The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Beyond the Bachelor: Eli Young Band

Episode Date: May 13, 2024

Susie Evans is back to take you into the stories that grow deeper than the final rose! She’s hanging out with Mike and Jon from Eli Young Band to hear what it was like to become part of Bachelor Nation. They take us through their memories of playing on Sean Lowe’s season, we hear how the franchise changed their career, and we get the honest truth on life as touring musicians!  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is Almost Famous, Beyond the Bachelor, with Susie Evans. Thank you guys so much for joining us today on Beyond the Bachelor. This is your host, Susie Evans. Today we are joined by Mike Eli and John Jones from the Eli Young Band, who performed on Sean Lowe's season of The Bachelor. It's been a few years since you guys were on The Bachelor. Is that right? Yeah, it feels like a long time ago.

It was Sean Lowe's season. I'm curious, reflecting back on your performance during Sean Lowe's season, what was maybe the most memorable or unexpected thing you saw, whether it was like behind the scenes or after the show came out? I'm curious. I mean, at the time, we had just come off of a big number one for us. It was kind of one of the biggest songs that we had ever had. And even if it breaks your heart was kind of the follow-up to that.

But we had done all the big shows. We had done all the late nights, all the tonight shows, the things, and the morning shows and all that. And so doing The Bachelor was kind of a new thing for us. but I don't think that we realize the cultural impact that it had already made and how much of an impact it was going to make on us and our songs. And I know that James, our guitar players, mentioned it quite a few times, but after you do all these really cool things, you play all this cool stuff, you play The Bachelor, and everyone is calling you because they say,

sell you on The Bachelor. And so, you know, it was probably one of the most impactful things that we had done at the time. Wow. That's really cool. Actually, that was kind of one of my questions later on as well was like, did this impact your careers in any way? But it sounds like it did kind of take things to another level or just, I think the fandom of Bachelor Nation, like people really underestimate it. And I mean, people can either get the wrath of Bachelor Nation or it can be a really positive thing for you, but I'm glad it was a positive thing for you guys. So it sounds like it was a really good thing. I think it moved the needle on even if it breaks your heart more than anything that we had done

around that time. Yeah, just exposure to a wider audience than just, you know, like the country world. It was awesome. That's really cool. And I know obviously I'm a country fan as well, but I know a lot of country is love or romantic, but I feel like you guys have some really iconic like love songs. So it really was the perfect mashup between Bachelor and Eli Young band. So that's pretty cool.

When you guys were there, so you were on Ashley Fraser's date. Did you guys, was it a live audience or was it a private one-on-one performance for the two people, for the couple? It was a very small audience. So they were at Six Flags Magic Mountain, and the whole park was closed down for him that day, which was kind of a surreal experience to be at a theme park. that's totally shut down. But they were there with a couple of girls that had like chronic illnesses. And so they were there to give them a really neat experience

for the day, which made for, you know, an interesting kind of a different kind of a date. So the performance was really just for, not just for the two of them, but you know, for them and the girls they were there with. Which we did a song called Even If Breaks Your Heart, which isn't, it's not so much a love song, but it's more of like pursue your dreams at all, at all cost,

type of a thing, which I think made more sense than a love song. given, you know, what their date was all about. Yeah, that's actually really amazing. So Catherine and Sean ended up together on the show. Did you guys watch the season back by chance? Like, have we watched it since then? Yeah, like when the show aired, did you guys watch the full season?

We casually followed it. I'm not going to say that. The four of us sat down on the bus and watched it, you know, front to back. But we've stayed in touch with Sean and everything, everything turned out great for him. That is so cool. Yeah, I'm so curious. Did you guys think after your date, did you think that reality dating was more legit? Or did you, or were you like, oh, this was a little bit, like, did it feel scripted?

I feel like that's one of the biggest questions people ask me is, is The Bachelor scripted? And it's not scripted. But did it feel more real or less real after performing on a date? I think it became more real later once we hung out with Sean and Catherine after the fact, after they were still together for a while. And we realized that there were actual real connections that are made on the show. Yeah. And honestly, I think that the filming that day, I mean, a lot of our job, which in TV, it's a lot of hurry up and wait.

And so there was a lot of just, you know, kind of wait. for the date to progress to where we did the song. But it was haphazard enough that it definitely felt like it was all unscripted and just kind of, you know, flowing. And so we kind of had to be prepared for that. I think we left with a sense of reality dating is not for us. But it did feel real. I think that when we visited with them and that night after playing for them, it did, it felt very real to us. you know but you know

that's cool that's good insight I do think that's one of the biggest questions people ask when you've whether you're a producer on the show or you've been on the show or if you've entertained on the show people are always like is it scripted is it real and obviously it's produced but it's not scripted

so that's that's cool insight and were you both married at the time when you performed on the show yes you both were married were you what um this is is like a general question for other people but what is some general advice for people that are looking for love whether it's on reality TV or in the real world as two people that have been

in love and are married find someone that gets you and can put up with you and for us being in a band I think a big thing for us in our careers is trying to find that balance but always working to find that balance and not like assuming that everything is going to be fine at home and you can just go on the road and you know that be your life like it's all it's it's it takes dedication

from both people and just really wanting to share your life together and constantly figuring out what that means and trying to be on the same page and I'm from me I would think without sounding too cliche but do I think listen and then you listen again

and then before you talk, you listen one more time and then think and then talk. I think that there's a lot of thought and care that needs to go into any relationship in the beginning and also when you're 20 years in, you know, I think that a lot of care and thought and a lot of listening. That's really, those are really good, that's really good insight. I feel like with The Bachelor as well, it's so kind of over the top with their dates. And I mean, they're literally getting a one-on-one performance from you guys. I feel like people can't emulate that in the real world.

But as silly as it isn't kind of cliche, I also think it's like find ways to make life special, even when it's mundane or, you know, you're in a routine. I think that the Bachelor is a good reminder of like you can find little ways to do something special for your person. And I'm curious when you guys were approached to do the show, you did the show, did it influence any element of your songwriting? Did that romance, like, spark anything or inspire anything in the future of songwriting for you guys? I don't know. I mean, I think everything we do has some type of influence. but I can't necessarily say that it necessarily produced any song in particular,

but we do tend to be sponges and our outlook on reality dating shows changed after we did the Baster, so I think that, sure, I mean, it did. I just don't know if I can recall exactly what. I think it was really cool that Sean kind of introduced us to Ashley's like, this is my favorite band, which is like, oh, that's cool. I hope that wasn't scripted. But, you know, we live in the Dallas, Fort Worth area. That's where we started the band.

That's where we still are. And that's where they live in Dallas now. So it's kind of, you know, it's really cool to think about the fans that you make in the beginning and like how you can take them on that journey through your career. That's really cool. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

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So, I mean, and we were kept into, at the time, we were so busy because we were in the middle of really, really hitting the road and promoting a very big record for us. So, but they made sure that we knew exactly what was going on. And like our guitar player has mentioned many times, like the amount of people that come out of the woodworks after you do something like The Bachelor, maybe they knew we were in this band or whatever, like Second Cousins, aunts, uncles, whatever. And then you're on The Bachelor and you have now made it. You are now famous. That was the thing. So that let us know how many people were really, really into The Bachelor. Yeah.

Yeah, it's interesting. But like I said, Bachelor Nation, they are wild. And it's a good thing. And it's a good thing that, yeah, that they go so hard for the show and stuff like that. And it sounds like you guys have a really great support system. How has your family contributed to the journey of just being in the music industry? It sounds like you guys have been on a wild ride. And I can't imagine how hectic and stressful and just jam-packed your schedules can be.

So how is your family and wives and loved ones supported you guys? I think it takes a lot of understanding. understanding. You know, I know that there's a certain point where they, they know what they signed up for a little bit. But as time goes on, it really takes a lot of commitment and understanding to what comes along with this life we chose of being artists. You know, it's a passion thing, you know. I mean, you know, you have this love for the road and this love. for playing shows but sometimes it takes you away from this other thing that you love and that's you know your home and family and your kiddos and so it's a balance it takes a balance and so there's

um our support system um has to understand us and and why we do it but also um understand that uh that that that we're doing our best to find the balance that that that keeps um makes sure we're good fathers, we're present fathers, we're here, we take overnight flights to make sure that we're at ball games and those things. And we're going to do that to make sure that we have a healthy, you know, lifestyle at home and on the road. Yeah, when we started 23 years ago, we were all in college and we were doing it for pretty selfish reasons. Honestly, I mean, it was so much fun. And we just wanted to get our music out there and be on the road and you know be willing to play for free beer whatever it was and i feel like

as those years have gone on we've all settled down and between the four of us we've got nine kids um 11 and under um that's kind of shifted our reason for for being you know like we it means we have to be gone to support them and still follow our dreams but they have become the reason that we do it i mean And that means that we play, you know, a few less shows than we used to or that we could. We say no to more things now because it is, it's finding that balance. And I think we grew up in the era of like, you know, VH1 Behind the Music with all of the stories of marriages and bands that just ended in ruin and wreck and families, you know, left in the dust there. And we don't want to be those guys. We never did.

we want to find a way to make it all work to be the, you know, the success story. And that's, um, it's, it's always a work in progress. But it's, it feels like being on the road is more fulfilling when you're coming home to a family, um, that's settled and, and, and feels loved and all those things. That's so cool. I can imagine what it must feel like for you guys when your family or your kids come to a show, but I also can't imagine what it must feel like to be your kid to look up and see your dad performing.

Like, that has to be such an incredible, cool experience. I don't know how old are your kids? My oldest is about to turn 12. So she's kind of the one that, like, you know, she grapples a little bit with that as some of her friends kind of realize. you know, who we are and who her dad is. And so sometimes, you know, something that she grew up with, I mean, she learned to walk on a tour bus, you know.

And so it's very normal for her. And then when her friends tell her how not normal that is, you know, and now that she's 12, it's a different thing. But I think she's more so than my other kiddo. He's about to turn six, but she's been bit by the bus. you know so she's like she loves music and performing and she's been getting up on stage with us since she was little and she loves being in front of thousands of people it's it makes her happy so yeah my 11-year-old son could care less he acts that way and i get it's fine but yeah my son and

his his daughter are the same age and they were the they were the original two band kids so they really um they're like best of friends because they really grew up at a time when we only had a couple kids, we could bring them out on the road a lot. Now that there's a whole bus full of kids, it's a little bit harder. So we kind of pick and choose what shows they come to. My seven-year-old daughter actually introduces me to most people as this is John Jones from the Eli Young Band, not this is dad. We'll see how that all turns out. But she, yeah, she thinks it's awesome. Oh, that's really cool. Yeah, it's got to be, it probably is really normal in some sense, because they, if they grew up around it, but I'm sure someday, even if right now, they're like,

yeah, this is my life. This is normal. I'm sure someday they're going to look back and be like, that was so iconic. Like, my dad is the coolest dad in the world. That is, like, that is so cool. Even if it doesn't, it's just normal to them now. You just know someday they're going to have that realization. What age do you think that's going to happen when our kids say, you guys are so cool?

I think maybe it'll go this way and then that way. Yes. I think it'll, I think when you're young, like your parents can't do anything. that's really cool. So I think it'll be like 18 to 23. They'll be adults and they'll look back and they'll be like, oh my gosh. I can see it already. I feel like that's how it's going to go. It'll be a really cool thing to look back on. But when you're in the moment, it's just normal. Like it's just their life. But that is really cool. And I wanted to ask, so you said the two is the two oldest, did they both play instruments and dabble in music? Or does everyone in the family kind of do

something in music. I know both of our kids, the oldest ones, they both love music. But I think that they were so just entrenched on the road with us, it was just surrounding them. So Klein, like, she's a little, she's a little musician. So she's just ready to move on to guitar. She's playing piano great. And they have both of our kids, actually all of our kids have the same piano teacher who's really great at instilling, you know, the passion in them that they already kind of had, but nurturing it even more. But she's definitely, she wants it. So she's, she had the lead and the musical here recently where we saw her perform and she, she loved the accolades. I mean, she was a little bit of a little diva, which, which I love, but in a good way. Yeah. Yeah. It's a

thrill being on stage and even being on The Bachelor and the live shows and stuff like that. Like, it's such a thrill. So, I mean, it's pretty cool that they're interested and good at it too, you know? That's awesome. Yeah, I think, I think something that obviously we're, you know, make music for a living. But we all definitely agree that having some kind of base and foundation of music can be very helpful just in life, even if it's not something you pursue or play your whole life, the way that it kind of wires your brain learning piano.

It's like learning a foreign language at a young age. And if you start young, you just take it all in without really realizing it. So I think we all have our kids playing music at a young age, and they may never do anything with it. But I think it's important and we'll serve them well. You never hear of someone saying, I am so glad that I stopped playing piano after a couple of years because I hated it. It's usually I really wish I would.

would have stuck with it or I really wish I would have really learned to play the guitar. So if it takes a little poking and prodding, again, I think when they're a bit older, they will appreciate having some of that music knowledge. Yeah, absolutely. And like you said, it's probably good for the brain, you know? Like, I feel like to be able to, to be able to play an instrument, it's got to be so good for your mental health and everything like that. And you guys all live in the same area.

into in is it north texas yeah df w are you okay um and you all came together in college but are some of you relate you some of you are related no uh no it's we're all fraternity brothers uh in college and so like mike is technically he's my little brother uh okay back in those days so sometimes he still introduces me as his big brother gotcha My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

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I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a company? comedy club. I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime

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than just friends and coworkers at this point. Is that how it feels when you're all together back in Texas as well? Do you guys get together and do the kids all hang out and stuff like that? Yeah, we try to do as much as we can. I think that's one of the things that with us, like, because we spend so much of our time out on the road together, we have to, we try to make sure that when we come home, that we find the times to get the kids together so that they, you know, spend some time together. So, but it is really neat, like, especially Hudson and Klein, the two oldest,

because they spent so much time together early, they have this kind of really special connection. So they get really excited about seeing each other. And so, and I think for the most part, all the kids really have this admiration for each other and get excited. And so they'll have their piano recital and we're doing like a piano recital all together. And so that is kind of a neat moment where they get to do it, you know,

and perform for each other, you know? Yeah. It's really cool. I know, so we're coming to the end here, but I know that the entertainment industry in general has a lot of highs and lows, really no matter what you're doing in entertainment, You know, sometimes careers are booming. Sometimes they have lulls and things like that.

I'm curious, how is it that you guys have overcome some of those tougher times or the challenges that you face in your careers? Like, what are some of the things that you guys have done to either cope with that? Or how do you move past that and reinvent yourself and keep moving forward? Sometimes, I mean, there's no other choice. I feel like our highs have been high, but compared to some other artists, not that high. And our lows have been low,

but compared to other artists, you know, not like debilitating. I'd say when it comes to song choice and singles and that kind of cycle, we realize that we only have so much control over that. And just got to keep on moving on to the next thing. And it's always going to be our live show that kind of sustains us. And when you have a single that kind of hits it radio,

all that goes up quite a bit. But when it's not, I think we have enough of a fan base where it never dips down too low. It's just kind of the exposure you get changes. The biggest thing I think for us to cope with was honestly COVID. And everybody has their own stories and how they did that. But, you know, our world just shut down for quite a while. But luckily, we had been a band for enough years before that, that we were able to kind of weather that storm and, you know, come out swinging.

But the four of us doing it together, I think has always been helpful. It's a really tough industry to navigate, and people that do it on their own have a lot of respect for because not having other brothers, you know, yeah, support system, people to bounce off of people to lift you up when you're down. You know, I think that would be one piece of advice if you're out trying to do something like this is don't surround yourself with yes people but surround yourself with honest people that will help bring you up when you need it and i think because they care about you you know so i think i think we were always realistic i think that we always would try to um when the highs are high you know

don't don't spend all your money and when the lows are low you have money to spend you know i think that that one of the biggest things that that is a stress to artists is because they run out of money and that's you know in the financial side of things is like uh uh you know can tear a band apart yeah i mean it's it's kind of like i mean in a way it's like the bachelor like talking about these you know extreme dates and and the environment and these really great things to go do it's reality tv but it's not real life like you look at people you think you know celebrities musicians and uh the instagram post and that's that's a version of life but it's not real life but it's not real life and people that I think it's it's nice to escape into that and find those little moments like

you were talking about but don't buy into all of it and think that that's what you have to make your life look like all the time because that that can that's not going to last very long and it also doesn't you know it's great to have these really cool moments but trying to do all the time doesn't really bring you happiness you know absolutely and it sounds like you guys have a a really solid fan base. Do you guys have a favorite memory with a fan, like a fan encounter or maybe a Bachelor fan encounter where somebody knew you from The Bachelor and met you in person?

Do you guys have a funny moment or a favorite moment like that? So many, but. Yeah, well, I think it was when Sean came out to the first show after the season, it was, it's interesting, the kind of the different kind of celebrity that you become after being on a show like The Bachelor. And so it's like, does the energy in the room gravitate towards the band that you're there to see?

So much of it gravitates over towards Sean, the guy who's famous in The Bachelor, which is really kind of funny. And you realize that there's different types of celebrity. And we're the kind of guys that we love being on stage, but we don't necessarily always like the spotlight on us. So it's really great when we're sharing that kind of space with someone that, oh yeah no go over there talk to him we're good yeah yeah he's over there yeah that's awesome well that's really cool um and do you guys have any projects coming up

that you want to share with people um either like personal or professional things that you have on the horizon well we we just released a deluxe edition of our 10,000 town's record which has a few songs that hadn't been released before um and then you know that song had that song We had a drunk last night and does some big songs for us, but we released some unreleased songs for the deluxe edition, and it was the first time we've done vinyl on that album. And we released a record not too long ago called Love Talking, which was a really fun record to make because we wrote all those songs during COVID. And so it was a very interesting time to try to stay positive, but there's also some really

vulnerable moments on the record as well. And we just started a new record that hopefully we're going to start releasing songs from here in the next few months. Oh, and then Tom Petty, we were part of the Tom Petty tribute record. We did a song called Learning to Fly, which is a song that we've been playing for years in our live show. And so we were able to be a part of the Tom Petty Tribute record, which is really, really fun for us. That's it. I didn't have an answer for any of that. It turns out we've got a few things going on. Yeah, you guys have a lot going on.

But the new music that we're going to start rolling out, we just started recording back at the studio that we started at in Denton, Texas, where we went to college. And it's this really awesome studio that feels like home going back there. And we're getting some really neat stuff out of all that. And we can't wait to share that with the world. Wow, very cool. Well, thank you guys so much for joining us on Beyond the Bachelor. it's really cool to hear the behind the scenes and just to get to know you guys a little bit better your personal lives and what you've got going on in your careers so thank you guys for

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