The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Bengagement!

Episode Date: March 31, 2020

We get all the details on Ben’s engagement to Jess!! He tells us about all the adorable plans he made… and which ones didn’t quite pan out! You’ll never believe what Jess thought was happening when Ben started his speech!  What are their wedding plans?? Will they move in together?? Plus Bachelor hot topics! What’s the latest on Tyler and Hannah?? And are Connor S and Madi dating?? Ben and Ashley cover it all.And we congratulate a Bachelor OG on her big news! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Like, I've never seen two people more perfect, more in love, and ready for an engagement than you too. Yes. So this is the very first time, Ashley, I'll be speaking in detail. I spoke with E.T. and Lauren Zima because she's a good friend. But this podcast today is going to be. all about the details, similar to what I did with Lauren on our engagement. But Jessica and I are just ecstatic. And I'm glad that you think it wasn't a surprise and it wasn't shocking because it wasn't to me either. I've known this for a long time. It was just trying to get the timing

right. Yeah. And speaking of timing, you didn't exactly plan to propose during COVID-19. And you had a whole different plan. I was aware of it, but our audience wasn't, are you willing to talk about how you plan to do it and how you came to the decision to just do it during quarantine? Well, Ashley, I would only say this and talk about this with our almost famous family. So I am very willing to talk about it because you all have been there since the beginning, as I've talked about with Ashley many times. It's kind of crazy to think how this podcast has been a part of our ups and downs and stories and trials and tribulations for three over three years of our life so so here's the whole idea uh and i'll just start at the beginning uh in december i talked to

jessica's dad about mary and jessica and um it was a really really great conversation and the details you are so nervous i was so nervous but you you know what like he made me feel incredible And there's very few moments in life. I talk to Jared about this that are as nerve-wracking as sitting down with the father of a daughter and saying, hey, like, I want to ask her to marry me. That is a huge, huge conversation and one that nobody takes lightly, or at least you should not take lightly. So we have this conversation. So tell us all the details. I want to know everything you asked him, like your whole spiel.

Well, you know what? I think the one thing, Ashley, that I will keep private is our conversation. I think for the most part, the conversation existed like this. I asked for permission. He gave me permission. And then without going into the kind of the things that we spoke about, at that point, then it became his, his not expectations, but he allowed me the space to ask him any question. I allowed him to ask me any question and we discussed what it was that my like what what what kind of life that I wanted to help provide to his daughter and what our future would look like together and what my hopes and dreams were for our family and what my hopes and dreams were for Jessica um I think the one piece of advice that uh I will share because he has been incredible with kind of his his ability to lead me in this is he said hey once you guys get married make sure you

do some things for just yourselves like get get away explore um enjoy this world enjoy each other enjoy uh the beauty uh that god has gifted us and and and don't fall back into the comfort of hey maybe being because her full family's in Nashville uh so don't fall back to the comfort of just being around family all the time like go out and do your thing for a while before you come back to your family um which was a huge thing for a father to say and i i think his or her uh mom and dad and brothers have been incredible from the very beginning so here's how it went down though so i asked for his permission he gave me permission uh so then i started planning the engagement and if all of you uh kind of uh understand i've been

on tour or is expected to be on tour for the Bachelor I'm on stage for the last four months. And it was supposed to take me up until really the end of May. So I thought, well, I don't want to propose to Jessica on a stage, but I want to do it in a city that's beautiful, that's compelling,

that's romantic. And that's why I had chosen New York City. We were going to do it on that stop of the tour. I was going to propose to Jessica in New York City. With the whole family, right? With the whole family. So my parents are going to fly in her parents are going to fly in we were going to celebrate but here's the thing actually uh when

coronavirus hit uh it obviously changed plans drastically and quickly um and i don't know if i can explain this well but there was a timing factor to this all that i wanted to make sure we got done because jessica's lease uh is running out at the end of next month uh oh that's right she has to move she was moving back in with her parents uh i was advising her to do that because i said hey it's going to be the best thing for us and for you and there's no reason for you to get a long-term lease when we don't know what our future is going to hold the problem is and you can expect this is we had stopped all like intentional conversations about our future really back in December because i wanted her to be so shocked for this proposal and so any longer that we were going to

drag this on was just going to get harder and harder on this woman that I loved and who was confused and who I didn't want to be confused any longer. Okay. So that's kind of the timing here is when March 21st

changed, it was already getting long enough without us having those really good healthy conversations that every couple I believe should have. So all of a sudden I start audibling. Like, what are we going to do? How are we going to do this? Do I push it back for another couple of months so that we can make sure that we do this in a special

away? Do I just do it, you know, randomly at any given time? I have the ring. And I don't know if Jared said this to you, but once you have the ring in your possession, it's like impossible to not like want to propose. It just feels impossible. Jared had the ring in his possession for five minutes and he could barely hide it in his pocket from me. It's unbelievable. You get this ring and you're looking at it and you're so excited about it. I mean, I was looking at it. I mean, I was looking at it every day. It was in my bag that I brought clothes in. I was looking at all the time and I was like, I just don't, I want to make this special. So long story short, is that we came to Nashville to kind of self-isolate. We came to Nashville because her parents have a house that was big enough

to fit us and her siblings were already here because her brother plays professional baseball and he got sent home because of the MLB not being active right now. Her other brother and her brother's wife live here right now as they transitioned from Philadelphia to Nashville. And so Jessica and I were like, let's go to the house, hang out there. It's big enough for all of us and we can spend some time with your family and enjoy this. Well, her house also is in a beautiful area of Tennessee and there's a great pond behind there. And so her mother and I had talked and her father and I had talked.

We decided that instead of New York, since that had to be audible, it would be just as special, if not more special, to do it here at their house. Her brother, who's a great chef, was going to cook the dinner. And we would do it in the backyard. And we would surprise her with her favorite sunflower, her favorite flowers, sunflowers, at the pond that she grew up on. and I would take her on a walk, walk down to the pond, and propose to her there, and then we could all celebrate together that evening. So, question, when you guys did decide to go to Tennessee, did you have an inkling that that was when you were going to propose?

I did. I knew it. I had decided about a week before. And so the other important thing to me, Ashley, was one is I really wanted. one of my parents there. Yeah, so that's what I was going to ask, because I was wondering when I saw the pictures. I was like, I wonder whose family was there. Yeah, so there's a couple things, variables here that we had to take into consideration.

One is obviously my dad has some massive underlying health issues. He always has. We've talked about in the podcast before. My dad has had triple bypass and he's had massive heart complications and his lungs have been weakened due to cancer at a younger age. So, like, my dad is a healthy man, but he's also 62 and has had some underlying health issues. And him getting the flu or the virus of any kind is not, is not something that is desired, just like getting the virus of the flu for anybody's in desire. But for my dad, it does cause more complications than most.

So, but I wanted them there. And so I had to figure out a way that they could, if they were going to be there, they could get in a car, drive straight to Nashville. without getting out at any gas stations, any rest stops, and then driving back home without coming into any interaction with any other humans. In addition to that, I had to make sure that everybody in Jessica's house was healthy and safe, and so we made sure of that as well. And so my parents actually were able to make that happen.

Oh, amazing. They drove down. Oh, that's awesome. They drove down from Indiana to Nashville to be here for that. And so they hid in the woods right by the pond, and then her parents hid in the woods by the pond, and her brother's wife, hidden the woods by the pond. And so once I got down on one knee and proposed, then they came out. And we were all able to celebrate together in a healthy, very safe environment. And then my parents spent the night here at the house, so they didn't have to go to a hotel.

The clerks were nice enough to let them do that. So we celebrated all night. and then they woke up in the morning and drove back up to Indiana. But so here in short, and I know there's a thousand questions that you have, Ashley, kind of getting some details here. In short, it was, what I learned from all of this was, yes, I had this grand plan for New York City. We had the dancers from the tour who had planned a big dance for Jessica and I that were they going to pull off in the park.

My family was going to be there. Her family was going to be there. it was going to be outrageous and beautiful and super romantic but i sat around the table that night with my family there and her family there and laughter and drinks and food being had um and realize and recognize that even though it wasn't the grander the grand uh plan that it was so much better and so much more memorable and uh i could could not have pictured a better way to remember my engagement evening than just look around going, yes, this is a crazy time in this world.

And there's a lot of chaos and there's a lot of hurt and a lot of pain. But amongst that, love still shines. And I just felt that love that whole evening. That is so amazing. I'm so happy for you. That sounds like the perfect engagement night. I got a question. Who took those pictures?

Anybody take video? We had, we have no video. obviously it had to be and so we had to be very careful with who and how we interacted with people we we have been again as I say this because my dad at being such a high risk right now we are I'm overly cautious I guess and so we had a friend of mine no no no you're not overly you're good you're good yeah I'm trying to be I'm true we're trying I mean Jessica and I have not left our house in i don't know it feels like uh a year but it's probably been like 10 days i don't even know how long it's been but um the the the we had one photographer who is a friend of mine

uh who lives near here and uh her name's rachel peterson she has done all of the work for generous and h since the beginning oh awesome um because uh we wouldn't allow her to bring any extra people because of what's going on course she had to set up she did an amazing job and set up self timers and set up different cameras around the area I was proposing so that she could get different angles and different shots. So it looks like there was like 10 photographers. Really, there was only one. She had just gone out of her way to make sure she set up extra cameras to capture it. Okay, so did Jess see the picture, the camera set up? Was there a photographer in the background? Like, how did you hide that? Yeah. So you want, okay, now is a good time. Now should we go to

the story time where like I want you to build up the morning like from the moment you woke up yeah okay so you have this is genuinely going to take at least a half an hour guys I need you to I need all the details definitely okay so now everybody out there you get the the big picture of why it happened here and what the purpose was and who was here and what kind of players were involved and then why it was important for me to have this happen at that time so you get that side now Now let's go into the details of the day. So if anybody knows Jessica, they know she is one of the most, like, agreeable people in the healthiest of ways that you've ever met. Like, she just wants to be a part of anything that anybody else is doing, and she wants to do it with a smile on her face.

And so it's never been difficult for me to ask Jessica to do anything. Like, if I say, hey, Jessica, let's go for a walk. It would blow my mind if she would say no. Like, I know she would just be happy to be on a walk with whoever wants. to walk with her. That's who Jessica is. It always has been. And so what I imagined was the easiest part of my day, it ended up being the hardest, and here's why. And so I woke up that morning. I had not slept at all. I was tossing and turning. I woke up to her brother cooking, this meal, and he's just an incredible chef, and he's worked in some of the best restaurants

in the world. He worked Zahav in Philly, which is like a top five restaurant. restaurant in the United States for a while. And so he was cooking this incredible meal. Jessica's in the kitchen. And I say, hey, hon, this evening before dinner, I would love to go for a walk with you. And she goes, that would be awesome. And I thought, great. So in my head, I'm like, I'm going to take Jessica for a walk.

It's about a 50-yard walk down to the pond. And then once I get to the pond, I don't really care if she sees the cameras or the photographer. because at that point, she'll already know what's happening. Like, it's very obvious that with the sunflowers, that there's something special going on. Well, about three hours later, Jessica comes up to me and goes, hey, hon, it's going to get really hot today.

And my mom wants us all to dress up for dinner tonight and put makeup on so that we can have a nice special dinner because my brother is cooking it. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Okay, so that was all my list of questions. how did you get her in jeans and if she was wearing makeup she is stunning with her without makeup she does not need it but i know like as a girl you want to feel your very best going into your

proposal so i was like how did they make her like look non-quarantine exactly so what happened i mean her parents are fantastic and and i love them dearly and um so we're sitting at the table dinner table the night before and her mom who she told me she was going to do this she said hey guys I really, it's my birthday coming up, which it is. Her birthday is in two days. She goes, I really would just like it since Jim, Jessica's brother, has made this great dinner tomorrow night. If we all woke up and we did our thing and then tomorrow evening, we treated this like we were going out to eat. So we all put on makeup and we all showered and we all put on nicer clothes.

And we just came in here and had a good dinner. Well, her brothers knew what was happening that I was proposing. Her dad knew what was happening. Only Jessica did. And it's not hard to convince a girl to say, hey, tomorrow night is going to be a really special evening for our family. We're going to dress up and look good and take family pictures. Like, Jessica was so excited just about that.

So you don't think it was obvious to her? Oh, Ashley, just wait. Just wait. Okay, but wait. Were your parents here, your parents weren't there then? Were your parents like hiding in the bushes during the proposal? Yes. Okay, okay.

Continue. Sorry. So, so anyways, we go to bed that night, wake up at the morning. Jessica knows that that evening she's going to be getting dressed up. And so about three hours after I asked her to go on a walk with me, she comes up and she goes, hey, hon, I'm going to have to shower night, put on makeup, and get nicer clothes on. I would really love to go for a walk now and not later because it's going to be hot in Nashville.

And I don't want to get sweaty before dinner. And I said, oh, my gosh. And her mom was there when she said this to me. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. The easiest part of my day now becomes the hardest. And so here's the other side. know Jessica just wants me to be happy and so I thought in my head I was like how do I make this happen so I thought okay I'm gonna just let this go out and like let it kind of like let her say it

and agree to going on a walk now but then later when I want to go on a walk again I'm just going to tell her pretty much Jessica I would really like to go for a walk and I really want you to come and I know at that point she would just probably go just because she like she knows that if I like I never put my foot down and if I put my foot down I think she'd just probably say yes just because she'd be confused and like want to follow along um all right yeah she's definitely going to get an inkling at this point i feel like yeah well so i uh did the day goes on um i get to about an hour until uh the whole thing goes down my parents text me and say hey they just made it to nashville and that they're parked at the end of the cul-de-sac which is where i told them to

um and then uh her parents are in the house right now her brother gives the cue at that point to say hey mom i forgot some herbs that i need for dinner will you run to the store and get those and so her mom and dad then leave uh and act like they're going to the store which really they're just going down to meet my parents at the end of the cul-de-sac okay and i am at this point about 30 minutes uh from go time i text the group chat a few final details I go shower get changed myself I put the ring in my back pocket I walk out into the living room and I just I'm just throwing a Hail Mary and I said hey hon since your mom's not back from dinner yet let's just take a quick little walk so that everybody's happy today

and that I can get what I want and you got what you want and we can all do and she goes okay that works and so I get my shoes on I text a group and say hey we're walking at the door we walk out the door we start walking down the road uh i have the ring in my back pocket and i'm like trying at that point to think about what kind of small talk i'm going to make and i i get so awkward because this is like jessica's my best friend like i love this girl and for whatever reason i became like a middle school like boy talking to his school crush when i was like on this like 10 second walk i didn't even know what to say to her um i didn't know how to communicate anyone so we started this little walk and i'm i start to see the bench with the sunflowers and i'm i start to see the bench with the sunflowers

that we had set up for me to do this at. And so I start to progress into like what I want to say to Jess. And so I in my head just start talking and the very first words that come out of my mouth was there's a reason why I really wanted you to go on this walk today. And she goes, okay. And I start crying and I said,

this is a very special day for us. And so when I start crying, that's all I've said at this point. You know, please note this. Like at this point, all I've said is I wanted you go on a walk. This is a very special day for us. I start crying.

So she starts crying, but she doesn't know yet really why she's crying. She either realizes that this is a massive moment that either things are ending and like it's the shock of the world to her or that something really great's about to happen. But here's the cool part, Ashley, because she had no idea that we were going to be getting engaged and she never would have expected it to be being done during a isolation in Nashville because of how random that whole thing was. She didn't think she was getting proposed to. She actually thought that this virus and kind of the isolating that we were having to do was going to push back our proposal for months, which made her really sad, made me really sad that she thought

that. So I said this is a very special time for us. And then I just went into some of the things that I love about her, I said, Jessica, you are the kindest, you are the most loving, you are the most supportive person I've ever met. You have loved me well. You've loved me in crazy circumstances. You love me in really great circumstances. And at that point, we'd pretty much gotten to the bench that I wanted to do this in front of. And I just got down on one knee and I pulled out the ring. And she at that point still didn't know what was happening because her face was shocked. Like, I'm not kidding you. I have... No way.

Oh, yeah. I'll post a couple pictures of this. Her mouth is wide open. She doesn't even say yes when I ask her to marry me. She just shakes her head up and down and says, and that's it. And then I said, is that a yes? And she goes, yeah? Like, just complete shock and excitement.

And she starts crying and I'm crying and we kiss and we hug. And at this point, I said, and there's others that want to come celebrate with us. And that's when my parents walked around the corner and her parents walked around the corner. and her brothers and her sister-in-law and then they're also their dog Penny who's 13 who grew up with Jessica came around the corner as well and we all celebrated together and we were able to enjoy this and so it was quick but so special and if you can when I post some of these pictures later I wanted to do after the podcast so that you guys could all get a kind of a picture or an idea of what was going on at the time uh it was the most beautiful setting like i could not have pictured anything better that is so awesome this just happens to have a pond in the backyard right and one that like isn't disgusting and looking bad right now and also uh they happen to have like a bunch of sunflowers that we were able to set up because that's her favorite flower and so we set up this like

just a couple different pots of sunflowers um the picture makes it look like honestly i spent months months planning this but thanks to the help of her brothers my mom uh my dad her dad and her mom we made this uh i think we made it really nice that is so cool i'm so happy for you guys i can't believe she was shocked after the whole spiel like i remember during our proposal i was like he's doing it he's not doing he's doing it he's not doing it and it was just like there was no i just knew like there was a proposal you know like this is an engagement thing this is an engage in things. So what was she thinking it possibly was that you were crying about? Well, Ashley, here's a crazy part. She thought I started crying because she thought,

really two things she said. One, I was ending, like, it went through her that I, in her mind that I was ending this relationship, which was like, really? Well, just because you're human and I think there's been chaos and you jump to the worst case scenario. So the second thing that she thought it could be was this proposal. But again, I want to reiterate, right. Think about how confusing it was for me in all these changes. And then there's so many things that are unexpected and kind of chaotic right now that I don't think she thought that I would propose during so much chaos because of the planning that she knew I wanted to put in to making this very special. And so I don't, I think she just thought there's no way this is happening

because there's no way that he could have predicted that we've been in Nashville. He could have predicted that my family could have been here he could have predicted all these things like and she's right i couldn't but we spent a ton of time to make sure it was special with only a week's notice okay so makes sense she just was so surprised that you would do it then that it wasn't even like a possibility in her head gotcha and she loves so the one thing about jessica she comes from a big italian family she loves her family on her mom and dad's side so much and she especially is close with her mom's side of the family because they're a huge Italian family

and they all live in Connecticut so she kind of in her back of her head had thought oh he's gonna propose to me on the East Coast because then we're gonna be able to celebrate with my whole family when we're together for the tour so I think when I honestly think when the tour got postponed

her heart like dropped out of her chest because she thought I'm moving back home with my parents I have no clue of what I'm gonna get engaged I don't really know what my future looks like Ben hasn't talked to me about our future in months, and I don't know why. And if he's ending things or if he still is in love as he's always said, like, I was talking to her brother the night before I proposed to her.

And I was like, half of the thing that I really am excited about is this this girl that I love and that I want to make feel safe and comfortable has been so confused about our relationship for three months now. Like, I can't take that any longer. Yeah, because you guys would always talk about marriage and stuff. Like, this was something you were open about before December. Yeah, for the first, like, six months of our relationship. And then after that, we haven't talked about it since because I've been planning it.

Okay. Yeah, I guess that is very worrisome. So is the plan to live together to move in together? Because I know you were talking about, you know, parents' house, her apartment lease being up. We won't before we're married. That is a choice. Okay. Yeah.

that we've talked about and we've gone back and forth on it for a couple reasons we won't one is you know the i i think a lot of it is respect for my family and her family it's also as i talked about before like lessons learned uh from past relationships uh and also i think uh for jesska and i uh we have um abstained and tried to do this the best we can to make our relationship as healthy as possible and there is there are steps that we still want to take to do that and so that's why right now we will not be

living together before we're married but I think we'll be finding a house before then that we can both start to make our own very nice so what's the plan for where she's going to live is she going to extend her lease for another year is she going to live with her parents when are you planning to get married I mean I know

you're not like having wedding planner meetings right now you're obviously not planning the wedding right now but do you have a general idea of like the month or the season that you'd like to do it? Well, here's the funny part. Her brother does play professional baseball and he, everybody I've talked to in the Clark family has made sure that I know that we have to do this during the offseason. So there is a very select few months that baseball is not active.

And so because of that, we're going to be getting married in those months. And in addition to that- What are the off-season months? so right now we don't really know it's like November November through February oh yeah yeah it's so like right now is the question is like I don't know when baseball season is going to be coming back and I don't know the new calendar dates or the schedule and so I think the best option for the lack of stress

peace of mind is right now with all the chaos and all the confusion for everybody that we will probably not make any future wedding plans until this is done and over. And we have a clearer idea of when we even could get married and what dates would be available. Have you had friends that have had to cancel weddings? Yeah, yeah. Jessica and I both have had friends. We've had, it's really sad. Ash, we have this one friend who had this beautiful, huge wedding plan.

And they just had to say that it's canceled, but they don't get a deposit back. And so. No. Yeah, really sad. We've had, I mean, so here's a part, here's a note here within all of this. You know, Jess and I have been able to celebrate this engagement and do it in a way that means that we're just like hanging out in the house and laughing and looking at a ring together and talking about our future and all the things that we love about each other. And that's really sweet and nice. But it doesn't take away from the same conversations we had two weeks ago on this podcast that kind of revolved around a lot of pain. that is only getting worse as this virus continues to be active and spreading across the U.S.

And the pain from job loss and the pain from huge plans being changed, like weddings, like funerals not being able to be attended to, and people's legacies not being able to be celebrated. And so I think with all that being said and not to be a Debbie Downer because I am happy and I am celebrating and my life will forever be better because of what happened just two days ago, I also know that like for Jessica and I, it is smart for us to do this in wisdom as well and to know that the best time to plan is probably not during a pandemic. Yeah, I have it on my list of questions how you got, you may. Yeah, I have it right here on my list of questions, how you manage to get her out of jeans and out of like quarantine and tire.

We'll get the answer to that and much more right after this break. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boy. boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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The U.S. Open is here. And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history. The predictions will we see a first-time winner and the pressure. Billy Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus, the stories and events off the court and, of course, the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open. The U.S. Open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not.

Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about Icon Venus Williams' recent wildcard bids? Or the young Canadian, Victoria Mboko, making a name for herself. How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an IHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with deep blue sports and entertainment on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports.

I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop.

This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about thoroughly before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem. I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Ross. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kurt Browneuler.

And I am Scotty Landis, and we host Bananas. the Weird News Podcasts with wonderful guests like Whitney Cummings. And tackle the truly tough questions. Why is cool mom an insult, but mom is fine? No. I always say, Kurt's a fun dad. Fun dad and cool mom. That's cool for me.

We also dig into important life stuff. Like, why our last names would make the worst hyphen ever? My last name is Cummings. I have sympathy for nobody. Yeah, mine's brown-oller, but with an H. So it looks like brown holer. Okay, that's, okay, yours might be worse. We can never get married.

Yeah. Listen to this episode with Whitney Cummings and check out new episodes of bananas every Tuesday on the exactly right network. Listen to bananas on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ben, the ring is stunning. Did you get any feedback from her friends and family? as to what kind of rings she wanted. Yeah, so here's a few things that people might not know about me. I know nothing about rings.

I don't think that's a shock. I know nothing. And so when I started to plan the proposal, there were so many things that were unexpected to me. Not unexpected. Let me reiterate here. Shocking to me, right? It is not a secret that I have a history and a past. on the show and everybody knows how that played out for me but the idea of designing and picking out a

ring was something extra special something that i wanted to do to let jessica know just how important she is and uh at that time uh how important she was going to be to me when i proposed and so i started to customize make this ring and i asked her mom and my mom for input because here's other side of it. I believe that is important to allow the people closest to your life to be involved in some of your life's biggest moments. And it just makes them a little bit more special. And so I had started a text chain with her mom and my mom kind of going through some ring designs. Her mom had sent us Jessica's perfect ring, which is this big old diamond with two things on the side. I think it's called like a moon or something. I don't know that

were they with a Pinterest? I think it was from Instagram. I think it was from Instagram. Okay. Yeah, it was like a screenshot from Instagram. And so I went in, I brought this to the jeweler. I told him my budget. I said, hey, let's make this as beautiful as we can within the means that I can do this. And we started designing, he started mocking this up. It's a jeweler out of Denver called Not Jewelers, G-N-A-T. He's a good friend of mine. And so we work back and forth for a while. And then every time I'd have a mock-up that would be like a computerized picture of the ring, I'd send it to my group chat. my mom and her mom would give me feedback and then we'd go back to my buddy ross at uh not jewelers and he would kind of tweak it to how we wanted it uh at the end of it all um there was i'd say there's about four or five iterations of the ring uh the ring that jesska is wearing now is one that i like i love and i don't love rings like it's not like a thing that i get that into but i love this ring she loves this ring and it's a little different than the ring that was her ideal ring but i think it was just different enough to make it feel like her own and for that

i'm i'm super grateful it's so so pretty it looks so perfect on her finger she's just so feminine and beautiful she's the she is the cutest she is i mean i uh it's funny i wish i wish the world would know jessica better because jessica is just this like little bubbly funny goofy joyful light to this world and everything that she does is done with so much love and all she asks in return is that the world loves her back and when the world loves her back she shines and it's funny because like as she's driving her car now or if she is washing dishes or uh what was it yesterday she was like typing on her computer there's moments i look over and i see her and she's just like looking at her ring which is dangerous and distracting as well is just really beautiful because

I can just see the I don't know maybe the best word I can say for right now is like the comfort that that ring is providing to her knowing that she is loved that she is safe that her heart will never be broken ever again she's just pure you know she's just so sweet and pure she is she is just light I remember like early on in this podcast, we would describe like what kind of woman we were trying to find for Ben. And I don't even think I could describe somebody so perfect for you as Jess. Like there is just no question that she is the perfect person for you. She is, uh, yeah, you're right. And I mean, she's the perfect person for me because she makes me a better man, a better husband, or she will make me a better

husband, a better son, a better friend. Like, she wants me to be an extremely intentional friend to others. She wants me to be a loving, caring, supportive son to my parents. She wants to be for me to be a husband or at least right now a fiancee that is passionately exploring my interest and she wants to support me in that, but she also wants to push me to love her well. But you said it. I think maybe she is pure because she's worked hard to be pure and she's worked hard to stay um as a loving giggly light to those around her and she does it well maybe i didn't even think about describing a girl exactly like just because i had never met somebody exactly like jazz before her yeah so that's probably why she's the best and look what instagram did isn't

just absolutely unbelievable that you just um you know you DM'd her and she became your future wife and What's funny about that is if I like to think about fate and like all the chains of effect that like went into her responding to your message. And if you weren't The Bachelor, there's probably a good chance that she wouldn't have responded to your message or even seen it. Well, I mean, if you remember right, I mean, I can't remember the exact episode. But when Jessica and I announced our relationship, it was this podcast that I did kind of talked about it for the first time on. And it was right when we got back from Honduras and, you know, the story was that I DM'd her on Instagram. and she responded because of the blue check mark, not because, oh, she's looking for anything more than the blue check mark to her

meant, oh, this isn't like a, like, she just even looked at it because she's like, oh, this guy isn't just like super creepy. I could have been. And I, you know, and she sent it to her brother who then helped her respond to me initially because Jessica was so, like, thrown off by it. So, yes, social media has been really good to me. And for me, I mean, this, that little message, that little step of, step of, you know, risk has led me now to just be the happiest man, what I believe is alive. And I would tell anybody out there, if you're looking right now at this time of distancing and you're still wanting to date, no better time to throw a couple DMs some people's ways.

Do you know what I've been doing with NAS the past couple days? tell us about it so future um future so former bachelor producer nes perez who also happens to be my co-host on i don't get it and my best friend in real life she is 30 she's single she's never had a real boyfriend so i've made this sort of like love is blind meet bachelor esk digital dating show for her so i set her up on three blind dates 15 minute phone calls three consecutive days different guys um so she met three guys this week and she they're all really good they all seem like really awesome conversationalists nothing was awkward um they know what she looks like and she does not know what they look like and she will not know what they look like until she chooses one person to go on a date on in real life after quarantine is over so she's going to end up meeting probably nine guys throughout this process and each week at the

end of three date, she's going to pick her favorite guy. And then the favoriteed guys each week will go and compete in a finals round where she has additional phone calls with them, where they're all broadcasted. They're live streamed on my Instagram story. We're doing it pretty much consistently at 10 p.m. Eastern. So you get to watch Naz's 15 minute phone call with a stranger who my sister and I have vetted. And in the end, who knows what may happen. We're getting some good catch is in for her so if i want to watch this i just have to go on your instagram and like it's just your instagram your personal instagram and it will be on there that i can like even watch after the fact yes so it's on my instagram live you can like participate in the conversation at 10 eastern time

seven pacific and then um we're doing it friday through monday and then you can watch if you can't watch it live you can go to my my youtube jared and my youtube it's ashly i jared h and you can watch the episodes after they're done being live there oh that's awesome it's really fun i can i really want to watch that i know uh naz and she's great but um hey ash i know it's about time for us to move on away from the 30 minutes of my engagement but i i want to just as usual i feel more comfortable i think um kind of closing that little conversation we'll talk about it i'm sure many more times in the future. But I always like to just kind of give like a my own little monologue on like to anybody out there listening. I love your monologues. Go for it. Yeah. Well,

I mean it means a lot because I a couple months ago I shared on this podcast that even dating was hard for me because I had gotten really consumed with the idea of being single and kind of the the attention I could get from being single and how my career had kind of existed because I was single. And to announce my relationship with Jess was a big deal to me because I knew it was going to be taking a drastic change in my life. And, you know, for five years of my life, I've been known as a bachelor. And that is no longer the case. And for the whole time on this podcast, I've been known as a bachelor. And that is no longer who I am by definition. And I just want to take a second and say, one, I have met and am in love with the most beautiful person I have ever met.

I am so thankful for Jessica, and I'm so thankful that she loves my family, she loves me, she loves her family, she loves my friends, and she loves the things I do, including this podcast so well. A little side note before I continue is for my birthday. which was a week ago my gift from jessica was a new podcasting set so i could bring better quality podcast uh equipment to uh each of you every week she did that because she just knows how much this podcast means to me um so she that was her birthday gift to me and so i'm just saying that to say hey she she supports me well and she supports this podcast well and the things that i'm doing so well So first off, thank you to Jessica. The second thing is thank you to the almost famous family.

People have been incredibly supportive, insanely kind. Not that you wouldn't be. You would be a terrible human to not support this. I would be super confused if somebody was not in favor of what's happening between Jess and I. But just your words of encouragement to Jessica and myself, including from you, Ashley, and the rest of Bachelor Nation and all of you almost famous listeners and from iHeart thank you uh it is a wild world i've said it once before and i'll close with this uh all i've could ever prayed for and asked for in my life was to feel supported to feel like i was a part of a community

to feel like i was involved to feel like i was accepted in to feel like i had a seat at the table amongst others and uh big moments like this in my life and i hope the same for you listeners out there Big moments have made me feel those things and more, and a lot of it is because of who you guys are and how, and what you're, the words you say and what they, how they resonate with me. So thank you for listening along. Thank you for giving me credibility after speaking on a podcast to you now for three years. And thank you for celebrating us. Uh, it means the world to Jessica and I. Um, so just simply thank you on behalf of us for celebrating our love.

We love you, Ben. All right. After this, we're going to talk bachelor hot topics. For now, here's a word from our sponsor. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psycho babble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom. And listen now.

The U.S. Open is here, and on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history, the predictions, well, we see a first time winner, and the pressure. Billy Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus, the stories and events off the court, and of course the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open. The U.S. Open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about Icon Venus Williams' recent wildcard bids or the young Canadian, Victoria Mboko, making a name for herself? How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form?

To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an Iheart women's sports production in partnership with deep blue sports and entertainment on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of I Heart Women's Sports. I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business,

and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thurley before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Raw. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kurt Browneuler.

And I am Scotty Landis, and we host Bananas, the weird news podcast with wonderful guests like Whitney Cummings. And tackle the truly tough questions. Why is cool mom an insult, but mom is fine? No. I always say, Kurt's a fun dad. Fun dad and cool mom. That's cool for me. We also dig into important life stuff, like why our last names would make the worst hyphen ever.

My last name is Cummings. I have sympathy for nobody. Yeah, mine's brown-olar, but with an H, so it looks like brown-holer. Okay, that's, okay, yours might be worse. We can never get married. Yeah. Listen to this episode with Whitney Cummings and check out new episodes of bananas every Tuesday on the exactly right network. Listen to bananas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

famous listeners, welcome back. We just got done talking about my engagement and that was special for me. But it is time to get back to our regular scheduled programming and talk about some Bachelor trending topics. And once again, Bachelor Nation, you have not disappointed us. You continue to throw topics our way. Oh my goodness. Yes. And even during self-isolation. So I'm to start with this one, Ashley. Tell us what you know about it. On a press conference this last week, President Trump compared his news conferences, his updates on the COVID-19 virus with the bachelor finale. I can share some thoughts, too, because I know politics and I have had some close relationships. But I want to hear what you thought when you heard that the president of

United States during a pandemic compared his news conferences to the bachelor finale. I mean, it's pretty weird. Can I keep it at that? I mean, it's pretty bizarre that he's thinking about his ratings. It's, well, it's bizarre for so many reasons. One, I think Chris Harrison said it best, what a time we live in where I can be watching these news conferences and all of a sudden the show that I still talk about that I am hosting a live tour of that I'm very actively involved in that I participated in as long as well as you is then being brought out of the mouth of the president I remember when President Obama uh brought up the bachelor during um I think it was some breakfast like uh the state breakfast or something and uh the clip came out and I was just like

in awe that the president of the United States was bringing up the bachelor well it's happening again Either way, it's kind of, it's kind of, I don't know, never mind, pass. It's just wild. I mean, it just is wild, Ashley. I get what you're saying. But here's the truth of it all. Besides, because there's going to be people out there that support the idea that we're talking about ratings, there's going to be people out there that don't support it. It's politics.

It will always be controversial at some level. But here's the truth of it, no matter what side you fall on. the Bachelor once again finds itself in a place of getting another massive win because during a pandemic it's still being talked about 100% isn't that insane that that's how culturally impactful our show is well their show the show that we have appeared on yeah and and rode the coat tails of now for yes yes um next topic is bachelor peter weber hangs out with ex kelly Flanagan after split from Madison Pruitt. Ashley, I know you're

fired up about this. I know that you have a lot to say. I'm taking it over to you. I can't get over it. I think this was, this came out two or three days after our last podcast. And of course, the first thing I do, I see it. I screenshot the TMZ article. I send it to our podcast group

with Ben and the producers. And it's just like, this season is never going to stop. But thank you, Peter, and thank you to his girls that allow us to have some fresh, juicy content to talk about every single week. I was honestly flabbergasted. I was like,

there's no way. That must be like a gal pal, a cousin, I don't know. Somebody he has a fun relationship with. He threw over his shoulder. I was like, can we really make out Kelly's face? And then I was like Chicago. I was like, holy Chicago.

That's where Kelly's from. And then there were a couple other pictures just kind of confirms that this was Kelly that Peter was hanging out with um you know my husband just really really not keen on the fact that they were in such a public location seems like a lot of people were thinking oh let's go take a walk in Chicago um by the water because there's this one photograph where they're like where there's so many people walking it looks like like a charity walk it there's a ton of people out there but

I mean, that's not, you know, I don't know that that was, I don't think that was intentional. They probably thought like, oh, let's take a walk and then there just happened to be a ton of people there. So it wasn't exactly great for social distancing, but that's what, that's, that's another issue to discuss it in a smaller time. So this is the wild part, though, Ashley, is two comments here. One is Hannah Ann has then came out and talked about this and how she's not shocked. And then the other part of this whole story, so other, I guess what we're saying is other contestants from Peter's season are now weighing in, including the woman Hannah Ann that he ended up with at the end,

who we kind of, in my eyes, like kind of forgotten that he actually ended up with somebody because it was such a weird, quick transition. Well, it was because they were trying to make it seem like he ended up with Madison, but apparently he absolutely did not end up with Madison. If two weeks ago on that show, which holy moly, wait, it was two weeks ago, No, no, no. Okay, so it was three weeks ago that the finale happened. Three weeks ago, he was, you know, sitting next to Madison. And then you fast forward two and a half weeks and he's in Chicago picking up Kelly. Don't you think that they were talking during that finale? Like, do you think that this like really ramped up that fast? Then two and a half weeks he decided to, in what was supposed to be quarantine, he goes and flies over to Chicago to spend time with another girl. girl, a girl that was sitting in the audience of his after the final rose, which is now super bizarre. And I don't, I thought it was them saying, sorry Kelly for not inviting you to

Women Tell All. But now was it supposed to be some sort of foreshadowing of what was to come? Oh, I've never. Let's pause there, Ashley. That is an incredible thought. is because she wasn't at women's till all and that became a big deal and the rumor was spinning around that you know producers didn't like Kelly that they didn't want her involved and then she gets invited to Final Rose

which made us all go oh they'd like her they wanted her involved but they had a different plan for her do you think she was there because they knew this was happening and they thought maybe it would it could and I don't know this is all just like us kind of spitballing

but what if Barb by talking as much as she did kind of took away from the their plans which was to present Kelly as somebody that that Peter was still kind of talking to I guess that could be it it seemed like the show wanted it to be Madison though because one Chris Harrison went to Alabama to be like so uh Peter's single so it was like it seems like Peter didn't have his in any of it. Like, maybe he didn't want to go back to Madison. Maybe that was never his intention, but the show was like, we're going to make him go back to Madison. Or, like, they assumed that he would have wanted Madison if he didn't want Hannah Ann, but apparently he wanted Kelly.

Well, and Peter was so, I don't know, though, he was very defensive of Madison during the finale, especially to his mom. Yeah, you're right. Was it, am I remembering this right, and we can move on after this, but am I remembering this right where there was a rumor that bar? Peter's mom had came up to Kelly after the finale and spoken some words into her ear like, hey, you were always my favorite or, hey, I've always loved you, or hey, we should go out shopping sometime. Like, wasn't that a rumor going around? It wasn't a rumor.

We all got to see it. So it was the three weeks ago today that Barb wrote that under her Instagram. One of them wrote under each other's Instagrams saying, like, I'd love to get lunch and shop soon. So they were obviously talking back then. Oh my gosh. Because Kelly was the only one Peter and Peter's family was following on Instagram come the finale. So there was something.

They were at least DMing. This is so weird. Team, almost famous listeners. All of you little sleuthers out there. We need some info. Email us at Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com or hashtag us at the Almost Famous podcast on Twitter. What do you know about this? This is wild. Here's the funny part before we move on to the next topic. Is Peter's season for the most part we thought, uh, that we're not really

involved. We don't really get it. The character development isn't awesome and we don't see any relationships being formed. It has been the finale and anything happening since the finale that's made us talk about Peter's season more than we ever talked about it during the season in general. Like Peter and his girls are still actively involved in this world, and we are still talking about him. And who we're definitely talking about often right now is Tyler Cameron. Oh, wait. I'm sorry.

I have to say one more thing. How weird is it that Kelly was the one he knew before the show, and now he's just back with her? And it's like, do they even need the show? Mm. Of course they need to show, Ashley, because now we're involved. Oh, and he was saying three weeks ago that he loved. he was like mom this is the woman I love and now through not even three weeks later he's

got another girl on his shoulder freaking weird guys uh hey okay but yeah yeah Tyler yeah Tyler Cameron plays coy when asked if he's dating Hannah Brown do you think any of this is weird what is are they still together I mean they've been together since the beginning of this uh isolation period and they're in Tyler it seems like like hometown, they haven't, I don't know if they've separated or not, but according to what it sounds like, like they're very much hanging out. Do you guys think that when she went to fly down to quarantine with him, she thought it was going to be possibly until April 30th at the least? Oh my gosh. Like I said last week, yo, they're given their relationship a chance in a way that

they will come out of this knowing whether they can pretty much be together forever. or whether or not they will never work. Like, you're going to know. You're going to have an answer. So possibly it's a great time. But as far as this tease that Tyler is giving us, he calls one of his friends Brown Bear. And so he jokes that me and Brown Bear are dating.

Yes, I can confirm while he smiles and nods. And I don't think that's a confirmation whatsoever. I think that's Tyler playing along and being like, yeah, this is my fan. We're dating. I'm already so funny. But really, I think that Hannah and Tyler are certainly hooking up during this quarantine. I would say that they are committed in quarantine.

There are six people in that house, and I can't imagine they're hooking up with anyone else. So that's my thought. Ashley, I feel like I just made a comment a few weeks ago that I felt like we were talking about Tyler dating somebody else. And again, we preface this saying he's a single man. So there is no shame or judgment. But I feel like just a few weeks ago, I was talking about him dating like some other like celebrity or like. Yeah, it was Kylie's best friend.

So that's not the thing anymore. Now we're on to Hannah Brown. So so far I've had to in the last year of my life dissect three different relationships of Tyler Cameron's. At some point, at some point I will not be talking about who Tyler Cameron is dating. Instead, we'll be talking about Madison Pruitt, who denied dating Connor Saley, who was The Bachelor for the Bachelor of Live on stage in Los Angeles. He picked a terrific girl. I thought maybe they were going to date.

That obviously didn't work out. And instead, there was a rumor flying that him and Madison were dating. But she's saying that's not true. Do you think it was ever something that was happening? She's saying I'm just focusing on myself. She says that whatever exchange that she and Connor have had has been platonic. My guess is that it's just been over the phone, DM, text, maybe a phone call here or there. I don't know that they've seen each other in real life.

I think she probably thinks he's cute, probably has a way to easily contact him. Obviously, like, if you're in the Bachelor family, you can basically call up any person you think is cute very easily. I don't think that they are in any way dating, but they're probably pre-Batchelor Paradise talking. It's interesting. I mean, it makes sense. It's a good-looking couple. They, no harm, just like there's no harm in Tyler and Hannah being back together, if they are. But a little bit shocking.

It wouldn't have been the two people I would put together. But, you guys, so far, all we know is that Madison is denying dating Connor. A few final topics here that we got to throw out there. One is Luke Parker's birthday message for Madison Pruitt. The headline is, is raising eyebrows. for among Bachelor fans. So once again, Luke Parker is raising eyebrows with confusion to Bachelor fans.

Obviously, there are two people that are saving themselves until marriage to have sex. And people are like, you be a great couple. And then some people are like, don't even think about it, Luke. You know, Luke is horrible, horrible, totally different person. It's basically, this is just fodder underneath an Instagram picture.

and people are freaking out that he said like happy birthday girl it's like okay guys we don't have to freak out over anything that doesn't mean anything i'm sure luke was a fan of madison during the season but i don't think this means that he's trying to get with her or vice versa no i'd agree i would agree hey just a quick note uh ashley and i obviously are doing this uh from our home so if you hear some dogs dogs barking or cars pulling up or some oh is the doggy yeah that's yeah yeah it's it's just our homes this is very similar i saw it today uh that kelly and ryan are doing their television show from home good morning america is doing from home we're all making the most of this uh we're doing this from our home so if you hear some background noise or some life noises going on that's why uh actually final topic um that i want to discuss and and it's one that we're going to kind of uh it's a tough topic and i wanted to save it to the end because it's one And a lot of these, you know, make us laugh and they make us intrigued and they keep us going. But this topic is one that sits heavy on my heart since I've heard about it.

The Bachelor's Michelle Money reveals daughter that's 15 years old is in ICU on life support. After a skateboarding accident, she's hit her head, is experiencing brain trauma and is currently, last update we heard, is a medically induced coma to relieve the pressure from her. brain yeah um i woke up and this is the first thing i saw and you know just hand on my heart jaw dropped i'm i just feel absolutely horrible just pray pray pray for them please um send all your love and positive vibes their way i just i love michel she's such a wonderful mom and the relationship she's had with briel was so obvious on the show like they were just best friends they're like the Gilmore girls. You know, they are the Gilmar girls. And I really hope that Real can pull out

of this fast, just thinking of them all day, all week, until we hear good news. Yeah. So Bachelor Nation, if you can, or almost famous fans, if you can, do us a favor. Do Michelle Money a favor. Reach out and show her some love and support right now. The kind messages that you sent me after my engagement should be being sent over with the same type of heart that you guys shared with me and the loving support of heart that you shared with me go ahead and do that for michelle money go ahead and send her a message of some kind i know uh from personal experience that your words do matter so go over love on her we will be uh praying we will be hoping we will be wishing we will be following along with that story it is a tough one but here is the takeaway and uh michelle money has

came out and said it what she wants people to know right now is to wear a helmet no matter if you feel uh like this is something you're super good at if you feel like this is just a quick little trip on a bike or a skateboard or whatever wear a helmet um because hey you're you all are very precious and we need you safe and we need you secure uh actually let's take a break when we come back we're going to read some reader emails call one of our almost famous fans and we're going to close out this podcast with a nice little segment about what things you're doing, Ashley, in this last week to keep yourself occupied during self-isolation. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, friend really cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD, ADHD... Oh, my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness.

Psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. The U.S. Open is here. And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars

to legends chasing history, the predictions, well, we see a first time winner, and the pressure. Billy Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus, the stories and events off the court, and of course the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open. The U.S.S. Open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event.

I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about Icon Venus Williams' recent wildcard bids or the young Canadian, Victoria Mboko, making a name for herself? How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, and I heart women. in sports production in partnership with deep blue sports and entertainment on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports.

I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thurley before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was

to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Raw. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music. and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, I'm Kurt Brown-Oller. And I am Scotty Landis, and we host Bananas, the Weird News Podcasts with wonderful guests like Whitney Cummings. And tackle the truly tough questions. Why is cool mom an insult, but mom is fine?

No. I always say, Kurt,'s a fun dad. Fun dad and cool mom. That's cool for me. We also dig into important life stuff, Like, why our last names would make the worst hyphen ever? My last name is Cummings. I have sympathy for nobody.

Yeah, mine's brown-olar, but with an H. So it looks like brown-holer. Okay, that's, okay, yours might be worse. We can never get married. Yeah. Listen to this episode with Whitney Cummings and check out new episodes of bananas every Tuesday on the exactly right network. Listen to bananas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, we're back taking reader emails. We have one right here that we want to read. And then we want to call this fan of ours because she's a part of the almost famous family. And she sent us a very, very vulnerable email. And I'm going to read it here. It's titled Feeling Alone, and it's from Anna. She says, I have been alone during this quarantine. And I just wanted to thank you both for reminding your listeners to reach out for help if you need it.

I was in a great place before this happened, and I suppose I still am. I have a great new accounting job, a house, and two sibling kittens, which I am so grateful for. I'm able to work from home and still get paid, but I don't know my job well enough to feel productive. This makes me feel guilty, but I am trying. It doesn't help my depression being at home. I thought I had it under control, but losing my routine has hurt. I miss my elderly parents. I do shower, et cetera, every more.

morning, but not talking to people in person has set me back. Please keep up your great work and maybe take calls from people alone like myself. Ashley. Let's do it. Anna! Hey! Hey, this is Ashley Ikenetti. I know.

Hey, I ask you. It's so good to hear from you. Ben is also on the phone. Hey, Anna, how you doing? I'm good. How are you all? well we're doing well we're both here in separate places just like we know you are we just read your email to everybody out there listening you know here's one thing i want to start this conversation with you off about anna is thank you for sending

the email thank you for being vulnerable i think what you expressed is how a lot of people are feeling right now uh to start how are you doing uh personally and then also in the same breath is there anything you've learned after writing this email that would help others out there listening? You know, I would be lying if I said I was doing okay. You know, it was doing great before all this started, but, excuse me, before that, you know, in October I had lost my job, and then I lost my cat, and so I went to stay with my parents for a couple months and then I got a great new job fabulous job never made more money still getting paid so I'm very fortunate for that but you know three weeks into my job I am

now at home and by myself and hesitant to visit my parents so you know because I'm afraid to expose them to anything if I've been exposed. So it's just depressing. I'm trying to work, but I don't know my job very well, and it's just hard, you know. So what I've learned is it's important to communicate over the phone with people or email and that kind of thing. That kind of says it all, I guess. The, Anna, one thing that Ashley and I were just speaking about a little bit ago was how much this has changed a lot of our lives. And Ashley, I was just about to ask you, but what are it like three things, Ashley, that you've been doing during this self-isolation that's helped you stay connected and feel less alone?

well I feel like Jared and I keep talking about the walks that we've been taking we've just been taking the dogs on long walks and it's kind of therapeutic and I like feeling you know my blood circulate feels good to move a little bit and I've been cooking a little bit I made the most amazing macaroni and cheese the other day it was cracker barrel macaroni and cheese guys you got to get that box it's better than any other other one out there and then I mixed it with broccoli which was just covered in garlic and breadcrumbs you should just try it's super easy and then i watched a great movie do you oh yes i put that on my story yeah um and then i watched a great movie last night that i haven't seen in like i don't know over 10 years for sure over 10 years spanglish you know with with adam sandler it's so good so i recommend that to anyone who hasn't watched it or hasn't watched it for a while you know there's a few takeaways the exercise the trying new things the slowing down a bit but Anna I want to throw it back to you for a bit because as you said you have felt depressed and you felt alone during this time have you found any ways to find community within this kind of isolated a forced isolating experience

I have walked quite a bit on my lunch break because I am still trying to work at home so I'm kind of stuck to my computer but so I have walked and I've met a few neighbors you know I've lived in my house for five years now I bought a house five years ago so I have met new neighbors that I haven't met before so that's been great Other than that, you know, like, I'm afraid to go anywhere, to be honest with you. I can't believe y'all are talking to me right now. Oh, you're so sweet. Well, you shouldn't go anywhere else.

Let's brainstorm some things. What would make you happy that you can do from home? Do what? What do you think that there is something that you could do from home that you haven't been able to do? Like, is there any, like, kind of material that you need? Do you need any, like, you need cookie dough? Is there a game? Do you need coffee?

Do you need coffee? Yeah. Like is there a game we can send you? I don't know. I want to make you happy. You know, I am blessed in so many ways. I don't want to make it seem like I'm just that. Well, I am kind of depressed right now, but I am blessed.

Like I have a paycheck coming in. I have my parents. um i have great co-workers i just still feel so alone well um you know the the the thing is anna is uh what you're what we're hearing from you right now and i just said it and i mean it is uh your uh your voice is mattering to so many that are listening to this because they're hearing you and they're hearing what you're saying and they're going, I'm right there with you. This is the thing that gets overlooked during the COVID-19 pandemic is that there are, you know, as you just mentioned, Anna, that you are blessed. You still are getting paid, yet you still feel alone. And there's people out there that

have lost their jobs that have lost all sense of purpose and we're all going at some level what is happening right i i your voice and your emotion is is connecting to people right now who are listening going i'm right there with you um but here's the hardest truth of it all is there's not an easy answer it's not like right now we can snap our fingers and say let's get back together. We don't even know that it's going to end. We don't know when it's going to end. And I wonder this.

I wonder this. Has this feeling, and tell me if I'm completely off base here, but has this feeling of isolation and feeling depressed and being depressed and feeling alone, when you finally get the word from whoever it's going to be that says, go back out into this world. What are the things that you're going to be most grateful for? Hugs. Aw. Conversation.

Congratulations, by the way. Thank you, Anna. See, Anna. In the midst of tears, in the midst of how so many of us are feeling, you have it in your heart to say congratulations. And for that, I thank you. um how about this uh where i'm going to send you some coffee from generous coffee i'm going to load you up with some coffee yeah we're going to get we're going to send some treats over to your house for sure but gifts won't fix the disconnect and so when we get back into this world uh i want to hear

from you please write us another email uh and just tell us uh how it feels to get a hug again and then do me one favor uh when if when and if you ever get to meet a Ashley and I, I would like a big hug. Me too, please. It would make us feel very nice. Absolutely. Anna, thank you.

I don't know how much this means to me. Like, I can't believe y'all just called. Well, will you do us this favor too? Is Ashley and I, we love getting listens on this podcast. And so I'm going to be looking for that one extra listen from you to listen to this interview back. And then also we're going to have.

have a lot of you out there who listen to this interview. So please email us at Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. Hashtag us at the Almost Famous Podcast on Twitter. Let us know how you're feeling. Let us know if you need help. Let us know if you are hurting. Here's the truth at all. This podcast is fun.

It's enjoyable. It's entertaining. But all of us are hurting in our own ways. And we don't want to do this alone either. So, Anna, thank you for coming on the podcast. Thank you for being vulnerable. Thank you for being honest. uh we will we appreciate you we will be sending you coffee but just thanks for listening thank you so

much anna my heart goes out to you right now i'm giving you a virtual hug you seem so soulful i just big hug all right sending all our love bye all right bye see yeah my boyfriends professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not?

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love. of crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect.

And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free I-HeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. The U.S. Open is here. And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history.

The predictions will we see a first time? winner and the pressure. Billy Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus, the stories and events off the court and, of course, the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open. The U.S. Open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about icon Venus Williams' recent wildcard bids, or the young Canadian, Victoria Mboko, making a name for herself. How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good

Good Game with Sarah Spain, an Iheart women's sports production in partnership with deep blue sports and entertainment on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of I heart women's sports. I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about thoroughly

before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Ross. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kurt Brown-Oller. And I am Scotty Landis, and we host Bananas, the Weird News Podcasts with wonderful guests like Whitney Cummings.

the truly tough questions. Why is cool mom an insult, but mom is fine? No. I always say, Kurt's a fun dad. Fun dad and cool mom. That's cool for me. We also dig into important life stuff. Like, why our last names would make the worst hyphen ever?

My last name is Cummings. I have sympathy for nobody. Yeah, mine's brown-oller, but with an H, so it looks like brown-holler. Okay, that's, okay, yours might be worse. We can never get married. Yeah. Listen to this episode with Whitney Cummings and check out new episodes of bananas every Tuesday on the exactly right network. Listen to bananas on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

From one story there with Anna who I do think speaks for all of us. I think she speaks for every person that's listening and participating no matter. what level of privilege you come from or what level of confusion you're at or what you know tangible disconnect you have the Anna's sentiment and her heart is telling the story of what a lot of Americans are feeling right now and so again I just want to reiterate if you're hurting if there's pain if there's disconnect in your life please email us and reach out to others for help people want to help people want to love you well from a story of Anna who speaks on behalf of all of us and how we're feeling right now to another story of

celebration. We have one of my favorite people in the world, Tinley, on the line to help explain to us some big news that she's recently announced to the world. Hello, friends. Oh, my goodness. Hi, Tinley. We talked to you like three or four weeks ago, and now you're back to tell us that you're pregnant. Yes, I am. And oh my gosh, Ashley, you were like, anything, what's new or how's life? And when you were talking to me and I was almost about to say something and I'm all, no, like I had an awkward pause. So that was the secret I was holding back. But first of all, congratulations to Ben. Oh, geez. Tindley, I knew you would, I knew you would somehow divert this conversation to congratulating me in the midst of like

one of the coolest biggest announcements of your life. You've been, wanted to be a mother for a while and you're going to be a great mother. What was the feeling like when you heard that you are pregnant. We were honestly shocked because it wasn't necessarily something we were working towards quite yet. So the shock was, it was exciting. It was like, oh, kind of, it took us a minute. We sat down, we found out together, and we kind of sat down and looked at each other and had just embraced this new exciting journey that we were going to, it's something we wanted, but we were just like, whoa, okay now, let's do this. I feel like I've been waiting.

I feel like I've been looking at all your Instagrams for the past like six months being like, once a baby announcement. I wonder if it's the baby announcement's going to come. Is this a baby announcement? Because you're just so motherly and I know that it was something that you've always wanted. Yeah. Thank you. I have been overwhelmed by everybody.

Everybody's excitement for us and they're encouraging words and support being like, been waiting for this like you just said um because that just i don't know i feel like it's very encouraging to myself aunt taylor too just knowing that people believe in us for this role and that um so it's it's really exciting thank you oh you are going to be the most fantastic mother how is your pregnancy going so far uh do you mind telling us how far long you are yeah no i um i'm almost 16 weeks. I'm at the end of 15 weeks. And it's interesting in quarantine life. I mean, it kind of works well for how I'm feeling because I'm going to be honest, the pregnancy, growing a human is definitely a badge of honor and a beautiful thing, but it is hard. So it started out.

I felt pretty good. I feel I feel really grateful I never got too sick, but fatigue and nauseousness was real for the first trimester, kind of hit me a couple different times. We actually found out just a few days before we were on our way to Europe. And so in Europe, I, like, had a couple of days, but I did not feel good, but for the most part, felt pretty good.

And then now I actually am experiencing some body pains. Your body just starts to move and shift on you and from some old dance accidents and stuff I'm actually dealing with some extreme pains, which aren't allowing me to do some of my normal exercises. So that's a little bit hard, but it's a great sacrifice, of course. So I can't, like, run or walk. And if you know, you know that I love to be moving at all time.

So it's just been an adjustment, but it's totally worth it. And I'm doing all that I can to make sure that I'm keeping this baby healthy, keeping myself healthy and quarantine life is definitely an addition to all the blues and the moods and all that. Yeah. It's crazy, Tinley, that, yeah, so, I mean, just, I think you just said it, but I think I missed it. How far long are you? So I'm going on 16 weeks.

Yeah, so for 16 weeks. And now, you know, typically from what I know about pregnancy, which is very little. So if I say something and it's incredibly offensive and every single woman out there just freaks out on me. I get it. I probably deserve it. But isn't a thing like within the like second and third tremendous, like wouldn't you want to kind of be like nesting, they call it or like nestled in? Totally. So I think that, um, I even felt that like from the moment that I found out. I was like, oh my gosh. I have to, it's like instinctual, I think. And I could be so wrong too. I'm just speaking. Everybody's experience is so different. Um, but I feel like from the moment I

found out all of a sudden I was like, what can I shift in my life, like, to start preparing for this. And yeah, so there's, so right now, I'd say there is a little bit of just, there's extra time on our hands. We're not traveling like we had been planning to do and because of this coronavirus situation and all that. But it has allowed me to kind of, okay, what's the next project? And then I do hear my sister just had her second baby in those last couple of weeks.

in that last trimester, you get real stir crazy and the need to nest. So you're so right on, but I'm experiencing a little bit of it already. Oh, man. Well, hey, Tinley, we celebrate you here. I know everybody does. Congratulations to you and Taylor, and congratulations on bringing life into this world. I know it's going to be fun for the world to watch this child grow up with the guidance of you and Taylor. So thanks for sharing with us. Thank you so much. Congratulations. So, so happy

for you. Thank you, Ashley. But prayers are appreciated. And congratulations to you, Ben. That's an exciting season of life as well. Soke that all up. And then Ashley, I can't wait for your announcement. But take no rush. Thank you. maybe everybody's like Ashley Jared please have a quarantine baby my mom was such a pain in the ass last week she was like I just don't know why you're waiting a few more months to start trying like why wouldn't you just do it now I'm like mom first off we're in your house so no thanks I do think yeah it's it's worth waiting but also of course when the time is right it's gonna find you you know yeah yeah Bye.

Bye. Thanks, Tim. All right. Well, Ben, highs and lows on this podcast, that's for sure. It's been a pleasure talking to you and getting every single detail from your engagement. Thanks for sharing that with us. And, well, to another week of being quarantined, may you enjoy this? Actually, what an amazing time.

Well, not an amazing time. If you're ever going to be quarantined, I'd say. This is a great week for you and Joe. to be because I think that togetherness and that the coziness that comes from it is something that you wouldn't normally get to savor in a regular day lifestyle. Yeah, it is. And this is a special time for us. And we are celebrating. Trust me, we are. We are soaking up every moment we have with each other. And especially the moments that have very little distraction right now because of the pandemic. But as we did two weeks ago, Ashley,

And Ashley and I want to send a final note to all of you out there. Again, I'll mention and just say this so that hopefully you can see that I can relate. And I know Ashley can as well because her husband has worked in this world. But I am invested in the three restaurants and I own two coffee shops personally, all of which are struggling right now, all of which have employees who are no longer working for us and with us because these shops are not open. And so I just want to, on behalf of Ashley and I in this podcast, I want to send something out to all of you. We want to have fun here.

We want to be entertained. We want to talk about exciting new things going on in Bachelor Nation and in the world of pop culture and in the world of Ashley and I. But we also are not naive to the fact that there are people truly, truly, truly hurting. And like super people really confused, just like Anna and depressed and feeling isolated and alone. And so to all of you, just know one thing. The one truth is Ashley and I want to share with you. is that you're not alone.

Two is that we're doing this podcast to help you feel like the routine that you got used to in your normal week is still available to you because we won't be stopping just because of the COVID-19 virus. We're going to be doing this from the comforts of our own homes. And third, if you need help, please listen to this. If you need help, and I will be honest with you, I just started going back to counseling here recently, myself and therapy, to work through some. some stuff that I need to work through if you need help mentally emotionally spiritually reach out

to somebody if it's not the podcast which I get it there we can't we are not a counseling podcast we are a podcast to be your friend just reach out to a neighbor reach out to a loved one reach out to somebody and just tell them if it's anything I need help I feel alone because here's the truth we're all human we're all in this together it's affected all of us but I believe that love always conquers any type of fear and any type of confusion and I know humans love to love others. So go reach out for love. With that, hey, this is an exciting podcast for me. I am now engaged to the love of my life. And with that, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. Toodaloo. Later, guys.

Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. And now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you guys. get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

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