The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Breaking News: The New Bachelorette is a Mormon Wife

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

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time. People are dreaming right now, but we're not. because you have some breaking news. Trista is here with me today to break down this news. It's crazy. And maybe that's the name for the episode. This is crazy.

Perfect title. Trista, you started this whole thing. So you're the blame at some level. Thanks. We're going to the announcement. Let me just name me. here. Taylor Frankie Paul is named

the Bachelorette for season 22. It's official. The next star of the Bachelorette is Taylor Frankie Paul. You may know her as the star of Hulu's secret lives of Mormon wives.

She's a huge TikTok following. In fact, I remember three years ago I think, laying in a bed with my wife as she showed me these TikToks trying to explain to me what in the world all the fuss was about

I remember then thinking goodness gracious this is entertaining for no other reason then it's sometimes enjoyable to live vicariously through other humans

who seem to love to mix life up in a way that I've never been familiar with now goodness gracious joining the franchise. Trista, thoughts. Okay, so let me just say that I don't watch,

or I haven't watched Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I know that it is extremely popular. I know that she is extremely popular. She's a beautiful girl. I think she's 31 years old, has three gorgeous children. I was doing a little research with what Heather sent and it seems she's been divorced twice

and was involved in what they're calling the soft swinging scandal. Do you know about that? I do, but I would love for you to explain. She's been divorced once, just so you know. You want me. Okay, she's been divorced once. I would love for you to explain soft swinging to our audience.

You so want me to explain it. Okay, so what I don't understand is why is it soft swinging compared to swinging just because they had an agreement that they weren't going to have sex with the people that they were swinging with? Is that what makes swinging? Yes, exactly. So if they don't have sex with their swinging partner, then that's called soft swinging. No penetration would be the official. No penetration. I just feel like it will be very interesting to me to see what happens.

She is very popular. Secret Lives is very popular. It's a Hulu show. So it makes sense that she is, you know, coming over to Bachelorette World. They've never had somebody who's famous, right, from ever as a lead, have they? I mean, they used to do, they used to do like, you know, back in your year day they were picking people kind of out of the public firestone yeah a prince a prince true but she's like pop culture famous you know like they've never had someone who's not already been on the show

this is a change who is this is a definitely a big change and i will be very very interested to see if bachelor nation rallies around her or doesn't or actually doesn't watch because it's her Because she does, we just found out, both of us, Ben and I, don't watch the show. So this is all, you know, coming from people who don't watch her show. So I don't know her per se. I've never met her. I don't follow her on TikTok, but I'm going to now or Instagram. I am very curious to know whether people are going to be turned off by the fact that she

was in jail. No, the show is used to this. We've had a couple issues in the last few years when it comes to legal matters. So the show's cool with it. It's fine. Okay, great. Okay, great. Great. Great on legal matters. And then the swinging thing. Restraining order. Right. Not a thing. Not a thing. Um, the fact that she basically cheated on her husband, even though they were, in an open relationship, but she cheated on him because she, there was penetration. So I am really interested to just see how Bachelor Nation reacts to it being her, because

she is part of the ABC Hulu family, and the show is really, really popular. My guess is that the older generation, like my generation, may not watch. And then the younger generation who actually, you know, they're big followers of her are going to watch because she's super famous in pop culture. Okay, couple thoughts. First is a question to you. When does she join The Bachelor at Text Chain? I literally was thinking this earlier.

I'm like, how do we get her number? I mean, I will just be texting Millsie and say, hey, we need to add her to the chain. She will be added for sure. Yeah, she's a part of the group now. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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you listen to your favorite shows I have a couple thoughts from the small amount of polls that I've taken people are fans of her so that's great I don't know enough to make a judgment either way it does seem to me Trista people are fans of her because

I don't know how I was to say it I'll say it and get in trouble for it she's messy she's messy that's how people know her from her show and her current time is people have followed along because of the storylines that have existed around her right soft swinging uh the arrest the probation the pause and filming to the chaos that's caused with other people on her show it's messy i think is the way i'm going to say it get mad at me for it if you don't feel that way i don't know enough to make a strong statement on this i have never known the Bachelorette to be cheered for and watched because of messiness. I think that changes the franchise drastically. The franchise has always been about a pursuit of love, even if people that are watching really don't believe you can fall in love with the amount of time that it takes to film

The Bachelorette. It has always been at the core of it. People have tuned in as a family with their moms, as a sister group, whatever, because it's the romanticized idea. that possibly something could work from the show. Messiness has never been the core driver. It might be this season. I'm not saying it's not going to pick up attention.

It's 100% going to pick up attention. Is that what we want? And so my question for the audience, for Taylor, for whoever, great, Taylor, I'm welcoming you into this thing. I hope you find love from this thing if that's what you're really after here. I don't want anybody to come on this show

and their lives become worse for it that is not the hope that is not the dream that is not why we've done what we've done on this show for the last 10 years so i'm getting behind you kid but where does the franchise go from here if this is this launching pad for this new era of the bachelor and bachelorette to bring in a whole new audience of viewers that they need to do i'm not mad at them for changing this up they had to change it up they have to try to hit a home run here. Because if they don't, I don't think we're talking about the bachelor year. I don't. I think they're already showing warning signs of that. But where does the franchise

go from here? How do they top a Taylor Frankie Paul? How do they have a season that is going to be more polarizing than any season we've probably seen before? That's why people are going to watch it. That's why people are going to tune in. How do you top it year over year over year? Right. Trista, the show failed, I would, I think. Even when Chris Harrison was the host, because the tagline became, this is the most dramatic season ever. And they always tried to top the drama year over year, over year. And they did.

Goodness gracious, they did for 10 years straight. They topped the drama. It might even been in the last episode of the season, but there was something. The fence jump, the podium getting moved. cheating scandals, whatever it may be. They topped it year every year, every year. And my stance, and I think many's people's stances, the popular stance, was that trying to top drama year over year took away from the show. It took away from what the show was always about.

It pushed away viewership. So now we're not fixing that. Instead, we're going a whole different direction where we're saying we're going pull a, We're going to a character to lead the show that is going to be a shocking person for so many of your core audience, which is middle U.S. So my question is, where do we go from here? This might be a great season. I actually think it will be. I think they're going to get a ton of viewers.

I think it's going to be captivating. I think my wife is going to watch because she's following this stuff on TikTok. interested in it maybe is a word. But where do we go from here? You're so right. You're so right. But, you know, I don't know. I feel like that's been a conversation

for a really long time and they've been able to sustain. They always figure something out. So I don't doubt that they can't figure out where to go from here. But like I was trying to say, if I didn't convey it clearly, is I just, I feel like the people who are traditional Bachelor OG, like, you know,

and you don't have to have watched since the first season, but who believe and watch because they love love, like I do. That's kind of like the, you know, the traditional Bachelor fan who like appreciate Ryan and I and watch from the beginning and maybe not from the beginning, but still appreciate it. because it's love, I feel like we've lost a lot of that because of the drama. I get, you know, I'm sure you do too about DMs about the show. I get DMs all the time or comments on any posts that I do related to The Bachelor

that say, you know, I don't watch since whenever because there's just so much drama. It's just all about, all about the drama, like you said, the most dramatic, whatever. And so I feel like if they could get back to just having it be about love, but then there's like, well, is that going to be too boring? I don't know. We'll have to find out like this season what's going to happen. The new era of television is definitely not what it was when the love stories propelled the audience to watch.

I get that. Right. And that's why I think this show probably is looking at this going, we have to figure out something because we have a franchise that is super valuable and has a namesake and a brand that we want to last for the next 20 years. And what we've been doing isn't working, right? The Zach Shawcross and Katie Bigger seasons that are love stories at its core didn't work, right? Love them. They're great. But people didn't tune in. They aren't following along. Those storylines are not compelling an audience to watch

like we hoped and wanted. So maybe the switchup will be what the franchise needs and desires. But it's going to be hard to top it. It's going to bring in a whole new audience. It is going those poor ladies from the nursing home

that so many of us from the Bachelor franchise would go and visit during the premiere dates and pass out roses too. these people are gone like the franchise is saying goodbye to them that makes me sad I think this is a night

no matter what this is an announcement that is pivoting the franchise in a new direction good or bad we don't know yet we don't know I'm not going to make that statement yet we don't know

but it's pivoting to having our first celebrity announce as the lead of a show and not just so celebrities somebody who is polarizing to this audience, the audience that has known the franchise, it is a switchup.

It is, it's a change. There's going to be a lot of catch-up. There's going to be a lot of searches on Google of soft swinging and what does that mean? And these 75 to 85-year-old people are going to be learning about what it means to watch your partner have sex with somebody, well, with you, with somebody watching.

right is that what this is making out no i don't think i don't think soft swinging is watching it's just being with somebody else no it is watching trista it is watching yeah you're it's watching see you're learning as we go i mean i know about soaking but i don't know about soft swinging i thought it was just you were allowed it was like an over open relationship agreement where you could cheat on your partner, not cheat on your partner, but you both agree that you could go have relations with somebody else. I thought it was like you just couldn't have sex, was the soft swinging part. I didn't know that soft swinging meant you were watching.

Somebody could watch. You're still with your partner. Okay. You're still with your partner, but somebody else can watch you. Oh, Lord. Do you know what's swinging? Or do you know what? Do you know what soaking is?

Yes, I do. I'd love to try to explain that to the audience. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect.

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This is a pivot. This is a whole new. world for us to get behind. I'm telling you, though, there's a level to me when, like, I think my wife is going to watch. I think millions are going to watch. I think they're going to view it. They're going to be entertained by it. I think ultimately, my stance in the show doesn't change. I hope she finds everlasting love from this. Whatever agreement they have and whatever dance they have in their relationship is not mine to interfere with. Totally. I can be confirmed. confused by it. I can be entertained by it. I can be intrigued by it. I can Google as much as I want

about what in the world these terms mean and why they invest into them. But ultimately, I can still root for Taylor Frankie Paul to find everlasting love from this show. Yes. And in the meantime, if it blows up on the way, so be it. Yeah. I'm wondering about the guys. because, like, who is going to be cast as her crew of men, you know? And, like, are they going to, like, swinging is going to come up in the conversations that are had on the show. You know what I mean? It's going to be a conversation. So are, like, there are going to be guys on there that, like, want to participate with other guys on the show?

Like, is that going to be a thing that happens? Like, you know? Who knows? It could be the starting point to enter us into a whole new world of The Bachelor. I want to hear the conversations. I want to hear the agreements. One thing we know about the Bachelor franchise is they love to overdo a storyline. And so we know that this is going to be an overdone storyline throughout the season.

There's going to be jokes. There's going to be her promo video is going to be outrageous. Oh gosh, right. Yeah. It's going to be so overdone to the point. that we as an audience become almost I'm in I don't know whatever the month is that this airs I'm wondering if I'll become desensitized to this right now it's shocking to me it's late yeah but it's shocking in a lot of ways I wonder in a few months after this season's done if I'm

going to become desensitized you are to the shock of these storylines which will be you are because we all will we always do It's because, yeah, you're right. You're so right. And you know what? Like this storyline, like you said, it's behind closed doors. It's what they decided as a couple, whatever. That's their relationship.

That's their life. And I fully, fully support her. I believe everyone deserves love. And, you know, I'm here for it. I'm here to support her as I do all of the Bachelorette leads. But I'm just really interested to see how show. be, like, not accepted, how she'll be portrayed and how people will think of her and what goes down. I mean, we're all going to be talking about it around the water cooler. That is for sure.

Hopefully, the show brings in millions of new viewers and we have another 10-year run on the almost famous podcast because goodness gracious, it keeps the lights on in my house. And I am thankful for that, no matter what's happening behind the scenes. As long as this thing exists, I'm a happy boy. The Bachelorette is rumored right now. We don't have a clear date, but it's rumored to be airing, premiering early 2026. That's kind of our guesses.

So let's just keep it easy. Somewhere in the first six months of 2026, The Bachelorette with Taylor Frankie Paul as the lead will be premiering on ABC. Trista, thanks for jumping on so late tonight. Again, we have a big announcement from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the lead, the mom talker,

the one that brings the headlines out, Taylor Frankie Paul is our next bachelorette. I'm excited to meet her. I've a lot to learn along the way, but I won't hold anything back and saying, I am surprised, I am shocked, I am very curious about not just this season, but where the franchise goes from here.

Is this the new? thing, Trista, where celebrities become our leads, influencers become our leads for this franchise for the next how many years. I'm curious. It seems to be what the show's needing and wanting and desiring. And again, as long as they get viewers, we still exist. And I'm here for that. Trista, until next time, this has been the almost famous podcast. I've been Ben. I've been Trista. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcasts on IHartRadio, or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor.

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