The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Big Bachelor Energy

Episode Date: February 1, 2023

Ashley and Jared are here to recap this week’s episode of The Bachelor as Zach continues his quest for love! Jared and Ashley hold nothing back, and are critical of The Bachelor “formula”. Does it work??   Did Briana deserve America’s first impression rose??   And… who in Bachelor Nation has BDE??See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcasts with IHeart Radio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. I think you're going to get a lot of podcasts from us this week. We're having this big to do with a lot of Bachelor Nation in Carmel, California. So watch out for all those. But we couldn't leave you without a recap podcast of episode two of Zach's season. So here I am with my husband, Jared. Hello.

I'm filling in for Ben. It's the story in my life. I feel like I'm B minus Ben Higgins. You know what I mean? That's just because you feel like you would have been like the third choice on your season to become the Bachelor. Yeah. Yeah, if they were ballsy enough to go with Nick, which I still am not convinced of. So you think that you were the second place?

I think you may have been a toss up. You were perfect paradise lead material, babe. Well, that's very sweet. And plus, I would have been a terrible bachelor, especially at that time of my life. You would have been way too guilt-written. I mean, it would have been good TV, but I would have been, yeah, indecisive, guilt-ridden. And I would definitely have not ended up with the girl I picked 1,000%. That's because I was waiting for you.

Exactly. Okay. Because Bachelor Nation had it destined that we would be together. Yeah, exactly. And create Dawson. Yeah. Happy birthday to Dawson, by the way. Happy birthday to our baby.

We're recording this on January 31st. One year old. We cannot believe it's been a year. That's the fastest year of my life, hands down craziness. Yeah. You know how people are like the best year of your life? It definitely wasn't the best year of our life. You're saying that most people think the first year of having a kid is the best.

I don't know that. So they always say. Who says that? people say it in Instagram captions. That's Instagram captions. But you don't think it's ever true. No. I think, no.

I don't think that's true. One aota. I feel like every person, because for the first few months, I mean, when you meet a parent who has a four-month-old, what's the first thing you say? I know what...

I'm tired? When you meet them, not if you meet someone else who has a four-year-old. Yeah, exactly. Are you sleeping? How are you doing? Yeah.

Because, of course, you know, like, hey, it's a struggle. No one says it's the best year of a life. I love Dawson more than anything. I would die for that. He is our best. He is our favorite part of our lives. A thousand percent. Yeah, he's our favorite human in the world. But that doesn't mean that every moment with him is just rainbows and butterflies. Yeah, it's a grind. Are you loving every minute? No, of course not. And so, no, the first year, you know. But like, we are, I mean, I hate that I even have to, like, excuse it by saying like, but we just let you know. We You're so in love and obsessed with him.

No, we just got to do more things with him together. We've talked about that. I want to do that every day of our lives. I know. It's just hard. It will. I feel confident that this year will be much better with Audrey's slowing down a little bit in terms, hopefully not business-wise, but with me having to be there so much, hopefully

I can take a step back and you and I can do more things together. And then also I can have some sanity in my own life. You can have sanity in your own life as well. So we have like this, we have no idea what to do with this kid at this age. So please send us things to do because obviously in the summertime in Rhode Island, plenty of things to do. In the winter? What are you supposed to do with a kid? I don't think there's anything. You can, with a one-year-old, you can only do something for like an hour and a half and then your day's over. Yeah, but it's okay because it's the highlight of my day. And I think it's the highlight of his day too.

But that's my point. We could do anything. What can we do that? Anything. Like what? Tell me something. We could, I don't, I mean, I could think of something if I looked at an itinerary, but We're in L.A. We could go to the San Diego Zoo. Of course, we're in L.A. There's plenty of things to do in L.A. Yes.

It's all weather dependent, unfortunately. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. What can we do in a cold weather territory? Boston Museum. I would love to go to the area with him. What I'm saying is we could do that. But again, as a parent, especially if you're out there listening with kids, you know,

it's a ticking time bomb. So you're like, okay, we'll have a good hour and hour and a half, you know, before they melt down and see if we can get through the melt down. and, you know, feed them and change them and, you know, calm them down or get them a nap or, you know, it's just all, it's, you get a good hour. Your entire day is revolving around their meltdowns. Like, okay, how much time do we have before she starts hitting the fan? Yeah. So for everyone out there, we've been pretty honest. Like, I don't love living in Rhode Island. So, yeah, it's a big problem, guys. It's like a really big problem.

It's a little bit of a problem. It's becoming more of a problem as time goes on. I think, As we, it's getting worse and it's like encroaching on the two year point, which people say once you hit two years, you actually know whether you can consider that place home. I think once the weather gets better, it will help. I just don't think that's the solve. That's not going to solve it. I don't think so. So we got to figure out a way to solve this. But this is obviously a conversation for another time. We did want to do a little host chat. But this is what I want to do. You guys pressure Jared out there because there's a couple. things that I want to do in the next, I'm going to say, I'm going to give us two months to do these things, okay? And I'm going to help, is this annoying to have the audience, keep you accountable? I love having people pressure me into things. This is great. Can't wait. Okay. So what I want to do is I want to go to the Boston Aquarium because that is, he just flinked. Oh, no, no. Because I went there

as a kid all the time. Yeah, we can go. So like, I want the pictures of me. me and Dawson side by side at that age. That makes sense. And then I also want to go to the cheers bar and put him up on your shoulders the way my dad did. Yeah, we should just do a Boston trip at some point.

Yeah, there's a Boston trip. That's what I'm saying, Boston trip. And then an ice skating date. Yeah. And then I want to go to Titanic and theaters with you. Why with me? I thought you wanted to go see you with Lauren. I don't think you're going to be able to see it with Lauren.

That would mean like Lauren would have to go next week to Rhode Island. All right. All right. We'll talk about that Titanic thing at a later day. Come on. Oh, no. If Superman, the 1978 version came out.

I would go see that with you in theaters. Yeah. And don't even say that it's different. It's totally comparable because I enjoy the 1978 Superman the way that you enjoy Titanic. Of course, Titanic is a great film. I don't deny this.

A film that your son is named after. Yeah. Okay. This is true. All right. We are just like everybody know that like this little like banter back and forth this is just Jared's natural like enjoyment too in life.

He like loves to be, he just loves to kind of argue. I do. You do. I think that's one of the reasons why Aaron Sorkin is my favorite screenwriter, the guy that we were just talking about. Because a lot of his dialogue is back and forth and misunderstanding and disagreement and

then confusion. I enjoy that type of talk. This is his way to communicate and connect. It's by just like going back and forth like a ping pong. I love that. It's one of my favorite things. I know. See?

So a lot of people out there would probably interpret that as like, oh, they're always annoyed. They're always going back and forth. But that's like kind of Jared's love language. Yeah. Someone who can keep up with me. Can I keep up with you though? Of course you can.

Yeah. Sometimes I feel like I'm a far worse arguer than you. Oh, I am. Like you are Mr. lawyer. You are a lawyer. You can make, you can just talk your way into making a point so well.

I disagree. And it's, no, you know that it's because you are, you're so good at being, contrarian that like you can truly argue a point that is not your own opinion so well. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Because I don't have opinions myself. What do you mean? Is you do? I do, but I can, I see everybody's sides of things. And that's why you and Nick have a fun and also heated time

together all the time because you two will literally like, you can, hours. You can just go back and forth fighting about something that you don't even believe in. Yeah. You guys can like switch stances and just continue at it. It's fantastic. but what I was going to say is what I do in my argument not arguments but in my just everyday life is I don't try to prove my point I try to disprove yours that is so true you definitely do that do you do that intentionally like when you are arguing with me you're like no I'm just going to flip this honor I mean I definitely see my side of the street more so than yours when I'm if I'm arguing a point most of the time I cave honestly I mean most of the time it's like whether or not we remembered each other saying something. Yeah. But again, yeah, I mean, I, uh, very similar to being in a courtroom. I don't try to prove my point as much as just poke holes in yours. So there's, you know. Yeah. Well, that's, that's like why you're so good and could be in the courtroom. Maybe. Anyway. Think you have so many talents. Oh, that's not true at all. That you really could have pursued.

I feel like I sound very tired right now. You are always tired. I'm very mellow. I'm very mellow. I know. I just, I'm so over here. being mellow guys because he used to be like that's but you know that that's why we got together because you had like so much passion because all we would talk about when we first together would be tom brady rob thomas sports and when we first got together no maybe the beginning of our friendship but that's what i mean that's what drew you so much to me was that was like what do you like oh i can tell you i could talk about what i like all day and night i guess so but now we just you know I mean, how many times you want him here to hear me?

I don't know, babe, but I really do think that, like, you got to find more excitement or something. Because when you're mellow, you're not actually just mellow. It's always something is on your mind. Yeah. You live in Audrey's land in your head. Well, that's true. You guys, he doesn't leave Audrey's when he's not there.

He's still there in his head. Of course. I mean, any business owner could tell you that. It's tough. You know, I mean, Audrey's does a very good business, but it's very expensive to run. So it's not really making money. So it's just hard to...

I feel like... Again, we got it in an episode, but 15 more seconds on this. Certainly, I don't feel like a failure by any stretch, but I'm getting nervous. I'm getting nervous for us. He's such not a failure. Like, he's done such a good job.

And the place is always busy. That's why it's hard to explain to people. It's not hard to explain. Any business can understand that there's just certain budgets and percentage, you know, of spending that you need to do for labor and failure.

and liquor. And we try to, we keep those numbers and we try to keep them down as much as possible, but our overhead is very expensive. If you've been to our establishment, first of all, thank you for coming. But secondly, you can tell that it's a pretty beautiful space. And so it costs a lot to run and get gas and electricity and prices are up and food prices are up. And, you know, I try to pay my employees as much I possibly can because I've been on the other side. And I want people to have a decent living wage. And that matters to me a lot. So it's hard. It's hard to balance all those and also run a business that makes profit that you can keep your doors open. So it's, it's a lot. But I think this year will be fine. We'll have, we'll have more time.

You'll be less mellow. I can't promise that. Jared, you're not a naturally mellow person. Mellow man. No, not mellow man. Melo man. He's like the phases of Jared. He went from my love man to what was Paradise supposed to be. They didn't hear it. A more man. A more man. And they didn't air it. Okay. And now he's mellow, man. I was running around the streets in Providence for my intro package with a green shirt with a red heart that had the N.A. in it for a mortar man.

That's so funny. I know. Well, they did not go that direction with you because they had it make you look like the heartbroken, leading man of paradise. There was a couple hearts that were broken this evening in Bachelor land. So let's get to that right after this break. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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And we're back to recap episode two of Zach's season. So, Jared, where do we begin? Like, what even was the first scene? First scene. Let me ask you a broad question first. Okay. What do you, in all the Bachelor seasons, you know, everyone is usually first night's limo night

and then episode two, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah. There's a formula. Yeah. What do you think the worst episode is in general? Well, I think the most predictable and therefore, sometimes the most boring, can be night one. But then I also think those... So, do you think, so for example, you find more interest in episode two than you do episode one, just because you're meeting the girls?

Yes, I think so. Yes. Typically, I think I like two more. And then for some reason, if we're looking at patterns, I think three dips down to boring again. And then for, we maybe start like really no names and we really see connections and yeah interesting what do you think you think episode two is boring you thought it was super boring no i don't think it was super boring i just i'm curious about you know the the formula of the bachelor and the bachelorette there is definitely obviously a formula and so i always think about that i wonder what people look forward to the most and then least look forward to does it look does it work well that there is a formula or are we just hired of the formula?

It needs to be changed. I can't answer that question because I'm not the person that watches this season, you know, season after season after season. Yeah. So there are people out there

who have seen every season who are loyal bachelor fans. And first of all, if you're listening to that podcast and you are that fan, thank you. Because even though you may have said mean things about us in the past,

we don't care because you are very supportive and loving. And without you, there'd be no, Audrey's and no show and maybe no Dawson. And that was very sincere. So thank you.

Um, but moving forward from that, there are people who watch this show religiously. Like I've watched, it's tough also because we're part of it now. So I just kind of look at it in a different lens. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. It's, it's, yeah, of course it's hard because it's like, oh, I saw, you know, whoever say the exact same. It's just, you know, it's different characters, but pretty much same premise. Okay. So I don't remember the first scene, but I do. The first scene was them going into the... We're moving into the... Oh, we're moving in. Yeah.

Oh, we're moving in. And on TV, it does seem silly. It is silly. But in real life, it was really exciting. Well, of course it's exciting. You're moving into the Bachelor Mansion because it's such a... Truly iconic.

Yeah, it's iconic. It's the Bachelor Mansion. You know, you're moving in. You made it. You're there for at least a couple nights. You made it past night one. Yeah. That's very exciting. So they're moving in. All good things.

Jesse Palmer comes in and does the awkwardness that the host always does which they go around the room how is your connection? How is your connection? Who do you know? Because it's just

it's such a competition show. It's so weird because everybody's like, I think my connection is good. I think my connection is good and then of course they focus on on the girls like oh, she said her connection's good.

I don't think my connection is that's good or like oh, I didn't get to spend time with him. I didn't kiss him. That person kissed him. But anyway, so that was the first scene. Well,

that's basically that we have two people going through that in this episode. Gabby and Brianna. Gabby, we see a little bit more towards the end of the episode, but she has that, you know, she's just so concerned that they're not getting there yet, but it's week two. Week two. It's the second day. Yeah, it's the second day.

It's literally the first day after she met him. Because when you move into the Bachelor Mansion, the day after night one. So literally the day after she met him, they're already to a slow start. And then Brianna, I think she's feeling behind in a sense because America loved her enough

to give her the first impression rose but she hasn't really she doesn't feel like she's gotten anything from Zach and in her first sit down conversation with him during the group date she's like I'm having a tough time right now because what did she say she was having a tough time?

I think I understand where she's coming from because she got America's Rose. Yeah but it wasn't like the girls were hating on her. No, but she was probably secretly hoping that Zach would show her a little extra special attention on 9-1. He didn't. So she probably got let down and insecure after that. Granted, we'll talk about her actions later on in the episode, which were ridiculous. Ridiculous. You mean at the Rose Ceremony Cocktail Hour? Yeah, where she was taken that, I'd forget the blonde's name. We'll get that later. We'll get that later. Yeah,

there's a lot of blondes this season. But yeah, I mean, I can understand why Brianna was feeling insecure at that moment because she probably felt pretty good going into night one. Hey, I got America's rose. She got this special rose dress. And then Zach didn't give her any extra attention. Yeah. You know, didn't give her. She was probably hoping like, oh, now I can get Zach's first impression rose. And then she didn't get it. And then she probably felt stupid because maybe she was expecting it. No, she could not have expected. She already had a rose. Was really hoping. Okay. I don't think so. But I think she was really hoping to have a hand up. And I feel like she didn't actually feel a hand up. Yeah. That's what I'm getting up. Okay. So the first moment

that I remember of this episode it was jarring to me we have Lotto come and she has the song Big D-energy and that song I reserve

for TikTok thirst traps you know that's what you expect to see let's be more specific about that it's Joe Burrow Joe Burrow yeah thirst trap

but you don't mind them I don't mind Joe Burrow it's funny it makes you feel young like you said it makes me feel so young great I honestly don't care I know. Is there somebody that you would care? You think that he's cool? And like, what if I was like looking at somebody who was like a somebody else that you didn't think was awesome?

If you were looking at someone very specific or very, um, not popular, like Joe Burrow, it's like, oh, everybody loves Tom Brady. Yeah. Okay, I see that. Everybody loves Tom Brady. Yeah. But if you're like, oh, I was like a niche, a niche thing. A niche. Yeah. Like Jimmy Garoplo, everybody loves Chibrepoa. But if you're like, I don't know, I can't even think of someone. Like, like, I don't know, I can't even think of someone. Like. like a third string wide receiver and making thirst troughs, thirst, TikTok trouts about him. Like, okay, that needs to settle down. Because that's more obtainable. No offense, Joe Barrow's not obtainable. That's like me.

I could attain anything I want, okay? Look what I did for you. Bad, what is it? Bad bitch energy. That's my bad bitch energy, Jared. Bad bitch energy right there. My point being, if, if I was making thirst trap TikToks about Margo Robbie, I doubt you'd really care.

Yeah. But I would also think that you could get her. You know that might. biggest fear when you are you out of your mind my biggest fear when we weren't together was that you were actually going to date emma stone because i actually could see you guys very much together and he's like yeah me too no not at all that's very sweet of you that would be impossible you would not be impossible i thought you're going to say taylor swift and i was like talk about unreachable that might actually be the definition of in attainable but you know what you had a moment

Taylor. And I think she thought you were cute. I think she thought you were cute. That even if she did, which I doubt, I, that gives me still zero chance. I don't know. We disagree on this. She probably finds Chihuahua's cute. You know what I mean? I think you're way hotter than Joe Allwin. I don't know who that is. That's her boyfriend of five years. Oh. And he's like not an A-lister. What is he been from? You even know what he's from? Yes. We saw a movie with, we went to go see that movie. I don't know where he's from, but he was in a movie that we went to go see that was not our cup of tea, but got nominated for a bunch of awards with your parents. The favorite. The favorite. Also, Emma Stone, right? Yes. Okay. Anyway, we're off track right now,

but what happened was I reserve this song for Joe Burrow and then we saw Zach who walk out on the runway to Big D energy. Yeah. It was awkward as fuck. Yes. I've been saying Big D energy and then I go awkward as I know. They're, um, I like Zach. Seems like a nice guy.

So, so sweet. Great guy. When you were like out and about or like going on a dating app and like meeting a guy. Could you imagine you'd go on a date with this guy? You match with him on something.

Like he's really good looking. Wow. He's very sweet. Yeah. Um, I think that he handled himself very well in this episode in a different situations, which we'll tell. talk about later. I just think the problem with Zach is. No swag. Zero. Zero. It was like embodied in

that moment where he had the leather jacket on and he busts out the door. And it's like, no, dude, you're just. And it's not his fault because that was what the scene called for. And they're like, oh, this would be a cool moment. It would be great. And it's, it's really not anybody's fault, honestly, because I bet production, obviously production is trying to make them look super cool and swag. And it's fun. And, but like, I just. It was like, oh, that's not, that's not him. You know, that's just not Zach. Like, I don't know, I don't know what makes Zach cool, like what makes him unique,

but they just need to figure that out and do that, go that direction. They keep me being like, he was in a band that makes him cool and unique. I'm like, pretty sure you can find something else. Do you know what he told me on the podcast? A geek would be attractive. Yeah. I don't know what, like, but if he is a geek, like me, like me and he's a superhero fan. or like do whatever he does

like put him in that situation you know not this because this big D energy it just didn't fit it was awkward to watch it was cringe worthy where like the girls were marching towards them like oh god I guess it maybe was meant to be cringe worthy

no I don't know no is there any bachelor that you would say has big D energy Nick yeah you think it's Nick yeah I thought so too but I just wanted to hear you say it uh i would say ben i would honestly say ben too yeah ben on his season yeah of course yeah and um i mean i'm sure there's i can't who's also recently i don't know matt james

but matt james's gonna really pull off that that moment what i loved some man if you guys remember matt james's promo james had the biggest crush on that dude when i saw that i was like this what is exactly what a man what a man what a man yeah because Chris Harrison was out front, and he's like, you've never been in love? I'm here to change that. And it was like, what a man? It was like,

it was like a trailer for a movie. And I was like, this is exactly, because of course, Matt was the first Black Bachelor and so long, and they had this super cool promo with, what a man. And like Harrison was out front.

And he said that awesome line. He was like, you've never been in love. I'm here to change that. And it was just like, that's exactly what the Bachelor needs. Obviously, I mean, everything went off the rails after that.

but um and then you know since then obviously we have a clayton and jack and i don't know my so anyway okay yes great answer great answer uh okay so then so we're at the the the fashion show victoria and courtney were there they're because both of them honestly have that girl swag which i'll say is the bad bitch energy right they have girl swag they're like borderline villainous on their seasons, but they have, like, the similarity in which, like, they're super hot and they have, like, toad, but they're also, like, girls, they could be girls girls. It's really, they're complicated, but overall, well-liked. Okay. So, I can't really speak too much on the bad bitch energy. Something I would say that they're both really good choices

to demonstrate bad bitch energy. Now, Tajwan is a little bit random. there because I always just think of Tajwan being hilarious and sweaty in Paradise, but she was definitely there because she had some sort of interest in Zach. Yeah. And yeah. So at the after party, oh, at first off, when they're doing their struts down the runway and they're trying to like prove their bad bitch energy, I think everybody was fine, but I would have been the most cringe ever on that.

And I'm so glad I didn't have that date. Well, I love you very much. But I'm not sexy. like you and I have our you're very sexy He says this and that's really nice You know You don't have bad bitch energy

But that's not Or I would have Maybe you do I don't know Bad bitch energy In the bad land And that was it Well my point being

It's like I don't have bad bitch energy Like I'm not that guy Do you have big dick energy This is the equivalent I don't know I think I'm somewhat But I'm not like

You have swag But that's like a whole other level Of like caring yourself But it's not like Listen I'm very confident I'm very confident of myself But like if me and who's a guy, I guess, I don't know, I can't think of anybody from Bachelor

Franchise. I guess Peter Krause, because he's always a very, he's one of the hottest. If him and I walked into a room, yeah, it's no comparison. Everybody's looking at Peter or not me. They're like, yeah, he's good looking, but Jesus Christ, you know? But I'm fine with that. That's okay. But my point being is that, listen, of course, when you walk to her room, everybody's looking at you, but like if you're talking about like, oh, who gives off more, in my opinion, bad bitch energy for lack of better work. That's fine. That makes sense? Yeah, totally. But that's what everybody loves you for. I know. I'm not trying to have that. I'm not trying to have that. But also who will trip on her heels. Yeah. And

laugh and cry at herself. It's miscongenitality. Exactly. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. So, but I don't like really remember any girl like standing out there. right like there's no girl that like dominated that competition what I remember is just cat actually crawling like a cat and then I remember

somebody at the bar doing the tequila shots and then kissing yeah I just remember Tajwan and then okay so then fast forward to the night of he has a really nice conversation with what is her name she got the rose

yeah uh Catherine what did you say No one remembers anybody's names. How can we, Ashley has the cast list in front of her. And it's just impossible. I mean, I know these people's faces. You know like the names of week four.

And I know Christina's name. Oh, I thought it was Christine though. Anyway, so Catherine gets the road. She has a nice conversation with him about just like what she's looking for. She's like, I don't want a best friend. I don't just want a life partner. Like I want a love, right? Oh, these are the conversations.

See, again, I'm just not. She wants a life partner, but she also wants more than just that. She wants the love. I know, but this is the moment that reminds me of why, like, The Bachelor's not, I love the show more than anything. But, like, watching it with my negativity in my mind, I'm like, oh, God, these people who are talking back and forth. And I probably had the same conversations when I was on the show.

Jared, you were the ultimate. Like, that's what's hilarious is that you're so jaded and cynical when you talk about it. They've known each other for a little over a day. And they're like, we have pretty much they were like, we have so much in common. we both want, you know, life partners. And it's like, cool. I know. It's not deep, guys.

Like, they sound like the way that they say things sounds so deep. And I know a lot of the conversations cut out, rightfully so, because guys, it's an hour and 20 minutes each week and these people talk for a long time. So, unfortunately, there's going to be a lot of conversation that's just left to the side. So I'm sure that there was more in-depth conversation, more talking about each other, learning about each other, figuring things out, flirting, all that good stuff. But babe, it's hilarious how you are so cynical when you were like the most romantic, like, vulnerable man there.

You were like the most romantic. Do you remember this? Yeah. You were the mushyest man ever. Yes, of course. I'm still, when it gets like, once we start narrowing it down and there's, you know, not that there's not real feelings now. but like real like holy shit feelings yeah that's more fun and more mushy i think we're i think

i'm just so jaded from so i'm saying you're so jaded what's wrong with you i need more couples to stay together that's what i need i need more couples to stay together but babe when you were there you like leaned in fully so you like how do you make fun of these people of course because that's our job right now we're not making fun you are you're poking fun yeah oh i'm sure that in back in 2015, when we were on the show, there was nobody making fun of us. Nobody poking fun about how ridiculous we sound. Yeah, but you know how real it is when you're in the moment. Of course, but I also think that sometimes people look back and, you know, say, oh, wow, I only knew this person for two days and we're already saying, like, we had some, you know, I'm glad that you're looking

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Wait, what? Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to no such thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's move on to Taj Juan asking to stay. Yeah, Tajwan. She's so, she wasn't her funniest. She wasn't her funniest.

I wish she was on Paradise. Baby, you know that she's been on Paradise Wise. No, I know. But if she came back, I wish they brought her back on Paradise. That seems much more of a conducive environment to her. Remember, she's too hot. She won't return. But that's the whole, you could give her, like, give her the boom boom room that we were in.

Give her AC. You know, I think that's pretty funny. They should, like, come up with some contraction that she, contraption that she wears on her head with like fans and make it really funny. That would be really cool. Because here I just felt it was out of place because it felt forced because she came on and then she said, oh, Zach is really cute and funny. And if he asked me to stay, I wouldn't say no. And then fast forward to the night portion. She was like, I'm just going to ask him to stay. Yeah. So, okay. So you just want to stay because you want to pursue things with Zach,

who you've known for two minutes. And of course he's good looking. He's the bachelor. The Bachelor. The Bachelor. So it just felt like she was trying to get on the season and which is totally fine. Hey, go for it. But I just feel bad because I just, I don't want to see her shoot her shot and get shot down. And then her never be on the Bachelor franchise again.

So I would have rather seen her make an appearance on Paradise and kind of date around for a little while. How funny is just the reaction that we always get during moments like this. from the girls who are sitting back and being like, we sacrificed so much to be here and she is taking 30 minutes of our time by trying to like woo him.

I know. And especially it's probably the person who's saying that who has the little job title. It says content creator on there. You sacrifice so much. Don't make fun of our jobs. I'm not. I'm saying the point is you're not. If we got invited

if we got invited to go on the bachelor content creators, that's a job. us. It's a job opportunity. Not sacrificing anything. Yeah. But yeah, of course. It's just, but it's, you know, it's that bachelor mindset where you're like, oh, we were, it's, it's the, it's like the, it's like the first kids at camp. I don't know how to describe it. We were like, no, no, no. This is our thing. This is not your thing. You can't come late. This is, this doesn't belong to you. And it's like, okay, everyone relax. Yeah. It's like, first off, guys, if you don't remember correctly, you have only been there for two days. So if this girl enters right now, it's not like you've been part of this club that's so exclusive. But we know that that's the way it goes. We're making fun of it, but that's just the way it goes. It's the way it goes, guys. It's reality TV.

And when you're actually there, it does seem like the most annoying thing you could ever experience. Oh, it's the end of the world. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Jared had to deal with it with Nick. That was the most dramatic of all the middle of the season entrances. It was truly the middle of the season. Yeah.

he finished second unbelievable that guy okay so then we go on to the one-on-one with Christina Christina is she looks like so many famous people in one she looks like Lauren Conrad Kelly Pickler

another American Idol alum Lauren Elena and she also looks like there's some other person that she looked like she looks a little bit like Christine Taylor anyway she looks like a lot of people I don't know any of those people These memes are like going around all over So I had to mention

Everybody is under Everybody knows Everybody knows She's like the utmost celebrity look like She's very pretty Everyone knows Everyone knows Yeah

Everyone knows Everyone knows So she's 26 She has a six year old A kindergartner And Bailey Bailey right

Yep So the big thing about this date Is that she's gonna have to reveal To him that she has a daughter And it might shake him up But I think she's telling him so early It's not like you know No yeah

It's no big deal. No big deal at all. Yeah. Unless he thinks it's a big deal, I guess. But the first... Well, we'll talk about that in a second. Let's also say, of course it's a big deal. Oh, of course it's a big deal.

To have a child and to be dating somebody with a child, it's a whole different thing. Because he has to now, okay, I'm not just giving you. You know, you also have a daughter involved. I would have to be a stepfather. Like, you know, there's obviously heavy, you know, uh, circumstances. Right. But the big deal part is like, she shouldn't even be nervous about telling him. Well, I mean, of course she's going to be nervous, but she's doing the right thing.

I think for us when we said it's not a big deal because in our heads she's doing the right thing by telling him early on and not waiting until like the suspense builds and then all of a sudden it's awkward which people have done before people have done that before

yeah okay so they go on a helicopter to his childhood home which is like an Anaheim so pretty close it's probably like 15 20 minute helicopter ride 15 minutes maybe and they get to his doorstep and he's like

look this is my whole family my whole family's here and it's classic most memorable they did this with mattie and peter and they always make it to be like such a big deal like it's the most nerve-wracking thing like oh my god i'm meeting their family already well of course it's the big deal but you were making fun of this last night i was making fun of it because uh you said the show the show makes family family overrated well of course they do because anytime right because rape before hometowns It's like, oh, is he, like, I don't know if I'm ready to involve my family or I don't know if, like, I'm ready for him to meet my family or I don't know if he's ready to meet my family. And it's like, I've, I've always thought the whole family aspect was overblown. I mean, I'm sure everybody has their own dynamic. And there could be circumstances, which makes you nervous about somebody bringing someone into your family, which, of course, I understand and, you know, everybody has their own situation. But I guess for, you know, in my own experience or the experience of my friends and family, family or people that I know that have been the show, most of the time when you're meeting

someone, it's like, of course, like a big deal. You want them to meet. But like, it's always been so overblown. Like, I don't know if I'm ready to bring my family into it. Like, we're talking about you've been on, you've been hanging out with this person for so long. If you are closer with your family, like, just have them meet them. I don't understand. Now, kids are a different story because when you bring kids involved, that, then you're talking about a parental figure, which changes the game. But in terms of, like, meeting the parents or the cousins, I've always thought the exact same thing. I'm like, am I wacky for that?

But then, of course, the bachelor must think the exact same thing and just overflow fantasy or whatever it's called. Because on the first one-on-one, they're like, oh, we're just going to, Zach, do you mind just bringing this girl who you've known for one day to meet your entire family? No, of course not. I think that they think that people in the audience are going to be like, oh, my God, how terrifying it must be to meet somebody's,

family on the first date. Actually, it's probably one of the least nerve-wracking dates you could have on The Bachelor because you're like, enter this like warm environment where there's so many people and you're chatting with everyone for like five minutes instead of having a sit down in the middle of a silent room. Yeah, I would agree. Right. And you and I, you only had one serious relationship and you were young before me. And then like I never really had a serious relationship. So it wasn't like I had to like introduce my parents to a lot of people. But I also don't think it would be like a big deal. I've been like, oh, so-and-so is coming over tonight.

It's like, okay, hi. Hi, nice to meet you. You know, would have been like, they're meeting the parents. I guess like that sometimes happens if you like live far away and then you like bring so-and-so home for the first time. But I just don't think it's like as big of a deal as always presented to be. I would agree. Okay.

So Jared wants to move on. she sits down, she tells him that she has a kid and he is like a little bit nervous about it? Flustered by it,

I guess. I don't know. They showed him kind of getting up from the table and then coming back. I don't know. But he said

that he wanted to learn more about, yeah, I don't know. I think he was just taking in the moment. He seemed a little nervous. I don't know.

He probably just really liked her and was imagining the future and then all of a sudden it was like, oh, crap. I'm going to be a step down if I end up with you. Yeah, talking about kids is so difficult. I don't know. It's hard to. I don't mean for parents to do it. I just mean for us as outsiders talking about, you know, a single parent bringing up the fact that they have a child or someone

being introduced. Yeah, we like have no right to really talk about this. Well, no, it's not a right, but more it's just like for me, I always feel awkward about it because the, you know, with parents or adults, there's one thing you can poke fun. It's meant to be funny and laughter. But with kids, it's just there's so much more um heaviness to the situation that i always feel so awkward even giving my opinion about it like what's right what's wrong how he handled himself how she handled herself so on and so forth i think you know i mean i i i think that everything went the way it went and i think it went well and um it's all right we have to say about it all right do you have any other thoughts no i don't then there's not like a lot of thoughts that i have about

this episode? You know, there's not like lots of ground break. The last one was a group date we never saw. Exactly. It just made us feel super weird. We were like, wait, do we miss something? Well, because it went to the night portion. Yeah. And I was like, oh, it's night. And then you saw online that they did chop out the daytime. Yeah, I saw online that. So it was probably just for timing reasons. Yeah. They just couldn't fit in the episode. Yeah. And that's where we see the Gabby Sitch. I'll say good for Bachelor. That's great. But they don't think it was good enough. They were Not even good enough, but just so they just knew how to prioritize. Exactly.

They could have taken something out juicier and left a group date in that no one cares about. Because, you know, we don't care a lot about the group day activity. I don't really think the group date activity during the day usually tells you much about somebody. No, I mean, the only time the group tape is good is when people are just like crying or fighting against each other or, you know. Yeah. It's so much better with guys. But not when it's like an athletic thing.

The only time it's good when it's athletic is most of the time. Because it's, it's, I will say, watching the show, it is, I, like, I don't, I think it's different, right? Because women, I don't know. I guess I'm just more okay seeing men, like, tear each other down. Physically. Because it's like a dude, not physically, like emotionally mentally, just being like, you suck, blah, blah, blah, like accusatory and, you know, because it's a guy. Like, whatever. Yeah, you're like not taking their feeling seriously?

I guess so. That's what I'm saying. Sounds not politically correct. I'm kidding. Relax. Okay. So Gabby is kind of the center point of this group day evening portion because she just again feels like she's left out. Yep.

She's behind the game. She has this moment with him where she feels super awkward. Yep. Anything to say about that awkward moment? Like she just didn't feel comfortable in her skin, right? Yeah, it didn't feel comfortable in her skin. and then he didn't kiss her, which she felt super insecure about.

It's so funny how these girls are so open in talking about Zach in some areas, but then want to be so closed off in others. Like the after-credit scene, we see these girls talking literally about sticking their tongue in Zach's mouth. It's not Zach's mouth, babe. But no, they were talking about Zach. Well, sure.

They were talking about how did you kiss with tongue? With tongue there, but I think it was more of a general conversation. It was a general conversation, but they were specifically, they were, there were girls talking specific about Zad, multiple girls. Yeah. My point being is that like, you know, like they're always like, oh, I don't, I don't want to hear. I'm jealous, but then, you know, did you stick your tongue in his mouth? Yeah.

Well, you're curious, because then that makes you figure out where you are in the competition. Don't you think? Of course a little bit. Yeah. Because if Zach didn't stick his tongue in my mouth, I'd be like, dude, I'm done. I'm not getting a rose this week. Yeah, I know. But that means he's probably more into it.

Yeah. I get it. Anyway, so. Okay, so there was. Well, she got all flustered and then what was her name again? Gabby. Gabby. But then she redeemed herself wonderfully at the rose ceremony.

Yeah, but before the rose ceremony, she didn't get the rose and she went off crying by herself and was very upset and felt insecure once again. I just wanted to point that out because it is. so interesting to me still to this day that the bachelor and bachelorettes will always have that moment before they hand out a group date rose where they'll sit down and go through almost everybody but not everybody being like Ashley we had a really good time tonight you know we really opened up and it was just a great conversation you know and then it'd be like you know Natalie it was just you know you showed me some things tonight that just felt great and

and blah blah blah and it's like whoever he does doesn't talk about is going to feel like a complete piece of crap. And it's so weird that he's just going through all these women and just explaining to each one in front of everybody else how their moment was so special to him, which is sweet one-on-one. But I don't know. I always felt so weird about that. Because I'm like, bro, you do know that there's like, I get it. It's TV. I'm like, bro, you do know that like every, it doesn't make, I don't know how it makes somebody feel so special when literally the girl's sitting next to him, he makes them feel so special as well. And I get it. It's The Bachelor. That's the show. But it's just more prevalent in those

moments. Okay, I get that. So Gabby and the Rose ceremony was great. She really kept her cool, I think totally redeemed herself. And the Norrisis peanut butter cup thing was actually probably not the Boris maneuver. He loves Reese's. Mm-hmm. She did the little lady in the tramp thing. Yep. And then it led to a kiss. But she, didn't actually kiss him, which is why I like that. Did he kiss her? They kissed?

Yeah, like he kissed her. It wasn't like she was like going to use. She used the lady and tramp thing as like an entrance point, but didn't like go all the way in and let him actually go all the way in, which was really great. I'm happy for her. Yeah, it was a good moment.

The other moment during the cocktail hour was with Brianna and his body language towards Brianna is wacky. He is not into her His head was straightforward And he just didn't want to turn his head left It was weird Jared

He wasn't making any eye contact And then it wasn't even like he showed disinterest in her Particularly In the earlier part of the episode Like he kissed her on the group date Yep I think it was probably when she was trying to bring up Why do I want to call her Lauren?

Because she looks like Lauren Elena But Christina So Christina, the week prior, goes, oh, my God, you know, something like about the America's Roche. Oh, my God. I hate you. Which is literally what we all say. And I would have taken that as a compliment because it meant that she was jealous, but also jealous in like a not so serious way. Like, oh, my God, I hate you.

How many times do we say, oh, my God, I hate you in a way like that, in girl culture, you know? Oh, yeah. I'm saying in guy culture, be like, bro, I hate you so much. Exactly. But, yeah, I, I, when she, when they flat, I'm glad they flashed back to it because I feel like a lot of these times in the bachelor moments. She said thing. Exactly. But we had evidence right there.

They wanted us to know that it was ridiculous. Yes, I would agree. And she was just trying to create herself to be a victim. Yeah. I mean, it definitely came off that way. He had had nothing that he wanted to say to her, though. He truly was like, no. It almost, it almost felt like he saw the comment, like with all of us. And he was like,

there's no way you, you're taking that seriously, right? And, um, yeah, I felt bad. What's her name? Christine? Christina. Christina where she felt, she was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That was a, she has a Southern accent, right? Yeah. That was terrible. That was so bad of me. What the, you're trying to do is. I try doing a Southern accent. It's just terrible. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's much better. Anyway, she kept saying I'm sorry and I felt really bad because I'm like, okay, you know, maybe, okay, Brianna, you know, I would have been like, oh my God, I was like truly, you know, I said, I hate you like, oh my God, I hate you, oh, my God, hey, ha. But at least, like, listen, hey, she was trying to really apologize.

But Rihanna did take it the wrong way. She sat her down. They talked about it. It should have been over. Yeah. Because it was like, hey, I did not mean that. It was clear that she didn't mean it that way. She apologized a million times.

It felt, felt very genuine. So it's like, okay, let's just all move on. it was taken out of context, whatever, who cares? But then Brianna was like, well, I need to see actions. And it's like, okay, I don't agree with that. And then she goes to Zach, or Zach and her sit down. And then she wants so badly to tell him about this moment. It's like, Brianna, why do you feel so compelled?

Do you think that she's a bad seed? Do you think she's a bad person? Do you think Zach shouldn't be with her? Me? No, no, no, no. I guess I'm asking her. Oh, does she think that Christina is bad? Yeah, I'm like, why do you feel the need to tell Zach about this moment?

I mean, it's, I don't know, it's just, and I understand that you feel a little insecure or you're just feeling not your best right now, but unfortunately, I, that's just kind of the concept of the show, you're surrounded by, you know, we all felt this way, you're surrounded by just beautiful people who are successful people, you're competing for one person, it just brings out a lot of insecurities and it's really not, you know, the most conducive for you to feel you're utmost confident, at least for me. So I can understand where Brown is coming from, but at the same time, like,

don't try to villainize someone else. I think Zach was like, this girl for the second time this week is coming up to me being like, I'm not okay. Yeah. I think Zach, yeah. And he's like, okay, I'm over it.

I want somebody at this. If you're not okay right now, how are you going to be in a couple weeks? I think he was just like, all right, I'm done with like the Debbie Downertitude. Yeah, I think he probably just was thinking, like a lot of us were thinking that like, listen, if this is getting to you, if that type of thing is getting to you, maybe this is not

the best environment for you, which is totally understandable because it's not the best environment for everybody. But it might be best if just, you know, you'll leave. Or maybe it's actually a center home. I don't really know. All right. Well, to fast forward to the end, the rose ceremony, Kat, Victoria J. and Kimberly are the ones that are going home. And I think the only person that we kind of really remember from this group is Kat because she gave off Ramona from the housewives energy.

Yeah, she had some memes. Yeah. She's just like a character. And you knew she kind of would be when she was on after the final rose. But definitely not a Zach girl. You know, like that... No. No. He does...

I don't even think he like... Who do you think the leader in the clubhouse is right now? I think Christina and Catherine. And then Greer. Greer was the first impression rose. So people who are getting roses early, it's pretty predictable. But I think that those are probably going to be your top three-ish. I'm right there with you.

Yeah, I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about. I mean, I knew who they are. All right. Well, we have just a few hot topics this week. One, including Greer that you may have already heard of. We will talk about that right after this. I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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the first impression Rose Getter apologizes this week for defending blackface in the past I did see something like this I didn't Okay so I'm going to read this directly because I want to get the facts you know perfectly out there so it was less than 24 hours after that monday night episode that

greer blitzer um apologized for past racism online uh she says the journey to love is filled with lessons and these lessons are also made on our journey of growth in my past i have made some uneducated ignorant and frankly wrong comments on my social media accounts she's 24 by the way from Texas. In particular, I use misguided arguments on Twitter to defend a student who was dressed in blackface as Tupac for Halloween. I am deeply sorry to those that have hurt, especially those within the black community. Not because these screenshots have resurfaced, but because I ever shared these harmful opinions at all. Time and age, you not excuse my actions, but this is not a reflection of who I am today. So basically,

She was in a picture. Is she in the picture? Well, Reddit did the finding. So Reddit users, they found screenshots of her supporting a fellow teenager who was under fire for wearing Blackface and a Tupac shirt out of party. The students involved didn't even know what Blackface was. So my point exactly, this wasn't an intentionally racist act.

This is what she said on Twitter. a couple years ago. She said she did not paint herself black because she felt superior to black people. Putting white powder on your face isn't okay either. That didn't make the news did it. I apologize if this offended you, but you must understand it was not intentionally

supposed to be perceived that way at all. And then this past Tuesday, she said in her statement, that she does not stand by or condone the damaging opinions and behaviors that I share at that stage of my life and it will forever regret making those offensive remarks.

There we go. That's what I was going to say. There we go. I mean, just let's not defend Blackface. No, and she apologized, so what else are we going to do? Yeah, that's good. She apologized. So she did not do Blackface.

She did not. She was defending her friend who was at the party with her. Or I don't even know if she was at the party. He or she was at the point. She was defending her friend online. for people saying that Blackface was wrong. Yeah, she did not participate in it herself.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, just don't, what are we doing? There's people online who are saying Blackface is bad. I mean, this is probably what, a couple years ago, too? Yeah, I think it was 2000. I don't want to give a year. It was during high school. It was during high school, I think.

Well, high school was not too. Yeah, high school. I mean, she's pretty young. But anyway, point is, yeah, point is, obviously, you should know that Blackface is bad and she apologized. Exactly.

um and the other big headline this week there's two of them one is christina the girl that we've been talking about all episode long had a cameo and taylor swift's 15 music video her music video 15 that's super cool she must have been really young because she's 26 now and that song that video came out when i was 21 so what's the wow why i'm freaking old So it was like 13 years ago. 13 years ago. Yeah. So she was 13?

Well, I don't know. She was 13 years ago. She's 26. So she could have been like 13. That's cool. I know. 15 is obviously about your high school life. Yeah.

And our final headline is that Raven Gates and Adam Godstock are expecting a second baby. Yay. She's due in July. and we don't know how they're going to do it. So July, so February. Yeah, they're going to be a year and a half apart. She's over three months. She's out of her chest out of her.

Yeah, yeah. She found out in November. Oh, good for Raven. I know. They were definitely trying. They wanted this. They're good people. They're probably incredible parents too.

Raven, I just cannot get over just like the sweetness she is. I know. I could listen to her talk all day long. Like she sends me voice memo sometimes. And I'm like, can you just like narrate my, life. She's the sweetest voice and just like you can tell it's not just the voice. It's like truly her insides. Yeah. Raven's a good one. Yeah. All right. Well, congratulations to them. Congratulations. And we are going to sign off now. We love you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for listening.

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