The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Bob Saget’s Widow Feared Her Late Husband Wouldn’t Want Her To Date Again

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

Golden Bachelorette Joan Vassos connects with late comedian Bob Saget’s widow, Kelly Rizzo, for an intimate conversation that only two women who’ve lost husbands can have.   From how they processed their grief to how they’ve both found love after loss, these women are sharing it all.   Plus, Kelly recounts the special message she got from Bob after he passed away.  Email us at: [e-mail] or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, I am excited to be here, first of all, to be talking to you, but also we are here for the I heart music awards in Los Angeles. I have never been to this. I've watched it on TV. I'm always amazed by how many stars you can fit in one auditorium. Have you been here before? I have not. This is my first time.

I mean, I've seen the red carpet and stuff like that. I'm really excited. I know. We get to be a part of it. Picking out my outfit today was like a lot of pressure. I don't know if you felt the same way, but I looked at the red carpets from years before.

And I was like, oh, God, this is a lot of pressure. But the nice thing about it is you can kind of do what you want. You can kind of get away with anything. And you're elegant. Child, casual, elegant, formal, very, you know, so you can kind of... I think that made it harder. Yeah, I was just like, you know what? I think I'm just going to be me.

And this is... This feels like me. This feels good. I know. I've seen kind of people walking around the hotel. There's a lot of people in this hotel that are going to the awards. And I just saw... I just saw...

I just saw... I just saw Heather Dubrow walk by. And she had the most beautiful black suit on. And I was like, oh, that's so classy and elegant. See? And I look at this suit around. look bad. I should go put on something else. You look stunning. That's the first thing

I said when I walked in. I was like, oh my gosh, you look beautiful. Thank you for saying that, but now I feel kind of frumpy because she looks so like stylish. And then you know what? Yeah, you look very frumpy. And now I look frumpy. Does she look frumpy? I mean, come on. Well, we're here to talk about something not so, you know, elegant and fun as the I heart music awards. We're here to talk about something that we kind of have

in common. We are both in the club that really no one wants to be in. We're both widows. and I want to talk to you about your relationship. So, Kelly, tell us about our listeners a little bit about your late husband, Bob Saggett. Everybody knows who Bob Sagitt was, because as we were growing up, we all watched him portray Danny Tanner on Full House.

I feel like he was part of my household when I was growing up. The show never goes anywhere. It's amazing. How did you guys meet? And how long were you guys married? He found me the old-fashioned way on Instagram. he literally slid into my DMs.

The 10-year anniversary of that is coming up in like a week. It's funny that you have that 10-year anniversary. Like that's like a special moment. It's not like a wedding. I can go back and find the very first message he sent me. And I was a little like, oh, that's weird. He's not on my radar. It seemed a little.

Did you know who he was? Of course. Okay. Of course. Because you're pretty young. You're younger than me. So he might not have been in your household. I'm 46.

So when Full House came out. I was like eight. Yeah. But, uh, or no, yeah, 1987.

I was eight. And, but then, you know, I watched America's Funniest home videos. Like at my grandma's house on Sundays, you know,

when I was 10 or 12 or whatever. And so I knew who he was. But then there was a big gap that I, he wasn't really on my radar. And then, you know, I knew he had some like edgier comedy. Mm-hmm.

But then I just, at first, yeah, but kind of his friends at first because he still, he was a lot older. He was 23 years old. or he wasn't really my type typically. But then he kind of charmed me and he was just so wonderful.

I'm like, how can I not give this guy a chance? And he was very, I would say, like, persuasive but not invasive, if that makes sense. He didn't come on too strong, but he was like, I like you. I would like for this to be a thing. And if you don't, I understand. But if you do, let me know. And then finally I was like, all right, fine, I do. Okay.

I can't fake it anymore. If you're going to be that director, I'm going to have to answer. Exactly. And so then 10 months later, I moved to L.A. from Chicago. Oh, you weren't living in the same town. Yeah, we were long distance for 10 months. So I always wonder about that. So when I went on the Golden Bachelor and then all of a sudden, like I had men sliding

into my DMs. And they were all for so, like, so few of them lived in a reasonable distance from where I lived. I live in Maryland right outside of D.C. And so I kind of said no to all of them. I'm like, I don't say this working. It seems like it would be really hard to, like, I have a casual date if you have to, like get on a plane to fly there.

So I never did anything, but you did. You were brave and you did it. But you had a little background on him. You knew who he was. I knew he was not, you know, some rando. I could find out that he was not a serial killer. And we, you know, he travels a lot. I travel a lot.

So it worked out. We saw each other maybe every two to three weeks. Okay, pretty often. Yeah, a lot. And then I moved L.A. And then a year and a half after that, we got married. And then we were married for, It was like three and a half years before he passed.

So together for six years total. Six years total. Yeah. His passing was so sudden. Yeah. My husband, his passing was long. He had cancer and I had him with me for two years after he was diagnosed. I have a hard time figuring how in the world you process that.

Can you tell me what your journey look like? I know this is hard to talk about, but I feel like whenever I talk about it, it helps other people. So I think these conversations are important. And obviously you have a podcast that you do this all the time. So here I am asking you. I'm sorry, we don't know each other very well. to be this invasive. No, I'm happy to.

We're in this bad club together, so we might as well join together. It feels like you have an instant connection with somebody who's experienced the loss of a spouse. And I do say, you know, whether you lost your spouse to a long illness or suddenly, I don't want to say pros, but there are like kind of pros and cons to both. I feel the same way. You know, because you never want to see somebody sick and suffer. But also you have a chance to like get your affairs in order.

You have a chance to say goodbye, whatever that looks like. You at least have an opportunity to talk about what the future will be like, you know? And Bob and I didn't have a chance to do that. No, you didn't. You know, I have no way like about dating again. It's like, to me, Bob would have been like, how dare you? Absolutely not. Like never, ever, ever you were going to live in an attic and be alone for the rest of your life.

And so part of me is almost like happy we didn't have that conversation because like what have. But of course, everyone's like, no, he would. want you to be happy. It's true. But I actually just did a full episode of my podcast on a minute by minute account of what it was like that day that I found out he passed. It was called the day my husband died. And because it really is an interesting thing to kind of go through that dynamic of what that experience was actually like. And it was gut wrenching to go through it again and relive it. but at the same time, and I don't know if you feel this, but it's very cathartic for me to even feel sad,

because then if I feel sad, then I feel connected to him and I feel closer to him. I'm like listening to this conversation, what you're saying, and I'm like, you are saying all the things that I felt, and it's funny how we had very different experiences. My husband was sick for, you know, for all two years, but I remember the day he passed away every minute of it.

Like it is, it is in my brain, in my mind, I can't get rid of it. It is just, I remember them carrying him down the steps on the stretcher with him covered up. I remember every single second of that day. And it sounds like you could relive it by minute. And there's very few days in my life that I can relive minute by minute, but that is one of them. I just heard somebody, and now for some reason I cannot remember who this was, but like two days ago, I heard somebody talking about grief.

And they said that the day they lost their person, like the whole day is a completely complete blur and they remember every single second. It's true. It's weird. It's both. Something, it feels like you remember every single second, but it also feels like a dream. I felt like I was floating above my body the whole day. I felt like I was there, but I just, I could hardly connect to anybody or anything. It was really weird. I remember everything, but then some things are kind of fuzzy. Like I look back, I was like, who was the first person to show up in my house? Was it this person or this person? But for the most part, I remember it well. And yeah, when you lose somebody suddenly, it's very, very, very traumatic in the sense that that PTSD of that loss in an instant stays with you.

And to this day, like I, you know, my boyfriend Brecken, if I can't get a hold of him for five minutes, like, call me, call me, call me, the worst thing happened. You know, it's like I go right back. You do. I go full on right back to that feeling. Yeah. And it's, I wish, I wish I could like self-soothe my way out of it, but I haven't yet figured out how to get past that. There's days I think about John passing and it takes my breath away.

Like I almost can't breathe. Like it feels that intense still. And I think it's like a little PTSD. I think we need to get hypnotized or something. I don't know what it is. Oh, that would be amazing. I think we need to do something because it's so painful. Yeah.

And it's exhausting to like put yourself through this, you know. And something's better. But some days it just hits me like it happened yesterday. How long has it been? Five years. It was five years in January. January 18th. Oh, okay.

Bob was January 9th. Oh, geez. Four years. Four years. So we're close to the journey. And you're just a year ahead of me. A little bit ahead of you. Something really struck me that you said that Bob would have said, no, don't date.

You're like, I'm, your mind forever is kind of like the message I heard. And John, the week before he passed away. I remember it perfectly. He was laying down on the sofa. He could hardly sit up. He was so weak. He had pancreatic cancer. And I was sitting in kind of like in the crook, like right here.

And he took my hand and he said, I want you to find somebody and get married again and have a relationship. And I said, oh, my God. I said, I am not having this conversation with you. I said, you are not going anywhere. I had in my mind he was going to live. He weighed 120 pounds and had been dying for two years. I still thought he was going to make it. I said, I'm not having this conversation with you.

I was like, you're not going anywhere. you're not leaving me, we're not doing this. And he passed away a week later. And I thought back on that conversation about two years later when I was thinking, is this what my life is going to be? Am I going to be a widow at 58 and never have anything more? And that conversation was such a gift because I felt like he was giving me permission to date again.

So I didn't have any guilt. Wow. And you're like, not only am I going to date, I'm going to go on the golden bachelor. Well, it was such a failure dating normally. You're like, I'm going to go and do it a big way. Yeah, I'm going to do it. I'm going to go all out. Yeah, see, I don't, the Bob I knew would have been like absolutely not.

It means you didn't love me. I'm jealous. How could you? You know, but that's the only Bob I knew. And so I have to now separate and I always call it like earthly Bob from Heavenly Bob. You know, Earthly Bob would have been like absolutely not. No, no, no. Heavenly Bob would want me to be happy.

But I got that message from his daughters, from his best friends. They talked you into it a little bit. They gave me their blessing. They're like, he would want you to be happy. And I was like, are you sure? And they're like, yes. And I'm like, all right, if the closest people to him give me their blessing and they're okay with it, then he'd be okay with it, meaning I'm okay with it.

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I was on the Golden Bachelor and I was really struggling pretty far through my season. I was probably halfway through my season. And there's a psychiatrist or a therapist on the show. And she came into my room, Dr. Adrian, I will love her forever. I still speak to her. And she said, I said, I'm really struggling with this. I said, I don't think I can do this. I think I still love John.

She goes, I said, how can I love somebody else and still love John? And she goes, of course you can. She said, picture it as two balloons. She said, John is in this hand and he's this balloon and you could still love him and you can have another balloon in this hand and it's okay. There's room for you to have both of them. I was like, I can still love him and still get this one. And that just kind of gave me this freedom.

I was like, okay, I need to tackle this in a different way. And that's what I will always love John. You will always love. Yeah. And that's what I've been saying is that it's the loves are totally. totally independent. Like sometimes I'll feel guilty because I'm so happy now in my relationship. And it's, you know, I'm like, I love you so much.

But then I'm like, doesn't that mean that I'm a bad wife to Bob? You know, but it's like, no, you can love one person with all your heart and love another person with all your heart and they're different. Yep. And they can live side by side simultaneously. Yeah. And they don't cancel each other out. You're more mature than I, because I couldn't figure that out until somebody told me.

You, I think you're more emotionally connected. to this than I ever was. But I got good advice. I'm so happy to say because I also have a person now. So I'm so lucky. We both are really, really lucky. But I know that those, you know, days and years right after Bob passed away, you and I probably had the same experience. And for everyone listening, let's tell some of the worst things that people should avoid saying to someone when they are grieving the loss of a loved one because there's some bad ones out there. I don't know if you, I could tell you probably the worst ones that I remember hearing. Yeah, I'd like to hear that because I strangely didn't get a lot of really bad comments,

or at least not from people I know. There were some ways that people weren't as helpful, but I didn't really have any bad. Like, I mean, what I've heard other people say are things like, oh, he's in a better place now. Yeah, I had to. And it's like, yeah, but he's not here. and I miss him here. So he might be somewhere better. Yeah.

But I feel like crap. But it doesn't make me feel better. Right. Because he's something because I'm sad. Yeah. Because I feel like crap now. Or like, you know, oh, like, I can't. People do say, I'm sure like, oh, you'll get over it.

But it's like, you don't. You'll feel better. It takes some time. You're like, and it's like. And you will. But like people don't want to hear that in the moment. I feel like, I'm sure I feel better. I feel different.

Like I still think it's really painful But it doesn't it's like that a stabbing pain It's a dull pain like or you know it just like each day is different It's not as take your breath away I can't stay composed I'm right I'm living it now as opposed to suffering through it Yeah yeah it becomes different I feel like the one thing that struck me a lot

Was that people kind of avoided me And I remember people saying I just avoided you because I didn't know what to stay And that one Yeah, I'm like, boy, that makes it worse. Well, I probably, I'm sure there were people, like once I finally went through loss, because I'd never really lost anybody before except like grandparents. Yeah.

And you're so young that you certainly, I mean, I guess you probably thought Bob was going to pass away before you did because you had a big age difference, but certainly not. You were still super young. Not after three years. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, I was just very, very, very sad. But at the same time, I had so much gratitude, like right after he passed because, you know, he wasn't 20. Like he lived this full, beautiful, amazing life and truly made the world a better place. And he had these incredible kids that he saw grow up.

And, you know, so it was like, well done, sir. Like, good job. You did a great job here. You lived a beautiful life. And so I was so grateful that I got to be a part of it. The one thing that people that I remember, and I don't fault him for this because I love him so much, and he's the best, best, best friend. But Jeff Ross said to me at Bob's funeral, he goes, Kell, you got robbed.

You got robbed. And I remember at his funeral, five days after he died, I was like, no, I didn't. No, I didn't. It's like, I did not get robbed. Like, what a blessing that I got to be in his life for six years instead of, oh, it's not fair. woe is me, life sucks. It's not fair that I didn't have him longer. You have a great attitude. Yeah. And I don't, like, I don't really know where it came from because I didn't necessarily think that I would have been so positive about it, but it just kind of happened. I'm like, I'm not going to let this turn me into like a bitter,

miserable person. Yeah. Yeah, it was good. I think it's like kind of maybe who you were before is also who you are after grief, you know, but that was one of the things that somebody said to me that I was like, No. No. I'm not going to accept that one. But he meant well by it. I totally get what you meant. Yeah. Like you should, you deserve more. You should have more. This was just the beginning of your journey. Exactly. Yeah, it was too quick.

Do you ever get any messages from Bob since he's passed? Do you ever have the feeling he's there or he's sending you something? I had like one or two. One I've talked about before, it's a little hard to explain. But there was this little wooden figurine that he had on his nightstand for years. right by our bed that his daughter had given him. It was really special to him. It was this, like, very unique, special little wooden figurine. And when, after Bob passed, and I had to look for a new home, I felt really bad about it because I was like, I felt like I was abandoning him. I had to

move and I was leaving him. So the house that you lived in together had meaning and you didn't want to leave it? We had to, we had to sell it. So when I found a new house, I was really conflicted about it, but I knew I had to, but still, I was very conflicted. And the story, and the story, and the one house that I looked at that I was like, I think I'm really going to like this house. I walked in and the first thing I saw was the same exact little wooden figurine on the mantle. And it's like not a common one. It's not like a GI Joe. Like this is a very unique like artisan craft thing. And I was like, that's weird. And I just started crying. I was like, this is the house. This is the house. And I was like, okay. He was like, it's okay. He sent to this. Yeah. Yeah. This house has a nice little blessing over. it. And yeah, so you have, I do have them every once in a while too. It feels comforting. I remember for the first year, I really had no signs from John, and I was mad at

them. Yeah. I was like, you, like, left me here alone. Yeah. Like, send me a sign, like, so I know you're okay. And I just didn't get one for a really long time. On the other hand, my daughter did. And she would tell me, she's like, yeah, I saw dad this morning.

I'm like, where's not there? She's like, this hawk. It comes to her house. Like, I had the, like, right outside of big city, right outside Washington, New City. Like, we don't have hawks, like, flying around our neighborhood. She's like, yeah, he comes every morning and sees us. She goes, I stand out in the deck and I see him.

Comes around every morning. I'm like, he probably has a nest there someplace, but okay. And then I got that. I remember we were on, so my husband was very bald. And from chemo was part of it, but he was also like he was balding even before that. So we were on the way to the cemetery. It was the one year anniversary of his passing. And all my kids, I have four kids, and they're all grown.

And we were on our way to the cemetery to visit. at him that day, bring flowers. And up above was a bald eagle, like flying, like flying above us on, like a highway. Like we were going like 70 miles an hour down this highway. And the bald eagle was just kind of leading us there. Oh, wow. And my son, you don't see those every day. You really don't.

Like, I don't think I'd ever seen a ballad eagle, to be honest before. And my oldest son was in front. He was in his car. And he's like, mom, do you see that? I'm like, see what? He's like, the bald eagle. And I'm like, I'm like, oh, my God, that is a bald eagle. He's following us there.

And then I was filming before I got children. chosen to be the Golden Bachelorette. We were filming me at the cemetery. So they do like a package that then they present to Disney and to Warner Brothers. Bachelor does. And they were doing that package. And they were like, we want to go to the cemetery. I'm like, I really don't want to go the cemetery. It was actually the day after the anniversary of his death. And I didn't want to go. I didn't want to go with cameras. I thought it was invasive. I felt lousy about it. They're like, please, we'll do it in a really nice way. It had just snowed the whole day before. So we go, I'm really not wanting to do this with them. I felt like this was a really personal thing. And it had been two years. It was a two-year

anniversary of his passing. And I go there and I told the producer, the executive producer, a guy named Jason, on the way, we were in the car on the way. I told him the story about that John comes and visits us as like an eagle or a hawk and stuff. I told him that story and I just kind of been passing. And so we go to the cemetery and we walk over to his headstone and I'm brushing off all the snow off of it. And I'm kind of looking around. I'm feeling very uncomfortable because I feel very odd being there with cameras. Yeah. And Jason's like, look up. And he's standing behind the cameras

and I'm all the way over here. And he's like, look up. And I'm like, what, what? And he's like, look up. And there's three hawks circling the cemetery. Really weird. So, so, so weird. Yeah, you don't see that all the time.

I'm looking at the camera going, I'm not a freak. It does sound really weird. She's not a freak. But I just felt like that was like a sign from him. Yeah. Because I felt really uneasy about going on, you know, one thing going on the Golden Bachelor, you can kind of like, you know,

stay in the background, not really be a main part of, bit, but when you're the lead, you're the lead and like you're going to be kissing other guys, you're going to be doing, you know, you're going to be going there looking for really a husband or, you know, a mate at least or a boyfriend or something. You plan to come off, like, matched up. You're hoping for that. So you can't hide anymore.

And so I felt kind of guilty going on that. And I felt like that was kind of my sign, a little bit my sign. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so appreciative when they send a sign a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I don't get a lot. I just started having.

I didn't have any dreams about him for maybe like two to three years. And now I've had like a couple, but nothing like too profound. How does it feel when you wake up? You're like, huh? Yeah, just a little like, whoa, that was weird. Yeah. You know, they haven't been anything too crazy yet. So nothing where it's like a nightmare or something where it's like, oh, he's with you.

He gave me a message. Yeah. It's just like we're at dinner and he's kind of just like sitting there next to me. That's so funny because nothing too exciting. One. Okay. And my mom has a dream about my dad almost every night. My dad passed away three months after John passed away. Oh, wow. Yeah, great year. And she has dreams about him all the time. And I'm envious of her because I would love to see John. And one of my biggest fears is that the memories of him are fading a little bit. And I feel like, and this is the first time, I remember going to the cemetery this year and like kind of talking to him. And it was the first time that I felt like, life is moving on without him. Yeah. Like my kids are getting married.

We're having more grandkids. Things that he isn't part of it anymore. Yeah. Like he's not part of these new families that are starting. Even though they're his kids, he's not part of this new, like, new generation.

And it feels really lousy to me. Yeah. Like we just had, I just had a step granddaughter. Bob's granddaughter was just born just a few months ago. And it's, you know,

makes me so sad. It's very bitter sweet. It's like I'm so happy. He didn't get to be part of this. Right. I'm so happy. happy to have her, but it's so sad that he didn't get to meet her. I know. I mean, I'm sure, you know, he's here in some way, of course, and he gets to, you know, watch over her in his own

way, but it's still very bittersweet, you know. Yeah, I kind of feel like they have a little angel up there watching out for him. So it's maybe a little comforting, you know, it's sad that they're not here and that they miss these big life events. And I always felt like, you know, my husband had worked so hard to create a really great life for us. And then right when we were kind of at the age where our kids were all graduating from college, we're at the place where we could really start enjoying this life. You know, we could go and travel and we'd have our kids kind of taken care of, and we could just start doing, like, taking your grandchildren to Disney World and all of those things that I planned to do as a couple. He died right before we got to do all of those things,

like that whole other half of our light that we were planning on doing and kind of just got, like, disappeared. It was poof. I know. Isn't that crazy? Like, you can't plan life. No, no. Life has other plans. Yeah, yeah. They used to say, like, if, when God sees you planning life, he's laughing. He starts to laugh or something like that. Yeah, yeah. I'm Lori Siegel, and I'm mostly human, I go beyond the headlines with the people building our future. This week, an interview with one of the most influential figures in Silicon Valley, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman. I think society is going to decide that creators of AI products bear a tremendous amount of responsibility to products we put out in the world. From power to parenthood.

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is so many people knew him. He was such a star and always known to be such a kind person. Yeah. But do you do anything personally? like they try to keep his memory alive for you. Well, I mean, I'm constantly talking about him, like privately and publicly all the time. I'm always sharing about Bob. I'm telling stories.

Talking about him, you know, on my podcast all the time and, you know, with his friends and his kids. And a big thing that maybe is the most important, and I know would be so important to him, is that I kind of took over one of his roles for the scleroderma Research Foundation, which was his biggest charity that he was like the, the guy of the SRF for 30 plus years because his sister died of square drama. He has a personal connection. Yeah.

So one of his jobs, I mean, he hosted the event, so I obviously don't do that. But his job was to book the comedians. And so now that's what I've been doing for the last four years is I've been booking all the comedians and booking the talent for the event, the big, huge benefit that they have every year called Cool Comedy Hot Cuisine. And so that's a great name right there. Yeah. Yeah.

And so it's always like the world's best comedians, great music, amazing food by a celebrity chef, Susan Fenninger. Okay. And so that's one thing that I've done to kind of keep honoring him and to keep his work that he, you know, his life's work to kind of keep it going. I love that. And then they benefit from, like it helps you maybe, you know, feel good about like doing something to, you know, carry on his legacy.

Yeah. It's like the least I can do. Yeah, yeah. Did you ever, because we're going to skip on to now, like, kind of where you are now. And moving on, we had this conversation already that moving on is hard and you know, you feel guilty and you're not sure if you should be doing it. Did you ever really think that you were going to find love again? Or did you think that like you had the best? It's hard to replace. I hoped. I was just very nervous. You know, you hear such horror stories about dating and all this stuff. Yeah, right. You know, I was very hopeful that I would. I just didn't know. know what it would look like and would I be able to find somebody who was strong enough and confident enough to understand that like Bob wasn't going anywhere and he was always going to be a part of my life. Right. Yeah. You have to find a pretty amazing guy. Yeah. So, you know, and I kind of found that right off the bat. Like I didn't even

yeah. I didn't date very much at all. Is that right? Okay. So you are, I went on like two basic little like coffee dates pretty much and like that was it. And then I met Brecken. And then you met Brecken. And then you met Breckin. Can you tell us a little bit about him? I know who he is, but I'm not sure if everybody knows who he is. They might. But tell us about, okay, so tell us about who he is, explain to the audience who he is, and then tell us about how you met. How do you meet?

Well, yeah. Well, we met at our, his best friend was one of Bob's best friend, Seth Green. And he, Seth and his wife, Claire, had an anniversary party. And Brecken and Seth have been best friends since they were teenagers. And so I met him briefly before with Bob because he and Bob were friendly. They weren't best friends. They weren't like very close. Okay.

That'd be weird, but they were friendly. So we just reconnected, I guess, at Seth and Claire's party and just hit it off. And then like a few weeks later, he asked me out and we went on a date and like that was it. That was almost three years ago. You know right away. He knew right away. Yeah. I mean, we knew at least that we wanted to definitely continue whatever that was.

And then like after the first date, I just didn't have an interest. Like we didn't say front like on date one like by the way let's never talk to anyone else. Right. But we did both kind of internally just be like, oh, I don't really feel the need to date other people. Yeah. But then, you know, a few months later, we were like, okay, let's actually not date other people. This is it. And do you guys live together?

No. No, he lives like four minutes away from me. He lives like a mile away. Kind of good, right? We're in the same neighborhood. We literally bump into each other like on the street. It's really funny. But it's nice because he has two kids and he doesn't have them every day, but he has them a few days a week.

And so, you know, he does his thing. I do my thing. And then, you know, he'll come hang out at my house or I'll be like, all right, be over in five minutes. And then I'll go to his house. So it's easy. Yeah. It's really nice. Yeah.

Okay, good. What are your thoughts on marriage and do you want to get married again? You know what? We've even talked about this. and I'm, I don't have to. I'm open to it, but I don't, I've been married twice. I was married once before Bob and got divorced. Okay.

And so for me, I'm just more about having the relationship and the connection and like the commitment, but I don't need to legally get married. Yeah. But I'm, I'm open to it, but I don't have to have that, which is a great place because, like, I don't want kids. I don't have kids. You know, he doesn't want more kids. Yeah.

And so, like, that doesn't have to be a factor in it. And it's like, we just get to. to enjoy each other and whatever happens happens. I feel like we were really the same person because I feel the same way. I got engaged on the Bachelor, at the Golden Bachelor. Thank you, but people ask,

keep asking us when we're getting married. And I'm like, do we have to get married? Because we are liking what we're doing. You can call on your husband. You don't have to. Why do I need to change this? And like at our age, I mean, much older than you, but, you know, as you're, like,

we're not in our 20th and 30s. We're not trying to have kids. We're not, like, establishing careers. Like, we're kind of like past that part of life. Do, like, is there a need to get married? I keep wondering and I don't feel like I need to. I think it's personal to everybody. I don't feel like I have to, but.

It's not traditional, but we don't have to do it. I'm open either way. Yeah, I feel the same way. This has been a great conversation. I'm sorry Kathy was supposed to be with us today, but she got held up. It's a crazy day. But we have to get over to the awards. We have things to do.

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