The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Ben's Baby Shower Swaddled Up

Episode Date: December 15, 2024

It's the final episode celebrating Ben's Baby Shower and it's time to look back on what we learned! Ben and Bob Guiney reveal what surprised them about their guests, what they never knew about parenting, and we hear some final pieces of baby advice! Get ready to change some diapers as we look forward to baby Higgins!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, guys, almost famous and the OG. All creations of the Sugarman Brain Trust here tonight. This is a post-mortem, guys. We're coming off of a great night. Awesome. Multiple interviews. Ben Higgins, Bob Guinea, talking to everyone in the room. We talked about parenthood.

We talked about having children. We talked about the baby. Colts. We talked about your gorgeous wife. We talked about cults. We talked about sandwiches. We had so many conversations. I don't even know what the hell was going on.

My head is spinning right now. And you know what, Bob? some things that stood out to me tonight. Joan and chalk outside of the baby stuff, as solid as of a couple as I've ever seen from the Bachelor franchise.

Yes, me too. I mean, they can joke with each other, they can kind of like jab each other a little bit and they love each other. That's a standout. You know what I loved also? First of all, they do speak for each other a little bit

like in a kind way, but they give each other that space to speak for themselves, which I think is a very respectful thing. And older couples do that and couples who've been together for a long time with that. But couples in the beginning, it's like one of them is almost always trying to dominate the conversation. It would stand to reason that Joan would almost talk for Chalk, right? She doesn't.

She lets him go. And Chalk doesn't need to be let go. He's a man. He has his own moment. I love them. I love that dude. Chalk made a comment at the very end of the podcast. It said it feels like to be married for five years.

I remember saying that. And I would say that makes sense to me, like it does. Another standout to me was Jonathan going on Paradise. His excitement towards that, his, you know, the one thing we didn't dive into with him, but I think is something to note is his intentionality about preparing well for that show, meaning he wasn't going to reach out to Bachelor people. He wasn't going to date around. He was going to keep his slate clean.

really if I would have what do you think about that like so I have two thoughts on that like one of the thoughts is I I question someone who has such a plan not that I question jiggity jay

because I actually did enjoy him but it is interesting to me that someone has such a plan like I didn't have a plan I wonder if a little no I'm with you I think a plan is an odd way to lay it out I wonder though for him getting to spend some time with him.

If he has a plan because of past seasons and how many people have had a lack of a plan and just kind of dated around and gone to these shows. He's watching the carnage. And he's like, I need to set my boundaries up. I need to make sure I think this through so that I don't show up to the beach and get absolutely destroyed.

I do say this. I like him. I think he's a very nice personality. I think he seemed like a really cool guy and I did like to use their supporting Jen that whole time throughout the season. I mean that, you know, everyone's like speculating if they're dating

and he knows they're not but he's still there every week. You know, part of me is like... Supporting her as a friend. Yeah. And we see this now with her and Sasha where we're like, Jonathan and Jen definitely didn't have anything.

And we guess we don't really know if Sasha and Jen do because it's kind of the same thing that was happening with Jonathan. But the Sasha thing seems a little more legit because she's like staying at his house, which feels like how it's too attractive people. To me, I go, how did two attractive single people sleep in the same bed? I'm sorry, dude. It's just not happening. No, we're just going to

stay. She's going to stay here at my couch. She's got all the clothes and the dirty laundry. Come on, bro. Yeah, not a half of due respect. Yeah, it's not a thing. I watched Jen dance on that show. Yeah, come on. Courtney and Umberto were together. Uh, just so. I love that guy. You love them. And you love Umberto and you love Courtney. I do. And you've been a, fan of hers forever. I have. I could tell just through that interview how, like, excited you were that they are together. I like them. But again, to go back to my first point. Yeah. And Berto Preciado shows up. Like you and I both are melting. Literally the greatest name I've ever heard in my life. Yeah. Like, there's no chance they don't get married. And I get named Bob Guinea.

Yeah. And I want to fight my parents. Why am I not? Roberto Guine. No. It's Bob Guinea. And he really like sourcrow it's like all these weird tonalities that from the Midwest just abuse me. Beautiful couple. We had Susie

who's just crushing it in her podcast hosting an incredible show about so many unique creative and difficult topics and she's doing it in a humorous yet deep way.

She's adorable. She is. She really is adorable. Do you think her and Justin are back together? I do. I do. I got a feeling.

I think so, too. I think that, first of all, it bothered me at our last time with Justin. It bothered me that I felt like there was some, it wasn't, it didn't seem settled to me. There was something going on. I love that right now, even though, you know, we weren't able to pry it out of her in our gripping interviews. And you and I just hitting it with the hard stuff. We weren't able to get out of her that I do think they are together. And maybe that's something for Bachelor Nation look forward to.

I think they're back together. there. We have the golden ladies. The golden girls. Can we call them the golden girls? Yeah, of course we can. I feel like the three of them are like the three amigos who are just awesome. And they're crushing it. I could listen to them, read a phone book and I would be laughing my ass off. Can you imagine

if we just stuck the three of them in a house and said there's no rules of this, just live life and see what happens? Because it would be no bills would get paid. But here's a thing. It would be just absolute craziness. If you have boys over the show will pay for everything. So like that's encouraging. love it

and just see what happens and we just follow along Hulakin the pool boy would be there and none of them have a pool Can I tell you something? Yes. I would bet money

that by early 2025 a lot of those golden ladies are dating a lot of the golden dudes. I hope so. I guarantee you I see them. They're all so chocks face-timing his buddies

from the show and getting the ladies on they're all, it's going to be like the young ones interdating, you know, as they do with the Goldins. Nancy needs a dude.

And I think I know who it's going to be. Who? Do you want me to tell you now or right? I think it's going to be Guy. Wait a minute. I like Guy. You're going to meet Guy. When Ben's having a baby,

Guy's going to be with us. Oh my God. So I think there might be some sparks between maybe Nancy and Guy. And will Nancy be back on that one? I think so. Should we reserve the family? Oh, that one's going to be, okay, tune in for like,

February? For like golden hookups. Because what we're trying to do, Ben, when you have the baby is we're going to take Bob. That seems like something I would not be down for me. Firestone is just stirring the pot. Yeah, I'm going to come back after the baby. Literally, we're just going to get all the goldens.

It's going to be 50 and over only and it's going to be all the golden. Madness, bro. And Susie. And Susie, of course. Ben, your face, why you so, why let the old, let the, let the goldons have love. Why can't older folks find love? I want them to have love so. bad. I just have this image in my mind

I know that I can't get out. That's mostly what I'm thinking. But I'm just thinking about having a baby and then like coming back in March and starting to record again. And all of a sudden now she's like... First of all, we're not letting you have like two weeks off. I love anything. He just thought he's getting like two months off. Who said Ben's getting time off?

I thought I get like five days vacation. No. No, no, no. You don't know about that we set up all the cameras and the microphones in the delivery did you know? That's right. We already cleared it. Yeah, it's wild.

I'm going to be right there and be like, ladies and gentlemen, this is actually happening real time. I just can't imagine like the stories that are come out and I'm going to listen to a podcast and be like, yeah, well, it's not like Kathy and this guy.

They like snuck off. It's going to be like stage coach. To Bob's bedroom and we walked in there making out. No, it's going to be like stage coach with Goldie. That's what I was going to say. Who was the one that got in trouble at stagecoach? Blake.

What was the nickname? I don't know. What was the name they gave stage coach when Blake had like too many hookups what if we make a golden just like a golden hedonism what's hedonism oh hedonism hedonism island yeah i don't actually like feel like this is something i'd morally be against because like if we brought all them together for an i heart event and like the idea was like let's speed date and then like let's say we get four really successful makeouts from it i'd actually be like that's kind of cool i know what if we play spin the bottle really good adults they

know what they're doing. They're all like into it. No one's even remotely young enough to make a mistake. We just can't serve salami. No one's getting pregnant. No one's getting pregnant, they got. All holds barred. Yeah. Nobody. It's like a candy bowl of Viagra and condoms. It's like when daddy's away. Oh, the kids

will play. Oh, goodness. This sounds dangerous. You put Firestone and I in a room, bro. It's going to be insanity. Oh, no. We're bringing spin the bottle, truth or dare. We're going to bring out all the teenage games and have just hookup Island for the Golden. I can't wait. That's such good content. It's pretty good. That's good. I just can't be a part of it. We'll call you. We'll call you. We'll send you video. Who else was here tonight? Nobody. I think that was all the interviews we did. Well, I wanted to say, like, let's talk about this. So you did

mention Courtney Bug Robertson and Omberto. Yeah. And yes, I actually really, so I did an interview with Courtney earlier this year. And I always thought she was the villain too. And I thought it was really interesting to hear Umberto's experience with her being the villain. It hurt his feelings in the jump. And it was like, it was hard for him to get over it at first. And I guess I never really thought about it because I was edited very nicely when I was on the show. I didn't realize that it could be hard to be with someone who was coming off of that experience. And they have their first birth of their child. And he's like, it kind of bothered me that all the headlines were about her being the villain and showing pictures of her and Ben.

She's not. I mean, I think she's not. I think she was on that season. No, she was just so sassy that she made her the villain. Yeah. And she was just like not there to be like everyone's best friend. Well, she said, like her whole thing was, I'm not here to make friends. She flashed.

She did some things in the water. But it was like nothing that she did was villainous. No. But they made, like Sugarman said, they made the villain. She was like the frontrunner. And she won. So clearly, you know, she was the villain. You sit down with Courtney and you realize that she is one of the most caring, put together, loving moms and people.

Yeah. And she loves Umberto, man. Yeah. And she love, and he loves. I mean, that dude is a stud. I'm sorry, but sit there meeting him. I'm like, holy shit. I love this guy.

It's weird, Bob, for you and I sit in a room with, like, guys like Chalk and Jonathan and Umberto in one night. And we're just like. Love these guys. Yeah. And like, I could see it. Like those guys. All these dudes, I'd date this guy. Yeah, I'd want to hang out with him more?

Like, Chalk, you want to talk a little bit after this? First of all, Chuck, I was trying so hard to talk to Chalk before he left tonight, and he's like, it was great me and you guys, we're out of here. I'm like, Chuck, I love you. You and I had a bonding time with Chalk in here. I love Chalk. He's a good dude. I love Joan.

I do too. Oh, my God. I think that, you know what I love? You guys, I'm going to say something. I think this kind of a bachelor's out. This is kind of far-fetched thing to say, but first of all, line is just one 34-31. You're welcome America. America. First of all this, we aren't live, Bob.

Trista Sutter goes on, Trista Renn, Trista Sutter-Nay-Renn, goes on this show 20-some years ago, bombshell blonde, chooses kind of a quiet, unassuming guy, and they have this lifelong relationship, right? Joan comes along. It's almost like the reincarnation of this whole thing. I had a weird, so first of all, I will give a secret that I do. did see Susie and Justin together at Disneyland. Sidebar, I had to tell you that. That makes me happy. I had a weird moment with Joan

where I flashed back to your season, not your Bachelor season, but your Bachelorette season, because one of the things was Joan wasn't, you know, when she went on, she was telling me when she went on Golden Bachelor, you know, she hemmed and hot a little bit, like, should I do this?

Am I ready? And she had this, like, knowledge that I need to go on because this is the first one and you can never recreate the first one and I immediately thought of Trista's season like that will never be recreated because it was so iconic and for young people you gotta go back and watch it

because it was the first time ever what Chalk said the night which we covered in our interview which I thought was great was the one thing that resonated for me from this season the guys all got along just like we did Bob see Ben's too young He doesn't remember. He doesn't remember it.

That was in diapers. Bob and I were around at this time. Not only were we around, we were making news, buddy. We were all together, because we're all old. Sugarman saved my life. They all became best friends. Yeah. And the reason the viewers, like myself, loved watching it

was because we enjoyed watching you all and your camaraderie. Yeah. Exactly the same reason. I loved Joan's season. Like, if you did not watch Joan's season, go watch it. Oh my gosh, yeah. I cried every episode. It was so good.

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But soon, in about a half an hour, we're all leaving. And Bob and Ben are going to be in this house. Are there going to be cameras? No cameras. Fantasy suite? You're just going to be here the two of us. And we created, we got, we're in like a house. He always, the cameraman always stays.

Yeah, Joel stays. I want to know what you two are going. going to do when we all leave. Like I was, I just told the boys like go in the hot tub, but do you think you're going to like stay up late and like the two, so do you think you two will bond like fatherly bond? Well, we've always bonded. Yeah, we've always bonded. I love Bob so much.

And, uh, but Bob and I both have early flights tomorrow. We're on a 530s. Yeah. So like, uh, well, Bob, but it's only 8.30 right now. No, no, time out, Amy. Uh, well, you don't know about me maybe is like when you say it's only a. 8.30, like, 99% of my life means I'm already in bed. So, like, I'm already pushing it.

Hold on. We got to adjust that, by the way, with you having children, by the way. Yeah. Well, right now. Do you think he'll go to bed earlier? Oh, my God. Dude, I'm, I'm the late night guy. Like, that's my kind of my thing. I'm in bed by 830. Yeah. So you're going to be a bed by like four. So you know, our boss, Danielle, she goes to bed at what, 815? Yeah. Yeah. There isn't, there isn't, there isn't a night that Jessica and I've been home together in the last year that I've seen 1045. You know, I'm going to ask you. If I saw 1045, it means I'm not like falling asleep and I've like needed to get up and walk around the house for a little bit before I go back to bed. Like I bet last night, I know for a fact, I set our sleep timer at 9 o'clock for 30 minutes and neither of us saw it go off at night. Can I tell you a secret about fatherhood?

What's a sleep timer? On your TV, you can set the timer for when the TV turns itself off. And I said it for 30 minutes starting at 9 o'clock. I've never even heard of a sleep time. Yeah. And I'm really old. So I'm going to tell you this. Here's one thing I want you to use to.

So having children. Yeah. There's a lot of things that come with it. One of the things is that you guys probably enjoy watching television shows together. Yeah. Like, you know, like maybe Yellowstone or what else? Landman. Oh, Landman.

Oh, Landman. I want to watch that. The new one with Billy Bob Thornton. That sounds fine. I love Allie Larder's leopard. Yes. Yes. And Cassie Randolph's sisters in it.

I know, Michelle. Yeah. Ellie Larder, who was originally the famous person for the whipped cream bikini in varsity blues. Oh, yeah. 20-some years ago. Still smokes a show. You're going to watch a lot of TV by yourself. So when Canyon had, when we had our baby, I would be like, hey, we're in the middle of

sopranos or whatever it was. I mean, this is circa 1964. And I go, I'll meet you downstairs once. Grayson's asleep and you've milked him and, uh, or whatever. We, uh, breastfed him. Sorry. Sorry, breastfed. I get what you. I, see, I heard it and I was like, I get it. No, I, I, you, yeah. And I'm like, I'll see you downstairs. And I'd be downstairs. It'd be six, 45. I'd be like, oh, she'll be down here. I'm going to make her a cocktail and maybe some popcorn. I'm going to settle up nice for her. Eleven. Still by myself. Episode

49. This went on Monday through Sunday. Was she sound to sleep upstairs? Oh, God. Yeah. And it's insane. And it was like, and it still extends to today. Like the other night, like last night, I literally said to I go, hey, listen, you might

want to put Grayson to sleep. It's Grace's sixth birthday. It was a Chucky Cheese. Very raucous event. 25 people. Yeah. It's back. It's back.

It's not the big rat mechanical thing. No, they got like trampolines and shit. And I go, I'm going to lay down with Grayson to put him asleep, but I'm going to sneak out because I got a pack. She's like, oh, yeah, of course. And I'm like, I got to leave because my flight's going to leave at 7.30, which I didn't leave

till 4 in the afternoon. We'll talk about the travel. We'll talk about that later. It's how much I love this show. But I go, so if you can come in, oh yeah, of course. So I go and I lay down with them and I'm like, pretend to be asleep,

you know, and I wake up. And I should probably sneak out. As I do, she's snoring. It has been for four hours. And that's going to be your life for the next, you know, relatively seven to 47 years. I have an important question for all of you

but before we get to my question for Bob we should give Ashley a shout out that the reason we are not making Ashley travel right now is because she has so many babies so we will extend you that Ben for like a month after the baby time. I'll still in for March when you said I get two days off

I'll fill in for 30. You have to be on the Zooms within two days. I'll fill in for 36 hours but after that's back to you. Bob will fill in for like a month traveling. Back to you. Bob, I want to ask you a question because I think Ben might be curious about this.

did having the baby help your marriage like like deepen your love deep in your marriage improve your marriage or were there some tough times tough times however i will say this um i think both honestly i really do think both um tough times but i've never loved my wife more like honestly i don't think she'd ever love me more like it's but you go through these times where you're so tired you're so physically depleted you don't mean to take it out on each other you just do you know and it's like you're gonna still be working

and you're gonna still be trying to provide for your family and doing the things that you do and then but you're also you and I are a lot alike this way like I the only reason I'm on a 530 a in flight tomorrow is because I want to go home and help my kids right I'm not going home yeah I have a party to go to tomorrow night

with my wife but I would make it if I was on the nine getting home at 4 or 30 I want to go home early to help her with the kids because she had them all day today by herself. And that's going to be you because that's who you are. And I love that about you. And that's what everyone loves about you. So the exhaustion is real.

The fatigue is real. And the sad part is the person you love the most, your wife, you're going to take it out on her occasionally. And she's going to take it out on you probably a lot more. I mean, Canyons, a little different. And I say different being special and very wonderful and incredibly loved. Yes. But I mean, my wife is tough.

And I love her for it. But I'll say this. Like, I think the thing that you'll experience the most is that you, what you think is love now, you don't have a clue. And I say that because I love Canyon more than life itself. Like, I would have never gotten married again if I hadn't met Canyon. But then having our children, I'm just like, holy shit, my head's going to explode. Like, I've never felt this way. Someone says something kind of sideways about my child, and I'm ready to go bonkers.

And I'm not that guy. And it's like this love is so deep and so different. But then when you look at your wife and you realize that she did this, dude, mind-blowing. It's crazy. What do you think? I'm going to cry again. Yeah. I mean, I trust Bob for every word he ever says.

I just, I get it. And it's cool because I also have this funny image. Right when I told Bob that Jessica was pregnant, Bob and I were on the golf course. And we're playing golf together and we're riding the car, we're having a great time. And then Bob shows me a text that Canyon has sent him. And it's like, so-and-so just pooped in the bucket.

The other one tried to throw it at him. My kids are feral. Yeah. And I'm sitting in a lawn chair with a cocktail. Like, it was like, it was the funniest text I've ever read in my life. And I was just like, she's funny.

She's funny. It's that capa, cap, gamma, gamma. Yeah. Cal cap, cap, and I just, and then like, it's what I love

is what I've always loved about life is as I get older, I care more, but I also care less on certain things. Yeah. And I'm excited to enter into a stage again where I'll care less about probably so many things I care so much about right now. You care less about yourself. And I'm going to care so much more for something outside of me, which has always been a healthy step in my life. Yeah. It's always been healthier for me to extend externally and not so much focus internally and try to build up whatever I'm doing. And I am because I know it's going to make me a better man. And I see all these dads around me who are incredible men.

Now, they might not function as you'd picture this incredible man, but they love well, and they care well, and they support well. And they're flying on 530 flights to get home to their kids tomorrow morning when, you know. Thanks for supporting that, by the way, guys. I know it's not easy for anybody. But it's something that, like, for me, that excites me, that I'll be entering into something where I'm willing and able and excited about, hey, I'm going to wake up at the crack of dawn tomorrow just to get back home.

That'll tell you this. So Canyon, I land and Canyon goes, this is ridiculous. Just come home later. Don't worry about it. And she's like, get on that, go back to the 9-10. I go, no, I switched to the 530 for a reason. She's like, why? I'm like, because I want three and a half hours of my kid before I go to this

stupid party that we're hosting, you know? And, uh, and she's like, okay, well, whatever. And all I can think of was, first of all, it was really cool that, and I mean, I know Jess is like this too. Like, Canyon doesn't see everything. She makes fun of me that everything I do is a party and fun. But she knows that, you know, a lot of it isn't, right? But she's always like, she's like, no, just enjoy yourself. Like, stay there. That's the most beautiful place because we've had dinner here before in this place, Tariana is so gorgeous. She's like, enjoy it. You won't even get to see it. And I'm like, Oh, it's going to be great. It's going to be great. Point is, it doesn't matter.

When you're here without them, it's, yes, it's a reprieve and it's a moment, but all you can think about is, oh, man, I wish my kids could see this, you know? Or it's like, when you have these kids, it's like, especially where the age of that Grayson's at now, which is he's six, he's become like my little best friend. Like, I'll put him in the car and we'll drive around and we have real conversations. Like, and I'm blown away by how smart he is. And that doesn't happen without Canyon. putting in that time. Like, you know, public schools are great, and I love it,

but Canyon is the one teaching them how to spell and how to add and how to have a conversation. And it's just this beauty that you see, that you recognize in your spouse that is, it's otherworldly. It really is, and it really makes, to me, to answer Amy's question, long, long, long form,

yeah, it's been really challenging at times. And I won't lie. There's been times where I'm like, why does everything have to be so hard, you know? And then there's other times we're like, oh my God, this is the most magical thing I could ever imagine. And why did I wait so long to do this?

I'm 48 when I had my first kid, and it's like, thank God I waited that long, though, because it was with Canyon. When it's with the right person, that's why you do it, right? Or that's, and maybe it isn't having kids. Maybe that isn't what a couple needs. For us, it was like,

the only reason I even thought about getting married again was to have a family, but it wasn't until I met Canyon that I was willing to do it. I'm so thankful that I did because she was the right person for me. And Jess is such the right person for you. Like you guys are like two kindness bombs

just exploding together all the time. It's like I've never met two people that are so meant for each other in my life than the two of you. And it's like so wonderful when you love someone, like I do you to see Jess come along and just make you even more lovable. It's fucking mind blowing.

Yeah, it blows my mind too. I touched on this earlier, Bob, and I want to hear from you. you were 48 when you had your first kid. I mentioned that, you know, I'm 35 and I'm having my first kid. And there is this, I'll be one month. I guess when our baby is born, I'll be one month away from turning 36. With 35 years of my life, what I would call being selfish, because that's really just who I've been, right? I'm living my life. I'm doing the things I want to do. I'm investing into the time and the people that I want to invest into, you know,

And so there is this unique fear, I guess, of how in the world do I kind of rip that selfishness out of me? And we talked about it with the golden ladies and it was great. But I would love for you to dive into what it felt like at 48 to have your first kid living 48 years of your life without a child and still finding the space to not be resentful towards this fact that this kid walked into your world and ripped it all up and said, nope, my time. time is yours now. How did you make that transition? Well, first of all, I would say I would be more definitive of the word selfish than you. You are a very kind and giving person. I didn't go anywhere and dig wells and I didn't go anywhere and provide water and all the things that you've done. I was

somebody who was at every party in Hollywood, you know? So my my version of selfish is probably a lot different than yours. And I mean that sincerely. I think we're both very kind. and very giving people, and I've known Amy forever, and I love her so much, she could probably speak to that. Like, you're just a different person than me. I mean, I didn't do the things that you do. So you saying you're selfish, you saying your selfish is a different version of me saying I'm selfish.

The same idea exists, though. Like me doing what I love to do and you doing what you love to do are the same thing. We both said we love to do these things. Right. And I did. And I didn't think I wanted kids at a certain point. But I will say this, like, you know, hosting the Playboy Jazz Festival and Playboy Radio and all that dumb shit I did for so many years.

And I just thought, oh, I guess that's what I'm supposed to be doing. And my sister being like, you shallow piece of S, you know. I mean, there was a point where I'm like, my sister, I'll never forget it. She calls me. She's like, you are not bringing Jennifer Love Hewitt to the cottage from a Memorial Day weekend. I'm like, I didn't even say I was. She's like, I know you're dating or don't do it. Dumb stuff like that.

Like, that's to me a selfish. Can we just pause her one second? No, no, no, we're not going back down there. Point is, what I'm trying to say is, I think that my, I don't know what path of self-destruction I might have been on without my children. But I do know that I was always pretty mindful and Midwestern about the way I approach things, which I think is a huge badge of honor with, I love Midwestern values, and I love that, and I love instilling that in my children.

But I was still kind of like, you know, what's next? I don't know. I'm just, every next thing that comes, I'm just taking it and running with it and I'm still surviving, I guess. There came a point where I was like, there's got to be something more than this.

Yeah. And like for me, like I think about like my relationship with Canyon. Like I love her and she's incredibly smart and insightful and intelligent. I don't know what we'd be talking about 10 years later if we didn't have a kid, you know? And I'm so thankful that I got something else to focus on besides me.

Like, you know, one of the funniest things that happens in our life, and this happens literally on a daily basis, is my six-year-old Grayson, I'll take him to McDonald's Playland, and I'll be like, hey, buddy, you daddy, can we get French fries? No, not today. We'll have a bottle of water, and, you know, I'm just like, but you can play in the plane like this right in our house. And he'll go in, and literally the woman who's like a 12-year-old McDonald's waitress, he'll walk over with a tray with a bottle of water on it, and he'll yell from the playland. Yeah, it's him. He's the bachelor. You can get a picture with him.

I'm like, what? And it's become so funny. Like, it's no longer, I don't, I think I was trying to say it earlier today to somebody of it. I was like, I was like, trust me, it goes from being like a cool thing to being this like semi-famous guy to actually being like really laughable. Yeah. Like if you can look at this and laugh at yourself, then you've actually kind of made it

to the point where I'm actually going to really be your friend because I think I used to always say it to when they would ask me for advice for the new bachelor's and I would always go, you're not Ben Affleck. Yeah. And if a monkey hands out a flower and doesn't. give one of those girls a flower, she's going to cry. Think about it that way

and get over yourself. And I clearly wasn't around for much of the advice sessions. But that was my mindset of the show, was I was like, get over you. Like, it isn't about you. And I got over it really fast with my kids.

If I hadn't been over it previously, I realized really quickly that the one thing I learned from my children was it's no longer about me. And I love that. Like, I really love investing in them and I love watching them, even when they're watching me,

Yeah. Because it gives you a different view of even how to see yourself. Like, but I've also, I want to say this too, like, love your wife more than you've ever loved her in these times because I'll cry again, but I think that it's important because my dad loved my mom so much and my dad's no longer with us and I want my kids to feel that way about love, like the way I feel about my dad and my mom's love. Like, you know, I didn't know their problems. I never saw them.

All I saw was these two people who, no matter what, they get through it. And so I want my kids to see that. And so, you know, and we probably bicker in front of them too much and all that kind of stuff, which is maybe a good thing, maybe a bad thing. I'm sure there's a Dr. Spock book about all that shit. Point is, like, you'll never love your wife more than when you see her dealing with your children. And I think you should never let your children see it more how much you love your wife. Because that's going to be what they see in relationships.

Your daughter needs to know that a man should respect her. Your daughter needs to know that a man should put her first, right? It's just like my sons need to know that they should put a woman first and a woman that they love first. It's important to me. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra.

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and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Bob, as I, any other advice, I didn't ask you for advice tonight. I'd love to have any advice. You just shared some great stuff about loving my wife well, and that will sit with me. she deserves it one and she's great so that's easy you're not going to always want to though yeah because she's not always going to be super nice yeah you know i mean at least you know my experience

um but yeah no i think it's i think it's pretty amazing like when you go through these moments especially as your is your daughter gets older and i'm assuming you guys will probably have another kid and stuff you know but you know who knows i mean i i don't know you don't need any advice for me dude i'm a disaster what are you most worried about yeah what do you most worried about as a dad. Yeah, I said it. Like, the selfishness, like, personally, what I'm most worried about is this idea that, um, I've just gotten, you know, when I get, you get married, there's, uh, there's things that you kind of not rip away, but there's different rhythms, different things that you implement in your life to be a good husband. Um, my passions and my desires and all those

things that haven't had to change since marriage because Jessica, it's like, that's not where I married you. I didn't marry you so you become some, like, version of yourself. I married you to be the best version of yourself, which is increasing those things. Which speaks of her confidence. Yeah. It's awesome. But with a kid, you know, there's a whole different, like, mindset where it's like, no, some of those things have to be changed.

Like, a new version of myself has to exist because my handicap can't get below a five now every year. Yeah. You're playing that much golf, buddy. Yeah. And because, like, you know, there's just things that have to change and have to be tweaked. And I think that's what I'm most fearful of is, am I going to be able to do that without resentment? And am I going to be able to do that with excitement and joy? That's what I'm fearful of because I don't do things well out of resentment.

Even if it's out of, even if it's the right thing, there has to be a better reason. And I know the reason is because I want to be a dad that's present as, umberto was saying the night i want to be a dad that's available i want to be a dad that's that's there not a dad that's like yeah i remember dad playing golf five days a week right um what i'm also i mean i think i'm fearful about i was saying i was talking to cordonie about tonight and i don't think she'll mind me sharing it we have the same thing where we have worst case scenario thinking at night so when i lay my head on the pillow tonight no matter what i know it i'll have some type of negative thoughts flow into my head. It will be something about, I'm assuming tonight of who I

didn't talk to or what I said to somebody or maybe I didn't talk to somebody enough. I do that too. Like a recap. A recap. And my recaps are always pretty harsh. So I'm working with somebody right now. Harsh on yourself. On myself. Okay. The other side of this is my worst case in her thinking when I first got married was Jessica's going to work tomorrow morning and I'd start to have these thoughts and these fears about her driving to work or even as silly as like when I got a puppy is our puppy in the crate going to be okay tonight is he thirsty you have some anxiety issues I have some anxiety issues I think and I'm just starting to figure this out for the first time of my life mostly because I started talking to my some but my mentor my growth coach what I've been to call him about this and he's like

you have some anxiety issues yeah and when you have a baby this is going to only increase because you're going to have a little human yeah that you're like literally responsible for every single thing so that's a fear of mine is what how does that play out what does that look like um i think that's the hardest part yeah i do i mean dude there you know what it is it's one of those things that i think i'm the opposite of you in that regard like i i hate to say i don't think about anything i don't know i mean maybe i do and i just don't realize it but i think that canyon thinks the canyon is probably more like you in that regard like she really thinks about everything you see jessica doesn't like so like that's like that's

So I think, I think Jess and I are probably, Jessica and I like you and Canyon are like in that regard. But I think that's what makes a good parenting team. Like, you know, if you're both obsessing over every little detail, what a disaster for that child, right? You got one of us going, back off. I mean, Canyon and I, I will say this. Canyon and I have the most honest relationship I've ever had in my life.

And I've been married a lot. No, no, but, you know, I say that jokingly, but. I just want to say third times. Yeah. Well, you know, the first one, kind of counted. No, but it's true. Like, I think about it. Like, I never fought with my exes.

I never argued with them because I loved them and I cared about them. And we got along. And I'm not saying I didn't care enough, but I, the stakes were what the stakes were. And it was like, does it matter if I win this argument? F, F it, you know. Now we. And it's been like this since the beginning of a relationship, though, before we had children, I'd be like so honest that it was painful for me because I hate confrontation.

So I'd be like, you know, yeah, I call you Canyon because I dated a girl named Jessica. In fact, I'm still dating her. She's out of Norwich County. And my co-host is Jessica. And she introduced us and I just can't keep it straight in my head sometimes because I, you know, think you're all kind of cute. So I'm just going to call you Canyon. And Canyon is like, okay. I'm like, what the hell?

Why is she actually not fighting with me? And, but it was like we, like, she was so comfortable and confident in her own skin that I couldn't, I didn't want to not just give her all the chips on the table. Like, so when I think about, like, relationships and I think about things like, like, she's the one person who I've, I can honestly say, like, you could bring up anything for my past. And I go, oh yeah, she knows that one. That's a funny one. Remember this one?

Oh, yeah, I know that one. Like, it was like one of these things. But what I love about it is that. for our future, it also kind of sets the stakes in a certain way as well. Like, I can trust her with anything. And we kind of touched on it tonight when I said, when we were having our second child, my biggest fear, which was, do I have enough love in me to give to another kid? You know, like, I've never loved anyone the way I love Grayson, our firstborn. And now here's coming this second child. Holy shit, it's a boy. Do I have enough love for another?

little, I don't know if I can do it. And I was really doubting myself. And I didn't, because I was, you know, I'm old and I'm like, what the hell? I don't even know if I have this capability. And trust me, you do. It's amazing how much I love Blake as well. But it's like, you know, I think having that self-doubt and having the ability to kind of like look within and challenge yourself a little bit, you already beat the system.

The guys that have to worry about that stuff or the guys don't think about it. The fact that you're thinking about it, God bless you. dude and your family and your wife and your children are going to be so much better for it because you're thinking about it like at the end of the day i don't know what the right answer is because clearly i don't know anything the one in the world that you worry less about being a great dad than ben higgins no ben higgins is the most sincere and thoughtful and kind person i've known you for a long time yeah and i have not one ounce of concern about you being the ultimate dad.

Yeah. Not even. I wore my dad's sweater and I hoping you would say that. He's also wearing loafers. I saw the loavers. So I want to say this to you. He's a full dad.

I so agree with you, Sugar. So one of the nicest compliments I ever got in my life was when I would say we're having a baby and they're going to be the greatest dad. I feel like it's almost an embarrassment that people would say that to me now that you're having a kid.

And I do feel like I'm a really a dad and I'm super hands on and I care and I'm, I'm, but Ben, you're just, you're just, you've been built to be a dad. And you're an old soul. We're talking about that tonight with all the golden ladies. But I said that to you when you wrote your book and I remember calling, you and I were on the phone. It was, it was kind of during the whole Harrison thing and you and I were talking. And I remember saying to you, I was like, dude, you're just such a old soul. Like, I feel like he's an OG even though you're 10 years after me. You are the oldest 35 girl ever known. And I, and I, And that's the nicest compliment that someone can give you.

I take it as a compliment. Yeah, I mean, credit to my family too. Like credit to my friends and my family who always, no matter what was happening, pulled me back to reality, gave me perspective. And I think that's a gift. Just always having the best of people around you to speak into you, to hold you accountable to celebrate you and that's the best thing

and it's been the best part of this show too is coming out of the show not everybody's awesome a lot of people are I'd say most are but to find the few that are like just good rocks to surround yourself with

and Ben what about when we started this podcast like we started this podcast on like a very sad day for you and how many years has it been eight I don't know, nine. Yeah, we started this podcast in the day that, not strategically, that the relationship was announced.

No, I remember. Yeah, I remember. It was, Amy was seeing dollar signs. I was seeing. I sure was, but I just, I knew your heart. I just know your heart was so broken the day we started. And thank God for Ashley, who really, like, she's been such a best deed to you.

Do you know what I mean? But, like, your heart was broken when we started this podcast. And to be with you over this many years, to see your heart mend it healed in front of my eyes it it grew in front of my eyes it filled up just filled it up like to such a bigger than it was before and now like this is your dream yeah that's cool it's just like and i'm excited for the next eight years to to see you and what happens. And I hope everyone comes on that ride with you

because they are in it with you. It's wild to think that we started this as two single humans and soon we'll have three kids a part of this show. And I eat my words every day when Ashley would call me crying or call me asking me to do something for Jared. This is way before they were together.

She'd be like, let's get Jared, kiss of this and I'm like Ashley this guy is not treating you and she's she just knew I have such respect for Ashley yeah she loved him and she was like I am going to be patient I remember feeling that way about them too look at her yeah I mean if I couldn't eat my words more she is you know I remember because I didn't know either one of them but I knew him from the show I knew you and I knew others but I remember thinking why is she keep lining herself up for this she and now he is so committed and devoted.

So obsessed in the love with her and it's just like, wow. She knew. She knew. She knew. She knew deep down like this was her guy. Yeah, it's wild. Well, it's an exciting time for the Almost Famous Podcasts. I appreciate you both. I love you both. Thanks for letting me jump in because I just... I love this shug.

We gotta do a producer sesh. Yeah, sometimes and then I'll get a lot of hate mail, but it's fun. How would you ever get hate mail? She has her own podcast now. I have two. Until next time. Can I tell a quick Sugarman story before we break? Yeah, please.

So I want to say this, and I know you know this story, but here's why I love Sugarman so much. And I would follow her into fire, I swear to God. So many, many years ago, do you mind me telling this story? Do you know what I have to remember it? I've known Bob for so long. It's just silly. So when I had just come off The Bachelor, and Amy Sugarman was the booking coordinator

and all the other things you did for the Seacrest stuff, and I was getting sued by the Bachelor franchise. Can I talk about this? Yeah, of course, of course. This is why I love Amy Sugarman so much. This is one of the many reasons, but, and Amy was always my friend, and she would book me for many years after this with band from TV and all the other things we would do. But at that time, I was being sued by the Bachelor franchise,

and I wasn't allowed to talk about the reason why they had me on the show in the first place, which was my music career. And the only way I could talk about it is if the host brought it up. It was in, it was in, like, legal order. And I just, I have to talk about this because you're on the show with me right now. So I would go on all these shows, and they all knew. They were all my friends, the hosts and stuff, and no one would ever bring it up. So we would talk about The Bachelor, you know?

Never talk about anything else. I'd go on Seacrest, and he would go, and first of all, to have Ryan Seacrest bring up your music career was a big deal, right? And Seacrest would go, well, hold on, hold on. Let's talk about your music career. So, I mean, you've been doing this for a really long time. And, you know, and I'm like, Amy Sugarman. and I knew it was always Amy Sugarman and I loved you so much for it

you could have called me to do anything and I would do it but I was always like man and I've said it to anyone who will listen for many years I'm like you know when you make friends in Hollywood it's very rare but when you make friends in Hollywood it will actually stick up for you

when you're getting your ass kicked it's like it's it's an unbelievable feeling because when you feel like you're getting attacked it's a really lonely place you know especially when you're from the Midwest and all of a sudden you're in L.A. and you know and and I just appreciate you and thank you for you know creating this for all of us and thanks for giving us a space but thanks for always having our back because a lot of people

didn't and you did and so I love you for that so thank you do you remember that yeah of course Ben I remember the same moments with you in tears and you having the same thing that happened to Bob and it's like we all just stick together we sure do you know I didn't even No Ben went through that. I am Land Rover's one meta-top. Until next time, I've been Ben. I've been Bob.

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