head, he's runner up. Yeah.

100%. I did not like to stay at all. Now, if this date happened and she got emotional, then I'd be like, you know what? You should get emotional because you like none of them. Right. But, but I will, let's back up though, because Tyler really stepped up.

I like him a lot. Stealing this illusion from one of the Bachelor Instagram accounts. Okay. But like, is he not somebody from a Disney Channel original movie. He looks like a little Disney star. He does, but I like him and I love that he is all in

for Rachel and it seems like he's ready. He would be over with the word segment when he like had to declare like love? But not even that. It was before that when he was and this might not have been to Rachel

but when he was telling everyone that he wanted to be with Rachel like Rachel was his chosen one not Gabby like oh yeah yeah that's nice I think he just he knows what he wants and I I think that's attractive so she chooses him for the one-on-one day he talks about a past relationship where he bought a house for them and the girl was like I can't be with you anymore and he says that the unconditional love that he felt then when they were together was the best feeling and he wants to give that to the right person yeah and it's just like

It was like all very sweet. And he did zoom to the top of the list for me. He did. As one of the more memorable guys for Rachel. And then they kiss and it seems like she's like into it. It does. They have a great connection and chemistry. So I really like them together.

And then Jesse and Logan are talking. And then this is when the whole Logan drama comes in. And I'm like, Logan. No. I'm sorry. but it's like you're not a frontrunner in either of these in either of these groups. Yeah, I don't think he is.

And it's just like messing with for no reason. Well, you know, they're trying to throw in drama. But they're trying to throw it in. You know that he mentioned it and the producer's like, okay, let's build that up. It's like, wait a second, you may have feelings for Gabby. And it's like, well, how do you feel when Gabby walks into a room? Right.

Yeah. Well, you've got to explore this. Let's put those little seeds. Yeah, 100%. I think that. that I don't think that Logan will last that long. I don't think he'll be the end guy. Yeah.

I do give him credit for being honest with himself. If he truly is feeling that he likes Gabby more than Rachel, I think that he should explore that and not give Rachel, you know, lead her leader on. leader on, exactly. So, I don't know. We'll see how that all transpires, but of course, that was going to happen. You knew this was going to happen.

It gave the audience to such major anxiety because here she is crying over these guys who aren't like pulling her aside during boxing. Right. And little does she know that one of the guys is considering going to the Gabby side? Exactly. I was like, come on, let's not add to the pile now.

And then, well, let's wait until the end. No, overall, though, I am more interested in Gabby's story. I mean, in Rachel's storyline than Gabby's storyline. Are you? Why? I don't know. I guess because the connections that I'm feeling between her and Tino and Zach and last week, I just feel it. I just feeling this more. And I don't feel like this grand connection with Gabby. I do say that Jason, I'm now interested in the Jason thing. 100%. I think that it fluctuates for me. Really. yeah like each episode it's different or even different parts of the episodes are different that's what keeps you interested and that's why I think the season is nice

because it's constantly interesting you're right and and that's why that's why they did what they did to get people talking yeah you know and that's okay because the show has been on for how long and we need to keep people interested right yep um so now Logan in the cocktail party he's thinking it's time to come forward with the honest truth and we're like oh god not now right Not now. Right. But I actually, he ends up accepting Rachel's Rose. And I know it's going to backfire for him.

But honestly, in the moment, I was like, thank you, dude. Yeah. Thank you because she couldn't handle it right now. Give her a break. You're right. Actually, I haven't thought about it like that. I thought, I mean, he's in a hard place because he does not have the opportunity or he did not have the opportunity to say anything because they canceled.

there was some drama, which we will get to. Sorry about going out of order. Yes. So I do think he didn't have the opportunity or it would have been a big, like, it would have blown up. Yeah. You know, and it would have taken time away from everybody, blah, blah, blah. But the fact that he's there for Gabby when he's in Rachel's pool is a little, it makes me feel a little licky. I know. And you know that now that she's down. to five she's like I could have given time to was that was my thought yes that was my thought is that why did you do that because then he could have stuck stuck around I know that that is but what we really need to think about and what I want the girls to have a reality check about is just like

you probably weren't going to take Logan or Jordan you know like those were your bottom too that's what I hope yeah that's what I hope is that but But wasn't going to be like her vinyl two. I know, right? But then Rachel even acknowledges this. She goes, even if I'm getting rejected by guys that I don't really see a future in, it's still getting rejected. And that always hurts. So, yeah, it's a big bruise to your ego.

So it's not. And it's sometimes, and I think I've said this on the podcast in the past couple weeks, sometimes it hurts even more. Yeah. To be rejected by somebody that you're not really into because you're like, not even you want me. Right. You're right. Uh-huh. I agree.

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Hayden, who already sucks, approaches Rachel with, like, the moment that he really thinks he's going to open up, and that is the fact that his dog has cancer. And now what I don't like about this whole scene is that it's, like, belittling the relationship that people have with their dogs and that their dogs aren't a part of the family. Like, it makes it seem like dogs shouldn't be regarded as part of the family. yeah it's and that like we shouldn't be like super sad for this guy that like his loyal companion has cancer like yeah i feel a lot for him and it's totally belittled here yeah like even when he leaves it's like yeah i'm ready to go see him again i want to find unconditional love like i mean i know

it's supposed to be silly yeah but like also let's no no no you know what i i totally our dogs are part of our family i yeah i would be heartbroken yeah if i were him so lots of love his way and I hope his dog is okay. Yeah. But, but. But, but at the same time, it is all ridiculous. He, you know, comes with the photo album of his dog and tells what he's going through. And it starts to get a little bit, hmm, when he says, just letting you know, like, my dog is sick at home and I'm here for you.

Yeah. That's when you're like, okay, well. You're not really. Because what did you just say about me? Yeah, it's starting to feel a little. And then he takes out the dog's radiation stuffy. Oh, yes. And that makes me feel really awkward because, like, my dog, also my dog had, I had one dog

that who had cancer and she had like her little thingsies and it's very sick. You just don't bring it on the date. And the fact that you put it in your suitcase. I know. It's the fact that you put it in the suitcase. he was like, I'm going to put this in my suitcase and show one of the bachelorets this and tell them the story. That is so cringy. So cringy. And what I was thinking also is, wait a second, you took the dog's toy away. That's kind of like a comfort to the dog. Stop it. I didn't even think of that.

Is supposedly going to be passing away soon and you took away a comfort for the dog. Oh my gosh. Stop. That's so, that's cruel. See, then he's not there. This is all a far. I mean, we know it's, we know it's all silly. Like, it's, it's silly and it's not silly. You know, I keep saying, I hate him and yet I understand dog sadness. We understand the sadness, but don't use that in a new religion. He's using, okay, thank you for saying that. That's exactly what it is.

He's using his dog sickness as like some poor pity me type situation. I felt that way. I, I, I feel sorry for the loss that he will be experiencing, but I don't think. it's appropriate to bring it in at this point in the relationship? No. I don't know. No, absolutely not. That was just my thought.

It's just like, he's like, hmm, I don't have a sad story about my family. Right. So I'm going to use my dog sickness as my pity story. Yeah. And then people are going to feel for me. Then she's going to feel for me. Anyway, and then we get interrupted by Tino, which I'm sure she's like, thank the Lord Almighty.

And, and now Brehating goes, I can't believe how rude it was that she, that she, that She accepted Tino when I was in the middle of such a conversation. Like if it were me, I would have been like, excuse me, I need a few minutes. Oh, my gosh. I'm sorry, but no, I did not think she was disrespectful. No, she wasn't. I didn't think so at all. I didn't think Tina was disrespectful in that situation.

I think he just said they probably were in there for a while. Tina was like, I want to talk to her and ask very nicely if he could interrupt. And then Rachel said, are you okay with that? Yeah. She didn't say, okay, well, we're done. here you know she said are you okay with that he could have said can we have a couple more minutes or something and then he held it against her later i know no it was not cool and then um meatball comes in and i'm liking meatball in this moment there's a different this is his role i know this is his role

everybody has a purpose guys so he comes in and he tells her exactly what he's been saying that we were mentioning earlier in the show and she's fired up she goes and pulls him aside and she's like you know what i'm going to talk to you about and i love this moment and she's like what am i going to talk to you about yeah and he's like rambo and then she's like are you kidding me right now and he's like i i would have thought that you're pulling me aside to continue the rambo conversation to apologize for yeah to apologize for taking my time away and then she repeats all the things that he said um and she says can i walk you out and then he gets walked out. Well, and he denied everything that he was like, what are you talking about? I never said

that. I'm like, play the tape. It's on tape. It's on tape, dude. Wow. You are like really don't know how to play this game. Like you think you're knowing how to play this game. You're really bad at it. You are on a television show. Everything, almost everything is recorded. So you don't think that that was recorded. I don't understand. I literally said to Ryan, you know, when I knew we were going to do this, I didn't know if this was the type of episode where you would bring someone from the show on. And I was like, I wonder if we're going to have to talk to Hayden. Oh, God, no. We're not there yet.

I would, I'd be really cold. I was like, I don't know if I can talk to him. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, I just. He's like just, bad vibes, guys. Bad, bad vibes. I, I am not okay with someone who says something really rude and disrespectful like that and doesn't own up to it.

No, he sounds like the kind of guy that, like, flirts with girls, thinks that he's, like, entitled to their affection. You're right. And then goes and talks shit about them behind their back. Exactly. Yes. He's gross.

Not a fan. Okay. Then we get basically to the row ceremony, which we've touched on already. Gabby gives her first roast to Nate. Nate really seems like the frontrunner right now. I love him. With her.

I love him. Rachel to Avin, really like Avin. He's another person. group that like we need to see more of because he's like okay there's there's there's tino then there's zach and then there's ivan for me tyler yeah i really like team i really like team rachel yeah um then gabby gives a rose to eric which uh we could talk about that but we don't have enough time right now yeah i think that i like eric i like eric but listen she's like remember last week she's like um if only i could be with a man like eric and i was like girl yeah are you

series? Yeah. How many times have I said girl in this podcast? I'm like, no, no, no. You, you should be like, Eric needs, you know, like, let's see if this guy deserves me. Not the other way around. Yes, I agree. Rachel gives a rose to meatball.

Love it. Love to see it. There's no love here, but, you know, he's fun to talk to. I agree, yeah. Gabby gives her rose to Johnny, which we've seen nothing from Johnny. nothing nothing he's been a mute you know what though is that indicative of the fact that he's going to last long yes um because i feel like in my during my season we didn't see ryan for a while either okay all right yeah i think that happens often usually one uh rachel gives her rose to zach

no surprise there gabby gives her rose to michael uh michael right yes he's kind of someone that i don't know that well yeah i don't know him rachel Rachel gives her rose to Ethan, who I also really don't know. Yep. He's the guy who crawled on the cringy date. Oh, okay. You remember that? Yeah. All then we go to the final roses. Gabby gives her rose to Mario.

Interesting how Mario was a first impression rose. Then somebody, the two of them showed interested. And now we're just not seeing anything from him. I know. And he got the last rose last week as well. Yeah. So on the cusp. Yeah. And then Rachel gives her last rose to the controversial Logan.

Logan says yes. And Rachel says, with intention, I'm so sorry. We didn't have time to speak. we'll be able to speak this week. Yes, I know. That's a little heartbreaking. That's a little heartbreaking. That was heartbreaking.

The guys that go home, Gabby sends Quincy and Kirk home and Rachel sends Jordan home. And next up, they are going to Belgium. Yes. All right. I think. Is it Belgium? Anyway. Any final things to say that you don't think we covered?

I think we covered all of it. I mean, I am always a fan. I watch every single season. I've watched every single episode of every single spin-off, blah, blah, blah. But this season, I don't know. I'm going to continue to watch. I just hope that because they have defined the groups now, that it won't be as messy. Well, we know it's going to be messy next week with Logan.

Well, true. You're right. So we've got to get past Logan. That's okay. That's okay. That was expected messiness. Okay. Do you know what I mean?

Some guy had to switch teams. Some guy had to. We wouldn't have a. Or some kind of confusion, you know, about who he wanted to be with. Do you foresee each of girl bringing home four guys? Because I don't. That's eight hometowns and I don't think they're going to do eight hometowns. No, especially because they're with five right now.

They're not going to get there. They're definitely not ready. No. I say that each girl brings their final two home. I bet you're right. Or they bring the family out to Europe or whatever. Well, and. Oh, so they, yeah, wait, wait, how are they going to do this?

Maybe both family. come at the same time, like the girls' family and the guys family, they're all going to have like a powwow. Do they stay on the cruise ship? I don't know. I think they stay on the cruise ship for like two weeks of filming time. So that's a little. Oh, but not the whole time.

Like they end up somewhere at the end. The finale's not going to be like where Jack and Rose do the thing. Now, holy shit, don't tease me with a good time. Because that would be my ultimate bachelor proposal. I was literally like, don't you want that? I would be extremely jealous. extremely. I'd be like, Jared, why didn't you do that? And then Leonardo DiCaprio shows up.

To hand out the final rose. Gabby, Rachel, this is your final rose. Amazing, amazing. All right, let's go through some quick Bachelor headlines. First up, Tyler Cameron sheds light on why he clashes with Matt James' girlfriend, Rachel Kerrano. Who knew this? I mean, nobody until now.

I know. So I don't know why he's addressing it. He's shedding light. I don't either. So watch what happens live. He was on Watch What Happens Live. Well, two of them have definitely been on Watch What Happens Live. Oh, yeah, look at that.

He says on, yeah, he said on Watch What Happens Live that there was a love, hate relationship, and now he's clarifying. Okay, what this means. He says, I think people think that Matt and I aren't friends because we're not in each other's everyday lives the way we used to be. Aw. That's true. but like, you know, you grow up

and you get in relationships. The two of them used to hang out as single bros. Exactly. He says, I think it's part of growing up and entering a relationship. So exactly what I said. And then he said, we all have those friends that you grow up,

they start dating somebody, they get married, they do your thing, and you see him when you see him. Yeah, it's called, again, growing up. Being an adult. Uh-huh. And then as far as the Rachel thing,

he says, where does he say that? He says, I definitely, I was going through my own shit. We just have our own ways of clashing. I don't like listening to people sometimes and she's strong and has a really good opinion. Whoa. I thought this was like a joke. Like, oh, yeah, we kind of. Oh, no. I don't think so. Um, but you know what? Sometimes you just don't have

like the greatest relationship with your friends, significant others. That sucks. It does for for everyone involved because then the friends can't hang out. And, I mean, hopefully they can be adults and be civil and hang out when they are all together as a group. And it doesn't affect Tyler and Matt's relationship that much. But I also don't want it to affect Matt and Rachel's relationship. Yeah, I don't think it'll affect Matt and Rachel's relationship. They've gone through it all. True.

They've survived it all. You're right. Let's just read this quote verbatim because it is quite juicy. I don't like listening to people sometimes, Tyler says. and she's strong and she has really good opinions on a lot of things and sometimes I don't want to hear it. He also says that

he knows that Rachel always means well and is a really good person who's a really good match for Matt. There's tension. There's definitely tension. I kind of want to know more. Let's see. Oh, Katie Thurston

joins Raya. I'm like, I don't even know how to pronounce that. I know Raya, Raya. It's the dating app. for like celebrities and influencers and like Hollywood creatives. She said, I can't even make a friend. She said, have you guys heard of the dating app Raya?

It's supposed to be like an elite dating app that you have to be like applied to get on and get approved. She goes, I was like, I'll apply now and then six months from now I'll start dating. Well, they approved me right away, right away wasn't ready to be approved. But that's fine. And then she goes, but then I'm. match with someone and we're talking and then I get unmatched. What does that mean? She goes just for friends.

What does that mean? That means she got, how do you got unmatched? Do they, does that mean they can like, Oh, no, no, no, no. That's funny. Okay. So she ended up deciding to use the app for finding friends instead. So even though she was talking to someone, she ended up being like, oh, hey, we match,

but guess what? I'm just here for friends. Oh, got it. Okay. But now she says that she's having a hard time finding friends on the app. yeah no don't you don't have to go Katie I think that you don't have to

there's no rush I don't think yeah no rush but also I feel like you have good friends I don't know if you have to go on a dating app for friends a right array of a difference I don't know and she's 31 I think there's there's no rush she's fine she's hopefully she's fine you know what I mean yeah hopefully she can make a friend in real life

and not just on Raya raya whatever it's called all right final headline rachel lindsay defends keeping brian's her marriage with brian private post-bachelorette so she's on instagram and she's always like people are always asking her where's brian and so she got on instagram and she said that like they're just trying to keep their relationship private dim the spotlight a little bit on that she said that she talks about when they're going to have babies or the timeline on that on her blog, honestly, Rache. But now she wants to talk about the question,

where's Brian gets it all the time? And she says, let me be frank. Brian is none of your business. I am joking. Well, half joking. However, she understands that there's a curiosity between the relationship, since it did start on reality TV. She goes, in reality television, in that world,

it's designed for your relationship to fail. we survived and we came out on top. So quite naturally, the audience wants to know what we're doing if we're okay and what's next for our future. They want the love story to still play out for their public perception. But our contractual public story ended on August 7th, 2017. At that point, we decided we wanted to control the future of our relationship. Up until that point, the confines of our relationship,

were determined for us. Now we're free and we jointly decided to pull away from the public eye to build a strong, solid foundation and we successfully did that. So it is interesting to me that people want to define the success and happiness of our relationship by the number of social media posts,

comments, likes, and stories that we post. I mean, I will say, Ryan and I from kind of the get-go were, we didn't have social media. Let's at least clarify that. Yeah. So there wasn't the pressure to post anything about your relationship. I know that this happened to, I feel like this happened to Caitlin a little bit ago where she was kind of defending why she hasn't posted anything with Jason lately or whenever it was. You know, it comes up and people, because people just want to know, people are curious, like she said. And she did say social media is not a reflection of reality. I agree with that. I don't post that much. You know, I do, but I do. but I don't

comparatively. I understand not having to like prove to everyone that you're happy. Agreed. Agreed. I feel like there's a little bit

of defensiveness in there. So I hope that they're not in a bad place. I think they're fine. I think Rachel just doesn't want like to I don't think she wants to be part of the franchise at all anymore. And I think that she's probably saying like

in my relationship was founded on the franchise. So therefore I don't even want to show off anything that happened from it because that makes sense yeah right all right well it is time for us to wrap Trista this is so much fun doing with you I love doing it with you so much

thank you for having me thank you for you know coming on here and doing our spinoff show which is almost famous OG's it's Trista and Bob Guinea and they talk about old seasons of the Bachelorette and they have OG guests that maybe you've forgotten about

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