The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Ben’s Baby Shower with Joan Vassos and Chock Chapple

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

Ben’s baby shower continues with the superstars from The Golden Bachelorette! Joan and Chock stop by to share some advice and give us an update on their happily ever after!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and Ashley I, almost famous podcast with IHeart Radio. It's almost famous podcast. We were sitting here at a beautiful resort together with probably two of the biggest stars and Bachelor Nation. Absolutely. I'm with Bob Guinea all night tonight.

So here's what's happening. It is, I guess, my baby shower. It is. But really, it's just as baby shower from a distance. So Jessica is in Nashville having her baby shower with friends and family. Oh, I love that so much. I heart was kind enough to say, hey, if Jessica's celebrating, we want to celebrate you. Because you had a very small and pleasurable part of this experience.

very valuable. And I... You got to tell me about that. You have way too much information. I've seen him in the shower. It's not that. You guys must be special. That's why I said it was my.

I wasn't talking about anybody else here. And so we're having a great night with a bunch of guests that will be interviewing throughout the evening. And we're going to introduce them as we go. You'll see episodes drop and you'll know who was here and who wasn't. We have great food outside. We have great drinks. But tonight at the start, we have to,

talk to this couple. Yes, we do. I think, so I've said this a bunch and I said it to Joan before I knew that Chuck was the guy, right? First of all, the thing I love about the golden franchise is let's not kid ourselves. The Bachelor can go on and off the rails at different times with crazy casting choices and different things of that nature. What I've loved and what I said to Joan when she was first on Gary's season was I love that they took the casting and they made it not just age appropriate because I don't think that's the right word. They made it like just,

it was perfect, right? And then they come to Joan's season who was the perfect choice, P.S., and we all know that. Absolutely. And the guys on this show have blown me away. Like every single one of these guys.

And I will say this, and I said this to Joan, it reminds me of when Tris' this season, she was the first bachelorette, and I was on that season, and every one of us got along so well. We were buddies. We weren't pulling against anybody.

We were like, man, And let's just be friends and let's make this about all of us. And whoever in the end that she chooses, that's where her love is, that's where her is, it's going to be amazing. Well, back in the 70s, that was real popular. Yeah. Everybody got along back in the 70s. It's amazing what we do back in those days, man.

It's peace and love. Peace and love, man. Peace and love. But you're right. It was a long time ago, 20 some years ago. And here it comes full circle. And I feel like we had talked about this earlier asking, like, can the show reboot itself? How can you go back to square one?

And should it reboot itself? Yeah. I think with a good. golden franchise, it has rebooted itself. I mean, now, granted, they might go back to their old tricks with the new season, which I'm sure they probably have. But I loved watching this season, and I loved the guys. Like, I related to the guys where, I mean, we're not that far apart in an age. I, you know, I'm, I'm the oldest, real-life bachelor. Like, all these guys are way younger than, it's still living. And, uh, or two vet. Yeah, yeah, you know,

back in the day. But, like, watching you guys on the show was reminiscent to me of watching Trista's season and how the guys got along and rooted for each other. And it was never like, I mean, you always have that wild card here and there, right? But it was never watching the show and watching a bunch of caddiness amongst the guys. It was like genuine friendships. There was no cattyness. No. No. I loved you guys. A lot of fun. The way you reacted to each other, the way you supported each other, the way you supported Joan. It was beautiful. Well, there's so much so I remember the first night when the all the limos come in and you meet each guy. And I walked when everybody else was, all were here, they were all partying. I went

back to interview room and I said this season is not about me anymore. I was like, these guys are so amazing. They're so interesting. They have such great backstories. And this is, this is going to be about them. It's not going to be about me anymore. And I did actually feel that way. Kind of throughout the season, every time I got to sit down with a guy and they told more about their stories, that like statement became more real because they became so relatable and people fell in, I said, America's going to fall in love with these guys. And they really did. But the thing is, I think that there is a difference between a golden season and a regular season that's going on for years. And I'm not sure if it's fixable.

Because I think that we have backstories that give us some kind of confidence and a little bit, maybe a little bit of swagger that we feel like we are interesting enough that we don't have to have drama. And I don't know if you can fix that with the younger guys. You have history. You have experiences. Every one of the guys had a story. Oh, yeah.

So you don't need to create it. group health. Therapy. Yeah. Free group therapy with every one of the guys. Because a lot of us have been through some turmoil and you go, this happened to me and the next guy had a story that just blew your mind. Absolutely.

Yeah, exactly. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And you're right. That confidence does come with age. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And you have stories. So you have other things to talk about. You don't have to talk about like your most recent breakup or why you are better for the bachelor or the bachelor than I am or why my date was better. Yeah. Like that doesn't, like you don't have those conversations. Honestly, nobody cares.

And also we have the, like, we have the, I guess the experience to see that you don't want somebody picking you just because you eliminated everybody else. You want them to pick you because they actually had a relationship with you and they actually have feelings for you and they had a connection and that they saw that it could grow over the years or that you could end up being something more than just another person on your show. So backstabbing somebody else and pushing them out isn't the right way to get to the right place to the end. I mean, and I think, you know, Joe and you and I are messaging.

I've wanted to talk to the two of you together since you got off the show. Just because, you know, like my wife doesn't watch The Bachelor or The Bachelorette, but she does watch the Golden Show. Oh, that's Canyon, too. She loves it, and she cries, and she celebrates, and she invests into it. And I wanted to talk to you because I had gotten to meet you way before. you were ever announced way before you probably even knew that it was in consideration for you to be the golden bachelor. You're right. And, um, yeah, you're at the, she was at the mansion. I had no idea.

And my wife celebrated you. And so we celebrated you too as a couple because it's really exciting to see. And that leads me to my first question. I am going to call you out a little bit, uh, which I don't love to do on private conversations. But when I saw you tonight, one of the first words you said to me when I gave you a hug was the show can work. Yeah. That's what you said. And I want you to expand on that

because now we're a few months removed from the show airing. We're a few of many months removed from the show filming. And now you sit in this place as a couple. And when you say that to me, what do you mean by that? So like two things come to mind.

First one is that everybody really became invested in Gary's season. And we all thought it was super genuine and that it really worked. And still sitting here today, I think it did work at the time, but sometimes it falls apart later on. You guys get back.

Well, you got to do the work. You want to do the work. After the cameras, stop around. You do. That's where the real relationship begins. When you leave the bubble and you are out in the real world. So, like, that's my first thought on it. My second thought is was my own skepticism that can you really fall in love that quickly?

Because I only made it for three episodes of The Golden Boucher. So I didn't experience getting into any real feelings, honestly. So I wasn't super confident that that was going to happen. So all along, every time I was interviewed, I always said, you know, I don't necessarily need to leave this engaged. I need to leave this. What my desire really is is to leave this with a person that I am interested in, like, figuring out if it's going to work outside a bachelor nation. So there was no engagement on my mind. Then she met me.

And that is kind of true. So I met him and I was like, God, this is like this could work. I immediately had an attraction. We immediately had a connection. And the thing about this journey is you do kind of have to have that a little on the early side because it is fast. And I selected him as my first date because I kind of knew that in my mind, that you need to start developing this early on,

especially because sometimes people, the early, like people that contestants that mains pick end up not being the person they thought they were and then they're really behind. So you need to figure that really, really early. So your favorite person, you kind of have to get the first date to, or a really early date. Otherwise, you might not have enough time to recover from that if they're not, and they don't end up being the right person. He ended up having to be the right person. So I had a really good amount of time.

And the fact that I didn't think I was going to fall in love that quickly, like, that wasn't true. I did. And it happened. So when I said it works, it really can work. I think there was a lot of doubt left over from Gary's season that people doubted that it could work. and, you know, I felt a little responsible to, like, shatter that feeling, but it happened, like, in a really unexpected way for me. It actually, I wanted to leave with a relationship and didn't necessarily mean, need to be an engagement, but I am exactly where I need to be. I am exactly right now.

You're saying right now at this second, you're still feeling you're exactly where you're. Absolutely. And way more. And way more. No, you can see it with you too. I mean, you walk in. It's like, it's like we've been married for five years. Right.

Yeah. I mean, it's a good way. Like, not in like, oh, we're a more, you know, old, you got, you're facing each other's sandwiches. We understand each other. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. I like that. And, you know, we were really fortunate because Bachelor allowed us to have five happy couples. And that's a lot. And you know that's a lot. I don't remember how many you had. Um, but we had five. And so we had to know each other. I'm so sorry, I brought that up. Yeah. We got to know each other outside of Batcher, like kind of in our own little bubble. Still a little bit in a bubble, though. Yeah. But we had our phone. So I could hear his interactions with his kids and with his work and, you know, with his family. And he could do the same thing with mine. And we all held that we got along. You know, in a boring night, we binge watched the secret lives of Mormon wives.

And, like, we just, we cooked together. And I've heard it's a gripping show and I have not seen it. It's pretty cool. It's hilarious. It's really, really good. And we cooked together and we kind of lived like an old merry couple would live in a house kind of secluded. And we entertained some people and had a great time. Yeah, we had some of the producers over.

So people that knew about us were allowed to. them over, so we invited and we, so we like had a little dinner party. So we lived like a real couple. So when we came out of that and we were actually finally announced and could like be out in public, we are very comfortable with it. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart

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See, we didn't have that on my season, only because I think it was just a different expectation at that time. And I was pulled in so many different directions to do things for the franchise and for the show at that time. We had, like, I think, two. No, that's impossible.

Yeah. And then it was like, there'd be times when I'd be in L.A., and they wouldn't even, gosh, I even hate that I'm saying this on the air. right now, but they wouldn't even let her know I was there. Because they had me so scheduled. So booked. And it would be like, I'd be in and out,

you know, and I'm kind of, I'd do that a lot anyway with my travel. But I was like, I remember thinking, like, I should see her, you know? Like, did you want to? We'll have it next time. Yeah, I did, of course. You really wanted to pursue it.

But it was like, then you grow distant, right? You can't. That never happened with us. Every other week we saw each other. Almost. And we talked every day. I had five weeks of press. I had tons of press.

And we figured out, like, how to be together. You know, Tristan Ryan did I loved, by the way, this was, and I knew this because when they asked me to be The Bachelor, I called, Tristan and I were talking, and I love Ryan. It was one of those things where I was like, you know, tell me, like, what did you do to make this different? Like, what did you? And she's like, honestly, the second I was done with my press, I was done.

And for Trista to say that, who, you know, she thought of as the fairy godmother of the franchise, right? Yeah. She did dancing with stars. She did a whole bunch of things right after the, right after her season. But she really spent time investing with Ryan because Ryan was. averse to that stuff. He wasn't wanting to do

red cards. Like my wife, you know, it's crazy. Canyon doesn't have any interest in half the things I do. And Ryan was like, that's not my thing. And so Trista invested in Ryan. And I thought that was a big thing. She's so smart. And you know, I heard charity say the same thing. So when she came off of her season, she had to go right to dancing with stars. And she said she really worried about her relationship with Doughton

because she didn't feel like it was solid enough to be able to just take all this time off. but he showed up for every single dancing intimately with some dude we talked about you're not i think the point here is you're not the lead because it's i mean chalk you're a confident guy you've got a good career you're a good looking guy like these things you know it might be a little different very good looking very good i would say incredibly attractive the gentleman like insanely attractive he's got midwestern values which come on let's not let's not get ourselves brother that is but that's true i'm an indiana boy i know you are buddy you know that

I was saying the three guys here. There's a reason. Hey, Bachelor franchise. It might be a little different with the Golden. This might not be a barrier. However, you come off the Bachelor of Bachelorette and you're chosen. There's still insecurities that exist. You're maybe we're proposed to on the same day you broke up with somebody else.

It's a big deal. The way it's edited, you think, oh, my gosh. She was conflicted, all these things. You don't realize they're editing how monumental that is. And I don't even want to talk about this. No, I know, I know, I know. I know, I know. But John, that brings me to you.

I mean, my point was, you're still the lead a little bit after the show because there is that, like, I think on the Bachelor and Bachelor, there is still that need to say, hey, let me reassure you that you were chosen because I care about you. I love you. You were the one. And you were the one maybe for weeks. This just won't look that way. Since night one. Yeah, maybe. We've definitely had that conversation.

There was probably some times in there where you were like, oh, my God, is he going to be here for this whole thing? I think what's going on. Oh, absolutely. But that's where my point was going to is, Chalk, you, and I take, and I mean this is the biggest compliment to you. You don't seem to desire anything more than Joan. The show was great. The show was great.

Everything posts that is fun. I'm so glad you came tonight. I'm so glad to be able to meet you. I'm so glad to be able to share a drink with you. You don't seem like a guy that's out here going, what's next. Not at all. And so when you ended up on one knee with Joan there, the show ends, what has life looked like for you?

And what does this feel like for you personally since all this has happened? Well, Joan and I talked about it. There was some times it was they didn't show this, but we were talking about our future. From the happy couples to everything else. And I've got a business. I've got friends in Wichita. The good thing is my kids, my family doesn't live there anymore. Right.

So we're going to figure that out over the next year. year or two, what we're going to do. We're going to do a lot of traveling. But the thing is, if you love each other, you're going to make it work. Amen. Absolutely. And the good thing is, we don't, we're not in a kid-bearing age, so we don't have to worry about that. Our kids are out of the house, kind of. Yeah. Kind of. But we're just going to have fun and get it all worked out. And Joan is actually coming back to Wichita on the 18th. I am. And going to spend five days back in Wichita. I love Wichita. I love Thore. I've been there a bunch. I've been there a bunch.

I love throwing parties. We're going to have another party. So it's a lot of fun, but it was interesting. In New York City, we'd run into people. Everybody recognizes Joe. I'm known as that guy. Sure. They'll go, oh, hey, Joe, Joe.

Oh, and there's that guy. Trust me, buddy. Trust me, buddy. I love what you're saying. We all know that that's not true. But everyone does recognize Joe, but everyone recognizes you as well. But I think it's so nice. You and are talking about that outside.

Yeah. It's like you take the, you understand. Hey, man, I get it. This is the queen. And I'm going to be. whatever she needs to be. And I say I'm the reluctant delistter. Yeah.

I didn't want this. I don't need it. I've got a good career. You know, and it's fun. It's stepping outside of your box, your comfort zone. And to meet a lot of good people and to have fun.

And I'm at the point in my life where I can have a little bit fun and we can enjoy things. And Joan's incredible at this. She is. She loves people. And you have to love people to do this. And to embrace them. I've never seen one person that came up and said, can I get a picture and she's

turned them down. Right. And from New York. to D.C., to L.A., and it's been a lot of fun. And I'll just throw this out on the way out here. We flew differently because we live in different towns. And I said, how many people recognized? And she was, I probably took 50 pictures at the airport.

Not one person recognized me, and I was okay with that. I was. But I did get recognized today at Nordstrom's. Yeah. And you got recognized today by that lady in the parking lot who was just going crazy. Well, I think they recognized Joan, and they go, oh, that's that guy. Oh, no. That's not true.

I'm at a good point in my career where I've done all this. You know, I've been the alpha. I've done all this. And this is the reality. I want people to know this. Like, before we come out, I go, Joan, what do I need to wear? He does. I do dress.

Well, you guys do look stunning. You know, tell me what I need to wear. He's easy to dress. You're incredibly stylish. And yeah, of course he is. But Ben, I do want to talk about one thing, and it's pretty personal. Oh, no. Is that your cell phone charger?

Oh, man. We've already heard that because that's your first fight? It was your first fight. It was dominance of going, don't take my phone. My cell phone charger. I was like, where is my charger? And people need to know that because that's part of a real conversation, a real relationship. Yeah.

And it was interesting because we had talked about it before and I took it and oh my gosh, she was like, you don't take myself. I did not say it like that. And I was like, where is my. No, she goes, you don't take it. So we're a real couple. I could tell you. You get to that point where all of a sudden stuff is being said that you're like, wait,

we've made it past the nice zone. Yeah. She's not just all puppies. She's on it. Yeah. Now she's honest. She's scary right now. Don't take my damn charge.

Chuck, we don't want anything about that, do it? I, oh, that's all I know. Actually, yeah, you know. That's it. That's it. That's all. Kay, it's tough. Kay is tough.

She's the bad. I know this is your guys' show, but I do want to tell you, it's just an incredible experience because I wasn't looking for this. My daughter signed me up for it. I had no idea. Yeah. And it was kind of a little bit of an interpersonal challenge going, why not go do this? Yeah.

And then I wouldn't expect him to fall into love with Joan, but I will tell you, this is a 100% honest, is I told the producers, I go, if it's not Joan, I'm not going on. No kidding. And we've talked about a type. And I go, that's who I want to meet. And I was so lucky from Disneyland, it was over. It was absolutely over.

At least in my eyes. She had a couple of guys she had a chest. When you get into Club 33, that's next level. That's Walt Disney's home. Yes. And it's where his family stayed when they were in Disneyland. It was incredible. Did you get to see the bedrooms, the kids' bedrooms?

It did. Yes. So, yeah, there was a period. A button on the wall. And so Walt Disney wanted the bedrooms to be really special. Like their nighttime routine to be really special. So there's a button on the wall and you press the button and there's a girls and a boys' bedroom. And like the boys' bedroom has a train track running all along the ceiling.

And you press the button and all of a sudden there are stars all over the ceiling and it's huge tall ceiling. I saw the boys room. I don't think I saw the girls. Oh, the girls' room is like a jungle. It's the coolest thing ever. And so it like all these stars light up and the light slowly dim and then the train. starts going around the room doing like

it's a small world or some Disney song it's incredible and the girls is a jungle theme and she has wallpaper that's like big leaves and stuff and the lights go down and you start hearing

like chimpanzees making their sounds like all the jungle sounds and then the moon comes up in the sky it's absolutely it's magical I mean it's like Walt Disney

I love magical real quick if I may reference to bedrooms fantasy sweeps, I never saw one. Fantasy sweets, I never saw one. No, we didn't. She locked me out. This is your fantasy sweeps?

To this day. There we are, everybody needs to leave now. Everybody is to leave now. You're sitting in a bed here. So we had this great evening, and it was probably about 11.30, and we're kind of getting along real well. She goes, time for you to go. Yeah. And she met it.

I love it. Yeah, I did. It's a beautiful thing. And to close out here, if you I mean and this is the last question I want to ask you guys a little bit time Joan you mentioned that people fell in love with the franchise and I think Gary's season did a lot to give people hope

but it ended in a way that was unfortunate and not uncommon maybe for this franchise but if we were to put odds on this I'm a betting man I love the sports bet if we were put odds on the on just the chances at this moment in time that the two of you will be together years to come what would the odds be in your guys's mind i'm gonna say 100% yeah i'm good let's go i'm done i'm done this is my man and a lot of it too is i'm not going to say maturity but experience and everything we've been through in life and we've talked about it no one's perfect no one's perfect and you just we've made a

commitment and commitment keeps marriages and relationships together amen it does and i was talking to um When both people are committed. It was the other young ones that have three kids. It's tough. It is so tough at that age. And, you know, it challenges you. You don't sleep. You've got kids.

You make financial decisions. And for us, it's been pretty easy. But I'd say 100%. Absolutely. I can't wait. I mean, this is the best thing to see. I love you guys. Yeah.

It's so awesome. Well, excuse me, if I will say, as long as I don't take her cell phone charge. Yeah. It could be over. It could be over. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

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teach me a thousand things and I understand that but he said this in the last episode that I want to share with you based on the charger that you stole

you thiefing the daughter asks him dad how are you always right and he goes because I've always been wrong and I just learn

from my mistakes okay fair enough really good that's so good if we could have just a couple more seconds I gotta tell you

funny stories so we were we were going through an interview and one of the guys that podcast he said What's Jones' middle name?

We had talked about it, and I forgot it. And it's Yvonne. And afterwards, and it made the press. Yeah. It really made the press. Oh, my God. Chuck doesn't know their middle name. Yeah.

They can't really be real. What kind of relationship is this? The ABC guy goes, you're lucky it went on front page. But he goes, you know what the good thing about this is? You'll never forget it. That's right. Yvonne. I will never forget her name.

Never forget. What's Chuck's known? Jory. And I knew it. Okay. But what's his real first name? Oh, no, no, no. Don't answer that.

I know he doesn't want to answer that. I know he doesn't want anyone to know that. I'm not telling. Yeah. But, you know, guys. Chalking in time saves nine. Guys and Joan and all the fans, I've been very lucky on this, very lucky. And I know there's been, you know, it's just, I've just been blessed.

And we were very lucky that this happened to both of us. And the connection is real. I genuinely do. I always loved Joan and now I love you too. You're in trouble. See why I love people. I'm a huger, buddy. You're in trouble.

You're going to be getting hugged all this. I've been learning to hug. Ben knows. Oh, can we talk. talk about the next thing. We've got a little bit of time. Yeah. So in the Midwest, we hold hands. Okay. He's calling me out on all my faults. On

national podcast. Everybody in the world is going to know. Are you not a hand holder? Is it a Midwest thing? Is it me? Do I have an issue? I'm a big hand holder. But I don't need to intertwine. I just need to at least be hand. Touch. It's the touch.

I'm a big hand guy. He's a toucher. We're very cold people on the East Coast, apparently. You're going to loosen up. Yeah. I am. I am. He's going to bring out the best to you. I actually take his hand now sometimes. I'm like, I should hold his hand because he likes that. And he's a touch person.

So I do, like, I make an effort now because I know it's, like, important to him. But, like, we don't walk around holding hands. We don't walk through them all, holding hands. I will grab my wife's hand everywhere we walk, not even thinking about it because it's just automatic. We do. I love it. I absolutely. And I got some negative feedback being cringy because I touched her.

Like at Disneyland, I had my hand on her leg. And it wasn't sexual. You had negative feedback for that? Absolutely. You're a girl. Yeah, absolutely. And I love the touch. And it was natural.

Amen. I'm with you. I am a very affectionate person. And I was told once, and it was the best advice I ever got from a very reputable person, by the way, who said, get used to people commenting on your life while you live your life. Oh, yeah. Right? You're not sitting behind a computer keyboard tapping away at somebody else's life. You're living your own.

So embrace that. Do what you do. Don't let other people get in the way of that, right? Well, he said it to my kids. So he's like, do you, like, do you, like, sit to my daughter? Allie. He said, does Noah hold your hand? She goes, oh, I'd punch him. It's the craziest thing.

I mean, it's just, and I was told Joe, like it. I was at a friend of mine, we call it smoke signals. We get up and we pool his house. We're going to have drinks, cigars, that type of. His wife comes out and kisses him and hugs him. And it's just a different deal. If he just did that to me, I would have a heart attack. It might be a coastal thing because my wife's West Coast.

And she literally looks at me and she's like, oh my God, you don't have to kiss me every time you leave the rest. I'm like, I love it, though. I do. I love you. Hey, Joe, here's the truth to it. He cares about you so much that he wants to be as close to you as possible. And how sweet is that?

He's willing to take the heat. I feel really guilty. I feel like he is so kind and wants to like be like reinforce us all the time. And I am like this cold, awful East Coast. But it's not because I don't feel it for him. I truly do. I just like I probably, it's probably not my love language. It might not be.

I haven't ever read that stuff. And I know you guys have other people to talk to. but next time have us on your podcast I'm going to talk about Jones driving Oh, this could be an entire episode Absolutely

Z-SB-60 and 2.3 seconds We have places to go And they're very busy They're aggressive I'm like waving people through You know Oh, I let everybody change lanes in front of me

But when I'm in my lane I go Okay I'm not dilly dally Joan this is Obviously the baby shower And I know you have advice For me that you want to share

Hold on I was supposed to say that It's all right I got it I got that shock. He knows he needs it. He knows he needs it. Okay, so, okay, there's so much advice. Like, first one, like, call the grandparents every minute you get because they'll come running. But I remember a really distinct thing that all fathers need to know because it's a particularly big one with fathers. So, you know, you're having a girl. So it's not quite as prevalent, but there are a lot of body fluids when you have a baby. You know this, Bob. A lot of stuff ends up on you. And, like, don't. be cringy about it because it's going to happen. Not as much with the girl. Boys are the issue. But there's a thing that dads love to do. And it's the airplane thing. So they lay on their back and they put, you do this, right? You put your feet in the air and you put the baby like on your feet, like not until like 10 months or so, maybe a year, maybe and you

hold their hands and you do the airplane thing. And this is not an uncommon thing that happens. For some reason, fathers love to do this after the baby has had a big bottle or a big meal and you're pushing on their little, you're pushing on their little tummies, and they vomit. And the dads all seem to all have their mouth open. I've always done, yes. Did it happen to you? Oh, multiple things. Absolutely. Yeah. It's a thing. And I don't learn from my mistakes. I did it like 10 times. Yeah. So it's the airplane, baby's going to vomit in your mouth if you don't close your mouth. All right. That's an amazing. That honestly, you know, people are going to be like, you know, get sleep when you can. I'm telling you, you're going to have vomiting at your mouth unless you

your mouth and don't push in the belly. Mike's a little bit more love-based. See, how he looks so bad. What a loving, wonderful time. And I mentioned this, I mentioned this earlier,

especially when you have multiple kids, it's probably the toughest time in your life. I've been through almost everything. And it is tough and love your partner and understand them. And sit there and it's tough because you might go, hey, can you get up and change the baby?

Can you feed the baby? Be there for them. Give grace. Give grace. And it's just, It is, it's just so important to support the other person. And frankly, from a man's perspective, you've got to support them. Because we have no idea what they're going through.

For God's sake. Yeah. You found it. I love him. You hit a home run. Don't forget to laugh. Yeah. Because you'll be stressed.

And sometimes you'll get the giggles and let it happen. I got something to say. Like the baby, like vomiting all over you and your mouth, laugh because you need to have laughter because you're going to be tired. You're going to be aggravated. But also, and that's the, you've got to do that, but be supportive. and help that person, help your spouse, help your loved one, take turns, giving them bass in the tub, I mean, the tub or the sink and just be there. And it's tough. It was the toughest

part in my life, raising kids. It's just, it's different from zero to three to four years old. But I tell you, I excelled when they got older. I loved it when they were mobile. Well, that is generally where the dad comes in. That is where the dad takes over. I'm trying to be a big part of, of this zero to six phase because I'm old, you know? So it's like I'm trying to be like, you know, a little more hands on in that regard and give Canyon a break because she's got it all. Yeah. I was going to say, I, about the kind of, well, both you said, the laughing thing I think is the greatest advice. It is so fun, right?

Because I know you know this story about me, but when we moved from Seattle back to Detroit, we flew back. My dog was a children's hospital dog sat at our feet, babies in arms with Canyon and she's momming it up like a million percent like she always does. and our dog stayed the night at our friend's place the night before and had an accident on the plane

not just one but two explosive diarrhea it was tragic guys tragic I went through every bottle of water they had

I went through all the first class napkins because I got upgraded because I fly a lot it was insane I come back Canyon hadn't seen a movie in so long

because she'd been up every night with a baby she's watching wrestling with my family starring Dwayne the Rock Johnson not a plug just the truth tears. She's eating my ravioli. I'm like, our dog, shit the plane. And she's like, well, so did

your son. Take them. Take both of them. Oh my God. So I'm in the, now I'm in the bathroom, changing a diaper, and he's wiping things on me. And I'm losing my mind. I looked in the mirror, and I'll never forget it as long as I live. And I'm like, I used to be kind of cool. What happened in my life? We've all, we've all looked in the mirror and go, excuse me, what the fuck happened to my life? I used to be kind of cool. I come out of the bathroom. Cania's looking at me. she's got tears watching wrestling with my family starting Dwayne the Rock

it's not his best work and I go hey P.S. why you spit in my eye and get the whole family DNA as a full jump and it was like the worst slash best day ever

because we laughed our asses off the last two hours of place and we land and it's like people are making fun of me on the radio about it I started hearing about it it was horrible slash funny and it was one of those things

that it made us closer as a family because you go through these moments and it's only moments you can share in these moments. No one can invent this stuff. This doesn't happen. We had one of the pediatrician office. So Nick was like four days old.

We bring the pediatrician. And he's like, take out the diaper. I'm going to weigh the baby. He walks out of the room. We take the diaper off and he immediately pees right in John's face and then all over the wallpaper. Oh yeah.

He had saved it up for that. There was peevee everywhere. This is the funniest thing. We laughed and laughed. The pediatric came in. He's like, something's wrong with these people. I know you guys got to wrap up. My other question is,

service dogs? How big was your dog? Well, she was a 45-pound yellow lab, very small, very small yellow lab. Children's Hospital dog. I flew with her so much. She never had a problem until that one time with our baby on the plane, his first flight. And it was tragic. People walked off that plane hating me.

And I'm standing there because dads are pack mules. Get ready to be a pack mule. You're no longer the bachelor guy in first class. Oh, no, you're not cool. No, you are not cool. You know, you're like, for this point forward goes way downhill. You're going to be standing there. You're going to be a pack mule walking off with a stroll.

and she's going to be glamorous because she's gorgeous just going to be gorgeous walking off with the beautiful baby and you're going to be the guy behind her with like 18 items on your shoulders guys I have full expectation that I will not be cool

you're so humble this has been the best time I'm so happy for the two of you we want to celebrate the two of you and just you know I wanted to talk to the two of you for a long time because I think you guys are great and this makes me so happy to see

we can't wait to celebrate you and celebrate everything going on tonight as we get outside. But we do have to wrap. This has been the almost famous podcast. Sorry to interrupt, but I want to say good luck. I appreciate that.

It's a new chapter of your life. You're going to love it. Thank you. You're going to have three or four of them. Chuck, you're my guy, man. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. With that, I've been Ben, we'll be out.

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This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Eumanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

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